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WHEN THE BELL RINGS | Ep. 7: Kory & Justin on Raja Jackson, AEW Forbidden Door, NXT Heatwave, Clash at the Castle update, wasted potential · The Recess Bell

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  Speaker 2: feels special? They bring the freaking bell. Welcome to another
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  Speaker 2: edition of When the Bell Rings. I am your host,
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  Speaker 2: Corey David now joining me today we have a special guest,
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  Speaker 2: my guy.
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  Speaker 1: The Man, the myth, the legend, the man of the hour,
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  Speaker 1: too Sweet to be sour, the one and only Justin Greenberg.
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  Speaker 2: Why did I why did? I just wanted to go.
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  Speaker 1: Back? You know, I had to fill in, But I'm
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  Speaker 1: happy to be here, Corey. I did one episode earlier.
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  Speaker 1: We talked about the legacy of Hulk Hogan, But now
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  Speaker 1: we're back to talk to some other stuff that.
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  Speaker 2: That was a good episode.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, there was some technical as.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, the first you know we got we know, well,
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  Speaker 2: we need some first take guys, I guess what. We
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  Speaker 2: knocked it out in the first take. Yeah, and even
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  Speaker 2: in our second take it was still good.
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  Speaker 1: It was redeemable. We salvaged it. But everything seems to
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  Speaker 1: be recording now, so, uh, we're good to go on
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  Speaker 1: this edition and we're gonna have some fun, but we're
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  Speaker 1: also gonna get to some controversial stuff and we got
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  Speaker 1: some fun retro topics that we're going to get to
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  Speaker 1: as well, which is my specialty.
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  Speaker 2: How you feeling, man, how's that thing going with you life?
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  Speaker 2: I was like, treating life is all right.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we're recording this. It's the end of the summer,
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  Speaker 1: which is always a little depressing. I'm excited for September though.
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  Speaker 1: I love me some football, so I'm excited to see
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  Speaker 1: the start of the NFL season. And what I love
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  Speaker 1: to just bring this back to wrestling is my nephew
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  Speaker 1: is huge into the world of pro wrestling, okay, and
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  Speaker 1: we're showing him all the retro stuff and he is
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  Speaker 1: so knowledgeable. He watches YouTube video, so he knows all
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  Speaker 1: this stuff. I'm just naming a random wrestler. He knows
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  Speaker 1: their finisher, movie, knows their signature move.
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  Speaker 2: So who's his favorite, who's his favorite current wrestling, who's
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  Speaker 2: his favorite retro old school wrestler?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I guess you could say, it's sort of one
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  Speaker 1: and the same. It would be Jeff Hardy. He loves
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  Speaker 1: the Hardy Boys.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so we got Jeff Hardy. So that's like that's late,
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  Speaker 2: that's like late attitude of aggression type of area.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Is there any people from the eighties?
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  Speaker 1: He line, Yes, there's there's quite a few, but I'd
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  Speaker 1: say his favorite is the Machu Man years. He loves
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  Speaker 1: the costumes, he loves the over the topness, he loves
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  Speaker 1: his in ring.
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  Speaker 2: Style, he loves the theme.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's very important for a young person.
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  Speaker 1: That's the wrestlers I got into as a kid always
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  Speaker 1: had like a classic sort of theme song. Believe it
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  Speaker 1: or not, my favorite wrestler growing up was the British Bulldog,
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  Speaker 1: which is so random because by the time I started
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  Speaker 1: watching wrestling, he was a heel, so he wasn't even
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  Speaker 1: a baby face. It was ninety five, late ninety five,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, he was a bad guy, and I
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  Speaker 1: just liked the fact that he was probably the most
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  Speaker 1: jacked guy on the roster at the time. I liked
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  Speaker 1: his color scheme I grew up. Believe it or not, Corey,
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  Speaker 1: You're not gonna believe this. I think You know, though
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  Speaker 1: I was a Drew Bletsoe Patriots fan. I love the
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  Speaker 1: Patriots when I was a kid, so I love the
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  Speaker 1: blue and red, that color scheme. And I think that's
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  Speaker 1: also why I liked the British Bulldog, because he wore
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  Speaker 1: you know, the Union jack and on top of it,
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  Speaker 1: the theme song was very important to me as well.
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  Speaker 1: He had the classic rule Britannia.
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  Speaker 2: Very regal, very real.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And I think my nephew likes Macho Man
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  Speaker 1: for all of those reasons. The bright colors, the larger
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  Speaker 1: than life costumes, and.
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  Speaker 2: I think when it came when it when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to British bullthough, the only time, like I really like,
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  Speaker 2: I really got into him was when he's in the
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  Speaker 2: Heart Dynasty, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The Hart Foundation back in the ninety seven.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, when everybody clicked up in him and Owen with
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  Speaker 2: Tag Team Partners.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I mean, looking back at it, Bulldog had
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  Speaker 1: some things that he did very well, but he also
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  Speaker 1: was his worst enemy. He did not live up to
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  Speaker 1: his potential, which is something we'll be talking about later on.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I already know I'm blaming for that one.
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  Speaker 1: I'm blaming a few people for that. Who are you
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  Speaker 1: gonna blame for that Eric Bischoff for his w c
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  Speaker 1: W run.
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  Speaker 2: Not for his WCW run, but for what happened in
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  Speaker 2: his WCW run. You remember, Yeah, the trap door that
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  Speaker 2: was that that they didn't tell him about. Yeah, he
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  Speaker 2: messed his back up, which then led him to be
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  Speaker 2: in on a.
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  Speaker 1: Pay I'll tell you this, Corey, somebody that read a book,
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  Speaker 1: because I read my first and only book as an adult.
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  Speaker 1: I read Brett Hart's autobiography. British Bulldog was messed up
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  Speaker 1: way prior to that incident. He used that as an
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  Speaker 1: excuse to abuse drugs. In fact, British Bulldog was on crack.
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  Speaker 1: He was on a cracked bender leading up to his
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  Speaker 1: Wembley match versus bredon ninety two.
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  Speaker 2: That's you know when people say like they some wrestlers
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  Speaker 2: do drugs. Yeah, okay, coke. I can understand weed, I
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  Speaker 2: can understand how do you do crack? Like right? That
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  Speaker 2: to me? Once you get to crack level, that's that's
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  Speaker 2: doing a little too much for me.
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  Speaker 1: It seems like I might be wrong on this, but
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  Speaker 1: it seems like crack is like not a wealthy drug.
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  Speaker 1: Like when you think of people doing crack, you think
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  Speaker 1: of them maybe being on the street like rich people
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  Speaker 1: you would think would do like cocaine.
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  Speaker 2: I was watching The Cowboys Gambler, the documentary on Netflix.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, how is that?
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  Speaker 2: It's not I thought they would dive more into like
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  Speaker 2: the state of the Cowboys. Now Yeah, it's more so
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  Speaker 2: focused on just the truplets. That's it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh so did they talk about Michael Irvin?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, that's the thing. There was an instance when
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  Speaker 2: they was when he delved into this whole episode about
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  Speaker 2: him and his drug trial and everything like that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, he had like a gulf size bull
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  Speaker 2: crack rock. I'm like, and he keeps showing this, he
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  Speaker 2: keeps showing this crack rock. I'm like, what makes you
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  Speaker 2: even like one? Why would you buy something that big?
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  Speaker 2: Like to smoke? And I'm just like, nah, that that.
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  Speaker 2: Once you get to crack, it's a it's a whole
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  Speaker 2: new thing.
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot of these athletes and wrestlers as well,
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  Speaker 1: they surround themselves with the wrong people. So once they
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  Speaker 1: get to the next level, a lot of athletes can't
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  Speaker 1: drop the people that were on the streets with them,
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  Speaker 1: and then they enable them and they feel like they're
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  Speaker 1: entitled to some of their money and some of their
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  Speaker 1: you know, habits.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's just they just like the party as well.
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  Speaker 2: The basic sample of that. Unfortunately, one of my goats,
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  Speaker 2: HVK Shawn Michaels.
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  Speaker 1: Was a cocage Yes, yes he was, but he, you know,
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  Speaker 1: overcame that. Bulldog Unfortunately, like you mentioned, WCW was sort
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  Speaker 1: of the tipping point. He had that injury, fell on
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  Speaker 1: the trap door for that Warrior match back in October
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  Speaker 1: ninety eight.
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  Speaker 2: And then I felt as though booking actually kind of
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  Speaker 2: messed him up when he came back. You remember, they
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  Speaker 2: had him in a dysfunctional rock triple eh Sonny, Yeah, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, I didn't get what the fuck that was.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was. You know, it's so weird. You just cursed.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, we're allowed to curse, and
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  Speaker 1: you rarely cursed. So I'm shocked at you.
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  Speaker 2: Corey.
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  Speaker 1: Uh Yeah. But I think Bulldog was already if you
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  Speaker 1: look at him in ninety eight, even leading up to
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  Speaker 1: that match, he was a shell of his former self.
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  Speaker 1: He never took care of himself.
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  Speaker 2: No, that was that could have been ninety eight, had
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  Speaker 2: been that had been ninety nine.
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  Speaker 1: Ninety eight. I'm talking about with the Warrior thing leading
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  Speaker 1: up to the Warrior match. You know where he fell
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  Speaker 1: on a trap door in a match versus Alex Right
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  Speaker 1: and Disco Inferno is a tag team match that was
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  Speaker 1: at Halloween Havoc ninety eight. But that whole year of
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  Speaker 1: ninety eight, he was having Stinker after Stinker. He was
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  Speaker 1: not in shape. He was, you know, having shitty matches
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  Speaker 1: with Mango, and just like he was not taking care
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  Speaker 1: of himself. He did himself no justice. And on top
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  Speaker 1: of it, Bulldog was never a good promo. That was
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  Speaker 1: sort of his achilles heel. He couldn't really get to
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  Speaker 1: that next level maybe without a manager. He was good
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  Speaker 1: having Jim Cornett when he was on the tag team.
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  Speaker 1: If he was ever going to be world Champion Bulldog,
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  Speaker 1: it would have been after ninety two, after the whole
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  Speaker 1: Wembley Match thing. But he got fired by the end
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  Speaker 1: of ninety two as well for doing drugs. So he
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  Speaker 1: was his own worst enemy for his entire career.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. True. Uh, that is like a great opening for
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  Speaker 2: what we're going to talk about latest kind of get
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  Speaker 2: into Tiso. The main the main topic of today's show
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  Speaker 2: is wasted potential, whether it be booking, or whether it
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  Speaker 2: be things that have infled they've inflicted upon himself, or
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  Speaker 2: injuries or injuries. What what stopped certain wrestlers from reaching
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  Speaker 2: their full potential? As we'll dive into that later. But
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  Speaker 2: to get into more current day topics. One of the
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  Speaker 2: most touching and I mean one of the most touchy
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  Speaker 2: subjects in today's society, I mean today's society of wrestling
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  Speaker 2: and like the most popular topic is the Rajah Jackson
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  Speaker 2: Knox pro situation.
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  Speaker 1: This was insane. This The only thing that this reminded
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  Speaker 1: me of is what New Jack used to do back
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  Speaker 1: in the.
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  Speaker 2: Day, the mass.
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  Speaker 1: Mass transit incident and then another incident where he stabbed
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  Speaker 1: somebody as well. Did you see, of course we have
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  Speaker 1: the we have the telephone going off. I don't even
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  Speaker 1: know why there's a functioning telephone in this studio, but
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  Speaker 1: out or leave it in cares.
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  Speaker 2: But no. The craziest thing is Dave Meltz said this
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  Speaker 2: was this was actually worse.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've read this is the most disgraceful thing he's
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  Speaker 1: pretty much seen in the in the pro wrestling ring,
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  Speaker 1: which is saying something because Meltzer has been covering wrestling
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  Speaker 1: since the seventies.
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  Speaker 2: Described what to give context of what happened. Raja Rajah
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  Speaker 2: Jackson's son of m M A legend Rampage Jackson was
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  Speaker 2: at a pro wrestling event promoted by Knox Pro and
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  Speaker 2: in it he had an incident an incident with us
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  Speaker 2: a professional wrestler Cycle Stu before his match where Cycle
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  Speaker 2: Stu with a gimmick uh uh gimmick can smashed it
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  Speaker 2: over his head. I believe he thought this was a
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  Speaker 2: working and part of the show. You can see videos
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  Speaker 2: later of him apologizing and said We're gonna do work later.
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  Speaker 1: All of this is being streamed on kick so there's
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  Speaker 1: like two hours plus of evidence.
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  Speaker 2: And so then remember a wrestler in the back staide,
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna get you get back, right, we'll talk about
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  Speaker 2: that wrestling the suit second. But he's like, are you
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  Speaker 2: going to get your get back your receipt in the ring,
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  Speaker 2: And so you see Raja is in the front row
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  Speaker 2: to fucking basically about what he's going to do when
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  Speaker 2: says he better not punched back because I'm gonna keep
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  Speaker 2: going until until he just basically said I'm gonna just
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  Speaker 2: keep firing on him.
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  Speaker 1: Until they pulled me off. I'm gonna just knock this
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  Speaker 1: guy into another galaxy.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what he proceeded to do. He jumped into
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  Speaker 2: the ring, lifted cycle stew Up slammed him.
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  Speaker 1: He was knocked out right away.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, when many people believe that he was unable to
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  Speaker 2: defend himself. He was knocked un conscious and he just
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  Speaker 2: Raja just kept obliterating him with punches.
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  Speaker 1: Over twenty Haymakers without anybody stepping in really to help
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  Speaker 1: this guy. I have so many issues with this.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know what the most one of the most
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  Speaker 2: disgraceful things about that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know exactly where you're going.
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  Speaker 2: They didn't have the decency to end the mets.
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  Speaker 1: They they they pinned them, They pinned them. It's insane.
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  Speaker 1: I found that out the next day, and it just
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  Speaker 1: shows how carneye this company is and how second rate
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  Speaker 1: this is. There's so many things to break down with
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  Speaker 1: this thing, Corey. So first of all, I don't like
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  Speaker 1: the idea, and I am so anti Rajar Jackson in
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  Speaker 1: this thing, but I don't like the idea of an
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  Speaker 1: outsider being backstage Rajar Jackson and Psycho Stu just going
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  Speaker 1: up to him and hitting him with a gimmicked can.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that should have been done, especially Rajah
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  Speaker 1: Jackson has no idea about the wrestling industry, and he's
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  Speaker 1: dealing with a concussion, so he can have post concussion syndrome,
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  Speaker 1: he can have a completely just altered state of thinking
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  Speaker 1: at this point. So I don't know why that was done.
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  Speaker 1: Now there's rumors that maybe Psycho what the hell is
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  Speaker 1: his name Stu was was set up and he was
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  Speaker 1: sort of told, like, this is an angle, do this.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know why that happened.
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  Speaker 2: Because there has been incidents where like wrestlers and out
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  Speaker 2: people from the outside world, they interact and they set
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  Speaker 2: up an angle. One of the great best examples of
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  Speaker 2: that is Johnny Knoxville and sammy' zay. You know, they
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  Speaker 2: did multiple things that were out of the realm of wrestling,
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  Speaker 2: but it was all to set up an angle. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: you know what's uh No, The most famous case.
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  Speaker 1: Is Jerry Lawler, and that would be a big one.
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  Speaker 1: But it didn't seem like Rajah was in on this
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  Speaker 1: and he got upset like you mentioned. Now, if Rajah
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  Speaker 1: Jackson immediately attacked him right after, I would have no
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  Speaker 1: issue with this. If he got slammed on it a
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  Speaker 1: can on his head, and then attacked him, punched him
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  Speaker 1: a few times and they got broken up. I see
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  Speaker 1: no issue with that. In fact, I would be on
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  Speaker 1: Rajo's side. It's the fact that he premeditated it. And
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  Speaker 1: there's video of this man apologizing saying, oh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: sort of something along the lines of I thought you
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  Speaker 1: were a worker. Why don't we do something with this.
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  Speaker 1: They shook hands, so they set it up. They set
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  Speaker 1: up an angle where.
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  Speaker 2: Because he seemed confused. Once he did, he said, you're
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  Speaker 2: not going.
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  Speaker 1: To sell Yeah, yeah, you're not gonna sell me, you know,
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  Speaker 1: bashing this can over your head. So another issue is,
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  Speaker 1: and this is a big thing that I think is
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  Speaker 1: even just as disgraceful, is the fact that they planned
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  Speaker 1: a spot to happen. They planned for Rajar Jackson to
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  Speaker 1: get his quote revenge. So there was gonna be like
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  Speaker 1: a wrestling tackle and maybe like some few fake punches
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  Speaker 1: being done, but none of that was rehearsed. If you're
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  Speaker 1: doing something with somebody that's never been in a wrestling
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  Speaker 1: ring before, the WWE is so good with stuff like that,
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  Speaker 1: even aw so good with something that if you ever
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  Speaker 1: an outsider, come in, you rehearse your spots.
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  Speaker 2: They usually do it before the show. Hours before the show,
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  Speaker 2: everybody surrounded at the ring and they'll go over what
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  Speaker 2: they need to go over to get the match or
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: whatever they're trying to do perfect. Even Jelly Roll had
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: to go through an XT.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure he was training for weeks on end
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  Speaker 1: for his you know, wrestling moments. So you have a guy,
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  Speaker 1: you just tell a random MMA fighter go in the
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  Speaker 1: ring and get your receipt. He doesn't know how to
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  Speaker 1: throw a working punch. So I mean, not only is
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  Speaker 1: Rajar Jackson an idiot for premeditated attempted murder, the guy
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  Speaker 1: who set this all up, whoever was running the show
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  Speaker 1: that night, whoever was the agent for that match, whoever,
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  Speaker 1: whatever the other wrestlers were saying to Rajah Jackson and Rikishi,
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  Speaker 1: who's a w W Hall of Famer, this is his company,
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  Speaker 1: so this is all on him and all the higher
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  Speaker 1: ups of this company all deserve to never, in my opinion,
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  Speaker 1: be involved in any legitimate pro wrestling thing.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm glad that w W took the affiliation away
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  Speaker 2: from them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were sort of like a minor league system
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  Speaker 1: for them. No ww I D whatever that man, I'm
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: not sure what that is.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, uh, just just to help out certain indie promotions,
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  Speaker 2: give them extra little money so that they can help
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  Speaker 2: help with indie talent, you know, if they need anything.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess trained the future w W E talent
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  Speaker 1: potentially as well.
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  Speaker 2: Not even w W twent because if I remember correctly,
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  Speaker 2: if I'm looking at a lot of these ww I
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  Speaker 2: D guys, a lot of not even on ww television. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: you have the tag. Yeah, it's like you have a
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  Speaker 2: tag and it's like you can actually sign with any
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  Speaker 2: company you want.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you lost that ability. Now you lost a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people's respect. What's really weird is I've seen two
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: people come to a sort of defense of Rajah Jackson.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: I watched a little bit of Rob van Dam, who
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: I love, and he treated me extraordinarily nice, but he
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: was defending Rajah Jackson. Now I did not watch his
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: whole YouTube video. I was getting kind of pissed off
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: about it, honestly. Yeah, I don't get it. I mean
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: he might have smoked too many blunts that day. And
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: then Mark Henry also I was reading about it as
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: well that he was sort of going up against what
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: Psychostu did. I don't think one action necessarily needed to
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: have another reaction to that extent, if I throw a
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: piece of popcorn at you, Corey, you should not be
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: able to punch me a million times in the face.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: That's pretty much what just occurred there.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: And then the one that I can say though, is
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: I'm glad that psycho Stu is upwoke and stable because
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: the thing that was reported was he was choking on
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: his own blood and teeth. I believe he lost several teeth.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: I've read he was flatlining in the ring.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's the initial thing that court me. Somebody
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: said he died.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: I was like, what, Yeah, I mean a lot of
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: it's still not out there because I also heard it's
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: false reports of his health being good. So, like, we
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: don't know everything that's happening right now. As of this recording,
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: LAPD is involved. They are investigating it for attempted murder. Now,
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: obviously this guy being a wealthy individual with his father
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: having a significant amount of fame, especially in the MMA world,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: is that going to help one way or another. Is
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: the fact that he did hit him with the beer
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: can even though it was a worked gimmick. Is that
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: going to play into this court case if it actually
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: goes to court. I mean, there's so much evidence, as
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: we mentioned, he was streaming for two hours talking about
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: what he's going to do. It's all on film for
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: multiple angles, and even the aftermath is on film, and
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: he just seems like an idiot. Did you watch the
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: clip of him being told that Psycho Stu flatlined in
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: the ring and he's just pretty much like, okay, okay, whatever,
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Like he's just the lights are on, but nobody's home
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: with this dude. So I don't know what's gonna happen
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: with this. And then obviously, I mean, this is the
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: elephant in the room that needs to be said. Psycho
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Stu is a white guy. Rajah Jackson is a black guy.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: So there's a lot of discourse online now that's making
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: it a racial thing.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: I see, No, you think that. And I also seen
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: the fact that it was more so with the fact
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: that he's a veteran, Like I was like.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Psycho Stu is a veteran. Yah.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: As soon as I've seen that he's a veteran, they
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: about the they about to get They about to get
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: you my guy. Yeah, there's no defense of it, but
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: uh yeah, that whole situation is very unfortunate, and I
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: hope that somehow, some way that cycle STU was able
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: to un and is able to have a healthy return
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: and is able to whether it be wrestling or anything
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: that he decides to do after this.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Who knows what damage this is gonna do. You don't
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: get punched in the head that money times and there's
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: no damage. I mean, this guy could have issues. Maybe
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: not right away, but ten fifteen years from now. This
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: could lead to CTE. You never know, He's already dealing
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: with PTSD from being a veteran. So the fact is
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: he got into wrestling to take away the mental trauma
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: that he got from war. Now he's gonna have even
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: more trauma on top of all of this. Corey, his
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: mom was in attendance watching this, and there are kids
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: at this wrestling event watching a man attempt to murder
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: on another individual. If he doesn't get any time in jail,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be furious. Yeah, I mean, come on.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: This is this is just reckless and it was unfortunate
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: on all counts and all parties involved.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this should be you know, very interesting in the
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: next couple of months actually what happened, So I'm sure
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: you guys update all of this.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: So like with this, like with his, it's I'm starting
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: to see people are not understanding the art of professional wrestling.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: They're not understanding work shoot relationship. And that leads me
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: to the next thing that's being currently talked about. Becky
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Lynch cut a promo last night. I believe they I
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: forgot where they were at.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Bingham, Yeah, I want to say it was Birmingham.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And she cut a promo. She cut a promo
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: on Nikki Bella, and in it she kind of alluded
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: to the fact that, you know, the last great thing
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: that you had here died recently and he probably glad
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: he's left too. And this led to Kelly, which.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: We know is Ozzy Osbourne, being from Birmingham. Yeah, so yeah,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Kelly Osbourne, the daughter of Ozzy Osbourne, tweeted or actually
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: posted on Instagram. First of all, she tags a fan account.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: The fan account is probably waking up this more line,
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: what did.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: I yeah, so at Becky Lynch dot fan eleven. I mean,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: how dumb are you, Kelly Osborne that you think that's
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: actually Becky Lynch, Uh, you are a disrespectful dirt bag.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Birmingham would not piss on you if you were on fire.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Hashtag Birmingham forever. Shame on the at WWE for allowing
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: such things to be said about my father and this
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: all now unless Kelly's playing into this, I don't like that,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: she said, Shame on w W Weed. That seems like
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: she's not in it.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Well, my thing is my thing about that is it's like, Okay,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: I understand it because you don't want to anybody talking
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: about your family regardless, Like I can understand it from
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: that aspect. But you've had family, You have family. Both
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: your parents have been on row programming and I've seen
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: miscut pro He'll promos on him is basically shitting on him,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: saying you know, I've done things better than your entire
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: career and everything like that, and people act and this
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: is people say, oh, people are shot. I literally seen
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Randy and literally said, Ray, don't look up there for Eddie.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Look down.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you had you had MGF tel Brian Pillman, Junie,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: your falls not in heaven. Your fathers is in hell.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Now it's just cheap.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: It's cheap.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: He had, but just to counter that, and I I'm
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: not pro Kelly Osbourne in this. Those are workers that
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: were in on it, like obviously MGF went up to
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Pilman and obviously you know Eddie and I mean rather
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Ray and uh Orton or friend. So they're in on it.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Now here's the main issue I have. Becky Lynch put
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Ozzie over. He didn't even get besched. Yeah, he said
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: the best thing to come out of Birmingham, and then
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: they sort of just played fun of, you know, the
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: fact that he left Birmingham. Basically what she said was
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: along the lines of, you know, he didn't even want
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: to be here, so he left for Los Angeles. It's
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: simple cheap heat. It's so nothing. I mean, think about
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: some of the bad things that were actually said. Remember
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: when Red Flair died and it was Charlotte and Page
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: that were feuding. Do you remember that? And then she mentioned,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: you know, Charlotte's dead brother, and that got a lot
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: of heat on the internet.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Well, uh, the Tiffany Charlotte situation about her how she
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: has she can't marry and yeah, yeah, yeah, that caught
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: a lot of that. That caught major heat.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: But that I don't even think was planned.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: And I mean there's been stuff with people who have
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: shot on people, and it's like back in the day,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: it'd be some offenses where people like got stabbed, like
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm gonna stab this mother.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, Becky Lynch is old school. Ozzy
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Osbourne is one of the most shocking rock and roll
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: acts of all time, the Prince of Darkness, a man
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: who bit a bat's fucking head off. The fact that
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: his daughter is so soft that she's being offended by
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: something that is putting his dad over in a business
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: that he clearly had an appreciation for. I mean, he
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: walk the British Bulldogs out at WrestleMania. He has been
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: on Raw countless times. He's in their Hall of Fame.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: So it's like Ozzie would have gotten this. He understands
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: it's a show. I don't get that family. The whole
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: family seems a bit out there. So yeah, maybe we
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be letting outsiders into the world of wrestling unless
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: you have a true appreciation like a jelly roll, because
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: look at the beginning of the year, Corey Travis Scott
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: clearly didn't have an appreciation for the world of pro wrestling.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: He's set up in the biggest angle that has been
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: taking place in probably twenty years, and then he just decides,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: I don't not for me. I'm not gonna show up
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: to any of this training. And now all of that
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: means nothing. That entire first half was built around Sina
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: and Travis Scott and the Rock and none of that
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: played out because you let an outsider into the business.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: And totally redconne Yeah.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Hey literally just said never happened.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Never had, never had you know what, the men.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: In Black, the mineralizer, they neuralized.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: The men in Black.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: It Yeah, it's wild, but yeah, I mean some celebrities
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: work in pro wrestling. We've seen it. I'm not a
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: fan of this guy. I think he's a terrible human being.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: But Carmel alone worked in the world of pro wrestling.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Dennis Rodman worked in the world of pro wrestling, Lawrence Taylor,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: even Floyd Mayweather worked in the world.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: You know what the crazy thing is not to go
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: kind of to go back on it, when you look
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: at that situation with him in Big Show. Big Show
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: was like, yes, I'm giving you permission to.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Actually behind me broke the nose.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he said, because he's like because Floyd didn't know
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: how to work it, like, he didn't know how to
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: work it. Ye do a work punch? Do I just
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: do open palm or whatever? He said big shows like no,
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: just hit me. I could take it.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And it made a moment.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: There's some people that can take it, and there's some
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: people that are willing to work it in that shoot
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: type style. Well.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Mcfoley's famous for a match with Vader where he told
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Vader to, you know, essentially fuck him up. And I'm
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: not talking about the ear match, but there's another match
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: where Vader is just pummeling him in the corner and
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: you know, Cactus Jack gave permission to to just you know,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: be unsafe. And some people like to work that way. Others,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: you know, don't like that sort of style. But I think,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: like I said, there's just too many people are being
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: let into the world of pro wrestling, without any knowledge,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: without any respect. And now I think with this Rajah
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Jackson thing, I think we're gonna see less and less
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: of this. You're not allowed in the locker room. That
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: never occurred in the eighties ever. There would never be
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: oh yeah this guy, yeah, let him in the locker room.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: We're just gonna allow him in there into our world. No,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: you had to earn that right, and if you showed
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: the respect and you were willing to work with the company,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: then you got, you know, sort of behind the scenes
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: secrets of how the world works. I think we've overexposed
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: pro wrestling and everything's out there now. There's a whole
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: show on Netflix explaining everything. And I think all these
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: podcasts revealing all the secrets I think has been a
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: downfall of pro wrestling. It's revealing the magic behind it.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: True.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: I wish we could go back to a simpler time.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: You know, remember being surprised by things. It's very rare
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: these days when we're actually shocked that somebody returned or
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: somebody you know, he'll turn.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Because now you got dirt sheets and you have a
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: lot of people that give those information out. So I mean,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: my thing is, if you want to be surprised, you can, Yeah,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: you can, because you just just avoid, just avoid going
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: to those spots that you have those spoilers at.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: It's tough now because you're so just preconditioned to go
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: on e wrestling News dot com. Like when I wake up,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: that's like the second thing I do just look at wrestling.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: I'm looking up, I'm on Twitter, and like you have
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: wrestled Parents, you have Sean Rose, Sap and fight Full,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: you have all these multiple different Dave melts in one.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Or even if you open up Instagram if you're trying
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: to time, but if you're trying to like avoid like
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: a pay per view for instance, and you know, maybe
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: there's like an early pay per view that starts at
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: three pm and you're not able to watch it till
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: a PM. You can't open Instagram because it will be
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: a picture of you know, new champion, like they'll they'll
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: show what it is, and I get a lot of
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: that's on me. I should have the self control to
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: not open the phone. But yeah, I mean the world
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: we're living in, it's just completely different than it was
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: thirty years ago. But I just love the past, man,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: and I think the world of pro wrestling really hasn't
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: been the same in recent years. It's become something that
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: it isn't initially, but it's also making more money than
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: it's ever done. These deals are ridiculous. The Netflix deal,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: the you know, the ESPN deal. These are billions and
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: billions and billions of dollars even the lesser companies are
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: making a ton of money. AW is going to make
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: a ton of money off of their you know, Warner contract.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: So everyone's making more money in the business. But I
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: think we're losing that edge. We're losing that.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Like lose of recipes as.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: We're losing like the tough guys in wrestling too. Think
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: about like even like twenty five years ago, they were
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: just like badasses that you wouldn't want to fuck with
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: in the locker room. I mean, you're Steve Blackman, You're
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Bob Holly's your JBL's Like, where's the tough guys?
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: I think this. I think in each locker room does
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: those guys there's a few of them. Like with an AW,
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: you have to have Bobby Lashing, who's a legit badass.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's also you know, been around for so long.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: What's the next generation of tough guys? Is there really
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: that guy? I think, you know, some of the simoons
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: you could definitely put in there.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: I think I think when you look at like the
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: guys who like they they you respect them, but you
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: know not to really put them because they like they'll
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: respect you up to a certain point. Yeah, Like I
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: think Brona gets to that. I think bron Breaker get
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: to that point.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, I would not want to fuck with him. He's
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: a psycho.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: I think Obafemi, who's Who's Who's a monster. He seemed
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: like a gentle giant, but like one of those guys
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: that are like, you leave me the fuck alone and
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: I don't bother you. But if we have a problem,
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: then we have a fucking problem. Listen.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: It's also a good thing the wrestling industry has evolved,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: because there's countless talents that are dead now because of
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: the way the industry was back in the day, with
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: the reckless drug abuse and yeah, the bullying. You know,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: people shitting in people's gear. It's like, that's not a rib.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: That's like fucking awful to have to travel with shit
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: in your duffel bag or eat a shit sandwich. You know,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Mark Henry literally ate shit. You know that story. Yeah,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Mark Henry got a ship in his sandwich, xbox shit
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: in the sandwich and Mark Henry ate a literal shit sandwich.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: That's why it's referenced. It's referenced in that d X
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: skit when they dress up as the nation which you
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: will not be able to find on Peacock, you know,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: the one when they're in blackface, but they reference eating
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: ship and it's all because of he actually ate shit
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: and they fucked with Mark Henry. He's legitimately was the
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: strongest man in the world.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Well Mark, No, Well, the thing about it is you
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: You fucked with Mark and into an extent because you
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: know you heard the story right about him and jbl.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Right, No one was that.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: I forgot when it was. But he told the story
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: about like they kept fuck they kept fucking with him,
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: right yeah, And he was wondering why do they keep
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: doing this? Right? And he says, they fuck with you
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: because when you get angry, it makes them laugh. Right.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: So basically how he dealt with that because he said, Okay,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: I'm in and this ship. I'm in. This ship stops today.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: So JB I forgot I was messing with him or whatever.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: He said. He looked, he found jbl right. They were
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: all alone. He says, I could find you any I
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: could find you in a spot just like this, all alone,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: and won't nobody do ship about it? Right? Yeah? And
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: he says I'm sorry, Like he basically counts, I'm sorry.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: It's just fun. It's just they made me do it.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: It's like okay, and then it's like then then you
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: started seeing like once he started really like, that's when
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: that that that the hall of fame, the hall of
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: pain started when he did when he got that whole
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: character development, because the whole, the whole genesis of that
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: was they pranked him. They had him in a ring
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: waiting and nobody showed, and he said, this is what
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: the fuck y'all gonna do, and so he threw he
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: was throwing ship, and he's throwing ship, and when he
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: got to the back, nobody was there, like Vincent, all
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: the guys left. So I was like, all right, I said,
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: what the the is going on?
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: I might have to add Mark Henry to waste his
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: potential though too I would.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: But uh, I think he did. He became a world champion.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: He became world too late, though, too late.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: I think he missed out on like his really athletic years.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: I think he redeemed himself. But yeah, I guess you
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: were saying that he turned that actual like shoot being
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: angry into a gimmick.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, until until that actually let it. But just give
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: me a quick second, because I do have to plug
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: this in or Like I said, this is not a
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: try not to do a formal review of everything, so
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna give a quick rundown of what happened
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: over the weekend. As far as like pay per view.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a W paper you have.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: You had a w Forbidden Door. You had edgend Christian
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: reuniting against uh Nick not Nick, Wayne kill Switch and
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Kip Savian. Match was solid, was the I wouldn't I wouldn't.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't grade it higher than anything. It was just
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: a solid match.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: In the fifties.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: They it really wasn't nothing. It was just an okay match. Yeah,
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: you had TBS the TBS Championship, Mercedes Monet Versussephony fors
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Alex winsor versus Bozilla. The Bozilla was the standout of
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: that match, obviously, uh t K. You might have to
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: jump on that before w W because her dad is
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: a w W scout, so it seems like a conflicate interest.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of another match you had. You
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: had the tag team match between the Hurt Business, Broddo
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: and f t R. And I hate to say, but
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Heart Syndicate. We see what's going on, y'all are playing.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: There are the big some of the biggest politicians right now.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: I've been eating about it. It seems like MVP doesn't
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: want to lose to anybody. It doesn't want his guys
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: to But that was the story going into it. No,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: but they lost without getting get pinned.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they got taken out of the matchic ricochet and
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: the gates of agony, so they didn't get pinned. And
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: people making a joke like, yeah, you can't be seriously,
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: it doesn't work for me. Brother.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: It's weird that, you know, we've seen another company on
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Turner Television fall, you know, away WCW because of the
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: fact that the inmates ran the asylum and it's just
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: like you're following the same thing by letting it.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: It may it mays run asylum in both companies. If
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: you look at Whoopy Politicking and WW you'd be surprised.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean at least when Vince was in charge,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: and not that I think Vince is good, but the
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: buck stopped with him. If he didn't want something to happen,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: well he was not gonna let it happen. Even he
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: made the Undertaker fucking he was a WrestleMania the final decision.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: The biggest example of people politicket during the Defent's era
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Nexus Nexus and Super Sena, Oh yeah, that was yeah,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: co I one guy is going to beat five guys.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: But that being said, and I love m VP, and
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: I love Shelton Benjamin, and I think Lashly is fantastic.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: They're not John Cena. I feel like when you're at
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: the whole against Sea level, you'll get to politic a
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: little better.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: No, not necessarily everybody politics. You have Becky Lynch who politics.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: You have seth Rawll into politics, see him big politicker
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Roman Roman is the biggest politicer guy that you'd be
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: surprised as a politicker. Sammy's ain't is a politicker.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, you got to protect your income.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: So no, like for example, when Sammy versus Gunta at
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: WrestleMania for the title that wasn't supposed to be Sammy,
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: that's supposed to be Gable is like this, Chad Tom
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: will come you get.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: My wild It would have been a better mattress.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: And then Roman, this is how much power Roman.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Had this whole fucking families in the company.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, not even the fact that he if he
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: if he decided to at the snap his fingers. Yeah,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: I wanted Jacob and Solo to be tag champs. It
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: would happen. Like he decides when he wants to work
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: whatever he wants. So there's a lot going on there.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: To get back to the card, I'm trying to I'm
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: trying to go. I'm trying to I'm not trying to
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: go with memory. But uh, you had Athena versus Tony Storm.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: That was a great It was a it was a
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: solid match people. It was unfortunate that Tony Storm won
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: due to submission, and so now kind of puts a
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: little damper on the Athena title reign because she was
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: pegged like this dominant Mike Tyson figure just dominating. So
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: kind of when you tap, like with Gun and Jus,
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: that kind of puts a damper on it.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Some people should just go their entire career without tapping.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: You had Hangman versus m JF. That ended in a
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: funky way because the ref, the ref counted three right
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: and he didn't look and see if uh Hangman's foot
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: was on rope. His foot was on the rope. He
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: blindly counted three right. So in my eyes, m JF
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: really won it. Because you didn't see. You just counted,
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: and then when you came back like minutes later, now
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: you see that his foot is still on the ropes.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: It's like, how do you not know if he just
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: put it back there just now?
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Well, didn't a wrestler come out and say no, that
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: his foot was on the rope.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: No, it was a stupid It was a stupid finish
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: that kind of that that there was that portion of
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: the match we almost picked up, but the finish kind
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: of killed it. Then you had the lights out cage
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: match between with Kenny Omega, Will Ospray, uh Tanahashi. I'm
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: trying to think that I felt like there was one
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: more oh Kodo Bushi versus the Death Riders, the Young Bucks,
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: uh and some members of the Last some member in
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: Gabe Kid. That match was phenomenal, probably the best match
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: on the card. Besides that, the only other thing was
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: NXT heat Wave. It was a there's two matches that
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: stood out, Blake Monroe versus Jordan Grace and Oba Femi
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: versus Javan Evans was a phenomenal match. UH It chose
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: that they are truly the next up when it comes
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: to WWE programming. UH Outside of that. You have Russell Palooza.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: You have Clash of the Castle coming up next uh
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: this Saturday, right, Clash of the Castles coming up this Saturday.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: You have Roman Reigns versus Bronson Reid. You have the
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Fatal four Way I mean a triple threat match between
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: j Uso Oh no, Fatal four Way seth rollins j
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Uso CM punk l A not yeah, uh his retirement. Yeah.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming U Rock might get involved in that.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Perhaps probably not, you said Brock. Brock, yeah, Brock, because
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: I think they teased it on Friday. You have Nick
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Nicki Bella Versusachy Becky for the Intercontinental title. For the
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: women's Intercontinent title, it was supposed to be Stephanie Vackkier
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: versus Naomi, but due to Naomi being pregnant, that no
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: longer happened. That's no longer happened, and it just removed
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: that off the entire card. So now you only have
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: one women's match on the entire car, which sucks. Basically,
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: That's that's it for that. Now we're getting into the
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Now we're gonna get into the main portion of this episode,
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: wasted potential, where we're gonna go over some talent that
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: we felt never reached their top potential. And whether it
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: be WWE, A w New Japan, Noah, or any other
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: different promotions for whatever reason.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: There's so many, there's so many going through it, Like,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: so many people did it because they fucked up by
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: being addicted to drugs. So many people were held down
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: because of booking, booking or politicking from other people, others, injury,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: other's death. I mean you could make a whole, like
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: you know, list of Jericho of just the amount of
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: people that could have been but never got to be
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: world champion or headline of mania. I mean, there's so
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: many that we could go over on this list.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: So I'm gonna say a name and I'll give some context. Yeah, well,
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: I think they was held down all like, well, I
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: think what happened to them? And didn't you give yours
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: and give the reason and give some details.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Of it and maybe we can argue a little bit. Yes,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: I think some of these people, uh probably couldn't have
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: reached the highest power.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: I'll say name right now.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Okay, test, test, Okay, test.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: I believe booking.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: I like that.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: I believe booking didn't allow him to get reached the
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: level that he possibly could have because he was he.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Had the look he has huge.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: He was huge, yet he was he should have been
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: putting a lot some positions that Triple H was put in.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: He was strong. Yeah, I thought he was very good
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: in the ring for a big man. I loved his
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: pump handle slam. I love the big boot. I'm with you.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: And they had him in the Hottest Angle in nineteen
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: ninety nine marrying Stephanie McMahon and then Triple H interferes
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: and then he never got that one on one pay
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: per view match versus Triple H. The man stealed your
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: wife and they never capitalized.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: I'm not thinking about that, right. They never had an
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: actual match about that.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: They had maybe a few things on raw here and there,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: but Test was always looked to be a bitch. He
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: never got his revenge for that angle.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: And then they put him in TNA with Trish Jashon Albert.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: And he's a great tag worker. He sort of had
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: highs and lows, you know, he had a feud with
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: the Undertaker. They had a pretty good match actually at
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Summer Slam tooth thousand and two. Unfortunately for Test, a
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: lot of the issues involved substance abuse, and he unfortunately
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: died at a very young age. He was only in
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: his early thirties. For a while, I.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Didn't even know he was so young.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: You know, he had a resurgence in E c W.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: But you could just look at him. He is on
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: so much steroids. You could see all the back, knee
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: and just he's bloated and unfortunately never reached, you know,
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: the world heavyweight title. But I think in the world
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: like today, where you have two championships and two brands.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Now I know he was in the company when there
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: were two brands, but there's also less star power. It
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: was gonna be tough for him to elevate in the
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: early two thousands when you have Rock, you have Austin,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: you have Taker, you have Foley, you have Triple H,
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: you have Angled Jericho, Benwell, all these guys. But I
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: think if he was around in two thousand and nine, ten,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: twenty eleven, he could have been like a SmackDown World
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: heavyweight champion if he kept his head on his shoulders. Definitely,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, true.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: So you got a name, I got one, and this one.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: I'm so happy he's found that second wind. Later on
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: in his life, but he could have been topp tier
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: and he still had a very great career Hall of Fame.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: I'm talking gold dust, Dustin Rhodes. I think Dustin Rhodes
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: is WCW work. He was an amazing n ring worker.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: He had some amazing matches in like ninety three, ninety four,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: ninety five top tier stuff versus you know, like Stunning
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Stone Cold, Steve Austin, really great wrestlers.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: I'll debate you on this one. I don't I think
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: he I think he tapped out on his potential.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: I think you mean by that.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: I think he okay and WWE. I don't think the
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: natural because he did. Because people forget he did try
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: to be Dustin at one point.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he came in as gold dust and then they
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: gave him so many different versions.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: And then right before he left to go back to
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: w C, he tried to do dustin. But then you
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: know what, like people weren't really rocking with it. People
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: really didn't get into it. Like he couldn't get that,
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: he couldn't get himself over. And then after a while
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: he just had to say dustin sucks.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gold dust together.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why he did gol Dust right before he
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: went back to and did rain or what it was.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Fucking Seve ridiculous seven the child pre because why are
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: you standing outside that? The boys windles when he dropped
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: that right away.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: And he dropped it and shoots down.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So he had his issues with drugs and substance
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: and weight issues. But I think that initial gold Dust
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: run they could have gave him a world title run.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: I thought he was so over. But the issue is
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: he played into the gay, the fear of gay. I mean,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: that was that's what his thing was. They'll try and
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: spin it another way, and so she was in drodging
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: this and we're just doing that. But he was so
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: over initially, but there were such pushback by different organizations
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: that they had to tone back a lot of that stuff.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: I'm not going now. Okay, Now I kind of agree
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: with you because I felt as though early go Dust,
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: creepy go Dust. Yeah, he could have been something because people.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Like, remember the feud with Piper Hollywood Street, Hollywood unbelievable.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: One of one of the best matches in Russia.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Dad love that we would rewind that because he loved
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Piper and he just thought that was even so fun.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Even though the match was like so like that was
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: the first iteration. That was the first iteration.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Of a cinematic match.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a cinematic match was like they had to Yeah,
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: what is going on?
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: So much fun? But then here's another thing, Corey. I'm
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: watching w c W two thousand and one. Now, don't
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: ask me why, but I'm just trying to just trying
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: to finish it out. I know people who have I'm
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: two episodes done with this thing. This is like not
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: this is like fifteen years in the making because I
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: used to watch it back on the WWE Classics on
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: demand in twenty four to seven and all that reason.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: It was so good, but they stopped at some point,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: so they never finished Nidro And then I've been putting
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: it off on this new network thing for the last
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: decade now, but I'm gonna finish it before the peacock
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: thing goes away.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Me too.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: But I'm watching Dustin in two thousand and one, and
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: he's an amazing shape at this point. I think this
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: is the best physically that he ever looked like this.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: He's feeling like the button up in the red.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, okay, and he's teaming up with his dad
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: to take on Flair and Jarrett, and he's cutting amazing promos,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: he's connecting with the audience, and he's putting on some
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: great in ring work. I think if WCW stuck around
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: and he had his head on his shoulders and he's
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: with his dad, I could have seen in two thousand
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: and one him become a world champion there. So he
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: had that to where he could have reached that potential.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: And then he came back with Booker T and he
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: was doing some fun stuff, but he never kept in
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: good sho But I'm happy now in his mid fifties,
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: he's finally found what he's there for and he's putting
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: on his best matches. I probably he's had a decade.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: Should I say a hot take when he was doing
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: the stuff with Booker T. That I know. So I
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: know that Stardust is meant to be a version of
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: gold Dust, right, but I feel as though he was
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: in his own Stardust art at that moment where he's
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: like this, But the only difference between him and Cody
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: was Cody decided to do something about it. He free
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: reinvented himself and he made he made wwe want him
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: instead of him wanting w W dustin Dustin never did that.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: It was always a situation was like, Okay, things not
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: going well at this company. I'll go back to WW
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: and do what iut normal.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: He went to TNA. I think that's when he was rained.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he did that.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: He was gigantic, he was over three hundred.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: And then what did he do? He went back to
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: w W the gold dust again. It was like whenever
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: things went downhill, he relied back on that gimmick. And
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: when Cody was like once he was stuck in that
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: gimmick and he's seen that how things going, He's like,
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: you know, fuck this shit. Uh just fired me at anything. Yeah,
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: and he walked out. He didn't even wait to get fired.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: He said, I'm walking out. Fuck about it.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: What you got wasted potential?
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: You know, it's a wasted potential. And I felt like
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: he could have did something and he was so fucking young.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: Uh Renee Duprix.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's just the case of bullying the French.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: That's just the case of Bob Holly being an asshole.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: And I got I got the next one, all right.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: I got one. I got one. And this was at
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: a time when MMA was really in his infancy, but
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: when Ken Shamrock came over to the WWE, he was over.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: He was initiated into the wrestling world in a giant match,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: one of the greatest matches ever, being the special guest
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: referee for Austin and Bret Harder wrestling a third choun.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: I got a hot take about this, wellt's hear it
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: if he would have stuck him around and they actually
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: would have booked him, right mm hm. Can you imagine
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: him on the SmackDown six with angle In when they
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: were in their prime.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: And him feuding with Lesnar. Imagine that now, Shamrock was
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: his own worst donemy. He didn't like the road schedule,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: he wouldn't show up on time, he would miss certain things.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Was he the best promo, No, of course not. But
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: I think he could work around somebody when they have
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: actual charisma and he had that it factor. He had
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: the background. You know, he was on ABC, taunted uh
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: touted as the world's most dangerous man. I mean, he
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: was a champion of MMA for the UFC, so I
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: think he had an amazing look. The only issue is
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: he had Austin, he had Rocky had all these other
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: guys around him.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: Two things. Two things about Shamrock. One, I didn't like
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: the stem storyline with al Venus. Yeah, I was like, okay,
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: I'm good off, I'm so good off, I'm so good
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: off that. But the one that I can say, I
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: would say, I would say booking held him back a
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: little bit, but I would say it achieved its goal
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: in this one thing. Where as the kid, you know
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: how they tried to pay him as being as dangerous
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: as Tyson right as a little kid, There's not too
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: many things I remember about like the attitude era when
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: it was actually happening. That was one when he would
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: go crazy, bag changed and just start suplexing everybody because
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: I remember the Tyson situation with Tyson, you know, he
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: was wilding on the offices in the ring, right, and
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: it just gave me that type of vib So they actually,
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: when I was a kid, I actually thought kinshim Rock
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: was crazy and.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: He probably was, and he probably could have kicked the
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: ship out of anybody in that WWE locker room. But dah, yeah,
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: that's one of them. You got another unmatched potential.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: On my tag team. I got a tag team.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: I got a tag team too.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: What do you got, I got, I got PLND Oh
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: my god. And Brian Kendrick.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: They're so good. They're so good that yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: I was once you said tag team that is that
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: is whose they They were so good, so ahead of
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: their time.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: So we think about when people say who's the best
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: tech team of all time? You got people who say
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: the Hardys, the Sners. You got people who say you
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: LD l O D. You got people who say.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: The Bucks, the Young b Yeah, those people.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: You got people who say that. But I think when
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: you think when you think of like the young Buck
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: hardy style, I think Paul London and Brian Kendricks advanced
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: it enough past the Hardys, but were pretty before the
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: Bucks where they could have where they could have actually
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: took over the industry, and they they I felt as
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: though creative held them back. It's like a situation where
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: if they were in like R O H or the Indies,
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: they were killing it. But the fact that they were
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: I don't think, wwe work this style, dude.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: They took the best bumps they knew how to sell.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: They didn't do over the top gymnastics spots like the
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: Young Bucks. They took an ash whopping better than just
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: about anyone. You know, the Paul London clipped versus snitsk
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: get the Royal round ball when he gets closed line
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: does the flip? Can you know? He had his moment
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: as a single wrestler really didn't work out. He was
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: sort of doing like a HBK thing.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: You remember when he first got well with Ezekiel.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was supposed to be his diesel.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but do you remember how I first got introduced.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: To Spanky right? Yeah, but yeah, they were so fucking
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: good Corey and they're charismatic. Have you ever watched any
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: of their shoot interviews. They they're really funny dudes. And
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, they dropped the ball, but also they
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: were small. That was the only thing going against them.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: They were, you know, probably five to seven, one hundred
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: and fifty pounds.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: Sing about that is though, when you're exciting, you're just
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: exciting because you don't have to win the world title anything.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: But the fact that they were tag team champions and
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: they were getting they were getting over, they were over.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: You'll. You know, the thing is, Vince ric Man famously
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: hates tag team wrestling. He's just not a fan of
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: that style. So a tag team was never going to
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: be over over, But I wish they stuck around together
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: for many more years because they could have been feuding
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: with the Ushos, they could have been feuding with the
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: New Day. I mean, they're still relatively young. They're probably
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: AJ Styles age, probably younger than AJ Styles actually, so
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: they could have kept on wrestling. Unfortunately, Paul London got
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: fired because you remember he was smiling during the Vinch
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: McMahon Limo segments. And then Kendrick, uh reason, Kendrick his
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: training Ronda Rousey, and I think he posted some Nazis.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: Ship that wasn't that because he uh he he was
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: he was working in the PC. He was working in
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: the PC. He's working in PC for a long time. Yeah,
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: and then once aw came around, he was off the job.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: Uh in o lead wrestling. He took the job the
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: day the day he was booked for a match. Ye,
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: some information came out like an old post.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: It was like Nazis No.
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: No, it was basically like Holocaust denial.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: Oh that's what it was. Yeah, Yeah, it was like
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: they came out that day.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: He came out literally either the day of all the
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: day before. I remember, I remember somebody said, how do
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: you get fired on your day.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: I love them though, I thought they were fantastic. That's
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: a great answer there, Corey. I'm gonna go with a
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: guy that I think actually is very similar to them
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: with ability to take a bump. And I think the
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: one two three kid aka XPOC for a time was
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: a top two or three in ring performer. You go
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: back and watch his stuff in ninety four and ninety five,
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: I have him right up there with Brett and Sean.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: And I'm telling you also when he came back to
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: the WWF in ninety eight and ninety nine, very few
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: people were as good of in ring performers as him.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: He might have actually been the best in ring performer.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: I thought he brought an edge to every group that
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: he came into, you obviously being in the nWo and
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: being in DX, and I thought he cut a decent promo.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: His size was a little bit of a hindrance, you know,
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: being a smaller dude. But I think as far as
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: wasted potential Xbox, Sean Waltman could have been what is
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: Shawn Michaels was. Maybe he didn't have quite as much charisma,
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: but he had more of an edge. He had more
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: of a bad assery and I love that dude. I
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: think he's a great dude outside of the ring, and
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: I think he could have been a staple in pro
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: wrestling for quite some time, but he wasted his potential
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: by getting addicted to drugs. And he obviously got kicked
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: out of the ww at some point and hasn't really
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: been back in mainstream wrestling for quite some time. And
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: he's sort of, you know, doing his thing now and
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: he seems happy in life right now, but he's had
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: some dark days. He tried to kill himself in Mexico
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: years ago, but I'm happy to see that he's in
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: a much better place. So I'm a big XBOT guy,
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: is right.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: So when it comes to like it when it was,
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: when it comes to fall wrestling, you ever heard term
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: of xpot go away heat. Yeah, So I'm like, did
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: he do something he not? I'm not talking about the
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: drug stuff. I'm just talking about maybe like entring promot.
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: Do you think that some of that hindered him like late,
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: like I want to say in that when he was
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: doing an X Factor, Yeah, like X Fact the era
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: of I don't think people were really no, no, because.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: He didn't evolve he was still doing this like the
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: grungy sort of shit that was popular in like the
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: late nineties, when it was like two thousand and three,
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: two thousand, you know, two wish era. I also think
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: that he could have, you know, done better as far
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: as taking care of his body. He just he was
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: reckless with a lot of his bumps and a lot
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: of his injuries. He never took time to actually fully recover.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: He wrestled with a broken neck. A lot of these
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: guys never wanted to lose their spots, so they didn't
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: take care of themselves, and that's what led to the
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: drug addiction. They say, oh, I got to perform tonight,
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: instead of actually taking seven eight months off, they just
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: you know, took steroids, took drugs, took cocaine, took muscle relaxers,
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: pain pills, and went out there and that fucked with
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: his mind. And unfortunately, you know, I really say, I
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: want to say this, actually, Corey. I think one of
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: my favorite tag teams of all time was Kane and XPOC.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: I love that time. I love that dynamic of one
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: guy who's just sort of a monster and the other
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: guy is the you know, the smaller guy who takes
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: all the heat in the ring and you make the
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: hot tag. I mean, that's such a formula that works.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: And they really don't have any teams like that today
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: that I could think of. I know they tried that
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: with aj and Omas but never really worked out. But
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: Kane XPOC was great. XPOC had some great matches versus
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: Eddie Guerrero and Chris Jericho and versus Brett Hart on
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: Raw in nineteen ninety four, in my opinion, is one
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: of the greatest matches ever Brett and one two three kid.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: Make sure to watch that match if you haven't seen it.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: It's unreal.
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: So I'm gonna go We're gonna go one more because
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: I want to get you out of there. Won't let you
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: go eat uh So yeah uh and then hopefully, hopefully,
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know, down the road, I want to continue
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: this series.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: Because I have so many and we could do it
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: the opposite way. People that overachieved, people that shouldn't have
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: been as big as they were, but you know, you
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: did it.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: That is definitely, that's definitely down in the pike. We're
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: gonna get that. We're gonna try to get that done soon.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: All you got one more I got one more, one more.
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: It's like the final draw. My final one would probably
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: be Keith Lee.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: They're going a little modern with this, Yeah.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: I'm modern with this. I don't. I think. I think
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: multiple things held him back. I think, for one, uh
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: in w W E booking because he was pegged to
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: be that guy. And if you, if you really, if
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: you looked at UH that Survivor series when NXT, Roman
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: put him over Big, Yeah, Roman put Roman put him
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: over Big.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: I didn't watch NXT, but when I saw him, I
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: was like, this guy is the real deal. He seems
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: like they're going to push this.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: He put a he hit that power bomb on him,
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: and I think he was a socialvivor for NXT and
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: he was actually doing something. And then the thing that
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: around that time when the n XT was like if
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: you were on NXT, you were golden. Everything was good.
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: But once you jumped to the main roster with Vince
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: booking you, it could go to ship. And unfortunately for
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: Keith it went to ship because they changed his whole gimmick.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: They made him shave his beer, they put him in
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: a set, they put him in a single it and Uh,
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: they changed his name the bear cat League, and it
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: was just it was just downhill from there. And I
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: think he had he had he had to leave that
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: company because there was no room for growth there, especially
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: under that regime.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: He was older though he was not a young guy
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: when he was getting into the business, like or at
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: least when he was in NXTC.
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he was. He was still one of those
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: guys that like he could pull it off and he
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: was still good.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: But then once he goes to a W I think
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: you switched over to injuries and things.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: He didn't take care of himself and his health.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: Plagued him up in certain such certain circumstances.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of mystery as like what
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: actually was going on with that. I don't know if
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: it was COVID or long COVID or some sort of.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: Issue, because if I remember correctly, you know, he tagged
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: with swervest Swerve Strickland. They had the Swerve No Glory, uh,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: And so they had that tag team and then they
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: broke up and then it was supposed to lead to
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: a feud. They never got their match, and it got
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: to the point where Swerve was just like, fuck it,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna do it. I'm done with this. Let
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: me just move on to what I got to do
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: to whether it be on the Dark or whatever. He
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: just took any type of bookingt and till this day,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: you don't even see you don't see Keith.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: Lee on the roster. Still he's still on a w's insane.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: Uh. I don't think that's known about him so far
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: as that he was at the w W Hall of Fame.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: He's at the w W. Uh he because he's married
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: to meet him?
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: Oh so he was there this past past year.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: He's yeah, he's very MEETCHI uh so he's no, I
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: think he was the past year of the year before.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: I think they get undertaking.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: Did they show him on TV or.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: Accidentally they accidentally they accidentally showed him on it and
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: they actually accidentally took a picture. But yeah, that's who
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: I'm going with. Who's your who's the final guy? All right?
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: My last thought, and again I have a long list.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to even give any of these names
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: out because we'll get back to it at some point.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with one, and it's such a tragic one,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: and that would be Brian Pillman. I think Brian Pillman
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: had all of all of what it takes to be
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: a pro wrestler, obviously being a former football player. He
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: had the athleticism. I mean, this guy was not a
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: big guy, but he was larger than life. He had
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: pure charisma. You want to talk about a promo. This
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: guy blended reality with fiction better than anybody at a
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: time when stuff like that wasn't done. This was at
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: a time when everybody knew pro wrestling was staged. He
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: was blurring those lines of reality that whole ninety five
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: ninety six when he was in E c W and
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: wg W and feuding with the booker man Kevin Sullivan.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: It was unreal.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: You know, do you I know, you know the story
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: about what happened with that.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: Right yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, he fucked over Eric.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: He no, you gotta let me actually be free. Nobody's
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: gonna believe he's like really got my fucking release. I'm out.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. But if you look at like prior to that,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: his in ring work was unbelievable, Lying Brian teaming up
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: with stunning Steve Austin with the Hollywood Blonds, I mean
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: they were having fantastic matches with the you know, Steamboat
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: and and uh Shane Douglass and then Juice and Thunder
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: and thunder Liger in him you had a series of
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: amazing matches. You know, he's a Stampede guy, Brian Pilman,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: so he was having matches with you know, Ben wy
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: and Owen Harp back in the late eighties.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: So I'm gonna ask you a question, Yeah, what do
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: you think delve him from reachail his whole?
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: Potentially he got into a horrific accident, messed up his
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: ankle which led to even more drug abuse. I mean,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: if Brian Pellman shouldn't have been alive to begin with,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: he had I want to say, over thirty surgeries on
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: his throat, which gave him that raspy voice. But he
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: had cancer as a kid, so he was not long
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: for this world from the beginning. But he overcame all
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: those things. And imagine what could have been because him
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: and Austin already had a built in story being former
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: tag team champions. Imagine Austin versus Pilman ninety eight, both
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: of them healthy.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: Can I say something?
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: I think also booking had something to do with it,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: because if you remember when before he passed, he was
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: in the gold Dust vortekes with him and the Marlin.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's in that type of situation where I was like, okay, but.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: He couldn't even wrestle at the time he had maybe
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: he only had like nine or ten matches in WWFF.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: He had no ankle. Essentially, he was working on one leg.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: Because I remember he did do the Stampede match.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, which is, you know, the crowd achievement of
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: his WWF run. He had that infamous Pillman three sixteen
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: Pillman nine millimeter promo, Remember that when Austin went to
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: his house and he pulled out a fucking gun and
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: the USA Network was like, yeah, we can't be pulling
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: out guns on television.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: But ye.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, this guy was the Attitude era, before the
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: Attitude era. Think of this shit he was doing with Austin.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, even to this day, whenever somebody gets a
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: steel chair and puts it around someone's ankle, they say
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: they pilmanize them, because there's a famous angle where Austin,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: you know, does that to Pillman's ankle. I think this guy,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: if he was still able to work the way he
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: was working in ninety three and ninety four, ninety five,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: but had the promo skills that he had in ninety five,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: ninety six, ninety seven. Are you kidding me? Imagine the
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: feuds he could have had with Kurt Angle. Imagine Angle
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: playing that goofy sort of guy, and Pillman could have
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: went back to a like a raw, badass babyface him
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: versus Jericho, these two you know, stampede boys. When added
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: the promost that would have happened with Pillman and the
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  Speaker 1: Rock Pillman and and you know Sina. Because he was
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  Speaker 1: relatively young, Pilman could have wrestled well into the twenty tens.
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  Speaker 1: So I think that's to me, that's the most wasted
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  Speaker 1: potential of anybody. I love Brian Pilman, and uh you
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  Speaker 1: know his son Unfortunately, just he don't have it. He
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  Speaker 1: ain't Brian Pillman. He's not.
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  Speaker 2: Oh. I was like, don't don't disrespect Janata Lexus.
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  Speaker 1: Can some people just you know, there's Curtis Axles in
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  Speaker 1: the world.
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  Speaker 2: No, I feel like when you, Lexus, I think he
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  Speaker 2: has the potential.
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't have the athleticism.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I just I disagree.
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  Speaker 1: He cannot do what Pilman did in the ring.
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  Speaker 2: Don't I think he actually a better athlete.
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  Speaker 1: That's the that's the worst take you've had.
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  Speaker 2: Can I just cook for a second?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Cook, you're gonna burn it.
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  Speaker 2: Because the thing who I think he doesn't aspire to
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  Speaker 2: be like his dad. I already knew who he aspires
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  Speaker 2: to be like.
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  Speaker 1: Who would that be?
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  Speaker 2: He basically copies the Kenny Omega handbook. That's who he
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  Speaker 2: tries to be. And for the most part he can
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  Speaker 2: pull off a good imitation. Sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't seen him since he went to w W A.
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  Speaker 1: I just remember his a W run he had. Here's
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  Speaker 1: lackluster he pulled.
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  Speaker 2: He pulled the eight with Moose, him and Moose had
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  Speaker 2: eight eight when you go to cage match an eight
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  Speaker 2: star eight match, colleague type of match. So I mean
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: when he wants to. But for the most part he's
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: just a gimmick. God. Now I wish they would book
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: him more seriously and put him as Brian Pillman Jr.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't get.
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  Speaker 2: It's the same thing with Change, It's the same thing
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  Speaker 2: with with Broun Breaking, Curtis Axel should have just been
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: Joe Henning all these guys.
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  Speaker 1: It's just the name is It's important if you have
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: a dumb name You can't picture somebody with a dumb
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: name as World Champions.
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  Speaker 2: Rock Daughter's Ava Johnson, I mean Ava Rain, Yeah Johnson.
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  Speaker 1: Why capitalize on the most famous man in the world
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: that makes no sense and everyone knows it's the daughter.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: See now, look at somebody successful, Charlotte Flair, because they
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: have the name.
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  Speaker 1: And you can use that in storytelling. That's the beauty
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  Speaker 1: of it.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: You say you know Brett Hart, he trained in the dungeon,
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  Speaker 1: his dad Stuhard. You could tell stories based on the
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: father or grandfather. Look at Orton generation.
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  Speaker 2: Some nepotism does requiet the name.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So, but I want to thank everybody for listening into
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  Speaker 2: another episode of The Recess. I mean not this is
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  Speaker 2: presented by the Recess bell, but when the bell rings,
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  Speaker 2: this is called when the bell rings, presented to you
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  Speaker 2: by the Recess. Seah, I just fixated, watched.
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  Speaker 1: A little bit, but that's fine.
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  Speaker 2: I watched and I recovered baby. Uh. Like I said,
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  Speaker 2: I want to thank everybody who for tuning into today's episode. Uh.
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  Speaker 2: Once again, I'm your host, Corey David.
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  Speaker 1: This is my special guest Justin Greenberg. Thank you Corey
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  Speaker 1: for this
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  Speaker 2: And that's so all that is, and it's all, it's gone,
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  Speaker 2: b