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TMCP Ep 27: Can Emmanuel Jr. Carry On the Pacquiao Legacy? · The Mixed Company Podcast

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  Speaker 1: In this corner, standing at six foot five weight class unknowns,
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  Speaker 1: but hailing from the city of Sins. Put your hands
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  Speaker 1: together for Jamison. Well and in this then it at
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  Speaker 1: five foot ten, weighing in at town and coming to
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  Speaker 1: us from his super secret bunker with no ac in Tucson, Arizona.
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  Speaker 2: Put your hands together for Luis Montemo. Thank you. Welcome
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  Speaker 2: back to another episode of the Mixed Company Podcast. Of course,
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  Speaker 2: I'm one half of the show, Jamison, and as always
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  Speaker 2: I'm joined by Luise and together we bring you Mixed
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  Speaker 2: Company Podcasts. Luise, it's gonna minute, man. How's everything going,
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  Speaker 2: What's new? All that good stuff?
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  Speaker 3: Man, Jamison, I'm so glad to be here recording on
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  Speaker 3: our first show of October, officially the start of spooky season,
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  Speaker 3: my favorite time of the year. Are you a fan
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  Speaker 3: of Halloween, horror movies, all that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I am not a Halloween person. I don't mind scary movies.
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  Speaker 2: I don't really get scared a lot, but I don't
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  Speaker 2: mind it. But I'm not a Halloween person. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: a costume person or anything like that. So I joined
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  Speaker 2: from a farm, just not like the Oh, let's go
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  Speaker 2: to Halloween part of Honta houses not quite my thing,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm here in spirit though.
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  Speaker 3: Perfect to be here in spirit for Halloween. Yeah No,
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  Speaker 3: I love scary movies. That's honestly my favorite part is
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  Speaker 3: all the decorations and stuff. I don't get dressed up either,
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  Speaker 3: you know, when I do go out, I just wear
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  Speaker 3: a suit. But I just love the vibe. I love
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  Speaker 3: the ambiance. I love the creativity and costumes. I was
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  Speaker 3: still one of my favorite costumes from back when I
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  Speaker 3: was in college. It was a bunch of fret guys.
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  Speaker 3: One guy there was like eight guys dressed like chickens
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  Speaker 3: and one guy up front dress like Colonel Sanders rolling
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  Speaker 3: in a group, and that was really cool. I geesuz word,
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  Speaker 3: didn't I go to college. I went to college at
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  Speaker 3: ASU in Tempe, Pima Community College in Tucson, University of Arizona,
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  Speaker 3: and Tucson just to get a worthless political science degree.
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  Speaker 2: Howse ASU ASU was?
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  Speaker 3: How about this I had? I would have had a
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  Speaker 3: lot more fun if I were of age and had
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  Speaker 3: any friends. I yeah, I moved from Texas to Arizona
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  Speaker 3: and didn't know anybody, and I feel like I kind
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  Speaker 3: of missed out on a lot of the college experience.
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  Speaker 3: Plus I had to work my way through college, so
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  Speaker 3: I didn't have a lot of free time.
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  Speaker 2: So going to school for the same same that similar
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  Speaker 2: story about Vegas, so I understand.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but no, I mean, I think when I moved
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  Speaker 3: to Tucson, I ended up making more friends, getting out more,
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  Speaker 3: ended up meeting our producer Jabari Davis when I was
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  Speaker 3: twenty one. So let's just say he and I had
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  Speaker 3: a great time in my early twenties in his mid twenties,
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  Speaker 3: so you know, I didn't I didn't need the college
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  Speaker 3: scene to have fun. I guess if that's if you
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  Speaker 3: get my drift. Fair enough, fair enough, But anyway, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: let's got a lot to talk about today, so let's
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  Speaker 3: dive right in. We usually get to the news first,
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  Speaker 3: so let me flip through the Boxing Gazette, which is
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  Speaker 3: the finest news source in the boxing world. This issue, well,
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  Speaker 3: a lot to Delightful Smoke Shop. You know, the show's
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  Speaker 3: getting some attention. I think once I was the only
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  Speaker 3: guy pretty much in boxing media to say that Bud
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  Speaker 3: Crawford was going to win that Canelo fight. I think
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  Speaker 3: people are starting to perk their ears up.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, I hope so, I hope. So we got sponsors.
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  Speaker 2: Now we moved on up. But no, that's that's cool.
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  Speaker 2: And uh, honestly, like looking back at the you were
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  Speaker 2: spot on on Canelo in terms of the slow decline
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  Speaker 2: of Canelo. You the way you described him. Looking back
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  Speaker 2: on it, I'm surprised we didn't. We were not more
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  Speaker 2: adamant about Crawford winning that far. I think we were
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  Speaker 2: shocked that he were on decision. I think that was
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  Speaker 2: the biggest thing because of hell, the fight, the cars,
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  Speaker 2: so I mean going around eleven and tied, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and it wasn't time like it wasn't. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: looking back on its like, hey, you were really spot
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  Speaker 2: on on the clon because most people don't understand boxers
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  Speaker 2: decline and they're still winning. The only time you mentioned
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  Speaker 2: a box of clients that I get knocked out or
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  Speaker 2: they're getting blown out in fights. Well, you're still winning.
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  Speaker 2: You're winning pretty impressively. The common person doesn't understand the
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  Speaker 2: slippage of a boxer until they get exposed, and that
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  Speaker 2: didn't happen until last month. So no, you were you
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  Speaker 2: were definitely spot on about that.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, and but also let's not forget but the episode
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  Speaker 3: before that fight, I straight up said, uh, Bud craft
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  Speaker 3: for by decision, so and a lot of people were
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  Speaker 3: giving it to Canelo, you know, I Uh, I to
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  Speaker 3: be fair, I went back and forth for months, months
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  Speaker 3: and months, but really when it came down to it,
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  Speaker 3: I put my chips on butt and uh, you know
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  Speaker 3: I was right. And speaking of which, I actually wanted
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  Speaker 3: to start this segment at him because Bud Crawford's coach,
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  Speaker 3: Bernie Davis said that Bud will return for the ring
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  Speaker 3: only if he gets offered one hundred million dollar payday.
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  Speaker 3: So uh, supposedly he wants everyone to fight for Undisputed
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  Speaker 3: at one sixty and then Bud would take that fight.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we've praised the man a lot. You know,
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  Speaker 3: we've said that he's underrated, hasn't gotten the respect he deserves,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm sure he got a really big payday from
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  Speaker 3: this Canelo fight well earned. Do we think he could
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  Speaker 3: pull off another one hundred million dollar payday on his
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  Speaker 3: next fight? I don't think so, you tell me so.
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  Speaker 2: Only way he could get one hundred million on the
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  Speaker 2: next five there's no there's one hundred million dollar fight
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  Speaker 2: out there, like that's the thing you even have to anything.
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  Speaker 2: I don't really want to see that fight happening in
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  Speaker 2: but they ran it back on watching. So if he
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  Speaker 2: wants to make a hundred million, which I understand the member,
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  Speaker 2: Bud's getting up there in age. So with that being said,
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  Speaker 2: there's not a whole lot more fights left. This last
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  Speaker 2: petday was very good. He's probably set for life. I
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  Speaker 2: think got fifty plus with this fight. Normally, even with
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  Speaker 2: the kids, are all by one woman, except for this
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  Speaker 2: last one that kind of came out the blue. No
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  Speaker 2: judgment here. He should be set for life getting another
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  Speaker 2: one hundred I understand it. Get it while you can,
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  Speaker 2: because I don't know who else he could fight to
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  Speaker 2: get that kind of money, Like, there's no one else
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  Speaker 2: out there outside of Canelos. So I'm cool for running
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  Speaker 2: it back in May. I'm all. I mean, I get it,
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  Speaker 2: but there's no one hundred million dollar fight, there's no
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  Speaker 2: there's no boots, there's no there's no one. There's no
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  Speaker 2: there's no one who went to sixty. There's no one
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  Speaker 2: who won sixty he can fight. No, there's no draw.
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  Speaker 2: There's just no there's no one that brings the casual
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  Speaker 2: boxing fan out at one sixty. The even getting we're close,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, getting fifty million is is a tall task.
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  Speaker 2: One hundred million, all right, thinking all the fights that
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  Speaker 2: have drawn one hundred million over the last twenty years,
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  Speaker 2: Floyd and packet out, Floyd McGregor, Canello and Triple G
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  Speaker 2: didn't knew those numbers. They didn't get over they knew this,
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  Speaker 2: and then of course this pass fight those aren't. You
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  Speaker 2: gotta have two superstars you got You can't have once
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  Speaker 2: of a star and a boxing guy don't work there.
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  Speaker 2: You got to have two people to where their whole
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  Speaker 2: country is talking about the fight, not just sports fans.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, there's no way, Yeah, no, hell no, there's
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  Speaker 2: no way. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean his trainer was, you know, as as coach,
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  Speaker 3: not but himself. But he's saying, well, but it doesn't
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  Speaker 3: really have anything else to prove. If he's gonna come back,
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  Speaker 3: it's got to be for that size of pay day.
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  Speaker 3: So the implication there is Bud's ready to go. You know,
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  Speaker 3: he's ready to dip, and you know, I how would
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  Speaker 3: you feel about that? I think, yeah, his legacy is security,
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  Speaker 3: is undefeated. You know, he beat the face of boxing
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  Speaker 3: in a very very clear way. It wasn't one of
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  Speaker 3: those like, well, you know, he could have He probably
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  Speaker 3: got to give decision or whatever people say. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: if he does decide to bail, you know, how do
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  Speaker 3: we feel about it?
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  Speaker 2: He's not bailing. But at the same time, but has
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  Speaker 2: never been the A side of a big fight, even
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  Speaker 2: the fight versus Spence, even though he was a better
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  Speaker 2: boxer and he was a more healthier fighter, for sure,
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  Speaker 2: he was not the A side going into it. Spence's
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  Speaker 2: name and brand was bigger. Now, better boxer, pulled different conversation,
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  Speaker 2: But the brand what sold the fight, Who made the fight?
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  Speaker 2: Who got to make a percentage? That was Spence obviously
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  Speaker 2: going to this fight. Canelo got the bigger the percentage
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  Speaker 2: of the pot. He was the A side. Crawford has
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  Speaker 2: not been the A side of a mega fight. The
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  Speaker 2: next fight he fights, he will be, even if him
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  Speaker 2: and Canalo do a fifty to fifty split. It would
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  Speaker 2: be both and they're both interests best interests to do
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  Speaker 2: something like that. But if he wants to make a
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  Speaker 2: bigger money, he has to run the Canalo thing back.
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  Speaker 3: That's the only way, right, I mean, he if I
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  Speaker 3: don't think. I don't want him to retire, but I
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  Speaker 3: don't think he will because what I said said after
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  Speaker 3: the Mega fight was that his cache is higher than ever.
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  Speaker 3: You know, so many more people know his name, No,
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  Speaker 3: his skills more than anything. You can know his name,
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  Speaker 3: but you might not have known. You know, what he
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  Speaker 3: looks like in the ring. Very impressive performance. So I
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  Speaker 3: know I can't see him not taking this cachet out
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  Speaker 3: for a spin and see what it can do. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: not one hundred ms. There's still way. But I was
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  Speaker 3: just I was interested in why his coach brought that
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  Speaker 3: up and said, that's the condition.
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you why. I'm gonna tell you why, because look,
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  Speaker 2: everybody made the biggest bag they ever made a month ago.
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  Speaker 2: That's why everybody, whatever check they got or whatever agreement
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  Speaker 2: they had from the trainers to the corner to the
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  Speaker 2: doctors and the trip, whoever's on payroll, had a very
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  Speaker 2: very great day that Monday when the check cleared. So
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  Speaker 2: that's why everybody saw it one hundred million because they
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  Speaker 2: want want more, because they also know what it is. Now.
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  Speaker 2: I don't get people's finances, but but those are simple life.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't see him going broke. All these other people, Hell,
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  Speaker 2: they can get one more b they pay, they they
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  Speaker 2: gonna take it too. If they can get a six
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  Speaker 2: figure check in their name, they gonna go at it.
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  Speaker 2: So I get it. I understand one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 3: So I agree with you. Yeah, I totally agree with that.
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  Speaker 3: I guess you're right. I mean, you get it, you
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  Speaker 3: get a little taste, and you're like, damn, I want
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  Speaker 3: some more.
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  Speaker 2: Like I'll do one better. I know someone who's involved
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  Speaker 2: in TAYSI Furies Camp. I can't go out of his name,
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  Speaker 2: but he's involved in some way, shape and form. The
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  Speaker 2: amount of money he was getting paid just to be
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  Speaker 2: a part of the camp was enough to basically chill
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  Speaker 2: for like several years if he chose to do so.
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  Speaker 2: So that's why you hear people be like, hey, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we got one more in this, We got we got
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  Speaker 2: a nothing one in this because the money's too big.
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  Speaker 2: And here's the thing. You don't know what the future holds,
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  Speaker 2: so you don't know what fights might be out there
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  Speaker 2: or how long you will be in demand. Because, like
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  Speaker 2: we talked about when we first started the show, the
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  Speaker 2: reason why this fight took place is because you can't
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  Speaker 2: keep on threat all this Firelessentrones matchup, this matchup in
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  Speaker 2: it never working out because people lose interest. Sometimes the
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  Speaker 2: money just isn't there all the time. So that's why
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  Speaker 2: you got to strike while the iron's hot. And that's
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  Speaker 2: why it would not surprise me if we were to
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  Speaker 2: see a rematch, even though I don't think we see
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  Speaker 2: a different outcome, but just the monetary wise, I don't
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  Speaker 2: think either fighter can do anything more to get anywhere
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  Speaker 2: near They just left and there's another opportunity to get that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't see why not.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I went on record as saying I do want
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  Speaker 3: him to run it back. You know, just it is
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  Speaker 3: a bit like I said, Chasing the Dragon, you know,
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  Speaker 3: one that feeling that excitement. It's not gonna be the same,
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  Speaker 3: but you know it's still people are still going to
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  Speaker 3: be excited for a rematch. But again, based on what's
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  Speaker 3: been said that Budd said he wants to go down
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  Speaker 3: to one sixty. You know, it doesn't appear that that's
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  Speaker 3: the case. So I don't know. It's hard to say.
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  Speaker 3: I mean one thing, I'm going to make sure that
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  Speaker 3: we all get correct because I've seen this an article saying,
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  Speaker 3: but is the first person or only person to be
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  Speaker 3: undisputed in three weight classes. He's the first male fighter,
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  Speaker 3: the first person ever do that was the quote Clarissa Shields,
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  Speaker 3: who went to the heavyweight division earlier this year and
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  Speaker 3: became undisputed in three different weight classes. So make sure
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  Speaker 3: we give we give the quote her flowers. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's it's a big big deal for bud to. He's
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  Speaker 3: the only one of two people and does he want
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  Speaker 3: to be undisputed at one sixty and four different weight classes.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody's ever done that, and that would be that's just
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. That blows my mind.
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  Speaker 2: And my thing is, you got to compromise something. So
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  Speaker 2: if you want that, that's fine, but you're not gonna
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  Speaker 2: get the big payday that you're looking for. That's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: So you can do that, that's cool, But it ain't
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  Speaker 2: no hundred million dollar fight in that division. I don't
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  Speaker 2: I don't see it. I could be wrong, but I
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  Speaker 2: don't see another opponent that could bring in anywhere close.
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  Speaker 2: I think if Bud got twenty five million, I think
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  Speaker 2: that would be a stretch. I think that would be impressed.
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  Speaker 2: And that's not saying that's anything matchwards but at all,
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  Speaker 2: that's not I'm not here for that. I'm just saying
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  Speaker 2: what it what it takes to make a big fight
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  Speaker 2: a big draw. You got to have two name brand
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  Speaker 2: guys in that ring that people from other countries are
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  Speaker 2: tuning in and paying for and talking about. And I
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  Speaker 2: don't see that in the one sixty division. I personally
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  Speaker 2: do not agreed.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's probably his biggest gamble, or not gamble,
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  Speaker 3: just kind of what he can set his sights on
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  Speaker 3: as being the only guy that's ever been you know,
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  Speaker 3: the only person who's ever been undisputed in four weight classes,
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  Speaker 3: and that might be what he wants to go out on,
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  Speaker 3: which is cool, you know, I think he could do it.
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  Speaker 3: If anybody could never bet against Budge. It's kind of
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  Speaker 3: the it's kind of the kind of the the mantra
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  Speaker 3: around these parts on this show. That's what That's what
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  Speaker 3: everybody says. In my house. I love alone, but yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, I mean I think that that would
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  Speaker 4: be kind of his his big last hurrah if he
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  Speaker 4: wants to kind of wind down his career.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, he just turned I believe he just turned
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  Speaker 3: thirty eight when they had a big birthday celebration in
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  Speaker 3: Omaha for him. Is that what is ages now?
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  Speaker 2: Yes?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, big birthday celebration in Omaha at the end
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  Speaker 3: of September when, by the way, he was pulled over
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  Speaker 3: by some cops and got hassled for having a gun
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  Speaker 3: in the car, which Nebraska is an open carry state,
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  Speaker 3: but let's be let's be real, probably opened carry for
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  Speaker 3: only some people, just putting that out there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and also like is Tarms Crawford Omaha, Like he's
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  Speaker 2: literally the most famous person in the city.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly exactly, like what are we doing here him and
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  Speaker 3: Ernie Chambers for former state representative of my gun right right? Anyway,
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, let's I'm still very excited to see, you know,
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  Speaker 3: what happens with Buds next move and it's the world
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  Speaker 3: is oyster, so you know, really excited to see where
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  Speaker 3: what he pulls out of his hat next, because again
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  Speaker 3: mantra is don't bet against Bud all right, Next stop
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  Speaker 3: another superstar name who draws big, big crowds in big money.
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  Speaker 3: Many Pacquiao, my man has been in the conversation a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Turns out that his son, and Manuel Pacio Junior, will
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  Speaker 3: make his pro debut on his dad's new promotional company MPP. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: Many Pakia Promotion. So I'm wondering, is this okay? Tell me,
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  Speaker 3: tell me how you feel about to So for.
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  Speaker 2: The longest time, people like Manny, like everyone talks about
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  Speaker 2: Floyd money and all the other boxers getting screwed out
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  Speaker 2: of money. Bob Aaron was getting funded by Many Pakiao.
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  Speaker 2: All these years, Many Pakiao's fights were literally keeping top
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  Speaker 2: break and floats. All right, I'm glad that many Pakia's
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  Speaker 2: own promotional company. I'm glad he's doing better on the
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  Speaker 2: business side of things because there were some one of
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  Speaker 2: the biggest reasons why the Floyd fight actually happened because
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  Speaker 2: Many Pakiao was struggling financially. So I'm glad that Many
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  Speaker 2: has a business ide taken care of. Even though shouldn't
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  Speaker 2: be fighting his ageress either here nor there. Having his
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  Speaker 2: son fight is very interesting, but keeping all that in
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  Speaker 2: house is very smart. If he is gonna box, have
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  Speaker 2: it under your umbrella, and that's something that's very smart.
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  Speaker 2: It makes a lot of sense on all different accounts.
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  Speaker 2: So that's very cool to see.
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I'm I'm totally on board for many
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: having a promotional company and fighting under his own, having
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: his own umbrella. My only thing because of me, I'm
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: always wondering, is that why you came back to set
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: up your nipple baby son or you know, I mean,
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: I guess if you can, if you can set up
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: the family with with you know, your name and back
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: of why wouldn't you? But like, you know, is this
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: another Nico Ali watch situation? No?
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: So here's the thing though, in boxing, you can't really
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: do the nepotism thing because you still got to fight.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: But you can't. It's not like office job where you
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: just put somebody at CEO or at vice president. In
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: this Nah, you gotta boxing. You go do that so much.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: That's why some of the most famous boxer sons have
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: failed because boxing gotta be in you. You can't fake boxing.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: I can't want to more than you. If you don't
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: want it, you will get exposed extremely quickly. However, Manny,
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: being as powerful he is and as popular as he
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: is in the Philippines without popular is in this in
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: this country and around the world. Him having a promotion
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: company is extremely smart because there's a lot of people
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: the size of Mannipaciao that are fighters that aren't strong
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: enough to do UFC, but are quick and strong enough
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: to do boxing. That's a very, very very smart business
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: venture for him. I could see him doing very well.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, in the Philippines, he's basically the most famous
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: athlete there is, so if any boxers coming up, he
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: automatically is going to get them. There's no way he doesn't.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: So just by that, and if he's the guy that's
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: also helping with training and getting guys on the right track,
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: I think it's a no brainer. So I think it's
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: a very good thing. As long as he's nfl right reasons,
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: as long as he's trying to promote boxing and make
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: sure his boxes are ready and willing, I think it's
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: a great situation.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm sure that there's a lot of trainers
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: everybody who wants to be, you know, working with Manny
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: just because of his name, you know, his legacy, cachet,
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: et cetera. But my thing is he's still planning on
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: coming backs, he says, potentially January under MPP many promotions.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: Should he should he still keeping if this is his
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: next venture, and of course he's maybe trying to, you know,
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: settle some money issues. Does he need to keep fighting?
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: Does he need to come back?
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: I think he's better with the money now than he
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: was once upon time. I know there are some tax
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: issues well and like ten years ago, but I think
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: he's better now. With that being said, the thing about
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: the promotion company and the fighting at the same simultaneously
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: is basically, you get to keep a check. So instead
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: of paying a promotion company X amount of dollars, that
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: all goes to you under your entity. So that makes
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: a lot of sense. We saw Oscar was the originator
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: of I know, we can slam. We can talk about
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Oscar for many moons and a lot of topics and whatnot. However,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: there's two things we cannot be about Oscar. One, he
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: was a hell of a fighter in his prime and
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: he fought everyone. Secondly, business wise, he was the first
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: one to really kind of understand it. Didn't necessarily run
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: Golden Boy the best, but in terms of understanding the hey,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: I can fight and be a promoter, let me get
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: involved with this. He got that pretty early on, and
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: it made a lot of sense. Guy believed when he
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: fought Floyd, Golden Boy was the promotional company that was
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: the one promoting it. So he got the bag on
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: both ends, which is in any business venture, if you
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: could do that, you're running it. So pak y'all doing
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: that at the end here makes a lot of sense.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: But also, pak yall, for a guy that is what
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: for a lot of guys that are five to five
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty five pounds, that's the guy you're
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: gonna be like, Oh, if he's I want to be
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: under him. I want to because he did it. He
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: went from one hundred and twenty all the way up
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: to one forty seven. Hells, I think did he fight
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: at one fifty four? Uh? I know one for sure,
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: I know that. Yeah. But yeah, So those are the
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: things that as a young as a prospective fighter, I'm
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: seeing a guy that was my size and made all
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: the money he did and everything he accomplished. I'm like, oh,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: I can sign with him. It makes a lot of sense.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: But on the back end here, he's at the end
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: of his career. He's on a fight to fight basis,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: it makes a lot of sense to fight, and I'll
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: promote your own because you get so much more benefits
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: from doing so.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: Sure and say what you will about you know how
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: Oscar ran Golden Boy. Then my man crawled so that
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: you know, other fighters promoters could run. So he definitely,
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: uh definitely led the way. And here's the thing. I mean,
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: we we've never begrudged fighters, you know, trying to make
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: as much money as they can, because it's a dangerous sport.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: It's only for the young. The only time I personally
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: begrudge them is if they decided to fight Jake Paul
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: for a payday and you know, ruined their their their status.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: But that's neither here nor there. No, I mean, I
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: I wonder My thing is this, if, yes, if you
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: can be a promoter and have a lot of guys
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: that look up to you and want to be under you,
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: you don't really need the fight. I mean, I just
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: worry that, you know, he's gonna he looked, he looked good.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: And we worry about guys getting high on their own supply,
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: like we said before, and not what that's happened many,
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: not at all. You know, Well, he.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Can't get more embarrassed when happened back, you know, there's
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: nothing more he can do. There's nothing, there's nothing else
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: that could happen worse than the J M M four fight.
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: What what happened to that fight? Jameson If you don't,
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: I don't remember this man. We knew that fight wasn't
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: going a distance. Both guys were going that fight was
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: going to hell one or another and one guy through
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: a check that missed and the other guy.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: I didn't miss n night and that was it. And
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: we've never nothing that ever been the same, so as
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: our producers as but which to back you out looking
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: like so, yes, yes, that's what. So there's nothing else
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: that could replace that. There's nothing else that can be
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: as embarrassing in the ring altside of getting knocked out
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: of the ring. There's nothing else that many can do
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: in the ring that can be more embarrassing than that.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: In my opinion, that's fair, that's fair to We've said
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: it before and I'm gonna say it every time. When
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: that clip comes up, all I hear in my head
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: is he's not getting up, Jim. He's not getting up,
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: getting up Jim. You know know, Hey, and you would
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: no shade. But man, you know, he he had an
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: amazing careers have to say that it destroyed his legacy.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: He's not you know, I.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Thought he was about to put jam on his back.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Like That's the thing. That's the that's the funniest thing
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: about boxing that is so great is that at any moment,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: the whole for chicken change like that. There's no there's
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: no one of reason. It's just boxing. And the way
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: that the way the fight was going, they both had
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: in their minds that they were willing to go all
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: out for whatever's gonna happen. And yes, the names are funny,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: the clips are funny and all that, but both boxes
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: were okay with if we if I gotta go, I
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: gotta go. But I'm on my best foot forward And yeah,
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: that was a class night.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's what I've always said. I mean, there's no shame.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: You go in the ring, you give it your roll,
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: you know. And Els and Ellen, I said, Manny's career
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: didn't end like the series finale of Dexter, where you know,
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: it ruined everything that came before. I hate that show.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Anyway.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: Uh great, Well, you know, let's I'm excited to see,
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: we're still wondering if Manny's officially going to uh fight
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: Roly Romero in January. That's what it's looking like, but uh,
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: you know, no official word yet.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: But you know, also like that he's because Roly right
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: now is known as the as the card filler guy,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Like he's a guy that you put in there when
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: a guy's getting ready for the next big fight. He's
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: not the big fight yet. But if he beats Pack yeall,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: even though Pack Yeah alls old, it's a good opportunity
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: for him because he needs it. He needs a like
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: la Ron and Garcia one was whatever, I don't really whatever.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: He beats Pakia, it's a good look for his resume
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: and his situation because then he can get a co
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: feature event being part of the car and I see
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: it happening.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't feel that beating Pacio gets you know. Well,
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: of course, some of course some boxing fans are going
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: to be like, oh, you beat up in an old man,
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: you're not good blah. But I think Paccio, for most people,
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: especially the way you look coming back last fight, that's
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: still a big, big deal. Doesn't matter that he's an
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: old man now. Uh, you know, he's beating pacya still
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: is going to carry a lot of weight for.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: A lot of a lot of cash, a lot of cash.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely, So let's see what happens, uh, you know,
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: in the beginning of next year. So next up, what
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: we got here, our boy Dana White, his ZUFA Boxing
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: has signed a deal with Paramount Plus, where the UFC
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: was already going. Kind of no brainer for him. You know,
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: he already said he'd been trying to get into boxing.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: He was trying to start the y zoofa boxing back.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: I think it was the McGregor Mayweather fight. I don't
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: remember he talked about it. Yeah, nothing came out of it.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Now Canella Crawford's officially in the boxing scene. You know,
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: I think I don't have a lot to say about
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: being and White in general right now, because I think
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: we have material for a full episode, you know, very
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: very soon. About enrolled in boxing, Well that's gonna look
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: like But yeah, I mean, at the end of the day,
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: I've always said I love watching fights. I'll put on,
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: you know, any random boxer because I just love the
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: sport so much. If you know, Dana WIT's involved, not
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: my favorite, but whatever, you know, I just want more
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: fights accessible, easily accessible at any given time. So how
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: do you feel about Dana White bringing that into paramount
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: alongside DFC.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: So I think Dana White means well, I actually do.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: I think he means well. I think he actually wants
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: to put on as many fights as possible. He's tried
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: with the Slap Box, with the Slap League, He's tried
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: with I think Baring of the Bob, He's tried a
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: lot of different things, So I think he means well.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: I don't think his intentions are bad. I think he's
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: he wants to put as many matches on as possible.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: The one thing I will give the UFC credit for,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: even though it's not my particular cup of tea, and
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: that there's a lot of fights and a lot of
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: the guys are fighting a lot of the guys, which
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: is really good. What you want your sport to have
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: is dudes fighting dudes, or the contend to fight contenders.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: You don't want cherry picking, you don't want random stuff.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: You want guys fighting guys, and he gets after UFC.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: But also they fight pretty consistently, and that's something that
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Box has had to issue with. So having a home
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: and you can put fights on that's pretty what somewhat accessible.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: I think there's a huge win. And also he's in
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: he's in partnership and collaboration with Turkey and all the
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: other powers that beat So I think it's a good thing.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: We'll see how it all pans out, because one thing
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: getting the deal done is another thing fulfilling whatever's acts
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: of the deal. That's what I'm curious about. What once
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: the Once the deal is in action, then what is
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: the What do you need to do to market those flights?
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: How of the fights can we market it? That's where
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: I'm at because getting a deal done for contents not
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: the biggest thing in the world, But how do they
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: market it? How do we sell unknown fighters to the public?
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: And those are all things I'm kind of curious on.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: But like for right now, I'm like you waiting ce Mode.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: But it's a good I think it's a good thing
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: because boxing doesn't didn't have home up until this, So
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: that's a good thing, right. My only thing that kind
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: of and it could be a minded complaint. It's not
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: even a complaint. It's more just like a bummer of it.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: It's just that the big news was UFC huge multi
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: billion dollar deal with Paramount Plus, and I guess we'll
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: add boxing into the mix. It's like a little bonus,
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: you know. It's like get a little toy at the
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: bottom of the cereal box kind of a thing. And
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: I don't know, it just kind of makes it buzz
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: me out that boxing is boxing's you know, status is
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: just so so lowered next to UFC.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: If CBS can put on the Big Three Basketball on weekends,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: they can put on boxing on the weekends. And that's
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: no disrespect to any of the former NBA players and
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: basketball players that are playing in that league. But you
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: can have boxing on the weekends in them time plots
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: as well in the summer. So I think there's an
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: avenue in a way to make things work. But a
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: couple of things boxers gotta do. They part. The boxers
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: are not doing a good enough part of marketing themselves.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: It's one thing to win in the ring, but these
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: guys are kind of boring now. And I mean, I
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: don't want you being Adrian Browner. I don't want you
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: to be in that. But we don't have nobody being exciting.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: There's there's no there's not a whole lot of energy.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: We're we're missing that. Now. There's a couple of guys
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: that have some, but we're missing a lot of umph
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: as a lot of our boxes, and we need somebody
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: that people want to see right now. Just feel like
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: guys are all about making a bag and then disappearing.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: We need guys that want the limelight, that are that
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: bring energy to a table. And until that happen, we're
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: gonna have keep on having the same discussions.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: Sure, and I think I feel this is my opinion.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: I think there are a lot of guys out there
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: that are just not as many avenues.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: We've talked before about how you know, we don't see
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: the guys that are seven or no at three pm
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: on cards. You know, the way to see that most
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: recently was a fight on ESPN, But you sign up
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: for ESPN plus the stream the early stuff, and now
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: that's gone. So you know, I we talked last episode
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: about you know, guys on overtime boxing. You know, sure
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: it's broadcast on his own. You know, they seem to
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: have some a very good production, but you know, the
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: regular lay person doesn't know about that. I had to
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: find them through Instagram randomly. They even got a good
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: online social media presence. They just to do a lot
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: of memes, a lot of funny videos, all that stuff.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: They're good at what they do. And when the fighters
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: that I saw a few weeks ago, you know, they're hungry,
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: they look like killers. You know, they were tough, they
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: were exciting. But you got to tell people find overtime
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: on YouTube streaming, you know whatever, if you have the zone,
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: find that if you if you do have that, you know,
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: find over time. Blah blah blah. So I think it's
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: just it's just the ability to get access to things
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: now that that's really hurting the up and coming guys.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: I think. I think there's a lot of dudes who
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: and ladies who could make it big. They're just kind
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: of doing their best on TikTok and Instagram, you know.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: And that's that's great, that's used. That's that's necessary. But
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: that that does not a superstar make unless you're you know,
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: a singer, like a musician who who has something go viral.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Right, No, I agree hundred percent. And as we need more,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: we need more stars and need guys fight more. But
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: being on Paramount Plus, which is a CBS app in
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: a sense, is the start, but we need guys that
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: are allowed, like we need productive loud, not unknowing loud,
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: but we need productive loud or where people know who
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: you are, but you're respectful be loud. So hopefully that
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: comes up soon and later. But anything that puts more
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: fights on.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: TV on for a great I mean, you know, I'm
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: not a big fan of Dana White and his way
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: of doing business. And like I said, we can talk
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: about more about that in a future episode. But at
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: the end of the day, you know, we're dealing with it.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: We were dealing with talking about a sport that we love.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: We're working class guys doing this working class podcast about
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: this this sport that we're super passionate about. But this
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: is not something that you know, this is sport with
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: money from the Saudis, from people that have been screwing
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: over fighters for a long time, not the best people.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: I mean, we're kind of there's no like, I don't know,
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: like a small batch, you know, locally owned boxing promotion
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: that we can build up. It's always going to be
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: somebody is attached to it that's not a great guy,
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: doesn't have a great history, and it sucks. You know,
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: we're living in a world where ten thousand brands are
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: owned by three or four corporations, and Boxing is not
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: immune to that. Nothing is immune to that anymore, you know.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: And this is all their fault too, that's the thing.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: It's got all been avoided. We've had a lack of
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: organization at the top for a very long time. For
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: the longest time, the biggest promotion companies were in beef
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: with each other instead of in collaboration with each other.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: If the heads at the top could have all came
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: together and said, hey, this is how we're going to
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: do businesses, how we're going to do things, it would
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: have been we've been a lot better off, a whole
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: lot better off. But there was so much infighting. There
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: was so much beef, There was so much distraction amongst
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: other things. And here we are because UFC, so they're credit.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: They don't have those issues at the top. There's not
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: a lot of dissension. They got other issues, but their
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: issues aren't about the organization and the structure. Boxing lacks
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: structure because it felt like one promotion company did this thing,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: one one did that thing, other ones below it did
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: their own thing, and no one was on the same page,
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: which it all ended up Heart of the Sports basically
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: a thousand different paper cuts which ended to what we
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: have now. So hopefully it gets better, but we still
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: have some holes to film, sure.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: And it's the thing that I like the idea of
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: in boxing is, yeah, there's a lot of different promotional companies,
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: a lot of guys coming in like Oscar doing this
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: where yeah, they should have been collaborating more and kind
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: of lifting up the industry so that they're The thing
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: I don't like so much is you know about UFC
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: as this one guy at the top, what he says
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: goes and it kind of every fighter has to fall
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: in light. You know, there's a lot of opportunities to
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: make a name Canelo. Guys that Canelo can choose their
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: own fighters or choose their opponents rather you end up
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: with a big fight changes the life, like but Crawford type,
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: he can write his own ticket. You know, that's the
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: thing that boxing had always had that UFC doesn't right now,
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: and it's looking like boxing is having that opportunity less
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: and less. But again, we can just go back to
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: the same conversation of it's because guys aren't fighting enough
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: and aren't making a name for themselves. So it's like
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: it's a chicken or the egg thing. You know, are
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: you are you not able to make a name for
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: yourself because you're not fighting as often? Or do you
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: have less opportunities to get your name out there because
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: there's places to find boxing? I mean, my god, uh
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: you know we're here, were still and I'm gonna say
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: it every damn episode until it happens. Where the hell
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: is Top Rank box is gonna be shown? God damn yeah.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: And that's the thing. Also, who takes over for Bob
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Aaron once his time comes? Why there's no successor why
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: you know we talk about Golden Boy and uh PBC
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: and all these other companies, but what happens with Top
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Rank and Bob Aram after his day comes?
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah? What in the.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: Is he his?
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: They always you know, make a big deal about his
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: birthday like he's over ninety now right right around there?
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah him and yeah, yeah.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: Here's here's my prediction on Bob Aaron is that nobody's
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: making uh, nobody's playing plans for the future because folks
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: like that just kind of I don't know, if they
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: money makes you assume they're going to be around forever.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: Maybe Bob Aaron really believes that he's going to be
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: two hundred years old, and they don't think about the future.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. That's true.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: Binds me of Batman when the Joker shoots at Card
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: and says, think about the future. Oh wow, and none
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: of these people. I just thought that. I just rewatched
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: that a couple of weeks ago, so I hear that
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: in my head. But no, I honestly, like, honestly speaking,
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: you know, I think a lot of people at the top,
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: including our politicians, you know, not to get too too
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: into that. People just kind of sit there and ride
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: the way because they got this history legacy and they
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: don't think about who's going to take over once, you know,
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: our ninety year olds are up and gone. So true anyway, Okay,
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: let's see next up. We got here, all right. Millions
• 35:34
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• 35:37
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• 35:41
  Speaker 3: have me on even back when I didn't know what
• 35:43
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• 35:50
  Speaker 3: were on there, and they're actually having a pay per
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: view event on October eighteenth, featuring Danny Garcia. He's winding
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: down his career. It's the promotions says that he's saying
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: goodbye to Brooklyn Denny. Garcia has been very inactive in
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: the last like five years, only fought a handful of times.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: You know, Bip, just want to see how you feel
• 36:10
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• 36:13
  Speaker 2: It's very interesting. You know, Danny Garcia had a hell
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: of a career for what his skill set and his
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: overall talents are like, you know, for how he came
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: up his big breakthrough versus American and where he took
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: that and rode with it. Hell of a career. I
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: don't know if he's a boxing Hall of Famer. I
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: don't know if it's that kind of career, but he's
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: predamn good. Like he's very very good. But yeah, hell
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: of a hell career, a lot of good fights, a
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: lot of big fights. He's also a guy that made
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: a lot of money. When you make a lot of money,
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: you're not as active like He's probably one of the
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: poster children for hey, I made a lot of money.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: I used to fight a couple of times a year,
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: and not only fighting once over eighteen months, which hey,
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: I get it. And also here's the thing too, I
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: don't know how his body's reacting to fights, so his
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: body made take six want us to recover, I don't
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Those are questions I don't know. I'd love to talk
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: to him about those things, because it's interesting when guys
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: are trying to make their name, they're more active, but
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: once he hit to a certain age, they may take
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: more time to recover. So those are all things we
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: have to kind of factor in as well. But at
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: the same time, he made a lot of good money
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: under PBC. He was had a lot. He was headlining
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: a lot of those East Coast fights, whether they're in
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Brooklyn or Masis Square Garden, Philly. He was headlining a
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: lot of those big, big fight weekends on PVC, was
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: pumping money into the sport. So I know he did
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: well financially, did very well in the ring as well.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: But yeah, very very good fighter. It's funny how I
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: think it was twenty twelve when he fought con and
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: then thirteen years later he's at the other end of
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: his career. It all makes sense. But it's time, you know,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: it's we We're so accustomed to the Floyds and the
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: Crawfords and the Pacialls fighting so long. The normal time
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: for a Boxtions once the mid thirties come around, that's
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: pretty much about it. Like that's it. That's normally a career,
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: which what's just fine.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, once the mid thirties come around for us,
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: just as regular dudes, you know, our knees don't work
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: the same. You know. I still remember when our producer
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: Jubarie Davis, who's old as hell, like way older than us,
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: like he's ancient, probably like in his mid forties, he
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: told me, when you know what, recovery time is gonna double,
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: And man, was he right. It's not like I didn't
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: believe him, but you believe it, but you don't really
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: understand it until it happens, you know. And I'm talking
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: about recovery time for the gym, for hangovers, for anything,
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: you know, for a long night, oh everything, everything. So
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: you know, yeah, it's got just my admiration for these
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: guys who are still fighting mid thirties but canelo you know,
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: close to forty. It's it's just amazing the fact what
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: they can do. And you know, I really think I
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: think and I'll include myself because I'm a snarky little
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: bit sometimes. You know, we can kind of clown fighters
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: for not looking as good in the ring as they
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: get older, maybe you getting dropped this and that. But
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: at the end of the day, no matter what, I
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: still respect the hell out of anybody that gets in
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: that ring period, you know. Yeah, And you can't just
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: do it. You know, you don't see guys whether they're
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: you know, over the hill, whether their skills are kind
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: of diminished over the years. I don't know. You still
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: don't see guys coming in there like fat, hungover, you know,
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: into that ring. They're still training as hard as they can.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, you know, I I think it's
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: cool that Danny Garcia wants to cap his career with
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: a big fight on this platform. Do I think it's necessary.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, you can't just kind of like say thanks
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: for the memories and walk off. You know, we don't
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: want anybody to get hurt. I just hope that, you know,
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: at the end of the day, it comes back to
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: hope guys aren't too high on their own supply to
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: get like really injured because it's a big deal and
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: being as inactive I don't know that life, of course,
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: you know, but I can't imagine that no matter how
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: hard you work out in the gym for two years,
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: being out of the ring makes a big difference. It's
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: not the same thing, you know what I mean, Like,
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: if you're not at the rink twice a year, I
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: feel like he can't can't possibly be the same thing.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: I don't care if you're working out seven days a week,
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: you know, four hours a day.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: I three hundred percent with you. That's something where it's
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: a tall task. Man, it's a very tall task. With
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: that being said, he's had a hell of a career
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: from before the con fight to now. Man, Yeah, it's
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: a hell of a ride for a guy that done.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: He has a great left hook, but when you look
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: at him, he's not like an overly he's not like
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: a big power guy. He's not an overly fast guy.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: But he's a hell of a boxer for what his
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: skill said. Oh and it actually is so nah, kudos
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: to him from being ended on his terms, not getting retired.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: You know, some guys get retired. He's going on his terms.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: That's that's pretty cool.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: And you know, on that note, since we're bringing up
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: a mere con you know, he also can be sort
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: of a punchline and uh, you know, it does kind
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: of suck that you're on every single Canelo fight reel
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: is getting slept or sorry, that's up. His eyes were
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: open when he hit that canvas.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: I was actually at that fight, and yeah, yeah, I
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: was at that fight. And yeah, the thing is, it's
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: like any boxing fight, you can kind of tell, all right,
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: the favorites about to close the show. Here he's just
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: timing everything. He's timing everything, and then once it happened,
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: it was like, oh, yeah, this is over. But yeah, yeah,
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Kn's defense and lack of a jaw pause is man
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: one of the biggest wit IFFs because if he would
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: have had any kind of defense and if he was
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: able to the funniest thing about the con the con
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Garcia fight is this, if he wins that fight, he
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: fights Floyd. At the time, that's what people wanted to see.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: That was in big demand. Con had the people from overseas,
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: a huge fan base overseas, another big money fight. But
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: when that didn't happen, he never really recovered from that.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: And yeah, the Canelo fight was what it was, and
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: then that was all she wrote.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: Sure, and that all of that is true and fair.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: What I was actually getting on is that, you know
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: a Mirka still deserve respect. You know he I just
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: looked it up. Thirty four wins, six losses. You know,
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: he's had a good career and you know he's he's
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: a big name in British boxing, the pick name in
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: in uh Southeast Asian boxing. You know, the man, like
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: I said, deserve respect, and yeah, like I still kind
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: of like it's more just like, let's say this if
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: I got my ass kicked on even just like somebody
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: like filming it out on the street and putting it
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: on Instagram, And that just kept coming up over and
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: over and over, you know, every every every twice a year,
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: you know, they show a little highlight of me getting
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: my ass slept and put down on the sidewalk. That
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: would suck. That's gonna suck, you know that that and
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: you know that is an amazing knockout from Canelo when
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: when con hit the hit the canvas, so he.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Knocked the hell out. That's the issue. That's a knockout,
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: so white.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but what was that? What was the via butt?
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: That fight?
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Like it was so I knew what was gonna happen,
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: but it was kind of uneasy after around like four,
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: like people kind of felt, you know, like at the time,
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: I probably think Colin fight went the fight early on,
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: and he'd be honest with you. However, again, when you
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: watch the fighter's like, okay, well, well you see what's going.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: You see what's happening. Canelo wasn't phasing all by anything
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: Colin was doing. It was that Colin more active, doing
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: the typical American stuff, more active speed, athletic system, all
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: that showing leading, you know, leading like he does. And
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: then you know, Canal was just timing and everything and
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: then all she wrote and then it went like oh
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: and then and that was when T Mobile first opened,
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: so it was like, I want to say, probably the
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: first big fight at that arena because yeah, it was
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: right around that time. So yeah, but you know, and
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: that's that's why I knew Canelo is really that guy,
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: because he brought everybody out. Everybody named Mama was out,
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: like from here overseas casual fans. He brought them all out,
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: and I mean all the all the beautiful Mexican women
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: and other Spanic women. He brought them out. And I
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: mean if you if you partake in Mexican and other
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Hispanic and Latin women, that was the place to be
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: for that weekend. They were all out and they were
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: dressed to impress. They were out. So yeah, for those
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: who enjoy looking at beautiful women. I don't know how
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: many more fights Cano has left in the States, but
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: I do advise you, if possible, be in the city
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: wherever he's fighting at in the States going forward.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: Man, on that note, you know, just fore, I love
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: going to like concerts, Mexican concerts and just even Phoenix
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: and the ladies, you know, a popular musician and ladies
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: come out dressed to impress.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's always a night to remember. And it's
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: not just for you know, the show on stage. You know,
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: the ladies out there. It is, it is. It is
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: a sight to see. But two Santejano concerts were always
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: the spot as well. Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, so yeah,
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: anything like that. Man, you're you're right now. It's we're
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: not gonna just lose an amazing fighter. When we lose Canelo,
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: we're gonna lose the draw that he brings in. But yeah, anyway,
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: just kind of bring it all back. Actually, I can't
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: believe that I didn't remember this because I read this
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: many times and again it's probably just kind of goes
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: to show that we don't, you know, just kind of
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: don't give a mere con the respect to deserve. He's
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: the only dude to have fought both Canelo and Bud Crawford,
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: Like he fought them both.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: Did you know that? Yeah, yeah, that's that's a good call,
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: great call. Wow.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So he was in the ring with both of them,
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: and you know, he he went up by classes to
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: fight Canelo and you know, lost the boat. But yeah,
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: you know he got in the ring with two of
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: the best fighters of their generation you know these days,
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: so that that takes a lot. And even if he
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: didn't pull out the w.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: No respect to him.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: Again, you know, I don't want to be super snarky
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: with the guy because he takes it in good stride.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: You know, he makes jokes about it. I think there's
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: something I might have said this before. Somebody said he
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: was using like form and enhancing drugs and he said,
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: if I took PDS, I would have been a better fighter.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, yeah, yeah.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: But anyway, we started this part of the segment talking
• 46:15
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• 46:31
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• 46:36
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  Speaker 3: the clip, guys. I got a new philosophy, right. Life
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: is a lot like a bad movie. It can suck,
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: but if you get together with friends and you drink,
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: you can at least have a good time while the
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: movie sucks. What about other things? Can you do other things?
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: You can have any sort of caveat you want. But
• 47:14
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• 47:17
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• 47:18
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• 47:18
  Speaker 3: I do that anyway by myself. Might as well doing together. Ooh,
• 47:22
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  Speaker 3: Thanks guys. These guys have been big supporters of our
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  Speaker 3: out to Bad Movies Worse People. Now today we are
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: talking about Creed from twenty fifteen. Ten year of this
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: movie is coming up. It was out in November, and
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: I've got here the exclusive Steal book with Creed one
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: and Creed two. If you haven't checked this out on YouTube,
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: definitely do that. You know a little import here Now,
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: this movie probably doesn't need a lot of introduction. It's
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: essentially Rocky seven. It was directed by Ryan Coogler, who
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: has been absolutely crushing it in the last decade and
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: especially this year. If y'all haven't seen Sinners, it's ranked
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: my number one movie of the year so far. A
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: lot of things have come real close to knocking it
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: down from the spot, but it hasn't happened yet. As
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: of October twenty twenty five, Sinners is still the number
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: one and I have I can say so much about
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: the movie. I could have done a whole episode just
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: talking about Creed because it is my favorite boxing movie.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: This is top tier. It's It's not just a great
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: boxing movie. It is a great movie as far as
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: I'm concerned. And I'm gonna go off on this movie
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: a lot. So James and I just want to you.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: Have you seen it? Did you see what it came out?
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on this movie and in its
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: place in the Rocky franchise?
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: Saw it in the theaters, saw it recently, And like
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: anything else, if you put the money and energy behind
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: something that's really good, it will have good numbers, it
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: will have a good showing. You can tell some We've
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: talked about a lot of boxing movies over the last
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: year or so, on this show. This is the one
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: that had all the emphasis behind it, had the money,
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: had star power, had resources, had a great storyline, had
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: great acting, had all the things that hey, man, if
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: you put it, they will come. And to be honest
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: with you, man, we need more of this. This is
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: what we need. I'm glad you actually chose this movie
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: because this actually makes boxing look dope, not just the
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: stuff in the ring, but the storytelling of boxers. We've
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: gotten away from knowing where guys came from in boxing.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: We've gotten away from the struggle stories of boxers. We've
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: gotten way away from it where we don't tell the
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: story of how they got to this point. All that
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: movie had everything that we grew up on when it
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: came to boxing. So to me, Creed is an amazing film.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: Get that way till the end of the segment. Is
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: a four out of four in a lot of ways.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: If I give it four plus, I would, But no,
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: that movie is if I gave somebody that's a casual
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: person that doesn't really watch boxing, I would give them
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: that movie to give them more emphasis on learning more
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: about the sport, learning researching more. Even though Rock is
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: a fictional character and Creed is technically a fictional character.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: The movie itself would have a non boxing fan doing
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: more research and asking more questions about the sport.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, man, one hundred percent agree. So my thing with
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: this movie, you know, I well just really creaking case.
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: Like I said, it doesn't need a lot of introduction,
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: but it is. In the Rocky franchise, Michael B. Jordan
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: plays a Donnis Creed, Apollo Crete's son from an affair
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: that he had. Apaula Creed died before little Donnie as
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: a Column was born, mother died when he was young,
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: ends up in group homes, foster homes, you know, Juvie
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: and Paula Creed's wife played amazingly by Felice Suverershad takes
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: him in and it's his story. It's essentially the first
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: Rocky but with this character, you know, trying to make
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: a name for himself, underdog fighter gets a chance for
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: a big, big fight and then you know, honestly, the
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: details don't even matter because it's we all know the story,
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: but goes the distance, doesn't win, but gets the moral
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: victory proven himself. So my thing with this movie is,
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: I actually didn't see it when it first came out
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: and it's grown on me. I did like it when
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: I first saw it. I did not go to see
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: it in theaters, I'll admit I was when I heard
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: it's like, oh, a new franchise with you know, Apollo
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: Crete's son. I was like, what is this shit? What
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: kind of hacky garbage are they gonna put out where
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: they just like try to make a franchise out of anything,
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: like come on. Didn't know Ryan Kuegler back then. This
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: movie is very much a I apologize, Ryan Couegler. I
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: was not familiar with your game. I really liked the
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: movie when it came out, but it took another watch
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: or two when I really grew to love it. Like, yeah,
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: same thing. We always rate movies out of four gloves.
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: At the end of the segment, this one is four plus.
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: The thing with me that kind of took me a
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: sec to get into it is that the character Creed
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: a Donnas Creed, like I said, he was adopted by
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: Felicia Shod and grows up with the Creed millions. You know,
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: he's in a mansion. He's a little rich boy, still
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: tries to make his own name, become a fighter without
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: using the Creed name, and it kind of seemed like
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: it didn't really it was sort of moving away from
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: the story of a fighter that like needs the fight
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: to get out of like a tough situation. Yeah, And
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: at first I was I thought it was kind of hokey.
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: I'm like, well, he's kind of a little rich boy. Yeah.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: But what when I really turned the movie turned a
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: page for me. Is when I realized, oh wait a second,
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: the racial economic issues class struggle is to the point,
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: it's daddy issues. This movie is daddy issues all the way.
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: And I got that shit in spades. So not in
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: the same way, you know, my I don't know what
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: it's like to grow up without a father. My issue
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: was that he was around. But I stick with it,
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: sticks with me. I mean, the movies and the daddy
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: issues of stuff will be all my life. So that
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: really is when it really started connecting, and I was like, oh,
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: I get it. It's it's it really clicked.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: There's a scene where he plays the YouTube video of
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: Apaulla Crete fighting Rocky Michael be Jordan's shadow boxing against
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: his father, and I'm like, I thought about fighting my father,
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: you know, for decades. My god, things like that really
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: kind of raised the movie's esteem in my mind. Yeah,
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: A mazing written by Ryan Coogler as well, co written,
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: just really captures the It's a movie that will bring
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: in fans of Michael B. Jordan, people interested in Rank Coogler,
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: and then fans of the Rocky franchise. You know, I've
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: not I wouldn't say I'm a huge Rocky fan. People
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: kind of overestimate that franchise. The first movie is a
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: good movie. I think they kind of put it too
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: high of a pedestal, but it does. Creed does kind
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: of treat that franchise and legacy with respect in a
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: way that you know fans aren't going to be put
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: off and say like, oh, you know you're giving him
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: the short short shift. You know, Sarsloan is in this movie,
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: and he does have put in a great performance. I
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: don't know how how you feel about I think I
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: believe he was nominated for an Oscar for this movie. Yeah,
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: So I want to see how you feel, just in
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: general about how the Rocky frand as a whole is
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: kind of seen in our culture.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: So I don't like Rocky. I'm gonna be first and
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: the reason why is because the premise of it is
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: you have a white heavyweight champion. At the time it
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: was first create a late seventies, the division was dominated
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: by black fighters, so this was basically a way to
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: put a white heavyweight champ in things when black fighters
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: were running things. So when you look at it like that,
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: it's like, I see the scenor motive. However, that being said,
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: keeping it just movies only, I think it's a dope
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: movie situation. I think it's a dope movie. The whole boxing.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: I love boxing, the way it's a movie. I don't
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: like that he had a statue in Philly before Joe Fraser.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: I thought that was crazy. I thought, I still think
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: it's crazy. With that being said, the movie itself was
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: a dope boxing movie. It's dope because it's again storytelling,
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: shows a journey. There's stories, there's failure, there's family stuff,
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of compelling things that go on and
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: on and on. So it showed that. Now again the
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: whole theory and the way it came about, but in
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: the time it came out, I'm not really here for
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: because it's like, hey man, you got a random white
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: underdog guy from Philadelphia fighting a black fighter who was
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: a champ like a man. We've tried this many times.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: We know what sells. But again, in the late seventies,
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: I get it. But Creed was a hell of a
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: remix to the whole brand. And you can't talk about
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: the Rocky brand out Rocky Brown without mentioning Creed. And
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: I think it's really really good. And Michael B. Jordan
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: was known for the longest time. You know, He's done
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: a lot of other things as being the guy from Creed,
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: like that was one of his biggest roles was being
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: Michael Jordan from Creed, the Creed actor. You know. So
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: those are things that you really can't take away. But
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: the whole Rocky brand is very strong terms of movie listing,
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: and you know whatnot it has a really good filmography
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: under its brand.
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the movies are popular. The movies are
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: popular for good reasons and for bad reasons. I think
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: they have a lot of you know, cultural touchstones. You know,
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: of course, you know, the training montage usually specifically came
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: from that. You know, the music's iconic, et cetera, et cetera,
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: et cetera. But yes, I'm with you, and I do
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: believe that it was propped up because it was a
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: fantasy white heavyweight fighter. And here's the thing, you say,
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: fighting a chant from Philly, not just that Apaula Crete
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: is very specifically supposed to be Muhammad Ali, Like he's
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: a Muhammad Ali standard. And so that's kind of the
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: why I think it gets a lot more do than
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: it deserves. As you know, yeah, the same thing with
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: a rocky statue in Philly, like please, like please, that's ridiculous.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: You will never be able to explain that one to me. Like,
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: for what Joe Fraser did as a boxer, for everything
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: he accomplished for his career, for him not to get
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: a statue first is criminal. And I get it, like
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: movies are very popular, I get it, I understand, but
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: hey man, look here, Joe Fraser, Joe Fraser, man, Joe
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: Fraser literally fought the fight of You can make an
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: argument that the first Ali Fraser fight is basically the
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: best boxing match ever when you combine everything. The whole
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: thing I mean, they've done documentary is about that fight.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: So come on, what are we doing here? And the
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: fact that he won, by the way, so what are
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: we doing? You know, what are we doing here, you know, like,
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: what are we doing here? So yeah, man, I'm not
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: I'm not rolling.
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that you know, the Creed, the
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: movie Creed specifically, you know, it gets into fighting in
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: a way that I don't know for me. And I've
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: seen all the Rocky movies and I've seen, you know,
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: the downfalls of it, the dangers getting her blah blah.
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: But nothing in this in any other boxing movie actually,
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: for me personally, hits as hard as Felicia Rashad telling
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: Michael B. Jordan, you know when he says that he
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: wants to fight, and she's, you know, pissed off because
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: his father of Paula Creed died in the ring, tells him,
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: do you know how many times I've had to help
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: your father up these stairs because he couldn't walk? Do
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: you know how many times I had to wipe his
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: ass because he couldn't use his hands?
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: Like that?
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: Shit is just like the fact that they put those
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: lines specifically in a boxing movie where you're supposed to
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: root for the boxer is just wild to me.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: They nothing is as like visc role as those two lines,
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: and it's it's just amazing, like it and the fact
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: that you know, to the character, it doesn't matter, you know,
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: he still wants to fight, and a little personal connection
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: that I had, like yeah, like twenty one when I
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: was like starting twenty twenty one, when I was doing
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: my own boxing training, nothing serious, just doing it for fun,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: started sparring, getting my ass absolutely kicked, and I loved.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: I had so much fun. I loved it. And I
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: was telling myself like, you know, whatever this will heal,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: it'll be good. I knew in the back of my
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: head and every side of my head I could get
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: seriously injured because I was I was a mid thirties
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: back guy. You know, uh never did anything as hard
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: as boxing. But I loved it. And you know, I
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: saw the movie and I was like, damn it. I know,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: like I get it. I get it, you know, even
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: for somebody that's not even anywhere close to taking you know,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: boxing seriously. Like I just had so much fun going
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: into that gym and getting back. Asking didn't matter.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: I was back.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: I came back the next day and the next day,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: and you know, did it for a few years. Took
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: a break just to focus on getting fat again, you know,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: reconnect with my roots. But you know, just seeing the
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: passion in the character and Michael B. Jordan's acting like
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: I hard at a really like solid time when I
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: needed you know, twenty twenty was a tough time for
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: a lot of people, myself included. I got super fat,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: super depressed about it, you know, pushing myself to get
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: it into the gym and going hard bro and you know,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: doing this of all things. I wasn't just like, I
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: don't know, sitting there doing push ups like I was
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: doing all the crazy stuff and you know, getting punched
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: in the face over and over. This movie was very
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: very inspirational to me personally, and it really it just
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: guy said, got better and better with here with a
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: few years. I actually wasn't even gonna watch it for
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: this episode because I know it's so well but I
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: was like, well, why would I turn out an opportunity
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: to watch you know, this movie again because I love
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: it so much? Put it on. It's just over two
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: hours flew by like that. I didn't feel the length
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: wasn't more. Wasn't like, oh this movie again that I've
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: seen five or six times. Man, I can just watch
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: it over and over and it's it's amazing. And yeah,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: the performance. And yeah, Michael B. Jordan, you know, he
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: was in the Wire as a kid. I watched him
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: on Friday Night Lights, the TV show as like a teenager.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: Before this, he was in that god awful Fantastic Four
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: that I couldn't even finish. I couldn't watch the whole thing,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: absolute garbage. But then this movie came out, and that's
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: what made Michael B. Jordan who he is, you know,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: this guy, him and Ryan Coogler, his collaboration in this
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: movie specifically, like this is what made him the guy.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: You know, this what made him a household name. And
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: I'm really glad that that garbage fantastic for a movie
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: did not hurt his career in one bit. And then
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: we've all forgotten about it. But yeah, so much, like
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: I said, I could talk for a full hour on
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: this about this movie. But one thing I wanted to mention.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: A couple of things.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: I never liked Tessa Thompson before this movie. I first
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: saw her in Veronica Mars the TV show when she
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: was younger, kind of a one note mingo character. It
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: wasn'tuntil this movie that I realized, oh, she actually is
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: a great actress, has some great range, can you know,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: be very dynamic, played a great character. So that completely
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: turned me around, complete one ady on Testa Thompson, which
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: I'm happy about. Tony Bellew is the guy that plays
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: the main and tags the main challenger in the movie
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: Pretty Boy Ricky conn.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: So.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: Tony bellew is a professional British boxer who plays pretty
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: Ricky Conlin in this movie the main attagonists have you
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: do you know this guy? Have you heard about him
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: at all?
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: No? No, I'm not.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I looked him up, you know. He so he
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: was a cruiserweight champ WBC had the WBC belt. So
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: he's a legit fighter. But it always makes me laugh.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: You know. He goes into the ring for the big
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: final fight Michael B. Jordan looking like he does just
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: insanely jacked fourteen pack apps. The arms aren't guns, they're cannons,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: and then Tony Belly takes off his robe and my man,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: I could be shaped like him in like four weeks
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: of working hard. You know, I know he's a legit fighter.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: The front is like flat, like a cardboard box. His
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: arms are like cylindrical. Again, he's talented. I'm not gonna
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: take it away, but I could look like Tony Bellue in
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: this movie after just give me, like I said, four
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  Speaker 3: weeks of working hard and I could. I could tell
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  Speaker 3: the ladies I'm shaped like a professional boxer. I just
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't tell them which one.
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  Speaker 2: Wow Wow.
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  Speaker 3: And then you look at MPJ and here, like the
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  Speaker 3: man is just just insanely cut, huge, like protruding man.
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  Speaker 2: He took the role seriously.
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  Speaker 3: He took the role seriously. And yeah, you know, no
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  Speaker 3: disrespect to Tony Belly. Like I said, if my man
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  Speaker 3: is a champion, he's a legitimate fighter. MBJ was not.
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  Speaker 3: But it just it never won't make me laugh when
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  Speaker 3: he takes that robe off and it's just like you so,
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  Speaker 3: but hey, you know, it takes all kinds and of
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  Speaker 3: course the man had skill. But but yeah, I could,
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  Speaker 3: I could. I could look like professional boxer Tony Bellue
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  Speaker 3: at the time this movie was filmed that he was
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  Speaker 3: still fighting, like he he won the WC belt like
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  Speaker 3: the year after. It's not like he retired and was
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  Speaker 3: just kind of you know, chilling. So but you know,
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  Speaker 3: good performance from him. Andrew andre Ward is in this
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  Speaker 3: for a little bit, yep, and the sequel. A lot
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  Speaker 3: of people from the boxing world stitched durand the cut
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  Speaker 3: man is in this who I love because he looks
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  Speaker 3: exactly like Edward Jim's almost to the point where you
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: think it is him in the movie. But but yeah, man, Scott,
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  Speaker 3: I I it's like, I don't I don't even know,
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  Speaker 3: like what what to say in the short time, short
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  Speaker 3: pier that we have about this movie. That just like
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  Speaker 3: I could just go on and on and on, so
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  Speaker 3: I won't do that, you know, a rap, But I'll
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  Speaker 3: just say, like, if you have not seen Creed, you
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  Speaker 3: know it is a strong recommend if you're not a
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  Speaker 3: boxing fan and you want to see a great movie
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  Speaker 3: with some you know, well directed fights. Oh and we
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  Speaker 3: can't forget the first major fight that Creed is in
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  Speaker 3: completely one shot, like there's no cuts. It is one
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  Speaker 3: is a winner. It did cheat. It filmed the round
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  Speaker 3: for two minutes, not three. I counted. I looked at
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  Speaker 3: the timing. But that's okay, really well choreograph fights, great
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  Speaker 3: direction from Ryan Cougler. Just you know, there's a reason
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  Speaker 3: that my Man Coogler is, you know, one of the
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: one of the best modern directors, one of the best
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: younger modern directors, MBJ, one of the best stars of
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: our generation. Yep, my Little Steel Book here has Part
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: one and two. I really like Part two. Not as
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  Speaker 3: good as the first one, but I really really dug it.
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  Speaker 3: Have you actually have you seen any of the sequels?
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  Speaker 2: James, Yes, yes, yes, they're all. They're all relatively well
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  Speaker 2: for what a boxing movie is. I mean, they've kind
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: of gotten kind of jumped the sharp fighting down the stadium.
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  Speaker 2: We got Steven Stephen a Smith involved, so it's a
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: little different. But it's cool because they're they're also big
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  Speaker 2: Hollywood budget type films now, so you're gonna add more
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: theatrics to it on all four.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's a big budget boxing film at a
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: time when a lot of boxing films do not get
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: a big budget. And even if they got midget, they're
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: not making a lot of money, right They're they're not
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: you know, lighting up with the box office. So I
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: don't know the franchise will continue. I'd come back for
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: ten of these. Honestly. I just love MBJ so much.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: And yeah, I don't know. Like I said, I don't
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: want to just keep rambling because as much as I
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: love this movie, I just want to say, you know,
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  Speaker 3: four gloves from each of us yep, four gloves check
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  Speaker 3: it out if you haven't already. And yeah, I'll go
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  Speaker 3: last thing, I promise.
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  Speaker 2: Man.
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  Speaker 3: My eyes were tearing up. Yeah, my eyes were tearing
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: up last night watching this movie. I gotta tell you, man,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: even it's like the fifth or sixth time. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that's our show. Thanks so much, everybody. Jamison. Where can
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  Speaker 2: On Instagram at the Jamison Find me on there for
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: all the losing fights and stuff like that. I can't
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