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The Rebels of the Anti-Abortion Movement · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephane.
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  Speaker 1: Never told your protection of I Heart Radio. And before
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  Speaker 1: we start this episode, let's go ahead and put a
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  Speaker 1: So you know, let's put a time and date. So
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  Speaker 1: it is May nine two as well. Uh so we
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  Speaker 1: said time. We'll go ahead, do it, so one o'clock
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  Speaker 1: 's one twenty here recording. Well, I thank you for
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  Speaker 1: that clarification. E s T to be specific, but also
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  Speaker 1: just a note, I believe this one is going to
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  Speaker 1: be releasing currently it's set to release much later. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's supposed to come out early g in so because
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  Speaker 1: as we've said, uh, Samantha is moving. I've got some
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  Speaker 1: fingers cross vacation coming down the line. So there's that.
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  Speaker 1: On top of things are quickly changing, is that this
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  Speaker 1: is coming out a bit later and we're it so
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  Speaker 1: by this point we may actually have the brief income
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  Speaker 1: out and be put to law, so who knows, and
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  Speaker 1: a lot of devastating changes could be happening. Um, So
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  Speaker 1: we were like you know what, let's go ahead and
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  Speaker 1: talk about it because with all of the darkness, there
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  Speaker 1: is always some silver lining and we do want to
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  Speaker 1: be uh aware of that and not always down in
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  Speaker 1: the dumps. But you know, that's what I do. UM. So,
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  Speaker 1: we've been talking a lot about what is happening with
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  Speaker 1: reproductive rights in the United States right now, and it's
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  Speaker 1: not something we take lightly as it's been a huge
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  Speaker 1: part of our subject matter since the beginning of this podcast,
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  Speaker 1: so we've been talking about it. It's no surprise that
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  Speaker 1: we are adamant about pro choice as well as adamant
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  Speaker 1: about bodily autonomy, especially when it comes to those who
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  Speaker 1: have uterus is so UM. That's this is something that
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  Speaker 1: we will never waver on. It never was. People who
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  Speaker 1: seem to think the old school hosts weren't this way.
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  Speaker 1: They were. They may just not have been as loud
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  Speaker 1: and it didn't seem as pressing. Don't get me wrong,
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  Speaker 1: it's always pressing, but obviously it's changing quickly and it's
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  Speaker 1: been overwhelming, to put it simply. But the one thing
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  Speaker 1: we know, when we are pushed against the wall, we
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  Speaker 1: fight back, uh. And that's where we're at and we
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  Speaker 1: want to make take a minute to celebrate the people
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  Speaker 1: who are not afraid to go beyond the unjust laws,
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  Speaker 1: but to work and help people no matter the cost.
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  Speaker 1: And I fell like it sounds so rebellious than it is.
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  Speaker 1: It is, especially in these areas that have had their
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  Speaker 1: rights taken away or have been banned for a long
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  Speaker 1: time and I've never had those rights. People are always
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  Speaker 1: going to fight back and we want to celebrate those moments.
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  Speaker 1: And unfortunately in the US we were coming to this
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  Speaker 1: point when it comes to the reproductive rights, we're having
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  Speaker 1: to do that. And we know that those in the
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  Speaker 1: marginalized communities have been fighting for this from jump and
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  Speaker 1: when it was quote unquote legal and I'm putting these
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  Speaker 1: in quotes, it was still almost impossible to get access.
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  Speaker 1: So we're going to talk about the rebels of the
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  Speaker 1: anti choice movement. But please note very branding. We are
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  Speaker 1: not doctors, nor are we medical professionals, and aren't trying
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  Speaker 1: to give anyone advice on what to do or how
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  Speaker 1: to do things. What we're doing is recognizing a movement
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  Speaker 1: when the rights of the marginalized are threatened, and how
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  Speaker 1: people will come together in hopes of saving people from
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  Speaker 1: deadly choices when they feel like they have no other choice.
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  Speaker 1: So this is what we're talking about. We're not trying
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  Speaker 1: to say here today, do these things. Please don't do that.
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  Speaker 1: Please make sure you research, Please you make sure you
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  Speaker 1: understand what the risks are. And please also know that
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  Speaker 1: there are bad people out there doing things in bad faith,
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  Speaker 1: and so it is good to know and to learn
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  Speaker 1: of trusted sites and people and all of that. So, yes,
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  Speaker 1: very caveat. We are not trying to give you advice
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  Speaker 1: on what to do. We're telling you what has been
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  Speaker 1: happening in historically indoor presently by other communities. Yes, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: And if you haven't listened to the past episode on
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  Speaker 1: the Jain Collective, definitely do that as they made a
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  Speaker 1: huge impact in making sure pregnant people were able to
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  Speaker 1: get access to safe, affordable abortions. But there are so
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  Speaker 1: many new groups that have come together all around the
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  Speaker 1: world that are creating their own underground networks to support
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  Speaker 1: people with uterus is and we want to take some
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  Speaker 1: time to talk about what they're doing and to celebrate it. Right. Um,
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  Speaker 1: So just also another caveat to this. As we were researching,
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  Speaker 1: some of the names weren't said some people were renamed
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  Speaker 1: so you didn't know their identity because this is a
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  Speaker 1: dangerous time for many people who are seeking access and
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  Speaker 1: or helping people to get access as well. So we
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  Speaker 1: are getting different articles from all around the world, and
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  Speaker 1: oftentimes we only hear about things that are happening, not
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  Speaker 1: necessarily the specific groups or people or where to go.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, if it sounds all mysterious and like shadows,
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  Speaker 1: it's because of this um so this is what they
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  Speaker 1: are doing to p themselves and their people. But again,
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  Speaker 1: before we talk about the amazing groups coming together to
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  Speaker 1: protect others and continue in practicing bodily autonomy, we want
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  Speaker 1: to talk a bit about some options when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to abortion and abortion access. And when I say options,
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  Speaker 1: I mean some of the things that people have done
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  Speaker 1: as options or taking as options. First, as of today,
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  Speaker 1: abortion is still legal federally, so again we make sure
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  Speaker 1: to make that priority. We don't know when this airs
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  Speaker 1: if that's still the same, but right now and even
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  Speaker 1: if row versus rate is overturned, there are still states
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  Speaker 1: within this country that allow and give safe access to abortions.
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  Speaker 1: So even though you may be living, we may be
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  Speaker 1: living in a state that tries to outright ban it
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  Speaker 1: or overturn everything. It is still accessible federally at this point,
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  Speaker 1: and if not, probably on state levels around you, though,
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  Speaker 1: we are already seeing political opponents talking about restricting or
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  Speaker 1: banning on a national level that has already come up.
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  Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell has said that he thinks it's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: pretty easy to do so, so if you're seeking or
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  Speaker 1: need that option, you have that right second, there has
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  Speaker 1: been a bit of controversy over the return of the
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  Speaker 1: clothes Hangers, you know, the symbol which was a reminder
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  Speaker 1: of the links pregnant people would go through to end
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  Speaker 1: their pregnancies with the wire hangers, which often led to
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  Speaker 1: injuries and death. And with this looming reversal overturning of
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  Speaker 1: Roe v. Wade, many activists have returned to using the
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  Speaker 1: symbol as as well as the Handmaids Tell symbol for
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  Speaker 1: a warning about the possible future. But the controversy has
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  Speaker 1: come out to be is this actually helpful or is
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  Speaker 1: this the type of fearmongering that could really uh send
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  Speaker 1: the dangerous message out into the world. Some have warned
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  Speaker 1: using the symbol could mislead people to think that this
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  Speaker 1: this is the only solution when there are safe options
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  Speaker 1: out there, so that was a big part and can
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  Speaker 1: be delivered to their homes at least the areas that
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  Speaker 1: haven't been affected yet by the current state of being.
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  Speaker 1: So if you haven't already checked out our episode on telemedicine,
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  Speaker 1: do so. Bridget came on. We talked about the FDA
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  Speaker 1: approving the abortion pill essentially to be prescribed through telemedicine
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  Speaker 1: and being able to be sent out through mel although
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  Speaker 1: stays have a way of trying to discourage that we
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  Speaker 1: know this, but it is accessible. And that big conversation
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  Speaker 1: about the wire hangars and clothes hangers is that for
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  Speaker 1: young people who may not know that this option is
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  Speaker 1: out there, and it's been out there for a minute,
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  Speaker 1: and so people did still don't know that it's an
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  Speaker 1: option until recently maybe not now. Having that as a
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  Speaker 1: symbol can really bring dangerous options or mindsets to a
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  Speaker 1: solution that shouldn't be happening. So that's one. So if
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  Speaker 1: you are one of those who think that this is
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  Speaker 1: a powerful statement, we get it, but it can be misleading,
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  Speaker 1: so be careful what you're doing because what people see
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  Speaker 1: can really influence someone, especially young ages as well as
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  Speaker 1: the fact that the handmads tail kind of got really big.
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  Speaker 1: They're like, please stop doing this, because you're acting like
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  Speaker 1: this is a future thing. This is not a feature
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  Speaker 1: thing for many in the modinalized community. So this is
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  Speaker 1: how they've lived and and using this dystopian idea as
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  Speaker 1: a is a fictionalized way of being. No, it's been
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  Speaker 1: this way, so let's stop perpetuating it like it that is. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And I think also, I mean, we've done in several
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  Speaker 1: episodes about how much misinformation, disinformation and not enough information
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  Speaker 1: is out there about abortion. So I do think it's
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  Speaker 1: important that yes, we tell people it's legal and safe
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  Speaker 1: and accessible while it is and here are your options.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's really important. That being said, abortion pills
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  Speaker 1: alike mytho pristone have made it safer for self administered
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  Speaker 1: abortions with the usage of being legal through telemedicine and
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  Speaker 1: approved by the f D a UM over twenty one
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  Speaker 1: years ago has been one of the safer options, though
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  Speaker 1: it hasn't been highlighted are used much. It's not surprising
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  Speaker 1: to know that even to obtain the medicine one used
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  Speaker 1: to have to jump through all these hoops to get it.
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  Speaker 1: UM everything from having to meet with a doctor, find
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  Speaker 1: a certified prescriber, and they have to be counseled thoroughly
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  Speaker 1: about the side effects and risks, which is somewhat unusual
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  Speaker 1: for a pill that has less risk than even tie
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  Speaker 1: in all our viagra m hmm. And though it is
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  Speaker 1: now FDA preor for patients to get the pill through
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  Speaker 1: the mail, many individual states have already put barriers, if
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  Speaker 1: not outright bands, on it, including Texas possibly finding or
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  Speaker 1: jailing for anyone who would prescribe it, and Georgia who
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  Speaker 1: is attempting to ban allowing it to be sent through mail.
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  Speaker 1: But that's not going to stop people from finding ways
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  Speaker 1: to access it, and hopefully with safer measures like these,
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  Speaker 1: uh than the ways of old. Definitely, I would hope
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  Speaker 1: so right, And again it's one of those conversations that
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  Speaker 1: it is not talked about and people don't know it
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  Speaker 1: can be excessed. Um. Yes, again, if you go through
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  Speaker 1: we've seen so many moments and we've heard about moments
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  Speaker 1: where UH pharmacists refused to give it, refused to actually
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  Speaker 1: fulfill the prescription. So there's a lot of conversations about that.
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  Speaker 1: But it is accessible now, UH and a reminder, we're
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  Speaker 1: learning about Plan B, which sounds amazing, and you can
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  Speaker 1: also access that through tele medicine, and it is supposed
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  Speaker 1: to be behind the counter, but still you can get
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  Speaker 1: it without a prescription. Um it's not effective for people
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  Speaker 1: over a d fifty pounds or as not as effective,
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  Speaker 1: so that's something to think on too. It seems kind
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  Speaker 1: of odd, but unfortunately that's where it is, so you
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  Speaker 1: have to be aware. And Plan B has a lot
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  Speaker 1: more advertising obviously than the other, so that's something to
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  Speaker 1: note as well. So why are we talking about things
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  Speaker 1: like the abortion pill. Well, as many countries around the
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  Speaker 1: world are trying to tighten the restrictions on abortion, that
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  Speaker 1: are those who are finding ways to keep people safe
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  Speaker 1: and helping them in these difficult situations, including getting access
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  Speaker 1: to these pills. Um And by the way, we're only
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  Speaker 1: talking about a couple of countries, but that's kind of
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  Speaker 1: the channel they're going. The route they're going is finding
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  Speaker 1: ways to access or get these pills and sell them
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  Speaker 1: on a reasonable price, if not completely free, as well
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  Speaker 1: as providing them uh instructions on how to use that
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  Speaker 1: rather than going into a clinic or a shady spot
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  Speaker 1: and doing medical procedures that could be really dangerous. So
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna talking to a couple of the countries, but
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  Speaker 1: you should know that this is happening everywhere. So I've
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  Speaker 1: been reading articles in the Philippines and El Savador and
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  Speaker 1: all of the other restricted areas that have examples of
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  Speaker 1: people using social media to find connections to get to
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  Speaker 1: these pills. So it's the safest way that they are
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  Speaker 1: accessing this and it's something to note um. And also
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  Speaker 1: much like Brazil, like many countries around the world, only
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  Speaker 1: allow for abortion in case of life saving emergency rape
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  Speaker 1: or specific cases that a fetus is missing a part
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  Speaker 1: of the brain or skull. And in the Brazilian president
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  Speaker 1: may have made it even more stressful for victims of
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  Speaker 1: rape to come forward as he's introduced a health ministry
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  Speaker 1: regulation which requires medical professionals to quote, collect evidence, and
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  Speaker 1: report to the police anyone who seeks legal termination of
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  Speaker 1: pregnancy after rape. So we've all talked about this before
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  Speaker 1: because this was kind of a mandate, not the pregnancy part,
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  Speaker 1: but the mandate of reporting rape at a school level
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  Speaker 1: that they had to go to the police, and how
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  Speaker 1: this deters many victims. Yeah, so we know what's happening here,
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  Speaker 1: so not sure where there are today with that Brazilian listeners,
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  Speaker 1: police let us know because we would love to hear
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  Speaker 1: about this if you have some information. But that hasn't
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  Speaker 1: stopped abortion from occurring, which we know it never will.
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  Speaker 1: And one woman or a group of people have been
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  Speaker 1: trying to keep those who are seeking abortion care safe
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  Speaker 1: yes uh, and one such person has already paved the way,
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  Speaker 1: known as Sophia through social media and interviews. Sophia is
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  Speaker 1: a lawyer, activist, and fierce advocate for abortion care and
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  Speaker 1: access UM and has been contact for people to not
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  Speaker 1: only get access to abortion medications, but a support and
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  Speaker 1: guide during their times of need. And though the risk
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  Speaker 1: and persistence of being arrested and jailed is very real
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  Speaker 1: and very high, Sophia and many others understand the need
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  Speaker 1: for providing help and continue to do so by providing
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  Speaker 1: ciotech or ms A postal, which many have stated have
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  Speaker 1: cut the rate of pregnancy, abortion pregnancy or abortion related
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  Speaker 1: this for Brazil. With people like Sophia who assist in
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  Speaker 1: limited amounts due to continued threats of being prosecuted UH,
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  Speaker 1: they have been able to provide safe options and hopes
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  Speaker 1: of keeping those with unwanted pregnancies safe, as many who
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  Speaker 1: have turned to Sofia have felt that she has saved
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  Speaker 1: their lives. One young woman spoke about her choices and
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  Speaker 1: knowing that if it had not been for Sophia and
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  Speaker 1: her assistance, she would have done whatever she needed to
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  Speaker 1: terminate the pregnancy. And she's not the only one, as
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  Speaker 1: one reports showed that hundreds of Resilians have died each
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  Speaker 1: year due to dangerous methods of abortion right and in
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  Speaker 1: one of the articles that I read, UH, they gave
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  Speaker 1: specific cases of what happened to people and what they
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  Speaker 1: were willing to do that ended in tragedy. And she
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  Speaker 1: is able to provide some access. When she talked about
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  Speaker 1: how many she does, she does like less than a
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  Speaker 1: hundred a year because she is scared that she's going
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  Speaker 1: to get prosecuted. Is of note that she is a
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  Speaker 1: person of color, a black woman, who has been an
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  Speaker 1: advocate in doing this four years. So as we know,
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  Speaker 1: most of the times, those who are really changing and
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  Speaker 1: charging the way and making changing saving people are usually
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  Speaker 1: the marginalized community. And many activists continue to rally and
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  Speaker 1: advocate for political reform. Obviously, and then there was a
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  Speaker 1: specific case of termination of pregnancy where they were trying
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  Speaker 1: to do it legally. It was a young girl who
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  Speaker 1: had been raped. Anti abortion activists continued to harass and
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  Speaker 1: spread misinformation for their agenda about that case and this one.
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  Speaker 1: It was found that a ten year old girl had
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  Speaker 1: been raped and impregnated by an uncle, and when she
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  Speaker 1: traveled miles miles away to get to term the pregnancy,
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  Speaker 1: anti abortion activists and candidates tried to halt and stop
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  Speaker 1: the procedure by harassing not only the staff of the
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  Speaker 1: hospital but the ten year old girl herself. So it
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  Speaker 1: was bad lining up at the entrance, harassing these people
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  Speaker 1: and calling this girl young girl many names, as far
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  Speaker 1: as anti abortion activists saying that she got kidnapped and
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  Speaker 1: was getting an abortion against her will. It was very
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  Speaker 1: bizarre misinformation and it worked and it went online that
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  Speaker 1: this video iss she was shown online um and after
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  Speaker 1: witnessing the harassment, many female activists came to rally behind
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  Speaker 1: the young girl and stand for the rights of others
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  Speaker 1: in the country. According to one report, there are half
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  Speaker 1: a million women who have to seek a legal abortions
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  Speaker 1: per year, and with instance like these, many who have
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  Speaker 1: even legal reasons may seek to do it secretly as well,
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  Speaker 1: which was put them in dangerous situations. UM, but activists
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  Speaker 1: like these have who have rallied and continue to protest
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  Speaker 1: for the rights of every person, even if that means
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  Speaker 1: putting themselves at risk. Yeah, and then UH. We've also
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  Speaker 1: talked a lot about what's happening in Poland in the
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  Speaker 1: last couple of years with its current abortion band, and
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  Speaker 1: we've talked about the continued activism for pro choice advocates
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  Speaker 1: and how countries and people neighboring them have been assisting
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  Speaker 1: those in need of services. And another group working like
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  Speaker 1: Sophia in Brazil, has been able to provide access for
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  Speaker 1: those who are seeking an abortion. UH. Groups like Abortion
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  Speaker 1: Without Borders, who we've mentioned before, have been providing access
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  Speaker 1: to many people across the country, and they aren't the
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  Speaker 1: only ones. Another group, Women Help Women, have been helping
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  Speaker 1: by providing abortion pills by mail UM and have reported
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  Speaker 1: as of December of one that they have received forty
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  Speaker 1: six thousand messages asking for help and provided help to
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  Speaker 1: at least ten thousand people. UH and other groups like
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  Speaker 1: the Abortion Abroad have raised thousands of euros to assist
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  Speaker 1: in funds to cover cross for abortions, travel, and even
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  Speaker 1: COVID test right um and in the United States, groups
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  Speaker 1: are already starting their own underground networks as many states
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  Speaker 1: have already placed heavy restrictions to abortion care. Groups like
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  Speaker 1: bridget Alliance and Haveing Coalition exist to assist people from
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  Speaker 1: different areas around the country seeking abortion access that they're
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  Speaker 1: actually located in states that have better access and care.
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  Speaker 1: They work with people all over by assisting and transporting
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  Speaker 1: and funding people for access, whether it's by physically transporting
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  Speaker 1: them by car or housing a person seeking safe care,
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  Speaker 1: or accompanying the person uh they weren't to provide care
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  Speaker 1: every step of the way. And accessing assistance like these
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  Speaker 1: networks has been largely in part to access to the
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  Speaker 1: Internet and social media. Many of the people who have
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  Speaker 1: been interviewed about their abortions, which they've had to do
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  Speaker 1: in secret because of the strict abortion bands, all talk
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  Speaker 1: about how they were able to find someone through trusted
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  Speaker 1: groups and social media. So obviously these groups are private
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  Speaker 1: and we don't know what they are. We shouldn't know
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  Speaker 1: what they are, but finding a trusted group has been
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: really important in this process, and with the possibility of
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: an out right band in the US, more groups are
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: popping up as well as the existing groups growing exponentially.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: One such group is called reddit Onto, which was started
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen and has seen a large growth since
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: the leak of the Supreme Court document. According to the moderator,
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: at least forty five thousand new members signed up by
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: the end of April. What started as a few hundred
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: members jumped to eighteen thousand two over fifty eight thousands
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: soon after Justice Alito's brief was leaked uh and the
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: group is spread throughout the country, offering to help with transportation, housing, accompanying,
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: and some even offering to act as an alibi by
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: taking people out as tourists and taking pictures with them.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: But it is important to note that as movements like
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: these gain in popularity, there are organizations like the ones
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: we mentioned a few minutes ago that exist and have
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: been validated as a grassroots effort which also accepts in
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: volunteers and raises monetary funds. Right so that point being
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: like these are great and eventually mainly do something that
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: we have to have if all of these grassroots projects
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: start getting shut down. But going forward, the ones that
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: are legitimized has holds to a certain standard because again,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of scammers out there, unfortunately, and it's
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: always nice to know we have neighboring people as well.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: People in bordering countries in both Mexico and Canada have
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: vowed to assist those seeking safe abortions, and people have
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: been traveling across borders for a while now. People in
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Texas have been traveling to Mexico to nonprofits like Abortem,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: which is an underground network that's been operating there for years.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: And the abortion has been recently decriminalized in Mexico, it
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean that the stigma has changed order the local
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: policies have changed to reflect the new federal policies, which
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: is why underground networks like these will continue their work
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: um and they have been ascess for so many seeking
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: safe abortion access, and groups like this has been quick
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: to collaborate with networks in Texas, Arizona and New Mexico
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: as they have been some of the most mers restrictive
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: policies on abortion right now, and with the current state
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: of the bands in Arizona and Texas, numbers of people
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: seeking abortion have increased in border towns, but there are
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: a lot of limits, whether it's due to cost or
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: even in immigration status um and seeking for legitimate assistance
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: has been more difficult, as with anything that is under
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: the radar. Scams and outright dangerous practices still exist and
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: it's something many people are worried about and should look
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: out for. But with the level of desperation these bands
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: and costs, is reasonable to see a panic for those
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: who are pushed into a corner. And yet as in fact,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: the numbers have skyrocketed since the news of the band,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: the amount of abortions that have happened has increased dramatically
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: to the point that that people have kind of said,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: you're pushing people to the point that they are not
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: sure whether or not they want to have an abortion,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: but because they feel like they have to have no choice,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: they have to decide now. So it's made the big
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: flux of numbers, which is saying a lot and trying
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: to shuffle through the good and bad and trying to
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: get safe access can be stressful and can add to
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: that to the states that are putting up bounties quote unquote,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: and I'm putting quotes and bounties because we know what
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: that means for those who may be seeking an abortion
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: as well. BT doves Andy and I were just recently
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: talking about the fact that us researching this, it's probably
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: gonna put us on a list if it's already started,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: which they're talking about it's already started. UH. Companies like
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Safeguard have been called out recently because they have been
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: already called into question about the tracking and that they're
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: selling information to police and law enforcement. UM. And apparently
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: like there's a big controversy about the period trackers, and yes,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: that has been as a conversation of like they're tracking
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: you to see if you're trying to seek abortions as well,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: because we know in states like Missouri and Ohio they're
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: talking about going ahead and prosecuting people who are assisting
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: traveling outside of assisting to travel outside of like the
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: whole game it. So these are really big stressors obviously
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: that we need to look out for. We did want
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: to have some good news in here, and before we
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: get into it, just be clear there are still some
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: issues with what we're going to talk about. UH. Stigma
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: remains doctor's refuge treatment. The opponents are relentless. UM. Also,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: I just happen to notice a lot of Catholic countries
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: in the mix here. Uh yeah, And I do think
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: like everything we're going to talk about here, we could
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: do full episodes on We already did one one of them.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: But if if there's something that you would like us
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: to revisit or listeners, if you have any more additional information,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: please let us know. Um because this is uh for
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: a lot of these countries. This is the first step
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: and it's still new. But all right, let's talk about
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: some positive things we've seen it and you already mentioned Mexico.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Uh so in any one, the Supreme Court unanimously struck
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: down a state abortion law that punished people who got
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: abortions with up to three years um or pregnancy, even
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: in the case of rape. That again, people should be
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: able to get abortions, you know, if they want one,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: but anyway, stating that criminal penalties for terminating a pregnancy
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: that had previously been legal were no longer illegal. This
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: paid the path for legalization of abortion across the country.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Many of the activists speaking out about this claimed that
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: they were inspired by activism and Argentina, which we're going
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: to talk about a minute, even using their symbolic green
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: bandanas called the Green wave, which is the theme we'll
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: see again and again. A lot of this like watching
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: what activists are doing in other countries and other places
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: and kind of taking note. It also happened days after
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Texas put into place one of the strictest abortion laws
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: in the United States. UH. And then there's Ireland, and
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: you can see our past episodes on the abortion vote
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: in Ireland, but briefly in Ireland held a history work
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: referendum to legalize abortion up to twelve weeks with exceptions,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: partly in response to a tragic and preventable death and
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: similar past rulings, including one that dismissed suicidality due to
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: carrying a fetus from rape as a reason to legalize abortion.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: This overturned an amendment imposed in nineteen thirty eight that
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: was essentially a total ban on abortion. It took so
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: much effort and a campaign calling Irish people who could
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: afford it to come home. Are even people to fund
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: people so that they could come home to vote in
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: this UH. And their efforts worked and the vote ended
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: up being two to one, and the celebration was very
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: very beautiful to see after that. Yeah. In twenty twenty,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Argentina's Congress legalized abortion up to fourteen weeks. Before that,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: it was only allowed in cases of rape or danger
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: for the mother, and this law had been in places
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: nineteen twenty one, dating back to an even older eighteen
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: eighties six law. But the grassroots feminist movement, the Green Way,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: which we talked about earlier, was determined and persistent. And
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: at the same time, the Congress also voted for a
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: bill that would provide better resources and care for pregnant
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: women and new mothers. It was believed this ruling would
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: have a quote domino effect in the region uh in
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: a region of many Catholic and extremely anti abortion histories,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: and it did. And yeah, they've influenced their chance all
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: across the country, kind of impacted the entire world, where
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: we see examples where people are taking their chance and
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: using it in different other countries and other protests. Beautiful
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: to see. And then there's Colombia, which in early two
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Columbia decriminalized abortion in the first twenty four weeks, something
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: many directly relate to similar rulings from Argentina and Mexico.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: It was a five to four ruling, so really close,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: which is what we've seen. I feel like across the board.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Um before that, abortion was only allowed when the pregnant
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: person's life was at risk, life threatening risk to the fetus,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: and or rape or incest. People celebrated this historic ruling
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: on the streets, but remained vigilant, especially given was going
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: on in the United States. And I think that's what
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: we're all looking at, is the flip flopping of oh no,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: is this Luke, should we watch out for this? Yeah?
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: I would actually love to come back. And because I
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: read a really interesting essay about from someone from Ireland
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: about Roe v. Wade and the impact it had on
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Ireland and her activism and seeing it now what's happening,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: I think that would be great to kind of sad,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: but great to come back. And I mean it's obviously
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: it's connected and not just the United States. Like we've
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: watched what's having in Poland and we're like, oh no,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: this is happening here. What even though like the religion
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: aspect is still here, but different types of denominations. It's interesting,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: it is it is then in we're kind of jumping
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: around timeline wise, But in twenty nineteen, South Korean judges
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: ruled that an almost seventy year abortion band be lifted
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: in a very very close vote. Abortions up to twenty
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: weeks are now legal there. Previously abortions could come with
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: heavy fines and jail time. This reversal was a result
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: of many many things. It directly went against other government
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: policies like population control um for one, social attitudes preferences
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: for boys ever girls, resulting a lot of illegal abortions.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: There was a lot going on. Again, we could come
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: back to all of these and really dig into it,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: right and then the adoption, Like I know we've talked
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: about it previously, but for South Korea, adoption was a moneymaker.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: And it's kind of interesting to see that type of
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: attitude with all of what was happening as they were
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: like literally selling out children. Yeah mmmm uh. And in
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: New Zealand decriminalized abortion up to twenty weeks of returning
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: a law that had been in place since nineteen seventy seven,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: a law that required the signatures of two doctors and
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: only in the case of what was deemed a serious
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: health issue. So some positives positives. So I was reading
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: under one article they said that the only really three
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: countries like had literally changed their legalized abortion essentially like
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: he has the criminalizing or lessening that's happened, but it's
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: not the same level of the overturning as it happens
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: this nineteen seventy four that only three countries really had
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: progress with that, and I'm like, huh, that's interesting and
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: we're going backwards. Wonderful. It's good to know that all
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: these countries, while they're made the first step stipulations, it's
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: a constant fight until something is codified, which we were
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: hoping would happen in the US, but it didn't. It
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: would not remain in place. It could be overturned, and
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: that's the scary part to it. Um. I know Chile
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: had a lot of good things happening, and a part
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: of that conversation was that they could change the constitution
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: and they can rewrite or at least revamp the constitution
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: with it being modernized, which is probably the conversation we
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: need to be having when it comes to rights like
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: this and really coming to date with what is needed
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: for the world today, because a lot of it is
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: if we're gonna based it out of historical context, it
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: was all racist, sexist, uh, and yeah, killing people, So
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: it wasn't for everyone. It was for the elite, So
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: that's another conversation we should have. But with so much
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: happening around the world, there's a lot that can cause
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: us to be concerned and then some but a few
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: things remain. Banning abortion will not stop abortion from happening,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: just safe abortions and though times have changed from the
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Jain Collective days, which you should definitely go listen to.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Um I also did a podcast with Margaret Killjoy called
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff. We talked about the
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Gaine Collective and then just the bigger movements that happened within.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: So if y'all want to go take a listen to that,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: as well as past host Bridget and Emily, who talked
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: about the Jain Collective as well, should definitely go take
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: a listen about what they did. But all of that
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: being said, just because it's not that same attactics, it
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean it's accessible. Cost for abortions by self administrating
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: drugs or medicines doesn't mean that it's accessible. Scammers are
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: out there and those who would extort people for profit. Uh.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: It could also be that people are scammed by jugs
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: that could harm people or not do anything at all.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: So literally, just being given c bows pretending to be
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: these types of things is scaming people out of thousands
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: of dollars. Banning access to safe abortion and reproductive healthcare
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: harms people and oftentimes places people in unnecessary danger. Thank god,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: we have social media for people that access and communicate
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: with others hopefully read it. Threats like the Auntie thread,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Hopefully are showing them how where to go to find
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: a safe access. But we know that without that people
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: go to links in what they think they have to do.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Young people will do it all the time. We've seen it.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Brazil actually talked about during their band how the rate
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: of deaths by suicide for young pregno people went up,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: and that is a concern that is of heavy concern,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: and this is something that needs to be reminded that
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: this is not helping anyone. This is just putting more
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: harmful practices in place. And as a reminder again, it
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: is still accessible in the US. Abortion is still safe
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: and accessible today, and even if Roe v. Wade is overturned,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: there are places in the US that can still provide
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: and will provide help in a safe environment. And if
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: you know someone who's looking or fields that they can't
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: turn to anyone else. Please please look at these grassroots
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: that we mentioned. Also go to a national network of
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: abortion funds or it is abortion Funds dot org, which
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: work to help quote this from their site, remove financial
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: and logistic barriers to to abortion access and can help
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: you find local abortion providers or help you find ways
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: to safely access it. So it's really really important to
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: know that those are there and it will remain and
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: it will continue to remain, they will continue to work.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: These people have been around and have been able to
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: access it. Also as a reminder, be diligent and research everything,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: and we're talking about everything. If you're seeking help, research it,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: if you're looking to donate or volunteer, research who you
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: want to fund or assist. Look at your local providers.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Be diligent and making sure you know who you're getting
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: involved with, Look at their motives, look at their history,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: look at their records. UM there's a lot of conversation
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: and a divide that's happening in certain organizations who have
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: been very uh anti trans Those are people to be
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: aware of. They are already a UM uthering people to
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: saying who can cannot have access That should not be
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: a part of the conversation. If it is, that's a
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: huge red flag. Make sure you know who you're talking to,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: make sure you know that it's actually going to where
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: it's supposed to be going. We're not talking about nonprofits
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: getting salaries. Things like that happen, but if their majority
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: of the chunk of their money is going to things
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: that are not helping the individual, that's a red flag.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: And above all else, take care of yourself. Give yourself
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: as much kindness and compassion as you want to do
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: for others. That reminder, there's a lot going on, There's
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: a lot that we can do, but advocacy only works
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: if we can advocate for ourselves as well. Yeah, yeah, oh, listeners,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: we love you so much. We do. We want you
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: to take care of yourselves. And yeah, if you feel
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: comfortable sharing your story or your any resources or what's
• 33:03
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• 33:07
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• 33:09
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• 33:11
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• 33:13
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• 33:16
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