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- Todd: today we're Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: gonna talk about Noah getting drunk. I'm real excited about it. Yo, it's Carrie: my gosh. I should be drinking with you. I'm drinking with you in spirit. Todd: I even had beers today, but I do have a margarita. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. It's like you play in the Oregon Trail. You are out of beer. Todd: Like, well, I got a Mormon neighbor, I can always eat if I need to. Okay. That was the Yo, it's Carrie: All right. Todd: Donner Party reference for those of you in real Linda. Have to look up that too. All right. Welcome everyone to Beers with Jesus on Todd's World. I'm Todd. Carrie's with me. And we're Yo, it's Carrie: Hello. Todd: back. You probably thought maybe you thought something untoward had happened with us. We we disap, Yo, it's Carrie: Maybe we drowned it in a flood. Todd: we disappeared for through like three weeks, but we're back. Sorry. We tend to do that in July. And you know, if I was a more responsible host, I would kind of plan that out and let everybody know. But life just happens to me. So I don't know. I just thought we'd do one and we did the you know, we were gonna do a beers with Jesus and we were all set to do it this one, this Yo, it's Carrie: We were Todd: very passage, Genesis nine, and my sister and brother in law came over. I didn't know they were coming over to visit. They brought adult beverages with them and I said, Carrie, I got a drink. I got a drink with my sister. So we didn't and Carrie was on her way to Michigan after that. You had a vacation Yo, it's Carrie: Yep. Todd: up here. Yo, it's Carrie: Great time. Todd: How was the vacation? You're up at Torch Lake again, right? One the most beautiful lakes in the United States. Yo, it's Carrie: Wonderful. It's so beautiful. Planned the polar plunge every day. That's my new thing. I just jump in every day that we're there. But it wasn't even cold. I mean it's cool. it is cold. But it was mm-hmm. Todd: That's impressive 'cause Torch Lake is usually cold. It's a spring fed lake that's really clear in Michigan. If you look up pictures, it's it's huge and it's gorgeous. The just Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: clear blue green water. But it's so cold usually. Yo, it's Carrie: It was cool, but it was not a polar plunge at all, so I can't I don't really have bragging rights on that, this year. We did. Todd: And you got some wildfire smoke, some Canadian wildfire smoke. Yo, it's Carrie: We still had fun. We played cribbage and watched movies and Todd: Were we worried about being outside? Were you like, god, it's been two hours, I've smoked a cigarette. Yo, it's Carrie: well we went Todd: That's how a lot of people were being. Yo, it's Carrie: Well, we went on a boat ride with the neighbor who needed to run his boat for a little bit. So he he we hopped in and rode down to the what's called the sandbar. Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: And I think we were out for maybe an hour, but I'd say, you know, halfway through it, my eyes started like burning and my throat Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: was scratchy. It was like you could feel it. It was really bad. I mean, Todd: Yeah, that was rough. Yo, it's Carrie: you could look at the sun. The sun was like this yeah, it was wild. Todd: Yeah, and it was like hazy orange. Yeah. I was Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: working outside in it for like eight, ten hours a day. Didn't bother me at all. I I I don't care. Well it's Yo, it's Carrie: You're just tough like that, Todd. Todd: I'm I'm basically a first responder. I'm going Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: out there fighting fires to help people with their Yo, it's Carrie: Build yep. Building stuff. Todd: home home remodels. We're remodeling the homes before they're engulfed in flames. Yo, it's Carrie: Home remodels. You are you're like a home. First response. I feel bad for Canada. And how's it going up there now? Todd: I don't know. I think I just saw another report that said they're getting ready for another swath this next week. So when you when when this drops on Wednesday, another big swath I think will cover most of the eastern Yo, it's Carrie: shoot. Mm-hmm. You guys might be Todd: Midwest and Eastern it kinda blows east, you know, and they're t so I don't know how how bad it gets out there in New York and stuff, but anyway, it's fun fun. Yo, it's Carrie: Well, stay healthy, everyone. Todd: So we were gone for a few weeks. Carrie got her vacation in. We got stuff done. It was it was a good time. So good good break. And now we're back at it. Yo, it's Carrie: We missed we missed you. Yep. Todd: I did. I missed everybody. Missed doing Beers with Jesus. We did the what we also do the wildly opinionated news hour. So that drops on Tuesdays every other week, but we did one this week. So there's a there's a new one sitting there. So if you're tuning in after beers, you may want to listen to news too. It's fun. Different shows, Yo, it's Carrie: Definitely. Todd: but a lot of fun. and then Yo, it's Carrie: We did some good catching up yesterday. Todd: Yeah. And then on this show we just go through the stories of the Bible. Pretty basic. We don't preach at ya. And there's a lot of that out there. I I reckon you can find somebody to preach at you if you want. If it's if it's not just like your mom or your brother, your sister. Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Yeah you can. You can c you can kinda you can kinda and online you could just cover your eyes and go like this and find somebody to preach at you. Yeah, we're definitely not. Todd: We don't do that. We just kind of go through the Bible, the stories. So we take it about a chapter at a time. We've been going through Genesis, knowing the flood. And for our purposes, we take it we take the story as it's presented. We don't we don't spend a bunch of time saying, Well, science says it's never gonna happen. That's I just again, there's plenty of podcasts where that happens and if that's what you're after, that's it's a little different kind of show. You're welcome to it. We go after the stories, we assume the stories are true, and we explore the stories. And we're and and the goal being to to kinda get a feel for the larger story of God and of the Bible and of Jesus. That Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: sound fair, Carrie? Yo, it's Carrie: Well said. I was gonna say we're not yeah, we're not preachers and we're not scientists. Todd: We're not biologists like Katanji. We don't know. Yo, it's Carrie: We are just we are just appreciators of of of God's word. Todd: That's right. It's fun. We're different. Carrie's Catholic. Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Todd: Who knows what I am? I'm just a Christian, guys. I'm the pure essence of a follower of Jesus. I'm kidding. Yo, it's Carrie: You you're something. You are something. Yeah. If you didn't bust out laughing on that, then you need to go and listen to us like our back recordings. Okay. Todd: So anyway, mostly evangelical. but we I I am I grew up evangelical and Baptist and whatever, but so anyway, we have a little different take sometimes, but I think it all works together. So we are in Genesis 9. Yo, it's Carrie: Before yeah, before you jump, I forgot to tell you I evangelized I evangelized a little bit to to a guy at the bar the other night. Todd: You did? I didn't think Catholics did that. I thought Catholics were like people sink or swim on their own, man. I don't know. There's a big freaking church over there. I reckon you can Yo, it's Carrie: They Todd: see it from your car. If you want to find out what's going on, come find out. Yo, it's Carrie: They f they fly or fry on their own. I'm No, I just I felt really bad. This guy was just going through it and Todd: it was. Yo, it's Carrie: and I just couldn't help I mean all it was so bad, the all the stuff going on in his life. I said, Are you you know, do you pray about this? And he kind of sighed and said he and God are on the best of terms. And I said, Well, I said, You know how to fix that? He said, No, how? And I said Just start talking to him again. Anyway, yeah, we talked a little bit. It was nice. Todd: He probably appreciated a a very like a very down to earth like recommendation which is well you just start talking to him. It's like if you have somebody down here Yo, it's Carrie: Literally that's it. Todd: that you're not like getting on the best terms with, you'll find that the more you talk to him at some point that'll get hammered out. Yo, it's Carrie: I agree. Todd: And usually it happens a little faster with God. He's a little easier at the hammering. Well, harder and easier both, maybe. I got all Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Yeah. But it was fun. He said, Yeah, I was not expecting this in in our conversation. So yeah. Todd: That look how you go, Carrie. Beers with Jesus at the bar, I like it. It's perfect. That's what Yo, it's Carrie: At the bar. Yep. It was good. Todd: we do, guys. And today we're Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: gonna talk about Noah getting drunk. I'm real excited about it. Yo, it's Carrie: my gosh. I should be drinking with you. I'm drinking with you in spirit. Todd: I even had beers today, but I do have a margarita. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. It's like you play in the Oregon Trail. You are out of beer. Todd: Like, well, I got a Mormon neighbor, I can always eat if I need to. Okay. That was the Yo, it's Carrie: All right. Todd: Donner Party reference for those of you in real Linda. Have to look up that too. All right. Genesis nine. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: we read out of the message because the I I like the message. I in my opinion, the message is the best. Just to for a narrative, especially, just just to kind of an overall narrative, the narrative thread that it that that runs through it. I just think that that Eugene Peterson did a great job with this translation. So that's my personal opinion. And hey, it's Dodd's world, so that's why we read it. Yo, it's Carrie: That's right. I'm along for the ride. Todd: All right, we're gonna read Genesis 9 in Yo, it's Carrie: All right. Todd: the message. God bless Noah and his sons. He said, Prosper, reproduce, fill the earth. Every living creature, birds, animals, and fish will fall under your spell and be afraid of you. You're responsible for them. All living creatures are yours for food. Just as I gave you the plants, now I give you everything else, except for meat with its lifeblood still in it. Don't eat that. But your own lifeblood I will avenge. I will avenge it against both animals and other humans. Whoever sheds human blood will By humans let his blood be shed, because God made humans in his image, reflecting God's very nature. You're here to bear fruit, reproduce, lavish life on the earth, live bountifully. Then God spoke to Noah and his sons, I'm setting up my covenant with you, including your children who will come after you, along with everything alive around you, birds, farm animals, wild animals that came out of the ship with you. I'm setting up my covenant with you that never again will everything living be destroyed by flood waters. No, never again will a flood destroy the earth. God continued, This is the sign of the covenant I am making between me and you and everything living around you and everyone living after you. Pretty all encompassing I'd say Yo, it's Carrie: Uh-huh, mm-hmm. Todd: I'm putting my rainbow in the clouds, a sign of the covenant between me and the earth. From now on, when I form a cloud over the earth, and the rainbow appears in the cloud, I'll remember my covenant between me and you and everything living, that never again will floodwaters destroy all life. When the rainbow appears in the cloud, I'll see it and remember the eternal covenant between God and everything living, every last living creature on earth. And God said, This is the sign of the covenant that I've set up between me and And everything living on the earth. The sons of Noah who came out of the ship were Shem, Ham, and Japheth. Ham was the father of Canaan. These are the three sons of Noah. From these three the whole earth was populated. Noah, a farmer, was the first to plant a vineyard. He drank from its wine, got drunk, and passed out, naked in his tent. Ham, the father of Canaan, saw that his father was naked and told his two brothers who were outside the tent. Shem and Japheth took a cloak, held it between them from their shoulders, walked backward and covered their father's nakedness, keeping their faces turned away so they did not see their father's exposed body. When Noah woke up with his hangover, he learned what his youngest son had done. He said, Cursed be Canaan, a slave of the of slaves, a slave to his brothers. Blessed be God, the God of Shem, but Canaan shall be his slave. God prospered Japheth living spaciously in the tents of Shem, but Canaan shall be his slave. Noah lived another three hundred and fifty years following the flood. He lived a total of nine hundred and fifty years, and he died. Yo, it's Carrie: Wow. Nice nice reading. Okay. I know we're I Todd: There we go. What you got, Carrie? Yo, it's Carrie: know we're gonna unpack some stuff there, but it it was did he get drunk by accident? Todd: I I don't I d we don't know. Yo, it's Carrie: I I mean it didn't seem like it was I didn't seem like it was triggered by anything. Todd: I imagine he got he I imagine he got as drunk as he did by accident. I ba you know what I mean? I Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: reckon he didn't set out to have the hangover he had the next morning. Yo, it's Carrie: Right, right. Just yeah, just interesting. He was the first to plant a vineyard. Okay, yeah. So it was just really is maybe maybe that's like a sign of the of the potency of the vineyard, like the abundance. Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: Maybe you know, like the richness of the new earth. Todd: Well certainly there would have been changes in the environment Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: that and and and no matter what no matter how you look at it, this is within a the first few years out of the boat. And and certainly Noah's the batches of wine and wine making probably very wildly at that point. He's trying to dial it in. You know what I mean? And Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Right. Todd: my guess would be ran into the same thing probably with crops and learning just kind of Yo, it's Carrie: Sure. Everything's different. Todd: relearning this new earth and and what we're dealing with and and what works and what doesn't and and what Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: works best and how to rotate things and y you know what I mean the whole thing. So Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: so I I I assume that yeah this wasn't he didn't set out to get probably this liquored up would be my guess. Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. I know it's kind of funny that it's written about if it's, you know, the way it is. But the other thing that struck me about the story is how he's naked and the his sons want to cover him so that like it and it just reminds me of like of Adam and Eve and like everything's changed. Like everything's Todd: It's very familiar to the Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: changed and just like it's everything's changed on the earth for Noah. Todd: But there's still sin Yo, it's Carrie: But there's shame associated Todd: and shame. Yo, it's Carrie: with the nakedness and that they don't want, you know Todd: And there's a covering. Yo, it's Carrie: right. So it just reminded me of that. Everything's new. It's like, and he's naked, we have to cover him up. I don't know. That's what that made me think of. Todd: Even Noah, it it the it's funny because I wanted to kind of hit this in the order that you're going on. I thought, well let's let's deal Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: let's deal with the end of the story first and then go back and then go back to the beginning Yo, it's Carrie: okay. Okay. Todd: where God's talking to him because the way this is structured by tacking this onto the end, it really kind of like it it it's the it kind of leaves you with with mostly thinking about Noah naked, drunk in the tent. Yo, it's Carrie: Ha. Todd: And it's and after all that he's been through, Yo, it's Carrie: Uh-huh. Todd: it's an odd picture. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: It is. It's really odd. Todd: Because if if if we were left with God talking to Noah and his sons and the sign of the rainbow, and this is what I've put you here for, like Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Right. Todd: we've got a really inspirational kind of thing. Like we've got Rocky. We've got the Rocky movie. But Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Yeah, it seems like the happy ending, this new covenant. It's all like or kind of not a happy ending, but the new beginning. Ending on the new beginning. Todd: But then this thing is dropped in at the end and you're like, what the It just It it just Yo, it's Carrie: I know, what is happening? I'm glad you feel that way too. Todd: It feels like w well what is going on, you know? Yo, it's Carrie: No, why is he cursing his grandson? Todd: yeah. And and certainly th that's the other thing is the way that it's presented, it Yo, it's Carrie: Mm. Todd: doesn't it feels out of proportion. We sometimes run into things like that in the Bible where the way Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Okay. Todd: the story's told, like the curse or the punishment that that that then is given just seems out of proportion. And I always I my guess is that when we run into those things, we're there there's we're we're not picking up some of the seriousness of the story. That that that either we're mentor that's hiding in there or something. Do you know what I mean? Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I don't think this is just a hangover speaking. Like Noah's grouchy the next day and he decides to curse. Like there's definitely something Todd: No, no, I I I don't I don't think so either. Yo, it's Carrie: it's almost like you wonder if something was lost in the story, that this was written and that there was a piece lost. What do you think? Todd: Well I'll tell you this. There the first thing I ran into is I started a lot of a lot of times when I'm when I'm doing my study I'll I'll go back and forth with Grok, the AI. But Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: mostly it's my stuff that I'm concerned about. A lot of times, quite honestly, I I I skim Grok's response. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: But as a writer, I'm right now where I'm at. And then Grok Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: will give me some pushback. And it did on this one a little bit, because Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Okay. Todd: I This would be a passage that people would go to and they would think, this this shows, this illustrates that the drunkenness in the Bible, that being drunk is wrong. It may be okay to moderately drink, but getting drunk like this, that's sin. Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: That would be a a traditional take on this. And I don't believe that. That seems crazy to me. Yo, it's Carrie: I think that's traditional in some churches. Todd: Here's what what I think is drunkenness in the Bible, it to me it can only be talking about one thing, and it can only be talking about alcoholism. Basically, idolatry of alcohol. Because drunkenness and gluttony Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Right. Todd: are are always like kissing cousins. They're always like hand in hand all the way through the Bible. And Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Right. Todd: and and tr clearly, clearly, Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: gluttony is not Uncle Tim overeating on Thanksgiving. That's not what gluttony is. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. And okay. Todd: Gluttony is gluttony is a life given over to food, to the belly. Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. And you're also saying then that drunkenness is not this incident that Noah experienced. It's Todd: Drunkenness is a life given over to alcohol. Yes. Yo, it's Carrie: yeah. Todd: The idea. What what you'd have to go what would the blood alcohol level be where it would go from okay to sin, I wonder. Just so that it just seems crazy to me. Crazy. I mean Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. I love I love that perspective, actually. That's fantastic. That's helpful. Todd: I I don't think that God sets traps for us. I will agree that getting drunk like this isn't ideal. It's it tends Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Sure. Todd: to be embarrassing. And that certainly it it loosens you up for some other sinning pros probably. So you're taking you you're it's Yo, it's Carrie: Yes. Yeah, it o definitely opens the door for some other sort. Todd: like rolling the dice at the roulette table or whatever. I mean you're it Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: you don't know which color's gonna come up. Like it could go bad for Noah. And it did in this Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Todd: one. But anyway, so I'm running into that with Grok. In fact, I got annoyed with Grok to the point that I told Grok, listen, I don't want to go round and round on whether getting drunk is a sin. I don't want to feel like when I'm trying to discuss this passage, I'm constantly running into the ghost of my Baptist mother dressed up like AI. That's not my goal. I was kind of. Yo, it's Carrie: Gotcha. Yeah. Todd: So what I had said, this is I'm going to read to you something that I wrote to Grok. Just kind of. A little bit of how I was kind of seeing the story and tell me what you think. just adding a little bit to it, not a ton, it's not very long. But but this is just kind of how I was maybe seeing the story. And it started out with with kind of where where you were. that it was an embarrassing night for Noah. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: The wine had gotten the better of him. The batches of wine just a few years out of the arc varied wildly in quality and alcohol content. And Noah's still working on it, right? Still perfecting the art. And then I said this, and tell me what you think of this. But there was something off in Ham. A certain depravity of appetite foreign to his brothers. The whole family knew it, of course. Reports of Ham's excursions and perversions made their way to Noah too often. But the latest episode was far afield, even for Ham. Noah had passed out, dead to the world, near the entrance to his tent. Apparently. With his impressive manhood out for all to see. And but it was a most unfortunate pose to come to rest in. Ham had come upon him first, and instead of helping a brother out and covering his father's nakedness, Ham studied his father, captivated by his father's manhood and nakedness. Who knows what happened in the tent before he went out to tell his brothers of his exploits, of his father's embarrassments, but his brothers took care of their father, covering him with a cloak, avoiding visual confirmation of Ham's tales, Shem and Japheth bore their father's embarrassment. You know what I mean? They kind of bore it for him by covering him up and just making sure he's set. Yo, it's Carrie: Are you are you saying that Ham like didn't do the right thing? Are you speculating that? Okay. Todd: Yes. Well, clearly he didn't. Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: I mean, it says Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: that Ham, the father of Canaan, saw that his father was naked and told his two brothers who were outside the tent. There's Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: there's histories that and this is who knows? Yo, it's Carrie: Speculation. Todd: There's speculation throughout the history of of Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: theologians on this text or of commentaries on this text Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: that there was more going on than what the the th than just what we're seeing. That possibly Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: there there could have been some kind of assault or some kind of who knows? Could be anything. Yo, it's Carrie: This seems very far fetched, but okay. Todd: Well, you gotta think though because you gotta find a way to match the Noah cursed his own son and grandson. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: And so you gotta find a way that that fits. Like what was so bad about what happened that Noah curses them? Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Todd: Well well my and I don't know what it is, but whatever it was, Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: the the story's presenting a difference between Ham interaction and response to his dad's embarrassing night Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: and his brothers. And I mean you don't have to question that. Noah comes out of the hangover with that. Yo, it's Carrie: Right, his reaction indicates something, but okay, okay. Okay. Todd: I don't know what. It may have just been but we have to remember that everything that that has happened in the world since Noah it came over on the boat in humanity with Noah and with his kids. You know Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Right. Mm-hmm. Todd: what I mean? It just all of it. Yo, it's Carrie: I mean, I can I can imagine Ham walking out, you know, being like the brother. Is he the middle? He's the middle. I can imagine him being the brother who comes out and says, Guys, you won't believe this like dad is wrecked. He's naked. Todd: Well that but that would be the most innocent and it wouldn't make Yo, it's Carrie: I know, I'm just saying. Todd: sense with curse with the curse that comes on. Yo, it's Carrie: But to mock but I I feel like at that time to mock your father instead of to, you know, look out for him and take care of him. I'm just saying. I'm trying to come up I'm tr Todd: Would cause him to curse you and all the progeny that comes after you as slaves to your brothers? Yo, it's Carrie: I'm trying to come up with something that is not as disturbing. Todd: I mean maybe. Yo, it's Carrie: I don't want to be disturbed that way. Okay. Todd: Well, I feel like it must have been disturbing, or Noah wouldn't have been as disturbed by it is what I feel like. Now, Yo, it's Carrie: All right. Okay. Todd: then I said, okay, this is my thing to rock. I said, when Noah came to with his hangover, Shem and Japheth told him of Ham's depraved dishonor, and Noah cursed his own son. The Spirit of God came on him, and he saw all the hell and depravity the descendants of Ham would poison the earth with. And he cursed his son and his progeny to slavery for their depravity. And Canaan, the Canaanites, became the watchword for humanity that was a blight upon the land. The Canaanites with their orgies and Moloch worship where they'd sacrifice their newborns on the hot irons while the drums played and the orgies were going on. And they were just this was this was but the thing about it is, so I think that's what Noah saw. I think Noah was a had a prophetic gift of sorts. And and in that, whatever happened with Ham, it in in that it became bigger for Noah. And he began to see all that Ham in the lines of Ham, how depraved they would be. And Yo, it's Carrie: Mm. Todd: I think he was just that that that that what what comes out of him is the Spirit of God speaking to Canaan. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm. Todd: But what's interesting is even then Even though Canaan the Canaanites and the land of Canaan becomes this watchword for for humanity that's just depraved, Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: still like the flood, judgment doesn't have the last word. God redeems the land of Canaan. That becomes the promised land. It's it becomes Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: a type of heaven. Do you know what I mean? Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Yeah, I was gonna say my impression of of the l you know, of Canaan is a positive one and I'm sitting here thinking, Do I just have my wires crossed? Okay. Todd: That's because God redeemed it on later on, but but as it began, you know, when he's sending the child the the children of Israel and they're finally after their forty years of wandering the desert, they're finally going in. Noah's or not Noah, Moses has just died and Joshua's leading him into the promised land to conquer. Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: He tells them to kill all. Don't leave anyone left. Cause if you leave any of the Canaanites left, you're gonna intermarry with them and you're gonna pick up their practices and Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: you're gonna be And you'll just be depraved just like them. And that's exactly what ended up happening. So it's exactly what happened. But so anyway Yo, it's Carrie: Just continue all of yeah, continue all of the no, it did. Shoot. It makes me it makes me wonder, Todd, if I mean, let's say this is let's say Ham is not as righteous as his other sons. He would have known this before the flood. And it makes me Todd: I think so, yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: it makes me wonder and well and yeah, he was a grown he was a grown man and had a family already, I yes. Todd: I think they all knew it about him. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. So if that's the case, it makes me curious if Noah questioned at any point. This is this is all this is us on Beers with Jesus just talking about Todd: Ha ha ha. Yo, it's Carrie: like, hey, what if and what do you think? 'Cause I'm I'm trying to imagine this in real life. Todd: Right. Yo, it's Carrie: These are human beings and it makes me wonder if Noah would have questioned should Ham come along? Todd: Yeah, I think that probably entered his mind. Possi it possibly did. I shouldn't say probably. I think it possibly Yo, it's Carrie: Isn't that sad? Sure, yeah. Yeah, potentially. Todd: entered his mind because I just can't believe a pr a curse like this doesn't come out of nowhere. It doesn't seem like to Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: me. I mean, unless it's raw prophecy and it's just the spirit of God taking somebody over. But it doesn't it doesn't really read that way. You know what I mean? Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Okay. Wow. Todd: but I think it's possible at least, it's it's possible that that God's coming down really hard on what Canaan is going to become. There you know what I was taught? This is this is some crazy for you guys. Because in the King James version, it says something along the line of God darkened Ham's face when it refers to the curse. And and I don't it's not here, I think it's in the New Testament someplace. But anyway, it says D God darkened Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: Ham's face. And they and if you look at at where the countries came from. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm. Todd: a lot of Africa came from ham. I was taught black people came from ham. Which I think is crazy, but that's what I was taught. I think that's crazy. Yo, it's Carrie: no That's nuts That's like in the in the eighties and nineties. Todd: Although I do think that vet that whatever, it seems Yo, it's Carrie: eighties. Todd: like Shem was the you know the father of the of the Jews. Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: And maybe of a lot of the Middle Eastern kind of Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: places because Ishmael Abraham's son, Abraham had had other sons that weren't Isaac, that became great nations. And so you assume they're kind of all over the Middle East. And then Ham kind of in Africa, and then Japheth was kinda where we would come from, which would be like Europeans, Nordic, that kind of thing. So Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Got it. Todd: vaguely I think that's what where'd Asians come from? I have no idea. I really have no idea. Or at least I mean Yo, it's Carrie: That's wild. So Todd: like the Far East. Yo, it's Carrie: okay. the thing that I that I found kind of shocking in the in the severity of the curse is like anyone who has siblings or has multiple kids, you know, you you don't like it's kind of it's bad parental form to compare them out loud. Todd: Mm-hmm. Yo, it's Carrie: I mean, I believe that. Todd: And to tell him one's gonna s be a slave to the other? Yo, it's Carrie: Well, yes, what I found shocking in this and like in its severity is that not only is he cursing Ham and his and and everyone, you know, who comes after him, but he's praise in the curse, blessing and praising his two brothers. You know, blessed we got Todd: it's interesting. It Yo, it's Carrie: the God of Sh you know, God of Shem, basically saying Todd: He doesn't really curse Ham, he curses Canaan, Ham's son. Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah, true. And but he pro you know, prosper this brother. Bless right. It's just Todd: But yet he compares Canaan to Shem and Japheth. It's weird, yeah, you're right. Yo, it's Carrie: anyway, it's wild. Yeah, that's tough. Todd: So I I don't know what's going on, but I I do think it now if we just look at it from an overall story standpoint, I th Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah, you're right. He's case he's cursing sh sorry. He's cursing his brother Todd: Canan, yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: his son, not him. Todd: Yeah. I I don't I that's why I think he he was it was a moment of of somewhat prophetic where he's looking out in the spirits he's he can kind of see all that's gonna become of the Canaanite sin. And Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. So you think it was him simply revealing it it wasn't like Noah's desire to speak this Todd: Right. Yo, it's Carrie: over his this f branch of his family tree. He was just revealing what was Todd: I think maybe God gave him a moment Yo, it's Carrie: Oof. Todd: a a hangover moment of of insight, of spiritual Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah, it's awful. It's awful. Todd: insight to be able to see all that that this wickedness would become. And I think that that he was a little the it was God's the Spirit of God speaking through him. That's what I think. I don't know, but Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. That that kind of fits this scene in my opinion. Todd: Whatever happened or didn't happen with Ham in the tent. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Todd: It there was some I think some wires crossed with Ham. and Yo, it's Carrie: Wow. Todd: certainly he didn't care about his father's I mean, the the the the bigger thing here is that nobody's perfect. I mean it's very Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: we're gonna f we will find that all through. Like all through all the stories. Doesn't matter whether you're old testament or whether you're new, you're gonna be like, man, these are a lot of flawed people that God chose for some reason. Well Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. They're super regular people. Todd: Like Noah seems amazing and he builds this ark and he's the only one in an entire sea of humanity that God approves of and the and that becomes intimate with God. And the last story we have of him is on his back naked in his tent 'cause he got drunk off wine. It just shows you that Yo, it's Carrie: And he curses his grandson and all of his descendants. Todd: That that it's a mess. That the flood didn't change the underlying fact that humanity was kind of a mess and kind of broken. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: You know? Yo, it's Carrie: So now do we get to talk about the the rainbow and the new covenant? Todd: Yeah. Yeah, now we can switch Yo, it's Carrie: We're gonna we're gonna do this in the right order. Todd: Yeah. No, we can do the beginning of nine, 'cause I think the beginning of nine is is great. I I Yo, it's Carrie: Uh-huh. Todd: I do think it's good that God, you know, we're left with what we're left with and we're not we don't forget that there's a frailty among people. So maybe Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: we always keep our mind that, you know, take take heed lest you fall, right? That's what God tells the the proud. So but I think it's pretty awesome what God comes up with at the beginning. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: I what I loved is that he starts right off again with the with with his command same same thing he told Adam and Eve, which is prosper, reproduce, fill Yo, it's Carrie: Yep. Todd: the earth, just just live lavishly. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. It's the same and kind of talking about all the creatures again like he did when when Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: he first created the earth, it really is like a like a fresh start just like the Garden of Eden was, you know, to the whole thing. Todd: Yeah. And clearly there's gonna be a difference in the relationship between man and animals than there had been previously. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm. Todd: I mean now God's given man all the animals to eat for food whenever he wants. So we Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: got our steaks and our shrimp you know, we got everything that's so amazing to eat. Yo, it's Carrie: What what does he mean except for me this isn't a major thing, but what does he mean by don't eat meat with its lifeblood still in it? Meaning Todd: You what I think he's mostly talking about is is is the focus there is mostly on blood, the consumption of blood. Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Okay. Todd: Cause I I I ran that through Groc and I said, Is there anything in modern times that even kind of comes close to this? And they said, Not really with modern because we drain everything with modern butchery and Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Okay, gotcha. Todd: it's mostly about the this the kind of pagan practice of of consuming blood, I think. Yo, it's Carrie: Got it. Okay. Todd: So it'd be like our our news segment, baby's blood or no baby's blood. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. It's a good segue. Todd: Ha ha ha. That drops on Tuesdays, guys. I think our latest one was Katie Kirk and we decided she's probably not drinking baby's blood. She'd look a little better. Yo, it's Carrie: Think so. I'm relieved. I'm relieved she's not. That's good. Todd: So I think I do think it's talking about that. So you kind of your pagan sacrifices. So God's taken the idea of blood and Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Mm-hmm. Todd: he's gonna reserve that eventually more in the sacrificial system and Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: as an atonement for sins, and then of course it's gonna go into Jesus on the cross. So Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Okay. Todd: I think that's what he's talking about there. I don't think it has I don't think for most of us, if we're not on Epstein's island, I don't think we have to worry about it. Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: Like you're not probably doing drinking blood or you know what I mean, generally. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Right. Todd: and then he put he he he he reaffirms that there's a he that whole thing with man with with kind Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: of a distinction between man and animals, he reaffirms that man is is unique. The uniqueness of man is being created in God's image. Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Todd: And he's gonna hold either animal or humans accountable, either he is or we are. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: And that's true. That that that has happened. Like if you have a a wolf that goes haywire and starts killing people out west, Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: they hunt down the wolf and they kill it. They do Yo, it's Carrie: Mm. Todd: the same thing with lions or bears or you get a you get a wild animal that gets a taste for manflesh. They kill it. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Right. Todd: Just like we do with theoretically we do with people. I mean that I don't know. This would be the this would be one of the primary beginnings of capital punishment, like a proof text for capital punishment. Yo, it's Carrie: Well, it's interesting though because he says, I will avenge. God is saying that. God's saying that God will avenge Todd: Yeah. He sa he says that Yo, it's Carrie: it. Todd: but then he says whoever sheds human blood by humans let his blood be shed. You know what I mean? Yo, it's Carrie: Mm. Todd: And so it's like God's gonna avenge it, but he's gonna avenge it through human government, I think is is the idea. In other words, it's Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: not just vigilante vigilante justice. You know what I mean? I think. Yo, it's Carrie: Sure. I think the argument could be made there. but I feel like I feel like God wants to do that himself. Todd: And he does a lot. I think we have to trust that God most of it when it says that, you know, it says vengeance is mine, I Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: says the Lord. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: that yeah, most of the time it is God, the ultimate source of justice is God. We try down here, but we don't we don't do a great job. But Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Todd: we do we do better than you know, there there's times where it's better than not, obviously. So Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. In the movies it's fun. In real life it's kind of like, that's it's tricky. Todd: It doesn't. Yo, it's Carrie: Different sides to the stories, you know? So Todd: Yeah. So I think the the most important verse in the whole thing, this whole passage to me, Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Mm-hmm. Todd: is when he says you're here to bear fruit, reproduce, lavish life on earth, live bountifully. A part of that is have kids and and have a family. Part of that. But I don't think that's all of that. I just think it I think that's that's the most on the nose obvious thing. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: And it's true that that the more kids you have, the the larger family that you have, Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: that the more people you have to hopefully bear fruit, to live lavishly. You know what I mean? It's it's multiplication, Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: which I think is what God's after is multiplication. But it's not just multiplication of kids, it's multiplication of of faith. It's multiplication, I think of the gifts of the Spirit. We're here to bear fruit. You know? Yo, it's Carrie: Right. To glorify him in our bountiful living and lavish living. Todd: Yeah, but to live lavishly, like I think God w when when people get stuck on this, we got a list of rules and we gotta do this and this is what following God's all about, I think he's like, No, no, no, right at the beginning I told you just I want you to live lavishly. I'm trying to direct you on how to do that because you don't know the best way. Your your instincts are all kinda upside down. You're gonna think you're gonna go one way to live lavishly and you're gonna find that's all empty. And I'm just telling you this is the way. You know what I mean? But it's Yo, it's Carrie: I mean, you're talking about like holy lavish h wholly lavish living. Todd: Well I think in general, like I'm gonna go to Galatians. Galatians Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: five is where it talks about the fruit of the spirit. This is because most people are not used to the message, this is not gonna sound like your typical fruit of the spirit passage. All right. Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: But it's good. I just but Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: but but I'm gonna I'm gonna start out. He says, he he he says, but what happens when we live God's way? And he's kind of he's comparing When we w when you when you go after your own selfish ambitions, he gives a whole list and he says this is what happens. What kind of life develops out of trying to get your own way all the time? Repetitive, loveless, cheap sex, a stinking accumulation of mental and emotional garbage, frenzied and joyless grabs for happiness. Pretty on the nose. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm. Todd: Trinket gods, magic show religion, Sunday show. Look at that. Yo, it's Carrie: Sunday show. Todd: Eugene Peterson channeling me before I even said it. Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: Wow. God Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: works in mysterious ways. Paranoid loneliness, cutthroat competition, all consuming yet never satisfied wants. Yo, it's Carrie: yeah. Todd: A brutal temper, an impotence to love or be loved. Divided homes and divided lives, small minded and lopsided pursuits like Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: golf or travel baseball just I'm just saying. That's what it's talking about. If Yo, it's Carrie: Are these the random examples? Okay. Travel based. Todd: you do travel baseball, you're in sin. No, I'm just kidding. The Yo, it's Carrie: Life is empty. Todd: vicious habit of depersonalizing everyone into a rival Yo, it's Carrie: Mm Todd: That sounds like American politics on steroids. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: Uncontrolled and uncontrollable addictions. That's what makes me think that's what it's talking about with gluttony and drunkenness. Ugly Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: parodies of community. And then he says I could go on. So Paul's talking about that. But and then this is his fruit of the spirit. He says, Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: if you use your freedom this way, because before Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: that he's talking about how we we were made for a free life. And if you use your freedom to chase this road. you won't inherit God's kingdom. Like that's not the way. That's not Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: the direction. So then this is the fruit of the spirit passage. Right. That's only gonna lead to emptiness. Yo, it's Carrie: That's not the kind of lavish that he's talking about. Okay. It's it's not like just looking for everything that you you know, you want Todd: Right. Yo, it's Carrie: at the at that base level. Okay. Todd: So then he's gonna tell us how to I in my opinion, this is God expanding on Genesis. Like Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: thousands of years later, but he's given us, hey, this is how you live lavishly. Let me add a little more meat to the bone for you. Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Okay. Yeah. Todd: but what happens when we live God's way? He brings gifts into our lives, much the same way that fruit appears in an orchard. We've read this a few times. Things like affection for others, exuberance about life, serenity. We develop a willingness to stick with things, a sense of compassion in the heart, and a conviction that a basic holiness permeates things and people. We find ourselves Yo, it's Carrie: Hm, that's beautiful. Todd: involved in loyal commitments, not needing to force our way in life, able to marshal and direct our energies wisely. And I think that's Like so good. Now, if you took your typical fruit of spirit passage, it'd be like joy, love, fruit. You know what I mean? It's it's and he he expands on them a little, but it's the Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Yep. That's beautiful. Todd: same thing. And I in my opinion, I think that's what he's talking about. I think that that's what God is calling us to. He's calling us to more, not less. Even Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: though it looks the opposite of that, because it i in our natural states, we want to pursue as much money as we can get and as much success as we can get in in Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: everything. Becomes hollow. Every because the next thing we think, well, well, maybe I'll put my ladder against the next building. That'll be okay. And we keep finding it's hollow. And Jesus says, I've come to put everything upside down, right side up. Here's the problem: you don't know what you're doing. Like I created you for way more than this. I created you to love and you don't even know how to love. Because you're so consumed with yourself. And you can't even Yo, it's Carrie: Got it. Todd: know how to love unless you first Give yourself up to me and let me do some remodel work. Let me get you to where you can love. Yo, it's Carrie: Where is that in Galatians? What chapter is that? Todd: Galatians five Yo, it's Carrie: Five. Okay. I'm just gonna mark this because I like that. The life of freedom. Nice. Wow. Todd: Yeah. So what do you think, Kerry? Yo, it's Carrie: I think that is well, I I think that's a really powerful contrast that he's laid out. And I feel like it's so relevant today. It's really easy. and I suppose people can say this all throughout history. You know, we hear a long time ago, you know, two generations ago, old people were saying, You know, kids, everything's just moving so fast and you know Todd: All right. Yo, it's Carrie: So maybe it's always the same, but I do think it's simple for us today to look at the way the things that we're distracted by and the things that we are just drawn to and the the way we spend our time. Like so easily. I think it's very Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: easy to see that in that list that you just shared in Galatians. Todd: And it gets all out of balance. Yo, it's Carrie: It does. So so I'm trying to so now I'm trying to connect it here with this. and what you're saying is bear fruit. Todd: When he says you're here to bear fruit, reproduce, lavish life on the earth and to live bountifully. I think all Paul's doing is he's putting he's putting a little muscle on that bone, on that skeleton. Do you know what I mean? Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Right. Todd: He's just he's giving us a little more. He's saying, Listen, this is let's let's put this into into how's this look in the Christian life to live lavishly? Because that's what Jesus Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: called us to. He called us to life. And life more abundant and free. There's a hymn I think that says that. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. okay. Todd: Chuck would be sad that I don't remember off top of my head. Yo, it's Carrie: Aww Send the title chuck. Well and this is this is the perfect time for him to remind them of that because obviously everything was screwed up. God said Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: no one's no one's living the way that I made them for. And so Todd: Right. Yo, it's Carrie: he flooded the earth, destroyed everybody except a few, and he's like, All right, let's you know, take two. Let's Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: try this again. This is what I want you to do. Todd: But his purpose is the same. Multiply, reproduce, Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Mm-hmm. Todd: make your life, your life should end bigger than it starts. Maybe is a is a good way to think of it. You should touch Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: more people. There should be more people who think, I'm glad they were alive. I'm glad they touched me. I'm glad they cared about me. You know what I mean? And Yo, it's Carrie: Mm. Mm-hmm. Todd: and in that way we multiply. Like that guy at the bar, and it could be in like the most Innocent like not innocent, the most small, like just kind Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: of drive by ways, you know, like the drive by media. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: Like you did at the bar. Where it's Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: just like a small drive by. You don't know where that seed goes, but you Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: trust that God takes the seed. That you're we're not responsible for what happens with the seed, we're just responsible for the scattering. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: And to care enough about somebody, which is what you did. The only reason you share that with somebody is if you actually care about to some extent. I mean, you know, a little bit. Like like you've listened to enough to to think, you know, I I care Yo, it's Carrie: Right. No, I totally did. Right. Todd: about you and you're screwed up. You gotta You gotta turn around, dude. Yo, it's Carrie: Well, and it's and it well I was gonna say he's in like he's in a bad place. He's in a bad place. So it's like do you pray? Obviously I don't like plunk down next to guys at the bar and be like, Hey, do you pray? Are you do Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: you know Jesus? I really don't do that. But but I realized after that conversation it was it was just the right place to to start because obviously, Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: you know. So well right. Todd: How else would you seek God? I mean, that's it. Like you're basically telling him, you need to go knocking. You need to go knock on that door for a little bit. See if you can find anybody back there. You know what I mean? And Jesus Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I thought about the knocking when I said it too. I was like, I was like, Yeah, I don't want to be dramatic and be like Mm. It is. Todd: But that's basically what you're saying. I mean, in in so many words, when you tell somebody to pray, you're saying you need to seek God 'cause if you seek you might be surprised by what you find. You know. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. He's not gonna turn a cold shoulder, like you know, 'cause you're not on good Todd: Right. Yo, it's Carrie: terms. Like that's what it's so easy. I mean. Yeah. Mm Todd: But that's just a small example of a small seed Yo, it's Carrie: hmm. Todd: that is still multiplication, maybe. We never know. We just never Yo, it's Carrie: Right. That's cool. True. Todd: know. And I don't think we will know a lot of I think that we we we a lot of the seeds we plant, this could be even with people close to us. It could be years before Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah, I think so too. Todd: we we see there's so many times that I think and this is people don't respond to this well. But so many times I think the answer is probably just you you probably just oughta pray about that more. But nobody wants to hear that. And I don't want to hear Yo, it's Carrie: Right. I know. Todd: it either. I feel the same way. But I think if we actually understood, if we had some concept of how much change we can actually affect with prayer, I think we'd be astounded. You know what I mean? Compared to all our you know what I mean? Yo, it's Carrie: Yes. I think so too. Well, and you're a prayer. And you're a praying person. Todd: Yeah, but I mean I you know, it's still like Yo, it's Carrie: There's certain things you don't really take take into the prayer. Like that you don't that you don't present. Okay. Okay. Todd: I don't know. No, there isn't. It's but it took me a while to get there. Long, long time to get there. Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: Quite a twisted, bumpy road, gravel road to get there. Was not smooth. Yo, it's Carrie: I always marvel. Yeah. I always marvel at the times when I'm struggling with something and someone will ask, you know, my mom will ask or whatever. Well, are you praying about that? And it's like, my gosh, like I pray about all this stuff, and it's like for some reason I hadn't yet taken Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: this thing that I'm struggling with too. So it it happens. I'll sometimes just forget. You know, things are separated. Todd: Sometimes I'm like Noah and I'm just like in my tent naked. I'm like, tell me tell me tomorrow. Yo, it's Carrie: Who am I cursing when I come out of this den? That's terrible. So he really Todd: Let's try again tomorrow. well. Yo, it's Carrie: emphasizes multiple times that he is never going to destroy the earth with floodwaters. Again, it's very specific, Todd: Yes. Yep. Yeah, he will destroy it probably with fire. Yo, it's Carrie: right? Todd: But it is encouraging that every time it rained because I think I I do think that there I think that would have been in you. If you'd have gone through the flood, I think every time a thunderstorm kicked up, you might have been like, Holy shit, where are we going now? Yo, it's Carrie: Dad got drunk again. This might be it. Todd: Head to the boat. Is that door still shut? But yeah, yeah, Yo, it's Carrie: Right? What'd they do with the ark afterwards? Did it just sit there? Was it just like Todd: I reckon they couldn't do all that. I mean, it's possible that they that they use parts of it, you know, that they I always think well y why won't you salvage some timbers and things for for Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. That's true. Right. Todd: it it depends. If it came to rest on a mountain and then you're moving down you know what I mean? There's a Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: lot of logistics that we don't know. So Yo, it's Carrie: True. But Todd: but Yeah, I think that that that it's encouraging that God after something like that is like, listen, from from now until the very end, it's gonna go on just like this. You don't have to you don't have to be looking behind you every second thinking, maybe the flood is this time like when Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: the rain goes on a little long. You don't have to Yo, it's Carrie: Mm. Cause 'cause you know, as they had kids, they must have told the story. I Todd: yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: mean, this is like you know this story was passed down. Todd: It it makes me wonder if there's something, you know, the that we feel kind of a of an awe at like a massive thunderstorm. Like like that like there's something Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. yeah. Todd: in us that that's that's like in awe of that. And I wonder if if if genetically it goes all the way back. You know what I mean? Like Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: like part of us just knows that was one hell of a storm once upon a time. Like it changed everything. Yo, it's Carrie: Right. my gosh. Have you ever been in a hurricane down south? Or on the east coast? Okay. Todd: No. Mm mm. I've heard they're bad. Or it can be. Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. It's pretty but it but it is also awesome. Like you just I mean, there are people who Steve was like that. I mean, he just wanted to go out and like be in it. Like he wanted to go to the beach and, you know. Todd: There's something about the sheer power that's it's like awe you're awestruck by it almost. Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah, totally. Awestruck, completely. It's wild. It's just, you know, it's not safe necessarily, but you are also just curious about it. Todd: And it's so like it's the same environment that you're in all the time and all of a sudden it's just whipped up to a frenzy. Yo, it's Carrie: Yeah. Todd: You know what I mean? It's wild. Yo, it's Carrie: Yep. Yeah. Mm. Todd: Anyway, I think we did pretty good. Live Yo, it's Carrie: I think so too. Todd: lavishly, guys. Seek God if you haven't. If you're lucky you you might be next to Carrie at the bar and she'll remind you. Go ahead, Carrie. Yo, it's Carrie: I'll remind you. I want I want to ask one other thing or talk about one other thing. When he talks about the eternal, he keeps mentioning the eternal covenant between God Todd: yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: and everything living, every last creature. Because you and I have it's just come up so many times recently about salvation versus damnation. Mm-hmm. Todd: The Eternal Barbecue. Yo, it's Carrie: And yeah, yeah. Todd: What's on the menu today? Yo, it's Carrie: And And I couldn't help but think of those conversations when when you read that. He says, I'll see the, you know, he'll see the rainbow. I'll remember my covenant. Then he says, I'll see it and remember the eternal covenant between God. Eternal. Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: It's like that long ago. He was like, This Todd: Yeah. Yo, it's Carrie: is I just I just think it's another example of of God seeing all the way to the end that Todd: I think you're right. Yo, it's Carrie: that we're his children. And I think his Todd: Yeah. Well, and the other thing is that that that that I think that that Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: as we progress, in other words, once we get to heaven, to use the jargon that's thrown around so much, whether Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Todd: it's true or not, I don't know. But but in the next phases of the journey, eternal life is to know God. And I still think it the whole point is bearing fruit, living lavishly, even as we move on. We're we're we're learning to live more lavishly in God, if that makes sense. We're Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Mm-hmm. Todd: learning to bear more fruit. in God. And and I know that we can't imagine how that works exactly once we take it out of this room. And we don't have to. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: All we have to know is that it seems like prosper, reproduce, multiply in Eden, prosper, reproduce, multiply after the flood, that Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: that that that's what God wants of us. And I don't think there's any reason for that to change. I think that when Jesus comes, he finally makes it possible. He says, Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: listen You've tried and you've tried and you and you wanted your own thing. You wanted to try king, you wanted to try a law, you wanted to try priesthood, you wanted to try all these things. Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Todd: But let's do it this way. And he enables us to live lavishly, to enter into life. In in Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Right. Todd: the word was God, and and the word is life and light, and we enter into all of that with with Christ. And so I think Yo, it's Carrie: Right. Todd: I think it's it's that's the continuing thing. We were created. For more, like Yo, it's Carrie: Yes. Todd: that song that's out there made for more or whatever. It's a worship Yo, it's Carrie: yeah. Todd: song or something. Yo, it's Carrie: But y but you're right. That's exactly right. Love that. Nice. Todd: So yeah. And I agree. I think I think there's a there's a point there that goes what you said, which is what we constantly keep seeing is that judgment doesn't have the last word. So we'll see. That's what we've seen so far. I Yo, it's Carrie: God created us for more than that. Yeah. Todd: suspect that that'll carry on. I suspect that that's part of God's eternality, the the eternal covenant of God with humans Yo, it's Carrie: Mm-hmm. Right. Todd: is that Somehow, judgment doesn't have the last word. Somehow, redemption does. Whatever that means. I don't know exactly what that means. I guess Yo, it's Carrie: Absolutely. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Right. Todd: we'll leave that up to God since He's the one doing both the judging and the redeeming. So we expect he knows what he's doing. Yo, it's Carrie: Definitely. Todd: Awesome. All right, guys. Listen, we'll be back next week. Yo, it's Carrie: Thank you. Todd: Next week I'm excited because next week we're going to do the Tower of Babel. And if if we can Yo, it's Carrie: Ooh yay. Todd: work it out, I'd like to have. A little bit of an ensemble. I'd like to maybe bring cousin Trevor in and maybe Pastor Daryl and have a bigger Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Cool. Todd: a little bigger Beers with Jesus program Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Todd: maybe than we normally do. Might be a little longer. If we have more people on, you know, you want to get people? Yo, it's Carrie: Is this the first that they are hearing that? okay. Todd: No, I mentioned it to Trevor. I think I mentioned it to Pastor Drill, but I can't remember. but we Yo, it's Carrie: Okay. Well that'll be really cool. Todd: gotta see if we can work out the logistics of all that. So but the Tower of Babel would be next week, and I'm excited about it. we're gonna I I Yo, it's Carrie: Sounds good. Action pack Genesis, Todd. I I didn't even know. Todd: I think the Tower of Babel is a kind of a picture of human organization and institutionalism. I'll leave it at that for next week. We'll Yo, it's Carrie: Ooh, okay. Todd: we'll we'll we'll explore it more from there. All Yo, it's Carrie: Love it. Sounds good. Todd: right guys check out news if you haven't. Toddsworld.net is where all the books are and you trust me you'll love the books. Check any of the books Yo, it's Carrie: Books are good. 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