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Mega Edition: Where Does Mark Epstein Fit In To The Epstein Story? (5/7/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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Epstein Chronicles. Folks, I have hit the mother load when
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it comes to OIG witness interviews in regards to the
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death of Jeffrey Epstein. Not only did we just go
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through the Michael Thomas deposition, well, now I also found
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the depositions for all the other Corrections officers that were
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brought in for questioning. And you know what else, I
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found the OIG interview with Mark Epstein. So in this episode,
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we're going to begin taking a look at that interview
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and we're going to see what Mark Epstein had to
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say to the OIG inspectors about the death of his brother,
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Jeffrey Epstein. So they swear them in. We're gonna skip
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all of that, but they swear them in, and then
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they start asking the questions, and the person asking questions
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is redacted with Mark Epstein. Is his lawyer, mister Richmond. Question,
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Just for the record, you're Mark Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein's brother,
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Mark Epstein. Yes, question, And I understand that basically you
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reached out through Attorney Richmond. You reached out to us
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and you stated that there were a few things you
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wanted to share with the OIG Mark Epstein. Yes, question,
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go ahead, you can go ahead, Epstein, okay, redacted. Let
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me just ask some like just or asked to maybe
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see his license just so we can verify redacted. Yeah.
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Question If you don't want to ask him for his
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date of birth redacted, yeah, can we verify? Epstein? Sure? Question,
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Or you can just ask your birthday date of birth Epstein, Oh,
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it's only my driver's license redacted. Mister Mark Epstein has
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shown me a photo driver's license and it has his
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picture on it and it states his name on it.
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Just for the record, here is my credential Epstein. Okay,
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redacted on special agent redacted with doj oig Epstein okay,
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redacted and these are my credentials, Senior special Agent blah
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blah blah Epstein. Okay. As I mentioned before you came,
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I told him that when I first heard of Jeffrey's death,
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I just assumed that it was the suicide because it
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was reported as such, and at the time I had
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no reason to doubt it, and I just respected his
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decision to take himself out. But then as things progressed
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and when more information came out, it looks like if
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you just look at the information. There is no way
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in the world you would say that this is the suicide.
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The first thing being the autopsy. The autopsy was conducted
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the next day. It was conducted by the city pathologist,
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and I was right. I was able to get a
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pathologist to witness this and had doctor Boden. I don't
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know if you know doctor Boden, but you can't get
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Richmond cuts him off. He's the former chief Medical Examiner
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of the City of New York. Richmond, so he went
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back to his office because he was hired by Mark
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to review and be present at the autopsy. Epstein. Yeah, Normally,
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if I hire a forensic pathologist to review the autopsy,
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he has the right to just stand there and watch,
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and then we can get the body afterwards to do
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a second autopsy if needed. But because of who redacted is,
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they did whatever he requested them to do with the autopsy,
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so there was no need for a second autopsy. Redacted
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also had been on the Special Commission Investigating prison deaths
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since the Attica riots in seventy Redacted here is doctor Boden,
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so he's been doing this for a long time. There
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is no better authority in prison deaths than doctor Boden,
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and the city pathologists came out with doctor Boden and
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her determination was she could not call this a suicide.
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There were too many unquestionable things, you know, like the
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broken bones in his neck. And Boden confirmed that he
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also not to call this a suicide. It looks much
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more like a homicide. Plus there were the wounds on
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his body. I'm like, I have pictures I could show you.
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And then when we get the death certificate to move
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to claim the body, the cause of death was pending,
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you know, pending for an investigation. And then a few
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days later the Chief Medical Examiner of New York declares
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that a suicide Richmond, just to clarify, we found out
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through the media they were going to make that change.
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So we called the Medical Examiner's office asking how come
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you haven't notified the family and what is the central
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reason for changing that. We interviewed them for about an
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hour and we discovered that they really didn't have much
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of a basis, but everyone was just closing the investigation.
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And what I persisted is when I learned that the
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camera on the floor where mister Epstein cell was had
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been corrupted and no one had actually viewed that ca
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mister Epstein. Now, one of the questions about the camera
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on the tier, I don't know. There's some pictures of
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you know, we're walking through the tier and indiscernible all
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the cameras right that camera wasn't working. So one of
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the questions I have is when did the camera stop working?
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When was the last time that camera actually took a picture?
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And you know, have they determined why that camera wasn't working.
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Were the wire's cut? Was it unplugged, or you know,
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why was that camera not working? There is an answer
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to that, you know, and I'm going to get it.
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I had I could start showing some pictures, but to
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keep going on, you know, because they did they swabbed
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under autopsy report. They swabbed his fingers for DNA evidence
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in case somebody was there. Was that ever checked. I
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never saw the results of that DNA testing. You know,
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nothing has been indiscernible for that. And one of the
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things that lit up my mind on top of this,
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one of the big things is that Attorney General Barr
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made a statement saying that he viewed camera that was
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outside of the tier that showed the door and the
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guards and that's directly right between that the guards were
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just you know, jerking off or indiscernible web or whatever
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they were doing, making sure that that videotape, and he
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said he said that nobody went that he personally saw it,
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which I thought was strange. You know, that nobody went
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in or out of that tier, so that convinced them
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that it was a suicide. You guys are professional investigators.
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I am not. But for me, the lights went off.
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I said, either this is the stupidest guy on the planet,
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or if Jeffrey was killed, the killer was already on
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the tier, so it's just things that might come into
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the tier to kill him. I mean, there's too many witnesses.
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How do you get somebody in or out? But if
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he was killed, the killer was already on the tier.
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So for him to make the statement that no one
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went in or out, that convinced them it was a suicide.
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I mean, that's like I think we agree it was
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like an amateur mistake in the investigation because there were
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a number of people inside it. Right, Well, let me
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pull up something to show you redacted on that note.
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Do you have any information that anyone actually was in
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the cell Epstein, there was nobody in his cell, Richmond, Well,
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was he gets cut off by Epstein. There was supposed
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to be somebody in his cell because he was supposedly
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on suicide watch doing whatever, and he was released and
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there was supposed to be somebody in his cell, and
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there wasn't and he was taken out. He was alone
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that night in his cell, and so other like just
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evidentiary things. They report that he was found non responsive
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in his cell and then he was taken to the hospital.
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He wasn't found unresponsive, he was found dead. Okay, Jeffrey
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was dead for a minimum of two hours before they
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found him. And I will show you how we know that.
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Richmond also talk about the description of the indiscernible Epstein. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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a whole bunch of things. I have a list of
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the number of the photos. I left it at home, unfortunately,
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but I'll pull them up to have a look. Redacted. Now,
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are you going to show us why you know that
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he was dead for at least two hours? Ebstein? Yeah, question, Okay, Epstein.
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I'm going to get to that picture as soon as
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I can. Redacted. Just for the recording, I'm just going
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to state that mister Epstein has his own laptop and
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he is providing us. He's just going to explain the
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pictures to us. Epstein, Yeah, pictures in your custody. Epstein. Yeah.
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Also in the autopsy, Richmond, and the picture is from
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the autopsy redacted from the autopsy, Epstein. They also found,
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you know, three broken bones in his neck, which is
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extremely rare to have broken bone when you don't have
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what's called a soft hanging. You have like Robin Williams
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hung himself with a bathrobe thing, with the belt thing.
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There are soft hangings, you usually don't break bones, and
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he had three breaks, which is one of the reasons
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they thought it was more like a homicide question. So
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what we're looking at is do you know which bones
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we're talking about? Epstein. It's the higher bone, something like
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the indiscernible is what it's called redacted? And did they ever?
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Ebstein cuts them off and it really isn't He gets
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cut off. Discuss anything about chess compressions. Would that potentially
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have happened during cpr Epstein? No, Richmond, No, Epstein, this
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is the neck, Richmond. Chess compressions are lower Epstein, Yeah,
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chess compressions. It can break a rib, not the higher Richmond,
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so Ebstein, it felt pretty useful. See this is the
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camera that wasn't working redacted, right, Ebstein, that would show
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them indiscernible question, and they provided you with all of
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this Epstein. Yeah, question, okay, redacted? Really Richmond? Uh huh question?
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Oh for the statement of information Richmond that was just
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released and announced by indiscernible Epstein. Do you, guys indiscernable
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with murder investigations? Is that part of the normally? I mean,
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do you have like any forensic experience on that redacted?
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So our investigation pertains to the death of he gets
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cut off by Epstein, all right, then he gets cut
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off by the guy asking the questions, Jeffrey Epstein. Okay.
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One thing I'll show you now before we get to
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is that the only way they was trying to say that, well,
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he put a noose on his neck and sort of
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jumped off the top bunk. That would give him that break,
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or it would be harsh, you know, like if you
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saw Shawshank Redemption when Brooks kicked himself off the chair,
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you know, the fall down that's indiscernible because it has
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to be harsh like that the top bunk and Jeffrey
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cell was filled with his medication. Indiscernible. Nobody was on
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that bunk. Nobody jumped off that bunk. I'm just looking
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for the next pictures. Also, let me get back for
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one second. Should I apologize for not having that list,
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mister Richmond indiscernible Epstein. Also, what another question I have
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is who was in charge in the prison. First of all,
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they move the body, which you're not supposed to do,
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and supposedly they indiscernible. You know, when they find a
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dead body in prison, they're not supposed to move it.
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They're supposed to get the medical Examiner's office indiscernible. Surprise.
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I mean, they had it look like he was moved. Now,
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if you saw the photographs when they took him out
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of the hospital, he was on a gurney and he
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was innovated. They were trying to squeeze the tube with
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no air in it. It said he's dead for two hours.
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Why were they trying to make it look like he
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was alive? The EMTs, and I would like to talk
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to them. It's redacted, and I think it's indiscernible them
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to EMTs if I recall they're the EMTs that were
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actually in the cell. Redacted. Okay, Epstein, Now just let
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me go back one second. Here's another picture of the
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top bunk. You see nobody was there, so I would
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like to talk to those two guys redacted. Yeah, Ebstein,
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this is the noose right. Look at that. When the
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guards found him, the guy was indiscernible. He's saying that
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he cut him down, and I think the guard said,
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Michael Thomas, the guard that found him, he said he
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cut him down. You see the edge of his noose thing,
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that's a himned edge that wasn't cut. Okay. If this
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was tied to something, this would be wrinkled, it would
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be marked from there, you know, like here you see
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like creases in this part. There would be something here
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showing that this was tied to something. Okay, here's another
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question I have. He was dead when they took him
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in when they found him, and he was wearing I
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checked through someone who was there who said, I guess
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that he was wearing in the cell, and he was
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wearing his orange boxer shorts and T shirt. The prison
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clothing question. Okay, Ebstein. They take his dead body out
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and it was either they cut the stuff off of him,
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because I have pictures of the boxer shorts cut. Who
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dressed the dead body with the hospital gown? Okay, dead
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bodies you cover with the sheet. He wasn't going to
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run down the hall in the hospital with his balls
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flapping in the wind. He didn't have to hide, So
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who made that decision? Now? I know that when they
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took him to the hospital, there were four people in
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the room and somebody had a handheld video and like
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they were working down at the hospital. Where's the tape? Redacted? Okay?
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How do you know that, Epstein? I was told? Question? Okay.
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Also there's a question of why was he moved? Because
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you know, you know what indiscernible is redacted? Yes, Ebstein,
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you know you die, you fall in your back, your
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gut turns purple because you indiscernible. Question Okay, Epstein, Now
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he was moved. So I want to find out from
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Michael Thomas what position was Jeffrey in when he found him.
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And I'll know the answer to that because he was
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sitting like right by indiscernible. You know, your ass in
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the back, your legs are going to go, you know
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if you're leaning forward doing it that way, but indiscernible
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eggs are going to go. You know, So what position
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was he in after they found him? Question, so you
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said Michael Thomas made statements, which statements indiscernible Epstein, Well,
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he said, he cut him down. Question Where did you
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get that statement from Epstein? It was in the paper,
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mister Richmond, it was Ebstein that was that question like
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recently or was that Epstein? No question at the time
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Epstein at the time, Richmond. At the time, they hadn't
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received the statements from him, then, did they? Epstein. Yeah,
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he was indiscernible at the time, but you know he said,
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I mean, that's what he said. He would cut him
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down and said, you fucked up or you messed up.
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You know when the supervisor, he said he messed up
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and he didn't do the checks or something to that effect. Question. Okay,
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all right, So we're gonna wrap up right here, and
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then the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna
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pick up where we left off. Information that goes with
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this episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
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and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In
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this episode, we're gonna get right back to that explosive
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interview that Mark Epstein gave to the OIG investigators. Mister Richmond, indiscernible,
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Mark Epstein, that's his neck, all right? If I strangle you, now,
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that number one does not look like a sheet. It
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looks more like an electric cord, because he had a
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CPAP machine in his room with an electric cord. Question. Okay, Epstein,
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that does not look like a sheet. Plus, if he
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had a sheet around his neck, it would be discolored
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from the secretions from his skin. Okay, Now, if I
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strangle you metaphorically with an electric indiscernible, you won't get
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a groove in your neck because your internal self pressure
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will flatten your skin back out like you might get
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a little abrasion mark or a rub mark, but you
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won't get a groove stuck in your neck. That takes
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at least two hours. That's how we know he was
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dead for at least two hours because of that. Okay,
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that's uncontroverted, Richmond. It's not consistent with what you thought
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was demonstrated as the noose. And that comment was made
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by Richmond redacted, right, Richmond, evidence with indiscernible Epstein, he
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could have been for six hours, but a minimum of two.
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That's doctor Boden. You know opinion, which I take is
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more of indiscernible as opposed to it. That's not a sheet,
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that looks more like an electric cord. Also, you see
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these marks above the groove line redacted. Okay, Abstein. If
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you hang yourself and you put something around your neck
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and you hang yourself, okay, it's going to slip up.
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It's going to go high on your neck. If anything,
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the skin below the mark is going to be abraided
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or roughed up. Because the nooses don't indiscernible. You're not
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going to get marks above your noose. It won't go
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down your neck, won't mark above the noose, the noose
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line or whatever the ligature whatever was used. You know
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where these marks above the line. That means also if
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you hang yourself, that line goes up, it goes to
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your ears. You strangle with a garrot, that's more straight back.
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I mean, the line goes all the way back. And
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that's what to expect. Okay. So here's the closer look,
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the better look. That's not the noose. It's not a
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sheet doing that. That's being abraded from that. Also, his eyes.
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I'm going to have pictures of it when you strangle,
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you know, the little blood vessels in your eyes burst
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Richmond indiscernible Epstein, the tipia whatever, and it's exhibited here. Also,
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he has a cut on his arm here, you know,
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so you can see the groove is in there, that
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groove is not coming out. What number is that? That
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may be the list? Hold on, let's reboot redacted? When
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did you last quick question? You mentioned that you heard
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from somebody that they had in your time at the hospital.
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Who did you hear that from? Mister Epstein? Do you
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have a specific name Epstein? No? Okay, there is the indiscernible.
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Where is the little indiscernible Because there's a cut on
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his lip here? Look at that. There's a bruise on
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the back of his neck here. Oh, there's another question
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I had before I forget is in the paperwork the
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last guards to see him was Tovin O Weell and indiscernible.
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You see here it's just like a little indiscernible. Another
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thing you should be investigating, assuming he was killed, is
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redacted because I was also told this was through somebody
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who indiscernible through the attorney. Because somebody was underwater. He
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said that somebody was indiscernible. So you know, there is
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an old saying that anyone can commit murder, but it
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takes an artist to commit suicide. If this was done
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somebody who was put on that indiscernible to do this,
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somebody was indiscernible, he was killed, you know, back to
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his cell anyone else after the fact of time have
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been transferred off because if someone was indiscernible to do this,
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I don't know if he's lost indiscernible. Find out who
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was on that cord. You know that was two weeks
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practically redacted. Who told you that someone was indiscernible Epstein,
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a journalist indiscernible, He lied redacted. Now that is something
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we would very much like the follow up on. Was
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there any can you talk to someone about how that
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would discernible or not? Epstein? I will ask if I
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can get you the indiscernible redacted, Okay, Epstein. I've also
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heard that there's like twenty plus cards that were like
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there furlough that haven't worked since indiscernible redacted. That's the
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same nows on the floor. Epstein, Yes, mister Epstein, Yeah,
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that's not cut. It's kind of indiscernible, and it's not
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you know, I mean, it's pretty st and sizes, I believe,
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and this would be discolored from the secretions of his neck.
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Things I will also tell you is that in the
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twenty sixteen election, my brother didn't tell me why indiscernible.
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What he told me is he said that he knew
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about indiscernible Trump indiscernible because they would have to cancel
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the election. My brother is also indiscernible. He's worked with
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Steve Bannon, who's work with indiscernible. Steve Bannon has hours
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of videotape. I know this because my brother said he
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worked with him. And on that day he said he
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stopped hanging out with Trump when he realized indiscernible in
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papers they're reading, he stopped hanging out with Trump and
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like he fell apart. It was bullshit. Everybody was like indiscernible.
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He stopped hanging out with Trump when he realized Trump
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was a dick. That's exactly what he said. And I
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think indiscernible, all right, And I don't have any proof,
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but if this was murder, then the government would probably indiscernible.
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And I know also that hurting somebody else prison that
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the DEA agent transported to a maximum security He's a
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real badass and carried on and felt even worse. You know,
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he was brought out to be indiscernible. They handcuffed him
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before they uncuff him. And he was a DEA agent
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who was getting the credibility as a criminal, as a
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bad guy, a troublemaker. So it's justice from you can
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put people in prison that have indiscernible. I was told
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that by somebody. So yeah, So also the thing I
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wanted to show you here the reason I honestly, to
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be honest with you, I think Trump is behind it.
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If someone was closer on the inside told me Trump
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indiscernible after his death, you know someone who knows more
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about this shit than I do. Redacted. Well, when you
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say that Trump was a crook, or that your brother
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said that indiscernible, can you give me more information other
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than just that, mister Epstein, No, he didn't tell me that.
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But if you were a legal businessman, you would know
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that Trump is a crook. Everybody knows Trump's a crook.
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That's why no ledge sitimate real estate people would deal
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with them. Redacted and when you say crook, though, can
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you just kind of explain that Epstein, he robs people.
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He probably close to the wealth he has comes from
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the money he didn't pay people he screwed over and
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over and over, and he pays them like a percentage
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of what he owes them. They signed non disclosure agreements.
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That's how he slides. And everybody knows that question. All right, Epstein.
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Now this video from before my brother's death indiscernible. But wait,
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I'm going to get to the beginning of the part,
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Miss Richmond. Some of the information about this is also indiscernible.
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When you're talking about indiscernible, Epstein, Well, let me see
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if I can. Oh, he asked them, all right, So
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this is before he died redacted. So we're looking at
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mister Epstein. I've met Trump redacted. President Trump there as
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well as the news reporter mister Epstein. O'reiley, bill, O'Reilly. Question,
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do you know when that was done? Mister Epstein was
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prior to his death, That was question. Prior to the
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death Epstein. But you know, I mean, personally, I think
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Trump was jealous that people indiscernible and wanted to take
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that power. That's indiscernible to Trump indiscernible, you know, Richmond,
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I noticed that not your strongest argument, Epstein. No, it's
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not my strongest argument. It's that's an opinion, okay, but
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this is my strongest argument. Redacted. So when's the last
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time you spoke with Jeffrey Epstein the Thursday night before
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he was arrested? Redacted? Do you remember around when that
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date would have been, Epstein? Yeah, July eighth or ninth
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or something redacted. Okay, Epstein on a Thursday night redacted.
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So twenty nineteen, Epstein, Yeah, yeah, I was right before
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his death. So he called me if he was in Paris.
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He called me, just the usual, you know, indiscernible, you know,
23:49
and then the next day he you know, flew back
23:52
and he was arrested that Friday, Saturday morning. His attorneys
23:55
called me and told me he was arrested. Redacted. And
23:58
how often would you talk with Jeffrey up until then? Epstein?
24:02
We would talk every couple of weeks or something like that,
24:04
a week, a month, you know, we emailed something whatever,
24:08
you know, just trying and I keep telling him what's
24:11
hanging with the family stuff, and we indiscernible stories He
24:16
used to hang out with Billy Idle, though, so you
24:18
would tell me funny things that we had on set.
24:21
I guess Billy Idyl is a funny guy. You know.
24:24
We just used to keep check redacted. I don't know
24:27
where we heard this information from, but I was told.
24:30
I was informed that you were estrange for like a
24:32
number of years. Is that correct? Epstein? No, question? You
24:37
hadn't seen him, Epstein, I haven't seen him? Question? Okay, Epstein,
24:42
My mother died in two thousand and four. Since that time,
24:45
maybe I saw him a handful of times, and the
24:47
last time was seven years prior to his death. Question. Okay,
24:51
so you hadn't seen him four seven years, Epstein, Yeah, question,
24:55
But you spoke over the telephone a number of times
24:57
a week, yeah, and emailed question okay and email Apstein. Yeah.
25:02
It's like, for instance, I mean I have the email
25:05
exchange and when he sent me the video clip that
25:08
back indiscernible, you know, and I asked him, you know,
25:11
what's this for, you know, and he said indiscernible testimony.
25:14
I said, you were subpoena redacted. Uh huh, Apstein, He
25:18
said no, he was just he was doing stuff and
25:21
you know, he just he said, I thought indiscernible, he
25:24
thought I would find it funny. I remember it was
25:27
like he was had a beer in the video, and
25:30
I've never seen my brother with a beer before. So
25:33
I wrote back, I said, the funniest part is you
25:35
were with a beer, And he wrote back, he said
25:38
that you could tell who I was. My disguise didn't work,
25:41
you know, it was just it was just banter between brothers.
25:46
So that was the last time I spoke with him,
25:48
was that Thursday night before he was indiscernible redacted. Okay,
25:52
do you know anything about his state of mind leading
25:55
up to he gets cut off by Apstein? Yeah? I
25:57
know who he spoke to the day before he died redacted?
26:00
And who did he speak to? Epstein? He spoke to
26:03
someone who was close to him, I mean, and they
26:06
had indiscernible not a clue indiscernible that this happened, and
26:10
most of his One of his attorneys gave an indiscernible
26:13
was publicly saying that he spoke to Jeffrey. Jeffrey was
26:16
very upbeat. He was also thought that he had good taste.
26:19
Using a discernible non prosecution agreement he had from Florida
26:23
from years back. So and also when Jeffrey was first arrested,
26:27
his attorneys called me and asked me if I would
26:31
back and help him with his bill. They said, it's
26:33
indiscernible other people indiscernible participate in the bell because they
26:37
should indiscernible. And then Jeffrey was not going to flee.
26:41
He wasn't fleeing indiscernible, not that he would do that anyhow,
26:45
because he indiscernible. And that's what put me on the map.
26:49
Most people didn't even know jeff had a brother redacted, Okay, Epstein.
26:54
We had a social life together, and so that's where
26:56
my head dating back, you know, referred to as indiscernible proctologist.
27:02
Every journalist on the planet would indiscernible to try and
27:05
find some dirt on me, to try to make me
27:07
tell this kind of stuff. But yeah, we had two
27:10
separate lives. And so bell was denied, and then he
27:13
had a bell hearing coming up two days after he died.
27:16
And this time and he was pretty up, like you know,
27:19
his jets, the house, those hundred million dollars worth of
27:22
stuff for the bell. The highest bell in the United
27:25
States ever was one hundred million dollars, so indiscernible. So
27:29
that's the highest bell they ruled on. When they were
27:31
going through the appeal on the bell, his attorneys called
27:34
me up and they asked me if I would guarantee
27:36
his entire bell, and it has since doubled, and I
27:39
agreed to it. Question, okay, Epstein. And so there might
27:44
have been a chance he got bell in two days Richmond, right, Epstein,
27:48
And then he would have been under house arrest. He
27:51
would have paid four guards, they would have had an ankle, monitor, camera,
27:55
whatever it would take to do this all. So if
27:58
you and I think, you know, if he was going
28:00
to take himself out, wait two fucking days. You know,
28:04
if you get bail, then you at least your home
28:06
for a year before the trial comes up, if nothing
28:08
else and discernible doesn't make sense, Ebstein, if Jeffrey went,
28:13
I don't think Jeffrey would do that. Redacted. So you
28:17
did actually agree to the bell, Abstein? Yeah, redacted? And
28:23
that was two days after he was found Abstein, Ho, Richmond,
28:26
that's the day, Apstein, the hearing was supposed to be.
28:30
That's right, he gets interrupted and I agreed before he
28:33
was dead. But the hearing was supposed to take place,
28:35
like he died. I think it was August ninth or something.
28:38
The hearing was scheduled for like eleventh or something. There
28:41
was like a two day gap redacted. And then do
28:44
you remember how much the bell was Abstein? Close to
28:47
one hundred million? Redacted? It was close to one hundred Abstein, yeah, redacted. Still,
28:53
just to clarify, you mentioned one hundred million dollar bill
28:56
and you're guarantee on top of it, so that was
28:59
technically two hundred. Mister Epstein, right, and his friend David
29:02
Mitchell put up some I don't know how much David
29:05
put up, but he also in the initial pool at
29:07
first in discernible house in Florida, David also put up
29:12
some indiscernible. David Mitchell is the one who the friend
29:15
and I heard he was reaching, you know, indiscernible. All right, folks,
29:18
we're gonna wrap up this episode right here, and in
29:20
the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick
29:23
up where we left off. All the information that goes
29:26
with this episode can be found in the description box.
29:29
What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
29:32
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're gonna pick up where
29:35
we left off with la Mark Epstein interview with the
29:39
OIG inspectors redacted. Now, as far as the person that
29:45
he were, you saying that he spoke with someone on
29:48
the telephone prior to August ninth or tenth Epstein the
29:52
night redacted or something Epstein the evening before he died,
29:56
because it was indiscernible, Yeah, redacted, and was female Epstein? Yes,
30:02
it was. Question and do you want to say the
30:04
name and ask if that's correct? Redacted? Is the name redacted? Epstein? Yes? Question?
30:10
Is that who he spoke to? Epstein? Yes? Question, and
30:14
you spoke to who is redacted to? Mister Epstein? Apstein
30:19
a friend redacted, a childhood friend, a longtime friend Epstein
30:23
a number of years redacted? Were they in a relationship,
30:26
mister Epstein? Is exact nature of it? I don't know
30:29
because I didn't know her, but I know she's been
30:32
I just found out she was in the picture for
30:34
a number of years, I believe eight years redacted in
30:37
a romantic relationship Epstein, I believe. So, Yeah, Richmond, what
30:42
you didn't know? Confirmation? Apstein? I can't ask, Jeff Richmond, right,
30:48
obviously redacted have you spoken with her? Epstein, yes, question.
30:53
And did she say that they were in a relationship Epstein, yeah,
30:57
question she did? Abstein, I believe it to be so,
31:00
and I found pictures redacted. And have you seen have
31:04
you spoken with her since August ninth, twenty nineteen, Epstein,
31:08
yep redacted. Did she tell you what the conversation took
31:12
place during indiscernible Epstein? He said he sounded upbeat and
31:17
that she didn't think he committed suicide. It didn't sound
31:20
like he was doing that. Redacted. But did she say
31:23
anything that they talked about though, Epstein, No. I didn't
31:27
want to get too personal and Jane at the time,
31:30
it was like, you know, my brother is dead. I
31:33
indiscernible conversation that I need to know, you know? Redacted?
31:38
When did you speak with her? Epstein? A number of
31:40
times since then? Redacted? Okay, But when specifically you talked
31:44
about the conversation that she had with Jeffrey indiscernible Epstein.
31:49
I don't remember the exact date, but I think it
31:51
was just a few weeks of the death redacted. Okay.
31:54
But she didn't tell you anything specifically about why he
31:57
contacted her or what they spoke about Epstein, no question, no,
32:02
just that he sounded up beat Epstein. Yeah he was. Yeah,
32:06
that's like she made indiscernible redacted. Was she surprised that
32:11
he called her Epstein? I don't know, to be honest
32:14
with you, I didn't ask her that much. She didn't say,
32:18
oh shit, yeah. I didn't get any kind of reaction
32:20
from her. Redacted. All right, do you know if Jeffrey
32:25
changed his will leading up to August ninth? Epstein? I
32:28
was told he changed his will. He did. Now, traditionally,
32:31
my brother and I were not in each other's wills
32:34
because I don't need his money, he don't need my money,
32:36
so he changed the will. From my understanding, now, I'm
32:40
not the executive of his estate. That has nothing to
32:43
do with his estate. The executives don't even talk to
32:46
me or anything. But from what I understand, all of
32:49
his assets were put into a trust, or they were
32:52
supposed to be put into a trust after Jeffrey died,
32:55
and they paid out all the money to the victims
32:57
and is redacted, and the trust dictates what happens to
33:01
his money. I'm not the trustee and I'm not privy
33:03
to his trust redacted who did you hear it from
33:07
that he put it in his will? He changed his
33:09
will Epstein while it was public knowledge. Yeah, and his
33:12
attorneys also told me that he changed his will. But
33:16
this is in the paper. This was indiscernible, and he
33:19
was trying to use that as well. He was contemplating suicide.
33:23
I think maybe he was contemplating being killed in prison
33:25
and wanted to make sure that his will was up
33:27
to date. I don't think it was fear. I don't
33:30
think it was fear of suicide. I think, you know,
33:33
I don't think he was planning suicide. I think anything
33:36
he was indiscernible about being in prison indiscernible stories redacted.
33:42
And do you know anything about him like being placed
33:44
on suicide watch and taken off? Do you know anything Epstein. Yeah,
33:48
he was placed on suicide watch and he was taken
33:50
off exactly the reasons. I don't know. They never told
33:54
me redacted. Do you know if anyone from outside, such
33:57
as his attorneys or anybody like that called anyone to
34:01
ask him to be taken off suicide watch? Epstein? Only
34:04
what the paper said, So I don't have any first
34:07
hand knowledge of it. Redacted. And you've never gotten to
34:10
speak with his attorneys. They never disclosed the information. Epstein,
34:14
not very much, no question. Okay, so just the papers.
34:18
Other than having that conversation with indiscernible, have you spoken
34:21
with anyone on the outside. Epstein, No question, right, Epstein. Oh,
34:27
so David Shone the attorney who was going to go
34:31
ask me because he also said that indiscernible suicide. Yeah,
34:35
I was surprised because he felt he said, Jeff felt
34:38
positive about the defense they were going to go with,
34:41
you know, in the prosecution redacted, and David Shon met
34:44
them on Friday. Epstein. Excuse me, redacted? You mentioned David
34:49
Shon met with him on Friday. Epstein. No, no, no, no,
34:52
David Shon had met with him in jail. I think
34:55
before he died, not the day. I think it was
34:57
before redacted. You mentioned something about an hon prosecution from Florida.
35:01
Can you explain that? Epstein? Yeah, in two thousand and six.
35:04
I think it was when he first got in trouble
35:06
in Florida. You know, when he got back whatever he
35:09
got his sweetheart deal, which I was told he got
35:12
a sweetheart deal because the girls that were planning to
35:14
be victims were actually determined to be very unreliable witnesses
35:19
because they found their Facebook pages with drugs and sex
35:22
and one of the girls was a prostitute and a mother.
35:25
You know, all kinds of these are not clean cut
35:27
little Catholic school girls, you know. So he got made
35:30
the deal back in two thousand and six, and part
35:32
of the deal was he had to sign the prosecution
35:35
agreement for him and the other unnamed individuals, and that's
35:40
what he was living on ever since. You know, just
35:42
there was this note. From what I understand, I haven't
35:45
seen any evidence that he was with underage women at
35:48
that point in time, like get out of jail and
35:51
then you know, thirteen months. Never see that he got
35:54
a house. You know, he got a good deal after that.
35:56
I mean we used to There's a joke, you know,
35:58
and I told him, you know, his brother and said
36:00
some passports scare him. So a girl comes in wants
36:04
to show him that she's in the estate team. You know,
36:07
we're joking around. So and as far as I know,
36:10
there have been no claims of him being with underage
36:13
women and all the stuff that he will, I don't
36:16
think it it's the case. But yes, redacted, you mentioned
36:19
the non prosecution agreement as the fact that he believed
36:22
he was getting out of prison. Epstein. No, No, he
36:25
got out of prison. He served his time, and he
36:28
was sentenced too. But at the time, and this is public,
36:31
he had a non prosecution agreement with the federal government,
36:34
you know, the same one that was with the Southern
36:36
District or whatever what Florida park or. I don't know
36:40
the like the lingo. I don't get in trouble, so
36:43
I'm not up on the indiscernible As far as I know.
36:47
This one is federal government, Epstein. And if you make
36:50
a deal in the non prosecution agreement with the federal government,
36:53
well that's the federal government. It's not like the New
36:56
York people. Federal here have the right to indiscernible Greenland
37:00
and Epstein. So was it? Why was it your SD?
37:05
You know? Another theory about that, okay, is that in
37:08
the screen before he was arrested, one of the victims
37:11
went to the FBI and said that she was in
37:13
his house. It was down on First Street, and he
37:15
had this expensive camera system and boom, boom, boom. Now
37:19
go to the bathroom. All this kinds of stuff. Now,
37:22
the one thing about Jeffrey is that Jeffrey was a bullshitter.
37:25
He would say things just to be provocative. Now, he
37:29
had an extensive video room when we first walked into
37:32
the house on the right, because I was there years
37:34
ago with lots of monitors, but they were all on
37:37
the outside of the building for security, and inside the
37:40
front door and inside the back door. There wasn't cameras
37:43
throughout the house. And I've spoken with people who knew
37:45
the house, people who worked at the house, and they
37:48
like said that extensive video system that house didn't exist.
37:52
But the FBI got this information that it did. And
37:55
then a few months later he gets arrested and they
37:57
break into his house with a search warrant, And I
38:00
would like to see that search warrant. That is what
38:02
because in the search warrant you have to state what
38:05
you're looking for, right, You can't just use it as
38:07
a fishing trip. So what is it that they were
38:10
looking for? Because they broke into his house and they
38:12
cut the safe open. But you heard that he had
38:14
about seventy thousand in cash and diamonds. Well, he's a
38:17
very wealthy man. He does not have cash and diamonds,
38:21
you know. And he had some expired old passport for
38:24
some indiscernible long story for that. But what were they
38:29
looking for? Who was indiscernible to get into this house
38:33
to look for? Who were they looking for? And are
38:35
they looking for the tapes of somebody on the street.
38:39
They had some tapes they're not exist, which didn't exist.
38:42
And then he was arrested. And you know, it's cool,
38:45
And like I said, he set you up as a crook.
38:48
I said, he has enough word on both gang weights
38:50
to have the election canceled in two thousand and six.
38:53
This doesn't alleviate if you forget everything else, everything I
38:57
showed you here and everything you know. Now, would you
39:00
just say yes, it was a suicide. I wouldn't, and
39:03
not because, like I said, not because I'm his brother.
39:06
It just doesn't add up to a suicide. Like I said,
39:09
And trust me, if he committed suicide, my life would
39:12
have been a lot easier this time. I've had debt threats.
39:15
I've been in touch with the FBI and NYPD for
39:18
those two years, and I have hired arm guards for that.
39:22
When I met with Steve Bannon after I saw the
39:24
tape that my brother sent to me after his death,
39:27
I contacted Steve Bannon and I'm indiscernible. What's this about,
39:31
you know? And I know that Bannon I actually had
39:34
a indiscernible. I didn't because I didn't know who was indiscernible.
39:39
I knew him walking to a hotel and be talked
39:41
taking out the garbage like show, you know, and armed guards.
39:45
And Bannon told me about the sixteen hours of tape,
39:48
and he told me he said that the tape should
39:50
protect him and that the attorney client privilege as witness preparation.
39:55
But Bannon is not an attorney redacted? And which tapes
39:58
were we talking about right now? Epstein? The sixteen hours
40:02
of videotape interview that indiscernible with my brother redacted? Off
40:08
of what we've talked about at least thus far. Who
40:11
do you think we should speak with that would have
40:13
the first hand knowledge that would be willing to speak
40:16
with us? Epstein, Well, I think you should talk to
40:18
the guards, the EMT guards, and I think it's redacted
40:22
or something redacted. Those are the two EMT guards. Epstein
40:27
find out from them who was directing the operation in
40:29
the prison. Why did they move the body out when
40:32
they weren't supposed to move the body out. Who was
40:34
directing them to do that? Who was there? Redacted? Okay, Epstein?
40:39
And then in the hospital when he was there, I mean,
40:42
I don't know to the fire department, guys, where body cameras? EMTs?
40:46
I don't know, you know, But in like I said,
40:49
there was a handful of cameras in the hospital when
40:51
they took them. There were four people there, two EMTs
40:54
and two other people. And someone would have had a
40:57
video camera of that. And why did they dress them
41:00
in a hospital gown? Redacted? Okay, Epstein? You know, why
41:04
are they trying to make him look? Like Bannon told me,
41:07
there's a prison culture here. Nobody dies in prison, you know.
41:11
They find a dead body, they ship them to the
41:13
hospital and it's declared dead in the hospital. That's traditional
41:17
in the prison system because they don't want to deal
41:19
with the dead body in prison. And that seems to
41:22
be indiscernible as well. But what are they trying to,
41:25
you know, to take him out, trying to innovate them.
41:28
These guys are trained. Yeah, now they know he's not
41:32
coming back redacted, Yeah, Epstein, So why the charade and
41:38
why are we in here? There was a camera guy
41:41
there right, who took the photographs? You got people questioning
41:44
how did he know to be there? Why was he
41:48
there by the prison early that morning to take photographs
41:51
and indiscernible, no doubt redacted. Which camera guy are you
41:55
talking about, Richmond, the guy that had indiscernible poster Epstein? Yeah,
42:00
I knew his name redacted. I believe it was redacted.
42:05
He was at the hospital or he was at the prison.
42:07
Epstein at the prison redacted, Okay, redacted. When mister Epstein
42:12
was being rolled out Epstein. Yeah, he's on the gurney
42:16
and he's covered in a sheet. They have a neck
42:18
brace on him. He's innovated. They have a thing down
42:21
his throat and that's squeezing one of those the A
42:25
balloons to try to get air into his lungs. Yeah,
42:27
which use on like drowning victims and indiscernible. So I
42:31
was like, why, you know, why the charade? And also
42:35
from the time they got there they took him down,
42:38
there's no pulse. Obviously he's not breathing. You know, the
42:41
body can only last a few minutes under that condition.
42:44
They got up there, he was found dead, and you know,
42:47
they do whatever they do in there, they cut them open,
42:50
they try to defibrillate them, right, because that's the thing
42:53
on the other picture, the defibrillator angle. And there's electric
42:56
cord in the room because he slept with the sea
42:58
pat machine, which I didn't know he used one, but
43:01
turns out he did. And he was in the room
43:04
with his electric cord, you know, and in the photographs.
43:07
Let me see if I can find this photo here redacted?
43:10
Why are you looking that up? I know you might
43:12
have answered this. Did you have any communication with him
43:15
when he was in prison? Epstein no, redacted. Did he
43:18
email you or call you? Epstein no, redacted anything like that, Epstein, nope, redacted.
43:25
What about any other family redacted, as redacted said, did
43:29
he contact anybody? Epstein No, there's no one in the
43:33
family redacted, So you don't know anybody aside from his
43:36
attorneys who spoke to indiscernible on a night or spoke
43:40
to indiscernible Epstein, no, redacted. He spoke with you, Epstein.
43:45
I sent him a letter in prison. I have no
43:47
idea if you ever got it. Redacted. In terms of
43:50
other siblings, you were his only sibling, Epstein, yeah, redacted.
43:54
The parents Epstein deceased Epstein. My father died in ninety one,
43:58
thirty years ago, and my mother died in two thousand
44:01
and four. Epstein, two thousand and four. Yeah, they were older.
44:05
It was right around when Jeff first got in trouble
44:07
in two thousand and six. He called me and asked
44:09
me if I'm at his house, which is you know,
44:12
like after my mother died, I moved back because most
44:15
of our communication, it seems Jeff was rather indiscernible health
44:18
issues and being close to the family. Like, he called
44:21
me to his house because he wanted to tell me
44:23
himself that he was getting in trouble, you know, for indiscernible.
44:26
And the first thing I said to him, I said, well, indiscernible,
44:29
mom's dead. It's looking like they're about to kill her.
44:32
Indiscernible some issues, so redacted, how long did you take care?
44:38
So you said that you had ghosted a large part
44:41
of indiscernible And how much do you indiscernible Epstein, you
44:45
can hold whatever his bell was redacted and cut off. Epstein, Well,
44:49
his belle, his bell itself was one hundred plus million
44:52
somewhere in that. I don't know the exact number, but
44:55
whatever it was I paid them redacted. Yeah, okay, all right, folks,
45:01
we're gonna wrap up right here, and in the next
45:03
episode we're gonna pick up where we left off. All
45:06
the information that goes with this episode can be found
45:09
in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome to
45:12
another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're
45:16
going to dive right back in to the Mark Epstein
45:19
interview with the OIG Investigators. Epstein, well, his bell, his
45:25
bell itself was one hundred plus one hundred million, somewhere
45:29
in that range. I don't know the exact number, but
45:31
whatever it was, I paid them redacted. Yeah, okay, Epstein,
45:36
I have his indiscernible. The house in Florida is a
45:40
small part Epstein technically the first bell. He called me
45:46
and asked me if I would participate in his bell
45:48
because he's explaining that it's a better show if other
45:51
people are willing. So I said, sure, put in my
45:55
house in Florida, Epstein. That's worth two hundred thousand. That's
46:00
not indiscernible. And then come the appeal, you know, indiscernible.
46:04
Days but prior to his death, they called me and
46:07
they explained that, you know, they're going to do this appeal,
46:10
and he was pretty much you know, at the house
46:12
which you can find indiscernible. I think he was in
46:16
jail for indiscernible, you know, a couple of close to
46:19
one hundred nights. They asked me if I would guarantee
46:22
his indiscernible. I said yes, so I don't remember the
46:25
exact number. But he wasn't worried about it because, like
46:29
I said, he gets cut off by redacted. No, no,
46:32
I'm just Epstein cuts him off. I'm just going to
46:35
show up redacted for especially when we had heard that
46:41
you guys, we are estranged. But if I can say,
46:43
my guests would be that you actually weren't and you
46:45
actually agreed to post bail and indiscernible. How much money
46:49
was it, Epstein up to it was somewhere in the
46:52
range of one hundred million redacted. Okay, you got that
46:55
type of money, mister Epstein. Indiscernible, you'll see redact. But
47:00
you mentioned another there was one other person I thought
47:03
you said that was also involved Epstein. Yeah, David Mitchell question,
47:08
just the two of you Epstein, as far as I know, Yeah,
47:10
that's the only people I've ever known yeah, Richmond, I
47:14
don't know if that bail application was final. It might
47:17
be Epstein. Okay, give me indiscernible redacted cut them off.
47:23
And it was Jeffrey's lawyers that reached out to you
47:25
about that. Ebstein. Yeah, well, the one lawyer redacted he
47:29
works in prison. Indiscernible. Actually, yeah, a long time ago,
47:34
like thirty years ago. He worked in a law firm
47:36
and Jeffrey and I both used that law firm. I
47:39
used it for low stuff. Indiscernible always there, but I
47:42
haven't seen him in a very long time until this indiscernible,
47:46
So he might be personal. Yeah, Okay. In these pictures
47:49
he's by the cell. You see this electric cord here.
47:52
It's like in the room access he would have to
47:54
have the door. The door swung open, and the electrical
47:57
cord was there. That was I think his bhibilater or something.
48:01
And I've seen the machine, but you could see there
48:04
is an electric chord in that picture of the electric chord.
48:07
What is that? Yeah, and in the picture I'm looking
48:10
for it shows that electric chord. Really it's plugged into
48:13
the extension on the other side of the door, so
48:16
it was obviously moved redacted. Indiscernible. Epstein. Yeah, let me
48:20
go back, let me get rid of this and go back. Redacted. Okay,
48:25
are these the scenes for us? Epstein? No, this is
48:28
my only copy of these redacted. Okay, Epstein, Okay, here,
48:32
oh oh, oh fucking hell. All right. You see here
48:35
the electric cord is on the outside of the room,
48:37
and the other picture the door was opened and this
48:39
knot and stuff was on the inside of the door.
48:42
So somebody moved that for some reason because he didn't indiscernible,
48:47
and it's just like a discrepancy redacted. I see, Epstein.
48:52
And supposedly there was a lot of activity after he
48:54
was gone, at least that you can see in the
48:56
picture redacted. So it's always good for us to have
49:00
indiscernible along with the photographs and perhaps the indiscernible. Epstein.
49:05
I can make the copies and send them to you. Redacted.
49:07
Oh my, that would be great, Epstein, No problem, Epstein. Yeah,
49:13
give me your cards and I'll send redacted. Okay, Epstein,
49:16
So you guys can he gets cut off. Well, if
49:18
there's anything, if there's something else that we're missing, Epstein, yeah, redacted,
49:23
just let me know when you first started were you
49:27
aware that mister Epstein went through his life he indiscernible
49:30
with his life. You didn't seem surprised. Were you surprised Epstein?
49:34
I wasn't surprised. I'm pretty level headed, you know, so
49:37
I don't so these don't surprise me. I've seen a
49:40
lot of shit in my life. You know. I haven't
49:42
been in the military, but military people have told me
49:45
I should have been in the military because I'm always
49:47
the one with the cool head, you know, when all
49:49
the shit breaks loose. So I wasn't surprised. It was
49:53
a little bit shocking that he was dead. But like
49:55
I said, I assumed, okay, you were on CNN that
49:58
he committed suicide, so you originally you don't have reason
50:02
to question. You just assume that that's the case. I
50:05
mean that and the reason that he committed suicide, again
50:08
knowing you know that he was potentially facing a long
50:11
term prison sentence. He didn't have kids to worry about,
50:14
he didn't have to worry about me. Our parents are dead.
50:17
There's no other relative that he was close to in
50:19
that way. So I assumed, Okay, that's what he did,
50:23
you know. But as I finished my breakfast, you know
50:25
it's but you know I didn't, and like I said,
50:28
I assumed if that was his choice, then I respect
50:31
it because look, if I was in his shoes, I
50:33
have kids, you know, like I said, If I didn't
50:35
have kids, and I was potentially facing but I did.
50:39
You know, we're not religious people. We were both raised atheists,
50:43
so you know, we don't have that kind of fear
50:45
or anything. Yeah, I might choose to take myself out,
50:48
but I would certainly wait for the bell hearing to pass.
50:51
That's what indiscernible. And Jeffrey wasn't a stupid man, so
50:54
you know, I'm sure he would have waited for that
50:57
as well, because it doesn't make sense to kill himself
51:00
two days before a bell hearing where your bell is
51:04
going to be the highest bell ever in the United
51:06
States with a guarantee redacted. I know you mentioned you
51:11
didn't communicate with him after his arrest his last arrest
51:13
in July, But before that did he ever mention about
51:16
possibly committing suicide? Was he ever depressed? Epstein? No, never, never, never, never,
51:23
no question. Did he ever show any tendency toward wanting
51:27
to take his life? Epstein never, never, No, that wasn't him.
51:32
He had no reason to. He had like, he had
51:34
a life that you and me go anywhere we want.
51:37
He had more money than God. He did what he wanted,
51:40
you know, if he wanted to do it with me,
51:42
if he had yes people surrounding him who catered his eyewey.
51:46
I think it means every way, but it says eyeweigh
51:48
here redacted right. Epstein flying around on his private jets.
51:53
He was the indiscernible all over the place, lots of women.
51:56
You know, he doesn't side story. My mother indiscernible. You know,
52:00
obviously you're going to settle down. And I said to her,
52:03
I said, he hasn't settled down because if he found
52:05
a quality woman to settle down with instead of these
52:08
bimbos that he's hanging out with, she would eventually say, yes,
52:12
you know, why don't we do this instead of that?
52:15
That was what he wanted, I said, And that's why
52:18
she gets shown the door. Because he didn't want to
52:21
do anything that he didn't want to do, and he
52:24
was able to have the life that way. There was
52:26
no reason for him to kill himself or think about
52:29
killing himself. He was healthy, He wasn't facing any medical
52:32
issues or whatever, you know redacted, being his brother and
52:36
knowing him the way you do. Do you think that
52:38
the Bell, if he was actually going to be released,
52:41
would he have any fear of being out in public
52:43
because people then now perceiving him a certain way. Epstein, Well,
52:48
he had that whole thing from two thousand and six.
52:50
He's been shunned by you know, society since that first
52:53
thing in two thousand and six. You know, like when
52:56
he's in business, he used to you know, handle the undiscernible.
53:00
That's where he made a lot of his money, you
53:02
know what I'm saying with the indiscernible. So Wexlan Wexner
53:07
distanced himself from that because you know, people would be
53:09
seeing the old Jeffrey Epstein because of his initial thing
53:12
in two thousand and six in that period of time.
53:15
So yeah, so he already went through that shunning, you know,
53:18
and you know it is what it was. He was
53:21
trying to rehabilitate his reputation at the time. That's why
53:24
Bannon was helping him, because Bannon was going to come
53:27
out with another story and there's another there's people from
53:30
Australia and you'll see soon in the paper that they're
53:33
coming out with a whole story about this case with
53:35
Glenn Maxwell and the brother and these victims who they're
53:39
claiming were not really victims, you know, you know that
53:42
these are just, as my mother used to say, good
53:45
time Charlie's girls, looking for a good time. You know.
53:48
If it was so victimish, you know, then how come
53:51
all these girls brought their friends to participate in these parties.
53:54
There was an interview on TV last year. It was
53:56
set in Britain, some British woman who indiscernible, my brother,
54:00
who had been to some of the dinner parties at
54:02
my brother's house and so, you know, and she started saying,
54:06
there were two journalists indiscernible. She started saying how these
54:09
girls were not victims, you know, that were enjoying the
54:11
high life, flying around in private jets, being in these
54:14
amazing homes. I mean, his house pays them, you know.
54:18
And then and once she started turning the tide on
54:20
these poor victims, the journalist shut it down because at
54:23
the time, nobody wants to hear anything positive about Jeff.
54:27
Nobody wants to hear anything negative about his victims. You know,
54:30
Jeff was just enjoying the time redacted do you know
54:34
if he was aware that you'll put it up and
54:36
agree to be the guarantee or guaranteur for the bell. Epstein.
54:40
I think his attorney's told him that. Yeah, question, same
54:43
thing with David Mitchell. You think the attorneys screwed redacted Epstein.
54:47
I would imagine, so, yeah, question, Okay, Richmond. You can
54:51
check the MCC records that he was meeting with his
54:54
attorneys all day and indiscernible the entire day every day, Richmond,
54:59
because all of the rest of us had to wait
55:01
because you couldn't see anybody else from the shoe Epstein indiscernible. Also,
55:06
when a couple of the weeks before he died, he
55:08
had that incident with redacted, his cellmate at the time,
55:11
Tartaglioni redacted, Uh huh, Epstein. There's conflicting stories about it.
55:17
You know. David Shon said that and publicly that Tartaglioni
55:21
attacked him one afternoon, and it was trying to say
55:24
that was like a suicide attempt. So who knows where
55:27
it took place or if Tartaglioni attacked him, and then
55:30
Tartaglioni was still on the tier indiscernible redacted. Now do
55:35
you know if Jeffrey spoke at all with anyone, if
55:37
his attorneys know anything about Epstein being attacked by TARTAGLIONI Epstein,
55:42
David Shoon is the one that would talk to me
55:44
about that redacted. So that's Epstein cuts them off. Like
55:48
I said, his attorney don't give me very much information
55:51
on that I was involved in the case, and that
55:54
indiscernible in place and you don't see my name anywhere. Yes,
55:58
question redacted. But Jeffrey specifically told him, is what you're saying, Epstein? Yeah,
56:04
question just heard of that Epstein. No, No, David Shoon
56:08
melt with Jeffrey in jail, and that's why David Shoon
56:11
said that Jeffrey was upbeat about the defense redacted. Okay, Epstein,
56:16
you know, relying on another prosecution. Oh that's what got
56:20
Bill Cosby out right, another prosecution a non disclosure agreement, Yeah,
56:24
which I believe is the defense that Glenn Maxwell. You know,
56:27
but I'm not an attorney, and they charge indiscernible redacted.
56:32
Anything else we know about or follow up with Epstein,
56:35
like I said, like I would like to talk you know,
56:39
who were the unnamed guards number one and number two,
56:42
you know, a list of people in the tier. Michael
56:44
Thomas found him in the morning, so he was in
56:47
there assuming that bar was right, and nobody went in
56:50
and out. Like I said, if he was going to
56:52
be killed, nobody would go in and out to kill him. Right,
56:55
how are you going to do that? But if you
56:57
plan something, you know, to kill him, you know, that's
56:59
how you commits suicide. That's a lot of things a
57:02
suicide redacted prior to getting murdered. Epstein. No, he wasn't.
57:06
He was murdered redacted, indiscernible, Epstein. But the dude who
57:11
murdered made it look like a suicide. That's the undiscernible redacted. Oh,
57:16
I got it. I understand what you're saying. All right,
57:18
So yeah, from you or anything that we've discussed, if
57:22
you want to attach that video as well as the
57:25
photographs and the recording, you can just send it to
57:27
us through your attorney Epstein Okay, redacted. And I'm grateful
57:32
that we can have other stuff to follow up on Epstein. Okay, Epstein. Yeah,
57:37
So the guards who the guards were, Like I said,
57:40
I wouldn't mind talking to Michael Thomas and finding out
57:42
what position was Jeffrey in when he first saw him,
57:46
when he first found him. That's very crucial what position
57:49
Jeffrey was in when Michael found him. The videotape in
57:52
the hospital, you know, with the indiscernible, you know, with
57:55
the FD and line guys that we both talk. I
57:59
tried to go down to the station or the shoe yeah,
58:02
indiscernible around to talk to them, and I'm indiscernible redacted,
58:07
who won't talk to you? Epstein. I was trying to
58:09
get the fire department guys redacted, Oh okay, Epstein, to
58:13
try to get them to talk to me, but they
58:15
won't talk. I'm the next of kin. I'm entitled to
58:18
all this information redacted, sure, Epstein. And they ain't got shit,
58:23
you know, other than this paperwork redacted? Yeah, Epstein. Also,
58:28
what happens with the test and with the DNA and
58:30
indiscernible Was that test ever done? What were the results
58:33
of that test? I mean, if it was a real artist,
58:36
then you may not find anything. Was the test done?
58:39
And what led the chief medical examiner to declare it
58:42
was a suicide just a few days after it was
58:45
pending forever investigation, Richmond. There was never an investigation. Epstein, Yeah,
58:52
what investigation took place? There was no indication that any
58:55
investigation took place, which, like other than bar saying well, well,
59:00
he sort of nobody went in and out. That convinced
59:03
him it was suicide Richmond. That came later. Epstein, Yeah,
59:07
it came later. That came later, redacted. Are you aware
59:11
of when they actually thought they deemed it a suicide? Richmond?
59:15
It was the Friday, the following Friday, redacted, So that Friday.
59:20
So he was found on Saturday, the following that Friday. Epstein.
59:24
It was like five days Richmond. Yeah, Epstein, it was
59:27
something like five days Richmond. But we had heard from
59:31
the media that they were changing it. That's why we
59:34
called into the Medical Examiner's office, like, what the hell's
59:36
going on? What are you talking about? Where you going
59:40
or getting this from? It made no sense because there
59:43
hadn't been a full investigation, Epstein. The city pathologist and
59:47
doctor Boden, they did the autopsy, Richmond. They were present, Yes, Epstein,
59:52
they were present. They did the autopsy. They said, this
59:55
looks more like murder than a suicide. And then the
59:58
chief Medical Examiner declares it's a aside from before. What
1:00:02
is she basing that on? Redacted? When they do the autopsy,
1:00:05
is it recorded, Richmond, yes, redacted? Is it video recorded? Richmond?
1:00:11
It's audio recorded, Epstein and the photographs redacted doctor indiscernible
1:00:18
recording Richmond. We don't have the recording redacted, but if
1:00:22
there was, he would be doing the recording Richmond. He
1:00:25
was there, Epstein, Yeah, because he spoke it Richmond, of course. Epstein.
1:00:29
He said that he did whatever he asked them to
1:00:31
do certain things indiscernible, so he wouldn't have to do
1:00:35
a second autopsy. It would be closer. If he's standing there.
1:00:39
They indiscernible asked him whatever he wanted, you know. Yeah,
1:00:45
they changed it. We don't understand why redacted. And did
1:00:49
they agree to the to it to be changed. Epstein, No, Richmond, No,
1:00:54
but they didn't ask him. Epstein, No, he wasn't consulted. Richmond.
1:01:00
He was surprised. Epstein. Yeah, Well you can talk to
1:01:03
him if he's around, go talk to him and discernible.
1:01:07
For contact information you have, is there any contact information
1:01:10
you would like to provide Epstein for redacted, I think
1:01:13
Biden or Boden, I mean redacted for any of the
1:01:17
people that you we have David Shoan, David Mitchell redacted
1:01:21
or can you provide it through your attorney Richmond, Why
1:01:24
don't you just send it all to me and I'll
1:01:26
just forward it to them. Anyone you can think that
1:01:30
question that we should you think that we should speak
1:01:34
of or two? And the contact information that you have,
1:01:37
I'm not talking about like the guards or things like that. Richmond. Well,
1:01:41
we don't have that redacted, right and I mean, we
1:01:45
have all that stuff, but as far as the outside
1:01:47
of the government. Epstein, Oh, well, I'll give you David
1:01:50
Shoan's number. I have it right here. Gives him the number.
1:01:54
Great guy, by the way, talking to he's really super redacted.
1:01:59
What about Mitchell David Mitchell Epstein redacted because I knew
1:02:02
David Mitchell from long ago, and I haven't seen her
1:02:05
spoken to David Mitchell probably in a couple of decades
1:02:08
until this came about. That's when we reconnected. When I
1:02:11
found out that he also put money, you know, the
1:02:13
bail up for Jeffrey, we reconnected. Question what about Mitchell
1:02:17
David Mitchell Epstein redacted because I knew David Mitchell from
1:02:21
long ago. And I haven't seen her spoken to David
1:02:24
Mitchell probably in a couple of decades until this came about.
1:02:27
That's when we reconnected. When I found out that he
1:02:31
also put money, you know, the bill up for Jeffrey,
1:02:33
we reconnected. Anything else, Epstein. Back in the nineties and
1:02:38
early two thousands, Jeffrey and I did stuff all the time.
1:02:41
We were much closer to him, but then indiscernible, you know,
1:02:45
just got indiscernible redacted. Is there any communication via email
1:02:49
that would have been that you had with Jeffrey that
1:02:51
would help us out? Epstein? Well, I might have the
1:02:55
back and forth between him and I with about the
1:02:58
videotape Richmond on huh Epstein, Yeah, that was forwarded to
1:03:02
me from Bannon. Yeah, there's nothing else. Really. Like I said,
1:03:06
most of the communication with us was, you know, telling
1:03:09
me funny things or just keep them indiscernible with every
1:03:14
cousin and things like that. So redacted, maybe you talked
1:03:18
amongst your attorney if there is any communication that you
1:03:21
guys have that might be helpful for us. Epstein, Yeah,
1:03:24
of course, yeah, redacted. Do you know of anyone else
1:03:27
that communicated with Jeffrey while he was in prison other
1:03:30
than his attorneys Epstein while just redacted Richmond, I don't
1:03:34
think I mean he doesn't know his social circle Epstein, Yeah, Richmond.
1:03:39
So he doesn't know his friends or who he was
1:03:41
in business with or anything along that line, and he's
1:03:45
been shut down. I've tried to reach out to people
1:03:47
in the estate. He wanted to have wrongful death suit
1:03:50
for his brother, but the estate has the right. He
1:03:52
doesn't have that right, and they shouldn't. They shouldn't reach
1:03:55
out to him. Epstein. Yeah. And I'm not happy about
1:03:59
the estate when gave me that right to file a
1:04:01
wrongful death suit, because even if I did it that way,
1:04:04
the money, whatever money it's going to bring. Look, it's
1:04:07
a slam dun case for wrongful death redacted? Who was
1:04:11
entitled to that money? Was it the estate? Epstein? It
1:04:14
belonged to the estate redacted? And who was he gets
1:04:18
cut off by Epstein, the trustee, the executives redacted? Who
1:04:21
are they? Epstein redacted and redacted? Wait? What were the
1:04:26
name Epstein? Redacted? Redacted? Can you spell the last name
1:04:31
for me, mister Epstein redacted? And who was the other person?
1:04:35
Questions asked Epstein. It was redacted? Right, Richmond. I'm not sure.
1:04:40
I think there's another executive as well, Epstein. There was
1:04:44
a third one as an alternate Richmond, right, But I
1:04:47
think Epstein cuts her off who was declined Richmond and
1:04:52
doesn't want to be part of it. He didn't even
1:04:54
know redacted. And who are these people Richmond? The estate
1:04:58
executives Epstein, Well, redacted is long term Richmond an attorney Epstein,
1:05:05
that was my brother's private attorney. So he's talking about
1:05:08
Darren Endyke. He worked for Jeff for a long time
1:05:11
and she's worked with him indiscernible redacted, I think was redacted.
1:05:16
I don't think he's an attorney. I think he's like
1:05:18
an accountant or something. He also paid indiscernible. And these
1:05:21
people are entitled to all. So he's talking about Indike
1:05:24
and con obviously question and these people are entitled to
1:05:28
it all, Epstein. They're in control of the estate Richmond.
1:05:32
It's whatever the trustees we don't know redacted, Okay, Epstein,
1:05:37
I mean I believe that the trustees also when he
1:05:40
you know, money on this day gets transferred off the
1:05:44
trust and then the trust got you know, it says
1:05:46
what's to be done with it? And those guys I
1:05:49
believe are under the trustee as well. Yeah, now I
1:05:52
don't know. Like I said, the wrongful death case, the
1:05:55
wrongful death suit is that a slam dunk. And I
1:05:58
just want to point out if it was successful, there
1:06:01
could have been more money in the pocket for the
1:06:03
victims or for whatever, you know, if they're getting his money,
1:06:06
but the executives, the executors chose not to do it.
1:06:11
I question that, and I question because there's a deal
1:06:13
coming in because both redacted and redacted are being looked
1:06:17
at and investigated, so they're rolling up all their sleeves,
1:06:20
and from what I heard, they've also they've hired criminal
1:06:24
defense attorneys for the case. So there's some deal coming in.
1:06:29
It would be going for wrongful death if something indiscernible redacted, Okay, Well,
1:06:34
if there's anything else, Epstein, Okay, you could always contact
1:06:39
us by phone or whatever. Epstein, okay, redacted, and we
1:06:42
will talk some more about that. Otherwise we'll look forward
1:06:46
to that other email. Epstein. You have cards? Can I
1:06:48
have your cards? Redacted? I don't think I actually have
1:06:51
a card, Epstein. Well, if not redacted, yeah, give it
1:06:55
to me, Richmond. Yeah, you can go through me at Stein. Okay, okay, Richmond, okay. Redacted, Well,
1:07:04
thank you for taking the time to talk to us.
1:07:07
Mister Epstein, well, pleasure might be the wrong word. Redacted.
1:07:11
It's eleven forty am on September twenty second, twenty twenty one,
1:07:15
and we're ending the interview. This is Special Agent redacted.
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