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When Outward Success Is No Longer Enough · Just Be True ~ A Soul-Led Podcast

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So the question today is what happens when you
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build a life that looks successful from the outside
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But your soul keeps whispering that there's something
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more Today's guest Jeffrey understands that question
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deeply and for more than three decades Jeffrey
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led a successful steel company following the
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path centered around achievement, responsibility,
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and financial security. But by the age of 50
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he was courageous enough to make the decision
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to step away from the corporate world and follow
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a deeper spiritual calling. Today Jeffrey is
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a spiritual life coach, channeler, and energy
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intuitive. He is also a channeler of a collective
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spiritual energy whose teaching center on healing
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authenticity, trust, self -awareness, and the
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evolution of human consciousness. this conversation,
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Jeffrey and I explore what it truly means to
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live a soul -led life, how it can bring and recognize
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the difference between fear and conditioning
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versus the quieter guidance of the soul and why
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receiving spiritual wisdom is not enough. we
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must learn how to live it we also discuss why
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spirituality is not about escaping the human
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experience it is about meeting life with greater
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awareness compassion and cure and courage and
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love right so if you've ever created a life that
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appeared successful but still felt that like
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something was missing right or a sense that your
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soul was calling you into a new direction Believe
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me, this is a conversation you are not going
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to want to miss. So let's welcome Jeffrey. Hey,
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welcome back to Just Be True A Soul -Led podcast.
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schedule a free discovery call. All right, let's
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get into it. Hi, everyone. Welcome to Just Be
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True, a Soledad podcast. I'm so glad you're here
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today. And I have the amazing pleasure to be
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here with Jeffrey today. What an amazing story
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and a leader in this spiritual space. And thank
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you so much for being here. Thank you for having
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me. Thank you for having me somewhere. It is
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it is truly an honor to be on your podcast. So
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thank you. Absolutely. So when I was reading
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your story, I love I love your story about where
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you came from. And so for the audience, just
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real quick, it's like, Jeffrey came from being
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a successful president of a steel company, of
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all things, and he left the corporate world,
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oh my goodness, at like the age 50, and followed
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your soul's purpose and your guide. And so share
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that with us and how that transitioned for you.
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Yeah, well first of all, you know as you played
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that video I got a tingle in my heart with just
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be true because It's kind of interesting at 74
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now I've been on my journey for over 20 years
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and considering writing a book about the the
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do -over I had and the two lives the privilege
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of having those two lives and I will say that
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you know when I began my journey, I really didn't
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think that the first life was a real privilege
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Because I'm sure you can identify with that summary,
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you know what i'm talking about um But it it
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was the primer it was setting us up for you know
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what? What we're you know here for just the for
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the just be true part and sometimes yeah Sometimes
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you have to experience just be false before you
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can be just be true, right? And so that's what
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I had. That's what I had. And so, and I've talked
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to many people, some people, you know, begin
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their journey, their awakening in a flash. Sometimes
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it'll be something really intense, like a near
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death experience or a job loss breakup, whatever.
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Mine was a little more subtle. I started to get
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the inkling after being in the business for 30
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years. went in very young. I dropped out after
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second year university and went into the family
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business at 21. And so 30 years, 50, 51, I was
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starting to get interested in leadership. I was
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starting, the company grew. I was fascinated
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with starting to bring in culture and training.
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And I just thought it was because the company
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was growing and I had to do it. But it was It
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was that that got me really excited. It started
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to get me feeling like, yeah, just be true. I
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love reading these leadership books. And we hired
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a human resources consultant who helped us with
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the culture. And he was into personal development
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and suggested some personal development books.
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And I remember the first book that he gave me
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when I went off on vacation, it was Robin Sharma
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is the monk who sold his Ferrari and some people
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are familiar with it. He's a Canadian was interesting
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book And it was just like wow that yeah, this
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feels right. This feels true And it turned out
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he became my first coach And I never looked back
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Hung on to the business probably a little bit
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too long because I was kind of afraid to let
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it go Just as when we transition out of that
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um career that we thought we were supposed to
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have uh you're kind of you're not sure you know
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how to do it and and just like in your story
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as we were chatting before the universe made
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it quite clear that um i was to move on and so
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uh you know we started to run into some a little
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bit of financial hardship in the company and
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it's like okay it's time to get out so i did
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uh continued my spiritual journey was reading
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avidly 50, 60 books a year, sampling, healing
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modalities. It was like I was really coming alive.
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And it became quite clear to me that this is
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what I'm here for. This is that do -over that
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the first 50 years was preparing me for. And
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I haven't looked back. It has been amazing. I
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wouldn't trade it for anything. My spiritual
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journey and my connection to the unseen world
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connection to Shaltazar the entity that I channel
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has has been phenomenal and Throughout all of
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it. I've come to realize that my purpose in life
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is to awaken empower and inspire others by simply
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sharing my love and wisdom and so thanks for
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the opportunity to be here and share my love
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and share my wisdom oh that's beautiful thank
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you so much um so i must say that just be true
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definitely has a purpose behind it um and it
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came along with my own struggle of being truthful
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in my spiritual gifts and i kept hearing over
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and over again just be true just be true just
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be true and so um that was with me during my
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very beginning of this and so when i decided
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to move into a business part of this that's the
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only name that I could come up with and I mean
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so it is Right. Well, and I love it. I love it
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because you know as I mentioned I think the greatest
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gift that I had in my journey is finding the
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authentic me and You know, I always say I always
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wonder but I don't think it's really true that
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maybe it's easier because I'm 74 and it's like
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who cares maybe Older people don't care, but
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I don't know if that's true. I think some people
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some older people still hang on to um, You know
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who they think they're supposed to be but authenticity
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Has been the greatest gift and if I could If
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I could give a gift to everyone in humanity,
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it would be find your authenticity. So that name
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Is very very important. It is very very important
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and they're so There's I mean it it sounds simple,
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but having spent 20 some years I am still discovering
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authentic parts of me and and what's kind of
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interesting is Parts of me that I would sort
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of wonder I'm really I'm kind. I'm generous I'm
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helpful. My wife says oh, you're so kind. You're
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you're so naive like some of those things that
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I kind of thought I was okay with Now I'm really
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okay with it. It's like, yes, I'm okay being
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naive because that naivete has helped me find
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the secrets of the universe, find something out
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about the unseen world. That kindness has allowed
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me to, of course, Shaltazar has taught me that
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all attributes, characteristics, and behaviors
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have a positive and negative side to them. And
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so being kind, sometimes you get taken advantage
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of. Okay, and and so I had to I didn't have to
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I chose to be okay with the fact that sometimes
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I'm going to be taken advantage of because i'm
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so kind And i'm really at that stage where that's
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okay. That's okay. You know if someone Took advantage
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of my kindness. Maybe they needed it more than
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me and i'm okay with that. So um, I I I would
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suggest that finding our true self finding our
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authentic self Comes in layers and it will not
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be you wake up one morning after you've Meditated
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and set the intention of of being true to yourself
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and all of a sudden it's there Doesn't work that
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way right? We have to we have to unlearn some
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of the conditioned behavior and then we have
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to make peace and self -acceptance of the behavior
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that maybe we were taught was not normal not
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acceptable not good enough Would you agree? Absolutely
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100 % right like I mean I've been on this journey
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for I mean a couple of decades now and It's a
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constant evolving right constant change and that
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constant evolving and rediscovering of self So
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it's like once you deal with one layer right,
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another layer exposes itself and then you get
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to work through it as well. So I just feel like
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it's over and over and over again. But, you know,
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I do want to go back to what you said in regards
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to, you know, when we're able to change our perspective
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and look at things a different way. So instead
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of someone looking as if someone's taking advantage
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of us, looking at it as if they need this more
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than I needed at this time. Right and being able
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to change that perspective and change the way
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we look at life and the things that are happening
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in life. It kind of makes it a little bit. Easier,
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I guess. I don't think you can. Continue your
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spiritual journey unless you start working on
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that perspective and a big one for me and it's
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interesting because shelters are helps me with
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these these. perspective shifts these uh, these
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wisdom bites and then I have to experience them
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in my in my everyday life and One I I channeled
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a message. Uh a while ago a couple months ago.
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I haven't recorded it yet Uh, and it's it's around
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people are not who you think they are and I keep
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getting this over and over again where um, I
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think I know who someone is And then all of a
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sudden you get that that lightning bolt perspective
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shift and you say My goodness, I was judging
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that person for being this and I realized they're
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not they're not that so so um, yeah, it's it's
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definitely a journey and Although I thought that
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I covered most of my conditioned beliefs my conditioned
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perspectives early in my journey Um, and most
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of that was like 180 degrees to what I was taught
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I'm still 20 some years later and i'm sure you
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would agree We continue to shift those perspectives.
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It's not It's not black and white. It's not right
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or wrong. There's there's these shades in there
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and and and it's this And the discovering of
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it Let me back up Don't be impatient. Don't be
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impatient in the discovery when I when I began
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my journey and began my work, I I was not ready
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to sort of stand in my own power. So The brand
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that I came up with was awakening the self the
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journey of self -discovery And that was my website.
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That was my brand for the longest time and it
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was only in the last few years that I've changed
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my brand to my name and standing in my name and
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it's JeffreyEisen .com. It's not hiding behind
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awakening the self or the journey of self discovery.
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But just like you just be true, the journey of
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self discovery needed to be part of who I was
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becoming because that was where I was on the
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intense part of that journey of self discovery.
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Who am I? Who am I truly? What are my gifts?
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What are my weaknesses? Loving the parts of me
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that I don't like, feeding into my gift and feeding
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in and owning my power. That was very powerful.
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And again, I encourage all of the listeners,
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be patient. You're not going to read a book and
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have all the answers. You're not going to take
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a course and be there where you want to be. Savor
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the journey, savor the journey of your becoming
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because as long as you are alive, you will continue
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to become something else. Absolutely. And I mean,
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like I'm very much in a phase of becoming at
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this moment, right? Just allowing, just allowing
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things like someone told me, well, what are you
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going to do next? And I'm just like, well, I'm
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just waiting for the bricks to be laid in front
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of me so I can take the path. I'm not laying
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the bricks myself for the first time. Ever right
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and i'm just allowing it to manifest in its own
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way without me i'm gonna control every part of
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it that happens and so it's a little unnerving
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right and so and i'm sure you've been in this
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space before like leaving what we knew what we
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were comfortable with leaving the security of
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a full -time job and stepping in to follow your
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soul's purpose in your dreams and so if people
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are struggling between you know they They got
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a sense that they should be doing something else,
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but they're struggling and they're not. They're
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afraid to take that first step or trade to take
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that, afraid to take that acknowledgement. What
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advice would you give them? Be gentle, be gentle
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with yourself. Don't, don't leap off the building
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right away. Stand out on the balcony. It is so,
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so important. That you go at your own pace now
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The challenge with that is that most of us that
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embark upon our journey have Come off a part
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of our life where you had to push you had to
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have timelines I mean, I remember I remember
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when I was in business Uh, you know, we we would
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be taught and teach the team smart goals specific
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measurable I cannot if I use the word goal now
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I you know, I I tense up I have replaced it with
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intention Intention it is my intention. So it
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it's really really important to to have that
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patience to to To discover layer by layer. We
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don't realize that who we became Happened layer
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at a time and so who we want to become and who
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we truly are Is going to happen the same way
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a layer at a time And it's interesting just as
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you kept hearing just be true Um when I began
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my journey and I started journaling and connecting
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with the unseen world What the phrase that came
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to me? Was release let go and surrender and it
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just every time I would journal so um in order
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for you to to You know find who you truly are
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You have to release who you thought you were
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and that takes time and that takes patience And
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so I think it was einstein that said you cannot
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solve a problem With the same consciousness that
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created the problem the reason we want to find
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Our truth our you know, and and whether it's
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our true self Or our truth in terms of what we
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believe spiritually what we believe about life
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if you want to find it You you have to let go
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of what you were taught. Yeah, like hey Yeah,
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you're not gonna have the right brain and the
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left brain fighting with each other You kind
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of you kind of have to have a little chat with
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the left brain and say okay. All right You know,
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thanks for doing what you did But i'm gonna ask
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you to chill out a little bit and and we're gonna
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bring in some intuition We're gonna bring in
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some some creativity. We're gonna bring in some
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feeling instead of thinking And that's been a
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big one for me a big one Being a male born in
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the 50s um, you know We were taught that you
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had to be thinkers that that your success was
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how many thoughts you had and your in your drive
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and your determination And I remember My father's
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brother my uncle who I was very very close to
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he was partners with my father in business and
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When I was 16, he was 46 and he died of a massive
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heart attack And I was told I was told to be
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strong and not to cry and that was the beginning
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of shoving down those emotions when I Began my
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journey of self -discovery Um, one of the first
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modalities one of the early modalities I went
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to was this wonderful shaman shaman shaman Her
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name was magda Um, and she scanned my body and
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she said that my lower chakras were like a tar
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field of unexpressed emotions Oh, wow Wow now
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that's you'll get you'll get this one I had suffered
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from gastrointestinal issues Most of my life
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a bleeding ulcer at 18 Crohn's disease for most
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of my life. I had this tarfield of unexpressed
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crystallized emotions and so my journaling practice
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my first coach Robin Sharma taught me to get
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up early in the morning and start journaling
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and in the beginning With the help of that that
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shaman. I use that journaling process or practice
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To start letting go of those Unexpressed emotions
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and in the beginning it was you know, I hate
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my mother. I hate my father I you know all of
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that I had to let out all of that I had to find
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the grief that I had suppressed for my my late
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uncle and all of that um and and As I I did I
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started to connect this higher power that kept
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telling me to release let go and surrender and
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um, it was in that letting go that I Started
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to connect to that wisdom and in the journal
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I found myself um just doing uh automatic writing
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just sort of writing from a meditative perspective
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and When they were finished, I would read the
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journal entries to my wife and she's where'd
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that come from? That's not you And it's like,
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yeah, I guess you're right. It doesn't really
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sound like me. And so that's really important.
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So back to your question, the more intensity
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you have in your desire to find the authentic
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self, to be true to whatever it is you're looking
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for on your spiritual journey, the greater the
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intensity will actually slow you down. Will actually
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slow you down you Yeah, you you need to you need
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to to be able to release let go surrender feel
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more think less and Realize that I remember one
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of my coaches telling me Jeffrey you're gonna
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be on this journey for the rest of your life
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And so just relax Relax, it's like oh, but I
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gotta hurry up. I gotta hurry up right i'm 50.
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It's like I'm a late starter. I better get going
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and she said just relax. Just relax enjoy Yeah,
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you're gonna be doing this for the rest of your
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life And I know that now I know that now I will
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be doing this until the day I die Yeah, I I feel
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the same way. Yeah Love your I love that you
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mentioned journaling. That's how mine started
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When I started my awakening process journal,
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man, I journaled all the time And I realized
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that messages were coming through On that journaling
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and so they and I feel and I tell all of my clients
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today I was like we got to start journaling,
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you know And I don't care if you're just turning
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about your emotions or how you feel or how your
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day went because eventually it's gonna open up
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And you're going to allow that channel to move
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through you So when you started so during your
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journaling like when other than your wife saying
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where did this come from? When did you start
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realizing that there was more in that journaling
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than just your conscious mind? Yes Great question,
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but before we get to that, I think it's important
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to I think it's important to share with the listeners
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You can journal and you can journal And if you
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journal from your left brain, if you journal
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from the energy of, okay, all right, the coach
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taught me, summer taught me, I better coach,
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I better journal, Jeffrey told me I better journal.
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I'm gonna sit down and journal, right? And you're
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so tense and you're so uptight and you are trying
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to journal from your left brain, it's going to
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be a struggle. And so some people, Say well,
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do I have to write it? Do I have to hand write
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it or can I type it? I said well, I mean you
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can type if you want but there is a more cathartic
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experience if you write because then you're not
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I remember writing once I I closed my eyes and
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wrote and it got all over the page so the the
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purpose of the journaling Is to do it more from
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your creative side Some people say they really
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don't like journaling. I say well paint or do
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something else Creative that it it's not the
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actual journaling. It's the shift of energy That
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is most important. I would agree with you that
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I think journaling is is the best way some people
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that resist I say well just turn your You know
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the the recording device on your phone and talk
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into it that way and listen to it and guess what
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there's all kinds of of uh ai or whatever that
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will translate it, but the key Is to do the journaling
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from that place of release let go and surrender
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Release let go and surrender and now how did
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I know besides my wife telling me? Um It felt
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true It felt true. Just be true. What happened
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in that journaling process is I let go of the
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unexpressed emotions I opened up as a man in
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his 50s. I opened up my feeling consciousness
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and realized that my major pathway of communicating
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with the unseen world was clear cognizance. There's
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a knowing. And Shaltazar has led me to believe,
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although we tend to talk about the four major
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pathways of communication, clairvoyant, Uh clear
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audience clear sentient and clear cognizant There
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are numerous, uh and infinite sensory ways we
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connect And so how did I know that what was going
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on the paper was meaningful? Um, I can't tell
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you intellectually I can tell you from a feeling
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perspective you and i'm sure you agree you just
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felt it And we have an epidemic We have we have
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an epidemic of people that are thinking too much
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if you want to change your life You have to start
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feeling One of the dilemmas we have when we do
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that is we realize that what we're feeling is
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not very comfortable And and I have this saying
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when your heart is broken You make an unconscious
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deal with your mind to protect that broken heart.
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And so we are taught to avoid the lower, slower,
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unpleasant, uncomfortable feelings. And if we
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want to truly connect to the unseen world, we
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have to be okay with those feelings. We have
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to realize that they're not our enemy. They are
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bringing us a message that may be a wake -up
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call, that may be telling us that we have an
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inner conflict, that may be telling us that something
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is out of alignment. Mean you shared with me
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before we got on that you were suffering from
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vertigo Well the feelings that that vertigo brought
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up that unbalanced that that spacey I didn't
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have vertigo, but my wife as I mentioned as it
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every once in a while Now those feelings are
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important. They want you to feel that unbalanced
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ungrounded feeling and When you start to find
28:03
the truth In why you are experiencing that I'm
28:07
fairly confident the vertigo will disappear So
28:12
I encourage everyone it's really time. I you
28:16
know from from a person who had suppressed emotions
28:19
for most of the poster boy for Feel more think
28:25
less Feel more think less. I love that especially.
28:29
I mean we're in a world where it's all about
28:32
Thinking and being in the mind and you know,
28:35
I tell everybody like it when I do readings or
28:37
when I do the energy healing everything I know
28:40
I have to step out of the way Like I can't have
28:43
my mind in it because if my mind gets in the
28:45
middle of it, I'm gonna mess it up So I always
28:48
have to step out of the way. Yeah, of course
28:50
and and I'm sure you would agree with me and
28:54
there are many many of us on the planet that
28:56
would also agree that the Benefits of stepping
29:01
out of the way the benefits of quieting the mind
29:04
and opening the heart are Far superior to what
29:09
we could get by pushing our way through life
29:12
And there is no coincidence shelters are leads
29:15
me to believe we are in the energy of the great
29:19
potential for change Where no change? Is not
29:23
an option Yeah, it's not an option whatsoever.
29:30
And I would like to just ask you, you know, like
29:34
your work emphasizes on a grounded spirituality.
29:38
And so what I would like to ask you is what is
29:40
the difference between using spirituality to
29:44
transform our human experience and using it to
29:46
escape that experience? Night and day? Okay,
29:58
so I guess it's yeah, I don't know how this is
30:02
going to come across, but if we are going to
30:06
use our spirituality the same way we use some
30:11
of our other addictions that make us feel better,
30:15
whether they be uh drinking or drugs or binge
30:19
eating or whatever those addictions are um spirituality
30:27
can be that same escapism oh absolutely yeah
30:31
and so do you want to fix it or do you want to
30:36
escape it and you don't want to fix it yeah right
30:40
but we both know just like the vertigo that came
30:46
upon you very quickly, that fixing it is the
30:52
high road that has its challenges. So, all right.
30:57
But the addictions, the avoidance, has also got
31:04
its challenges, okay? I mean, do you really want
31:10
to, do you really think That we're going to be
31:13
able to get away with avoidance without side
31:17
effects Oh, absolutely not right. I mean, yeah,
31:21
and you can't I don't think that you're gonna
31:22
have a very healthy spiritual experience If you're
31:27
doing it to escape your own reality because you
31:30
haven't dealt with who you are Right, right.
31:33
So for me, I mean it's obvious uh Take the more
31:40
challenging road And it first of all You can
31:47
get to that point where the challenges become
31:51
Not as intense when you start connecting to the
31:55
unseen world like I know when i'm in the tunnel
31:58
of darkness I know i'm going to come out of it
32:01
And I know there's learning and growth in it
32:04
And I know that my time in the tunnel of darkness
32:10
Is less and less every time And less and less
32:14
intense, but every once in a while it will be
32:17
really intense again But again my faith and trust
32:22
that is one of the one of the things that has
32:24
been a savior for me Is my faith and trust my
32:27
belief? In in what I cannot see um the unseen
32:32
world Not to say that I understand it because
32:36
there's the ancient text the cabalian That is
32:39
the teachings of the great. Uh hermistris muskistas
32:42
And in it it says the all that is what they refer
32:45
to as the source or god or the universe Is unknowable
32:50
and unthinkable. So I have to have faith in something
32:54
that i'm never going to fully understand Yeah,
32:57
you know and that's that's another reason you
32:59
kind of got to let go of that left brain because
33:02
you know, it's like, you know how you know What's
33:06
this all about? How do you know? How do you know?
33:08
that it's going to work out okay. I don't know.
33:11
I don't know. When I first started, it's so funny
33:15
because when I first stepped into my awakening,
33:18
I was a data, I'm a data analyst at heart, you
33:21
know, and all my career, like I did data analyst,
33:25
you know, up until, you know, that point. And
33:28
the only thing I want to do is sit there and
33:29
pick it and pull it apart, you know, but then
33:32
I realized, stop and just let it be. And accept
33:38
it for what it is and quit trying to figure out
33:41
The what because you're never going to my human
33:44
brain is never going to understand the what behind
33:46
it We have to accept the stuff that that that
33:50
this spiritual journey Is above our pay grade,
33:55
right? And and so but but you know going back
33:59
to the question, what's the difference? um, I
34:03
will dive right in and You know, maybe that's
34:06
our personalities. Maybe that's where we came
34:08
from. You're the data analyst. I was the businessman
34:10
We we want to solve the problem. We don't want
34:15
to avoid it And I know it's more difficult and
34:19
I know it's more challenging But it's worth it
34:22
and you know every once in a while when i'm going
34:25
through a difficult time I ask myself the question
34:28
If you could have an easier go at it Would you
34:33
give up this journey and the answer always comes
34:37
back? No No, because I know I am evolving as
34:41
a person. I am understanding life, you know this,
34:44
you know, I'll channel this message about no
34:47
one is who you think they are and I get I get
34:50
caught up in it over and over again you and I
34:53
have just met Normal, you know the normal mind
34:56
starts to make assumptions. It's like oh, this
34:59
is who I think summer is but You know the more
35:01
we chat now we're doing this podcast. I'm starting
35:04
to realize there's so much more to every human
35:07
being Than you could ever imagine the other thing
35:11
that I would like to share Is and and I was guilty
35:15
of this at the beginning of my journey do not
35:18
put your teachers Up on a pedestal. We are all
35:22
human beings. We are all human beings I I would
35:25
always think oh gee, I want to be like them,
35:27
you know And then you know later in life you
35:30
found out that this teacher still had this problem.
35:33
We're all human. We are all human And when I
35:35
am coaching when I am, uh teaching when i'm sharing
35:39
my wisdom, I always make it quite clear That
35:43
nobody gets a pass no matter how long we're on
35:46
this journey, right? One would think you've been
35:48
on your journey for a couple of decades Why should
35:51
you get vertigo? That's not fair, right? You
35:54
know, you would think that you would earn a little
35:57
bit easier transition, right? Why would you get
36:00
right? Right, but it doesn't work that way and
36:04
so Again, just trust we we're I don't think either
36:07
of us are saying that this spiritual journey
36:10
Is going to give you Shangri -la all of the time
36:14
But what I will say is and I think you would
36:18
agree it's worth it It's worth it to allow yourself
36:22
to find your truth And it's kind of interesting,
36:26
you know that the name just be true It reminds
36:31
me that sheltazar has taught me that Absolute
36:35
truth only exists in the higher realms all truth
36:39
on planet earth is but relative So what you believe
36:45
is your truth what I believe is mine If we really
36:49
started to understand that maybe we would stop
36:52
killing each other. Maybe we would stop hating
36:54
each other Maybe we would start to realize that
36:58
I can have my truth And you can have your truth
37:01
and the other person can have their truth and
37:04
it's all okay. It's okay That we have different
37:07
truths Yeah, absolutely right and I mean we all
37:11
have to have different truths because that's
37:14
what creates the experience here if we were all
37:16
exactly the same We were all made out of the
37:19
same cloth then I mean be pretty boring and why
37:22
would we want to come here and have this amazing
37:24
experience? We wouldn't right there wouldn't
37:27
right. Yeah So once again, that's that's your
37:31
perspective you see how how that perspective
37:34
and that's what I think we're both saying to
37:36
the audience is a perspective shift like that
37:42
Makes the hardships you go through tolerable
37:46
Right. Yeah Yeah, it does. Yes. So how did your
37:52
connection with Taljar begin? It began through
37:56
that journaling process, and it's kind of interesting.
38:01
The name didn't come right away. As a matter
38:03
of fact, in the beginning, as I'm rereading my
38:06
journal entries, I kind of thought I was talking
38:09
to God. It was kind of a conversations with God,
38:14
Neil Donald Walsh thing. And I thought, I was
38:17
talking to the source. And it's kind of interesting
38:20
because at one point in my journaling, I noticed
38:24
that it went from the singular to the plural,
38:28
that the answers would come back as we, not I.
38:34
And it was like, oh, OK, so this is a collective.
38:39
And a lot of people really get hung up on the
38:42
name to which you are talking. Two sheltas are
38:47
has led me to believe that they are a collective
38:49
energy. I know them as the gavish bunny knew
38:52
And that translates for me as the transmitter
38:56
of divine wisdom I knew them Originally as the
39:02
energy of 33 and all of that came before the
39:04
name sheltas are by the way And when I looked
39:07
up 33 because I was into numerology still am
39:10
a little bit 33 is the master teacher and it's
39:15
like oh, okay. That's what they're sending me
39:18
is is these master teachings and um It was only
39:24
a few years ago that I was having a reiki session
39:27
and the reiki master practitioner was brought
39:32
to tears because she sensed the energy of sheltazar
39:35
in the room and she kept hearing 44 44 and I
39:39
said no, no, no, it's 33, right I mean we all
39:43
interpret the unseen a little differently Well,
39:46
I went home and I went home and thought about
39:48
it and reflected and checked in with sheltazar
39:51
And sure enough they confirmed that no no that
39:55
they are sending the energy of 44 And I looked
39:57
that up and that's the master healer and i've
40:00
come to realize that I guess I spent enough time
40:04
Channeling the master wisdom the master teacher
40:08
wisdom and now I was here To help people apply
40:12
it the master healer and that's where my shift
40:16
in my work has has occurred in the last little
40:19
while Is what I call practical spirituality.
40:22
How can we bring this? More esoteric mystical
40:27
wisdom into our everyday lives. So um How I began
40:33
to to and and then the name shaltazar came and
40:37
even uh connecting through my journaling has
40:40
evolved tremendously over the years and so um
40:45
what you call the energy that you are connecting
40:49
to uh is somewhat secondary and we you know living
40:55
in the four -dimensional world we kind of want
40:58
to know that i'm talking to summer and you're
41:00
talking to jeffrey and so we kind of want to
41:04
name the invisible energy and there's nothing
41:06
wrong with that But realize that that that's
41:10
not Who they are right? They are so much more
41:14
So I found that very interesting because I started
41:18
channeling I actually channel a group that um,
41:20
I reference as the ormana And I channeled them
41:23
for years and didn't even have a name for them
41:26
I just knew that they were there and actually
41:28
I was on a podcast and somebody asked Them during
41:32
the pie I channeled during the podcast and they
41:35
asked what was their name and so I had to go
41:37
back and listen right to the podcast right to
41:42
get their name and And I think you raised you
41:45
raised a fascinating point and that is if you
41:48
get hung up on the name of which you are connecting
41:53
to you're probably too much left brain and There's
41:57
going to be some interference In what comes your
42:01
way? So if you know, we're we're back to let
42:04
it be we're we're back to release let go and
42:06
surrender Don't worry about the name as a matter
42:09
of fact sheltazar has led me to believe that
42:12
they have come forth They have never incarnated
42:15
in human form and they have come forth with wisdom
42:19
through the ages But never necessarily known
42:24
as sheltazar. So in other words sheltazar is
42:29
The name that resonates with me, right? Yeah
42:33
It sort of reminds me of when I was a little
42:37
kid, you know, I was always very and and i'm
42:39
sure most of us spiritual people Uh can identify
42:43
with the fact that you really didn't feel you
42:45
fit in uh, you were kind of You kind of didn't
42:50
Feel comfortable with what everybody else was
42:54
doing and so that was me And I had to come up
42:59
with this imaginary friend that I called oogly
43:02
-woogly. And much to my mother's dismay, I carved
43:08
oogly -woogly into the dresser that was beside
43:10
my bed. She did not like that. But it's kind
43:15
of interesting. I've been thinking of bringing
43:17
forth a message that in order to... Help you
43:23
connect with the invisible world. Just think
43:26
of it as an invisible friend, right? They think
43:28
about when you were a kid if you had I saw a
43:31
movie about the you know, your invisible friend
43:33
and Yeah, it's it's uh, I think the movie was
43:37
called if invisible friend love that maybe you
43:40
know my I love it. My son -in -law cries every
43:44
time I don't know what it is about that movie,
43:46
but something there gets him every single time
43:50
right Well, maybe it's because he's ready to
43:53
connect to his invisible friend, right? Yeah
43:56
Yeah, and so you raised an excellent point by
44:00
all means give the energy that you were getting
44:03
guidance from a name But realize that that is
44:07
not who they are. That is for your convenience
44:10
um, and um, there's nothing wrong with that but
44:15
focus more on what they are bringing you as opposed
44:21
to the name. Yeah. I think it's more about, you
44:24
know, what are you, what's the information you're
44:27
receiving? What is the feeling that you get with
44:29
what you're connecting with is more important
44:31
than a name. Cause the name is just a way for
44:35
us to identify because we seem to have to, some
44:39
of us now I'm not, I'm not so much that, but
44:41
some of us need to have that way of to identify.
44:45
Right. There's nothing wrong with that. I mean,
44:47
there are the people. Yeah, there are a lot of
44:49
people that are into the archangels and they
44:53
even like to identify with the picture of the
44:57
archangel with the wings and the halo. And that's
44:59
OK. Whatever it takes. OK, I mean, you and I
45:04
seem to be fortunate enough that we don't need
45:06
that linear, logical name and face and identity.
45:14
um, but Whatever it takes if that's what helps
45:19
you get in touch with The invisible world then
45:23
do it. There is no one way There is no one way
45:27
as many people on the planet. That's how many
45:30
unique ways there are to connect to that Unseen
45:35
world keeping in mind that anybody that tells
45:39
you that that's exactly what it's like Um be
45:43
careful because I don't think anyone can know
45:45
and and that's and that's part of it How can
45:48
I trust what I do not know? And what a great
45:51
way to build up your faith, right? Mm -hmm the
45:55
amazing way to build it up. Yeah Um, and then
45:58
I would also say go back, you know, like if you're
46:00
even thinking about questioning journal what
46:02
you get journal the information that you receive
46:04
and then go back Later and rediscover I mean,
46:10
that's how I rediscovered that mine was actually
46:12
something because I would journal set the journal
46:14
aside and then go back to it months later and
46:16
be like oh You know and aha moments and oh this
46:21
did happen and this was accurate right started
46:24
to play out It's very fascinating that you say
46:28
that because you know over the the summer I have
46:32
been nudged to obviously make some changes and
46:37
maybe I've been resisting and The lessons keep
46:42
coming and they are a little bit challenging,
46:47
but you kind of know that they are lessons. And
46:50
so this discomfort I was feeling is like, okay,
46:54
I know there's something coming. I hope it's
46:57
not gonna be like a baby and take nine months
47:00
to birth, although I'm a male, I've never done
47:02
that. It's like, come on, ease up on the labor.
47:07
But I was nudged to, as I mentioned every once
47:10
in a while, I go back and read my journal entries
47:12
and I've been sort of doing them sequentially,
47:15
but, you know, very rarely, every couple of months
47:17
or whatever. And I was nudged this one morning
47:21
to just get away from my desk and say, I have
47:25
this beautiful sanctuary full of crystals and
47:27
all kinds of great stuff. So I sat on the couch
47:30
and took out the journal. And sure enough, the
47:34
journal entries I read, from 2008 Were exactly
47:38
what I needed to hear to help me shift what I
47:42
was going through It helped me realize I was
47:45
getting I was getting a little bit too Focused
47:50
on the results and and not enough followers and
47:53
not enough, you know How am I going to get the
47:55
messages out there and nobody's listening to
47:57
my the youtube and and Nobody's showing up on
48:01
my insight timer lives and I read this message
48:05
That made me realize that I am not doing this
48:09
For followers or likes or leads i'm doing this
48:14
because it's my soul's journey and you know get
48:18
out of the the human markers of success and realize
48:23
that just doing this journey is what i'm here
48:26
for And rereading it, of course all those years
48:31
later, right 18 years later Um, but i'm reading
48:35
it through the consciousness of who I am today
48:37
Not the consciousness that I wrote at there was
48:40
so much more depth in that reminder than i'm
48:43
sure I experienced in that april day in 2008
48:48
and so um, you're right that that that that wisdom
48:53
Keeps evolving and and it's really really important
48:58
to go back You don't know how you're feeling
49:01
now because how you're feeling now is important
49:03
and I and again, I think you would agree I would
49:07
be the first to say question your spiritual beliefs
49:10
because that's how they're going to evolve That's
49:12
how you're going to find find your truth. That's
49:16
One of the buggy booze I have about You know
49:19
the more structured religious doctrine is because
49:22
it tells you this is the way it has to be I believe
49:26
we are each allowed to have our individual relationship
49:33
with the unseen not mine can't be the same as
49:36
yours mine can't be the same as the religion
49:38
I was born into if you truly want To feel the
49:44
depth of that relationship It has to be unique.
49:48
It has to be what you believe Many times I question
49:53
my beliefs and can that really be true? I mean,
49:55
it's like really, you know, it's like God is
49:59
unity. God is one, you know, and every once in
50:02
a while I get that sense that That god doesn't
50:05
have emotions and it's like how could that be?
50:08
You know, so there's nothing wrong with questioning
50:11
those beliefs it it allows you to to deepen Your
50:16
belief and and i'm sure again. I keep saying
50:20
i'm sure you would agree I don't think god will
50:26
judge us for our spiritual beliefs. I really
50:30
believe that. Go ahead. Yeah, I think so. And
50:33
I say, go into it curiously, right? Go into it
50:36
and explore and test something out. Like if you're
50:39
drawn to something, learn all you can about it.
50:42
Practice it. Do whatever. And then take what
50:44
resonates and leave the rest behind. And then
50:46
go on to the next. I think it's constantly evolving.
50:50
Yeah. And make it personal. I mean, don't make
50:53
the mistake. of coming up with a spiritual belief
50:57
and sharing it with your family and friends and
51:00
having them put it down and feel you full of
51:03
doubt. Sometimes it's meant just to sit with
51:07
it. You don't need someone to validate your spiritual
51:11
beliefs. It's really important. They're yours.
51:15
Okay. And as we talked about before, truth is
51:18
very relative. And so Be okay with your relative
51:23
truth, right? It doesn't have to be exactly the
51:26
same as someone else's Absolutely, and then our
51:30
truth is so I mean it's our own truth, right?
51:33
And so being true to who we truly are and living
51:35
our own truth is important and people I mean
51:38
even still today like even still today I have
51:41
people that try to talk me out of my spiritual
51:44
beliefs I don't argue with them. I don't get
51:48
into Uh back and forth. I let them have their
51:52
word. I let them have their peace But you know
51:54
I stand in my own truth and my own belief and
51:57
that's all that matters And that brings up a
51:59
really interesting point because if you want
52:01
to be true to yourself You have to build your
52:05
self -confidence your self -worth Your belief
52:08
that you are entitled to believe what you believe
52:13
Is that difficult? Uh, yes, because society humanity
52:18
tends to take away our self -confidence We are
52:20
told what to believe we are manipulated with
52:23
marketing and advertising and all of those things
52:27
so so Yes for me Building up my self -worth and
52:33
my self -confidence and my self -acceptance that
52:36
I am entitled to believe what I believe differently
52:40
than other people Is really really important
52:44
part of that spiritual journey because if you
52:48
Need to be validated in anything you believe
52:52
is true, right? I mean I can I can say to my
52:56
wife. Well, i'm this, you know, we've been married
52:58
47 years. She's oh, no, you're not that it's
53:02
like Well, yeah, you can't argue right? It's
53:05
like You don't want to have a vote On your truth.
53:09
You really don't you want to be and and again
53:13
that foundation of self -confidence and self
53:17
-worth That in for most people has been taken
53:20
away In the maturation process in growing up.
53:24
I mean you're you're born as a baby with the
53:27
greatest of confidence And then you start hearing
53:30
no and you can't do this and you can't that's
53:33
wrong and and all of those things. So We have
53:36
to build that back up. We have to build that
53:39
back up. We do, absolutely. So before we enter
53:45
thing, I would like to ask, is there any final
53:47
message that you would, any message that needs
53:50
to go out to this audience, whether it's from
53:52
you or from SheltersR? The energy that we're
54:04
going through can make this journey very difficult
54:08
and very challenging. Whether you get vertigo,
54:12
whether you get other illnesses, whether you
54:15
spend some time in the tunnel of darkness. But
54:20
hold true, work on your self -confidence, work
54:24
on your self -worth, work on your faith, work
54:26
on your relationship to the unseen world. and
54:30
realize that this too will pass. And from a practical
54:34
perspective, stay off of social media. Don't
54:39
read the news. Don't listen to the news. Surround
54:42
yourself with like -minded people and keep your
54:45
vibration as high as you possibly can in this
54:49
difficult and challenging time. That is so important.
54:53
Thank you so much. Um, that's so important, right?
54:56
Because sometimes I know I don't watch the news.
55:00
I figure if it's something really important that
55:02
needs to get to me, it'll get to me without me
55:04
going in searching for it. Um, so look, I worked
55:08
in the government, I worked in the emergency
55:10
operations center, um, in the federal government,
55:13
um, for 17 years. And so We had news on 24 -7
55:20
down there, and I'm like, yeah, it was no problem
55:24
for me to shut it off. I mean, it was really
55:26
a blessing. Right, right, right. And so just,
55:30
you know, for anyone that is going through difficult
55:33
times and there is sickness, there's ill health,
55:37
there's all kinds of challenges, just hold on,
55:41
move to love, learn to love yourself and try
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to bring a little bit of love to those around
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you. And I always, on Insight Timer, it's a great
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meditation app. It's fantastic. I highly recommend
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it. And I always end my lives by asking one thing,
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and that's if you got something from listening
56:06
to this podcast, share it with someone else.
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If you have something, Share it. It could be
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smiling to a homeless person. It could be sharing
56:16
with your best friend. Just pass it forward.
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And if we all shift our perspective to more positivity,
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then we will be doing our part for the world.
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Beautiful. I love that. Thank you so much. So
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if someone was to come to work with you, Jeffrey,
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what can they expect? They can expect a real
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wild ride. My work is very, very intuitive. I
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try to make it as easy as possible. I've played
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around with with sort of packages and whatever.
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And so I will make it is as easy as possible
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to work with me. I love one on one coaching.
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It's what I do best. It's very intuitive. I read
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your energy. It's kind of interesting. uh, uh,
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you know people ask, um, you know Do you bring
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sheltazar into your coaching sessions? And the
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answer is of course I do but it may not be known
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as Sheltazar so just like you it's intuitive
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and everybody needs support so um And the easiest
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way to find out what it's like to work with me
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is go to my website jeffree izan .com And there
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it is on just about every page You can book a
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free clarity call for 45 minutes I don't work
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with anyone before I give them a sample of what
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it's like because You noticed I didn't really
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answer your question because I can't answer your
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question I want people to experience working
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with me for free first and then we decide where
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we want to go from there so it's probably the
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best way because Whatever I would tell you would
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be my truth. I want you to know your truth. What's
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it like to work with this crazy old man? Well
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Check it out and find out I think it's been amazing.
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I can tell you that the last hour we spent here
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has been a true pleasure and I couldn't have
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asked for a better guest and for me as well and
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and you know I just leave people if you can see
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that synergy that we have the ease of our conversation
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You know, it's possible for everyone. I mean
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it I don't know you before today We have never
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met before today and and and I am Fairly sure
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certainly I can feel it you feel how easy it
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was for us to resonate with each other to talk
58:48
with each other and You know, you gotta find
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your tribe people. You gotta find people like
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like summer and Jeffrey that have never met And
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all of a sudden have this great one -hour conversation
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that Feels amazing to me. I hope it does to you
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as well Absolutely. Thank you. Absolutely. Yes.
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Hope everybody's enjoyed it So we'll definitely
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have all of Jeffrey's information in our show
59:12
notes so please be sure to check them out and
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go to his website and schedule your Schedule
59:18
your call with him and see what a wild ride it
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the two of you can have together Thank you summer
59:25
Thank you. Alright, thanks everyone. We'll see
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you next time. Subscribe so you don't miss what's
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coming and share this episode with someone who
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needs to hear it today. Until next time, remember,
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you already know. This is how you learn to trust
1:00:10
it.