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The Late Debate | 2 October · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Late Welcome to the Late Debate.
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  Speaker 2: Never been big on fruit, but I do like a drink.
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  Speaker 2: Have one for me, please, James when you get home.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Late Debate. I'm Kayla Bond with Fraileitch
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  Speaker 2: and Jamie Rodgers coming up tonight. How do you feel
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  Speaker 2: about being served by a bloke in a skirt? And
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  Speaker 2: by the way, he's not Scottish. Well, one of the
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  Speaker 2: world's most famous rail services has unveiled a gender neutral
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  Speaker 2: uniform that allows exactly that.
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  Speaker 3: More on that soon in the papers.
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  Speaker 2: A teenager accused of armed robberies and threatening to kill
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  Speaker 2: people has been allowed to go on a European holiday
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  Speaker 2: with his parents. No prize is for guessing which state
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  Speaker 2: he's from.
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  Speaker 3: And later, I've long called working from home.
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  Speaker 2: Shirking from home, and a police officer has found out
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  Speaker 2: the hard way what happens when you shirk rather than
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  Speaker 2: work And first to the story developing in England this evening.
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  Speaker 2: A Manchester synagogue has been targeted on Yom Kapur, the
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  Speaker 2: holiest day on the Jewish calendar, leaving two dead and
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  Speaker 2: three others in a serious condition. The suspect is also
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  Speaker 2: believed to be dead. This happened at Heaton Park Synagogue. Now,
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  Speaker 2: the footage that you can see on the screen here
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  Speaker 2: is outside of the synagogue. There are two people there
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  Speaker 2: who are armed police officers. You may see on the
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  Speaker 2: left hand side of the screen there what appears to
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  Speaker 2: be a body on the ground and the police then
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  Speaker 2: yelled to bystanders to move away. Police said a car
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  Speaker 2: was driven at members of the public and a man
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  Speaker 2: was stabbed outside the synagogue. Officers declared PLATO, which is
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  Speaker 2: the code for a marauding terror attack, and the Greater
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  Speaker 2: Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham said earlier this evening that the
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  Speaker 2: situation was under control. UK Prime Minister Sikirstama has cut
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  Speaker 2: short a trip to a European leader's summit. He's now
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  Speaker 2: flying back to the UK. He's in the air at
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  Speaker 2: the moment, but here he was about an hour ago,
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  Speaker 2: speaking to reporters before taking off.
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  Speaker 4: I'm on my way back to London. When I arrive,
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  Speaker 4: I will chair an emergency COBRA meeting. I'm already able
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  Speaker 4: to say that additional police assets are being deployed to
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  Speaker 4: synagogues across the country and we will do everything to
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  Speaker 4: keep our Jewish community safe.
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  Speaker 2: Now, of course, We don't have any further details about
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  Speaker 2: who the suspected attacker is or what his motivations are,
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  Speaker 2: but of course you know you're going to a synagogue
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  Speaker 2: attacking people with a car and stabbing people on Yom Kapur,
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  Speaker 2: and it's not hard to read into what the potential
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  Speaker 2: motives might be.
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  Speaker 5: It's just a tragedy.
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  Speaker 6: And I think this is the level of fear that
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  Speaker 6: is unfortunately now justified. I think for a long time
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  Speaker 6: after October seven, there are people who tried to downplay
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  Speaker 6: the rise in anti Semitism and say, oh, you.
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  Speaker 5: Know, it's not that bad, It's really not that bad.
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  Speaker 6: But when you see attacks like this, I mean, this
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  Speaker 6: is the level of violence and hatred that the Jewish
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  Speaker 6: community is having to deal with. And there are, no
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  Speaker 6: doubt people in Australia who have family in the Manchester
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  Speaker 6: Jewish community and so I can't imagine how hard that
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  Speaker 6: is for them. And to do this on Yam Kapor,
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  Speaker 6: the holiest day in the Jewish calendar, that's no coincidence.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, that is clearly. I mean, we obviously can't
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  Speaker 6: speculate at this point, but for an attack to occur
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  Speaker 6: on this day, of all days, is particularly painful.
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  Speaker 2: And you can't help but look at this and think,
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  Speaker 2: why has the heat not been taken out of the
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  Speaker 2: rhetoric around a lot of these issues? You know, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you can look at it from Australian perspective, many of
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  Speaker 2: us have said for a long time, and social cohesion
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  Speaker 2: is a big problem, and this is the ultimate end
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  Speaker 2: of a lack of that social cohesion where someone in
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  Speaker 2: the UK would feel like they go at the front
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  Speaker 2: of a synagogue and ram people with the car and
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  Speaker 2: stab them.
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  Speaker 7: It's just devastating, isn't it. It's a really sad day
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  Speaker 7: and my heart goes out to the Jewish community because
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  Speaker 7: yet again another attack and another display of antisemitism, which
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  Speaker 7: we have seen on the rise and in horrific displays
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  Speaker 7: ever since October seven. I mean, antisemitism has been around
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  Speaker 7: prior to that, but since October seven it has just
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  Speaker 7: sadly been on the increase, and no matter how many
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  Speaker 7: times the community have called out and asking for protection
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  Speaker 7: and for help, they haven't received it.
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  Speaker 8: And now look what's happened. It's just devastating.
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  Speaker 2: Well, if there are any more details coming to hand,
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  Speaker 2: we will bring them to you as they happen here
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  Speaker 2: on Sky News, so of course stay tuned.
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  Speaker 3: Meanwhile, coming back home, an interesting.
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  Speaker 2: New study from Flinder's University in South Australia says that
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  Speaker 2: trigger warnings may not be all they're cracked up to be.
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  Speaker 3: It's the first time maybe I've thought.
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  Speaker 2: That trigger warnings are a great thing, because this study
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  Speaker 2: from Flinder's University has uncovered that nearly ninety percent of
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  Speaker 2: people who come along a trigger warning online and so
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  Speaker 2: this might be on a bit of content on social media,
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  Speaker 2: for instance, it gives you a trigger warning saying you
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  Speaker 2: know the content you're about to see might be uncomfortable
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  Speaker 2: for some people, etc.
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  Speaker 3: Do you want to see it?
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  Speaker 2: Well, ninety percent of people completely disregard the message and
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  Speaker 2: go on to look at it. They even found in
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  Speaker 2: this study that people with mental health conditions may well
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  Speaker 2: actually deliberately go looking for content that will trigger them
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  Speaker 2: and take no notice of the trigger warning. And of
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  Speaker 2: course trigger warnings have become quite popular in the last
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  Speaker 2: five ten years as a way to before you say
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  Speaker 2: something that might be a little bit on PC or
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  Speaker 2: even if you're talking about pretty basic topics, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: all manner of things may offend people. These days where
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  Speaker 2: you've got to give a trigger warning before you say
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  Speaker 2: or show anything lest anyone be offended. One of the
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  Speaker 2: researchers doctor Victoria Bridgeland. She's a psychology lecturer at Flinders University.
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  Speaker 2: He said trigger warnings seem to foster a forbidden fruit
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  Speaker 2: effect for many people, whereby something is off limits, it
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  Speaker 2: often becomes more tempting. People vehemently defend them, even though
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  Speaker 2: the evidence consistently suggests they do not work. So what
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  Speaker 2: you're telling me is that if I give a trigger
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  Speaker 2: warning when I'm about to say something that isn't offensive
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  Speaker 2: but some you know, lunatic might find offensive, it means.
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  Speaker 3: They're actually going to listen to me. I love trigger warnings.
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  Speaker 6: Now, I know. I'm with you right there, Caleb. To
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  Speaker 6: be honest, though I don't think anyone genuinely believed trigger
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  Speaker 6: warnings were actually effective. I think they were more just
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  Speaker 6: a virtue signaling mechanism to say I'm woke, I'm politically correct,
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  Speaker 6: I'm just displaying my progressive credentials to all, because who
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  Speaker 6: actually did anyone actually ever.
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  Speaker 5: Think trigger warnings were doing anything?
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  Speaker 6: But even from a psychological perspective, say we were genuinely
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  Speaker 6: concerned about the anxious lefties who might get deeply offended
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  Speaker 6: by what we say. The answer is not to mothball
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  Speaker 6: them and protect.
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  Speaker 5: Them from opposing views.
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  Speaker 6: The answer if you get anxious by something is exposure therapy.
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  Speaker 6: Just gradually expose yourself to more and more diverse views
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  Speaker 6: people who disagree with you. In over time, you'll learn
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  Speaker 6: that words aren't actually that scary.
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  Speaker 5: You won't implode or suffer some kind of harm.
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  Speaker 6: If you're exposed to offensive views, you will be okay.
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  Speaker 6: But that only happens if you're exposed to these things.
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  Speaker 6: So the answer is more resilient people, not trying to
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  Speaker 6: protect everyone from being offended all the time.
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  Speaker 7: And I guess it's also that feeling in society that
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  Speaker 7: you'd rather at least just be warned, whether or not
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  Speaker 7: you take it or leave it. At least you had
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  Speaker 7: the notification. But I ended up going down one of
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  Speaker 7: those rabbit holes where you start reading all different reports,
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  Speaker 7: and I actually found another psychology report from last year
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  Speaker 7: who did a similar study, and they just said, actually,
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  Speaker 7: what the research is also showing as people felt no different.
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  Speaker 7: So if you did see the trigger warning and you
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  Speaker 7: watched the content, you felt no different to the people
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  Speaker 7: who didn't see the trigger warning and watched the same content.
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  Speaker 7: So do we keep the trigger warnings, Yes, because there
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  Speaker 7: are that ten percent of people that still do use
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  Speaker 7: them and watch them.
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  Speaker 8: It's funny because.
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  Speaker 7: Prior to this, I had never thought twice about a
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  Speaker 7: trigger warning, and that's why we went on this deep
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  Speaker 7: hole of reading about psychology reports into trigger warding.
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  Speaker 2: These people use them on like the just the most
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  Speaker 2: inane stuff or you know, I'm mentioning something in here
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  Speaker 2: that someone was like homeless for two days five years ago.
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  Speaker 2: It's like trigger warning about homelessness, or actually they don't
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  Speaker 2: call it homelessness anymore. It's unhoused people lord or something
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  Speaker 2: like that, or people experiencing a lack of housing or
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  Speaker 2: I mean, for goodness sake, like it's just the policing
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  Speaker 2: of language where it does not need to be done
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  Speaker 2: because like, the vast majority of people are either not
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  Speaker 2: offended or not triggered by any of this stuff, aren't.
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  Speaker 7: It really doesn't matter though, if we just keep having
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  Speaker 7: the trigger warning, doesn't know act anyone really, because it's
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  Speaker 7: the implicit message words are harmful, and that's what annoys
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  Speaker 7: me because once you start saying words are harmful, words
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  Speaker 7: are violent. That is the pathway to policing free speech,
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  Speaker 7: because all of.
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  Speaker 5: A sudden you can't say things that are harmful.
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  Speaker 6: And then there goes our freedom of speech. So it's small,
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  Speaker 6: but it is creeping. But let's move on. In Sydney,
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  Speaker 6: a Polo in the City event has been scrapped by
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  Speaker 6: Willara Council. Now, this event was proposed by an entrepreneur,
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  Speaker 6: a business guy here in Sydney who wanted to have
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  Speaker 6: a polo game at a park in Wall Clues. Unfortunately
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  Speaker 6: Willara Council has knocked it back. But it looked like
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  Speaker 6: it was going to be a pretty awesome event and
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  Speaker 6: hundreds of people already spent over six hundred dollars to
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  Speaker 6: purchase tickets to the event. This is what Vor Clues
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  Speaker 6: could have experienced. Now I'm pretty confused because when I
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  Speaker 6: see that and I think v Clues, I'm like, that's
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  Speaker 6: right up there, alley. I'm sure the residents of All
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  Speaker 6: Clues would love if this was supposed to be on
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  Speaker 6: a cliff top park overlooking the ocean.
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  Speaker 5: Polo marquees.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, what an awesome day, an awesome opportunity for
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  Speaker 6: the community.
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  Speaker 5: But no, council says no, no.
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  Speaker 2: The clippery clop of the horses hoofs would apparently be
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  Speaker 2: too noisy for the nearby reasons, and it would.
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  Speaker 3: Churn up the grass.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I can't believe it, but I mean it's been
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  Speaker 2: held in November, so one would assume that the ground
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  Speaker 2: is going to be reasonably firm, so they're not going
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  Speaker 2: to be chopping it up too much.
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  Speaker 3: I would have thought.
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, these are the sorts of things
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  Speaker 2: that bring people.
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  Speaker 3: And this is the problem.
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  Speaker 2: They don't want anyone coming into Vorklues, but it brings
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  Speaker 2: people into town, so it gets them to they go
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  Speaker 2: to the polo and then they might go it for
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  Speaker 2: dinner afterwards, so they'll spend money at a low restaurant,
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  Speaker 2: or they might go to a local bar or something.
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  Speaker 2: This sort of stuff is good for the economy. But no, no,
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  Speaker 2: you can't have public parks being used for public events
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  Speaker 2: because Martino is someone down the hill who's got to
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  Speaker 2: deal with the noise.
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  Speaker 7: You know. It just shows that this just really reiterates
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  Speaker 7: how hard it is to get events off the ground
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  Speaker 7: in Sydney and across the country as well. Sydney is
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  Speaker 7: not the only area that's having these sort of issues.
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  Speaker 7: But at a time when we should really be encouraging
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  Speaker 7: innovation and events and different things to get the community
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  Speaker 7: involved again, this would have been the most perfect opportunity
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  Speaker 7: to do so. I'll tell you one area that is
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  Speaker 7: starting to get their life back into it and that
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  Speaker 7: is more.
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  Speaker 8: Park, so in the More Park precinct in Centennial Park.
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  Speaker 7: The Men's government, now we've got to give credit where
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  Speaker 7: credit is due, and Paul Scully has announced that he's
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  Speaker 7: gone against the nimbi's and they are going to be
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  Speaker 7: bringing more events to Centennial Park. So they'll have around
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  Speaker 7: twenty events now. And I think this is such a
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  Speaker 7: sensational result for Centennial Park because it's a beautiful park
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  Speaker 7: space and around there they've already done the SEG Precinct
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  Speaker 7: where they've opened that up for Alians and the SDG
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  Speaker 7: to start getting more events there. But I think guys,
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  Speaker 7: in terms of bringing in money for the economy, they're
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  Speaker 7: forecasting roughly around that one hundred and twenty million dollars.
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  Speaker 8: Per year with these new events.
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  Speaker 7: And I think we need to watch out Victoria because
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  Speaker 7: Sydney is going to be the arts capital of Australia
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  Speaker 7: if we can start having all these events here totally.
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  Speaker 6: And this move was opposed by the Centennial Park Residents Association,
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  Speaker 6: that you can guarantee or all teal volunteers.
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  Speaker 5: I saw them in Balmain.
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  Speaker 6: It's the demographic of anti fun, anti life people who
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  Speaker 6: want their suburbs to be boring and quiet.
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  Speaker 5: By seven pm in the evening. And it's horrible.
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  Speaker 6: And my message to these people is, you bought a
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  Speaker 6: house in Centennial Park Park, was there first? You should
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  Speaker 6: have known this was a sign that would be used
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  Speaker 6: for events and that's just what you chose to accept
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  Speaker 6: when you purchased a property. It's like we used to
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  Speaker 6: live at the Rectory, which was next to the church.
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  Speaker 6: My dad was the minister, and you would have people
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  Speaker 6: complaining about church music. No, no, I'm sorry. The church
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  Speaker 6: has been here for one hundred and fifty years. You
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  Speaker 6: moved in three years ago. You've got no right to
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  Speaker 6: complain about the noise. I just cannot stand this.
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  Speaker 2: It's just unbelievable, isn't And it happens all the people
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  Speaker 2: move in next to the pub and they go, what's
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  Speaker 2: with all these people drinking after mid now?
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  Speaker 5: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: I can't believe, and they leave the pub and they
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  Speaker 2: make not you moved in next to the pub. I
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  Speaker 2: mean I used to live directly over around about from
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  Speaker 2: a pub. Was bloody magnificent. They took lots of my income,
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  Speaker 2: I have to say, but you know what you're getting
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  Speaker 2: in for when you move into a major space.
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  Speaker 3: And it was exactly the same.
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  Speaker 2: You know, when they wanted to lift the number of events,
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  Speaker 2: they could have concerts at the see In Alliance Stadium
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  Speaker 2: and whatever and all these people. Oh no, you can't
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  Speaker 2: possibly do that because there's too much noise when you
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  Speaker 2: ac DC. If someone comes to town and plays their
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  Speaker 2: loud music, all these people playing their loud music in
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  Speaker 2: my neighborhood, I can't have it. I forgot why did
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  Speaker 2: you move next to it? Then bugger off, go somewhere else.
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  Speaker 2: If you don't want any fun.
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  Speaker 3: Go away.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of which we can't have any fun in the
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  Speaker 2: UK anymore if you watch the BBC that is anyway.
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  Speaker 2: So thing called the boat Race, which is a ruining
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  Speaker 2: race between Cambridge and Oxford Universities. Now I must admit
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  Speaker 2: I'd never heard of the boat race, but it is
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  Speaker 2: quite popular in the UK. I think it hundreds of
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  Speaker 2: thousands of people go online the banks of the Thames.
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  Speaker 3: To watch this thing.
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  Speaker 2: So it is a major sporting event and it does
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  Speaker 2: have a significant audience on television and the BBC has
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  Speaker 2: generally had the coverage for this, but they've now let
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  Speaker 2: the coverage go and they've let it go to Channel
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  Speaker 2: four because the new head of Sport, Director of Sport
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  Speaker 2: at the BBC is said to believe that the sport
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  Speaker 2: of rowing is elitist.
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  Speaker 3: Now he may well be right in that, but he's.
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  Speaker 2: Decided that because it is elitist and it is Oxford
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  Speaker 2: and Cambridge participating in this race. Even though hundreds of
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  Speaker 2: literally hundreds of thousands of people line the banks of
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  Speaker 2: the Thames to watch this so it has a bigger
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  Speaker 2: live audience than most.
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  Speaker 3: Sporting events anywhere.
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  Speaker 2: It's not worth the BBC having because the people involved
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  Speaker 2: in it too high up the social child.
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  Speaker 5: Oh give me a break. This is just so infuriating.
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  Speaker 6: Because the BBC first started broadcasting this event in nineteen
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  Speaker 6: thirty eight, almost one hundred years ago.
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  Speaker 5: This is an institution.
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  Speaker 6: And Oxford and Cambridge occupy almost like a mythical place
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  Speaker 6: in the UK consciousness. I mean, they have signific institutions,
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  Speaker 6: and so what if it is elitist. It is significant
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  Speaker 6: to the country. It is significant to the British people.
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  Speaker 6: It gets hundreds of thousands of people out and enjoying
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  Speaker 6: the sport.
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  Speaker 5: It's wonderful.
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  Speaker 6: And this is part of a broader move by the
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  Speaker 6: woke left when they come into these institutions like the
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  Speaker 6: BBC and they go, oh, we can't possibly celebrate British
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  Speaker 6: culture and tradition, Oh we can't possibly have any patriotism,
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  Speaker 6: or this might be perceived as elitist by some lefties
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  Speaker 6: who cares.
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  Speaker 5: It's been going for one hundred years. It's a lot
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  Speaker 5: of fun. Let it be well.
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  Speaker 7: Bbsa's loss is Channel four's gain because in April when
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  Speaker 7: this was last air, there was almost three million viewers
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  Speaker 7: had tuned in to watch this. Now the BBC have
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  Speaker 7: come out and said the decision wasn't because it was elitist,
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  Speaker 7: it was because of a return on investment decision. So
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  Speaker 7: we know that that's not quite correct either, with how
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  Speaker 7: many eyeballs are on there. And as you said, Freyer,
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  Speaker 7: this is a boat race that is rich in tradition
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  Speaker 7: and the British interest is very high. I love sports,
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  Speaker 7: so I like to see anything like that on TV.
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  Speaker 8: So I think that's a huge loss for the BBC.
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  Speaker 2: Can you imagine, you know, when we were participating in
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  Speaker 2: and of course eventually won the America's Cup. If Bob
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  Speaker 2: Hall consider I'm not interested in that because bloody yacht
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  Speaker 2: racing is two elitis.
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  Speaker 8: No, no, we got on board with it.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: He famously said, any boss who sacked someone for not
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: turning up to work tomorrow is a bum. And you
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: know what, while we're talking about public broadcasters and the
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: sport they put on, of course, the ABC used to
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: have a lot more sport than they do now it's
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: all gone to the commercial broadcasters. But one thing I
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: really wish the ABC would bring back his lawn bowls.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: Remember lawn Bowls on the ABC on a Saturday After you.
• 17:43
  Speaker 7: Actually hosted lawn Bowls I did. I was the ringside
• 17:47
  Speaker 7: reporter out of Mohamma Bowls Club.
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: There you go, so that was.
• 17:51
  Speaker 8: An interesting little boat out to my resume.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: I really wish the ABC would bring the lawn Bowls
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: back because as a kid, the lawn Bowls on the
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: ABC on a Saturdy day. After that, there was just
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: something rather comforting about today it's.
• 18:03
  Speaker 7: Quite competitive, yeah, I know it's it's actually a great sport.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: And the serious money to be made as well.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Because my father's a council worker in Adelaide and there's
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: a bowling green behind his chin, and the greens keeper
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: goes around the country competing on weekends and all these
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: competitions and he comes back all the time. I made
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: three grand this weekend and made four grand here in
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: all these comps.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: It's actually serious foot.
• 18:26
  Speaker 6: I might have to start training for lawn bowls and
• 18:29
  Speaker 6: then we can broadcast it.
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: How fun would that be?
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: And Jamie can hope program that'd be awesome? Well, saying
• 18:35
  Speaker 6: in Europe now, Eurostar, one of the largest train operations operators,
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: has just rolled out gender neutral uniforms and they are
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: as ugly.
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: As you might expect.
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: The uniform now consists of skirts or trousers, whichever you prefer,
• 18:54
  Speaker 6: paired with Doc Martin boots and scarves.
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: With graffiti on them.
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: The CEO has described them as shic, elegant and iconic.
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: I would say they're a little more weird and wacky.
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: And it's all framed in this through this lens of
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: empowering the employee to express their true selves at work.
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: But you're not at work to express your true self.
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: You're at work to perform a job. And the point
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: of a uniform is that you don't express yourself, you
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: blend in with everyone else. So clearly no one is
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: thinking about what patrons might think about these uniforms, because
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: I doubt many people support gender neutral uniforms.
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: It's just bizarre.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: I mean that photo there, can we just keep that photo?
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: That photo, so we can't keep the photo of parent.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: But that photo is so wrong because the bloggers wearing
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: a skewit, which is a bit weird to be in with.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: But you can tie on as well, like, just pick one.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: If you're gonna wear the scoop, wear the skirt well over.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: Don't wear the tire as well. There's just so much
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: wrong with that. And this Gwendoline casanave woman who is
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: the chief executive of Eurostaff, who says it's icon Now,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: when I was a cadet in newspapers, I was told
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: never to describe anything as iconic because very few things
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: are actually an icon.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: But is she color blind? I mean, it's just all.
• 20:24
  Speaker 7: Navy wost dragic, boring, uninspiring uniform and I feel as
• 20:31
  Speaker 7: though this is now becoming a tired trend. So in
• 20:34
  Speaker 7: twenty twenty two, Virginal Atlantic release their own gender neutral uniforms.
• 20:40
  Speaker 7: But now it seems as though brands do this because
• 20:43
  Speaker 7: they want to catch up with what's going on in society,
• 20:47
  Speaker 7: and I feel like this is at the tail end
• 20:49
  Speaker 7: of it. So it just seems like a very strange decision.
• 20:51
  Speaker 7: There's fifty pieces of this new uniform that have been created,
• 20:55
  Speaker 7: but you just look at that and think they are.
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: So drab and ugly, and please, let's.
• 21:01
  Speaker 8: Just stick with a normal uniform. We don't need to
• 21:04
  Speaker 8: be going and giving this gender.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Neutral I feel like, and I've made this observation many
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: times about architecture and art as well. Everything is now
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: just being designed to make you feel like you live
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: in a hillscape, right. Like there was a time where
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: air hostesses and host he's on a train. It was glamorous, right,
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: There was a feeling of I'm doing something exciting, I'm
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: getting out in the world. And now you look around
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: and get on a plane and they just sort of
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: throw some cheese and bikis at you, or you go
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: on the Eurostar and some bloke in a drab skirt
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: comes up to.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: Ask if you'd like a drink. This all the fun
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: that's been taken out of travel.
• 21:44
  Speaker 7: You're so right, Caleb, because also with that Virgin Atlantic,
• 21:47
  Speaker 7: part of their new rules was that women didn't have
• 21:50
  Speaker 7: to wear makeup anymore if you didn't want to. You
• 21:53
  Speaker 7: could just wear casual clothes if you wanted to. So yes,
• 21:56
  Speaker 7: it's lost that glamor of exactly.
• 21:59
  Speaker 8: What you just describe.
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: And you would see the beautiful air hostesses and stewards
• 22:03
  Speaker 7: all coming on and they were beautifully dressed, and it
• 22:06
  Speaker 7: was something that was quite pleasing to look at when
• 22:08
  Speaker 7: you're sitting at your chair. But yeah, the part of
• 22:10
  Speaker 7: their new rules you don't need to wear making and
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: even just.
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: An idea of decorum, it's just all gone out the window.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Just quickly, before we get back into the discussion, a
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: photo has been released of the suspect in this Manchester attack.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: This has not come from the cops, that's been verified
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: by the BBC. This is a photo you're looking at
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: of the suspect in the attack. They believe he had
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: bombs strapped to his chest. So let's be thankful that
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: things were not worse than they were but of course,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: to recap in that attack, two people are dead, three
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: others seriously injured. The suspect the photo which you were
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: looking at there is also dead himself. As I said before,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: they believe he had bombs strapped to him. So if
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: we have any further on that will come back to it. Meanwhile,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: while we're talking about.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: The UK, you would have heard these stories, and.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: We've talked about them here over the last couple of
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: weeks about Fergie's involvement with Jeffrey Epstein. Of course, she
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: was once married to Prince Andrew and all this business
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: about she publicly denounced him, and then she apologized to
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: him for having publicly denounced him, And there was this business
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: about maybe she'd taken a small amount of money from him,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: and then it came out that it was maybe four
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: million dollars that she had taken from him. Well, Andrew
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: and Fergie's daughters, who of course you would know, Princesses
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Eugenie and Beatrice, we learned today when they were children
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: met Jeffrey Epstein.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: Now there's something wrong with that to begin with, because.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't be wanting to introduce my young daughters to
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein, that's for sure, but so creepy. Apparently they
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: were referring to him, or they were told to refer
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: to Jeffrey.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: When they meet him as nice Jeffrey.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Like it just puts a shiver down your spine, the
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: idea that these young girls were meeting a guy who
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: you know, obviously turns out to be a pedophile and hello,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: nice Jeffrey.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Oh, It's just it's so wrong.
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: It's really wrong.
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: And I actually feel really bad for the princesses because
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: they can't help that.
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: Their parents are.
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: Buffoons and keep over the years have made so many
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: of these blunders where you just go, where was the judgment,
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: Where was the discernment about who to associate with, who
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: to take millions of dollars from? I mean, they just
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: clearly have just a complete lack of judgment. And I
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: feel really bad for the princesses because they have ordinary jobs,
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: they have children of their own, they're trying to live
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: their own lives, but they keep getting agged back into
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: this family drama. Now it's come to light that Prince
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: Andrew and Fergie will not be invited to the Royal
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: Christmas at Sandringham. But the princesses will, So now they're
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: going to have to be choosing sides between the royals.
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: Who do they back their parents, who we do know
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: they're quite close with their mother Fergie, or do they
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: back the royal family. I mean, if I were them,
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: I'd be going, my mom's a bit booby. She's not
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: the one you want to be getting close to now.
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: But it is sad, and it's just the whole situation
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: is just.
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: Really really weird. It's just ick.
• 25:36
  Speaker 8: The whole thing is just really ick.
• 25:39
  Speaker 7: And within that article where we just showed the grab
• 25:42
  Speaker 7: on there in two thousand and six, at Princess Beatrix eighteenth,
• 25:46
  Speaker 7: her guest list included Epstein, Gallaine Maxwell, and Harvey Weinstein.
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: So these poor girls have been involved with all sorts
• 25:56
  Speaker 7: of people. But I'll be very interested to see how
• 25:58
  Speaker 7: the princesses navigate what is going on within this fallout
• 26:02
  Speaker 7: and if charities will continue to work with them. And
• 26:04
  Speaker 7: they have had to step up recently within the royal family,
• 26:07
  Speaker 7: both of the princesses, so whether they continue to have
• 26:10
  Speaker 7: more of a prominent role within the royal family. Perhaps
• 26:12
  Speaker 7: Christmas might determine that whether or not they do go
• 26:14
  Speaker 7: to Sandringham.
• 26:15
  Speaker 8: But it's really sad.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: And I don't think you should visit the sins of
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: the father upon the son, or in this case, the
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: daughter's right. It's not their fault that their parents took
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: them to meet Jeffrey Epstein and so that that association
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: exists side. I don't think they should be punished for that,
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: But I can just never get past the idea that
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: beyond the association that they may have had with Epstein
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: before he was a convicted sex offender, and lots of
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: people had an association with Epstein, including Donald Trump and
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: Bill Clinton and many others, it's that they continued that
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: association after he had been convicted, like you know the
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: remember the headline print and perv it was on the
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: front of the New York Times, Like, why you would
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: continue to hang out with a man like that after
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: that is just beyond well.
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: And it's also the lies and the cover up, because
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: Fergie admitted to taking thirty thousand dollars from Epstein, but
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: in reality it is alleged it.
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: Was more like millions.
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: So it's also hard to trust they even telling us
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: the truth about the full extent of this relationship.
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: I don't think so. But over in the.
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: US, this is actually an extremely moving story. On Sunday,
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: there was a horrific attack at a LDS Mormon church
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: in Michigan. Four people died as someone rammed into the church,
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: set it on fire, and shot people. The accused attacker
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: was Jacob Sanford. Now he was killed at the scene
• 27:50
  Speaker 6: as well and left behind a wife and a child
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: with complex medical needs and a disability.
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: Now there are a bunch.
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: Of gofundmes launched for victims of the attacks of the attack,
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: but David Butler, a Mormon himself, took pity on his
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: widow and child and launched a GoFundMe for the attacker's family.
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: That go fundme page has now raised two hundred and
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: twenty five thousand dollars. Extremely remarkable. Here he is explaining
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: why he did it.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: To be a follower of Jesus Christ is caring for
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: people who can't care for themselves. There were gofundmes for
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: people who'd been you know, families who'd lost somebody in
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: the shooting right or who were wounded, and of course
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: those people should be taken care of, But it just
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: struck me that those are not the only victims.
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's incredible.
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: Two hundred and twenty five thousand dollars given by Life,
• 29:00
  Speaker 6: largely Mormons around the world to the family of the
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: shooter who shot and killed their own church family. And
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: I mean, is we've talked about this theme of forgiveness.
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: It came up with Erica Kirk at Charlie Kirk's funeral
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: saying I forgive the shooter. Also, Ian Wilkinson, the husband
• 29:22
  Speaker 6: of one of Aaron Patterson's victims, said I forgive her,
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: but to actually give money as well to the shooter's family.
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's pretty remarkable.
• 29:33
  Speaker 7: It is, and I think it just shows that how
• 29:36
  Speaker 7: important it is when you let love be the way
• 29:39
  Speaker 7: that you dictate your life at love and caring and
• 29:42
  Speaker 7: just being kind to people.
• 29:43
  Speaker 8: And it's refreshing when you see stories like that.
• 29:46
  Speaker 7: It's just a reminder that there are some really amazing
• 29:48
  Speaker 7: people in this world. We just have to highlight them
• 29:51
  Speaker 7: more and show it because at the moment, there's a
• 29:53
  Speaker 7: lot of negativity out there and hard stories, and it's
• 29:56
  Speaker 7: nice when you can see some of the positive things
• 29:57
  Speaker 7: that are being done for other people out there.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: I just can't get over being able to bring yourself
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: to do it, you know, like if that happened to me,
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: if it was my church or any other community, I
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: was a member of a club, you know, if it's
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: your sporting club or whatever, right, and someone comes along
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: and attacks the people who are your friends to then
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: turn around and say, actually, I'm going to try and
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: look after the people that he has left behind in
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: his family. Like it's that immediate feeling of anger that
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: you've got to try.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: And get over.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: There are clearly much better people than me in the
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: world who can do it. But that is not the
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: first place my mind would turn. I'd be like, no,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: I want this bastard, right, I want to do something
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: about it. You wouldn't even think about his family. But
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: the fact that someone has it in them to be
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: able to do that, as you say, Jamie, you know
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: it just give you a little bit of hope about
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: the state of the world. Well.
• 30:55
  Speaker 7: Also the comments that they're writing on there, that all
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: of the members from within the Church of Jesus Christ,
• 31:00
  Speaker 7: that the comments that they're writing is we just hope
• 31:03
  Speaker 7: the best for your family moving forward.
• 31:06
  Speaker 8: We hope that you're all okay.
• 31:07
  Speaker 7: And it's them reaching out hoping that the sun and
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: the widow are okay.
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: It's the power of the gospel. Love your enemies, and
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: a core to Christian belief is that we're all sinners,
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: we've all been forgiven, we deserve death and punishment as well,
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: and so we have to extend that forgiveness to other
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: people as well. But when you see it lived out
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: so practically and so visibly, it's one thing to say
• 31:31
  Speaker 6: it and say it in the church pews on Sunday,
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: but to actually give money on Monday to the family
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: of someone who killed your own friends and family, I
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: mean that is amazing.
• 31:44
  Speaker 8: Well, let's change tack now.
• 31:46
  Speaker 7: And it's certainly been spoken about quite a lot whether
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: or not the Coalition will continue with a nuclear policy
• 31:53
  Speaker 7: as they try and create their energy plan heading into
• 31:56
  Speaker 7: the next federal election. Well, the shadow Energy Minister in
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: Tea and spoke on Sunday on Agenda Today, and he
• 32:04
  Speaker 7: outlined what they're thinking with the coalition.
• 32:07
  Speaker 9: There is a nuclear renaissance taking place in the US
• 32:12
  Speaker 9: that is basically also happening around the globe. If we're
• 32:17
  Speaker 9: to meaningfully make any impact when it comes to global
• 32:21
  Speaker 9: emissions reduction, then nuclear has to be part of the
• 32:26
  Speaker 9: equation going forward, and we've got to be able to
• 32:28
  Speaker 9: grow this proven technology.
• 32:33
  Speaker 7: Well, I completely agree with everything that he has said,
• 32:36
  Speaker 7: but Dan also reiterates the importance of why we need
• 32:39
  Speaker 7: to be bringing in nuclear, especially with the rise of
• 32:42
  Speaker 7: AI and ensuring that Australia is not left behind.
• 32:47
  Speaker 9: This is potentially a brand new industry that we could
• 32:50
  Speaker 9: develop here in Australia and then build knowledge industries on
• 32:54
  Speaker 9: the back of that, and we if we're not careful
• 32:58
  Speaker 9: here in Australia, we are going to be left behind
• 33:02
  Speaker 9: when it comes to AOI, when it becomes to quantum,
• 33:05
  Speaker 9: when it becomes when it comes to building these new
• 33:07
  Speaker 9: knowledge industries, and that's not something we want to give
• 33:12
  Speaker 9: to younger astraint.
• 33:15
  Speaker 7: It's refreshing, isn't it that Finally we are listening and
• 33:18
  Speaker 7: hearing some of the thoughts of what the Coalition are
• 33:21
  Speaker 7: planning regarding their energy policy, because they have said that they're.
• 33:24
  Speaker 8: Going to take time.
• 33:25
  Speaker 7: Even though that those words freak me out because I
• 33:27
  Speaker 7: don't think they do have time. We need to spend
• 33:29
  Speaker 7: the next two years taking the voters on the journey
• 33:32
  Speaker 7: of nuclear if that's the direction that they're going to
• 33:34
  Speaker 7: go in, because I think we need to be very
• 33:36
  Speaker 7: clear that I don't believe that they lost the election
• 33:38
  Speaker 7: because of nuclear. They were doing well in the polls
• 33:40
  Speaker 7: when nuclear was pretty much their only policy. The fault
• 33:43
  Speaker 7: was we let labor scare campaign about the six hundred
• 33:46
  Speaker 7: billion dollars overtake, and we also didn't do any press
• 33:49
  Speaker 7: conferences out in the front of Lucas Heights or take
• 33:52
  Speaker 7: voters on the journey of why nuclear is good. So
• 33:55
  Speaker 7: I think it was refreshing to see that it looks
• 33:57
  Speaker 7: as though they're coming along well.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: As ringos one saying it's going to take time, a
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: whole lot of precious time, patience and time to get
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: it right. But sound though Claxon. We've actually got some
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: policy coming out of the coalition now, isn't this well,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: I should say potential, not official, But we've got the
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: shadow minister saying yes, we're back on board with nuclear,
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: which of course was one of the stipulations that the
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Nationals had anyway if they wanted the coalition to be formed.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: So we kind of already knew they were probably going
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: to end up in this position anyway.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: But it's amazing.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: You know, what was the election in May, so how
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: many months are we down the line?
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: Now four or five months, and it's only now that.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: We're really getting to this, Like, I just feel like
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: they're losing that precious time in not coming out with
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: any sort of policy whatsoever. I get the use sort
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: of you don't roll out everything this early into a term,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: but you do need to be a bit clearer about
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: the direction heading.
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think there are some deep philosophical
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: questions at the core of the Life Liberal Party that
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: are unresolved, and that is part of why it's taken
• 35:03
  Speaker 6: them so long to come out with an energy policy,
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: because the deepest question is what do we actually build
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: our policy around. Do we build it around global climate
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: targets dictated to us by the UN and the international consensus,
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: or do we build it around what is best for Australians.
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: And that is the tension between this sort of liberal
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: internationalism and actually an Australia First nationalism, and those are
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: two very different and conflicting visions of how we ought
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: to govern the country. And so I think that the
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: party is kind of wrestling with that. But ultimately the
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: successful center right parties around the world are leaning into
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: the nationalist Australia first, put your country first.
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: Movement, and that's what we have to do here as well.
• 35:51
  Speaker 6: We will make not one iota of difference to climate change,
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: to global emissions and anyway, it doesn't matter. Our government
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: exists to serve Australians and Australians first, and forget about
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: the UN, forget about Paris.
• 36:05
  Speaker 7: I mean, seriously, let's just lift the moratorium so then
• 36:07
  Speaker 7: we can have a proper discussion.
• 36:09
  Speaker 8: Let the market dictate. Let's just lift the moratorium.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: It is the simplest thing.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: After the break, the latest details on that attack on
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: a synagogue in Manchester in the UK, and we'll take
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: a look at the papers.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: At home, of course, on the front of the Herald
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: Sun tomorrow.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Staggering story about a fifteen year old kid accused of
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: awful crimes and he's allowed to go on holiday to
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Europe with his family.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: That more coming up.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Let's just go back to the news of course tonight
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: out of Manchester, an attack on a synagogue. We've got
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: some stuff to show you here because Manchester, of course,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: two victims dead after an attacker drove it to members
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: of the public and then began a stabbing rampage. Now
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: police feared he had a bomb, so they shot him dead.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: That has now been confirmed. Loud explosions have been heard
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: at the scene because the bomb disposal unit has been
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: carrying out controlled detonations.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: The police have praised.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: The swift actions of a person who alerted them to
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: the attack.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: This is a statement from the police.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: They said, we are grateful to the member of the
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: public whose quick response to what they witnessed allowed our
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: swift action and as a result, the offender was prevented
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: from entering the synagogue. There were a large number of
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: people they're worshiping at the time because this is Yomkapul,
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: the holiest time on the Jewish calendar. They were worshiping
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: at Heaton Park Hebrew Congregation Synagogue, which is about five
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: kilometers from the city center at the time of the incident.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Now there is footage that is too graphic for us
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: to show you, but I have seen it in the
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: midst of police arriving and the guy being shot. I
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: mean alarming to think how much worse this could have been,
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: given that we now know that the bomb squad is
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: the detonating bombs that were believed to be.
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: On Oh and thank goodness for it.
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: Sounds like there was a quick thinking person there, and well,
• 38:15
  Speaker 6: you know here in Australia, the Jewish community has to
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: have armed guards on synagogues, on schools, on childcare centers.
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: That's the level of threat they're living with constantly, and
• 38:25
  Speaker 6: thankfully in this instance, the vigilance of the Jewish community
• 38:29
  Speaker 6: has potentially saved so many lives. But it's just terrifying,
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: terrifying to think it could get to that point where
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: you could actually have a terror attack like that being
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: carried out.
• 38:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's just devastating. I'm lost for words tonight after
• 38:47
  Speaker 7: watching this. It's just really really sad and just another
• 38:51
  Speaker 7: attack on the Jewish community.
• 38:53
  Speaker 8: My heart, my heart breaks.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: Well, let's get into tomorrow's news in Australia.
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, let's come back home now.
• 39:00
  Speaker 7: We're going to start with The Herald's Son and this
• 39:03
  Speaker 7: is an article that I think will have most Victorians
• 39:05
  Speaker 7: blood boiling.
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: European bail caation.
• 39:10
  Speaker 7: A fifteen year old accused of five armed robberies, stealing
• 39:13
  Speaker 7: cars and making threats to kill has been allowed to
• 39:17
  Speaker 7: travel to Europe with his family after the court was
• 39:20
  Speaker 7: told the alleged thugs parents would have to cancel their
• 39:23
  Speaker 7: trip if he was held in jail or put on
• 39:26
  Speaker 7: normal bail, so the magistrate green.
• 39:30
  Speaker 8: Lighted his vacation.
• 39:32
  Speaker 7: Does that not just sum up so many issues that
• 39:35
  Speaker 7: are going on in that state, but also the fact
• 39:37
  Speaker 7: that the parents knowing that their child has been accused
• 39:41
  Speaker 7: of five armed robberies and he has threatened to kill
• 39:44
  Speaker 7: and yet your trip to Europe is way more important
• 39:47
  Speaker 7: than giving some discipline to your child.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: Woebatide, you know you all.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: I wanted to give up the trip to Europe by
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: wayward sons in.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: A bit of trouble.
• 39:56
  Speaker 6: I hope they leave him in Europe, and I think
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: it actually fit in pretty well in Europe with the
• 40:01
  Speaker 6: way things are going over there at the moment.
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: But just just live in there. If you're flying him
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: all the way there, time bring him back please.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: It is just extraordinary.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: And if you're in Melbourne and you can get your
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: hands on a copy of the Herald Sun tomorrow, it
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: also says on the front page that Andrew Rule is
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: one of their great crime reporters. What really goes on
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: inside the children's court which is on page six And
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: if anyone will be able to tell you exactly what's
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: going on, it's Ruler.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: So go and pick up a copy of the paper
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: if you can get your.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Hands on it tomorrow on the front of the cans
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Post tomorrow Most Interesting story.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: Kroc grab stirs row.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: A powerful legal group has slammed the Queensland government over
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: the controversial removal of a beloved four and a half
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: meter crocodile from a Cape York waterway, demanding answers over
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: the use of questionable quote unquote tactics to condemn the
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: animal to.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: Life in captivity.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: The large salty, known as Old Faithful, was first relocated
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: to the area by Steve Irwin in the nineteen eighties.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: The Environmental Defender's officers sent a legal letter to the
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Environment Department's Northern Wildlife Operations Director, representing the conservation group
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Community Representation of Crocodiles. The letter seeks urgent clarification under
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: the Human or Right sect regarding engagement with traditional owners
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: about the potential removal of their culturally significant totemic icoon.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: I never knew that so many people could be upset
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: that a crock had been.
• 41:30
  Speaker 7: Removed, And is it being removed to go to the zoo?
• 41:33
  Speaker 7: Or where is where are they relocating it to?
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: Well? Captivity? They say? But who cares where it's it's
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: a bloody croc I know.
• 41:41
  Speaker 7: I mean, I'm just curious to see what the plan
• 41:44
  Speaker 7: is where it's going.
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: This is just bizarre.
• 41:46
  Speaker 6: The Environmental Defender's Office receives millions of dollars in taxpayer
• 41:51
  Speaker 6: funding every year to launch vexatious green lawfare against Australia's
• 41:58
  Speaker 6: own interests. This is ridiculous. And what are the implications
• 42:01
  Speaker 6: of this? If crocodiles are a pro protected potemic icon
• 42:06
  Speaker 6: of the indigenous people, do we have to have indigenous
• 42:08
  Speaker 6: consultation every time one is touched, every time they are
• 42:13
  Speaker 6: moved in any way? Whatsoever? Mean the legal implications of this?
• 42:17
  Speaker 6: And if it's crocodiles, why not kangaroos as well? Why
• 42:20
  Speaker 6: not koalas? Why not gum trees? Why not every single
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: thing in Australia. I mean, this is just absurd. Is
• 42:27
  Speaker 6: the link to Steverwin?
• 42:28
  Speaker 8: Perhaps? Maybe maybe that link.
• 42:31
  Speaker 6: But it maybe got to the location in the nineteen
• 42:34
  Speaker 6: eighties because not as been here.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: Maybe what do you reckon? You said when they took
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: him away? You know, so you later allig the out?
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: Oh gosh, well, moving on to the Australian tomorrow. The
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: headline is energy the number one business concern. Businesses now
• 42:51
  Speaker 6: rank the cost of energy as the chief concern for
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: their future, rating it almost three times more worrying than
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: US tariff and trey disruptions.
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: According to new analysis, several.
• 43:03
  Speaker 6: Corporate leaders, including those in manufacturing, say the cost of
• 43:07
  Speaker 6: energy is rising so fast that it's now risking their
• 43:10
  Speaker 6: competitiveness with importers, while about nineteen percent of businesses expect
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: to use AI to reduce headcounts.
• 43:19
  Speaker 8: I mean, that.
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: Does just sum up exactly where we are as a nation.
• 43:23
  Speaker 6: There's been so much hysteria about the Trump tariffs, drummed
• 43:27
  Speaker 6: up by the left wing media, and yes that's a
• 43:30
  Speaker 6: concern to Australian exporters to the US, but a bigger
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: concern is the cost of energy, and that is just
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: killing business.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Well, you don't have industry without affordable energy.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: It's as simple as that.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: And of course Trump has been trying to get industry
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: going back again in the US. It's a large part
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: of what is tariffs has been about. But you know,
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: you look across the world. The number one thing, apart
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: from of course high wages, which which makes it difficult
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: to have industry. You need cheap, affordable energy, and in
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: so many ways we've just done ourselves out of them
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: said no, we don't have manufacturing anymore.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: Zooks. Who needs cheap energy?
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: The consumer would like cheap energy as well. But you
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: missed the biggest story on the front of the Olds tomorrow,
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: for which is right up the top.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: It says the Wish.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Magazine is in the paper tomorrow and on the front
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: of the Wish magazine is Isle of Fisher. I love
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Isle of Fisher, so I would buy the odds just
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: to look at that.
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: Well, she's single, now, I know, I know.
• 44:27
  Speaker 8: I was wondering where you were going with that, But
• 44:28
  Speaker 8: what was missed.
• 44:29
  Speaker 7: Anyway, Let's move over now to the Daily Telegraph and
• 44:34
  Speaker 7: their lead article here is hate march must not reach
• 44:38
  Speaker 7: iconic sales. And this is from Jewish leaders, not at
• 44:41
  Speaker 7: our house. Jewish leaders have warned a pro Palestinian march
• 44:45
  Speaker 7: to the Sydney Opera House next Sunday cannot be allowed,
• 44:48
  Speaker 7: as police meet with protesters today to decide whether or
• 44:52
  Speaker 7: not they will oppose it. Both the state and federal
• 44:54
  Speaker 7: opposition have called for new laws to block protests.
• 44:58
  Speaker 8: At our nation's icons.
• 45:00
  Speaker 7: And I just think, especially in light of what we've
• 45:02
  Speaker 7: seen in the UK today, this would be beyond highly
• 45:07
  Speaker 7: I mean inappropriate. It's not even the right word for it.
• 45:10
  Speaker 7: It just is so incredibly wrong and offensive and it
• 45:14
  Speaker 7: cannot go ahead.
• 45:15
  Speaker 6: It's just shredding our social fabric, or what's left of it.
• 45:18
  Speaker 6: It's pretty much already in tanners. But to do this
• 45:23
  Speaker 6: around the two year anniversary of October seven, you'll remember
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: they released the press release on the eve of Yom
• 45:30
  Speaker 6: Kapol last night. I mean, seriously, it's disgusting. And I
• 45:34
  Speaker 6: was always told there was a by law prohibiting protests
• 45:37
  Speaker 6: from going onto the opera house because Jewish groups have
• 45:40
  Speaker 6: tried to do the same thing, but well repeatedly.
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: Told they were not allowed to.
• 45:44
  Speaker 6: So if they allow this to go ahead, that is
• 45:46
  Speaker 6: a double standard and two tier policing.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Indeed, just leave the opera house alone, police after the break.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: You know, if you're going to work from home but
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: not actually work from home, you're probably going to get caught.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: One copper found out. The hard luck that's coming. All right,
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: let's get into our favorite segment. The time of the day,
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: that's the fourth of the week.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: We've managed to find a dope of the day every
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: day for you this week and well let's just show
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: him to you.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: Couldn't you be working? We got someone to cover for me,
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: hey question because you're domb manually stupid bird. I never
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: put you at Joe.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: Sorry that was the Simpsons, but it may as well
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: be the dope of the day. A copper over in
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: the UK has landed himself in a little bit of trouble.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: He was part of the Durham.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Police in England and he was working from home and
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: he had a key jammer basically just pressed on the
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: key so on the keyboard so it made it look
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: like he was working. He had to face a miss
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: conduct hearing which was just the other day, and they
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: found that he held down a key on his computer
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: keyboard on thirty eight occasions over twelve separate days between
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: December three, twenty twenty four and January thirteen, twenty twenty five.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: The evidence was quote unquote overwhelming with the data and
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: it was the ikey on his keyboard.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: It place for.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Sixteen thousand times to make it look like he was working.
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: He's now lost his job. I mean, for goodness sake.
• 47:33
  Speaker 8: Oh that's very very funny.
• 47:35
  Speaker 7: Well, let's have a look and see what is Backyard Ultra.
• 47:38
  Speaker 7: You ask, well, this is a race and it's currently
• 47:41
  Speaker 7: been held in Saint Ives in Sydney, where it is
• 47:45
  Speaker 7: a six point seven kilometer loop. You run this loop
• 47:49
  Speaker 7: every hour until you cannot run anymore. So there's no
• 47:52
  Speaker 7: set finish line and there's only one person that technically finishes.
• 47:56
  Speaker 8: You can see on here. So basically it's quite strategic.
• 47:59
  Speaker 7: Do you sprint the six point seven k's and then
• 48:02
  Speaker 7: go and have a rest and have something to eat
• 48:04
  Speaker 7: and wait for the next hour and then quickly go again.
• 48:08
  Speaker 7: But if you do twenty four laps in twenty four hours,
• 48:10
  Speaker 7: you run one hundred and sixty kilometers. So let's have
• 48:12
  Speaker 7: a listen to someone who has been in one of
• 48:14
  Speaker 7: these races.
• 48:16
  Speaker 10: I didn't set this goal because I didn't really think
• 48:19
  Speaker 10: it was possible. I was going to go to like broke.
• 48:22
  Speaker 10: Thankfully they matched up. I broke and also ran one
• 48:26
  Speaker 10: hundred kilometers yesterday, which was the hardest physical thing I've
• 48:33
  Speaker 10: ever had to do. I was in the pain game
• 48:36
  Speaker 10: from about this seventy kilometer mark.
• 48:39
  Speaker 8: So who's going to register for the next Backyard Ultra?
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: Absolutely not me. That is torture. But this is heaven.
• 48:46
  Speaker 6: A woman has just won a million dollars US in
• 48:50
  Speaker 6: the biggest will of Fortune prize ever in history.
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: Pack of coyotes.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: All right, what would you like to say to your boss.
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: We'll have a discussion once we get back to the office.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: Congratulations wowie, does she look thrilled?
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us Tonight after this will go
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: straight to live coverage from sky News UK of the
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: attack on a synagogue in Manchester in the UK.