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DIDDY'S "OBAMA'S ECSTASY" HABIT LAUNCHES "OTHER WOMAN" DEFENSE · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Sean Combs aka Ditty's Obama ecstasy habit. This as he
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Speaker 2: launches an other woman defense and we learn that Louis
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Speaker 2: Vuitton bag stuff full of cocaine, ecstasy, horse trunk plan
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Speaker 2: be birth control was also stuffed full of viagra for Ditty.
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Speaker 2: Plus Cassie Ventura's mom turns states witness.
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. Straight out to the courthouse.
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Speaker 2: Standing by Lauren Conlin, who has been in the courtroom
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Speaker 2: throughout the day. Lauren Colin, investigative reporter and star of
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Speaker 2: Pop Crime TV.
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Speaker 1: Lauren, thank you for being with us. What happened in
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Speaker 1: court today?
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Speaker 3: It's been an eventful day so far.
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Speaker 4: We finished up the direct examination of Ditty's former assistant
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Speaker 4: James and the Cross and we learned a lot about Ditty,
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Speaker 4: a lot about what he had his assistance do. Something
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Speaker 4: that David James spoke about was advancing room locations and
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Speaker 4: this includes anything from a green room at the Ellen
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Speaker 4: Show to a hotel room. Now, what was interesting about
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Speaker 4: this hotel room advancing is you know, he said he
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Speaker 4: got snacks for Ditty and by the way, Nancy. He
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Speaker 4: testified that Ditty would request jello and apple sauce. Apparently
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Speaker 4: he put apple sauce on his cheeseburgers. But he would
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Speaker 4: also get things like baby oil, astroblide, and condoms. And
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Speaker 4: when he would pick up things like these, he would
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Speaker 4: not expense them through Bad Boy.
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Speaker 3: He would get cash as reimbursement.
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Speaker 4: And he also said that he would set out all
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Speaker 4: Ditty's toiletries, which as you mentioned, included sometimes.
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Speaker 3: Viagra or just for men. We also heard that something
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Speaker 3: that I found was very shocking.
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Speaker 4: David James was forced to take two you lie detector
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Speaker 4: tests when things went missing jewelry at one point, a
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Speaker 4: bracelet of cassis, and then we heard we actually saw
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Speaker 4: Diddy smile. At one point, David James described being at
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Speaker 4: a Diddy party and doing something called diddy bopping.
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Speaker 3: I don't really know what that was, but it made
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Speaker 3: Diddy laugh.
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Speaker 4: And at this party, David James described that he was off,
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Speaker 4: so he attended a New Year's Eve party. He stole
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Speaker 4: an ecstasy pill from Diddy. He was having fun. The
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Speaker 4: next day did he called him into his office because
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Speaker 4: apparently he took video of all his party. He saw
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Speaker 4: David James and said, hey, were you on drugs or
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Speaker 4: were you on ecstasy? And David James says, yes, I was,
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Speaker 4: and apparently did he said to him, well, I'm going
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Speaker 4: to keep this or I'm going to hold this just in.
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Speaker 3: Case I need to.
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Speaker 4: We also heard David James testify about an incident that he.
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Speaker 3: Had with the chef.
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Speaker 4: Chef that we're supposed to hear from, but David James
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Speaker 4: said that did he, you know, reprimanded him because David
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Speaker 4: James had an altercation with the chef and did he
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Speaker 4: said something to him like listen, if you touch a
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Speaker 4: woman again, you're getting fired.
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Speaker 2: But wait a minute, I've got another question about David James.
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Speaker 2: David James, the assistant described a horrible, horrible toxic workplace.
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Speaker 1: Explain.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so the way that David James describes leaving a
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Speaker 4: bad boy or being Ditty's personal assistant was after the
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Speaker 4: Shug Night Mel Diner incident, which I did not realize
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Speaker 4: that he was there for this.
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Speaker 3: He testified that he and a bodyguard, d Rock, they were.
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Speaker 4: Instructed to go pick up cheeseburgers and they go pick
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Speaker 4: him up at Melt Diner. D Rock has an exchange
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Speaker 4: with Shug. He sees Shug and then d Rock sees
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Speaker 4: Shug pull out a gun and hand it to someone
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Speaker 4: else and they go back to Ditty's house. Did he
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Speaker 4: instructs David James to get in the car.
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Speaker 3: He says that did.
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Speaker 4: He had three guns across his lap and there's three
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Speaker 4: people in the car.
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Speaker 3: So he's putting things together in his head.
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Speaker 4: And essentially Shoog had already left the premises, so nothing happened.
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Speaker 4: But David James said after that he was done. He
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Speaker 4: said he went to HR he put in his notice
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Speaker 4: and they actually offered him another position at Sean John
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Speaker 4: or one of other Didy's other companies, and he said, no, thanks,
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Speaker 4: I'm done.
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Speaker 3: And you know, he went into a lot of this.
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Speaker 4: About how he was forced to work twenty four hours
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Speaker 4: at a time.
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Speaker 3: He even described one assistant having to go.
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Speaker 4: To the hospital after being overworked because she was so dehydrated.
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Speaker 3: So there is a lot of talk about this.
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Speaker 4: But I have to also note that he did acknowledge
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Speaker 4: that Diddy was a successful businessman, and when he was
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Speaker 4: leaving the courtroom he kind of gave him a head nod.
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Speaker 2: Wow, so you're telling me Davy James acknowledge Combs or
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Speaker 2: Combs nodded to James or both know.
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Speaker 3: James nodded to him.
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Speaker 4: I mean, did he like I said when he was
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Speaker 4: talking about diddy bopping? And there was another incident where
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Speaker 4: he brought up, did he wanting time's ketchup when they
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Speaker 4: went to London because the ketchup is different in London?
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Speaker 4: And did he got a kick out of that? They
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Speaker 4: really seemed to share these moments. There was another point
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Speaker 4: when David James kind of made a comment or Mark
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Speaker 4: Agnifolo said, Oh, part of your job was to get
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Speaker 4: Ditty to his appointments on time and have him be
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Speaker 4: you know, arriving in a timely fashion, and David James
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Speaker 4: said something like he wasn't always timely and did he
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Speaker 4: just laughed it up at a grand ole time over there?
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Speaker 2: Wait, are you telling me that Seawn Holmes was in
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Speaker 2: London and through a fit because he didn't have the
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Speaker 2: right kind of ketchup?
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Speaker 1: The ketchup in London wasn't right?
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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean essentially part of his job advancing
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Speaker 4: these locations included making Ditty as comfortable as possible, which
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Speaker 4: was getting him the ketchup he.
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Speaker 2: Wanted, okay, moving on from a Davy James and I'll
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Speaker 2: revisit him in a moment.
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Speaker 1: What else happened on the stand? Who else did we say? Today?
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Speaker 4: So we saw Cassie's mom, Regina Ventora, and it was
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Speaker 4: very brief Nancy.
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Speaker 3: Regina described.
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Speaker 4: The incident where Cassie sent her an email and she
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Speaker 4: cesed Capricorn Clark, which was one of Ditty's previous assistants,
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Speaker 4: and this email described threats that Cassie was getting from
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Speaker 4: Seawan Colmes and how Sean Polms was going to release
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Speaker 4: these sex tapes of her and how he was going
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Speaker 4: to hurt she and Kid Cutty. And Regina described that
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Speaker 4: she was terrified and she had no idea about these
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Speaker 4: sex tapes and she was like just very shocked, very terrified.
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Speaker 4: And then apparently bad Boy or Sean Plmes made this
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Speaker 4: demand of twenty thousand dollars to the Venturas, who you know,
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Speaker 4: she kind of made it clear we didn't have that
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Speaker 4: kind of money. She said they had to re mortgage
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Speaker 4: their house or something along those lines to get them
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Speaker 4: this money, and she went to the links to wire
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Speaker 4: it to bad Boy records. They sent her an email
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Speaker 4: with the wire instructions and then about thirty to forty
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Speaker 4: five days later it was returned to her. And we
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Speaker 4: also saw her confirm the pictures that she took of
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Speaker 4: Cassie that had been actually circulating because now they've been
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Speaker 4: released to the public. She confirmed she took those pictures
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Speaker 4: on a polaroid to document Cassie's breathing and it was
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Speaker 4: twenty eleven that she documented this, and she said that
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Speaker 4: was the first that she heard of this abuse. And
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Speaker 4: she also described an incident in twenty sixteen in la
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Speaker 4: when Sean Colmes stole Cassie's phone and she called the
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Speaker 4: police over this. This happened on around Cassie's thirtieth birthday,
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Speaker 4: and she actually described having an altercation with Holmes or
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Speaker 4: Diddy in front of Cassie's building, and she said she
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Speaker 4: lunged at him and she tried to hit him to
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Speaker 4: get the phone back. He eventually gave the phone back,
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Speaker 4: but said that he then took off in Cassie's Jaguar.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm sorry, something got law to the sauce who
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Speaker 2: made the Laune at who.
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Speaker 4: Cassie's mom said that she lunged at Colmes trying to
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Speaker 4: get this phone trying to hit him.
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Speaker 3: I mean, she was very upset the way she describes.
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Speaker 4: And Cassie, by the way, was not present for this,
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Speaker 4: She was upstairs in her apartment.
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Speaker 2: So how originally, Lauren Colin, how did Cassie Venture's mother
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Speaker 2: discover that there was a sex video of her daughter?
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Speaker 4: Well, it was Cassie's email on the BlackBerry where she said,
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Speaker 4: you know, he's threatening to release these sex tapes, and
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Speaker 4: her mom said she was very confused by this, but
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Speaker 4: she was also very worried for her daughter as well
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Speaker 4: as the physical threats as well.
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Speaker 3: So you know, she kind of said, we had no choice.
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Speaker 4: We wanted to protect our daughters, so we sent this
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Speaker 4: money that we didn't really have.
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Speaker 3: And those are my words paraphrasing.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, Well, isn't it true, Lauren Collin, that Cassie's
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Speaker 2: mom had to mortgage their home to come up with
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Speaker 2: twenty thousand dollars.
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Speaker 1: To keep the sex tape from going online.
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Speaker 4: Yes, And there is a big discussion this morning before
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Speaker 4: the jury came in about whether or not this was relevant,
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Speaker 4: and clearly it was.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Lauren Colin, I'm trying to get my head wrapped
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Speaker 2: around this, So Seawn Combs is going to extort twenty
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars from Cassie Ventura, his girlfriend's.
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Speaker 1: Mother, to keep Cassie's sex.
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Speaker 2: Tape from going viral, just out of saying it really
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Speaker 2: slowly to make sure I understand what you're saying.
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Speaker 1: Is that right?
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Speaker 3: That's what it sounded like to all of us sitting there.
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's what it came across. Asin.
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Speaker 2: Let me throw something at you really quickly. The other
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Speaker 2: day you stated, and a lot of people agreed with you,
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Speaker 2: that we're hearing a lot of bad stuff about Shawn Combs.
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Speaker 2: He's a vile person, blah blah blah.
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Speaker 1: But has the Kate say proven its case? Well, doesn't
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Speaker 1: this sound like extortion to you?
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Speaker 3: It does?
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Speaker 4: And little by little, Nancy, I do feel like we
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Speaker 4: are seeing more evidence tying some of the indictment charges
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Speaker 4: to what we're hearing.
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Speaker 3: So, yeah, you're absolutely right, Lauren.
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Speaker 2: What was the reaction the vibe between Cassie's mother and
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Speaker 2: Sean Combs? Did she just look daggers at him when
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Speaker 2: she walked in that courtroom?
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Speaker 3: She looked straight ahead.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I was right on the end, and yeah,
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Speaker 4: she just walked straight into her seat. You know she
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Speaker 4: sat there and before you know, I mentioned that, did
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Speaker 4: he seem to be very relaxed with David James kind
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Speaker 4: of laughing. He was just sitting right in his chair.
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Speaker 4: I didn't really see him move at all. Very stoic
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Speaker 4: and like I said, she Regina was Ventura was very
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Speaker 4: brief and no cross examination by Mark Agnifola, which I
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Speaker 4: thought was a good strategy.
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Speaker 2: Well, he probably didn't want to ask a question and
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Speaker 2: then get a bombshell answer from the victims.
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Speaker 1: Mother. Are you kidding me?
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Speaker 2: I'm surprised you didn't reach straight off that witness stand
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Speaker 2: and strangle Sean Combs right there in front of the jury.
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Speaker 1: Lauren Collin joining us from the courthouse, I can circle
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Speaker 1: back to her just for a moment.
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Speaker 2: Let's bring in the panel joining us, an all star
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Speaker 2: panel to make sense of what we know right now.
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Speaker 2: So much evidence pouring from the witness stand throughout the
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Speaker 2: day in the Manhattan courtroom, straight out to city Sumner.
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Speaker 1: But first, speaking of the assistant.
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Speaker 5: Listen to this, The government calls David James, Combs's former
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Speaker 5: personal assistant, to the stand. James says he started working
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Speaker 5: for Combs in the hopes of breaking into the fashion industry.
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Speaker 5: James ree calls an interviewer in HR, telling him this
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Speaker 5: is mister Combs's kingdom and we're all here to serve
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Speaker 5: in it. James mentions that Combs had a highly unusual
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Speaker 5: rider for green rooms, music venues, and hotel rooms, and
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Speaker 5: that staff constantly reminded him to stay in his lane
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Speaker 5: if he asked too many questions.
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Speaker 2: I wonder if that includes the not that Seawan Colmes
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Speaker 2: was checked into that Intercontinental hotel and the Cassie Ventura
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Speaker 2: beat down video occurred. Sidney Summer joining me Crime Stories
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Speaker 2: investigative reporter Sydney following up on what Lauren Conlin is reporting.
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Speaker 2: Tell me about David James's statement, who basically worked in
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Speaker 2: Fear just a godly hours, starting at four in the
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Speaker 2: morning and going till eleven o'clock at night.
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Speaker 1: Where did this statement come from?
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Speaker 2: This is mister Combs's kingdom and we're all here to
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Speaker 2: serve in it.
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Speaker 6: What So, David James testified that that was actually in
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Speaker 6: his interview. So he had a meeting with someone from
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Speaker 6: HR a bad boy, and she turned around, pointed to
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Speaker 6: a photo of Seawn Holmes and said, this is Diddy's
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Speaker 6: kingdom and we are here to serve him, to serve
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Speaker 6: this kingdom. And yeah, you're completely right. He worked crazy hours.
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Speaker 6: He testified that he worked from eighty a m. Till
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Speaker 6: four a m. And then had to turn around and
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Speaker 6: put out a call sheet for the rest of Comb's
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Speaker 6: staff for the next day. So these were insane hours.
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Speaker 6: He talks about another assistant actually being put in the
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Speaker 6: hospital for dehydration. And Comb's just had ridiculous requests. I mean,
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Speaker 6: in that writer that David James mentioned he needed things
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Speaker 6: like apple sauce and ketch up jello Fiji water, but
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Speaker 6: he also wanted an arsenal of skincare products always available
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Speaker 6: to him, forty less skincare products. And that's not even
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Speaker 6: considering the Louis Vauton bag, his medicine bag that had
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Speaker 6: up to thirty different prescriptions in it, and that apparently
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Speaker 6: included things like normal things advil, tylanol all the way
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Speaker 6: up to percocet, ecstasy, viagra, weight loss pills, sperm count pills.
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Speaker 6: It was just I mean, he carried a pharmacy with him.
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Speaker 1: Did you just say sperm count pills?
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Speaker 6: I did, Nancy, And I don't really know exactly what
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Speaker 6: that means or how it affects a man, but apparently
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Speaker 6: they were in there.
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Speaker 2: In addition to Sidney Summer joining US investigative reporter Crime Stories,
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Speaker 2: the former PR guru for Sean Combs, Rob Shooter, is
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Speaker 2: with US, star of Naughty but Nice podcast.
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Speaker 1: And author of a book, The Four Word Answers.
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Speaker 2: So, Rob Shooter, was that part of your duties too
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Speaker 2: to stuff Daddy's Louis Vuitton with Viagra, forty different skincare.
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Speaker 1: Products and sperm count PILs.
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Speaker 7: It's shocking. When I worked with Diddy, he had a writer,
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Speaker 7: like my most celebrities, with things that he wanted, everything
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Speaker 7: from vitamin water to orange juice to apples. This is
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Speaker 7: what's so interesting about this to me. The NASI is
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Speaker 7: that most celebrities, when they visit a talk show, aig
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Speaker 7: a big appearance, you send the rider to their producers.
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Speaker 7: So I would send did his rider out all the time. However,
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Speaker 7: what did he had was a separate rider that he
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Speaker 7: gave to his personal assistance so that the people at
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Speaker 7: the show wouldn't know all these extra things that he demanded.
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Speaker 7: So I'm shocked to know here that his personal assistant
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Speaker 7: got a separate rider now that we know what's in
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Speaker 7: that rider, it makes total sense. But I've never heard
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Speaker 7: of another celebrity having two two writers.
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Speaker 2: So one writer goes to the host, so Jimmy Fallons,
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Speaker 2: let's pretend staff, and then the other writer is a
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Speaker 2: secret rider.
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Speaker 7: Yeah. Absolutely, that's what I found out today. I had
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Speaker 7: no idea there was a second rider. I would send
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Speaker 7: out Puffy's rider all the time to Ellen, to Jimmy
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Speaker 7: Fallon to all the shows that he would.
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Speaker 1: Appear right me on there like that shooter.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, the kind of normal things that they want in
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Speaker 7: the dressing room. So they want to know what sort
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Speaker 7: of water you want, you want coffee, do you want tea?
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Speaker 7: Do you want orange juice. It's just really kind of
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Speaker 7: simple things to make the experience a little bit nicer.
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Speaker 7: And they asked for this for every single celebrity, not
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Speaker 7: just big stars, but people on TV shows, comedians. So
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Speaker 7: they send in their rider. Pretty normal. The dressing rooms lovely.
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Speaker 7: You walk in, there's a coffee table, there's a couch,
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Speaker 7: and there's a little bar full of coffee and tea
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Speaker 7: or maybe if you want something stronger, that's there. Pretty normal.
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Speaker 7: What's different with Dido? We found out today. There was
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Speaker 7: a second ride that only his assistant had, and we
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Speaker 7: now know why because what was in that rider is
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Speaker 7: something Puffy would not want television show hosts or staff
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Speaker 7: or producer to know about.
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Speaker 2: Okay, hold on, so you Rob Shooter never had two
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Speaker 2: stuff Diddy's leave Aton bag with sperm count peels and Viagra,
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Speaker 2: Fiji water and forty different skin care potions, didn't.
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Speaker 7: I worked with Diddy and there were certainly odd requests.
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Speaker 7: There were stuff that he wanted, iron.
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Speaker 1: Like, what what odd request?
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Speaker 7: It was particular about the temperature of the room, and
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Speaker 7: I think this is a power play. But he would
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Speaker 7: often travel with a thermometer where he would take the temperature.
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Speaker 2: So I've got Sean Combs whining that the catch up
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Speaker 2: in London.
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Speaker 1: It's different, it's different.
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Speaker 2: And now you're telling me that he travels with a thermometer.
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Speaker 7: You heard me right, Lindsay, you heard me right. Very odd,
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Speaker 7: very strange. But it wasn't a sinister as some of
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Speaker 7: the things that will now find out he had on
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Speaker 7: this private rider. The only only He's inner Cirtle sore.
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Speaker 7: Only his assistant.
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Speaker 1: Back to Sydney Son rejoining us.
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Speaker 2: In addition to Rob Sheeter, Sidney, I just want to
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Speaker 2: make sure I understand this.
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Speaker 1: Now, you've got.
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Speaker 2: Cassie Ventura's mother on the stand under oath and fear
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Speaker 2: of perjury, which is a felony state that Sean Comes
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Speaker 2: demanded twenty thousand dollars from her in exchange to not
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Speaker 2: releasing her beloved daughter Cassie's sex.
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Speaker 1: Tape online for it to go viral, and the mom
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Speaker 1: and dad have to go take out a home equity love.
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Speaker 2: Then I have twenty thousand dollars laid around to try
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Speaker 2: to save their daughter.
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Speaker 1: Do I have that right, Sidney Sumner.
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Speaker 6: Nancy, Yeah, that's what we've heard on the stand today.
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Speaker 6: And Regina Ventura's testimony was very very quick. She wasn't
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Speaker 6: even cross examined, so that the defense just let her
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Speaker 6: testimony stand unchallenged. And I understand that these were two
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Speaker 6: separate emails. So Cassie reached out to her mom to say,
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Speaker 6: I'm agree that he's going to release two explicit sex
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Speaker 6: tapes of me, and I don't know what to do,
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Speaker 6: So she reached out to her mom to she felt
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Speaker 6: that this threat was very very real, and then Regina
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Speaker 6: Ventura received another communication from Calm separately that was demanding
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Speaker 6: he be reimbursed for how much money he invested in
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Speaker 6: Caffie because she was now off with some other man
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Speaker 6: and that man was alleged as kid cutting. So he
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Speaker 6: reached out to her demands that she pay him twenty
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Speaker 6: thousand dollars. And judging from what Cassie told her in
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Speaker 6: that email, she was very afraid that her daughter was
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Speaker 6: going to get hurt. So yes, they run out to
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Speaker 6: a bank, they put out a loan on their home
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Speaker 6: to get this twenty thousand dollars. They wire it to
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Speaker 6: a bad boy account and a few days later, with
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Speaker 6: no explanation, they get all of the money back.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stores With Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: We are live at the Federal Court in Manhattan with
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Speaker 2: the latest in the trial of Sean Comb's aka Ditty.
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Speaker 2: Straight back out to Sydney Sumner. Now when we are
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Speaker 2: reviewing what Cassie Ventura's mother said on the stand, and
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Speaker 2: I want to show you right now photos that Cassie's mother,
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Speaker 2: Regina Ventura, took off her daughter. There's the fat lip photo.
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Speaker 1: Keep going. I want to see all the.
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Speaker 2: Photos that the jury see that little mark at the
20:30
Speaker 2: bottom States exhibit. You're seeing what the jury seeing. That
20:36
Speaker 2: is the cut to the head where Cassie had to
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Speaker 2: go and say, ooh, see a plastic surgeon and get
20:45
Speaker 2: it sewn up. There's a bruise to the head, bruising
20:51
Speaker 2: to the leg. All of these photos came in corroborated
20:56
Speaker 2: by Regina Ventura. More bruises on her back and oops.
21:01
Speaker 2: Cassie Ventura was flying home for Christmas. She sent her
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Speaker 2: mom an email that Regina Ventura, the mom said, made
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Speaker 2: her physically sick.
21:14
Speaker 1: The threats that have been made.
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Speaker 2: To me by Sean Puffy Combs or that he is
21:18
Speaker 2: going to release two explicit tapes of me, said the email.
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Speaker 2: He also said he will be having someone hurt me
21:28
Speaker 2: as Scott MUSCUTI physically. That's kid cutting. I was physically sick,
21:33
Speaker 2: testifies mom Regina Ventura. I did not understand a lot
21:38
Speaker 2: of it.
21:38
Speaker 1: The sex tapes through me.
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Speaker 2: This is verbatim what she just said on the stand.
21:43
Speaker 2: She testified. Shawn Comes demanded twenty thousand dollars to quote
21:47
Speaker 2: recoup money he had spent on Cassie. She and her
21:52
Speaker 2: husband take out a home equity loan. She says, under oath, verbatim,
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Speaker 2: we decided that's the only way we could get the money.
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Speaker 2: I was scared for my daughter's safety.
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Speaker 1: Regina Ventura used.
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Speaker 2: A Kodak digital cam to take photos of Cassie's bruised
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Speaker 2: back arm leg quote. She was bruised and I wanted
22:15
Speaker 2: to memorialize it.
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Speaker 1: To Sidney Sumner, the jury.
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Speaker 2: Has just seen the photos that mom Regina Ventura took
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Speaker 2: off Cassie.
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Speaker 1: Is that correct?
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Speaker 6: Absolutely, Nancy. They are seeing those photos of Cassie over
22:32
Speaker 6: Christmas break twenty eleven at her parents' Connecticut home, covered
22:37
Speaker 6: and bruises after an assault from Sean Diddy.
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Speaker 2: Colms straight out to a special guest joining us, Brett Brown,
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Speaker 2: director of SATH Surviving Assault Standing Strong, a nonprofit dedicated
22:53
Speaker 2: to ending sex attacks and sex trafficking.
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Speaker 1: Of women and girls.
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Speaker 2: You know what, I know why the defense did not
23:01
Speaker 2: cross examine the mom, Regina Ventura.
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Speaker 1: And isn't it true, Brett.
23:06
Speaker 2: Brown, that when the ladies that you minister too, that
23:11
Speaker 2: you help take care of, when all else fails, they
23:16
Speaker 2: call their mom. I've had so many murder victims the
23:21
Speaker 2: last thing they said on this earth is mom, mother, Mama.
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Speaker 1: That's the last thing they say.
23:32
Speaker 2: And here we see Cassie Ventura in such a state
23:36
Speaker 2: that she emails her mom that Combs is going to
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Speaker 2: release sex tapes of her that will go viral. I
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Speaker 2: mean she must have been in the depths of despair, Brett.
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Speaker 1: It is desperation.
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Speaker 8: In moments of desperation, we go back to the person
23:54
Speaker 8: or people that we know will believe us, will love
23:57
Speaker 8: us no matter what's being said about us or what's
24:00
Speaker 8: been done to us, the people who will accept us
24:02
Speaker 8: as is and possibly help. And that's where she went.
24:06
Speaker 8: She went to the place where she was felt the
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Speaker 8: safest and could let her guard down and say what happened.
24:13
Speaker 8: You know, when you look at this whole situation, I
24:15
Speaker 8: know why they didn't cross examine Regina Ventura because Combs
24:19
Speaker 8: is a predator who collects possessions. That's what he does,
24:22
Speaker 8: whether we're talking about Cassie or David James, and it
24:25
Speaker 8: even extended to some of her friends that he had
24:27
Speaker 8: to pay off. But the thing is, when you start
24:31
Speaker 8: growing your ownership in terms of individuals, then eventually you
24:35
Speaker 8: get worried that something's going to get lost or that
24:38
Speaker 8: one of these people you own will make noise. And
24:41
Speaker 8: so the threat there was to isolate Cassie from her mom,
24:46
Speaker 8: potentially to say we're going to release this, and what
24:48
Speaker 8: mom wouldn't pay money? So I think it was a
24:51
Speaker 8: litmus test to see how desperate her mother would be
24:55
Speaker 8: to protect Cassie, because when we are desperate, we'll do
24:58
Speaker 8: all kinds of things. And then too, I think he
25:01
Speaker 8: took the money back without explanation, because if she had
25:04
Speaker 8: paid him to not release those videos, her mother wouldn't
25:08
Speaker 8: be on the hook either. So this was another move, you.
25:11
Speaker 2: Know, moorese let me follow up on what Brett Brown
25:13
Speaker 2: just said. Whether he took the money or didn't take
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Speaker 2: the money, the extortion is complete under the law. The
25:21
Speaker 2: extortion claim has been made out because the mother sent
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Speaker 2: the money.
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Speaker 1: Whether he doesn't matter. Then she sent the money.
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Speaker 9: Extortion for what. This is a sex trafficking trial, Nancy.
25:37
Speaker 9: You just said the words read the indictment that I
25:42
Speaker 9: did last night, and the only evidence is paragraph for
25:45
Speaker 9: which everybody keeps jumping on. No, that's not extortion under
25:48
Speaker 9: these charges. You said the thing that's never been said
25:51
Speaker 9: by a sex trafficking.
25:54
Speaker 1: In case riddle. He said, that's Christmas.
25:58
Speaker 9: He flew home at Christmas. Can you tell me a
26:02
Speaker 9: sex trafficking case where the victim flew home at Christmas
26:05
Speaker 9: fourteen years yes, trial and please crow? Okay, okay, So
26:09
Speaker 9: this case is built on gossip, anger, and exaggeration. I
26:13
Speaker 9: thought last week was the.
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Speaker 1: Testimony beating photos. Yes, domestics. You think this is again?
26:23
Speaker 1: I made that all up.
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Speaker 9: This is domestic This is domestic violence, not sex trafficking.
26:28
Speaker 9: You're you're criminalizing partying in this.
26:30
Speaker 1: Case is trafficking. The endment also says sex trafficking. You
26:35
Speaker 1: said this is.
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Speaker 9: Yes, says it, Nancy, it says it.
26:38
Speaker 1: Come on you.
26:40
Speaker 2: Telling me you've never had a sex trafficking case where
26:44
Speaker 2: the women were not beaten into submission in order to
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Speaker 2: perform sexually.
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Speaker 1: No, the women. You need to go ba to law
26:51
Speaker 1: school man.
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Speaker 6: Oh no, I don't.
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Speaker 9: Women don't get to fly home to their family and
26:55
Speaker 9: spend Christmas and then go back with the perpetrator. That
26:58
Speaker 9: doesn't generally happen in sex trafficking. And you can tell
27:01
Speaker 9: me where people were convicted that that happened. Tell me
27:04
Speaker 9: where people are flying on private jets and claiming to
27:06
Speaker 9: be sex trafficked. I pointed it out last week, and
27:09
Speaker 9: I'll point it out again. When I did the story
27:12
Speaker 9: that you did of the young lady found in the
27:14
Speaker 9: closet of a sex offender naked. That's more in line
27:17
Speaker 9: with sexual based defenses. This is a horrible thing that
27:21
Speaker 9: happened to this lady. But these people that are testifying
27:24
Speaker 9: are angry, they're exaggerating. Listen to Don Richards's testimony, they're
27:28
Speaker 9: making it up. Cassie already said Ditty's an opioid addict.
27:32
Speaker 9: She was also, what does Don Richards say? I saw
27:35
Speaker 9: a dude, saw Diddy do every drug but opioids. Give
27:39
Speaker 9: me a break here.
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Speaker 2: We have just received an urgent missive from the office
27:44
Speaker 2: of veteran defense attorney.
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Speaker 1: Mark Gerrigoes, no doubt about it. He's a great lawyer.
27:48
Speaker 2: His daughter, Tinny Garrigos, is one of the lead defense
27:52
Speaker 2: attorneys for Sean Combs.
27:53
Speaker 1: And they want us to clarify.
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Speaker 2: A statement said yesterday that people were paying aid to
28:00
Speaker 2: wear free puffy T shirts twenty dollars an hour. Wait,
28:06
Speaker 2: they're saying it's fault that comes as public relations. People
28:11
Speaker 2: paid anyone to wear the T shirts?
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Speaker 1: Well, who is paying them? Listen, why do you why
28:19
Speaker 1: do you why do you feel that way?
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Speaker 3: So if these are all paid protesters. You can get
28:23
Speaker 3: twenty dollars an hour if you wear a T shirt.
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Speaker 10: She just got recruited, right if you said no, it
28:31
Speaker 10: wasn't worth twenty.
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Speaker 3: No, but like he told me that it's for a
28:34
Speaker 3: bitty hooid.
28:35
Speaker 1: So oh, I'm not really sure what that is.
28:40
Speaker 3: Yeah, they just tried to get twenty dollars to wear
28:43
Speaker 3: a free funcky shirt.
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Speaker 1: Stop.
28:45
Speaker 3: I knew I could tell because the later right this,
28:47
Speaker 3: she just kept convincing me to wear to go wear
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Speaker 3: a shirt, and I'm like.
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Speaker 11: I'm gonna be that's so, that's so just twenty dollars.
28:53
Speaker 9: And if you guys wear you need twenty dollars, all
28:56
Speaker 9: you have to do is wear a free Pumps shirt.
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Speaker 3: And you said, yeah, so did they see how many hours?
29:05
Speaker 3: And she told me that I'd be like sixteen hours
29:07
Speaker 3: yesterday towards standing.
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Speaker 9: Up on her.
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Yeah, so Rob Shooter PR Guru.
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Speaker 2: They're concerned that it's been stated that comes as PR
29:19
Speaker 2: team paid people to wear the T shirt.
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Speaker 1: I would think that the missive would say he didn't
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Speaker 1: do this, He's not guilty. Why are you saying this?
29:29
Speaker 1: But instead it's like it's completely false.
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Speaker 2: Mister Comes public relations people paid anyone to wear those
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Speaker 2: T shirts.
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Speaker 1: Do you see the problem there, Shooter.
29:39
Speaker 7: Yeah, Yeah, it's a it's a really really complicated, silly
29:43
Speaker 7: thing for them to do here. It tells us that
29:45
Speaker 7: of all the stuff we've heard, all the horror stories,
29:49
Speaker 7: all the testimony, all the facts, this is what they
29:54
Speaker 7: want to focus on. Whether or not a PR team
29:59
Speaker 7: paid some body to wear a T shirt, which is
30:02
Speaker 7: not that unusual in the music business, maybe in the
30:05
Speaker 7: criminal justice system, but this is their priority. And I
30:08
Speaker 7: have to ask, why, why is this of all the
30:11
Speaker 7: things we've heard, why is this the most.
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Speaker 1: Important crime stories?
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Speaker 2: With Nancy Grace, I think we heard yesterday straight out
30:29
Speaker 2: to Scott Johnson, forensic psychologist thirty two years specializing in
30:34
Speaker 2: addressing sex predators, author of Physical Abusers and Sex Offenders
30:41
Speaker 2: Forensic Considerations. Scott question, I would think that denying the
30:48
Speaker 2: claims of sex trafficking would be paramount. Instead, it's about
30:53
Speaker 2: a midst of about a T shirt. But another thing
30:56
Speaker 2: we learned is that Sean Combs would set throngs of
31:01
Speaker 2: people at his public appearances and apparently is unhappy the
31:06
Speaker 2: lack of attendees and supporters outside the courthouse I think
31:11
Speaker 2: he was expecting something along the lines of a Johnny
31:14
Speaker 2: Depp crowd or possibly Luigimigioni crowd of worshippers from our
31:21
Speaker 2: friends at Fox five NDC and Whas eleven. What does
31:26
Speaker 2: that tell you as a forensics psychologist.
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Speaker 12: Well, he is very much appearing like a sexual, sadist
31:34
Speaker 12: and violent man, obviously, but he's a narcissist and he
31:39
Speaker 12: needs the distraction, He needs the little things, the other
31:43
Speaker 12: people to come and say, oh, he wouldn't do this,
31:45
Speaker 12: we love him. Well, that's fine. You can love a rapist,
31:48
Speaker 12: you can love someone who extorts, even if they're famous.
31:52
Speaker 12: But in his mindset, he's a narcissistic number one. I'm
31:57
Speaker 12: the most important person, as you've already referenced, I am
32:00
Speaker 12: God if you will, and that makes him even more
32:03
Speaker 12: dangerous because he just doesn't care.
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Speaker 2: We are also learning a lot about the quote other
32:10
Speaker 2: woman defense that is emerging, and it's all about a
32:14
Speaker 2: woman named Gina. But for a Sydney Sumner, I have
32:18
Speaker 2: to ask about Sean colmbs. One of the favorite pills
32:22
Speaker 2: he would carry in his Louis Vuitton stuff with Viagra
32:25
Speaker 2: and horse traink and plan Be birth control pills.
32:29
Speaker 1: Is Obama ecstasy?
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Speaker 2: And I in no way am suggesting either former President
32:37
Speaker 2: Obama or his beautiful wife Michelle used ecstasy.
32:41
Speaker 1: What is Obama ecstasy?
32:44
Speaker 6: So David James testified that there were various pills, but
32:50
Speaker 6: one was in the form of a former president's face.
32:54
Speaker 6: The prosecutor had to ask him which former president and
32:58
Speaker 6: he responded Obama. So James claims that Colin was carried
33:04
Speaker 6: around ecstasy pills in the shape of Obama's face. Why
33:10
Speaker 6: I could not tell you?
33:12
Speaker 2: Okay, shooter, I'm calling in the expert a Louis Vuitton bag.
33:18
Speaker 1: I can't get away from this stuff.
33:19
Speaker 2: With Plan B, birth control, horse train, ecstasy, cocaine, viagra,
33:25
Speaker 2: needed a lot of viagra, sperm count pills and Obama ecstasy.
33:31
Speaker 7: What When I heard that, my head exploded and I
33:36
Speaker 7: thought about it. And having worked with perf I know
33:40
Speaker 7: that he even though he's a big star, he also
33:44
Speaker 7: is a big fan. There's people that get on his
33:47
Speaker 7: radar that he becomes obsessed with. When I was working
33:49
Speaker 7: with him, it was Prince Harry and Prince William. After
33:52
Speaker 7: I left, his sounds like he moved on to President Obama.
33:56
Speaker 7: But he has these obsessions with people. People he he
34:00
Speaker 7: wants to be like people, He respects, people he fears,
34:03
Speaker 7: and so I'm not surprised here that he didn't outgrow this.
34:08
Speaker 7: His crush, his man crush changed from the princess to
34:11
Speaker 7: a president, but nevertheless he has people that he gets
34:15
Speaker 7: very very obsessed with.
34:16
Speaker 2: Personal assistant that describes breaking down in tears working for
34:21
Speaker 2: Shawn Combs to an angry mother, the mother of alleged
34:26
Speaker 2: victim Cassie Ventira.
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Speaker 1: This day has been explosive in a.
34:31
Speaker 2: Federal courthouse in Manhattan where Sean Combs being tried on
34:34
Speaker 2: a multi count federal indictment including extortion and sex trafficking.
34:40
Speaker 2: We also heard proof of what was gossiped about rumored
34:48
Speaker 2: months ago, a forced medical procedure on a female victim.
34:55
Speaker 10: Listen the Gina, both Cassie and best friend Carrie Morgan
34:59
Speaker 10: referre too is fashion and travel blogger Virginia, who in
35:03
Speaker 10: Gina says her relationship with Diddy began on Valentine's Day
35:07
Speaker 10: twenty fourteen after a chance meeting in Miami, and she
35:11
Speaker 10: continued to see Combs for about five years, deeply in
35:14
Speaker 10: love with him, despite his continued relationship with Cassie after
35:18
Speaker 10: their breakup. In twenty nineteen, Gina gave an emotional interview
35:21
Speaker 10: detailing physical abuse from Combs in two instances where he
35:25
Speaker 10: pressured her into getting an abortion.
35:28
Speaker 11: He was like, you're gonna get an abortion, right, and
35:30
Speaker 11: then I was like, I don't know. Uh, I don't
35:36
Speaker 11: know yet, and then he offered me fifty thousand to
35:41
Speaker 11: get rid.
35:41
Speaker 2: Of it from our friends at online, with Tasha Kay
35:46
Speaker 2: joining me. Veteran detective Chris McDonough. He is the director
35:51
Speaker 2: of the Cole Case Foundation, former homicide detective, former vice detective,
35:55
Speaker 2: and you can see him now as the star of
35:58
Speaker 2: the Interview Room on YouTube. Chris, thank you for being
36:02
Speaker 2: with us.
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Speaker 1: You know, so very.
36:05
Speaker 2: Often when you start a felony investigation, like you may
36:10
Speaker 2: start a homicide investigation, right, but then it's a many
36:15
Speaker 2: headed hydra. You start and you slay the first head,
36:21
Speaker 2: and then suddenly another head, for instance, extortion, and then
36:28
Speaker 2: another head of the beast forcing someone to get an abortion,
36:31
Speaker 2: and then another and another and another and another. Are
36:36
Speaker 2: you surprised that one person is allegedly responsible for so
36:43
Speaker 2: many evil and despicable acts?
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Speaker 13: Not at all, Nancy. I mean, we're looking at a
36:50
Speaker 13: situation where this is a one man recocase, and of
36:54
Speaker 13: course it always comes back to that power domination and
36:58
Speaker 13: control over any in his environment. And if we look
37:03
Speaker 13: at this writer concept right that they should just actually
37:06
Speaker 13: call it a riser concept because everything in that bag
37:11
Speaker 13: pointed towards his power control over any sexual activity around him,
37:17
Speaker 13: and so it's total emotional manipulation to everybody that comes
37:21
Speaker 13: into a circle.
37:22
Speaker 2: We also learn part of the psychopathy behind what Shawn
37:28
Speaker 2: Combs allegedly would do. Now this is critical to the
37:33
Speaker 2: trial strategy. And even though Greg Morris and I are
37:36
Speaker 2: sporing partners, I think he's going to agree with this.
37:40
Speaker 1: That hotel beat.
37:42
Speaker 2: Down video from the Intercontinental is a single most powerful
37:45
Speaker 2: evidence so far. It corroborates everything Cassi Ventior with saying,
37:48
Speaker 2: so somehow this has to be defeated. Mark Garrigos told
37:55
Speaker 2: me point blank that in this video Cassie is actually
37:59
Speaker 2: the progress her and she wasn't leaving a freak off,
38:02
Speaker 2: She wasn't trying to get away from a freak off.
38:05
Speaker 1: She was angry.
38:06
Speaker 2: Because Combs had gotten a text from another woman. Is
38:11
Speaker 2: that quote other.
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Speaker 1: Woman, Gina?
38:16
Speaker 2: I want you to hear part of Sean Combe's psychopathy.
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Speaker 11: Listen, he would always compare me to Cassie and tell
38:24
Speaker 11: me that I'm the bad one and she's a good one.
38:29
Speaker 1: And he was with both of you guys at the
38:30
Speaker 1: same time. Yeah, that's where my friends at unwine with Tasha.
38:33
Speaker 2: Kay, did you hear the trial strategy there, Greg Morris
38:38
Speaker 2: pitying Gina the so called other woman, against Cassie Ventura.
38:46
Speaker 2: And this is what I think they're doing. And just
38:49
Speaker 2: don't argue with me. Just tell me if you think
38:52
Speaker 2: this makes sense. They got to defeat that Intercontinental Hotel
38:56
Speaker 2: beat down of Cassie. They've got to for any hope
38:59
Speaker 2: of women, Okay, And the way they are trying to
39:03
Speaker 2: do it, I think is they're going to claim that
39:06
Speaker 2: cass Evan Tira started the whole thing because she was
39:10
Speaker 2: angry about a text and she was jealous about Gina,
39:14
Speaker 2: and therefore what you think you're seeing is not what
39:18
Speaker 2: you're seeing. They're going to try to defeat that video.
39:22
Speaker 2: That's what this is all about.
39:24
Speaker 9: If that's their defense and how they're going to deal
39:25
Speaker 9: with that, it's not to me the right way to
39:28
Speaker 9: deal with it.
39:29
Speaker 1: It's simply which they've.
39:30
Speaker 9: Talked about a little bit and opening that video. You're right,
39:33
Speaker 9: I definitely agree with you. Is the strongest piece of
39:36
Speaker 9: you know, very visceral evidence that the jury's seeing real
39:41
Speaker 9: conduct and vicious conduct by Sean Combs. This is just
39:44
Speaker 9: a simple thing of this is their evidence. This is
39:47
Speaker 9: a domestic battery. This should be in state court. This
39:51
Speaker 9: video isolated, doesn't support all the other testimony you heard
39:56
Speaker 9: as far as you know, controlling her, so she stays
39:59
Speaker 9: in the free I don't know if you tell the
40:02
Speaker 9: jury somehow Cassie is somehow responsible for anything in this video,
40:07
Speaker 9: you might as well just pack up because you've lost them.
40:09
Speaker 9: They're not going to listen to you. There's no credibility there.
40:11
Speaker 2: But they're trying their best to somehow spin that Intercontinental
40:16
Speaker 2: Hotel video. And Attorney Mark Agnefello keeps hammering infidelity as
40:22
Speaker 2: a cause of jealousy on the part of Cassie Ventura.
40:26
Speaker 1: Listen.
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Speaker 14: Attorney Mark Agnifilo returns to infidelity issues on Carry Morgan's cross.
40:31
Speaker 14: Morgan says Combs was jealous of Michael B. Jordan, but
40:34
Speaker 14: says Cassie only flirted with Jordan because Combs continue to
40:37
Speaker 14: see a woman named Gina he met in twenty fourteen.
40:40
Speaker 14: Morgan says Cassie viewed Gina as a problem who just
40:43
Speaker 14: wouldn't go away. Each time Cassie asked Combs to stop
40:46
Speaker 14: seeing her, Cassie would catch them together again. Cassie testified
40:50
Speaker 14: that a twenty eighteen photo of Comb's with Gina is
40:53
Speaker 14: what led her to finally break up with the mogul.
40:56
Speaker 2: We are live with the latest from the Federal courthouse
40:58
Speaker 2: in Manhattan in the case of show On Comes versus
41:01
Speaker 2: the US Government rob shooter. We heard on the witness
41:04
Speaker 2: stand testimony that in one beating and this came from
41:08
Speaker 2: Carrie Morgan, Ventiro's former friend, Cassie fell on a brick
41:14
Speaker 2: of some sort and passed out. Was actually passed out,
41:20
Speaker 2: got knocked out cold. Right, that's serious. That is a
41:25
Speaker 2: concussion when you actually are passed out. But instead focusing
41:30
Speaker 2: on that, they're angry that there are not Johnny Depp
41:34
Speaker 2: or luigiman Gioni crowds outside the courthouse.
41:37
Speaker 1: Is that a tiny bit misplaced?
41:39
Speaker 7: Oh, it's absolutely foolish, it's really foolish behavior. But he
41:42
Speaker 7: also talks to the ego of the gentleman that he's
41:45
Speaker 7: paying them Puffy has a very, very fragile ego, and
41:50
Speaker 7: that will really hurt his feelings. Boohoo. He'll be really
41:54
Speaker 7: upset about these reports, particularly if these reports are true.
42:00
Speaker 7: A couple of days ago on your show, Nancy, you
42:02
Speaker 7: talked about how his his private parts were allegedly very small.
42:06
Speaker 7: That will hurt did he crowd sizes will hurt.
42:10
Speaker 2: Let's be clear the size Robert Tootsy role.
42:15
Speaker 7: He is obsessed with size. He is obsessed with being
42:17
Speaker 7: the biggest star in the world, having the biggest crowds
42:20
Speaker 7: in the world, having the most fans in the world.
42:22
Speaker 7: And none of that is true.
42:25
Speaker 2: And let's be clear once again, for my sporing partner,
42:29
Speaker 2: Mark Gear Agoes, Sean Holmes's PR team is not paying
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Speaker 2: people to wear those T shirts to say free perfey,
42:37
Speaker 2: but somebody is.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Gray signing off, goodbye friend,