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Ep. 287: Sea Cucumbers and People Meat · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is Me Eat podcast coming at you shirtless, severely,
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  Speaker 1: we have three episodes of this new series called Pardon
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  Speaker 1: Episode one of Me and Steve eating carp episode two
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  Speaker 1: of Me and Clay excuse me, me and Cal eating Coote,
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  Speaker 1: and then episode three that I don't know do we
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  Speaker 1: want to reveal what it is you want to It
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  Speaker 1: is me and your honest eating kaya and this series
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  Speaker 1: is dedicated to eating what like most folks would consider inedible,
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  Speaker 1: and for me, it's really born out of like these
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  Speaker 1: generalizations that hunters and anglers have that are like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: you can't eat that or those things taste like mud.
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  Speaker 1: And I think a perfect example would be, like episode
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  Speaker 1: two is the coot. I could find you a hundred
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  Speaker 1: guys that would be like those things tastes like swamp water,
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  Speaker 1: but I can find you zero guys that have eaten one.
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  Speaker 1: So that's what this series is is to like try
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  Speaker 1: to see Yeah, it's a continuation of like I think
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  Speaker 1: it's it's a big part of our ethos for we've
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  Speaker 1: kind of been battling that ever since Meat Eater has started,
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  Speaker 1: is sort of bowing these um ideas about what something
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  Speaker 1: tastes like that nobody's actually tasted it. Their dad didn't
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  Speaker 1: even taste it, but yet their grandfather told their dad
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  Speaker 1: it didn't taste good, and it just gets passed on.
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  Speaker 1: But the what's interesting about the carp one is that
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  Speaker 1: how revered and and the pardon I played about carp
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  Speaker 1: explores how revered the carp is around the world as
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  Speaker 1: a food item. Yeah, and in each twenty minute episode,
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  Speaker 1: you get like a history lesson about the critter that
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  Speaker 1: we're eating. You get an explanation of why Americans have
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  Speaker 1: this perception, and then at the end, we cook the
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  Speaker 1: damn thing and and we're very intentional about how we
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  Speaker 1: cook the food too. Write like we could take a
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  Speaker 1: coyote and uh do tend different things to it and
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  Speaker 1: put it in a Chilian you wouldn't know you're eating coyote, right,
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  Speaker 1: But that's not the point. We want to get like
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  Speaker 1: a good baseline. So like the coop is just right
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  Speaker 1: on the grill with one other ingredient. The kye or
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  Speaker 1: the carp goes right in the deep fat fire with
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  Speaker 1: one other ingredient, but it's cut in a very particular way.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, caught in a very particular way. And the
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  Speaker 1: coyote goes right in the slow cooker with two other ingredients.
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  Speaker 1: So we're getting Can you tell me right now, how
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  Speaker 1: much did you like that kyote? Met It was the
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  Speaker 1: worst of the three things? Really, Yeah, if you've watched,
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  Speaker 1: if you've watched the other two episodes by now, then
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  Speaker 1: then you'll probably have gathered this already. But Coot was
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  Speaker 1: the best. Then I'd go carp second, and then Kyot third.
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  Speaker 1: Three c's and I would I would put probably Kyot
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  Speaker 1: as a distant third. I think, really, I'm really surprised
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  Speaker 1: there's such a disparity between the cot and the coyote. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that the coup was genuinely good. The kyot was just
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  Speaker 1: like fine for a couple of bites, and then I think,
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  Speaker 1: as as you see in the video, Um, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if we really get to like bites three and four,
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  Speaker 1: so coot now you would like when they're passing by,
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  Speaker 1: you're like, oh, yeah, I'm killing them and putting them
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  Speaker 1: right next to the mallards in the freezer. Yeah, they're good.
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  Speaker 1: Did you get into when you're eating at kyo? Did
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  Speaker 1: you get into how it makes you feel all hot
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  Speaker 1: and sweaty? Did you have that problem that there's there's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be a couple of minutes. I'm sure it made
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  Speaker 1: the final cut of the episode where Janice is convinced
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  Speaker 1: he's having hot flashes. Yeah, because eating when I regular
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  Speaker 1: dog and when I Kyle, I got hot and sweaty
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  Speaker 1: from it. Yeah. And then what's the kind of biological
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  Speaker 1: scientific what did they say is going on? Like it's
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  Speaker 1: either well in Vietnam, there's they say there's something in
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  Speaker 1: there that makes it that way, But I think it's
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  Speaker 1: what you're feeling is guilt. Oh, the guilt makes you
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  Speaker 1: all hot. Guilt makes you hot and sweaty when you're dogs.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the thing, Like we can, we can say it's bullshit,
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  Speaker 1: but Janice felt it. I think two of our camera
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  Speaker 1: people felt it because they dabbled in the kind they
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  Speaker 1: called a hot food. Yeah. I didn't feel it, but
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  Speaker 1: I didn't eat a ton of it. Yeah, there were
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  Speaker 1: other folks that that were there with it. Now, why
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  Speaker 1: are they all swords? Because that's gonna lead me my
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  Speaker 1: next question, because the next thing is going to be
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  Speaker 1: see where two cuts? M hmmm, because they were in
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  Speaker 1: our freezer when we decided to do this. Coincidence yep,
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  Speaker 1: I already had a coyote of my freezer. Cal already
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  Speaker 1: had a couteness freezer. I also already had carpon my freezer.
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  Speaker 1: Just worked out well. I noticed if you go into
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  Speaker 1: Google and just type in pardon my plate, pulls you
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  Speaker 1: right up, pulls you right up to where you gotta go. Good,
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  Speaker 1: that would be a good way for for you to
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  Speaker 1: get there. Like we said, two episodes out now, third
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  Speaker 1: one comes out tomorrow, Tuesday, August, and you get to
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  Speaker 1: see Spencer's little set up, his little house. Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: especially and if I'm not saying a little like in
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  Speaker 1: a dominutive way. I mean it just it's it's very
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  Speaker 1: orderly and tidy. Episode episode three, honest, and I have
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  Speaker 1: to kill about six hours while the coyote is brazing,
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  Speaker 1: so you can see other parts of the house. Get
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  Speaker 1: a little tour. That's right. Does your wife make a
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  Speaker 1: cameo a little game of what's that called bumper pool? Bumperpool? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that is. Yeah. I love it. It's like
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  Speaker 1: one of my greatest possessions that I have that thing.
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  Speaker 1: You know what it is? My neighbors used to have it.
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  Speaker 1: I was on an ice fishing trip in college in
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  Speaker 1: northeastern South Dakota. We went to this little little bar
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  Speaker 1: coal called the Decoy Bar, and they had a bumperpool table.
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  Speaker 1: I've never seen one before but locals, and they were
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  Speaker 1: playing it, and so I had asked him one to
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  Speaker 1: like show me how to play it, and I thought
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  Speaker 1: it was like the greatest thing ever. So I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: when I get a house, I'm gonna get me one
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  Speaker 1: of these tables. So I put an ad on Craigslist
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  Speaker 1: and by the next day, the like bookie for Southeastern
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  Speaker 1: South Dakota called me and he's like, hey, I got
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  Speaker 1: one of these in my basement that someone owed me
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  Speaker 1: money and this is what they gave me instead. If
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  Speaker 1: you come and get it on my basement, you can
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  Speaker 1: have it. So drove over to him. Got the Bumberpool table.
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  Speaker 1: I've had it with me ever since. It's from n
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  Speaker 1: was made in Bay City, Michigan, and it takes two
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  Speaker 1: dimes to play. M Yeah in a very cool game
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  Speaker 1: room in Spencer's house. Thank you, sweet sweet room god man.
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  Speaker 1: Take relax and pretty serious. I don't know how I
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  Speaker 1: feel about now that that was my life and ice
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  Speaker 1: commitment to not having kids for a while. Like if
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  Speaker 1: we put this game, a lot of people are like
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  Speaker 1: kids are a dog. You're like bumper Pool for kids exactly.
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  Speaker 1: So here's, uh, here's something I'm gonna show. I got it.
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  Speaker 1: This is something I'm gonna give to Cringe. She hasn't
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  Speaker 1: seen it yet, but this is gonna be I think
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  Speaker 1: you need to do this for season two. Okay, And
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  Speaker 1: it keeps with seeds because it's like carp Kyle cucumbers. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so we eat so uh we like to die for
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  Speaker 1: c cucumbers, which are located in many places. We die
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  Speaker 1: from the southeast Alaska and we usually keep the meat
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  Speaker 1: strips remembers five strips in each. Steve's pulling stuff out,
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  Speaker 1: pulls above a little one of those little zippered yetti coolers,
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  Speaker 1: a little teeny hopper. Uh yeah, I was gonna say
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  Speaker 1: four maybe, but like, it's five strips in my hand
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  Speaker 1: right now. C cucumber eat, it's in a it's in
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  Speaker 1: a it's in a freezer bag, it's it's vac sealed.
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  Speaker 1: And this is a good stack. I don't know how
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  Speaker 1: many we pick. We need get serious. You can fill
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  Speaker 1: the boat with them, you know what I mean? Like,
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  Speaker 1: there's how many you pick is how many you want
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  Speaker 1: to clean. So we picked a few dozen one day
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  Speaker 1: we're spear fishing. But picked a few dozen and I
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  Speaker 1: cleaned a bunch. So these are what we eat. It's
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  Speaker 1: like it's like a clam strip without all the springiness.
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  Speaker 1: If you guys want to see how to clean that,
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  Speaker 1: we've we've got a video on our website how to
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  Speaker 1: clean a sea cucumber with Steve Vanilla and then also
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  Speaker 1: um how they're caught. You can go watch that on
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  Speaker 1: Netflix's episode nine of season nine and the fish Stack.
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  Speaker 1: And then Karan was asking about bringing back some with
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  Speaker 1: the wardy part. Yeah, the whole thing, because that's what
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  Speaker 1: like a lot of people eat. So that's that's what
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  Speaker 1: it looks like if after you just pull it out
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  Speaker 1: of the water. But here's a great here's a great shot.
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  Speaker 1: One of these ones are the ones that are whole. No, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: I got it him. So it's like, imagine it like
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  Speaker 1: it's um, it's a cylinder. It's like very much the
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  Speaker 1: size of Yeah, okay, imagine hold the cue combing, okay,
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  Speaker 1: and you cut off each end like you do when
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  Speaker 1: you're fixing to fix it. Cut off each end, and
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  Speaker 1: then you cut it open, but not cut in half
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  Speaker 1: like slit it open, splay it out. Then you get
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  Speaker 1: his intestines out of there, and then you hold it
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  Speaker 1: with a pair of catfish skin and players and take
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  Speaker 1: a three inch putty knife and push the strips right out.
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  Speaker 1: I hear the strips right here. If you look at
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  Speaker 1: this one, you can see that's the one to three
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  Speaker 1: four strips that's his interior muscles. You did a great
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  Speaker 1: job of cleaning those because not no offense against Patrick,
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  Speaker 1: who was up there with us. His kid was trying
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  Speaker 1: to clean some of those where he had to clean
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of them. They looked like just mush kind
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  Speaker 1: of when he got done with them. Patrick, your neighbor. No, no,
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  Speaker 1: but my goodness, you guys had a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: up there. He's four years old. Man, Yeah, I know,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm just commenting, like now you're dogging on him.
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  Speaker 1: It takes him practice doesn't like your boy. On a
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  Speaker 1: scale from one to ten, how would you great? He no,
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  Speaker 1: he didn't do a bad job. But you're I was
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  Speaker 1: complimentary sich ten ten for you. You're a comment sandwich
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  Speaker 1: could have could you could have gone like this, like man,
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  Speaker 1: Patrick's boy sure got in there and clean. No se cucumbers.
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  Speaker 1: I mean they look like mush. Good looking kid. He's
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  Speaker 1: a hard worker, real hard worker. Hand that down to Crince.
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  Speaker 1: She can investigate. So karn is gonna cook the whole
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  Speaker 1: Chris said, she wants the inner part and the googy part.
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  Speaker 1: Really right. I also actually thought you were gonna I
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  Speaker 1: don't even know you were going to partially this. For me,
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  Speaker 1: I thought that they were going to be some you
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  Speaker 1: just like into they're a little because when they get nervous,
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  Speaker 1: they expel, they expel their guts. Nothing looks better, nothing
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  Speaker 1: looks better than a c cucumber picked up off the
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  Speaker 1: ocean floor, because the first thing he does when he
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  Speaker 1: gets nervous is he kind of puckers up so it's plump,
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  Speaker 1: so when you grab him, it's like flaccid. Then he
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  Speaker 1: plumps up, and then the more nervous he gets, he
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  Speaker 1: eventually deflates and ex spunges his intestines. It sounds like
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  Speaker 1: something else I wanted I wanted to. Yeah, the sequencing
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  Speaker 1: is off slightly, but what I wanted to do. What
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to do is bring you, uh nice cleaned
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  Speaker 1: c Thank you. I'm very excited. What do you do
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  Speaker 1: with them? But take these two? Okay, yeah, sure, no,
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  Speaker 1: I'll make some stuff and bring it in for everyone
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  Speaker 1: to just just they're so good. I will do that
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  Speaker 1: with that, and then the other stuff with the with
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  Speaker 1: the gooey parts on. I'll try to do. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: the reason why I knew Steve was in Alaska. I
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  Speaker 1: messaged him because I had thought about season nine, episode nine,
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  Speaker 1: and the sea cucumber is prized as a delicacy in
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  Speaker 1: the cuisine of many Asian countries, and I've only seen
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  Speaker 1: them walking through a chinatown in these large glass jars
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  Speaker 1: and it's and I think that they have just been
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  Speaker 1: taken whole out of the sea and then kind of
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  Speaker 1: still drying in the sun, because the whole thing is
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  Speaker 1: just like a desiccated sea cucumber, just whole. You know
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  Speaker 1: what you're saying. You see him in Chinese stores. One day,
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  Speaker 1: someone one of my bodies, I can't remember who sent
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  Speaker 1: me a thing from Costco no kidding, said oh or
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  Speaker 1: something like that, and it was ce cucumbers in Costco. WHOA,
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  Speaker 1: I can't even remember what they are in. Oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: cucumbers And that's so bizarre Chester with something like that,
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  Speaker 1: activate your fish allergy or not? A good question? No,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think so. I wasn't able to eat them
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  Speaker 1: up when we were in Alaska, just because they fried
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  Speaker 1: him in the same oil as they did the fish.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone convinced me not to try him. I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: have you tried like sea urchin, because apparently cucumbers are
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  Speaker 1: a type of marine invertebrate related to c cucumbers and
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  Speaker 1: sea stars, collectively known as a chinoderms. Never once I
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  Speaker 1: thought of that, because I used to think of them.
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  Speaker 1: Once I thought of that relationship, they kind of made
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  Speaker 1: more sense to me. The relationship to see stars. Then
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  Speaker 1: you're like, oh, yeah, I could see that like one
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  Speaker 1: arm one arm of a c star. There's a huge
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  Speaker 1: commercial harvest up there where you're yeah, man, and when
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  Speaker 1: those guys come through it can be a little bit hard.
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  Speaker 1: You gotta look around to find some spots. They come
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  Speaker 1: through and hit it hard. I mean tons and tons.
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  Speaker 1: We're beach coman this here and found one of the
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  Speaker 1: nets that use underwater to fill them up. It seems
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  Speaker 1: like it's a pretty good renewable resource though, because there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of them. What else do you find beach
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  Speaker 1: coming um after two years after the tsunami, we found
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  Speaker 1: a lot of stuff from Japan. I started cutting out
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  Speaker 1: Japanese letters off stuff and hanging it on the show. Um.
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  Speaker 1: We find a lot of rope um boomlogs, cable ties
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  Speaker 1: for boom logs, boomlog logs they use in their rafting, lumber,
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  Speaker 1: rafting timber for marine logging operations. We find a lot
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  Speaker 1: of commercial fishing gear, shrimp baskets, um fish ask it's
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  Speaker 1: I found a USS Jimmy Carter submarine hat which I wear.
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  Speaker 1: You hear it at the fish check every time. Found
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, just a lot of usable stuff. Like if
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  Speaker 1: we check three beaches, will bring to three things home. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you gotta there's good places to go. Look. I like it. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I found a huge I think it was from the tsunami.
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  Speaker 1: But I found a huge jug of like a like
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  Speaker 1: a four gallon jug of what smelled like simple green,
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  Speaker 1: but it had Japanese lettering on it, and you haven't
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  Speaker 1: identified what it is. I use it for detergent. I
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  Speaker 1: use it like simple green. You're just guessing though. Now
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  Speaker 1: you put your nose in there and you put some
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  Speaker 1: water there and scrubbed with a scrub. Yeah, I'm it's
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  Speaker 1: it's trust me. I like it. It's a detergent. I
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  Speaker 1: was there when I was driving the boat when he
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  Speaker 1: jumped off and went to go get It's big thing
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  Speaker 1: at detergent. Is that the same detergent is still in there? Well? No,
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  Speaker 1: because I started topping once I got down low, I
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  Speaker 1: started topping it off. So now in fact that I
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  Speaker 1: just refilled it this year, I put one gallon a
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  Speaker 1: simple green and then topped it off with water good
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  Speaker 1: hearty blend, a big simple green gay like the lemon
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  Speaker 1: flavor solf. Uh. Yeah, Just to actually comment back to
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  Speaker 1: what you said, Chester, The demand for C cucumber has
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  Speaker 1: gone up really quite a bit over the couple past
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  Speaker 1: couple of decades. So they're gonna say the last couple
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  Speaker 1: of years decades, so from what I saw with kind
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  Speaker 1: of a growing middle class in China and more people
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  Speaker 1: in China being able to afford C cucumber, which was
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  Speaker 1: previously or I mean it's still a delicacy, but with
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  Speaker 1: more people being able to afford it in the eighties
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  Speaker 1: is when the demand really skyrocketed. And apparently over the
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  Speaker 1: past number of years is a chemical in the skin
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  Speaker 1: of the C cucumber called a few collated glycosamino glican,
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  Speaker 1: which is used to treat joint problems. That's been used
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  Speaker 1: by scientists in Europe to create all kinds of I guess,
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  Speaker 1: treatments and medicines for people suffering from blood cloths and cancers.
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  Speaker 1: So over the course of the past couple of decades,
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  Speaker 1: the demand is really skyrocketed, and um, out of the
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  Speaker 1: seventy species that are sought and used, seventy or actually
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  Speaker 1: seven of them, seven out of the seven year actually
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  Speaker 1: classified as endangered, and that market spilled over to Alaska
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  Speaker 1: so much. Yeah, I mean, i'd imagine I would imagine
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  Speaker 1: that that's why yep and and I was mistaken. I
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  Speaker 1: actually didn't know that they were until episode nine, season nine.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't even realize that they were found in oceanic
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  Speaker 1: bodies all over the world. I really thought that they
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  Speaker 1: were maybe more in in a certain region of the world,
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  Speaker 1: but they are all over. But yeah, seven out of
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  Speaker 1: seventy are endangered. We got three jigging lincod this year.
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  Speaker 1: They're down deep to you know, not just shall you'll
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  Speaker 1: drop jig down and snag a se cucumber, you know,
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, that that seems to be part of the
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  Speaker 1: danger of fishing it You're just going to as deep
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  Speaker 1: as the sea floor goes, and they take two to
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  Speaker 1: six years to grow to marketable size. So I don't
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  Speaker 1: really know what the situation of the c cucumbers are
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  Speaker 1: in Alaska. And actually what species you even grabbed I've
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: known and I could find out again, is it red
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: out the load? Those things have predators? Besides Steve, is
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: that it I don't know what natural things eat them.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know. But like when you if you when
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: you clean a bunch and then throw the skins and
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: guts out crabs and stuff. Don't work it over. Really,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: I imagine those black bears would pick them up when
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: at low tide. Think, I don't think so. We have
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: never seen him do it. I saw a BlackBerry dragon
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: a big sea star one time. I don't know why
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: he's gonna do with it. Probably ate it, but I
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: don't know what eats the man. Man. They're an unsightly
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: little bogger, unsightly apparently in Asia, like the spikier and
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: crazier they look the more sodd after they are. And
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: the Japanese c cucumber is supposed to be the most
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: prized and can fetch up to three thousand, five hundred
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: dollars a kilo. That's a bit over two pounds, which
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: is saying, right, so you just you just gave me
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: a lot of money's worth the c cucumber steve to
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: renegotiate that transaction just for the inside strips, for the
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: just the whole thing. I think that, I think the
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: whole thing, or if that's dried or not, that's a
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: good good question. But then so speaking of the value
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: like the black market, just a few weeks ago, yeah,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Japan's coastguard busted eleven poachers off the coast of how
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: do you say that. That's a Japanese that's one of
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: the islands. It's in northern Japan. They're trying to make
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: off with one thousand, five hundred pounds of sea cucumbers
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: street value twenty thousand bucks that got busted by the
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: coast guard. The coast guarder received a tip off that
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: they had They seized thirteen crates in a daring nighttime
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: raid rounded up suspected poachers. These guys had divers. Lookout,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: it's get away cars. They're facing three years in prison,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: two seventy dollars and fines. Like if that sting operation Cumber, Yeah,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: they got it all. They got them laid out like
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: drugs cow. So this dude, a dude rolled in and
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: this is one of the This like is even mildly
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: upsetting to me. This might be a good part in
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: the plate. So these guys had some depredation ELK tags
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: in South Dakota. This guy sends us in. So it's
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: a little bit upsetting, but it's like listen, man, I'm
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: I'm for like, I'm in, I'm in. I love the guy.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: I love the guy for sure. Him and his buddy
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: drew some elk depredation tags in South Dakota. They both
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: shot cows, and as as happens anyone who does these
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: late season cow hunts, well here's something to look at.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Here's the way to think about this elker bred in September. Okay,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: they breed in September early October. If you kill a
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: cow out in November, you shot a pregnant cow. Now
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: this starts to get upsetting to people as the season
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: goes on, because then once there's like a visible fetus,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: then people get right. But keep that in mind. Most
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: cow out to get shot are pregnant. They're just they
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: just are. But when you get into hunting, like what
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: they all the shoulder seasons, you know, you get these
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: like January seasons for out Oftentimes you'll be your gout
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: him and be greeted with greeted buy an out fetus.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: A lot of caribou hunts are the same way this
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: guy barbecued it. These pictures are really really something Barbecue
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: m what's upsetting to you about these pictures, Krim. It's
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: just a couple of elk fetuses. Yeah, I mean, it's
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: just it's not exactly that it's upsetting per se um.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: It's just I don't on the average kind of get
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: to see, um, yeah, a fetus and like you can
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: kind of see the thing, can see its little feet
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: and the outline of its body, and you know, just
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: think he gives a human pause to think about life. Yeah,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: that's that's right, that's right. My question is is the
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: second picture just it seasoned before? When and to the
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: it's actually cooked? I can't tell that. I'd like to
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: give his tasting notes. Did you good? Yeah? So he
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: got to reading and he found a mention of a
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: German noble who used to be found eating red stag fetuses.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: This feller says he's of German ancestry, so why not. Um.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: He looped them up with some butter and spices, including
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: some Chinese five spice, with some fresh ginger and some
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: sweet baby raised barbecue sauce. Well he did two of them,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: and one was the Chinese and the other one was
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: just standard American barbecue. So that was good. That was
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: a good careful read. Set him in the oven like
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: a brisket. They took on very little color after they
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: had baked for three and a half hours, and I
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: got them to a hundred six degrees internal got some
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: friends together. The meat was not like anything I have
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: ever tried. The skin was pink, like an uncooked chicken,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: even after some serious time in the broiler. The flesh
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: was the color and texture of a raw oyster or whitefish,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: and the meat flaked almost like a cross between a
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: cooked brisket and cooked trout. The taste was devoid of
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: any flavor at all, aside from the spices and the
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: physical presence of the material. The meat could not be
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: differentiated from that of the air in your mouth as
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: you chewed once. Now, if I've ever eating the fetus, Nope,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: m not. You know, not that I'm imposed to it.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I'd give it a wing. But man, hats off.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: That's great. I think there's if you really boil it down.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of different layers here, Like, we have
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: a psychological or ethical conundrum because we value gestation as
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: this not just symbolic but real part of birth and
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: renewal of life. So the fact that a human interrupted
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: this process and is then going to go eat this fetus,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: that's like, has the potential to disturb somebody. But I'm
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: all for it. Just like you, Steve, because we have
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: a late season bow hunt here in Arkansas that goes
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: through our season goes through February. So if you kill
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: a doe anytime during that period, you potentially would see
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: a fetus in a gutted dope. But I've told people
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: for years exactly what you said is that if you
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: kill that dough on November the tenth, she was just
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: as pregnant then the other. There's also the thing that
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: just of using the whole resource, you know, I mean
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: when you look at the macro picture, there's an elk
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: female cow elk hunt because they're trying to manage these elk,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: and if it's happening, and it's a thing that's valuable
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: for conservation, and so if you kill a pregnant out
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: use the whole thing. So I don't have any problem
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: with it. Fetus, No, I have not. Okay, I think
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: that if any of us get later season critters, we
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: should sure. Man, Yeah, I'd love to try it. Uh.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: I've read about people a couple of things that not
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: we've discussed this. UM read accounts where planes tribes would
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: if they killed a calf, a buffalo calf, they made
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: a dish with the curdled mother's milk from inside the
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: calf's stomach, which I don't know why. I feel like
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: that's in the same same spirit. Uh, here's a crazy story,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: these guys. There's a story here. The world has come
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: from vice. Originally a dude. Uh. He had to have
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: his lower leg and foot amputated. Cook at home made
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: foot tacos for his friends. The pictures of the foot tacos. Sure, sure,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: how do you do that whistle? Like we're like, oh wow, yeah,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: I think we're all. Yeah, I don't know. That's the
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: final frontier, man, that's the final frontier. No, I'm out
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: on this one. Out, I'm out, Garrett Garrett Long said,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: really putting his foot, really putting his foot in his mouth.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: There quality one of the guys who worked with said
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: wavos rancher tooes. So, Steve, if you're invited to this
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: party out, i'd have to know the guy. I'd your
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: foot meat, but I'm not. But I'm not gonna eat
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: foot meat from a guy I don't know. To me,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: it's more like an expression of the individual man. And
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: like if I saw in the store like foot meat,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna you know, it's just not human foot meat.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: What if it was human um forearm, It just doesn't matter.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter human meat. If it was like if
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: you said, hey, man, this thing happened to me, I'm
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: gonna eat my foot, my leg, whatever, then I'd be like, oh,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: you know, for you Yanni, and I'd go over there
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: and eat it. Oh man. But I wouldn't eat just
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: if someone said, like, I don't know, I just got whatever.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: That's funny. I think some people might have the opposite approach.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: They want to not like you've you've looked Yanni in
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: the eye, and you know you've buried your souls to
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: each other, had many great moments together. Maybe you wouldn't
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: want to eat his foot. But if some guy that
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: you haven't met before, I think some people might be like,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, I'll eat that guy's foot. Because if let's
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: say I had to get a kidney transplant and I
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: could get Yanni's or stranger's, I would take Yanni's kidney
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: because then I would have less sort of like questions
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: sure about who I was walking around. I get that
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: that's a little bit more dependent on like your your
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: well being than just eating. No, no, not how how
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: do I know? Why? Why would I think that his
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: kidney is better than some other kidney he might have
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: a I don't know that. I guess it's just like
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: the knowing nous. I just want to know. If I
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: ate a guy, I'd be real curious about who it was.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Would you eat your own foot? Let's say, like your
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: foot with your toenail. Okay, let's say like the ingrown
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: toenail caused some real problems for your foot down the line,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: and then for some reason, God forbid, you had to
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: have it amputated your own everybody's done this in the
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: past in their lifetimes, where you get a cut on
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: your hand or your finger and you don't have like
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: a way to stop the bleeding immensely, you know, right,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: what do you do? You stick your finger in your mouth, right,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: and you're you're, yeah, you're drinking your own blood at
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: that point. What's the difference. It's a little different. Blood.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Blood feels really different than like you know, said, yeah,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: he got I'm gonna nick your finger and you could
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: put that in your mouth, or I could serve you
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: your toe. They're gonna be like the blood things like circulating.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: I feel like the toe thing is like, but it's
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: not circulating, you know, blooding your digestive. But yeah, I know,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: but it's just in your head. It's my points, very true.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Chris or Karin went to went to our our meat specialist,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Dr Chris. I don't think it rhymes with chalk, it does.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: It is calkins, caulk and chalk. It comes up every
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: time cock cock, like like I'm going to call Yeah,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: I live in the house. One time when I was
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: living in su St. Marie, Michigan, and we had the
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: bathtub leak like bad. And it was that we rent
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: from a slum lord, and anytime someone took a shower,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: it would just like I mean honestly, it would just
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: flow through to the living room below. And we kept saying,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: something's wrong, and something's wrong. He wouldn't do anything, wouldn't
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: take it seriously. So I went and got a gallon
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: of roofing tar, and I'm not kiddya, man, I cocked
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: that thing in that roofing ter. It took forever to dry.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: So everywhere, like anytime someone set like a bottle of
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: shampoo or something down, it would get roof and tier
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: on it. And then that roof and twer would move
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: around and you have me real careful, like what you
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: rubbed up against in the tub. It took months, but
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: eventually that roof and tire set up, and the dude
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: we ran from like when we moved down and stuff
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: never mentioned it because he knew he had. Part of
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: the house was falling away from the house so bad
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: that we wanted to run an extension court out. One
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: time we were able to pass the extension cord through
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: where the house had fallen away from itself. Holy yeah,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: my rint was a ten bucks. It sounds like too
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: much in that place. Uh, we're time about oh caled
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Chris Colors. Yeah, cockin that I was just thinking about
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: roofed the batsop cocking. Okay, Crin, tell what he's got people.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: It was It was because it was like one of
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: our colleagues made a joke. But also, you know, on
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: a serious note about cooking the foot flesh too what
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: you know, temperature that would be safe. So even though
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: this was a joke, I also um emailed Chris and
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: just wanted to know what he thought about the entire situation.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: And uh, these are some quotes from him. There are
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: so many things wrong with this presumably the muscle starts
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: out safely edible, getting past the ick factor. Then yes,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: the same rules of thumb would apply for safety as
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: other flesh. But if I understand the story correctly, I'd
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: be concerned that the limbs spent about a week dying
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: before it was amputated. So that's all kinds of bacteria
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: and maybe toxins that accumulate and freeze thing wouldn't necessarily
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: resolve either of those problems. Uh, if it's loaded with bacteria,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: you have to cook it thoroughly to kill it. That
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: means well done through and through. I'd also be worried
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: about the accumulation of medicines. Cooking doesn't do anything to
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: resolve this issue. It's not about the temperature at which
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: it's cooked too, as much as it is the temperature
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: it reaches. But even then no one should do. Yeah.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: I wonder if he's reached well. Uh. Dr Calkins eventually
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: gets censured for weighing in on or is he or
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: is this beauty? As like in his professional purview, I'm
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: sure this is safe. Uh oh that tub not a
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: leak out of that thing? After that? Well done with
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: roof and yeah, handy Steve, heads up, you have some
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Bob Via stuff there. Man, we's always pronounced it Vila
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: hate watching that show and Dad forces I'd rather be
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: watching anything cartoons, Saturday morning and fish that's when they
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: used to have Saturday more than fishing and hunting shows,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: and instead this old house would be on. That's why.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: That's why I'm not like in the trades now, That's
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: that's what did it? Boba Villa drove you out of it? No? No,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: not that I never really became like like worked in
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: it with them, just like not even like just even
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: like at home, I'm always like, yeah, I think I
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: should call Brady up handy though. Yeah, but not like
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: my dad Clay. You're going to say something. Okay, here's
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: a here's a fascinating story, and a bunch of people
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: sent this to me. This is good stuff. In Saudi Arabia,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: there's a lava tube, so imagine it's like a cave.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Right Spencer, He's like, you're like, our you're becoming our
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: resident geologists. Explain a lot of tube. That's a cave.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: In this cave, there's a stockpile of bones that were
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: stock held there by hyenas over a course of seven
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: thousand years. So evergoing population of hyenas utilizing this cave
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: to bring bones into snack on. Wow, did they just
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: fine this? No? Okay, they found in two thousands seven,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: been researching instance two thousands. Okay, justin if we're talking
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: about something that happened over seven thousand years, I feel
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: like seven is the reason. No. No, they've been investigating
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: the site, but it was only a few months ago
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: that they went even further in to this area and
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: found the bone pile. So the bone pile discovery is
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: only a couple of months old. A lava tube system,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: which is a sprawling network of tunnels formed by volcanic
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: activity striped hyenas. You can make like a scene here
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: in a movie, because you gotta tell them about how
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: they like why they didn't go farther in there there
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: in this cave, exploring it, doing archaeologists work, and then
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: they hear snarls of hyenas possibly farther down in there,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: and so they turned around. Come on, yes, it says
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: the listen man. I had to take my kid to
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: the doctor this morning, get a warp furroze in office foot,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: and I didn't review everything as a character as I
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: might normally have. Well, come in, how's that warts doing? Planners?
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Words on the bottom, how's that words doing? It? Says
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: the most modern bones are four d and thirty nine
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: years old, though, so I didn't realize this was like
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: still an active site if they're hearing hyenas in there.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize the hyenas were in there at one
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: point they were, which is why they hadn't gone to
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: the depths. Ya needs like a subject matter experto No,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, I'm not like. I've been in a
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: few caves that have gotten small and tight, man, and uh,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: what's that fear called? Yeah, Like when it gets like that,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: I do not like immediately man, the blood pressure ees,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: I do not like it. So to be in that
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: kind of situation and then to hear getting out of
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: that one, it looks like something out of Pirates of
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: the Caribbean. So you're right, you know, a bunch of bones,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, like a classroom size mountain of bones, including
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Yanni's probably has some correction about this. Hundreds of thousands
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: of bones, four kinds of animals, cattle, cap rods, horses, camels, rodents,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: and even folks not up gnawed up by hyena teeth
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands. They feel like maybe maybe Joannie knows
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: why this is. They feel like maybe the hyenas had
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: been ransacking human burial sites and dragon those bones home.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Think about that. It's wild to me that we're still
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: finding stuff like this. Yeah, you know, you you you
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: get this sense that the earth is discovered, you know that,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: like we've found everything, and then we find stuff like this,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: and it's it's kind of cool because the earth is
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: not discovered. You know, there's all kind of wild stuff
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: out there. Oh. I'd love to go dig in through
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: that pile, man, Yeah, chest, You're perfectly described the scene.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: It's like bones on bones on bones, and you'd expect
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: to see like, uh, like a big treasure chest on
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: top of the whole thing, one beam of light hitting it.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Oh that's a great. Yeah, I'd like to dig through
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: that pile and bring some of that stuff home. Johnny
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Depp drinking some room. Uh, speaking of hyenas, like that transition,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: speaking of hyenas, how did you come up with that?
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Just like, I don't know, man, just these little things
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: come to me. He's been hanging out with me. Yeah, well,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: fat quick draw quick draw Phil quick draw Taylor. Uh.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: We had an episode not longer called cat scratch Fever
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: where a guy from Hawaii who who is bow hunting
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: for wild goats farrel goats um on a whim, decided
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: to eat a hunk of Farrell goat and contracted toxoplasmosis,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: which is which has the flow through uh cat poop
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: cat ship. I had multiple people reach out to me
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: saying we had a missed opportunity here that instead of
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: cat scratch fever, cat chat fever. Not even Phil came
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: up with that. That kid, though, that's got to make
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: you jealous. Film. Phil spaces out now no no, and
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: like it's messing on his computer and probably misses a
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: lot of opportunities to make funny little things. I should
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: have fed that to him ahead of time. I was
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: reading about lava tubes. So he's over there studying up
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: on lava tubes and ms a chance to say something funny.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: It's a cat chat fever. So these guys are studying
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: this is a this is a fascinating thing that they're
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: doing a research project in Kenya where they're looking at
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: when hyenas get talks and one of the things about
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: getting toxoplasmosis. Is it like, you know, affects your behavior,
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: has neurological effects. And one of the things is when
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: a hyena cub gets toxoplasmosis, it loses its fear of lions,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: And there's all this stuff about like it flows through feelnes. Okay,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: toxoplasmosis flows through feed lines, and there's these sort of
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: like conspiracy theory sounding. There's no conspiracy, but it's like
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: wild thing this idea that when they infect an animal.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: So when an animal becomes infected by toxoplasmosis, it then
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: becomes easier for the cat to kill because it starts
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: acting weird. So it's this thing that's like, it's this
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: it it's a aid. It's like high fence hunting. It's
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: like or something. It's like you're passing along and making
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: it easier to harvest. Yeah, it sounds like when you
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: hear white tail expert talk about CWD or something. The
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: deer don't often die from c w D, but because
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: they're so messed up, they're just easier prey for hunters
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: or predators or vehicles or whatever. That's what that's what
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: sounds like you're describing a lot to die from CWT. Yes, related,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: but the whole related causes thing in this study. This
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: is interesting. A cell in this study, all hyena cubs
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: that have toxoplasmosis, all of them are killed by lions
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: before there one year old of uninfected hyena cubs only
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: se get killed by lions, So they keep their distance.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: They know, and when they have the talks, they fall
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: easy prey to the fee line. It's a good thing
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: Danny didn't have any large cats in Hawaii. Yeah, he
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: come across big sabretooth up to it. That's up man.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: You'd be like, what's up, man. Yeah, that's like a
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: literal death sentence. None of the will make it. It's
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: really interesting man. You're saying though, that there's like a
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: biologically advantage to a cat passing it on. So it's
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: like the more that those cats have it, the more
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: they spread it through their area, the more animals get
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: crazy and they're easier to kill. So the the infected
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: lions just keep getting stronger and stronger, but more and
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: more infected. Yeah. And when I first heard that a
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: while ago, I thought that sounded like horseshiped me. I
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: was like, I can't be true. But this thing is interesting, man,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: and I think there's been some similar chemicals. Yeah, it's
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: like chemical warfare, Like you see what I'm saying, Like
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: sending out something to do your dirty work for you
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: without having to go in. Yeah, if you just wander
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: over to a hyena den, drop a deuce, okay, be like,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: I'll be seeing you boys in my teeth. It's really
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: something I'll have you guys know that I'm carving a
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: very intricate mural into my desk. Oh yeah, I saw
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: the first part of it. Man, it's grown. I've got
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: a manor a bear. What you say, am I in it?
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: That's a good idea. I've got a I've got a
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: bear of full struck gobbler turkey that. And then there's
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: a white oak tree that separates him. And then there's
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: a raccoon. I can put Steve Ronella right over just
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: past direct a tattoo, maybe creeping up on something, give
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: him toxic plasmosis. And there's a mountain lion creaming up
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: on him. You know, we we've talked on this show
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: million times or so about what we call the not
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: what we call whatever, But he calls the Pittman Robertson Fund.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: So when you go and buy, as we've explained box
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: playing again, that's a good thing to know about. When
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: you go and buy ammunition or firearms, um, there's an
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: excise tax on that on those goods, and that excise
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: tax goes to fun, wildlife work, wildlife conservation. So when
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: you when you buy gun, eleven percent of the wholesale price,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: ten percent of the wholesale price for handguns, so it's
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: eleven percent of the hotel price for long guns and
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: ammunition ten percent of hotel price, wholesale price for handguns.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Manufacturers and importers pay the excise tax. Okay, and then
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: you like fund it back on on the purchase. But
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: when you do it so you don't see it itemized out,
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: it's already been done. But eleven percent of that money
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: goes to fund while they have conservation. The system has
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: been around since seven Hunters are you know, hunters like me,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: we always like to talk about, oh yeah, we're doing
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: so much good. But the vast, vast majority of this
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: was of this is not related to hunting. It's just
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: gun owners and shooting sports and everything. Like you know
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: people that particularly people that but you know like a
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: New Jersey cat lady could go drop buy a pistol
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: and that goes into Pittman Robertson. That the one who
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: goes into Pittman Robertson fun. But that that total tally
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: since ninety seven just tipped past fourteen billion dollars into
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: the Wildlife Restoration Trust Fund, and that money is flowing
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: right now because of the firearm and ammunition industry has
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: just exploded since COVID. And what would be like a
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: literal example of this trust fund being spent on something
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: matching dollars to state agencies will be the main thing.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: It could It could be that you want to, uh,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: you want to do some like Arizona, say, wants to
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: do some big horn restoration and move big horns into
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: a new mountain range to try to to restore some
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: of their range. And you're gonna do some habitat work
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: ahead of that and remove some fencing, right and the
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: state agents are going to do that. A state agency
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: would apply for that. But it's also in like much
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: more attainable things to that probably every person in this
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: country is like done something that's been funded partially by
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Pitton and Robertson, not even known about it, right, Oh yeah,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: boat launches all kinds of stuff things you use. Another
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: thice thing that it does is it helps states protect
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: their own in house funding. Because let's let's say you
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: whatever the help, you live in Illinois, okay, and you
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: buy a hunting license. And now the way that works
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: is that hunting license money should stay in for the
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: state wildlife agency. But a lot of times the state
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: will be like short on money somewhere else and they'll
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: go pick pill for that money because they look like, look,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: these guys are sitting over here on all this money.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: So we're gonna do some restructuring and steal their money
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: and use it to, you know, build a baseball stadium somewhere. Uh.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: If a state pilfers it's state. If a state pilfers
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: its own fish and wildlife agency, it becomes ineligible to
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: receive the federal matching dollars. And how Pittman Robertson is allocated,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: and it's allocated, one of the ways it's allocated is
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: allocated relative to Uh. There's there's like a licensed purchaser
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: function in it too to how they divide it up
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: among the states. I like it, Yes, I mean, are
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: you completely clear that like any pilfering at all makes
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: it like Nolan void like you do any pilfering. No
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Pittman robertson money for you or I'm not a subject
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: matter expert on it, but I know that the state
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: becomes ineligible for those matching dollars if they're pilfering their thing. Yeah.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: You know, there's a there's a great book that has
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: a chapter in the book that's dedicated to this, and
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: it's The North American Model of Wildlife Conservation book by
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: Shane Mahoney and Valerious Geist. It's a man it ought
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: to be like mandatory reading with a with a hunting license,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: and it's it's an incredible book and in a in
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: a section of it is dedicated to that funding and
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: kind of understanding it, but really really good. The way
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: it's officially word is it's it's funding for states and
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: territories to support wildlife restoration, conservation, and hunter education and
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: safety programs. They recently revamped and opened up that the
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: funding can fund more things. So and it was it's
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: like there's like kind of a there's uh, there's like
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: a little rub there that has sort of two sides
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: to it. One thing you can do is they can
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: pull Pittman Robertson money out, and I think they recently
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: made it. You can use Pittman roberts some money to
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: make shooting ranges. Okay, so then you go like, well,
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: how in the hell is making a shooting range wildlife conservation?
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: But then people point out, well, it's it's like an investment.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: You're making a shooting range, You're making shooting sports more
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: accessible to people. By making shooting sports more accessible to people,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: you're driving a ton more money into Pittman Robertson fund.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: So it's a little bit like, you know, I don't
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: want to call it cash twenty two, but it's like
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: a little bit of all yeah, but right, it's like
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: a lion heaven toxoplasmos is It's exactly right. Uh. They
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: can also use Pittman Robertson money now. And this is
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: another one that you're kind of like, it feels like
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: it feels like Mission creep. I think you can use
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: you can use Pittman Roberts the money now to market hunting,
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: to promote hunting. And then someone still might look and say,
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: but man, since seven it's been for wildlife restoration and
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: while they've researched, how can you be taking that money
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: out and doing non mission stuff with it? Like we
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be doing it. But you also see it they're like,
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, but it'll it'll lead to it'll it'll lead
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: to a higher level of safety for the fund. To
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: make sure that there's this continuous stream of people paying
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: into the fund, good business has got to market somehow,
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: you know, to make it so it's kind of like
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: marketing obviously. So yeah, I thought that was something that
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: was fundamental to the fund for a long time, Steve,
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: that you know, shooting ranges and hunter education. I was
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: thinking that was from the very beginning. No, because there
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: was recently a Pittman Robertson Modernization Act that did some things. Okay, yeah, okay,
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: uh Clare, if we talked on the show before about
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: the cryptocurrency, the bear Grease cryptocurrency idea, you just mentioned
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: it once on a past episode. I wasn't there. You
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: just mentioned it briefly, but so no, not really. Yeah.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: So months ago Chester and I took a call with
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: a crypto currency and and uh n f T expert
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: non fungible token, a non fungible Crypto, non fungible Token
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: n f T and cryptocurrency expert because we didn't want
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: to like miss out on the fund, you know, I mean,
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: like I don't wanna be left in the dust and
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: not uh up to speed on cryptos and n f
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: t s. And I said, I don't know if our
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: audience is quite ready for cryptos and n f t s,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: but like I need to know about it, like how
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: to make an n f T and sell it or
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: whatever give it away? I don't know. Then one day
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: Clay had the idea that when we do make a cryptocurrency,
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: we call it bear grease genius, and it would trade
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: it would trade in ounces, tablespoons. But the cryptocurrency is
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: called bear grease. So when you go to one of
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: those cryptocurrency things you see bitcoin does, right, there would
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: be bear grease there, and we have a way to
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: manipulate the price. Like we're way ahead on how to
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: manipulate the price, because here's how you maniplate, here's how
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: you manipulate the crisis cryptocurrency. Is this is it good
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: to tell the other thing was that that the premise
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: of the idea is that bear grease was once she
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: used as a currency, you know, so like different volumes
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: of vergaras could have been traded. So it was like
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: it was like a currency. Oh you know what, you
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: need to fact check yourself on Clay's Clay says, there
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: used to be in olden times there was a unit
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: of measurement called an eel. How sure are you that
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: that's true? Well, listen, So I I this week I
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: went to the book that I felt like I read
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: that in and it wasn't there. And I actually emailed
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: the author. No, no, no, no no no, did you remove
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: a passage from No? No? I so I. So I
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: emailed the guy and I said, man, I could have
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: swore I read that in your book. I'm I'm very
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: certain I read that because I wrote about it myself.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: I quoted someone in an article I wrote twelve years
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: ago about the tanned neck hide of a deer being
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: a unit of measurement for bear grease, and they called
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: it and you know, I was reading this, so I'm
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: just like fonetically pronouncing it as an eel. And I
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: don't even really remember how it was spelled. So I
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: contacted Keith Sutton, who wrote this book. I thought I
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: read it in. He said, no, Clay, I've never heard
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: of that, but I read it somewhere, because ten twelve
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: years ago I quoted it in an article that was
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: at one time online, but that article is no longer online. Well,
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: we just had a Daniel Boone historian. We just interviewed
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: Daniel Boone historian. Ted Franklin Blue ran the whole eel
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: thing by him, and he didn't know what we're talking about. Yeah,
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: well you're in hot water, buddy. Well I'm gonna I'm
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: gonna keep searching for it because I I've read it.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: I've read it somewhere. I loved I love Paul Revere,
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: whether he wrote or not, by which I love either way. Dude,
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: if it's not true, we just need to make it
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: true and tan a deer neck a cylinder, stitch one
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: in and fill it full of barres and put a
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: purse string on the other end and draw it tight.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: I just don't think you could make that up, you know,
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, like, no, that would you might have. You
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: might have dreamt it in some sort of hallucinatory state
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: or something that's possible. That is possible. So what's interesting
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: is there's another old measurement called an L E L L.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: What's that? It's uh Northwestern European unit of measurement originally
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: understood as a cubit the combined length of the forearm
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: and extended hand. That's it, dude, it's gotta be L L.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: But no, but it has nothing to do with no no, no, no. Listen.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: I bet money that the volume of a white tailed
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: deer neck so together, would be equivalent to a Yeah,
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: so they used the deer neck. And but the unit
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: of measurement is an E L L. You're honest, You're like,
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: you're like Sherlock Holmes. Man, he's like a guy with
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: with Google. Yah. Wikipedia. I'm not making the connection. I am.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: You are to say I said to you, Let's say
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: I said to you, I had a uh my kid.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: Let's say to take my kids palm, okay, and I
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: poured some liquid in my kid's palm. And it just
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: so happens that an ounce of water fits in my
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: kid's palm. And I were to say, oh, I'll I
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: can tell you what ounce is my kid's palm. When
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: he holds water in his palm, that's exactly an ounce.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: So it could be that he was reading where some
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: guys said that we we know there's a unit of measurement,
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: and some guy says, some guy realizes that he can
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: equate or get an equivalent of that unit of measurement
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: when he fills a deer neck, that that winds up
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: being that if I said, deer neck, is it holds
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: a leader roughly a leader? I know, But the the
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: l that I just described has nothing to do with volume. Oh,
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: I should listen more carefully, but picture that it did.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: I bet that's the connection. I bet the just somehow
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: that measurement. You know, maybe the deer neck was eighteen inches,
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: but they they sold Barger that the storage of the
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: beargrease was in the tan neck hide of a deer,
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: and they used that unit of measurement to describe the quantity.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: You better go find it. Yeah, let me tell you something, Clay.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: Here's a no, this is an apocryphal story. Tell me
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: what that means the second time we've used it on
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: the podcast. Um, it means that it's um. I can't
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: explain it. Like it sort of like captures the essence
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: of a thing, dubious authenticity, something widely circulated as set time.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: I got this wrong. Oh no, I got right. There
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: was an apocryphal story that General Sherman this this listen
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: to what I'm telling you, Clay, about this dear neck deal.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: People used to same undivided attention. But listen to his
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: listen Man. I listened to him so carefully that I
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: realized there was a problem. No one else here realized
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: there was a problem. Go ahead. There's a story that
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: General Sherman went to the Texas Assembly and said, we
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: need to kill all the buffalo in order to defeat
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: the Native Americans. That once we kill the buffalo, they'll
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: have nothing to eat, and we'll be able to subjugate
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: them to reservation confinement. That he that he said, articulated
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: this perspective. Later, a graduate student working under the historian
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: Dan Flores, who had been reading that his whole life.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: I've read that. I was like, well, where did that go? Where? Where? Like?
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: When did he give the speech? He goes down to
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: Austin to do his research. General Sherman never even spoke,
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: never addressed the Texas Assembly. Huh, But it is a
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: widely trafficed somehow entered under it, like it it It
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: entered the sort of cannon of understanding in a way
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  Speaker 1: that no one ever went and looked, and it just
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: became like a repeated thing and a repeated thing and
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: repeated thing the same way. I run around telling people
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: about this dear neck business. And then someone someday it
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, I'm really, what exactly when did that happen?
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: And then then like, you know what, it didn't like
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: we've been all spouting off the same thing from the
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: same place. You know that Boone used to shoot the
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: boonwood bark squirrels. You know this, well, I've heard this
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: boonwood bark squirrels. Turns out the guy that says he
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: saw Boone bark squirrels some year in Kentucky Boone wasn't
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: in Kentucky that year. Mhm, he was in Missouri. But
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: that's an every damn book. So now everyone knows what
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: apocryphal means. Are we sure Lincoln was ever even in Gettysburg?
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: We should follow up? Turns out, yeah, uh, but either way.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: This cryptocurrency called bear grease, um, I'm into it. And
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: a guy wrote in that he thinks that it could
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: be possible, and we know how to like wildly inflate.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: This is the part you can't tell people how to
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: wildly inflate Clay's bear Grease cryptocurrency, just a shortage of
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: here right, no, no, no, no, okay, Clay. Should we
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: tell or not tell? Well, I mean, I guess if
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: we're gonna do it, we shouldn't tell. If I'm not
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: gonna do it, we should tell him, just to show
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: people how much we think about these things. But a
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: guy wrote in to say that he thinks that, uh.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: He says, if we're a programmer wrote in, he says,
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: uh that he could work up something that could quote
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: work to both our benefits. She sounds like a bear
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: eel sales. I mean, I am way in and that's
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: and it's gonna trade when we produce it. Instead of
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: buying a bitcoin, you'll buy a tablespoon up to you know,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: and it'll be measured up to an eel. You can
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: buy an eel of bear grease and it'll be a night.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: I'm out of it. That listener email feels like you
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: could be part of like a deposition someday. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: just thinking it sounds like some crooked dudes. Is it
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: sure that you said it could work to both of
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: your venger Um Clay is gonna break down a cool
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: story about burgeras um, and I'll also give us an
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: update on Burgeri's podcast. But first, it's the end of
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: Chester the investor like the end and Chester sold out
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: bought a Walleye boat. Tell aybody the story Chester. Well,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: I'm super happy, you know with my decisions. Um, bitcoin
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: was going, Bitcoin was taking well. Jesser was telling me
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: how bitcoin is gonna be worth a hundred thousand dollars
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: per coin by the end of the year, because still
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: there's a chance. Um. Anyways, Bitcoin, I was sick of
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: staring at it, and I sold it and it happened
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: to be right before it tanked. Was it addictive to you,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: like like Instagram? Like like an app that you check?
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: It is nodding their head. Yes, he had a little
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: bit of a checking problem. You said you said you
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: were sick of staring at it. So I guess I'm
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: just trying to get to the bottom. What does that mean.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: I'm still I'm kind of sick of staring at Instagram,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: but I still have it, um sometimes, you know, but
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I just got got rid of it
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: because one I needed a Walleye boat, and I feel
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: like I wasn't too addicted to it. No, you must
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: not have been addictive because you haven't bought any more.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: What does it mean to be sick of staring at it?
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: Like eighty bucks in bitcoin? We're still right now, still
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: in Just did you make much money on you when
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: you sold? I made only a few hundred bucks that yeah,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: but I was way up. And but I mean I
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: got out before I lost. So. Um. But I had
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: been looking for a boat for a long time, and
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: I was sick of getting chased off the lake by weather.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: In Seth's boat, Seth and Eye fish a lot, and uh,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: we had to get off the lake a lot because
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: weather had come in. And I bought a boat. I
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: found a boat in Wisconsin, Oshkosh, Wisconsin, Uh, for the
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: Lake Winnebago there, which is like an excellent little walleye lake.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: So I figured the boat had some good juju and stuff. Um.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: It's called a Sylvan. It's a sixteen and a half
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: foot boat, super deep v really wide beam. Um, it's
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: a tiller and it's just like perfect little fishing boat.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: So my parents grabbed it checked it out. My dad
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: consulted with his buddy who is a walleye fisherman, and
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: he said the boat was good. They drove it out
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: to South Dakota, met me. I fished my parents a
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: little bit. The boat's probably caught, been in it like
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: six times, probably pushing a hundred walleye. All right, so
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: good for you, Damn Chester. Yeah, we gotta get out
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: anybody here, we gotta get he's running my fish finder
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: on it right now. Well, yeah, I need I need
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: a need a better fish finder. The one that was
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: on there is supposedly good, but it's not working. So
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: so can you handle some bigger waves? Now? Yeah? I
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: was actually out there the other day with Matt, one
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: of our producers, and it was real choppy. You wouldn't
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: want to be out there if it were any chop here.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: And we didn't take on water. So it's it's sweet,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: like and I'm, you know, glad, I'm not doing the bitcoin,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: but bitcoin is coming back. So Chester divested in bitcoin. Yeah.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: What I wanted to see. What I want to do.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: What I want to do with the bargrease cryptocurrency is
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: it's you. It's usable for all of our internal stuff, yep,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: and then we can I keep want to tell people
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: about it. I don't I shouldn't mention it how to
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: manipulate the currency, Okay, Clay, give us a book report.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: So this came from where everything comes from, Jim helf Jim, Yeah,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: Jim Heffelfinger. He sent us, Uh, he sent Steve and
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: I an article. It was actually an article in a
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: magazine from eighteen seventy one. And I'll go ahead and
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: tell you the punchline. He's just Jim just getting caught
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: up on his reading and uh got into his eight Yeah.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: So so the punch line of this guy's ends up
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: in bargrease. Okay. But it was a pretty fascinating article,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: and it it wasn't a light read. I think there's
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: like seventeen printed pages fine print, so it was it was.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: It was a good read. But it was published in
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: Scribner's Monthly, which was a magazine November eighteen seventy one,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: and it's the title of the article is thirty seven
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: Days of Peril. What kind of magazine was Scribtners. It
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: was a big magazine at the time, like a big
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: lifestyle magazine, and a lot of the they would have,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: you know, they would send like correspondence out to the
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: American West and do big stories. But it was like,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: so if you like, you know this because you've referenced
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: it and you're writing in the past, Yeah, you see
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: a lot of old Scriptners things. I mean, it was
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: it was a long It was like a long It
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: was a very highly subscribed long form journalism travelogue magazine
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: of its day, kind of equivalent to like what you
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: might imagine it's gone out. Do you remember when you
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: were kid, like Life magazine, you would have consumed Scriptners
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: in the way that people would have consumed Life magas
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: like a general interest publication. Yeah. Interesting, Yeah, this this
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: article would fit right in with what you're saying, Steve.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: So the title of it is thirty seven Days of Peril,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: and the it basically starts out with a guy in Helena, Montana,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: and he and a group of people are gonna go
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: into the Upper Yellowstone, which in that time period was
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: a super wild, uninhabited or uncivilized place, and he said
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: they were expecting thirty days on horseback, and he never
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: really told why they were going. They weren't necessarily hunting,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: but they were going down into the Upper Yellowstone. And
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: somehow he gets separated from the people that he's with
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: and he they're all on horseback, and he's separated from
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: his people, and he doesn't think much about it because
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: he knows where they're going. And he he talks about
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: camping by himself the first night and how he'll find
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: him the next day, and it's no big deal. Well,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: the next day he tries to track him and has
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: trouble tracking him, and so it comes the second day
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: and he still hasn't found him. And on the third
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: day he's kind of like, dang, I'm all by myself.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: But he still got his horse and his rifle and
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: all his gear, and he gets off of his horse
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: in the wilderness to go look for sign to track
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: his buddies. And on his horse, he has his scabbard,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: he has all his gear, every ounce of gear except
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: for the clothes on his back, and he and the
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: horse spooks. He just drops the reins and just gets off,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: this good Western horse. You know that he wasn't worried
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: about the horse running off. The horse spooks and takes
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: off over the hill, and he spends a day looking
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: for the horse, and the horse is gone and he
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: never sees the horse again. And so he is I
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: don't know how far, but so far away from civilization
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: that he's in real peril without anything but the clothes
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: on his back. And basically that's the the beginning point
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: of thirty seven Days of Peril, and he does an
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: incredible job of describing all the scenarios that go through
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: someone's mind who is alone in solitude in the wilderness,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: being starved, having to deal with the elements. It didn't
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: say exactly when it happened, but clearly it wasn't in
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: the winter, but it feels like it was sometime in
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: the fall, because there were times when there was a
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: foot of snow on the ground that would that the
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: snow would melt. But basically he lived off thistle roots.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: He he he would dig thistle roots, and there was
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: a period of time when he was by the hot
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: geysers in in the Yellowstone region and he would cook
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: thistle roots and geysers. He would sleep by the geysers
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: for the thermo geothermal warmth, and he described being sopping
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: wet from the vapor of the geyser, but also being
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: warm while the air temperature was super cold, so like
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: really wild stuff. He he one time made a shelter
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: out of um the limbs of an evergreen tree, you know,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: made like a makeshift shelter. And he said, he said
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: that that a hummingbird flew into the shelter and he
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: caught it with his hand, and he plucked the hummingbird
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: and ate it raw, and he said it was quote
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: a delicious meal for a half starved man. Um. He
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: he did a man these guys, I see so much
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: similarity in the way these guys wrote from like during
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: that time period, there's a lot of just lit your
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: literary terms and different things that use. The way they
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: described that was so similar between like a lot of
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: like this girlsh docker guy that I've talked about on
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: my podcast. But here's the interesting part I think that
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: you'll like Steve is that he started having hallucinations um
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: at some period during his during his trip, and he
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: described it like this. This is a quote, and this
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: is while he is starved, traveling in the wilderness, very
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: much so distressed by the elements. I mean, he talks
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: about storms and snow and he says, I was constantly
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: traveling in a dream land and indulging in strange reveries
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: such as I had never before known. I seemed to
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: possess a sort of duality of being, while constantly reminding
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: me of the necessities of my condition, had my imagination
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: with the vagaries of the most extravagant character. Nevertheless, I
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: was perfectly conscious of the tendency of these morbid influence
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: and often tried to shake them off. But like he
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: he was hallucinating, and he he had a plan for
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: how to get out of the wilderness. Like he thought, well,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: if I go over this mountain range, there's this town.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: And he gets way into his journey to get to
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: this other town, and he has what he called a hallucination.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: I think some people might call it like a visitation.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: He said, Uh, he had a visitation by someone in
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: his life that was a medical doctor that he perceived
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: as really wise, who he said, literally was there with
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: him and told him, don't go that way, there's no
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: food that direction. Go back the way you came. He does,
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: what this, you know, this hallucination says and he goes
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: back and backtracks himself all the way. But I mean,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: we're talking like a hundred miles and and uh, it
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: was just wild to hear it because he's this he's
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: evaluating it after the fact, you know, and he credits
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: this very vivid encounter with this you know, person from
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: his past that said don't go that way, and he
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: went back, and long story short, he uh on his
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: way back, there's a search party that's been sent out,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: and after thirty seven days, the search party finds him
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: and takes him back to a cabin. And here's where
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: the real hero of the story comes in. So they
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: get him back to the cabin and they start feeding him,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: and basically he can't keep any food down. And he
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: he talks about, how, you know, I've gone through all
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: this and now I'm gonna die that I'm back in civilization.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: His body was rejecting all the food. Well, the night
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: after here's the quote. Here's the quote. This is this
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: is the climax punchline of the story. Be ready to
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: you know, get excited. The night after my arrival. The
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: night after my arrival at the cabin, while suffering the
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: most excruciating agony and thinking that I had only been
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: saved to die among friends, a loud knock was heard
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: on the cabin door. An old man and mountain costume
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: entered Hunter, whose life had been spent among the mountains.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: As some beautiful, beautiful writing right, he was. His name
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: was Janice pou tell Us, and he was on his
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: way to find his brother. He listened to the stories
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: of my sufferings, and tears raptly course down his face.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: The rough weathered, his rough weathered, beaten face. This man
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: was not only a rugged mountain man, but he was
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: in touch with his feeling. You tell us why he
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: was crying again, I kind of got confused there. He
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: he was crying when this man told him about his
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: thirty seven days of peril. The smell mountain man wept
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: in the cabin. I don't think so well, that's what
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: he says. That's do you feel like you're gonna cry? No? No,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: read the seventeen just small tight inter He's saying that
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: this like I'm I'm setting I know, I know, I know,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: and I know the point and I like the reason
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: I I wanted. I know about the punch line of
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: the story, and I want Clay to tell it. But
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: it's got a real quick I don't buy that. The
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: man shows up and cries upon hearing what happened to him, cry,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: I'm with you, Steve, Like it's kind of like what
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: I older men that are in solitude are are very
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: um susceptible to emotional. Remember remember Reagan developed that towards
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: the end of his second term, developed that strange tendency
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: to cry a lot. Mm hmm. I think I'm there
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: right now in my life. I'm final, I've been there
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: my whole life. How do you feel like crying right
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: now about hearing about this guy? No? But what was
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: I telling you the other day? That were I was
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: telling you to watch? Oh? Yeah, that Uh it's kind
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: of goofy. I don't want to diverge diverge too much
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: here from way. Okay, okay, here's a here's a quick
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: way to do it watching the Olympics. Did you cry
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: at all? Watch the Olympics? You didn't watch the Olympics
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: at all? Is that my fishhet? I missed the whole thing?
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: Anybody else watching the Olympics? Huh? Some of it about like, uh,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: you know, achievements and losses in triumphs and and disappointments
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: and injuries, and then I don't know when people get
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: their medals, Like a lot of times, I'm like it
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: just touches me just that much. Might have been his personality,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: that is when I'm getting that I cried on my
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: babies were born. No, he's gonna list off all the time.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: He's cried on one hand. No, I cried at the
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: end of my life without me. I cried at the
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: end of the ken Burns Vietnam thing when the guy
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: that didn't want to go to the wall finally goes
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: to the wall. That made me cry. I did not cry,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: but it was very close to with the Rogan episode
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: of the North Korea Defector. Have you listened to that
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: man that's powerful and like I could if I were
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: in the room, if I were in the room when
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: she was like telling those stories, I'm pretty sure I
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: would have. And like, so I can see how this
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: mountain man, like having a presence in front of you
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: telling you of his hardship, would do that. Yeah, man,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: I regret bringing it up. Clay bout the mountain man
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: than it does the story. So here's the mountain man.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna continue reading from the quote, okay, And
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: and we're we're drawing nigh to our conclusions. Okay, i'd
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: only been had I only been saved to die among friends.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: A loud knock was heard on the cabin door. An
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: old mountain man and costume entered a hunter whose life
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: had been spent among the mountains. He was on his
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: way to find a brother. He listened to the story
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: of my sufferings, and tears rapidly coursed each other down
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: his rough, weather beaten face. But when he was told
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: of my present necessity, brightening in a moment, he exclaimed,
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: why Lord bless you. If that is all I have
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: a very the very remedy you need in two hours time,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: all shall be well with you. He left the cabin,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: returning in a moment with a sack filled with the
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: fat of a bear which he had killed a few
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: hours before. From this he rendered out a pint measure
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: of oil, and I drank the whole of it. It
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: proved to be the needed remedy, and the next day,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: freed from the pain, with appetite and digestion reestablished. I
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: felt that good. I felt that good food and plenty
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: of it were only necessary for an early recovery. In
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: a day or two, let's see, yadi yadi ya. He
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: was good to go, and he went back to Bozeman, Montana. Bargrease, bear, grease, save.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: So that's why Jim Jim Heffelfinger had read that, and uh,
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: he's been listening to the Bargreas podcast and he wanted
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: me to read that little section about the old Mountain man. Dude,
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: that is great and bear Grease podcast. There you have it.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: Do you think you could stomach two cups of rendered
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: row oil? No? No, no no. I watched my brother
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: drink of coffee mug. I dropped my brother drink a
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: coffee mug full of it. Nothing happened to him. Huh,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: your brother, I said, man, you are gonna be having
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: some problems. Nothing happened to him. And Jim could not
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: have anticipated that. We'd also talked about the Olympics and
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: childbirth and North Korea in the story, so Yanni crying
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: all about everything? Um, what's funny? What brings two worlds together?
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: Is probably the two most mentioned to people on the show.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: Or uh, our buddy Doug Dern from the Driftless area,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: Wisconsin and Jim Heffelfinger, And they were together yesterday. WHOA.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: So if there was like a cosmic disturbance there, but
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: cosmics like you felt something in the force, it was
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: because those who were driving around ducks. But he's Doug
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: even took him to see the navel Doug's hat on
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: right now. It's good to hate. It's not ours, it's
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: just our turn dark during Thank You Clay, tune into
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: Clay's Bargers podcast. He's got a three partner coming up
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: on boone. It's happening right now as this podcast podcast
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: kicking ass. Man, is this when we get an answer
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: to Clay about coonskin hats? Oh yeah, alright, get it
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: for sure? Man? How boon didn't like him? Well that
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: it's not what it seems. That's that's how Clay set
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: it up. Hmm, yeah, we are. Yeah, it's it's been
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: really fun, very fun building out this series. A little
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: more challenging than I thought telling someone's whole life story,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: but got getting a lot of really great feedback on it.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, what's cool is that there's a lot of
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: non hunting people that are listening to the Burgers podcast
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: and liking it. You know. Yeah, it's it's been a
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: lot of fun born on. There was a there was
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: a guy that on the Bargaries podcast. It again, there's
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: a guy that an old man broke down on the
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: Bargaries podcast and cried Mr Roy Yeah, yeah, talking about
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: tears and old man. You won't hear some crying can't
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: fire stories. Bro Well, I was going to bring that
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: up right. Tell me you could listen to all of those. Now,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: it's different for you because you worked on the problem.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: Chokes me up a little bit, brody story, chokes me
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: up a little bit. Saving that boy who's dead. Oh,
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: I got bolkou feelings. Man, they just don't show themselves,
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: uh through viscous liquid. You don't you feel that I'm
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: a dispassionate person. I feel like you declared yourself fashion
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: in person. Let's wrap her up. Clayveries podcast. Tune in
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: more stuff about booming thanks to Joins claim you guys
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: next time. Wait, wait, waitit, what's going on? Just wrap
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: it up? Got like thirty minutes the podcast left. That
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: was like an eighty minute podcast. You did, right. I
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: forgot forgot. Let's keep this in. I forgot. I forgot
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: about that. I was scrapping macrol Fronctation. You can do that.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: I was scrapping macro Fronctation because the shirts aren't available. Yeah,
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: and now we're rolling into rolling into our man, I
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: saw some tears welling up in your eyes. You're running
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: to the bathroom especially, so a bit forgot about Spencer
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: taking over all, Right, Claire, you're sticking around Batman, We're
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna close out with We're gonna cloth is
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: out with a Spencer. You have to think of a
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: catchy title for the trivia segment where where we test,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: where we blow test listeners minds. Phil did that. In
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: the editing, Heap threw in like some wild mix of
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: who Wants to Be a Millionaire? Music with No Country
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: for Old Men scene. I loved it. Oh, keep playing
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: it from real quick? Was that a Phil original? That
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: was a Phil original? That's great. I don't even know
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: about this. Yeah, you should listen to the podcast. It's
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: pretty good. So I do. Some guys listen just for
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: quality control stuff, but I'm here so I kind of
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: know what's in it. Yeah, it's a good point. But no,
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: I do quite often listen hit us Phil. Look, I
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: need to know what I shouldayer win everything. I'm saying,
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: just tend to win everything. Well, those things were meant
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: to be together. I didn't even know it. That's great, Okay,
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: so t it up, Spencer. We are back for the
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: second installment of Meat Eat Your Trivia that's what it's called. Yeah,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: this is trivia. You're not gonna get from Jeopardy or Yeah,
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to get these questions from Jeopardy or
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: Trivial Pursuit or a bar night trivia anything like that.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: These are born out of our four verticals. What are
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: they Steve, hunting, fishing, wild foods, and conservation. That's right,
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: And there is a prize, just like last time, Meat
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: Eater will donate one hundred dollars to the conservation organization
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: of the winner's choice in the winner's name. We need
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: to get Chester dressed up in a little speed over
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: to turn the when it turns into a real thing,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: to turn the things, you know, like to be like
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: a white character, but it'll be Jester speed up. This
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: is gonna be like a sex appeal to it, man,
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: like you know that old role they used to have
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: like on Prices. Right, he had like fifty people running
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: around in nightgowns. Right, it's gonna be ten questions. Last time,
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: Brody and Cal tied with six, then went to the
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: tiebreaker and Brody one. I think with this group of folks, though,
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: we got some ringers in the room and uh and
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: joining us virtually, and this group of questions, I think
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: it's gonna take seven or eight. As we designed this show,
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: as uh as we designed this show, and listeners are
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: here with us in the design process. I think it
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: should always be that the reigning champion like Brody, should
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: be here. It's it's the raining champion's birthday, so I
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: think he can just do whatever he wants. He says
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: he's dragging a crawler highness right now for Wallyares, I'll
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: just text them with him. I like it. Like the
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: sound of that too, so we ready. It's pretty slow.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: M hmm, I'm ready, all right. Question one, the category
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: is cooking, and last time the first question was multiple choice.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: I've made a decision. We're gonna do that every time
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: going forward, just to give you guys some confidence, hopefully
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: for the next time. Every question, every question is multiple choice,
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: every question one when we do trivia. So last time
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: the question one was multiple choice. This time question one
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: is multiple choice. The next nine will not be there.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: The category is cooking. Which of these cooking oils has
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: the highest smoke point? Peanut oil, extra virgin olive oil,
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: canola oil, or coconut oil. Now here's where the question
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: is squad. Oh they all refined, Yes, they refined. Sure
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: your choices again, which one has the highest smoke point? Peanut,
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: extra virgin, olive, canola or coconut? And score? Just for fun? Please?
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: Phil can't take it. He's such a trivia guy. Have
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: we talked about it on this podcast? Like Phil's like
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: serious trivia Like he when when covid started, he would
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: host meat Eater trivia nights over zoom Like, I don't
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: know if it's weekly, but he'll just bring people people
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: to trivia nights at bars. It shifted into karaoke the
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: for the last few weeks. When you switch back from that,
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: give me a shout. Really, yeah, first time I hung
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: out with Phil outside of work was supposed to be
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: a trivia night and then it was a karaoke night.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: Did you do up and do it anything? Oh? Man?
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: I do songs all the time. Really yeah? What's the
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: song that you do? Um? Most recently did Neon Moon
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: by Brooks and Dunn. I did Crocodile Rock, John, Phil
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: and I did a duet. We did, we did. We
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: did a shadow from the latest Stars Are In movie
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: with Bradley Cooper and Lady Gaga. Do you want to
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: guess who is who? I don't know. I was Bradley Cooper.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: He was Lady Gaga, but like always, he stole the show.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: Did great. Okay, let's not keep going here. Alright, alright,
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: does everyone have an answer? Reveal your answers. We have
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: extra virgin olive oil at three hundred fifty degrees, coconut
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: oil at three hundred fifty degrees, canola oil at four
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: hundred degrees, and the correct answer peanut oil is four fifty. Oh. Yeah,
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: so we had a big win for Steve. Oh, I
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: just put a peanut Okay, yeah, I saw him. Clay,
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: would you know? I didn't get it right? So everybody
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: but Phil and Clay. It's got to Clay as honest man,
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: because it's like there's very few people, very few people
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: that I would trust to do it remotely. That's right.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: He could be playing Google and we wouldn't even know.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: But but Clay is, like, I trust him. It's that trust.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: I'm terrible at trivia. To question to the topic is first? First, First,
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: what is the name for a female fox? Ah, what
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: is the name for a female fox? I don't think
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: that's a fur question. To be honest, with you. I
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: think it's like mammalogy. Sure. Uh, it's hard to look
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: for feedback. It's hard to integrate first into the trivia.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: So this is this is the first question. Do you
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: ever give tips? I'll give you some points. I will
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: not give a hint. No, can we do that game
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: where what's that game where you give the answer to
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: a question? Jeopardy? Okay? For a future one? Uh? The
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: answer is plue? Remember that, and you're making craft a
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: question out of that? Okay, okay, So remind you. The
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: question is what is the name for a female fox?
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: Steve was very confident and had an answer before I
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: finished the question. But the rest of the room does
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: not look like they have it. I'm on it, don't don't. Oh,
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: all right, here we go reveal your answers. We have
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: a lot of Okay, The correct answer, as Steve and
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: Clay have is vixen. Here's another one. What is in
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: the round? Okay? I remember that a male fox is
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: called a dog fox or todd, a baby fox is
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: called a pup kit or cub, and a group of
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: foxes is called a skulk or a leash or a
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: female is a vixen. Can you hit me the group again,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: I never heard that is a skulk or a leash. Huh,
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: really skulk because used other places skulking around. I saw
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: you out there, skulk. You spoke off be good in
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: fox tense. So we have Steve got the first two right,
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: so this is more like it. Man questions. I got
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: humiliated question three, and I would consider this probably the
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: toughest question of the batch for today. This is a
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: visual question, but I'm gonna do such a damn good
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: job describing what these guys are looking at that if
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: you're listening this, you're gonna be able to play along
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: and know what's happening. I'm holding in my hand a
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: bench made steep Country knife, and I would wager say
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: this is like the most popular knife in the office.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: Anytime I'm in the field with one of you fellas,
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: I feel like you guys have the steep Country Yeah,
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: go to the meater dot com. You can see the
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: knife and buy it. That's right. And you may not
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: know it, but one of the reasons you like it
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: so much is because of these notches in the back
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: of the blade. So the question is a little warm grippers,
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: what do you call the small notche or filework cut
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: into the back of a knife blade song. Yeah, that's
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: a tough one, Spencer, Karen, can you help me describe
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: what it is? I'm I'm we're looking at here in
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: the room. You know. It's like if you, oh, wait,
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: this part by the handle note on the blade. So
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: if you're holding the knife and your thumb lines up
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: with the non sharp obviously part of the blade above
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: the handle, you've got some ridges like you could really
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: kind of coarsely maybe file your nail. That's right. So
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: what do you call these small notches or filework cut
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: into the back knife? I don't I haven't seen anyone
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: come up with an answer yet. Well, I got one
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: written down. Yeah, I don't think I have it, but descriptions.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: Everybody ready reveal your answers. Nobody got it right. The
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: correct answer is jimping. What this is the jimping of
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: a knife? J I M P I n G. Wow.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: That's great. That's good trivia right there there. Occasionally, these
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: repeating ridges are just for aesthetics, Like if if you
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: went into a gas station and they had like some
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: big Rambo knives right that are like twelve inches long,
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: then it would just be like an aesthetics thing. But
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: for a knife like the steep Country Um, these have
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: a real purpose, and that is to keep your index
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: finger or thumb from sliding around. Yeah. Sure, that's why
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: I call him thumb grippers. But I'm in that's what
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: I called it to what I called it scoring on
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: my chart on my little Deally knife. Makers call it
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: file work. No, they call it jimping play. I'm gonna
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: need this spoon expert to verify that's a real term
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: spencer and everything. But he probably I think he probably
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: does these right. I want to know how he came
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: across the gymping. I was actually reading the description of
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: our steep country knife and bench made uh talked about
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: how this is why this is one of the reasons
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: why it's the perfect field knife. It's because the jimping
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: is so good. If I type in jumping into Google,
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: it auto fills jimping knife, jimping file, jimping definition, jimping patterns.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: I'll go to jimping knife and low and behold it's
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: little thumb grippers at the top side base of the blade.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: That's right, So you didn't even know it. But when
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: you're gutting out a deer or skinning a turkey or something.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: That thing is helping you out a lot. Here's a YouTube.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: So there's an outfit called three River Blades. Back in
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: two thousand twelve posted a video knife making tutorial. How
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: do I add jimping to an already made knife? There
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: you go throw that term around. Now, you sound like
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: a real outdoorsman. Question four, and I'll remind the audience,
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: nobody got question three right. So if you did get
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: it right, you're damn smart person. Question for categories public lands?
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: What state leads America in bigfoot sightings? Who? What you're
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: going to put down? Washington? What state leads America in
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: bigfoot sightings? Now? Is this one of those like, um oh,
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: it's so obvious? Or is this one of those I
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: didn't know that. I am a host that does not
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: provide hinds, so you can I mean, this would be
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: a tough one to verify. I would feel like, I mean,
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: there's not like I have a solved, you know, like
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: website where you put up websites? There is So when
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: when I reveal the answer, I will give you my source, Clay,
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: and I think you'll be satisfied, just play along. Would
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: you reminder what state leads America in bigfoot sightings? Does
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: everybody have an answer? Reveal your answer? The correct answer,
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: which I see nobody has is Washington. Is it like, Oh,
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: that's obvious or is it I didn't know that? And
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: then what did I say? Well, you didn't tell me
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know that state. Uh, Phil was the only
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  Speaker 1: one who got it right. This stat comes from the
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  Speaker 1: Bigfoot Field Researchers Organizations, who has been tracking Sasquatch sightings
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  Speaker 1: since in the last twenty five years, Washington has had
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: six hundred and seventy six bigfoot sidings. Amazingly, Oregon, their
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: neighbors to the south, has only had two hundred and
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  Speaker 1: fifty four big foot sidings, which is less than states
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  Speaker 1: like Florida, Ohio, and Illinois. See. I think it's kind
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: of a self fulfilling prophecy thing for Washington because people
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: flock there because they that's like the bigfoot state, and
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: then they supposedly see big foot. This is absolutely a
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: question about people, not about Bigfoot. God. I'm finding it's
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: like this game, it's not so much what you know,
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: it's how good you are at Like how good. You
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: are your own psychology man. There you go psychology. The
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: first thing that popped into my mind was Washington. You
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  Speaker 1: said that I was like poison, Well, poison the well
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  Speaker 1: damn man, Phil you keeping track score. I picked Oklahoma
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  Speaker 1: because Oklahoma there was a senator that proposed a bigfoot
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  Speaker 1: hunting season like legitimately. Question five, the category is fish.
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  Speaker 1: What do you call the hybrid fish that's created by
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: a large mouth bass and a small mouth bass? Oh?
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: What do you call the hybrid fish that's created by
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: a large mouth bass and a small mouth bass. I
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: should really pay more attention when I'm atting bent. Everybody
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  Speaker 1: have an answer, yes, reveal your answers. The correct answer,
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: which I see nobody has, is a meanmouth bass. Yeah,
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: here's Steven's close mouth. If you someone to think you
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: foul hooked a bass, that's the hard spelled Yeah, a
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  Speaker 1: mean mouth bass. It got its name in the nineteen
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  Speaker 1: sixties from biologists that watch a pond of them attack
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  Speaker 1: humans and dogs that would wade into shallow water. The
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  Speaker 1: meanmouth world record was broken earlier this year with a
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: seven pound, nine ounce bass from Texas. If you want
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: to see the pictures of it, go to the media
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: dot Com and read Maggie held those Juni leventh article
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: titled the most interesting world record of the year. That
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: is an announcer right there. Yeah, you've really overestimated this
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: group of players. No, no, I like it, like this
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: man like man. So we are halfway through. Can you
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: give us a scoreboard of date? Phil? In first place?
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: We have Steve Ronella. I thought I'm tired Clay with two.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: I think Clay only has one. Yeah, everyone else has one.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: I'm kicking ass, dude, game halftime, anybody can win, that's right.
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  Speaker 1: Question six. The category is mountain men. I have a
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  Speaker 1: lot of faith in this room to get this one right.
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  Speaker 1: Jebediah Smith, Jim Beckworth, and Hugh Glass all have this
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: cause of death in common. Jebediah Smith, Jim Beckworth, and
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: Hugh Glass all have this cause of death in common?
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: How specific? Just general? I will accept a general answer.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: I got it. Jebediah Smith, Jim Beckworth, confident, and Huge Glass,
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: three famous mountain men, all have this cause of death
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  Speaker 1: in common. I'm confident, and I hope I'm confident in
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: my guess. I think Steve was confident, Yanni was confident.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: I'm sure Steve got this one all right? Everybody has
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  Speaker 1: an answer. Reveal your answer the correct answer, which only
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: Steve has. All three were killed by Native Americans. Jebediah
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  Speaker 1: Smith was shot by comanches in Kansas. Hugh Glass was
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: shot by a rick. Jedediah Smith. Jedediah Smith was killed
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  Speaker 1: out a water hole by Native Americans in Kansas near
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  Speaker 1: modern day Kansas because his effects wound up in his
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: effects wound up in Santa Fe or Taos. Just read
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: about this, those Kansas double check me while I explained
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: the rest of the answer. Jebediah Smith shot by comanches
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: in Kansas, Jed Dada Jededi Hugh Glass shot some trivit
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  Speaker 1: for you buster, bring him strong, Okay, I did not
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  Speaker 1: know that. And while some historians believe Jim Beckworth died
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: of natural causes, his personal friend and founder of the
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: Rocky Mountain News, William Buyers, claims he was poisoned to
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: death by the crow in Montana. Mhm, that's how those
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: three Fellers died. Man, I am pulling out a strong lead.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: So Steve three, everyone else one? I got what by
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson question seven? And again I have faith in
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: the room. Categories cooking. The culinary term el dente refers
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: to the dumbness of what food item. Ah, come on, man,
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: this isn't in the This isn't I know it, but
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: this isn't in the How does this have any to
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: do with anything we talked about. We have plenty of
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: recipes in your cookbook, on our website, on your TV
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: shows that I imagine use this food item. The culinary
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: term dante refers to the dumbness of what food item.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: I think a better one would have been, like, what
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: does it mean? The definition of it? Everyone had I'm
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm already being hard enough on you, guys. I
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: feel like you need some help. Gimme disappointed, reveal your answers.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: Everybody except for Chester as the correct Clay does it
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: because he put up two answers. I can't do that.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: The correct answer is pasta dente. Pasta is supposed to
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: be firm to the bite. According to chef Jesse Griffiths,
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: who studied and worked in Italy, all pasta should be
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: cooked to al dente, with the only exceptions being baked
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: dishes like lasagna. Doesn't mean something like to the two
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: correct yes. I also would have accepted rice. Some people
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: use it for rice, but more commonly it would be pasta.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: When we come out with the game, let's not put
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: that one in there because it was too easy. We're
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: gonna develop a board game. I'm in question eight. The
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: category is hunting, and this is an audio question. I'm
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: going to play for you a calling sequence and you
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: need to identify what game bird it's from. M hmm.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: Everybody ready, very excited. Here we go. What game bird
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: is the noise from? Mm hmm. See, Steve came up
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: with an answer fairly fast. I don't like my answer.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: The rest of the room not so much. Okay, everybody
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: feel your answer. The correct answer is teal, which nobody
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: got correct green winged teal. Although most hunters consider tealed
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: to be one of the fastest ducks, they're actually some
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: of the slowest, with flight speeds of thirty miles per hour.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: The fastest duck ever recorded was a red breasted merganser
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: traveling at one hundred miles per hour while being pursued
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: by an airplane. You know, I think why teals seem
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: so fast as they fly low and erratically. The erratic
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: thing is definitely, but any duck any duck hunter you'd
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: asked me, like, what's fastest bird? I'm convinced they would
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: say teal because they I mean, they kind of like
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: they're so low. They often come in unannounced and so
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: you don't see them until they're like going buy your
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: face and they're dodging and just give Ocean ducks too
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: are known to be pretty fast. Answer hundred miles an hour.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: And that stat comes from ducks unlimited. So if you've
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: got a problem, Clay, take it up with them. We
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: are on the question nine, Phil, can you give us
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: a scoreboard update with two questions left? Yes, In third
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: place with one point, we have Chester the investor in
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: sect type. For second place, we have Karin, Janice and
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: Clay with two and in first place it's Steve with four.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: You say last for third? I think right? The third
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: is last. Trying to be nice, He's like you two questions,
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: two questions left winning a bronze medal. We need, uh,
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: we need Steve to get them wrong and other folks
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: to get them right. Question nine. The categories conservation because
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: they're gonna be a lab via category. What year did
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: President Richard Nixon signed the Endangered Species Act? Oh? Steve
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: got it, and it is in the name of the act. Oftentimes,
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: if someone was talking about this, they would say the
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: Endangered Species Act of I got it down here two years.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: I can't decide where I'm gonna go with. If it
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: helps you all, it was President Richard Nixon, so if
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: you can do some elimination math about when he may
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: have been in office, he signed it one of those years.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Dang, it's two digits, okay, because I do
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: know what, I will not confuse it with like seventeen something.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: I'm seeing a lot of educated guesses in the room,
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: is what I'm what I'm guessing. Al Right, everybody, reveal
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: your answer. The correct answer that I can't What is
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: the correct answer which nobody got is nineteen seventy three.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: I had seventy four and surrounded. This replaced the Endangered
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: Species Preservation Act of nineteen sixty six and the Endangered
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: Species Conservation Act of nineteen sixty nine. It passed in
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: the House with a vote of three hundred and fifty
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: five to four, and unanis unanimously passed in the Senate.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: That's what I love about that story. And when the
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: wilderness at got past is how unanimous they were, and
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: how about how many people said that neither of them
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: had enough teeth they should have made it even yeah,
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: tougher when people talk about the fractious nature in the
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: polarization um of today, and you kind of like, oh no,
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: maybe it's probably like always when you look back, it's
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: some of these things. The past was such widespread support,
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: you realize that there was a time when you didn't,
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: when everything wasn't just like split margins, split margins, split margin. Yeah.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: And I tried last night, like the Dickens, to find
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: the four people in the house that voted against it,
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: just to like get their reasonings for it. I can't
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: find it on the internet. So if you if you
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: know something that I don't, I'd love to hear about
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: what those four folks had in mind when they voted
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: against it. They're raised from history question ten and Steve
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: has wrapped it up at this point, but everyone else
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: can play for silver medal. The category is fish. In
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: the movie Grumpy Year Old Men, what is the name
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: of the legendary fish that Max and John try to catch,
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: which shares its name with a famous baseball pitcher from
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: the seventies In the movie Grumpy Year Old Men, which
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: I believe is the sequel to Just Grumpy Old Men.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: What is the name of the legendary fish that Max
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: and John tried to catch? What shares its name with
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: a famous baseball pitcher from the seventies never seen the
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: movie Can't Have You? Do you know any baseball pictures
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: from the seventies? M h, we don't do baseball down here, trying.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: That's actually not true at all, But damn man, he's
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: a good question. You know what makes some good questions?
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: A lot of them feel like you should know. That's
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: when you know it's a good question. Jest. You're sure
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: looks like he knows all right? Does everyone have an answer?
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: Reveal your answer? The correct answer, which nobody has is
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: Catfish Hunter. Catfish Hunter. The real person his real name
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: was James Hunter, but the Oakland A's owner gave him
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: the Moniker Catfish because he thought the picture needed a
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: flashy nickname to get the media's attention. And in the
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: movie Grumpy Year Old Man, they actually catch it on
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: what I think is Max's son's wedding day, and it
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: makes him late for the wedding. Catfish Hunter and it's
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: it's a it's a ridiculous fun scene where the flathead
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: catfish comes out of the water as if it's like
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: a blue whale, right, and like, uh yeah, of course, yep,
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: of course. Where did I get Walter from? Because that
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: was one of the character's names. No, one of the
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: actors that plays one of the characters names Walter. Oh yeah,
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: Walter Matho. Damn man, everybody's happy, Steve, where are you
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: going to donate the hundred dollars for Meat Eater? Well,
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: I'm going to donate my hundred dollars to the Theodore
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: Roosevelt Conservation Partnership. They're on a two oh sweep for
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: this game. There you go. Thanks, better work up some more.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: Thank you, oh real quick too. If you have a
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: good question you think we ought to include, um, you
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: gotta send it over to Spencer at So here's the address.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: You send your thing too, Trivia at the Meat Eater
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: dot com. And if it, uh, you know, if it
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: makes the cut, you'll hear us give it on this show.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: See you guys soon.