Latest / The Quark Side - Quantum Physics Podcast / Why Quantum Computers Keep Forgetting—and How Scientists Fixed It
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- 0:01Speaker 1: Welcome to the quarre Side. Quantum Physics podcast, an exploration
- 0:05Speaker 1: of the fundamental structure of reality where quantum laws govern matter, energy,
- 0:11Speaker 1: and information. Here, uncertainty is a feature, not a flaw,
- 0:16Speaker 1: and understanding begins of the smallest scales.
- 0:28Speaker 2: Imagine you're holding like the single most powerful piece of technology.
- 0:32Speaker 3: In human history, always a fun thought experiment, right, Like.
- 0:35Speaker 2: A machine that's capable of simulating the molecular structure of
- 0:40Speaker 2: complex life saving drugs, or cracking cryptographic codes that would
- 0:46Speaker 2: take classical computer's millennia to break.
- 0:49Speaker 3: Basically modeling the very fabric of the universe exactly.
- 0:52Speaker 2: So you power it up, you input the variables, you
- 0:54Speaker 2: get ready to change the world, and then you discover
- 0:57Speaker 2: your multimillion dollar machine has the memory of a old fish.
- 1:00Speaker 3: Yeah, that is a That's the great paradox of modern
- 1:03Speaker 3: physics right there. I mean, we spend billions developing machines
- 1:08Speaker 3: with almost unimaginable computational promise, but their current hardware instability
- 1:13Speaker 3: is just it's the absolute bottleneck.
- 1:14Speaker 2: Because they literally forget what they're doing.
- 1:16Speaker 3: Right If the processor literally forgets the math problem halfway
- 1:19Speaker 3: through solving it, the theoretical power just doesn't matter.
- 1:23Speaker 2: So today we're going to explore this Achilles heel of
- 1:26Speaker 2: quantum computers. We're getting into the unpredictable fluctuation of quantum memory, and.
- 1:30Speaker 3: More importantly, unpacking a massive new breakthrough that has accelerated
- 1:38Speaker 3: our ability to measure this information loss by more than
- 1:41Speaker 3: one hundred times.
- 1:43Speaker 2: Which is just a staggering leap. I mean, the conversation
- 1:45Speaker 2: around quantum computing usually gets bogged down in theory.
- 1:48Speaker 3: Right, oh, constantly right, But the reality of engineering these
- 1:52Speaker 3: devices requires confronting some incredibly harsh microscopic physics. To build
- 1:58Speaker 3: a reliable machine, you have to measure its unreliability first.
- 2:02Speaker 3: Makes sense, and for a long time our measurement tools
- 2:04Speaker 3: were just well, they were simply too slow to see
- 2:06Speaker 3: the actual problems.
- 2:07Speaker 2: So let's get right into the hardware of that unreliability.
- 2:10Speaker 2: For the audience listening, we all know what equib it is,
- 2:12Speaker 2: and we know they operate in delicate stakes of superposition.
- 2:15Speaker 2: But let's look at the physical architecture.
- 2:17Speaker 3: Yeah, specifically, we're talking about superconducting quibits.
- 2:19Speaker 2: Here, right. These are microscopic electrical circuits, usually made of
- 2:23Speaker 2: metals like aluminium or niobium, printed on a silicon or
- 2:27Speaker 2: sapphire chip, and they are cooled down to fractions of
- 2:30Speaker 2: a degree above absolute zero, Yes.
- 2:33Speaker 3: Around fifteen millik Elvin's to be exact, which is colder
- 2:36Speaker 3: than the vacuum of deep space. That's crazy, it is, Yeah,
- 2:39Speaker 3: And we do that so the electrons can pair up
- 2:41Speaker 3: into what are called Cooper pairs. They flow without any
- 2:44Speaker 3: electrical resistance.
- 2:45Speaker 2: And that frictionless flow is what allows the quantum state
- 2:49Speaker 2: to survive exactly. But clearly it doesn't survive for very long.
- 2:52Speaker 2: There's this constant thread of relaxation or decoherence.
- 2:57Speaker 3: Right, decoherence to the enemy.
- 2:59Speaker 2: Let me flow an analogy here. If maintaining a classical
- 3:03Speaker 2: bit is like laying a heavy coin flat on the table, Okay,
- 3:06Speaker 2: like it takes a lot of force to flip it over,
- 3:09Speaker 2: But a quibit in superposition is more like a spinning coin.
- 3:13Speaker 3: I like that.
- 3:14Speaker 2: Yeah, it holds both heads and tails dynamically, but eventually
- 3:18Speaker 2: microscopic friction from the air or the table, you know,
- 3:21Speaker 2: it SAPs its momentum and it clatters flat. It completely
- 3:25Speaker 2: loses its quantum state.
- 3:26Speaker 3: That captures the physics beautifully actually, and that friction causing
- 3:31Speaker 3: the coin to clatter flat is what we call environmental noise.
- 3:34Speaker 2: Even in a freezer that's colder than space.
- 3:37Speaker 3: Even there inside a dilution refrigerator at fifteen milik Ellen's
- 3:41Speaker 3: the environment is not perfectly silent. You've got stray photons
- 3:44Speaker 3: wandering through the chamber, you have cosmic rays striking the
- 3:47Speaker 3: outer casing. But mostly you have microscopic defects within the
- 3:52Speaker 3: silicon or sapphire substrate itself. Wait really, yeah, tiny atomic
- 3:56Speaker 3: imperfections called two level system defects.
- 4:00Speaker 2: So the noise isn't just coming from the outside. The
- 4:02Speaker 2: ship itself is inherently flawed at the atomic level.
- 4:05Speaker 3: That is the insidious part of the problem. As the
- 4:07Speaker 3: temperature shift slightly or electric fields fluctuate, these atomic defects
- 4:14Speaker 3: within the chip actually absorb energy from the quibit. Oh wow,
- 4:17Speaker 3: they act like microscopic sponges. They just suck the quantum
- 4:20Speaker 3: information right out of the circuit. That's brutal, it really is.
- 4:23Speaker 3: When that happens, the quibit drops out of its excited
- 4:26Speaker 3: state back to its ground state. The information is gone,
- 4:29Speaker 3: and in physics we measure the life stan of that
- 4:32Speaker 3: memory using a metric called T one. The relaxation time,
- 4:35Speaker 3: right the relaxation time.
- 4:36Speaker 2: And according to Jiro and Danen, who's a professor at
- 4:40Speaker 2: NTNU involved in this research, the problem isn't just that
- 4:44Speaker 2: T one is short. It's that T one is wildly unpredictable.
- 4:49Speaker 3: And that is the core engineering nightmare right there. I mean,
- 4:52Speaker 3: if the relaxation time was uniformly short, say every quibit
- 4:57Speaker 3: perfectly held its memory for exactly fifty micros, you could
- 5:00Speaker 3: just work around it exactly. You could meticulously schedule your
- 5:04Speaker 3: calculations to execute and finish in forty nine microseconds.
- 5:08Speaker 2: But it's not a static timer, not at all. Like
- 5:10Speaker 2: the life span of the memory fluctuates randomly over time.
- 5:13Speaker 2: One minute, the quibbit might hold information for one hundred microseconds,
- 5:17Speaker 2: and the next minute it forgets everything after like ten microseconds.
- 5:20Speaker 3: Because those microscopic atomic defects in the chip, they're constantly shifting,
- 5:24Speaker 3: they're coupling and decoupling with equibit. It's just a highly
- 5:27Speaker 3: dynamic environment.
- 5:28Speaker 2: It sounds chaotic, it is.
- 5:30Speaker 3: You're basically trying to build a perplectly synchronized orchestra out
- 5:32Speaker 3: of instruments that randomly change their tuning every few seconds.
- 5:36Speaker 2: Okay, So if I'm an engineer trying to fix this,
- 5:38Speaker 2: my very first instinct is, well, I need to observe
- 5:40Speaker 2: the machine while it's running. I need to find out
- 5:43Speaker 2: exactly when and why the tuning changes and fix that
- 5:46Speaker 2: specific defect naturally. But this brings us to the massive
- 5:51Speaker 2: roadblock that this new research published in Physical Review X
- 5:54Speaker 2: finally solved, because historically scientists were essentially flying blind.
- 5:59Speaker 3: They were because you know, measuring a quantum system is
- 6:03Speaker 3: fundamentally different from measuring a classical system. It used to
- 6:06Speaker 3: take researchers roughly a full second to measure that T
- 6:10Speaker 3: one relaxation time.
- 6:11Speaker 2: Now, let me push back on that a bit, because
- 6:13Speaker 2: I think a lot of people might hear one second
- 6:15Speaker 2: and think, well, a second is incredibly fast. Like if
- 6:18Speaker 2: my laptop diagnosed a hardware error in one second, I'd
- 6:21Speaker 2: be thrilled. Why is a one second measurement lag such
- 6:25Speaker 2: a catastrophic bottleneck When we're measuring quantum computers, you really have.
- 6:28Speaker 3: To scale your perception of time down to the microscopic
- 6:31Speaker 3: round here. A single second in a quantum processor isn't
- 6:35Speaker 3: a quick diagnostic check. It is an absolute eternity, and
- 6:39Speaker 3: eternity Yeah, the environment around that superconducting circuit is shifting,
- 6:43Speaker 3: it's vibrating, and it's changing state millions of times per second.
- 6:47Speaker 2: So a one second measurement means you are just entirely
- 6:51Speaker 2: missing millions of microscopic events.
- 6:53Speaker 3: Yes, you're just completely missing them. But to understand why
- 6:56Speaker 3: it took a full second, we have to look at
- 6:58Speaker 3: the mechanics of quantum op Okay, you can't just point
- 7:02Speaker 3: a continuous sensor at equibit and watch its energy fade
- 7:06Speaker 3: over time. It's not like watching a battery icon drain
- 7:10Speaker 3: on your phone.
- 7:11Speaker 2: Right because of the observer effect. Exactly, if you look
- 7:13Speaker 2: at the spinning coin, you force it to clatter flat immediately.
- 7:17Speaker 2: You force it to choose a definitive state of zero
- 7:19Speaker 2: or one, which destroys that delicate superposition you were trying
- 7:23Speaker 2: to measure in the first place.
- 7:24Speaker 3: Spot On the act of measuring the quibbot destroys the memory.
- 7:28Speaker 3: So how do you find out how long the memory
- 7:31Speaker 3: lasts if looking at it actually kills it.
- 7:34Speaker 2: That sounds impossible.
- 7:35Speaker 3: It's tricky. You have to use a statistical approach called
- 7:37Speaker 3: inversion recovery.
- 7:38Speaker 2: Okay, walk me through that. How does inversion recovery actually work.
- 7:42Speaker 3: So you send a microwave pulse to excite the quibbit.
- 7:46Speaker 3: Basically you spin the.
- 7:47Speaker 2: Coin okay, coin of spinning.
- 7:49Speaker 3: Then you purposefully wait for a specific duration, let's say
- 7:53Speaker 3: ten microseconds. Right after exactly ten microseconds, you hit it
- 7:57Speaker 3: with a measurement pulse to see if it is still
- 8:00Speaker 3: spinning or if it fell flat.
- 8:02Speaker 2: But that only tells you the result for that single trial.
- 8:05Speaker 2: It doesn't give you the average lifespan.
- 8:07Speaker 3: Correct. So you have to reset the quibit and do
- 8:09Speaker 3: that exact same ten microsecond waight time thousands of times
- 8:13Speaker 3: just to build a reliable probability thousands of times thousands
- 8:16Speaker 3: And then you have to increase the weight time to
- 8:19Speaker 3: say fifteen microseconds, and run another thousand trials. Oh my god,
- 8:23Speaker 3: then twenty microseconds, another thousand trials. You painstakingly sweep through
- 8:28Speaker 3: all these different weight times, plotting the probabilities until you
- 8:31Speaker 3: build this beautiful, smooth, exponential decay curve, and.
- 8:35Speaker 2: The slope of that curve tells you the t one
- 8:37Speaker 2: relaxation time. Wow, Okay, I see the problem.
- 8:40Speaker 3: Now.
- 8:40Speaker 2: It's not that a single measurement takes a second. It's
- 8:43Speaker 2: that you have to run tens of thousands of individual
- 8:47Speaker 2: excite weight measure reset cycles just to plot a single curve.
- 8:51Speaker 2: And that entire ensemble process is what takes a full second.
- 8:54Speaker 3: And here is where the physics really bite you. During
- 8:57Speaker 3: that one second you spent gathering all those thousands of
- 9:00Speaker 3: data points, the atomic defects in the chip were actively shifting.
- 9:04Speaker 2: The environment was fluctuating, right, which means the curve you
- 9:07Speaker 2: just claweded is basically a.
- 9:09Speaker 3: Lie, or at least a massive blur.
- 9:12Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 9:12Speaker 2: It's like trying to take a photograph of a chaotic
- 9:14Speaker 2: mosh pit, but you leave the camera shutter open for
- 9:16Speaker 2: a full minute.
- 9:17Speaker 3: Oh, that's a great way to put it.
- 9:18Speaker 2: You wouldn't see any of the individual collisions or the
- 9:21Speaker 2: dynamic movement. You just get the smeared, useless blob of
- 9:25Speaker 2: average motion.
- 9:26Speaker 3: That is a phenomenal conceptualization. Over that one second integration time,
- 9:31Speaker 3: the quibot's actual relaxation rate might have spiked and plummeted
- 9:35Speaker 3: one hundred times. Wow, But your one second ensemble measurement
- 9:39Speaker 3: just spits out a single smeared average. You know the
- 9:43Speaker 3: memory fluctuates, but you have no idea what specific microscopic
- 9:47Speaker 3: event triggered the loss in that exact fraction of a millisecond, And.
- 9:51Speaker 2: If you can't see the details of the noise, you
- 9:53Speaker 2: obviously can't engineer a defense against it. You just can't,
- 9:56Speaker 2: which brings us to the breakthrough the t at the
- 10:00Speaker 2: niels Bore Institute in Copenhagen, led by Fabrizio Barita, alongside
- 10:05Speaker 2: Jero and Dan and the NTNU researchers, they basically decided
- 10:09Speaker 2: that staring at a smeared mosh pit wasn't going to
- 10:12Speaker 2: scale quantum computing.
- 10:13Speaker 3: No, it certainly wasn't.
- 10:14Speaker 2: They needed a high speed camera and they achieved something
- 10:17Speaker 2: called real time adaptive tracking. They took that agonizing one
- 10:21Speaker 2: second measurement window and slashed it down to roughly ten milliseconds.
- 10:25Speaker 3: Which is a speed increase of more than one hundred times.
- 10:27Speaker 2: That's insane. So how do you actually do that If
- 10:30Speaker 2: the rules of quantum mechanics dictate that looking at the
- 10:33Speaker 2: quivot destroys the state and you're forced to run thousands
- 10:37Speaker 2: of trials to build that decay curve, how do you
- 10:40Speaker 2: suddenly do it one hundred times faster? Do they just
- 10:44Speaker 2: like buy a faster microwave pulse generator to cycle, the
- 10:47Speaker 2: resets quicker.
- 10:48Speaker 3: No. No, the hardware pulsing speed is already pretty much
- 10:51Speaker 3: near its physical limit. The breakthrough wasn't about pulsing faster,
- 10:56Speaker 3: It was about measuring smarter. Okay. They completely threw out
- 11:00Speaker 3: the traditional brute force method of sweeping through all the
- 11:03Speaker 3: wait times from scratch every single time. Instead, they integrated
- 11:08Speaker 3: an active machine learning inspired feedback loop.
- 11:11Speaker 2: Okay, break that down for me. What does the algorithm
- 11:13Speaker 2: actually do differently?
- 11:14Speaker 3: Think about the traditional method. You're blindly testing weight times
- 11:17Speaker 3: of one microsecond, two microseconds, three microseconds, all the way
- 11:20Speaker 3: up right. But if you already know from the last
- 11:23Speaker 3: measurement that the Quivitt generally survives for fifty microseconds, testing
- 11:27Speaker 3: a one microsecond wait time is a complete waste of
- 11:30Speaker 3: physical time.
- 11:30Speaker 2: Because you already know it's going to survive that long.
- 11:32Speaker 3: You already know the probability is going to be near
- 11:33Speaker 3: one hundred percent.
- 11:35Speaker 2: Ah, So the algorithm stopped searching the entire haystack. It
- 11:39Speaker 2: remembers where the needle was a millisecond ago, and only
- 11:42Speaker 2: searches in that immediate vicinity.
- 11:43Speaker 3: Precisely, they optimize the tracking by using what we can
- 11:47Speaker 3: call a hot and cold approach. The software dynamically calculates
- 11:52Speaker 3: this deepest part of the exponential decay curve, the absolute
- 11:56Speaker 3: most sensitive weight time, where the probability is roughly fifty
- 11:59Speaker 3: to fifty okay, and it focuses its measurement pulses almost
- 12:03Speaker 3: entirely right there on that sensitive edge.
- 12:06Speaker 2: I love that. It's like trying to monitor the edge
- 12:08Speaker 2: of a cliff in the dark. Yes, instead of mapping
- 12:11Speaker 2: the entire mountain from the base to the peak over
- 12:14Speaker 2: and over again, you find the cliff edge once. Then
- 12:17Speaker 2: you just take tiny steps back and forth exactly. If
- 12:19Speaker 2: your foot hits air, you know the edge eroded inward.
- 12:22Speaker 2: If you hit rock, you know it shifted outward. You're
- 12:25Speaker 2: only probing the exact boundary of the change.
- 12:27Speaker 3: And because they're only probing the boundary, they don't need
- 12:30Speaker 3: thousands of data points to find the new curve. They
- 12:32Speaker 3: only need a handful.
- 12:33Speaker 2: That is so smart.
- 12:34Speaker 3: They programmed a field programmable gate array, an ultra fast
- 12:38Speaker 3: FPGA processor to capture the readout data, run a Bayesian
- 12:43Speaker 3: estimation algorithm to calculate the new t one time, and
- 12:46Speaker 3: instantly adjust the weight time for the very next pulse. Wow,
- 12:49Speaker 3: all of that computation and physical adjustment happens entirely on
- 12:53Speaker 3: the fly.
- 12:54Speaker 2: Real time adaptive tracking. So instead of a one second
- 12:57Speaker 2: long exposure photograph, you're taking razor sharp snapshots every ten milliseconds. Yep,
- 13:02Speaker 2: you're watching the quantum system live in high definition as
- 13:06Speaker 2: it breeds and fluctuates.
- 13:07Speaker 3: It really represents a fundamental paradigm shift in quantum observation.
- 13:11Speaker 3: For the first time, researchers can watch the relaxation rate dynamically.
- 13:16Speaker 3: They can observe the peaks and valleys of the quibbet
- 13:18Speaker 3: stability almost perfectly syncd with the actual environmental changes happening
- 13:23Speaker 3: inside the chip, and that leads.
- 13:24Speaker 2: To the ultimate So what of this whole conversation, Now
- 13:27Speaker 2: that we have this ten millisecond high speed camera, how
- 13:30Speaker 2: does this actually help us build a better quantum computer. No,
- 13:33Speaker 2: because observing a problem is great, but it doesn't automatically
- 13:36Speaker 2: fix the fact that the house of cards is falling.
- 13:39Speaker 3: No, it doesn't fix it automatically, but it makes fixing
- 13:42Speaker 3: it physically possible. Observation in physics is the absolute prerequisite
- 13:46Speaker 3: for diagnosis. When your measurement took a full second, all
- 13:50Speaker 3: the different microscopic causes of decoherence blended together. But at
- 13:54Speaker 3: ten milliseconds, you can finally start correlating the rapid drops
- 13:58Speaker 3: in memory stability with SPECIFCI simultaneous physical events.
- 14:02Speaker 2: Oh, I see, it's about matching the time stamp of
- 14:04Speaker 2: the crime to.
- 14:05Speaker 3: The suspect exactly. If the T one relaxation rate suddenly
- 14:09Speaker 3: plummets at exactly millisecond forty, and your other sensors detect
- 14:13Speaker 3: a tiny burst of background radiation hitting the substrate at
- 14:17Speaker 3: exactly millisecond forty, you have a direct correlation.
- 14:19Speaker 2: Have caught them red handed?
- 14:21Speaker 3: You have? You can say definitively, this specific type of
- 14:24Speaker 3: cosmic ray interaction creates a phone on vibration that breaks
- 14:28Speaker 3: the Cooper pairs and kills our kubit memory.
- 14:30Speaker 2: And once you know exactly what is killing the memory,
- 14:32Speaker 2: you can start writing the ultimate hardware path.
- 14:34Speaker 3: You can engineer targeted solutions. You can design novel shielding
- 14:38Speaker 3: materials that specifically absorb that exact frequency of radiation. You
- 14:43Speaker 3: can design microcircuit topographies that isolate the superconducting loops from
- 14:47Speaker 3: the atomic defects in the silicon. You can even write
- 14:51Speaker 3: more efficient error correcting codes.
- 14:53Speaker 2: Because the software will actually know the precise frequency and
- 14:56Speaker 2: nature of the errors it's trying to.
- 14:58Speaker 3: Correct precisely makes quantum engineering out of the dark ages
- 15:02Speaker 3: of trial and error and brings it into an era
- 15:05Speaker 3: of precision diagnostics.
- 15:07Speaker 2: It's incredible to think about the journey here. We went
- 15:09Speaker 2: from superconducting quibits that just randomly hemorrhage their memory while
- 15:14Speaker 2: scientists stared helplessly through a one second.
- 15:16Speaker 3: Blur, a very frustrating blur, to.
- 15:19Speaker 2: The teams at NTNU and the Neils Bohr Institute leveraging
- 15:22Speaker 2: active feedback loops and smart algorithms to slice that window
- 15:26Speaker 2: down to ten milliseconds. They didn't just build a better sensor,
- 15:29Speaker 2: they completely reimagine how to ask the quantum system a question.
- 15:33Speaker 3: It's a profound reminder that in deep tech, a measurement
- 15:36Speaker 3: breakthrough is often the match that lights the fuse for
- 15:39Speaker 3: an engineering revolution. Absolutely without stable memory, quantum computing just
- 15:43Speaker 3: remains a fascinating lab experiment. By giving engineers the ability
- 15:47Speaker 3: to track and diagnose instability in real time, this breakthrough
- 15:51Speaker 3: brings us significantly closer to reality altering computational.
- 15:55Speaker 2: Power, and that leaves us with a truly mind expanding
- 15:59Speaker 2: concept upon As we wrap up today.
- 16:01Speaker 3: Okay, let's hear it.
- 16:02Speaker 2: We've talked entirely about humans using this ten millisecond tracking
- 16:06Speaker 2: to engineer better hardware. But what if we integrate this
- 16:09Speaker 2: algorithm directly into the quantum processor's own operating system?
- 16:13Speaker 3: Oh wow? Right?
- 16:15Speaker 2: If a machine can now track its own memory de
- 16:17Speaker 2: ka in ten milliseconds, how long will it be before
- 16:20Speaker 2: it uses that real time data to predict its own
- 16:22Speaker 2: information loss?
- 16:24Speaker 3: That is fascinating.
- 16:25Speaker 2: Could a future quantum computer sense a microscopic disturbance coming,
- 16:29Speaker 2: realize its t one is plummeting, and actively course correct
- 16:32Speaker 2: or reroute the calculation before the memory even disappears.
- 16:35Speaker 3: Self correcting on the fly.
- 16:36Speaker 2: Exactly are we looking at the dawn of self healing
- 16:39Speaker 2: quantum computers?
- 16:40Speaker 3: That is the frontier we are racing toward. The microscopic
- 16:44Speaker 3: world is full of chaotic noise, but as we learn
- 16:47Speaker 3: to see it clearly, we can learn to master it.
- 16:50Speaker 3: I encourage everyone listening to keep questioning the invisible mechanisms
- 16:54Speaker 3: that power our reality.
- 16:55Speaker 2: Thank you so much for exploring the quantum realm with
- 16:58Speaker 2: us today. Keep wondering, keep asking those hard questions, and
- 17:02Speaker 2: we will see you next time.