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Concerns with Mark Gronowski? NFL Hall of Fame candidates & Trent's Picks presented by Circa Sports · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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I'm Miller Condon, welcome back. Hour number two, Iowa Sports
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Radio Network, Trent Condon, Ken Miller with you until 2:00.
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Bad news if you're hoping to hear David Kaplan.
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We were hoping to speak with David Kaplan.
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He just got pulled into a meeting.
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I guess there's some changes afoot at ESPN 1000.
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I did see a tweet earlier this morning some of their show hours
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are changing over in Chicago with Cappy Station.
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He's still going to be a part of it.
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So he's still going to do mornings, but I think he's now 6
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to 9, but just got in, got pulled into an all staff
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meeting. So we'd like to postpone and
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join us tomorrow. So that's fine with us.
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We'll get the Kappy prior to the finale of the Brewers 5 game
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series. That's an afternoon tilt
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tomorrow coming up here at 1:20. So one thing that I had for
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Kappy was with Kyle Tucker sitting out yesterday.
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Yep. And apparently today.
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Yes, if you're doing this, why don't you just put him on the
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IL? You can put him on the 10 day
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IL, you can get some relief and possibly bring somebody up
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'cause they didn't play him yesterday.
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Nope. They didn't pitch him.
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Nope. Completely gave him a day off.
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Yep, and this is likely what it's going to be going forward.
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If you're gonna do this, doesn't it make more sense just to put
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him on the? IL bring up by esteros right one
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of the Cantara down that's down here that's tearing the cover
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off the ball or or a relief pitcher.
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He is hitting 189. He's awful, Trent.
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His OPS is 560. That is worse than a Rafael
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Belliard. This is.
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This would dominate that number. I know.
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Has he forgotten this is his walk here?
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Right. The amount of money that he's
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cost him, my God, we're talking about 1/2 billion dollars for
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him. You see time after time after
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time, guys in their last year of their contract just go out of
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their minds, but in a positive fashion.
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That hasn't been the case with now.
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He got off to a great start, He got off to a great start.
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He's still an adventure and right field to me.
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He takes some of the worst paths to get the balls.
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I just keep one of these times he's going to miss one I but he
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they. I think I think council who I'm
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not a big fan of. I wish David Ross was still
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there. I, I, I, I, I think he's doing
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the right thing by putting him on the bench.
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I really do. Because he's just lost at the
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plate right now and he's frustrated.
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Maybe a couple of days. Watch it or maybe take 10 days
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off as you've suggested. Bring somebody up, let him, you
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know, let him sit and Stew and marinate for another one.
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Because let's be honest, if this team is going to go anywhere and
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has aspirations of making a run in October, Kyle Tucker has to
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be. Kyle Tucker say he just has to
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be. And if he's not, I don't he's.
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That. Good of a player, but right now
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he's just in one of these historically bad spots and he
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needs the time off. This is an intriguing one.
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Tonight you have Mizarowski against Colin Ray against Colin
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Ray. Who's been way better than
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anybody? Thought yes, but give him
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credit. Inconsistent.
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You don't know. Sure, but you're going to get 5
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or 6 most days on here. With Mizarowski, who was awful.
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Brutal. Yep, in his comebacker.
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Against Cincinnati and now if you get this one, all of a
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sudden does it start to tighten up a little bit?
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You still got to win both these next two, right?
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And that's. Then that you would have made-up
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three games in the standings. You're you're entering play
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today 7UP. If you get the next two you'd be
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5 up. As as these teams will go their
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separate race for the remainder of the regular season, they
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don't play each other again. So here are the odds to win the
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division currently from Baseball Prospectus. 86% chance for
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Milwaukee, 13 1/2 percent chance for the Cubs.
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But to win those next two, well, maybe we'll have that
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conversation on Friday. Let's hope we have that
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conversation. What do you think it would drop
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to 65? No, not that low.
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No, it's still, I would stay more like 7822, something like
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that. Yeah, it's not going to improve
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that much. Still five games back with how
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many to play still incredibly difficult for that.
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So we're inside 40 games, right? Yeah, doing a little bit of
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math. Yes, 35, about 35 games left in
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the regular season, somewhere around there.
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Going to be tough. Team split about 125.
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That's about the range right now.
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So going to be going to be tough for him to catch him.
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So a little, a little more than 40 left.
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Likewise in the American League East, can the Yankees catch
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Toronto? I don't think so they're.
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Five up, but the Jays had There's actually 6 up because
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Toronto has the tiebreaker. Oh, they do.
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They do. They've got the tiebreaker,
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they've got a three-game series left, but I don't think it
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matters because they've already got the season, Series 1.
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The Yankees are mashing nine home runs last night.
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You think they're gonna be able to do that?
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And obviously Judge coming back and what they're going to be
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able to do offensively, it just comes down to the staff.
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Freed has not been great recently.
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Rodon, he's an adventurer. And then after that, like, like
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there's some upside with some of those young guys like Schlitter,
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right? Yep.
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You can see it. But it's so inconsistent at this
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point. No, I'm with you.
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I want to go back to something. Then let's let's switch gears
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entirely. Let's talk about the Hawkeyes in
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football and, and you've and, and some of our voices that help
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us out been kind of tiptoeing around this topic a little.
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Bit OK. When it comes to the quarterback
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position, yeah, who apparently was named the starting
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quarterback yesterday. Right.
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I like Pete Nakos too, but come on, like.
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This was ever a question, yes. Breaking.
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News I was expected to name, but but regardless of that, what's
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this, what's this fall camp been like?
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Has it been, has it met expectations?
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Were they realistic to begin with or is there concern at the
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quarterback position at the University of Iowa?
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And maybe a part and parcel is based on recent memory.
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I think. Is that is the McNamara bad
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taste still in some people's mouths?
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There's a lot of that. So I think there's a lot of kind
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of layers to this and it's a very detailed kind of thing that
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you laid out 'cause you brought up a couple of different things
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and I think they're all play into it.
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A number one at the beginning camp.
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When camp started, I heard right away he's rusty and it's the old
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ad had shaken off the rust, but it was apparent.
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But we heard a lot of positive June, July.
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Absolute camps because he's a Ference guy.
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He's not. He's not Kate McNamara, who was
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different, a different kind of leader.
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Not the kind of leader that wasn't the leader, no.
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And we saw what kind of leader he was.
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He's the guy that quit on his team, right?
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But the background of Mark Ronowski just as a dude, right?
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He's Kurt Francis, kind of, yeah.
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He's the kind of kid that he absolutely loves to have as his
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quarterback. That's what I think definitely
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put him up there. But when he came back, it was
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rough and I heard things were ironed out.
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But then you go to the spring practice or the open practice,
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Kids Day, really good early on and then struggles.
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Then when they had their scrimmage last Saturday, some
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shaky moments again. Heard that as well.
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I think it is a part where maybe our expectations because we
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heard so many good things and it was never about him physically,
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right? It was always leadership kind of
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things, those kind of things, how he's acclimating himself.
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We got the leadership council that came out the other day.
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He was already on that, one of the 15 players that were named
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to that. It was that part him as a
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passer, those numbers took a step back last year.
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He has never been the most accurate passer.
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What separates him is his running ability is I will
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willing to do that with him because to unlock all what Mark
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Radowski is. He has to run.
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He has to run the football. Yeah, I think you have to.
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And and you know, one of the reasons I think you're more
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comfortable with him doing that is I believe, I believe because
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we've seen him play a little bit in the SEC that you have a
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competent guy behind him should there be an injury to your
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starting. Quarterback.
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'Cause everything you hear is they absolutely are in love with
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Hank Brown, which is, which is a positive on a couple of fronts.
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I think is big of a positive is he's there for this year should
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he be needed. But then when when it comes time
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to replenishing your roster after this year, you no longer
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have to shop in the quarterback aisle.
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Maybe right where they've had to spend a lot of time as of late.
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But I'm starting to I, I guess I didn't expect to to hear any
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missteps or any, any you know, but but but in, in fall camp
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when it comes to the when it comes to the starting
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quarterback. And I've been surprised by that
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too. I I'm right there with you
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because I thought it wasn't going to be perfect.
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However, there's been a lot more of those kind of rumblings that
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have been out there and it's been starting to seep through.
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Does it change our expectation level of what this passing game
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is going to be? I think so.
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A little bit for me and maybe look, when we do this every day,
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when you talk about a team every day like we do play the hits,
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right, you start to build them up in a certain way.
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And I think with Mark Gronowski I did that.
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If we see the physical runner, if we see the things, those
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intangible things, yeah, he can get there.
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But the passing game maybe still not going to be completely
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unlocked this season. What's the.
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Perfect week one for him against Albany.
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High completion percentage and. No missteps 12 of 15.
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Yeah, 200 yards, couple of touchdowns.
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Yeah. Runs for 35 maybe?
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Yep, and is out of there in the middle.
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Of third quarter, that's a perfect, that's a perfect debut.
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They race out to what's. A realistic debut. 8 of 14106
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yards. One touchdown 1.
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Interception and a lot of angst leading in.
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Two Seihawks, yes. It'll be somewhere in the middle
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of that. Probably so.
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Now, remember two years ago when Kate McNamara thrust onto the
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scene? Hell, last year, last year
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against Illinois State, he was great.
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It looked like, all right, he's healthy.
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Yep, he's figured it out. Draw.
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A line through that last year, This is this is a different guy.
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Yeah, No, he wasn't. That wasn't the case.
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We'll overreact because that's what we do.
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What thing do we know how bad Albany's gonna be?
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No, I haven't even looked. At you know it.
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I I just can't bring. I haven't even looked at them.
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We've talked about how difficult it is just in general for the
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college football that we talk about.
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Is there a point spread put out for that game yet?
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37 1/2. Jesus, yeah.
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Iowa favored by 37 1/2 against anybody.
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I think that says a lot about the Great Danes if I was favored
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by that much in the opener. How many times in the last
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couple of years have they scored 37 1/2 it?
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Was better. Last year, high watermark, they
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scored forty against Washington Northwestern and they put 42 on
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Wisconsin. That that blows me away they
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did. So they did surpass that number
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three times last year and including three or four games.
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The only one they did was that lost at Spartyville when they
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got picked off by Michigan State.
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But to be favored by that, Oh, they did Illinois State too.
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They put up 40 even against Illinois State.
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That was different. That was much different.
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That's when we saw Vanderzee for the first.
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Oh yeah, 2 touchdowns in that game he was.
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Unbelievable in that game. And they raced out the second,
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first half against Iowa State and like, look at this offense.
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And then McNamara threw that pick back across the field.
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And then Jalen Noel was wide open behind the coverage.
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And it was a different game and really a different season after
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that. Fair should have tried to kick
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field goal at the end of the game, by the way.
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Got in field goal range and and and and tried to kick field goal
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against Iowa State. McNamara couldn't get.
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It he couldn't throw it to the. End zone.
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He couldn't get it to the end zone from the 50 right?
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Try try the field goal. And he couldn't do it.
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The other big question for Iowa football?
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You know, I was talking with this earlier today with one of
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my friends, TJ Hall. We've heard nothing but great
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things, right? Yep.
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But until we see it, I mean, don't we need some kind of proof
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of concept? And then still Deshaun Lee was
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saving me in every video is getting beat by Vanderzee and
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every video that I will football.
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That's good and bad. Right.
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He could play both sides of that one.
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They bring in barrels from South Dakota.
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Did you hear much about him at the open practice?
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He didn't. Kind of.
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No, still getting acclimated. About Shire.
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Yes, that quarterback spot last year, Iowa for their standards.
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Was way bad. It was.
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They stunk from the standard that Phil Parker has built.
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They were bad. It's not fair because they're
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still a top 20. Defense.
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Yeah, because Riley Moss isn't there and Cooper to Jean's not
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there. But they've been able to plug
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and play, and that was not the case a year ago.
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And now you're going with TJ Hall, who, and he's been toast a
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lot of times in his career, and he's your number one.
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And Sean Lee is not real big. And Rashid Barrows come in from
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South Dakota and he hasn't separated himself.
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If all of a sudden we go back to the same tried and true.
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Because this year you have a linebacker group that's new.
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You got quarterbacks that have question marks.
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Xavier Wampa, Can you believe what we're hearing that well?
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I want to, but we haven't seen it yet.
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But we also know the kid 'cause he's a local kid, We've watched
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him grow up. He was a stud at the high school
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level. But all those stars beside his
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name for a reason. But it hasn't happened.
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And suddenly in his schedule that now has Iowa State with
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Rocco Beck and Indiana with Mendoza and Oregon and Penn
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State an hour and teams that are going to be able to throw the
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football. Yeah, and Rayola is Iowa.
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Going to be in a spot where they're going to have to win
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some games 3430. So are you leading in the in the
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first hour of the program you made a 10 and two case for Iowa
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State. I don't think you believe that,
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but you said you could make. That I can make the.
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Case you could get them there. I think that's how you phrased
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it. Can you get Iowa to six and six?
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I mean, can you have them fall to six and six?
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No doubt. Could you have them fall to 5:00
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and 7:00? Don't think so.
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I don't think so. Lost at Iowa State.
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That would go a long way to 5:00 and 7:00, or certainly in that
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direction. Yep.
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The stretch, I think they go to Rutgers I.
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Farence. See, I think that's a tougher
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spot than you, than you get credit for.
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It's just because Farence has been so good on Fridays, he has
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not just the Nebraska game, but just in general that the way he
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has it set up, well, he understands what they do.
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But Indiana, Wisconsin, they're not winning both those games.
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No, yeah, they're going to be Wisconsin.
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On the road at Camp Randall. Yes.
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I just just, I think they're awful.
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How do you how is Wisconsin awful?
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The schedule's difficult. That's that's.
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Part that's maybe the reason #1. All right, who did?
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The Who did the Rutgers play? I should remember this.
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Who did they play in their bowl game last year?
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I don't remember. We should remember this.
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It was a Big 12 team. Oh.
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Really. IA bowl game?
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Well, it was. Was it the pinstripe?
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I think it was. It was K state.
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It was K State 40. 4:40. One, yeah, you're right.
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It was K It was K state. And Calic.
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Manus. How did he do?
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He went 14 of 32 for 237. He's back.
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He's not good. How did they stay in this Game
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Boy? I'm just looking at the box
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score. Jeffrey Johnson 3 touchdown
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passes Dylan Edwards averaged over. 7 yards a carry last year.
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He's good. He's really good.
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That's another reason I like K State this weekend.
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Need an offensive line to block. Them Well, you do, but but Iowa
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State needs the defensive front to tackle.
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Them back to Iowa, trying to find 6 losses on the schedule.
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I think you can get there all right.
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So we got 2 even through that stretch, which is their easiest
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stretch of the year, the front half of the year.
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So you got to find a way. Could they lose four more of
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these games? Penn State 1 Minnesota No Peter
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Mckinnick last time they were there.
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No. Oregon 2 USC on the road. 3.
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Michigan State, Nope. At Nebraska, Ding, Ding, Ding,
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that's four. That's four.
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That's six losses without really stretching in a big time way.
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Boy the. Vegas has got their number right
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on, isn't it? It should be 7 and five.
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I think Iowa State should be 7 and five.
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They're both 7:00 and 5:00, which is where they're listed.
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USC, Oregon, Penn State, Nebraska.
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How many of the how many of the Rutgers, Indiana, Wisconsin you
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got to lose to Iowa State? That's 5.
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And then one of those 3. And then one of those three at
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Rutgers on a Friday home against Indiana, who a lot of people
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don't think is going to take that big of a step back.
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I do maybe, ma'am. I I don't think they're a
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playoff team. I think they're going to be OK.
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Eight and four there. That's where I am with India.
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Yes, they're still going to be, which for Indiana football, I
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mean, that's one of the high watermarks of that football
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program. Wisconsin's schedule.
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Is it daunting? Week 3 Alabama, Week 4 Maryland,
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all right. And then week 5 Michigan, then
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Iowa. How about this?
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How about this for how about this?
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How about this? Where's the breather?
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Let me just run through this. I know that there's a buy in
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here. Michigan.
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Uh huh. At Michigan, home to Iowa, home
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to Ohio State at Oregon, home to Washington at Indiana, home to
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Illinois at Minnesota. Where's the breather?
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Well, that's a win. Where's the well, there's a win.
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There isn't. There isn't.
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No, they're going to be bad. What's their total?
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Is it 5-5 and 1/2? 5 1/2 Yeah, there's no.
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Way they're winning 5 1/2, there's no way they're winning
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six games to lose that bet. No way.
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Jeff Grimes comes in. Jeff Grimes has done great work
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as an offensive play caller. What he did at Kansas.
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You were impressed by The Jayhawks a couple of years ago
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and Jeff Grimes was a reason for that.
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What also unleashes the Jeff Grimes offense?
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It's not Billy Edwards, the Maryland transfer quarterback.
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It's a quarterback that can run. What is Billy Edwards greatest
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strength? I'm not sure he has one.
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Well, he ran for seven touchdowns 2 years ago in a part
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time role, ran for five more last year in a part time role.
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He can run the football. So he.
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Can't win the Maryland job and he's going to leave Wisconsin.
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I'm not saying that Wisconsin's going to be great or even good,
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but to say that they're going to be terrible?
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I think you got him bowling. Is a stretch.
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I think they're 5:00 and 7:00, but even at 5:00 and 7:00.
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With that schedule, that's not. Bad.
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You can still be a good football team.
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That's my push back. The record's not going to
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indicate it that this is a good team.
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However, they spent heavily in the portal.
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They brought in a new left tackle.
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They're getting back to Wisconsin football, physical,
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tough up front. Question is defensively if they
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can get there because they were not that and you're going maybe
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that's the biggest one. Nobody transfers.
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They brought in though, on the defensive side of the football.
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How many? 15 Jesus.
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They went wholesale. They did.
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They invested heavily on that defense.
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A lot of fifth year guys, a lot of guys coming in for their
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final go around. We'll see if it works.
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I think they're going to be not record wise, but they're going
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to be a better team than you do. Based on the schedule is so
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difficult, it is all right. We'll take your time out.
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Come back Miller and Condon talking sports with you.
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Glad you're with us on the Iowa Sports Radio Network.
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weekend. Real quick on this, since we're
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talking Vegas or since I brought it up, Jimmy Vaccaro, long time
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odds maker. If you've been on sports, if
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you've been to Vegas over the years, you probably know his
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name. You know his brother, right?
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Sonny Vaccaro, who is his Nike? Did he sign Jordan?
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I think he convinced Nike to sign Jordan back in the day and
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he was involved in basketball, etcetera.
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His younger brother Jimmy, bookmaker for 50 years.
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He is credited when he became famous when he put up Buster
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Douglas at 42 to one to beat Mike Tyson and Buster Douglas
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did. And in fact, wasn't that the
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name of the 30 for 30 or whatever the they did a piece on
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Buster Douglas, one of those 30 for 30s on ESPNI think, and I
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think it was called 42 to one. Oh really?
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I think it was anyways, so he put up that price when he was
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the bookmaker at the at The Mirage.
21:09
But he's credited with, I don't know if inventing, but first of
21:13
the first one to ever offer wind totals.
21:17
Wind totals first. Dude that came up with this idea
21:20
back in the late 80s. Apparently some rich Texan
21:24
showed up. It was Jimmy Johnson's first
21:27
year. So what year would that have
21:28
been? 89, yeah.
21:29
That was Aikman straft year. Yeah, must have been.
21:33
So he he walked up to the counter and said, you know how
21:35
good I think Dallas is going to be Very good.
21:37
Do you guys do anything like this?
21:39
Can you give me a number? So he thought about it and he
21:42
came up with five and a half and this guy reached into his
21:45
suitcase, pulled up $38,000 and bet over 5 1/2 wins for the
21:51
Cowboys that year. They went one and 15.
21:54
But that's the that's this kind of just kind of how much Jimmy
21:59
Vaccaro meant to sports wagering.
22:01
And he's in the Hall of Fame, as he should be.
22:03
Yes, absolutely, Circa, circa. You can see that if you go down
22:06
and just to the right of where you place your bets, you can see
22:10
the sports gambling Hall of Fame, which I get a kick out of
22:14
every single time too, looking through there and the.
22:15
Names. The names and then pull out the
22:18
stories, Google and then talk to a few people that know him and
22:22
oh the stories. They are definitely at a high
22:25
level. No doubt about it.
22:26
All right, One other thing that I've been meaning to find a way
22:29
to get it in. Here's a perfect opportunity.
22:31
It goes back. It's a couple of weeks old now,
22:33
but next year's Hall of Fame when it comes to the NFL,
22:37
there's still a couple of holdovers guys that may or may
22:40
not get in. Luke Heekley's name keeps coming
22:42
up. Tori Holt's name keeps coming up
22:44
that he may or may not get in. Here's the 10, the 10 most
22:49
likely. And I and I think there's some
22:50
guys on that list that don't have a prayer of ever, ever
22:53
seeing Kenton unless they buy a ticket.
22:56
But here's the list. Tell me if you think first thing
22:59
that pops into your mind, yay or nay Hall of Famer with these
23:02
five. And I'm going to go with the
23:04
easy nays, at least I think so. First, Julian Edelman.
23:09
You think it's you think there's a decision.
23:11
I think they ultimately may get in.
23:14
Might have had the greatest catch in a suit where one of one
23:17
of the greatest catches in the Super Bowl when that ball
23:20
somehow didn't hit the ground against Atlanta in that
23:23
comeback. I I struggle without looking at
23:26
the numbers to think of my mind. The first thing that pops in
23:29
Julia Edelman, Hall of Famer. I don't think he is.
23:33
I don't think so either. The Sean McCoy.
23:35
Nope, not long enough. Right.
23:37
Dez Bryant? No, no.
23:41
Todd Gurley, No, I'm with you. So those are the easy four out
23:44
of the way, out of the way these guys have.
23:46
I don't think they have. Edelman would be the one, but I
23:48
don't think so. Greg Olsen.
23:52
I don't think so. Think of that great Greg Olsen
23:55
moment. Do you have one?
23:57
Yeah. Well, to be fair, how many times
24:00
did you watch the Panthers? But he's also in Chicago.
24:04
Yeah, he's around. You're right, You're right
24:06
there. There isn't 1.
24:07
I don't think he gets in either. Now it gets tricky.
24:11
Here's his numbers. I got him here. 60 touchdowns,
24:14
8600 yards, 742 receptions in 200 games.
24:19
Compare that to Antonio Gates. Can you do that quickly?
24:22
It's, it's, it's not close, Right.
24:23
All right. Larry Fitzgerald.
24:25
Yes. Didn't you?
24:26
Didn't even flinch. No, not at all.
24:28
I'm with you, Drew Brees. Yes, Jason Witten.
24:35
No first thought, no. We'll never get into the
24:40
announcer. Hall of Fame?
24:41
No, it didn't go well. Frank Gore.
24:46
Yes, I agree. I think the totality of the
24:49
career mm hmm will get him there now.
24:52
Here's one that I think is going to be maybe as fiercely debated
24:58
as any of the guys we've brought up at this point, 'cause I'm
25:00
with you. It's a no brainer.
25:02
Fitzgerald, Brees, Frank Gore, those three are the others.
25:05
No, here's the one 'cause I think he is Phillip Rivers.
25:12
Yes. Right, you didn't.
25:14
You didn't know? Second thought.
25:15
I think just the totality of the career.
25:17
No super. Bowl win?
25:18
No even Not even an AFC champion do you?
25:21
Think he did? No, he didn't.
25:23
Because the last. Time.
25:25
The only time they played for a Super Bowl.
25:26
What was the guy's name? Stan Humphreys.
25:28
Yes, absolutely. Phillip Rivers long career.
25:33
A. Solid throughout.
25:37
Good numbers. 421 touchdowns against 209 interceptions.
25:42
A winning record as a quarterback. 65% completion
25:45
most. Quirky release you've ever seen
25:47
in in the position. And maybe that's a part of it.
25:50
Don't see many guys that throw the ball like that that are
25:52
there. And as good a trash talker as
25:54
there wasn't in the league. And he doesn't without cussing.
25:57
AP I'm trying to look at all pros, four time, all pro, the
26:03
kids. Count.
26:04
So that's all pro. That's not pro.
26:05
Bowl. That's all Pro 10 Pro Bowls in
26:10
his career. Yeah, I think he is.
26:13
First ballot. Yeah, I think so too, Trent.
26:17
Yeah, despite the fact he doesn't have the postseason
26:21
accolades that that you want to see, I think he's a Hall of
26:25
Famer. I loved watching him play.
26:27
I hated watching him play. 'Cause it gets your.
26:29
Game. Absolutely.
26:30
But boy oh boy, I loved his game.
26:32
I loved his toughness. Him and Jay Cutler had some back
26:36
and forths not I mean on the field as well, but just like
26:40
some they they did not like each other.
26:42
Here's another thing. And here's a just rumor.
26:44
Is it ironic that Breeze and Rivers Rivers took Breeze job in
26:47
San Diego? Both going to go in the same
26:49
time? Anyways, go ahead.
26:50
So from the beginning of his career as a starter in 2006
26:55
through the end of his career, his last year was in Indy in
26:59
2020. Sixteen games throughout the
27:03
course of each one of those schedules he started.
27:07
Every. Single one of those games.
27:10
Except they've gotten a lot of heat.
27:12
Wasn't there a playoff game? Am I thinking to the right guy?
27:16
Wasn't it Philip Rivers that that didn't play or begged out
27:22
of at some point, a playoff game that he took a ton of criticism
27:26
for? Do you remember my thinking?
27:27
To the right guy, it doesn't jump out to me.
27:31
Let's see. Quits playoff game.
27:34
No, I don't want to say quits, but I'm sure that, you know,
27:36
some of the his critics would say that there was not.
27:42
No one forever quit. And who played through a torn
27:45
ACL in the 2008 AFC championship game.
27:49
So he did get to a championship game in 2008.
27:52
And did, but he didn't finish. But he had an ACL for crying out
27:56
loud. Yeah, 2008 AFC championship
28:01
game. All right, let's see pop pops up
28:03
here. It might have been the 2008
28:05
season, 2009 AFC championship game.
28:08
No, that wasn't it either as I'm doing this on the fly and trying
28:11
to figure. It out I think.
28:13
Here it is. Championship game 2007.
28:17
Oh, it was the undefeated Patriots 2112.
28:21
The final late touchdown puts it away for the Patriots.
28:24
It was a tight game. Kading got things started with
28:26
the field goal, had a couple of more.
28:28
Wes Welker from Brady salted it away 2112.
28:33
But did anybody else play in that game?
28:35
No quarterbacks, at least that I see at least in that.
28:37
One, I, I might be, I might be thinking about somebody else.
28:41
I thought it was him, but we both agree that Philip Rivers
28:44
is, is going to hear his name called, right.
28:46
That's a couple of weeks old nonetheless, but wanted to bring
28:49
that up because it's going to be, there's going to be some
28:51
very difficult decisions that are going to have to be.
28:54
Made How many guys is it get to be back to the full freight this
28:57
year? You can have what 9 I think is
28:59
the Max I think. 'Cause Belichick's also
29:02
eligible. Oh, he's in.
29:03
He has to be. Yeah, he's in.
29:05
I mean, he's a cinch. He's a cinch.
29:08
Frank Gore, were you in with me with?
29:10
Gore. Yeah, Gore's in.
29:12
What a guy like. No, not Lamar Jackson.
29:15
I'm not thinking of Lamar Jackson when he quit.
29:16
No, that's not him. There was, I'm sure there was a.
29:21
Alex Smith. No, no, no.
29:26
Somebody took a lot of arrows for they thought he should be
29:29
playing anyways, but. Still, that number is
29:31
incredible. It is starting for what, 1516
29:34
years, whatever that was, and starting every single game of
29:38
his career. Yeah, that's definitely eye
29:40
opening. All right, we'll take time out
29:41
trench plays of the day. We'll get into the Major League
29:44
schedule. We do have games that are
29:46
underway in MLB. Philadelphia's ahead of Seattle.
29:50
The pits. The Pirates are putting it to
29:53
the Jays. Tigers are all over Houston.
29:55
Boy, what has happened to this Houston ball club?
29:58
They can't hit. They can't hit again.
30:00
They well, that was Texas. They couldn't hit Framber got.
30:04
Shelled again today, gave up six in the first.
30:08
Seattle, though, is not taking advantage.
30:10
No Texas. Texas is.
30:12
No, they're. Not just going to get there.
30:15
You know, I don't think I hit a futures ticket pre pre flop.
30:19
Really going back to. 'Cause I love.
30:21
We both do. We both loved Arizona.
30:23
Yep. And we both thought Texas was.
30:24
Good. You talked me into both of
30:25
those. I'm going to blame you on both
30:26
of those. And I think it's fair.
30:28
I, I mean, I don't think it's unfair because I was all over
30:31
both of those franchises. All right, Miller and Condon
30:33
Trent's plays of the day, Circa Sports will will sponsor those.
30:38
We'll get into tonight's slate of MLB games.
30:41
Lights late tonight, even worse tomorrow.
30:43
At least there are a couple of games.
30:46
Somebody what? Are you, what are you thinking
30:48
of Jay Cutler when he didn't show up in the NFC Championship
30:51
Game for my Bears against the Packers?
30:54
That's what the caller just said, you know.
30:55
What I might have been, It might have been Jay.
30:57
Cutler, you wonder why I hate Jay Cutler.
30:59
Was he on the sidelines? And he It might have been Jay
31:02
Cutler, come to think of it. Yeah, and you like that guy?
31:05
I love the way he threw the football.
31:07
I like his ex-wife better than him.
31:10
We watched that stupid show. For one reason, yes.
31:13
Well, take your time out. Miller and Condon Trent's plays
31:16
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31:18
It's the Iowa Sports Radio Network.
31:27
Hi, Miller and Condon, welcome back.
31:30
Final segment here on a Wednesday.
31:33
If you miss David Kaplan, well, so did we.
31:35
We'll get to him tomorrow. Cappy will join us.
31:38
He had an issue come up with the ESPN 1000 where he does the
31:42
morning show over there and he will join us tomorrow as he was
31:45
on all hands on deck meeting called at the last second.
31:49
So we solved the Riddle, yes, regarding the Chargers and my
31:54
memory telling me that something happened to Philip Rivers in
31:56
that in in that in one of the playoff games.
31:59
And I was mistaken. It was his running back,
32:03
Ladainian Tomlinson, who suffered A torn groin tendon
32:08
completely off the bone against the Colts in a wild card game.
32:12
And he couldn't answer the bell against the Steelers.
32:16
So Rivers did play and he was hurt and got a bunch of
32:21
accolades for doing so. And there were some that
32:23
believed that the at a soon to be, or, you know, would come to
32:29
be Hall of Fame running back Ladainian Tomlinson should have
32:32
played. So you were close.
32:34
I didn't give myself 1/2 a point.
32:36
And Tomlinson tried to play 2 carries 5 yards.
32:39
He did try to play. Did try to play and then was
32:43
seen on the sideline with his helmet.
32:44
On a bike I remember. And a little pouty.
32:47
I think that was a component to A2.
32:49
He looked very sad or didn't look like a great teammate.
32:52
I think as maybe you some of were some of the negativity
32:55
right if memory serves started to come in.
32:57
It was kind of that component of it.
32:59
It's one thing to try and he did not be able to go but.
33:03
Player man held. If he was, Oh my God, so
33:05
talented. That aside, that aside, just
33:09
unbelievable. All right, so we figured that
33:11
out. Our thanks to our smarter
33:14
listeners yes, 2 hosts for figure for We need the help
33:17
Yeah, for putting a bow on that Anyways, your plays of the day.
33:20
So as far as the slate of games here this evening, uh huh.
33:25
It's it's better than tomorrow's.
33:28
Right. Because baseball during the day,
33:30
I mean, I think there's are during the night rather there's
33:33
maybe two or three games going on, but there's more out there
33:36
tonight. What are you betting on today?
33:38
I just have two games that I like.
33:41
I'm going to grab the Cardinals plus Bunny, plus 105.
33:44
It's Alcantra still hasn't been great for the Marlins against
33:48
Polenta. On the other side, he.
33:50
Was one of those guys that was absolutely, no doubt about it,
33:53
getting traded. Right.
33:54
Yeah, and then he doesn't. And that that's the way that one
33:58
goes. And I'm going to say bounce back
34:00
for the race here after yesterday's disaster.
34:02
Give it up. 13 runs, nine home runs.
34:05
Well, it's Rasmussen who gets the ball and he's outstanding
34:07
against Schlitter. I just, I know he's going to be
34:10
good. I think Schlitter's going to be.
34:11
He's not there yet. He throws hard, but he's not a
34:14
pitcher yet. He's not a Major League pitcher
34:15
yet. So give me Rasmussen -114 in
34:19
that one. Just two plays.
34:20
Only one game in the WNBA. So did you watch Hard Knocks
34:23
last night? I forgot all about it.
34:26
You got to be. I forgot all about it.
34:28
And you didn't watch the Cowboys?
34:31
What was I? I watched the Cubs.
34:32
Yes, same. And that game went a little bit
34:35
later than I thought. And then I, for the second
34:37
straight night, I don't know what it is about this series.
34:40
I'm watching the Reds and the Angels, of all things.
34:42
I don't know. What's wrong?
34:43
I don't. Know I watched it Monday I
34:46
thought I'd give it another try again last night.
34:49
I forgot was did you see Hard Knocks?
34:51
I didn't because I went episode 1 of the Cowboys documentary.
34:57
And. It's fine.
34:59
OK. It was good, I enjoyed.
35:01
It it's on Netflix. Yep, and then episode 2 right at
35:05
the end and it's getting late and look at the clock and I'll
35:08
just watch the 1st 10 minutes, yeah.
35:10
Watch the whole thing, did you? So it's good.
35:12
It's getting good. Episode 2 was tremendous, so.
35:16
Do I need to watch episode 1 so. If you're looking for background
35:19
on Jerry, which I did find entertaining, there were parts
35:21
of it. It was.
35:22
So this is goes back to the sale then?
35:24
Yes, him buying mm Hmm Firing Landry, bringing in Jimmy.
35:28
Did tech sham owner or was he running?
35:30
No, he was running. It yeah, it was another guy with
35:32
a southern Texas name. I don't remember.
35:35
Not no. I don't remember who owned them.
35:36
Yeah. But talks about that a lot of
35:39
Jerry background. But then episode 2 here comes
35:42
Aikman and that's how it starts with Aikman in the chair.
35:45
Yeah, the documentary style, that's.
35:47
Good. I like Troy Aikman.
35:48
I know you do. Yeah.
35:50
And then I was in. And a lot of Michael Irvin.
35:52
How? Charles Haley.
35:53
Oh. Boy, Yeah, he.
35:54
Was dragging him in the story of Haley how he got traded from San
35:58
Francisco? I'm watching it.
36:02
I'm watching it tonight. How much time do they spend on
36:06
the Tom Landry for Jimmy Johnson?
36:08
Landry out. I'm bringing in my own guy,
36:10
Jimmy Johnson. Quite a bit.
36:12
Do they? They show the newspaper article
36:15
where they're pictured dining together at a Tex Mex
36:18
restaurant. Jones and Landry.
36:20
Before no Jones and Jimmy Johnson before the firing was.
36:25
Official where they kind of forged their relationship coach,
36:29
really. And then and then how did they
36:31
tell Tom Landry, an icon? I mean the silhouette of the
36:35
fedora. Sounds like just kind of fired.
36:37
Him just fired him. Yeah, Thanks for thanks for
36:40
coming out. Thanks for the we're.
36:41
Moving on. It was also interesting hearing
36:44
Michael Irvin, who was there for Landry's final year, talk about
36:47
him. You'll be, I think, hit by what
36:51
he says and in a. Positive way?
36:53
No, really the. Speech that he was given.
36:56
Michael Irvin grew up a Cowboys fan in Miami, but grew up his
37:02
dad wore a fedora because of Tom Landry.
37:05
And then he gets drafted by them.
37:07
And to see that, I think you're really good.
37:09
Enjoy the background of Episode 1's good.
37:12
If you have the ability to watch it like 1 1/2 speed, do that.
37:15
You can't. Watch it.
37:16
Yeah, you can. Yeah, you can do that on
37:17
Netflix. I know you can, but like.
37:19
Just like a podcast. Oh yeah, you won't be able to.
37:22
I I would say though, maybe for some of our younger demographic,
37:25
that's the direction to go get through that first one, through
37:28
it. And then episode 2 locked and
37:30
loaded. So I got Hard Knocks episode 3
37:34
and I'm going to watch another one of the Cowboys tonight.
37:36
Well I am now 2 and probably expensive.
37:39
Episodes 3 or 4 of the Kingdom because it was OK I.
37:43
Still haven't got into it. You know what maybe the most
37:45
fascinating part to me is that cave underneath wherever The
37:48
Cave is, where they store the history of the Kansas City, the
37:51
Dallas slash Kansas City Chiefs. I mean, it's it's it's
37:55
fascinating to me. Anyways, I'm in.
37:57
And how many episodes of the of the what do they call the Cowboy
38:01
special? I don't know.
38:02
It just popped right up. Netflix knows me.
38:04
The algorithms got me. Because when I clicked on it
38:07
last night, guess what was sitting there right at the top?
38:10
The Cowboys document. And you don't know how many
38:12
episodes it is got to be. Like 6.
38:13
I think it was 8 or 9. That's a lot.
38:16
Why don't these things come up further away from the start?
38:19
Of football. Nice, wouldn't it?
38:20
Would it kill you to put them on June The off the bench is coming
38:26
up next. Sean Roberts, Lucas strain take
38:28
you until 5 Miller and Condon weekdays.
38:31
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38:33
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