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Medical Mistakes Are America’s 3rd Biggest Killer | My Partner Died 25 Years Ago Today · The Karel Show

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  Speaker 4: It's show side.
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  Speaker 5: It's the number three killer in America, and it doesn't
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  Speaker 5: have to be. It could have already happened to you
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  Speaker 5: or someone you love. We are going to talk about
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  Speaker 5: it on this Anniverse three day, so don't go anywhere.
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  Speaker 5: It is the Grell Show. I am Carrel, so very
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  Speaker 5: glad you are joining me. It is the number three
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  Speaker 5: killer in the country, heart disease, diabetes, and then medical mistakes.
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  Speaker 5: We don't talk about it a lot. The medical industry
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  Speaker 5: certainly doesn't want you to talk about it, and they
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  Speaker 5: certainly don't want you to be able to do anything
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  Speaker 5: about it. If you or a loved one are the
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  Speaker 5: victim of a medical mistake, or have been in the past,
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  Speaker 5: you know how hard it is to hold the system accountable.
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  Speaker 5: The system is set up to protect the hospitals, the doctors,
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  Speaker 5: all by lawyers, none of which really care about you
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  Speaker 5: or your care, but really just care about protecting their
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  Speaker 5: fiscal bottom line. And in this country there are so
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  Speaker 5: many medical mistakes and that have risen this statistic. Didn't
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  Speaker 5: always be this wasn't always this, but it's risen so
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  Speaker 5: much in the last ten years that now medical mistakes
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  Speaker 5: are the number three cause of death. And that's why
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  Speaker 5: you need a patient advocate with you at all times
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  Speaker 5: if you can have one when encountering the medical facil Now,
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  Speaker 5: twenty five years ago today, I learned firsthand about medical mistakes. Oh,
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  Speaker 5: I had known about them before, but not in the
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  Speaker 5: way that I learned twenty five years ago today. You see,
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  Speaker 5: twenty five years ago yesterday, my late partner and I,
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  Speaker 5: Andrew Howard, were out partying at Long Beach Gay Pride weekend.
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  Speaker 5: I was on drinking detention because the night before I
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  Speaker 5: got really drunk and we got into a terrible fight.
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  Speaker 5: Because we were Liz Taylor and Richard Burton, some would
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  Speaker 5: say we were abusive, or I was abusive, would never
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  Speaker 5: hit him or anything, but you know, we got into
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  Speaker 5: some big fights on radio, We got into some big fights.
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  Speaker 5: In reality, we were very passionate people and so on
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  Speaker 5: that Sunday night, I was on drinking detention, so I
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  Speaker 5: was completely sober, so that Andrew took it upon himself
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  Speaker 5: to get drunk and we had a great time. At Pride.
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  Speaker 5: He was bopping people on the head with a feather
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  Speaker 5: that he had plucked out of the head dress of
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  Speaker 5: the felipe from the village people, and he was puff,
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  Speaker 5: you're gay, Puff, You're gay. We had gone to see
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  Speaker 5: Dame edna Ethridge that beverage that day, my bossoms and
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  Speaker 5: he loved that. He just had a really fun last day,
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  Speaker 5: including antagonizing me for being sober. We got home at
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  Speaker 5: two in the morning. He made shrimp scampy wearing nothing
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  Speaker 5: but an apron. My friend Larry Flick was visiting from
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  Speaker 5: New York at the time, and I thought I was
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  Speaker 5: getting late actually because he was running around in an
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  Speaker 5: apron with nothing on underneath making shrimp scampy. We danced
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  Speaker 5: to Chickiquita by Abba, danced all around the living room,
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  Speaker 5: and then I got tired. It was three in the morning,
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  Speaker 5: and I went to bed a little grumpy because I
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  Speaker 5: thought we were going to have some fun, and then
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  Speaker 5: he just stayed up. So we woke up at four
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  Speaker 5: point thirty in the morning and he was vomiting, and
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  Speaker 5: I just thought it was the alcohol, and since I
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  Speaker 5: couldn't drink, I was annoyed, and you know, I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 5: come back to bed. He goes, no, we need to
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  Speaker 5: go to the hospital. I said, for being drunk. It's like,
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  Speaker 5: I'm having a heart attack. And I'm like, no, you're not.
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  Speaker 5: You're thirty four years old. You're not having a heart attack.
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  Speaker 5: He's like, I'm having a heart attack. Bring me to
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  Speaker 5: the hospital. So I got really annoyed. I did, because
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  Speaker 5: I was like, we're gonna get there. We're gonna go
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  Speaker 5: there at four thirty in the morning. They're just gonna
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  Speaker 5: give you some anti nausea medicine and you're gonna be fine.
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  Speaker 5: And your chest hurts because you've been throwing up. But
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  Speaker 5: we went and as we were driving, I said, here,
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  Speaker 5: we'll go to Saint Mary's and he said, no, we
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  Speaker 5: should go to Memorial. This is big. So I passed
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  Speaker 5: Saint Mary's and it took me a long time to
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  Speaker 5: deal with the fact that I could have taken him
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  Speaker 5: to Saint Mary's. We got to Long Beach Memorial Hospital.
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  Speaker 5: He walks in and passes out on the floor, making
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  Speaker 5: a noise I have never heard anybody make in my life.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't know it at the time. It was a seizure.
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  Speaker 5: He passed out, he wet himself, he tensed up. The
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  Speaker 5: nurses acted like nothing was happening. The er was in disarray,
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  Speaker 5: it was being remodeled. They just saunter over a call
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  Speaker 5: for a gurney, no one, no one being like, you know, urgent.
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  Speaker 5: So they get him to a room. I'm now terrified
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  Speaker 5: because I've never seen you know, he's never passed out before,
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  Speaker 5: and we've been through so much. And they get him
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  Speaker 5: in a room. They start asking me a billion questions
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  Speaker 5: about illegal drugs and I assure them there are no
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  Speaker 5: illegal drugs on board. They tried to tell me what
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  Speaker 5: there could be. He could have gotten out of your sight.
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  Speaker 5: You could have done something you didn't know about. I'm like,
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  Speaker 5: So the nurses in the er had their mind made
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  Speaker 5: up that we were just two drugged out queers on
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  Speaker 5: gay Pride weekend. I'm not making that up. I got
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  Speaker 5: them later to admit that under deposition they treated us
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  Speaker 5: differently because they were They thought we were too drugged
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  Speaker 5: out queers on gay Pride weekend. They put him in
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  Speaker 5: his room. They you an AKG. It comes back abnormal,
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  Speaker 5: it says on the top, abnormal tracing abnormal EKG. No
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  Speaker 5: medicine on board none. I start freaking out, thinking they're
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  Speaker 5: not taking this seriously. I had no cell service in
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  Speaker 5: the er, so I kept leaving him, trying to get
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  Speaker 5: a life flight ordered. Uh, calling Karen, calling his sister,
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  Speaker 5: because I knew this was serious, something was going on,
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  Speaker 5: And suddenly I was no longer mad about going to
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  Speaker 5: the hospital, and time passes as I'm going in and
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  Speaker 5: out trying to get him transferred, trying to get him
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  Speaker 5: out of the arc because they refuse to take us seriously.
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  Speaker 5: They insulted me so many times, well, you don't know
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  Speaker 5: everything he does, you don't know every drug he takes.
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  Speaker 5: I'm all, honey, we've been together eleven and a half years.
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  Speaker 5: This man is never basically out of my sight. Don't
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  Speaker 5: tell me. I don't know what drugs he does. He
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  Speaker 5: does seventeen drugs. They're all AIDS drugs. Here's the list,
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  Speaker 5: you know, because I carried it everywhere. So I begged
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  Speaker 5: them to take his heart attack seriously. They didn't. So
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  Speaker 5: then they transfer to the CT scanner and I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 5: you're gonna scan his heart. They're all, no, we're going
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  Speaker 5: to scan his head because he had a seizure. I said,
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  Speaker 5: this is a seizure is not the problem. It's his heart.
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  Speaker 5: He's been screaming for an hour that he's having a
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  Speaker 5: heart attack, and you guys will not take him seriously.
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  Speaker 5: They go into the scanner. They won't let me in,
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  Speaker 5: of course, and suddenly I hear the same noise that
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  Speaker 5: he made when he had the seizure. It's like a
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  Speaker 5: horrible snoring noise, like a just a terrible noise. So
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  Speaker 5: I rush into the seat scanner. I opened the door
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  Speaker 5: and I'm all, he's having another seizure, and the lady goes, no,
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  Speaker 5: he's snoring, he's asleep.
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  Speaker 4: I'm out, bitch.
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  Speaker 5: I leave there. I run from the Sea chief scanner
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  Speaker 5: room to the er physically, grab a nurse and a
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  Speaker 5: doctor by the hand, physically and yank them and pull
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  Speaker 5: them back to the CT room. They open the door,
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  Speaker 5: they go in, they close me out. The next thing
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  Speaker 5: I know, they're calling a code a code blue to
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  Speaker 5: the CT. In goes the crash cart. I'm outside the door,
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  Speaker 5: trying to call Karen, trying to call everybody. Then they say,
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  Speaker 5: would you like to come in? Well, that's new. They've
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  Speaker 5: been treating me like I was a stranger, like I
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  Speaker 5: was nothing to him this whole time, and now they're all,
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  Speaker 5: do you want to come in? I go into the
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  Speaker 5: CT scanner room and there is this horrible dance going on.
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  Speaker 5: There's a black man giving compressions to Andrew, and I
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  Speaker 5: could see on his chest where it was bruising. They
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  Speaker 5: never show you that on TV. And then they were
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  Speaker 5: shocking him, and they never show you on TV how
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  Speaker 5: when they shock the body, the person doesn't just do this.
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  Speaker 5: The whole body flails up. And then they're arguing over
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  Speaker 5: whether they gave him EPI or whether they gave him this,
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  Speaker 5: or whether you how many amps of that. I went
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  Speaker 5: backwards to the wall and sort of shrank down, and
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  Speaker 5: then I got up and I walked over to him
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  Speaker 5: and I whispered in his ear, and I said, Andy,
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  Speaker 5: your chest is really going to hurt tomorrow and this
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  Speaker 5: is going to make a really great story for our show,
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  Speaker 5: but I really need you to wake up right now.
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  Speaker 5: Then they asked me if they'd like them to stop,
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  Speaker 5: and I said stop, no, I want you to crack
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  Speaker 5: his chest. I want you to to do what they
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  Speaker 5: do on TV bring him back. And they couldn't. So
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  Speaker 5: I just sat down on the floor in this sea
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  Speaker 5: chief scanner room where they're working on him, and Karen
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  Speaker 5: walked in the door or no, I'm sorry. I get
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  Speaker 5: up because Karen texted that she's there. And I get
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  Speaker 5: up and I exit the room while they're still working
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  Speaker 5: on him, and she said, boolet where's Andrew? And I said,
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  Speaker 5: I think he's dead and she's like, that's impossible. And
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  Speaker 5: we both walked back into the room and they had
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  Speaker 5: just called the code. No one was working on him anymore.
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  Speaker 5: He was gone. I still can't believe that scene to
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  Speaker 5: this day, twenty five years later that I lived it,
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  Speaker 5: and I can't believe it. Then all of a sudden
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  Speaker 5: were telling us. Then they found out who we were,
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  Speaker 5: and suddenly the whole hospital staff is there kissing my
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  Speaker 5: ass and David Hall's there now, and Candy and Scott
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  Speaker 5: are almost there, and Karen's there, and I'm furious. And
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  Speaker 5: the nurse brings me and Karen into a room to
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  Speaker 5: tell us that they may never know why this happened,
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  Speaker 5: and they'll do an autopsy, but they may never They
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  Speaker 5: think maybe it was a pulmonary embolism and they just
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  Speaker 5: don't know. And I just kept looking at her, going,
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  Speaker 5: I know why this happened. You ignored him, saying he
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  Speaker 5: was having a heart attack. And every time she said
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  Speaker 5: it was God's will. There was an electrical panel that
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  Speaker 5: had a door, a little tin door that was open,
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  Speaker 5: and she closed it. And every time she said it
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  Speaker 5: was God's will or that they may never know. And
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  Speaker 5: I'm not making this up. Karen will tell you the
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  Speaker 5: same thing. That metal door flew open every time she
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  Speaker 5: mentioned God or you know, they may never know. The
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  Speaker 5: metal door on the electrical panel came open every single time.
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  Speaker 5: So I'm furious. I know that they messed up. I
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  Speaker 5: watched them mess up. So then the police arrived and
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  Speaker 5: I think, oh God, thank god, they're going to arrest
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  Speaker 5: the doctor. They're going to arrest the nurses because they
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  Speaker 5: killed him. They didn't give him treatment. They thought we
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  Speaker 5: were just drugged out queers, and they killed him. So
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  Speaker 5: thank god the police are here. Little did I know
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  Speaker 5: the police were there to interrogate me because now they
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  Speaker 5: deemed the death suspicious. It wasn't suspicious to me. I
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  Speaker 5: watched everything that happened. They wrapped him up, let us
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  Speaker 5: say oh goodbyes. David Hall went in with me. He
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  Speaker 5: still had the intubation tube in him, and I touched
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  Speaker 5: his hair and held his hand and I didn't want
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  Speaker 5: to leave. Karen and David Hall had to literally carry
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  Speaker 5: me because I got to the front of the hospital
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  Speaker 5: and I grabbed the parking pole and I wouldn't let
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  Speaker 5: go because I thought I needed to go with him
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  Speaker 5: to the coroner's office, because we had never been apart,
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  Speaker 5: sort of like me at Ember. We had never been
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  Speaker 5: like for the longest we've been apart was twenty hours
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  Speaker 5: in eleven and a half years, and I knew. I
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  Speaker 5: knew something went wrong. I knew it in my heart.
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  Speaker 5: I of course started to blame myself. Why didn't I
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  Speaker 5: go left and Saint Mary's, you know, it was closer,
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  Speaker 5: and maybe they would have taken his heart attack more serious.
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  Speaker 5: Why didn't I get a helicopter there we could afford
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  Speaker 5: it because I didn't know who to call. Why Why
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  Speaker 5: didn't I take him more seriously at the house? Why
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  Speaker 5: didn't I demand? I mean I was demanding. I was screaming,
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  Speaker 5: do something, do something. For an hour, I was like,
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  Speaker 5: do something. He said, give him an aspirin. For the
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  Speaker 5: love of God, they gave him nothing. Nothing. There wasn't
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  Speaker 5: even an IV going. I knew from that moment on.
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  Speaker 5: I knew that I had to prove that they made
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  Speaker 5: a mistake, and that his doctors made a mistake. I
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  Speaker 5: had to prove it. His parents said they would help
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  Speaker 5: me with the wrongful death lawsuit because at the time
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  Speaker 5: there was just domestic partnership, and even though Andrew and
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  Speaker 5: I were domestic partners, they they didn't have the right
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  Speaker 5: to sue. So I had to rely on as parents,
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  Speaker 5: whom I didn't like, and they didn't believe me. And
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  Speaker 5: when you encounter medical errors and the number three cause
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  Speaker 5: of death in this country, oftentimes people don't believe you.
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  Speaker 5: They don't believe your doctor messed up. They don't believe
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  Speaker 5: the nurse messed up. They don't believe the hospital messed up.
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  Speaker 5: So on the first day of the first deposition that
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  Speaker 5: was supposed to happen, after me taking a year to
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  Speaker 5: find a lawyer, no lawyer would represent me because I
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  Speaker 5: had no legal right to sue, so no gay lawyer
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  Speaker 5: would represent me. The Human Rights Campaign, Lambda Legal none
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  Speaker 5: of them would help me. None. Finally, a gay lawyer
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  Speaker 5: that was a fan of ours in Century City, on
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  Speaker 5: day three hundred and sixty four, filed the lawsuit but
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  Speaker 5: told me they would not represent me. They would file
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  Speaker 5: it so the statue of limitations didn't run out, but
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  Speaker 5: they wouldn't represent me, so they filed it on day
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  Speaker 5: three sixty four, and finally I found a crazy lawyer
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  Speaker 5: in Long Beach named Michael Latta, and he was a
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  Speaker 5: fan as well, and he took the case. The coroner
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  Speaker 5: called me directly to say he was a fan, that
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  Speaker 5: he couldn't believe it was Andrew lying on his table,
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  Speaker 5: and that he would find out why Andrew died, and
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  Speaker 5: he did. It was a blood clot that blocked eighty
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  Speaker 5: percent of the blood flow to his body when he
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  Speaker 5: had the first seat, that was the clot making itself known.
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  Speaker 5: The clot then moved in his artery it moved and
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  Speaker 5: blood flow went back to normal. It was in that timeframe,
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  Speaker 5: that hour and a half, that they could have broken
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  Speaker 5: up that clot, even if they had just given him
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  Speaker 5: an asprin. But they didn't take us seriously. They thought
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  Speaker 5: we were two drugged out queers on Gay Pride weekend.
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  Speaker 5: They could have busted the clot, They could have taken
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  Speaker 5: him to the cath lab, they could have done a lot.
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  Speaker 5: They did nothing. So, armed with the autopsy report, me
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  Speaker 5: and Michael Latta were about to do depositions. Andrew's parents
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  Speaker 5: bailed on me. They were supposed to be leaving Victorville
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  Speaker 5: to come to the deposition. They call me and say
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  Speaker 5: they just can't do it. So Michael says, we'll drop
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  Speaker 5: them from the case, but it's going to get thrown out.
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  Speaker 5: And that's when I learned that when you encounter a
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  Speaker 5: medical mistake, the chances of you making it right, of
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  Speaker 5: you getting a judgment, of you being able to sue
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  Speaker 5: for malpractice two percent two percent of all medical errors
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  Speaker 5: the number three cause of death in the country. Two
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  Speaker 5: percent of the cases lead to a judgment two percent
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  Speaker 5: ninety eight percent side for the doctor, or they settle
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  Speaker 5: before they get to court, and the amount is capped
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  Speaker 5: in California, two hundred and fifty thousand dollars is what
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  Speaker 5: your worth did. That's it. It's capped. George w or Uh,
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  Speaker 5: George Bush Senior did that? Capped wrongful death lawsuits, tort reform,
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  Speaker 5: it's called so the first time we went to court,
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  Speaker 5: it's called a summary judgment. The judge throughout the case
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  Speaker 5: because she said I had no standing opposition for Long
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  Speaker 5: Beach Memorial Hospital. In doctor Kushian called Andrew an alcoholic,
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  Speaker 5: which wasn't true. They called him a drug addict, which
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  Speaker 5: wasn't true. They lied, and I screamed at them in court.
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  Speaker 5: I screamed, you're lying. And my counsel was like, calm down, Corone.
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  Speaker 5: So the judge said, I'm throwing out the case. You
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  Speaker 5: have no standing. I looked up at her and I said,
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  Speaker 5: this isn't over. I then embarked on a seven year
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  Speaker 5: journey because I challenged the law that said domestic partners
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  Speaker 5: couldn't sue for wrongful death. And it took six years
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  Speaker 5: of the lawyers treating me like shit, no one taking
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  Speaker 5: me seriously, no one believing me, everybody thinking it was
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  Speaker 5: just some hurt guy who was trying to deal with
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  Speaker 5: his grief by going through the courts. Six years later,
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  Speaker 5: the California Supreme Court, where our case ended up after
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  Speaker 5: me testifying and Sacramento about why same sex marriage needs
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  Speaker 5: to happen. It's when I first met Gavin Newsom. Six
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  Speaker 5: years later, I was now working at KGO. I was
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  Speaker 5: at Red Lobster with Karen, not a vegan yet, and
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  Speaker 5: Mike Lauda calls me and says, I you is sitting down.
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  Speaker 5: I said why? He said, because the California Supreme Court
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  Speaker 5: just sided with you and said that domestic partners should
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  Speaker 5: have the right to sue for wrongful death. Our case
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  Speaker 5: can proceed six years of not being able to argue
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  Speaker 5: about Andrew and his death, but just having to argue
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  Speaker 5: that we counted enough to be able to sue. Six
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: years five days later, we met with an arbitrator and
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: all the lawyers. The arbitrator said to me, my niece's
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: lawsuit went through this morning because of you and because
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: of Andrews. And I knew right then and there that's
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: what the fight had been about. I knew that's what
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: you would have wanted.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: Now is show.
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: It's bad enough when a medical error happens to you,
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: the number three cause of death in this country. What's
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: worse is when people don't believe you, and then the
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: courts make it impossible. I had to drop Long Beach
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: Memorial Hospital from the lawsuit, even though I believe they
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: were the biggest culprits. I hated their lawyer. Her name
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: was Lynn. I can't stand her. Karma got her her
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: son turned into a drug addict criminal. But our cardiologist,
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: our expert, was asked, if they had done everything right,
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: would Andrew have lived? Well, no doctor can answer that
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: one hundred percent. They're not God, and that's just what
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: the doctor said. The doctor said, well, I don't know
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: if he would have lived, but he certainly had a
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: better chance than them doing nothing. Because of that statement,
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: we had to drop the hospital. They went back to
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: court for summary judgment. They showed the judge the deposition
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: of our expert saying that he wasn't one hundred percent
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: sure that Andrew would have lived even if they had
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: brought him to the cath lab. But we did get
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: the nurses to admit under oath in the deposition that
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: they treated us differently because it was Gay Pride weekend.
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: Andrew died because of homophobia, not just a medical mistake,
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: but a societal one. Telling that story right now just
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: really killed me. I always joked that I had the
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: easy part. I lived, but watching someone you love suffer
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: from a medical mistake. The entire time I was in
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: the er, I knew, you, guys know I know a
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: lot about medicine. I knew they weren't taking it seriously.
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: They weren't listening to me or to Andrew. They weren't listening.
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: How many of you have encountered that where the doctor
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: or the er doctor or the nurse they're not listening
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: to you, and they make a mistake. Countless times during
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: his life. I had to stop them from giving him
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: drugs because I know he knew they would interact with
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: his aids medication. Countless times during his life. I had
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: to stop them from making medical mistakes countless times. No,
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: don't give him that drug, No, don't do this, No,
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: he can't do that, countless times during his life, and
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: then even in his death, that horrible morning of May
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: twenty first, two thousand and one, when the person I
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: love more than anything on this planet got taken by
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: a mistake. Now the number three cause of death in
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: the country. Would we still be together now? I don't know.
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: I was an asshole back then and I can still
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: be one. We fought a lot, and I was usually
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: the one that was wrong, although he did like to
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: play into my insecurities and that wasn't good. He thought
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: it would make me less insecure if he made me insecure,
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: and it just always led to a fight. And Andrew
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: and I had three ways because he had aids and
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: didn't want to die with me being the only person
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: he slept with. You made it clear he didn't love
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: these people or whatever, and I always had to be
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: there and be present. But when you're insecure, you never
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: really want to have a three way. I did for him,
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: but I didn't enjoy them. I know that sounds weird,
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: but they always led to more jealousy than anything else.
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: But there, he was dead in front of me, right there.
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: I couldn't wake him up. I couldn't undo it. I
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: was still out of control. Nothing that night went the
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: way that I tried to make it. I couldn't get
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: a helicopter there. I didn't know who to call. The
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: staff at the er wouldn't help me. Oh, he doesn't
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: need to be life lighted anywhere. Yes, he does. Y'all
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: are fucking up. No one would help me. Nobody would
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: help him, and nobody would help me. We were just
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: caught in this terrible, terrible mistake being made by the
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: hospital and his doctor, doctor Kushian. Later, doctor Kushian would
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: be prosecuted and go to jail for insurance fraud injecting
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: people with vitamins and charging the insurance company for these
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: expensive AIDS treatments. When he was just injecting people with vitamins,
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: doctor Kushian watched Andrew's lipids go through the roof while
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: he was on the drug protease inhibitor Kricksavan. Andrew was
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: on the study for Kricksavan. Andrew was on all of
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: the magazines and newspapers when protease inhibitors broke the drugs
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: that are now keeping AIDS patients alive. Andrew was the
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: face of those drugs. But what we now know about
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: those drugs and what deaths like Andrew brought to light
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: was that protease inhibitors shoot your cholesterol through the roof.
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: That's why even now if you go on Packslavid, they
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: tell you you can only be on it for ten days,
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: otherwise you have to have your liver tested. Why cholesterol
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: protease inhibitors raised the cholesterol, We didn't know it back then,
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: So doctor Kushian, his doctor should have been monitoring his
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: cholesterol more closely. His lipets, his triglycerides were like embers.
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: They were in the thousands. His cholesterol was four hundred
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: and eighty and the doctor didn't have him on a statin.
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: You can't take crick savan or a protease inhibitor now
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: or prep without being on a statin. Back then, we
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: didn't know another medical mistake, so we dropped the hospital.
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: I continued my suit against doctor Kushian. Six years later
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: the court said it could proceed. The mediator said to
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: me that day, arbitrator, because of you and because of Andrew,
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: thirty two cases today in the state of California moved
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: forward from other LGBTQ couples who were sub judas. They
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: hadn't been thrown out of court yet, and your case
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: allowed them to sue. I am told the case was
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: in the legal books that they teach it in law school.
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: I had a law student contact me and send me
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: the page, and it's taught in law school. His death
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: by a medical mistake matter, but it could have been prevented.
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: And in this country, we've got to thop protecting doctors
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: hospital when they're killing us in record numbers. Record.
• 29:25
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• 29:30
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• 29:41
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• 29:46
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• 29:51
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• 29:53
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• 30:06
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• 30:19
  Speaker 5: It's hard to go on right now because my heart
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: just hurts. He was such a light, such a remarkable
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: person and loved his dogs, me, his friends, his family,
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: our house, his garden, cooking. He did not like fame,
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: but he did enjoy being a talk show host. He did.
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: I remember two weeks before he died, he was in
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: the hospital for something different and I went on air
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: with April Winchel and he said to me, Oh, they're
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: already trying to replace me because I'm sick. I go,
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: No one is trying to replace you. They just didn't
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: want you know. They asked if I didn't mind having
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: April sit in instead, you know, because you were in
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: the hospital. I said, but if it bothers you, I
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: won't do the show. I'll call him sick. I called
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: him sick. It bothered him, so while he was in
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: the hospital, Corell and Andrew were off air. It didn't
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: end up being Corella and April wind Shoulder because it
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: hurt his feelings. The guy who didn't want to be
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: famous suddenly didn't want me doing a show without it.
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: It hurts that no one believed me. And when you
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: encounter a medical mistake, stick by your guns. Okay, how
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: do you stop them from happening? Question everything, make demands.
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: Andrew was already in a room. He wasn't in nurses triage.
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: He was in a room because he had gone unconscious.
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: A doctor had already seen him and then ordered the
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: e KG. When it came back abnormal, and I saw
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: it abnormal. I took the paper and went around saying,
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: where's his doctor? Get me his doctor. You know he's
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: laying here saying I'll never forget. I was being dramatic.
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: I'm like, get me the doctor. And andrews if you're
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: gonna be dramatic, go wait in the lobby. And I'm like,
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: in fact, that might have been the last thing he
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: ever said to me. It really might be. If you're
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: gonna be dramatic, go wait in the lobby, because I
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: was get the doctor here. You know, this says abnormal.
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: Get get me somebody. He's having a heart attack. He
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: says he's having Give him an aspirin, give him a clotbuster.
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: I mean, I was screaming these things. I was. I
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: was like, do something, and when they wouldn't, I was
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: trying to get him out of there. I kept leaving
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: to go outside and use the phone. I called nine
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: one one. I said, send an ambulance. I need him
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: taken to another hospital. They wouldn't because he was already
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: out of hospital. I'm all, but I'll pay I want. Oh,
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: then you have to call a private ambulance company. Nobody
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: would come get him and get him out of that hospital,
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: a hospital I brought him to at his request. I'll
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: never forget walking back in that house at six point
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: fifteen that morning, Ali and Owen ran to the back
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: door as they always do, and I walked in without
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: Andrew and the dog stayed by the garage because they're like, well,
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: where is he? And I looked at alian Owen waiting
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: there for Andrew and that was it. That was it.
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: No one in this country should go through what Andrew
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: went through and what I went through. No one. I
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: always make the joke it's called the medical practice because
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: they're practicing. They haven't gotten it right yet, and they haven't.
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: For all the wonders modern medicine can do, they make mistakes,
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: and they make mistakes often, often enough to make medical
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: mistakes the third cause of death in this country. And
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: why don't isn't more done because they're shielded from their mistakes.
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: When you see a doctor for malpractice, it's not a
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: criminal I felt they were criminally negligent. Their actions led
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: or inaction led to the death of Andrew Howard. Why
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: couldn't they be criminally prosecuted. I couldn't understand it. I
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: called the DA I'm like, if they weren't doctors, if
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: you removed the title doctor and they did actions that
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: let this person die, you would prosecute for manslaughter. But
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: because they're doctors, it's a civil issue.
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: Dead is dead.
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: If a doctor is negligent, it should be criminal not
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: civil and they were negligent. I can say it because
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: I proved it in court. Well, we never got to court.
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: My lawyer said that even though we won the right
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: to go to court in two thousand and seven.
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  Speaker 1: Show Time is here. No time to fear.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Correll is so near because show time is here.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: So on with the show. Let's give it a go.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: Correll is the one that you need to know.
• 36:08
  Speaker 8: Coral Andrew live.
• 36:24
  Speaker 9: Problem for at up you get today? Better time to
• 36:36
  Speaker 9: rob that way, do the laws Jesus cust.
• 36:51
  Speaker 10: Focus on the duo Correll and Andrew.
• 36:53
  Speaker 11: They've made radio history.
• 36:54
  Speaker 12: We're there's a new duel on the air who themselves
• 36:56
  Speaker 12: are a hot topic.
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: Their names are Coral.
• 36:58
  Speaker 11: And Andrew joining us now Correll Bulet radio talk show
• 37:02
  Speaker 11: host hosts Carrell and Andrew taking their message to anyone
• 37:06
  Speaker 11: who listen.
• 37:06
  Speaker 13: Correll and Andrew's Live.
• 37:10
  Speaker 14: No nobody recommended that I seek therapy for putting Coroll
• 37:13
  Speaker 14: and Andrew on the radio.
• 37:14
  Speaker 15: Interviewing David Hall. That's very interesting.
• 37:19
  Speaker 14: Correll says the things that need to be said. He's
• 37:20
  Speaker 14: not afraid to walk right up to someone and say
• 37:22
  Speaker 14: what he really thinks about how they look, or what
• 37:24
  Speaker 14: their opinion is, or what they believe. And Andrew cuts
• 37:27
  Speaker 14: off Correl at the knees surgically every single time.
• 37:31
  Speaker 16: It's great.
• 37:32
  Speaker 15: David Hall is a programming genius.
• 37:37
  Speaker 17: I'm Terry Raielmer in the KFI NewsCenter. When I first
• 37:40
  Speaker 17: started working with them, I started calling everyone I know
• 37:43
  Speaker 17: and I said, get me out of here, get me
• 37:45
  Speaker 17: a new job, get me a new shift, get me
• 37:47
  Speaker 17: away from these two men. They are a little strange,
• 37:50
  Speaker 17: just a little bit strange, But I started to warm
• 37:52
  Speaker 17: up to them.
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: Even though the big.
• 37:54
  Speaker 14: One dress is kind of on KFI from the very
• 37:57
  Speaker 14: beginning has been all about being different, and I I
• 38:00
  Speaker 14: had to tell you, there's nobody more different than Carell
• 38:02
  Speaker 14: and Andrew Super Dinner and number nine, number nine?
• 38:07
  Speaker 17: What are all these buttons here?
• 38:08
  Speaker 14: Number nine?
• 38:09
  Speaker 18: Okay?
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: And what kind of drink would.
• 38:11
  Speaker 18: You like with that number nine?
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: Diet coke?
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: Are you trying to cut down on your calories?
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: What isn't number nine exactly?
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: It's a philet of fish.
• 38:21
  Speaker 14: You know, that's deep Friday.
• 38:22
  Speaker 15: If you're trying to cut back on your calories, you
• 38:24
  Speaker 15: might want to go with a salad.
• 38:28
  Speaker 17: Are you sure, Rosie.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to help you.
• 38:31
  Speaker 19: The funny thing about Carell and Andrew is that it's
• 38:33
  Speaker 19: a good story. It's a good success story because Corolla
• 38:36
  Speaker 19: Andrew had not done talk radio before they were on KFI,
• 38:40
  Speaker 19: and the person who was producing them initially sort of
• 38:43
  Speaker 19: chastised Carrel for sending his tape in because he basically said,
• 38:45
  Speaker 19: you're not ready. And that's understandable that he would say
• 38:48
  Speaker 19: that because they hadn't really had any background.
• 38:50
  Speaker 14: When you look up Flamboyanton the dictionary, there is Corral's
• 38:54
  Speaker 14: bleach blonde, short, less weight than before.
• 38:58
  Speaker 19: Head and Andrew probably can tolerate much more easily not
• 39:03
  Speaker 19: being the center of attention, but is the smartest person
• 39:05
  Speaker 19: in the room.
• 39:07
  Speaker 20: Hi, my name's Mary Sulfer. I'm from Lake Charles. I
• 39:12
  Speaker 20: just love listening to y'all. It just puts me in
• 39:15
  Speaker 20: the state of rapture. Now. I have two children and
• 39:18
  Speaker 20: I was just wondering, how did y'all get started in this?
• 39:22
  Speaker 15: Well, Mary, that is a good question. I mean, I
• 39:25
  Speaker 15: was out doing my music at the time. I was
• 39:26
  Speaker 15: out singing.
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: Promoting a record. I actually did a record. When I
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: say I mean I I executive produced it, I got
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: it distributed, I did.
• 39:33
  Speaker 15: The artwork for it, had the photographs, taken everything, but
• 39:36
  Speaker 15: you know, pretty much pressed the thing myself and carry
• 39:38
  Speaker 15: it to the store. And it received some success, which
• 39:41
  Speaker 15: shocked a lot of people, and myself included. And I
• 39:44
  Speaker 15: was out touring with my show, doing it in Chicago,
• 39:47
  Speaker 15: I believe, with Grace Jones and a bunch of other people,
• 39:49
  Speaker 15: and John Jellydan Benitez saw me. He really helped Madonna.
• 39:53
  Speaker 15: He was instrumental in her early career. And who didn't
• 39:56
  Speaker 15: want to be Madonna?
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: How could.
• 40:10
  Speaker 18: My My name is Myrna, and I'm a thirty something
• 40:16
  Speaker 18: meter hair addresser from Montclair, And I was just wondering, Andrews,
• 40:19
  Speaker 18: do you mind that Carrel is always talking over you
• 40:22
  Speaker 18: and he's much more flamboyant than you are.
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: Well, Myrna and n his hair.
• 40:27
  Speaker 15: But let me tell you, Andrew is quite happy with
• 40:29
  Speaker 15: the spotlight that he gets. I mean, Andrew's a stay
• 40:31
  Speaker 15: at home writer.
• 40:32
  Speaker 12: And Andrew is a writer.
• 40:34
  Speaker 10: Andrew, I understand that you actually wrote a children's novel.
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah come actually yeah.
• 40:39
  Speaker 15: As an entertainment journalist for the last twenty years, I
• 40:42
  Speaker 15: still write for Billboard Magazine. I'm their soundtrack and film
• 40:44
  Speaker 15: score editor. I got to tell you, Andrew is a
• 40:47
  Speaker 15: very prolific writer. He really really is. He's just completed
• 40:50
  Speaker 15: his second children's novel, and then he's written several screenplays,
• 40:54
  Speaker 15: and they're all very very good that their storylines are
• 40:56
  Speaker 15: a bit of on follow. I think some of his
• 40:57
  Speaker 15: best work are these two stage plays that he's written
• 41:00
  Speaker 15: specifically for me. I mean, you don't know what it's
• 41:03
  Speaker 15: like to have a partner so dedicated to progressing your
• 41:06
  Speaker 15: talent and your future that they take the time to
• 41:08
  Speaker 15: write two very good projects for you to start in.
• 41:11
  Speaker 15: When someone does that for you, how do you repay
• 41:13
  Speaker 15: that kindness except by taking that work and making it
• 41:16
  Speaker 15: the absolute best that it can be. Hey, f I
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  Speaker 15: am six forty more stimulating talk radio.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: It is Carol Andrew Live.
• 41:23
  Speaker 15: I am Corral, I'm Andrew and Weird.
• 41:25
  Speaker 11: It's seven PM at one of the nation's most popular
• 41:27
  Speaker 11: talk radio stations.
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: Like a thirteen year old girl who did not have
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: to die her.
• 41:32
  Speaker 11: Posts Carell and Andrew talk about the same things all
• 41:34
  Speaker 11: talk show hosts talk about, but these hosts are different.
• 41:38
  Speaker 11: They are gay, and they're a couple.
• 41:40
  Speaker 14: Well, they're a couple, they're how do you say, man
• 41:45
  Speaker 14: and husband, boyfriend and boyfriend?
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 41:48
  Speaker 21: Now their rise in talk radio is absolutely meteoric. They've
• 41:51
  Speaker 21: taken over the coveted afternoon drive time spot on kfive
• 41:54
  Speaker 21: and oh yeah, they're gay and they are life partners for.
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: A uniquely gay point of view.
• 42:00
  Speaker 12: For the first time ever anywhere in the country, an
• 42:02
  Speaker 12: openly gay male couple now half an afternoon show.
• 42:05
  Speaker 8: The first openly gay couple to ever host a radio
• 42:08
  Speaker 8: talk show, Corell and Andrew took over there.
• 42:11
  Speaker 10: Hey, I have to ask you, guys, because I know
• 42:12
  Speaker 10: you're a couple on the air and off the air.
• 42:14
  Speaker 10: That must be really difficult to have to work together
• 42:17
  Speaker 10: all day and then go home and have to live
• 42:19
  Speaker 10: with each other.
• 42:20
  Speaker 22: No, no, it's pretty easy.
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: I just don't speak to him, Yeah, exactly.
• 42:23
  Speaker 15: You know, if I had a dime for every time
• 42:24
  Speaker 15: someone asked us about this, living and working together, living
• 42:26
  Speaker 15: and working together, how do you not kill each other?
• 42:28
  Speaker 15: I think the people that ask those questions are people
• 42:30
  Speaker 15: that are in bad relationships. I mean, we are so
• 42:33
  Speaker 15: strong together.
• 42:35
  Speaker 23: You know.
• 42:35
  Speaker 13: Now I have to stay with this pool.
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: You know, we were in the works of a divorce
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: and any day I gotta get rid of it.
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: It's terrible.
• 42:43
  Speaker 15: And we always hear about the gay agenda. No one
• 42:45
  Speaker 15: ever carbon coffee us on that.
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: So I'm not sure what it is.
• 42:47
  Speaker 22: Yeah, I'm not quite.
• 42:48
  Speaker 24: I thought it was go to the.
• 42:49
  Speaker 15: Gym, workout, buy some flower to get some new draperies,
• 42:51
  Speaker 15: shampoo the rug, have a fabulous dinner, and go to work.
• 42:53
  Speaker 11: But Carell and Andrews say there's been a backlash to
• 42:56
  Speaker 11: going mainstream. They get more hate mail now from gay
• 42:59
  Speaker 11: people than straight because they apparently don't toe the traditionally
• 43:03
  Speaker 11: radical party line.
• 43:04
  Speaker 13: It was a part of the problem that Ellen had.
• 43:07
  Speaker 13: She felt the big burden that the entire gay community
• 43:10
  Speaker 13: put upon her as to be the representative for everyone.
• 43:14
  Speaker 13: But you know, gay people are made up of everybody,
• 43:17
  Speaker 13: and we have completely different views than the mainstream gay community.
• 43:21
  Speaker 22: So you're trying to say that a family value is
• 43:23
  Speaker 22: a wife at home who's pregnant a man.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: No, that's what I'm saying.
• 43:28
  Speaker 22: We'll never about his slippers, He'll no, I'll say that.
• 43:30
  Speaker 15: We'll never have that family. That family does not exist.
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: It exists only on television.
• 43:34
  Speaker 22: But what you're saying is that that's what they consider
• 43:37
  Speaker 22: family values. Yes, a woman who stays at home and
• 43:40
  Speaker 22: who has children and plays cards with the I truly
• 43:44
  Speaker 22: believe that George W.
• 43:45
  Speaker 15: Bush would would like to see families go back to that.
• 43:47
  Speaker 15: And if your daughter gets pregnant, she carries it to Termine,
• 43:50
  Speaker 15: you raise it there in the house. His ideal of
• 43:52
  Speaker 15: what a family is is that leave it to beaver mentality.
• 43:55
  Speaker 15: I don't think he's modernized his view.
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: How could he look at the family he grew up in.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: Hi.
• 44:01
  Speaker 23: I'm Margaret from Miami Beach and listen. As a single woman,
• 44:04
  Speaker 23: I find it hard to get everything done in a
• 44:06
  Speaker 23: twenty four hour period. So I'd like to ask Coron
• 44:08
  Speaker 23: Andrew just one thing about time, and that is, since
• 44:10
  Speaker 23: you guys spend a lot of time traveling, going on location,
• 44:13
  Speaker 23: doing all kinds of things, what would you like to
• 44:15
  Speaker 23: spend more time doing?
• 44:16
  Speaker 15: You know, it's been an interesting journey from point A
• 44:19
  Speaker 15: to point B, all the little stops along the way,
• 44:22
  Speaker 15: and I don't think we're at point C yet. So
• 44:24
  Speaker 15: we're writing a book called Guarded Optimism, Andrew and I
• 44:26
  Speaker 15: chronicles our journeys along the way. So when get that finished,
• 44:30
  Speaker 15: get it out, get it published, then of course we're
• 44:32
  Speaker 15: going to get Andrew's screenplays actually produced as films, I mean,
• 44:36
  Speaker 15: because every single one of them deserves to be a film.
• 44:38
  Speaker 15: So we've got to get those produced and get those
• 44:40
  Speaker 15: out there, and then I would really like to go
• 44:42
  Speaker 15: into television much more, you know, maybe even do a
• 44:45
  Speaker 15: talk show, move over Rossio, Donald Oprah, here comes Carrell
• 44:47
  Speaker 15: sort of thing, and get into feature films. I really
• 44:50
  Speaker 15: feel that Hollywood is ready, you know, I think Hollywood
• 44:53
  Speaker 15: wasn't ready, but now with the success of Will and
• 44:56
  Speaker 15: Grace and Ellen and everything else, I think that Hollywood
• 44:58
  Speaker 15: is really ready for someone as you unique as myself
• 45:01
  Speaker 15: and as a duo, a duo as interesting as Andrew
• 45:04
  Speaker 15: and I. So the sky is really the limit when
• 45:07
  Speaker 15: it comes to what's next.
• 45:16
  Speaker 11: Perhaps most surprising to Corella and andrews that one of
• 45:18
  Speaker 11: their fans is doctor.
• 45:20
  Speaker 15: Laura, because our show is really about giving people what
• 45:24
  Speaker 15: they want to know.
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: Well, there that was we were something, and a medical
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: mistake took that from me, just like a medical mistake
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: could take that from you.
• 45:50
  Speaker 7: Now.
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: I don't like to argue with James Snabel because he's
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: smarter than I am, but I will disagree with him
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: on one thing. He's a longtime listener who is in
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: the chat room and in the medical field. To him,
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: he believes that criminal negligence is completely different from malpractice.
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: I disagree. I totally disagree. If you take out a
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: gun and you accidentally shoot someone you didn't mean to,
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: You didn't know it was loaded, you pointed out them,
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: you think it's empty, you fire it and they die,
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: you will be criminally charged with negligent manslaughter. You should
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: have checked the gun. You should have checked. You made
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: a mistake, but that mistake resulted in someone's death. That
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: is the term manslaughter. We give doctors a pass on
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: that because we know they're going to make mistakes, because
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: they're human, and sometimes their mistakes are going to end
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: someone's life. It is the number three cause of death
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: in the country, and to air is human, you know,
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: But the degree of the mistake should be taken into consideration.
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: It really should be. Doctors every day are overtaxing their schedules.
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: They're not spending enough time with patients. Now they're using
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: AI and they're making mistakes that result in someone's disability
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: or death, and all they have to do is pay
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: a fine. That's it, not even them, Their insurance company
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: pays a fine. They walk. They shouldn't. There should be
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: some come up in if someone makes repeated mistakes that
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: ends in someone dying. The medical profession protects itself from you.
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: Now I learned that firsthand. Try to sue a doctor
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: you can't even find, do you know what a the
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: hardest things to find is a lawyer for a malpractice case.
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: Look at my shingles the vaccine. I couldn't find anybody
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: to sue Glaxo Smith Klein. When they never said that
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: I could get muscle fisticulations or meningitis from the vaccine,
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: A medical mistake was made. I was not informed what
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: the vaccine could do to me, and I couldn't sue anybody.
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: So I live with a leg that constantly moves. I
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: lived with the fear of als, the terror of not
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: knowing what was going to happen next hospitalization for meningitis,
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: all because a doctor never told me that could happen.
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: We have got to reform the medical system in this
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: country so that medical mistakes are not the number three
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: cause of death.
• 48:57
  Speaker 21: We have to.
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: Because whatever we got going on now is not working.
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: Whatever system we have now to protect you from medical errors,
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: it's not working because they're the number three cause of death.
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: So many times in a hospital. When I was in
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: for my heart in April a year ago, they wanted
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: to give me drugs that my cardiologist said no to.
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: I called him before they injected me with the drugs.
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: He said, no, do not let them give you amiodorone. No,
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: do not take metropolol. And they were just ready to
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: just load me up. When I went in for meningitis,
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: they wanted me to be on hepron because they give
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: everybody in the hospital hepron. Hepron is a severe blood thinner.
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: It causes major side effects. I wasn't there for that.
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: I was there for meningitis. I didn't need hepron. I
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: refused it.
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: They got mad.
• 50:03
  Speaker 5: I'm like, you're not giving me heprin. I don't need
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: a blood thinner. I'm on an aspirin. I don't need
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: a blood thinner. I'm here for meningitis. They got angry.
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: I can't tell you how many times I made them
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: angry with Andrew as I insisted on being there at
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: every test. I was there for every scan, every biopsy, everything,
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: I was there. It was my right and I did it.
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: And I can't tell you how many mistakes I saw.
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: We have to protect ourselves because there's no accountability. Nurse
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: makes a mistakes to get trendfer them to a different wards.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: Now it's show.
• 51:12
  Speaker 12: Because on the it's made radio history where there's a
• 51:15
  Speaker 12: new duel on the air who themselves are a hot topic.
• 51:17
  Speaker 13: Their names are Corolla and Andrew, a.
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: Stimulating talk radio.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: It is Carol and Andrew Live. I am Corral and
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: I'm Andrew.
• 51:23
  Speaker 12: Weird.
• 51:24
  Speaker 11: It's seven pm at one of the nation's most popular
• 51:26
  Speaker 11: talk radio stations.
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: Like a thirteen year old girl who did not have
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: to die.
• 51:30
  Speaker 11: Her post Carell and Andrew talk about the same things
• 51:33
  Speaker 11: all talk show hosts talk about, but these hosts are different.
• 51:37
  Speaker 11: They are gay, and they're a couple.
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: Well they're a.
• 51:40
  Speaker 14: Couple, they're how do you say man and husband, boyfriend
• 51:45
  Speaker 14: and boyfriend?
• 51:46
  Speaker 18: I don't know.
• 51:47
  Speaker 21: Now their rise in talk radio is absolutely meteoric. They've
• 51:50
  Speaker 21: taken over the coveted afternoon drive time spot on KFI
• 51:53
  Speaker 21: and oh yeah, they're gay and they are life partners.
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: For a uniquely gay point of view.
• 51:59
  Speaker 12: For the first time ever anywhere in the country, an
• 52:01
  Speaker 12: openly gay male couple now has an afternoon show.
• 52:04
  Speaker 8: The first openly gay couple to ever host a radio
• 52:07
  Speaker 8: talk show.
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: Coroll and Andrew took over there.
• 52:10
  Speaker 10: Hey, I have to ask you, guys, because I know
• 52:11
  Speaker 10: you're a couple on the air and off the air.
• 52:13
  Speaker 10: That must be really difficult to have to work together
• 52:16
  Speaker 10: all day and then go home and have to live
• 52:18
  Speaker 10: with each other.
• 52:19
  Speaker 24: No, no, it's pretty easy.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: I just don't speak to him.
• 52:21
  Speaker 5: Yes, since you've been.
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: Away, I've been down and lonely. Since you've been away.
• 52:51
  Speaker 5: I've been thinking, are you.
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: Trying to understand the reasons you left me? What were
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: you going through? Ooh, I'm missing you tell me why
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: the rotor? Ho missard? You tell me why the road.
• 53:30
  Speaker 6: H h.
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: As I look.
• 53:40
  Speaker 24: Around, Luffy things that remind me just to see a
• 53:46
  Speaker 24: smile made my heart fill winch. I still recall all
• 53:53
  Speaker 24: those drink machetes together.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: Where did you run to?
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: Oom?
• 54:04
  Speaker 17: Missing?
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: You tell me why the wrotto? I'm missing? You tell
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: me our wrotor.
• 54:23
  Speaker 24: Sometimes I wondered I didn't understand.
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: Just where you were trying to go well, only you
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: knew the plane and I tried to be there, but
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: you wouldn't let me in. And now you're gone away anyboy?
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: I feel so broken heart to do the day we started,
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: that we were meant to be falling?
• 54:51
  Speaker 6: Who would let me?
• 54:54
  Speaker 24: I cried so many tears, gotta face down all my peers.
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: That drops the boy. You need to buy he had
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: to die. I have so much hope.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 55:32
  Speaker 18: No no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 55:38
  Speaker 9: Oh.
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: I'm missing you.
• 55:43
  Speaker 16: Tell me why Romster A time I'm miss you. Tell
• 55:54
  Speaker 16: me why the road?
• 55:58
  Speaker 9: Tell me tell me why?
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: Tell me you why?
• 56:06
  Speaker 6: Mister?
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: Tell me?
• 56:08
  Speaker 23: Tell me?
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: Tell me tell me why?
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: Tell me why the Roadlesster.
• 56:25
  Speaker 5: And like so much in my life, it becomes a
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: topic twenty five years later, a topic to talk about
• 56:34
  Speaker 5: medical mistakes, something I learned about firsthand. I hope none
• 56:40
  Speaker 5: of you ever have to sing a song like that
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: because someone you love was taken by a mistake. We
• 56:48
  Speaker 5: need to address that in this country. We need better reform,
• 56:52
  Speaker 5: We need better accountability. Everybody should have a patient advocate
• 56:56
  Speaker 5: that goes with them, a mother, brother, sister, cousin, neighbor,
• 57:00
  Speaker 5: question everything, don't worry about being annoying. Don't worry about
• 57:06
  Speaker 5: being a squeaky wheel. If you have a question about
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: the care you're getting, If you don't like the care
• 57:13
  Speaker 5: you're getting, ask to speak to the doctor's boss, Ask
• 57:17
  Speaker 5: to speak to the chief of staff. If you don't
• 57:21
  Speaker 5: like the hospital you're at, go to another one. This
• 57:25
  Speaker 5: is your life. Before you take any medication the doctor
• 57:29
  Speaker 5: gives you, double check it against all the medication you
• 57:32
  Speaker 5: already take. Use AI, use chat, GPT, type in the
• 57:36
  Speaker 5: medication that you've been prescribed and what you're already on.
• 57:40
  Speaker 5: Make sure there's no interactions. Question, get answers before. Don't
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: be silent. So many people are afraid to question their doctor,
• 57:53
  Speaker 5: question their nurse. They're afraid to ask for bosses, for
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: chiefs of staff, for the charge nurse. Don't be afraid
• 58:04
  Speaker 5: advocate for yourself and for anybody else, because it is
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: only through patient advocacy. It is only through you looking
• 58:15
  Speaker 5: out and for others looking out for you that will
• 58:18
  Speaker 5: reduce the numbers of mistakes. And yes, there should be
• 58:22
  Speaker 5: criminal prosecution. I know that's unpopular, but if a doctor
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: makes three mistakes that end in depth, perhaps his license
• 58:32
  Speaker 5: should be pulled. I am Corel be who you want
• 58:36
  Speaker 5: to be. So long doesn't hurt you, buddy, I love you,
• 58:38
  Speaker 5: Andrew Howard still thank you for the family.
• 58:41
  Speaker 6: You gave me.
• 58:42
  Speaker 5: No show on Monday because it's a Memorial Day and
• 58:44
  Speaker 5: you're going to go have a good time. They don't
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: be listening to a podcast. Go have fun. We'll see
• 58:50
  Speaker 5: you on Tuesday and tomorrow. There is a this Gay Week.
• 58:54
  Speaker 6: It's broadcasting from a completely different point of view, yours.
• 59:00
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• 59:10
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• 59:15
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• 59:18
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• 59:20
  Speaker 1: View, yours.
• 59:23
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• 59:33
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