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Bears Banter Ep. 219: Joe Theismann joins! · 2nd City Gridiron

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[SPEAKER_00]: Fair enough, various fans inside for another edition of the Chicago Bears podcast Bears banter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It will be worn in New York amongst the Giants fans and the Jets fans and the Justin Fields fans.
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[SPEAKER_00]: um, they are still out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's it's unbelievable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we'll talk a little bit on Justin Fields here in a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But let's talk about it and let's talk about this Monday night football game coming up with the commanders.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've got a great guest on this podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's Joe Thaisman, the long time Washington quarterback, of course, long time ESPN,
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[SPEAKER_00]: commentator, you've known him for years and years, Notre Dame alum, plenty to get to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to get Joe's, I want to talk to Joe about the 85 bears because the Washington play the 85ers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I never know if I'm allowed to say the team name that it was in 1985.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I just say Washington.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But we all know what the team name is, but I'm trying to make sure I keep everything on the up and up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yes, 1985, Washington lost to the Bears 45 to 10 Joe was in that game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd beat up pretty good by the 46 defense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to ask him about that game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to get his perspective on the Hail Mary and how it unraveled the Bears season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to talk to him about Caleb Williams, what do you think?
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[SPEAKER_00]: His development and of course weren't the commanders are this season and preview this game coming
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, planning to do with Joe, but before we get into it, let's talk a little bit about this game coming up on Monday night football.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, we did the podcast last week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not much has changed with the buy-in between, we did the podcast last week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No guest on that podcast, you can go and check it out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's got all my thoughts on the Raiders and Ben Johnson and planning to get to there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, with this Commander's Game, yes, I'll give a prediction at the end of the podcast,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to talk to it in a bit more of an interesting way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I wrote about it at Wendy City, Gretaire.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that is that Chicago Bears fans, owe the Washington Commanders a debt of gratitude.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They owe him a thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a weird thing to say because we were all devastated at the end of that Hail Mary football game as we should have been the foreign two bears and everything collapses at that point, but it's that collapse that was needed what they did is you know you have a home structure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and you chip away at the the outside of that structure and then you find out that you got termites or you got wood rot at the foundation and the framework of the house and once that is exposed the house
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[SPEAKER_00]: rumbles and that's what happened to the Chicago Bears last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a house of cards and it crumbled when the wood rot was exposed by the Washington Commanders and we see just what those players thought of Maddie Burflus and they had no faith that they had the right coach and that they were going to win
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[SPEAKER_00]: the games when the coach needed to make the decisions because he didn't make the right decisions against the commanders.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He, you know, the Packers game, the Lions game, all the things were everything fell apart because the head coach wasn't making the right decisions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the players knew that was going to be the case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why they stopped believing all together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I really think things fell apart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But Matt Eberfluss needed to be fired.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, let's play this out a different way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say that Hail Mary falls incomplete and the bears are five and two and they have that energy that they escape and they beat a good Washington team and they are five and two on the season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then they have New England and Arizona coming up to not very good football teams.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Drake May had barely played at that point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Arizona has never particularly good football team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think a bears team giving full effort and everything they could have been?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think that team really loses at worst?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They split those two games at worst and they're at 6 and 3.
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[SPEAKER_00]: probably going to win both those games and they're going to be at seven and two.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then maybe when you're not thinking about the next mistake that's going to happen, maybe they don't lose that packer's game on the Cairo Santos block field goal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they're eight and two at that point who knows what would have happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the bears when things start rolling downhill and everything's
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it picks up a lot of steam heading downhill and the bears could have won eight, nine, ten, eleven, who knows how many football games last year and potentially made the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even if the bears missed the playoffs at eight, nine, or nine, and eight, do you think Maddie or Floos is getting fired?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, but the season didn't go that way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It unraveled.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks to that commander's game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and because it unraveled, Maddie Ruflu Scott fired.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And because Maddie Ruflu Scott fired, Ben Johnson is here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Could you, a man, I mean, Ben Johnson would be the head coach of the Raiders, or the Jaguars, or wherever he is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: would have been.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I doubt he still would have been offensive coordinator of the lions, hoping another season passes with the bears, especially if the bears won football games.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's probably thinking the bears are going to start winning football games.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But would you rather have Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams or Matt Eberfluous Shane Waldron or a new offensive coordinator of Shane Waldron got fired and Caleb Williams?
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[SPEAKER_00]: This isn't even a question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when we look at big picture, yeah, there was a lot of pain in that 10-game losing streak for fans.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am not trying to sugarcoat anything and be like, hey, chip on the shoulder here, we should be excited that the bears lost in the commanders.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because it was painful, it was brutal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of yelling and screaming on this podcast last season, talking about Maddie Refuse and all the poor decisions he was making and the players, not holding themselves accountable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, everyone wants to put everything on Matt Eberflos.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I still put some of it on the players.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The players have to hold themselves accountable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, if it was all Matt Eberflos and the players were ready to play, that would have looked better with Thomas Brown and it didn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It looked worse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and not just like the play calling and some of the decisions where he's not an experienced head coach, maybe that won't go well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The effort didn't improve either.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That just still looked like a sloppy, sloppy football team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I put some of it on the players as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, we all know my very, very negative views on Mad Everfluous.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not trying to not put anything on Mad Everfluous.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, the players were part of the problem last season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But regardless of any of it, thanks to that commander's game and the season falling apart after that Hail Mary is completed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ben Johnson is now a member of the Chicago Bears.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He is the team's head coach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is exactly what the Bears needed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if we re-wound the clock to October of 2023, when the Bears were sitting at one in four, or whatever their record was with Justin Fields and Maddie Ruflus and somebody said bill.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How are the bears going to fix this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who do they need it quarterback and who do they need it head coach?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Our fields influse the right duo.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At that point, and I'm sure I said it on a podcast, I would have said no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would have said, you need to get Caleb Williams in here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you need Ben Johnson to be his head coach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because we were talking about Ben Johnson with Patrick Bauer on Lyons Preview podcasts for years on this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We loved Ben Johnson on this podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that is 100% where I have been for two years is that it needed to be Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now as a bear's fan of
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[SPEAKER_00]: course, I didn't expect that to happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I expect the bears to end up with crap because that's what they always do, they get crap.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But somehow, some way, they ended up with Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams, and here we are, the Chicago Bears have the right quarterback and right head coach in place, and we'll see if this thing can finally come together like it needs to for the Chicago Bears to be a perennially,
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[SPEAKER_00]: good football team, maybe a great football team, but a year in and year out playoff contender.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You need the coach and you need the quarterback and the bears finally have it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So for this commander's game for all the grief ever odds too soon, I don't want to see a picture.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All I can say to the Washington Commanders is thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for winning that game for exposing the rotten foundation of this team and getting Ben Johnson in here as the head coach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After he spurred you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and he did it to you and you ended up with Dan Quinn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So thank you for that as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for not landing the plane on Ben Johnson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Couldn't have worked out perfectly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Washington commanders, everything we needed as bears fans.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks to them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't have a lot to say here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to make sure I get to Joe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll do a little bit of a male bag.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I do want to say, because I probably did something I should.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, I couldn't help myself, because it still sits there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, you know, when you're on social media regularly and you're in the media, you're gonna get criticized by fans.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's going to happen, that's gonna be a part of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when you're a big loudmouth like me, you're gonna get more criticism than the guys who are mild mannered and kind of tow the line and say, if maybe this happens, this would be good if that happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, maybe this won't be as good and they just kind of are wishy-washy on everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that's not what you get with this podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to get opinions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes my opinion is in line with everybody else's.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, and you'll be no crappell.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone else thinks that too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's my opinion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to share it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes my opinion runs counter with just about everyone else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going to give it to you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're going to sit there and be like shut up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't know what you're talking about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That comes with the territory.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But
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[SPEAKER_00]: with the, as people call it now, the social media civil war between Caleb Williams and Justin Fields and what the bear should do in the hall and all that nonsense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My mentions were toxic for months.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not gonna pretend and I talked about it previously when Justin Fields did eventually get traded.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The image it was brutal to sit there and talk about anything about the bears and people saying, I hate Justin Fields and I just want him to fail and that wasn't the case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was through the moon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that they drafted Justin Fields.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We had special podcasts about Justin Fields, being the savior of the Chicago Bears.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I said that Justin Fields was going to be the Bears greatest quarterbacks since Sid Lockman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was a believer in Justin Fields.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then you watch him play and maybe the bear stunted some of his growth, maybe it just wasn't for fields in terms of being the type of quarterback that he needs to be at the NFL level to be successful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You, I'm not going to get in any of it, but what I do know is where Justin fields is now is not good enough to be a quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Best athlete at the NFL at the quarterback position.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bar none.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He is the best athlete.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's better than Lamar.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's better than Caleb.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's better than Jane Daniels.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Whoever you're going to throw at, he is the best quarterback athlete in the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably ever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's probably more athletic than Vic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's at that kind of level.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Randall Cunningham.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's at that kind of level of athleticism.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you got to be able to throw the football and he has arm talent, but he doesn't want to throw in the middle of the field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't want to process at certain speeds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He basically we're seeing it now with the jetts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He has two targets.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He has his main guy and his dump off guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: His dump off guy is becoming Mason Taylor, the rookie tight end and obviously he's got Garrett Wilson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just like it was his first with Darnell Mooney, and then he was dumping off to Cole Comet, and then it became DJ Moore, and he was still dumping off to Cole Comet and Darnell Mooney banished, because that's it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He is limited.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He cannot get through a full field of progressions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He looks for his favorite guy, and then his safety valve.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's all he is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He is a two-reed quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Better than a one-reed quarterback, but he's a two-reed quarterback and you can't
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[SPEAKER_00]: on the Jets game with their offensive output they were having for most of the game against the Dallas Cowboys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I may have tweeted a couple things I shouldn't have about the Justin Field type because it still sits there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's still just burned in a little hole in the side of my stomach, a little ulcer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks to all those fields, fanatics, and everything they had to say about Justin Fields and Caleb Williams, and those people who didn't think Justin Fields was the guy, and I'm not saying that Caleb Williams people didn't attack Justin Fields people and call him idiots as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was plenty of mud beans, slung everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But all I'm sitting here is trying to host the podcast and sit there and say,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caleb Williams will be the draft pick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Justin Fields is going to get traded.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All the things I said that all came true, they all came true, but I was the bad guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yes, I may have taken some shots at Justin Fields, maybe I shouldn't have, but at the same time,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You look at what's happening with the Jets franchise and Jets fan base and they're all sitting there with the Justin Fields believers and they think fields is the truth and they think fields is the guy and at the end of the Cowboys game, you had 280 yards and two touchdowns after he threw for like 200 yards and two touchdowns in the fourth quarter when they were down 30 points.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So,
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[SPEAKER_00]: garbage time stats do not matter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like Gino Smith against the commander's a couple of weeks ago when he he did the same thing you know an awful game and then he had a great fourth quarter against the prevent defense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you got to be careful when you just look at box scores.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Justin Fields is a great athlete, but because of who he is as a quarterback, he limits an offense significantly in terms of what the offensive coordinator can and can't do because of his limited passing ability.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what's going on with the jets.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it is not Justin Fields fault that the jets are winless.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is not his fault.
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[SPEAKER_00]: only.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he is part of the problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not his fault the defense hasn't been as good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is not his fault that Aaron Glenn has made some mistakes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is not his fault in any of that stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it is his fault that he was atrocious in week two.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I want to sit there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to say it's his fault that he got hurt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that is part of the Justin Fields experience that he missed a game due to a concussion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That happens with Justin Fields regularly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when we look at the big picture of Justin Fields, the jets are getting the Justin Fields experience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're getting a great athlete who tends to get injured, who's a limited passer, who will do some dynamic things with the football because of his athleticism, but play to play down and down, drive to drive, quarter to quarter, game to game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He is not going to be the quarterback that's going to be able to lead you consistently to victories.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is not a coincidence that whatever the stat is, Justin Fields is O and 25, or whatever he is, when teams score 20 or more points.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a damning statistic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You want to say quarterback wins, are not a category, not a statistic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But when you have that big of a sample size, you have to start looking at the quarterback a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yes,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Justin Fields is the Jets quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the Bears podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't need to talk about Justin Fields, but at the same time, when I got dragged for as long as I did, because I was willing to criticize Justin Fields when he deserved, to be criticized, and willing to say the right move here, not that the Bears have the number one pick, is pivoting the Caleb Williams, and remember, like I said, this was not a Caleb Williams or Justin Fields conversation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what Bears fans made it out to be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Justin Fields was not going to be the bear's quarterback in 2024.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The question was Caleb Williams or a different rookie, that should have been the conversation they were having because the bears were moving off him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now as it turns out Ryan Polls did not care to look at anyone else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was looking at Caleb Williams and only Caleb Williams and he may have peaked at JJ McCarthy, but did he look at Jayden Daniels?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did he look at Drake May?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did he look at anyone else?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No,
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[SPEAKER_00]: bad process by Ryan Polls, but even sometimes a bad process gets you to the right answer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the right answer to me was always Kayla Williams and Kayla Williams and Ben Johnson is 100 percent the right answer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's move on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get to Joe Faisman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He joins me next.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is Bill Zimmerman, Bears Banner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be right back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back into the podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We are excited.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We are pumped up to have this guest on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He is a well-known broadcaster, well-known quarterback, well-known Notre Dame alum.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He is a Super Bowl champion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He is Joe Faisman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got a book out in fact.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can get it on Amazon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How to be a champion every day, and he joins us now here on the podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Joe Bill Zimmerman, how you doing?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good to see you, Bill.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's great to catch up with you this morning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm excited to do this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Excited to catch up with you as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's plenty to get into.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's start with the commander's side of things and kind of talk about their season so far.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, they didn't come out of the gate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They had good game first game, but Jaden Daniels injury.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's been a couple bumps along the way here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What have you made of the commander's season so far?
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[SPEAKER_00]: This year, after a season in Jaden Daniels rookie year, where people were really thinking they could build upon it
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I still believe that the fans believe that and I think last year really went everybody's whistle as far as being able to look at what this football team potentially has to the opportunity to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, Jayden, you could see the difference when Marcus did a terrific job for the couple games he played, but Jayden Daniels is Jayden Daniels.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's exceptional, smart, athletic, makes good decisions, learning how to protect himself, Caleb, take a note please.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the most important thing that he can do is be available to his football team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I really feel like that this football team continues to get better and better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bill, I will always believe this with only two preseason games.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The starters don't play.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So your first two three games of the regular season are really preseason games.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The coaches don't know what they have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The players don't know how good they are.
20:01
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't know they're conditioning.
20:03
[SPEAKER_01]: There's so many things that we see in the first couple of games that you would see normally in a late preseason game.
20:09
[SPEAKER_01]: And so now I think we're settled into the season right now with five games for some teams to four for others.
20:16
[SPEAKER_01]: But this commander team I think continues to build especially defensively.
20:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought they played really, really well last week defensively against the chargers.
20:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, let me ask you about that defense in particular because the defense it has given up some points in previous games, but yeah, that game against the chargers really felt like the commanders were firing on all cylinders really, you know, even, you know, run in the football with a crosskey merit, you know, all the pieces seem to be coming together.
20:42
[SPEAKER_00]: I know they still have a couple key injuries, but the defense being this is Dan Quinn's team he's obviously a defensive minded coach.
20:50
[SPEAKER_00]: How do you think this defense matches up?
20:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Because, I mean, the bear's offense, I'm not sitting here saying it's the 1985-49ers, or 84-49ers, but at the same time, this offense has been clicking a little bit.
21:03
[SPEAKER_00]: It has been doing well.
21:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Ben Johnson, we know, is a tremendous offensive mind.
21:07
[SPEAKER_00]: How do you kind of see the defensive match up between Dan Quinn and Ben Johnson?
21:11
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it isn't just between Ben and Dan, it's basically around the National Football League bill.
21:18
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the guys up front.
21:20
[SPEAKER_01]: If you can own the line of scrimmage, if you can create problems up front with the bears offensive line, then you have an opportunity to put pressure on Caleb and I don't care who you are, pressure is gonna make a difference in a ball game.
21:32
[SPEAKER_01]: It would be the same thing on the other side for the bears and our offensive line.
21:36
[SPEAKER_01]: when it comes to jade to be able to get pressure, move them off a spot, both these young guys move very well.
21:43
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not sure he really want to make a move a whole lot, but that would be to me.
21:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, our defensive line played really well and they rotate a number of people through too.
21:51
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're you're pretty fresh going.
21:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that was the one thing that jumped out of me in the charger game for the commanders was the way the defensive line came off the ball.
22:03
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think that's going to be a big key in this game.
22:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Who's going to be able to protect and who's going to be able to bring pressure?
22:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, 100% pressure is always king.
22:12
[SPEAKER_00]: That's certainly something the bear's have struggled with so far this season.
22:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me ask you specifically about the quarterbacks.
22:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about both quarterbacks because I think if both these quarterbacks have successful careers and are our probal caliper quarterbacks for the next 10, 12 years, because they went one and two in the draft like they did with Caleb being from Washington.
22:32
[SPEAKER_00]: all the ways that they tie together, and obviously the rookie season game, which we're going to get to here in a second.
22:38
[SPEAKER_00]: But these two quarterbacks, I think potentially the NFL would love to see both these guys.
22:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Great.
22:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Would love to see almost a Washington Chicago rivalry kind of created an NFC rivalry.
22:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever you've seen from Caleb Williams, I know you talked about Jaden Daniels a little bit.
22:54
[SPEAKER_00]: What have you seen from Caleb William so far this season and over his first 20 or so games that you're excited about and that you have some concerns about?
23:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the first thing that jumps in my mind is the growth that he's made from year one to year two.
23:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Last year he was a true rookie in the National Football League trying to survive.
23:12
[SPEAKER_01]: He thought that he could outrun defensive line in at this level.
23:16
[SPEAKER_01]: He thought he could get away from a lot of people, found out he couldn't.
23:20
[SPEAKER_01]: And he held on to the ball a bit longer.
23:22
[SPEAKER_01]: I think with Ben's got him doing right now, get back, get the ball at your hands, let the guys that are supposed to run with it, let the guys that are supposed to catch you, do their job.
23:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought last year he tried to do so much, which is not uncommon for a young quarterback with athletic skills.
23:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I did the same thing early on.
23:40
[SPEAKER_01]: You just don't know what you're looking at yet.
23:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Defensively, they throw so many things at you, so many combinations, and you're not quite certain where to go with the ball.
23:48
[SPEAKER_01]: So you hold it.
23:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, all of a sudden, you're running for your life.
23:50
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this year, he's been much more disciplined.
23:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, thrown eight touchdowns, only two interceptions.
23:54
[SPEAKER_01]: He protected the ball very, very well.
23:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a big jump I've seen from Caleb.
23:59
[SPEAKER_01]: And to be honest, we'll take it to another person.
24:02
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a difference between Josh Allen two years ago and last year as an MVP.
24:07
[SPEAKER_01]: getting rid of the ball, making good decisions with the ball in your hand.
24:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't turn the ball over when you have a chance with points on the board.
24:14
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm starting to see out of Caleb, which is, I think, for BearFans exciting.
24:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, bears fans are really excited about the, the Caleb Williams Ben Johnson combo.
24:23
[SPEAKER_00]: And we are like, you are 100% right.
24:25
[SPEAKER_00]: We're seeing the development.
24:27
[SPEAKER_00]: We're seeing him getting more settled.
24:28
[SPEAKER_00]: I was a little alarmed week one.
24:30
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he was really frantic against the Vikings on Monday night football, but things have really grown over the first four games.
24:36
[SPEAKER_00]: But that, let me bring you to last year, before we get to the Hail Mary game to the bears.
24:42
[SPEAKER_00]: And this has been a chronic problem with the bears is developing quarterbacks.
24:45
[SPEAKER_00]: And it couldn't just be a problem that they didn't get the right guy, right?
24:49
[SPEAKER_00]: That Mitch Trimisky wasn't the right guy.
24:51
[SPEAKER_00]: The Justin Fields wasn't the right guy.
24:53
[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, we also see a bears franchise that has had so much instability, where
25:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Mr. Trabiski has John Fox as his head coach as a rookie and Matt Nagy comes in in year two, Justin Fields as Matt Nagy, Matt Eberfus comes in in year two.
25:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Jay Cutler had a new offensive coordinator basically every year.
25:11
[SPEAKER_00]: The bears have had no stability around these quarterbacks, and hopefully now with Ben Johnson, that's something that Kayla Williams is going to have moving forward.
25:20
[SPEAKER_00]: But as someone who played in the league and has covered the league for a lot of years,
25:24
[SPEAKER_00]: How important is the stability and having the right people in place to make sure a quarter back, all these quarterbacks are talented coming out of college, but to really make sure that that talent is harnessed and they develop at the professional level.
25:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Both things are paramount bill.
25:40
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to have the right kind of coach.
25:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, look at Sam Darnold.
25:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Look at the growth of Sam Darnold, you know, with Kevin up in Minnesota, now all of a sudden out in Seattle.
25:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Look at the way he played.
25:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's a guy that everybody kicked to the curb.
25:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Can't play.
25:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Not good enough.
25:54
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, when you come out of college with athletic skills, you're good enough to be able to play.
25:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, who's gonna coach you?
26:00
[SPEAKER_01]: What kind of system are you gonna be in?
26:03
[SPEAKER_01]: And who are the players around you?
26:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Those are the things you look at, but you just can't keep changing teaching elements of the game around a quarterback.
26:11
[SPEAKER_01]: There's too much to learn.
26:13
[SPEAKER_01]: There's too many things that you have to learn.
26:15
[SPEAKER_01]: There's too many things that you have to process.
26:17
[SPEAKER_01]: There aren't enough hours in a day to be able to cover the things you want.
26:21
[SPEAKER_01]: So that growth has to come in a gradual basis, but it can't be going with somebody once, then growing with somebody else, then growing with somebody else.
26:29
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're constantly changing systems, you gain no continuity and consistency.
26:33
[SPEAKER_01]: That was the big thing of it in Washington.
26:34
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll transition for a second with Cliff Kingsbury stay in there.
26:39
[SPEAKER_01]: instead of going on possibly and moving someplace else out of Washington.
26:42
[SPEAKER_01]: For J. and Daniels, that was paramount for him to be able to have the same coordinator, same play caller, and then you add the pieces around them.
26:50
[SPEAKER_01]: And so two things you mentioned, that's a disability is so important, and who's calling the place?
26:57
[SPEAKER_01]: What kind of offense do you want to run?
26:58
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the thing that impressed me about Cliff so much, is the way he gets J. and into a game.
27:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I think back when Joe Gibbs called our place, we had certain ways to start games, to get me comfortable, to get the running backs coupled, get the line coupled, get the wide receivers comfortable.
27:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Art monk had to get the ball in his hands in the first two series, or he's like a right fielder.
27:19
[SPEAKER_01]: They're just, you know, think of the wide receivers, they're lined up away from everybody.
27:24
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you leave them out there by themselves for a quarter, a quarter and a half, their mind's going to wander a little bit.
27:29
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not going to be as focused.
27:30
[SPEAKER_01]: And so those things are so important when it comes to trying to put together the team you want, but the teaching habits for the quarterback.
27:39
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so since we were talking about last season a little bit and and their rookie seasons, Jayden Daniels and Caleb Williams, let me ask you about the Hail Mary game because like that that was a disastrous game for the bears and really the pivot point of the season that was a foreign to football team.
27:55
[SPEAKER_00]: everything unraveled after that game obviously Matt Eberflus gets fired thanksgiving weekend they have the ten game losing streak so i mean we could get into the specifics of Matt Eberflus given some free yardage before the Hail Mary and all the things that led to a tiring Stevenson doing what he was doing off with with the fans obviously a lot led to that play but i want to ask you as someone who's who's been in the locker room
28:18
[SPEAKER_00]: How important is having the right mindset and the belief in a week-in and week-out basis that you can win?
28:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Because whatever happened and no one can exactly say exactly what happened in that locker room.
28:31
[SPEAKER_00]: But something changed after that commander's game to that bearish team.
28:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Effort didn't seem the same.
28:37
[SPEAKER_00]: There was something went wrong.
28:38
[SPEAKER_00]: So what is it about a locker room in terms of trying to keep it together and keep it focused and keep in that mentality in the right place?
28:45
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the most important thing, if there's anything a coach can say, Bill, not nothing a coach can say will make a difference.
28:51
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the players in the locker room that have to remain strong.
28:54
[SPEAKER_01]: You need leadership in the locker room.
28:56
[SPEAKER_01]: You need guys that are there and say, look, okay, it's one game.
29:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, look where we are.
29:01
[SPEAKER_01]: It's one football game.
29:02
[SPEAKER_01]: you try and hold the ship together internally, coaches are going to say what they're going to say they're going to do the things they need to do.
29:10
[SPEAKER_01]: But internally, you have to look at one another and say, okay, what do we need to do?
29:14
[SPEAKER_01]: What do we need to not to let this happen again?
29:17
[SPEAKER_01]: You could see the air come out of the balloon for the Chicago Bears.
29:20
[SPEAKER_01]: And you could see it start to inflate for the commanders.
29:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the commanders, the last five, six games of the season, they were all one
29:29
[SPEAKER_01]: They were, you know, the Chicago Bear Game, the Hail Mary, then you get the Eagles, then you get the Cowboys, you have different games that were really, really spurred on.
29:40
[SPEAKER_01]: by the bear game, a belief that no matter what happens, no matter what the score is, it's not really over until the final tick of the clock goes.
29:50
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think for the bears, it was like my gosh.
29:53
[SPEAKER_01]: And for the commanders, it's like, yeah, we can do it.
29:56
[SPEAKER_01]: And it really, it was a momentum game for both teams, one positive, one negative.
30:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it really felt that way.
30:03
[SPEAKER_00]: And let me ask you, because, look, and I agree with you, I think the players have to hold themselves accountable.
30:08
[SPEAKER_00]: I talked about it a lot last season.
30:10
[SPEAKER_00]: After Maddie, Bruce was fired, things actually seem to get worse in terms of scores and point differential and everything.
30:17
[SPEAKER_00]: It did not improve where you said, well, if it was the coaches issue, then things
30:21
[SPEAKER_00]: should improve.
30:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Now again, I was not the biggest fan of Maddie, but I criticized and plenty on this podcast.
30:26
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not giving him a pass.
30:28
[SPEAKER_00]: But I will say, the players really seemed after that.
30:32
[SPEAKER_00]: And you kind of heard an after eberfluous was fire that kind of gently
30:37
[SPEAKER_00]: pointing the finger at the coach.
30:39
[SPEAKER_00]: And I know that's a dangerous thing to do, but it seemed to be a lot what the players were doing.
30:43
[SPEAKER_00]: And it seemed to be that they lost the belief that the coach was the right guy.
30:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, obviously, you got to play for Joe Gibbs, not really an issue there in Washington for you as a veteran there.
30:54
[SPEAKER_00]: But how about having the right coach in place and making sure the locker room believes in them?
31:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think having the right coaches so vitally important.
31:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's the leader of football team.
31:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Quarterbacks lead on the field, coaches lead the organization.
31:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Basically, and if you don't have the right personality, the right individual, it makes it tough to win in the game.
31:14
[SPEAKER_01]: It makes it tough to win at any level.
31:17
[SPEAKER_01]: And especially at this one, and winning has a way of building momentum.
31:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Losing has a way of building momentum.
31:25
[SPEAKER_01]: You get into a game that you win like this.
31:27
[SPEAKER_01]: You think yourself, we can do it all the way down.
31:29
[SPEAKER_01]: It's 60 minutes of fighting all the way to the last possible play.
31:33
[SPEAKER_01]: On the other side of it, you lose a game like this.
31:36
[SPEAKER_01]: It starts to doubt, starts to seep in a little bit.
31:40
[SPEAKER_01]: You say, okay, when's the next bad thing going to happen?
31:44
[SPEAKER_01]: And those are real things, the positive aspect of it and the negative aspect of it.
31:49
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think for the bears, it was like, okay, when's the Oh, geez, we lost this one?
31:53
[SPEAKER_01]: And then all of a sudden, you lose another one.
31:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody doesn't make a play.
31:56
[SPEAKER_01]: And you wind up losing that game.
31:58
[SPEAKER_01]: And all of a sudden, that momentum starts to build in a negative way.
32:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no.
32:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it absolutely does.
32:04
[SPEAKER_00]: So let me because I want to ask you a little bit about the 1985 Bears being this is the Fourierth anniversary.
32:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to ask you a little bit about your coach in those years being Joe Gibbs because I think we've talked about it.
32:16
[SPEAKER_00]: We've had some fun in terms of hyping up the the old height machine there with the Bears where Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams if they both reach.
32:24
[SPEAKER_00]: great heights can be one of those great coach quarterback pairings throughout NFL history.
32:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously we're way foot in the cart way in front of the horse there, but just saying the possibility the potential in the horse, you've got that cart and horse, so far, far right now.
32:39
[SPEAKER_01]: So far, I can see the rear end of the horses right now.
32:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but not that you were in the right direction.
32:44
[SPEAKER_00]: not even try and put it there, but I will say throughout history we've seen the great quarterback coat.
32:51
[SPEAKER_00]: It seems like almost every great coach, you know, Vince LeBardi, Bart Star, Tom Landry, Roger Stahlback, Brady and Bella check, Walsh and Montana.
33:00
[SPEAKER_00]: There's so many of those.
33:01
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you get to Joe Gibbs, who won free supermills.
33:04
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not saying that he had bad quarterbacks.
33:06
[SPEAKER_00]: He had excellent quarterbacks.
33:07
[SPEAKER_00]: You were an excellent quarterback, Mark Ripon won an MVP.
33:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Doug Williams was a very good
33:11
[SPEAKER_00]: But the fact that he won three Superbowls with three different quarterbacks had his system had obviously that the offensive line was a key John Regans.
33:19
[SPEAKER_00]: There were plenty of good players, great players, Hall of Fame players.
33:23
[SPEAKER_00]: But the fact that Gibbs was able to do it with different quarterbacks, what was it about Joe Gibbs that made him such an outstanding coach?
33:31
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, something else that he did with different running backs, too.
33:33
[SPEAKER_01]: People don't realize that.
33:34
[SPEAKER_01]: True.
33:35
[SPEAKER_01]: We did it with three different running backs, winning championships.
33:37
[SPEAKER_01]: The system that he put in place and the people that he chose to teach us, that's the other thing.
33:43
[SPEAKER_01]: What does a staff look like?
33:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Coaches today have a difficult time coaching.
33:48
[SPEAKER_01]: a football team.
33:50
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to rely on the assistance to deliver the message, to deliver the system, to get players to understand the system, to motivate the system.
33:58
[SPEAKER_01]: As a coach, you're one individual.
34:00
[SPEAKER_01]: You can create concepts, you can create situations to work in, but it's your assistance that make a difference.
34:05
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think choosing the people around him was a big key for Joe.
34:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Guy, he was familiar with.
34:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Guy, he knew could get his message across.
34:13
[SPEAKER_01]: And then it was an event of time, just as the Bears 46 defense was inventive when it came to the National Football League.
34:20
[SPEAKER_01]: What we took the two tight end offence to was another level.
34:24
[SPEAKER_01]: As a matter of fact, Joe was one of the few people to be able to go against the 46 defense.
34:29
[SPEAKER_01]: instead of trying to block it up, they just ran it to two linebackers.
34:34
[SPEAKER_01]: That was part of the key to being able to be successful against the bears.
34:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell you something.
34:39
[SPEAKER_01]: That front seven, that entire 11 football team.
34:41
[SPEAKER_01]: The 11 players on that football team for the bears is the greatest combination of athletes I've ever played against.
34:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Conceptually, they were difficult to deal with, but the athletes on that football team, holy macro, those believe me.
34:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I paid the price in that football game.
34:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Just trying to figure out where they were coming from, who was coming, eventually they wound up on top of me, so I knew where they wound up, but I wasn't sure where they were coming from, half the time.
35:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that game you brought it up.
35:09
[SPEAKER_00]: That was obviously a rough one for you and your teammates.
35:12
[SPEAKER_00]: The final score was 45 to 10, but you guys actually jumped out to a 10-nothing lead in that game.
35:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
35:19
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, had success early.
35:21
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was kind of the bears early in the season.
35:25
[SPEAKER_00]: They kind of fell behind and they'd scratch and claw to win those first few games.
35:29
[SPEAKER_00]: That was really the first game where they really busted out and
35:32
[SPEAKER_00]: really started beating teams.
35:33
[SPEAKER_00]: They would be Dallas, 44 to nothing in Atlanta, 36 nothing.
35:36
[SPEAKER_00]: They had some massive wins in that one.
35:38
[SPEAKER_00]: So what was it that you guys did early?
35:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Like what happened?
35:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Was it just the relentless pressure over the course of four quarters?
35:45
[SPEAKER_00]: How do you guys have success early and then have things fall apart?
35:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the reason I'm laughing is because just as the bear season turned last year on the Hail Mary for them.
35:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Our game turned with my one yard record setting punt.
36:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I was gonna ask you about that.
36:01
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I figured I'd bring it up before you did.
36:04
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it was really, we had a 10-nothing lead.
36:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Kick the ball away from Willie Goll three times.
36:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so now we're gonna kick the ball of Willie.
36:11
[SPEAKER_01]: We have a lead.
36:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Willie takes it back for a touchdown.
36:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Next time we get the ball, from the 15-yard line I'm punting, I get my record setting one yard.
36:19
[SPEAKER_00]: His gut, your punner was hurt in that kickoff.
36:22
[SPEAKER_01]: The Willie Goll turns right.
36:23
[SPEAKER_01]: He heard his leg and the kickoff to Willie.
36:25
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I, you know, I'll tell you the story.
36:28
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I'm staying on a sidelines and coach gives us going, we don't have a punner.
36:31
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a coach I can put.
36:33
[SPEAKER_01]: You can what?
36:34
[SPEAKER_01]: I said, I can put.
36:35
[SPEAKER_01]: This is fine, next time we punch you pun.
36:37
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we get the ball, we get the fourth down on the 15-year-old line.
36:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm standing on the goal line and I've got visions of Danny White because he's quarterback in the Cowboys, Ray Guy.
36:47
[SPEAKER_01]: My leg four miles in the air, my arms spread like a big swan.
36:50
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I had all these visions, right?
36:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually have a picture bill of my punt where he is bent and the ball is like a two o'clock, headed out of bounds.
37:00
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how somebody captured that photo, but I actually have that one.
37:03
[SPEAKER_01]: But that sort of set everything in motion the other way.
37:06
[SPEAKER_01]: They went and scored and from then on, it became an avalanche.
37:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Momentum is so key in games.
37:12
[SPEAKER_01]: One play turns everybody says, oh, one play doesn't make a difference in a game.
37:16
[SPEAKER_01]: They've never played in a game that one particular moment where one team gets belief in the other one doesn't get doubt, but now there's uncertainty.
37:25
[SPEAKER_01]: And all of a sudden, it's like a title wave coming at you.
37:28
[SPEAKER_01]: You just can't stop it.
37:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything you do is right.
37:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything they do is wrong.
37:33
[SPEAKER_00]: let me ask you one more thing about the bears and more about football in the 1980s and in that era and then I want to ask you about Notre Dame before we wrap up, but the you know you watch the highlights of the 85 bears or even the 86 giants and these these hard hitting defenses.
37:49
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, these plays are legal.
37:51
[SPEAKER_00]: These are not, you know, unnecessary roughness.
37:54
[SPEAKER_00]: These are not penalties in 1985, but I feel like if they did the exact same tackle in 2025, you know, players would be arrested.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I mean, they've made a lot of changes for safety and, you know, the gang trying to make the game safer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not, I'm not complaining.
38:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, these are the right moves to make, but just for the younger fans who didn't see football,
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[SPEAKER_00]: 40 years ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What was the difference like in terms of playing how it is today versus the kind of violence that there was 40 years ago?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would suggest to all young fans out there of football.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Go back and look at that era in the 80s and take a look at the way guys were hit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Take a look at the way guys hit other people.
38:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you're right, the penalties that exist today didn't exist at, roughing the quarterback.
38:43
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, one of my big complaints is when a quarterback gets pushed to the ground, that is not roughing.
38:48
[SPEAKER_01]: That, that's something they need to seriously take a look at because you're gifting 15 yards to an offense where it really is a necessary, you know, you're asking guys in a split second to turn their mind off and stop.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there are things in the game right now, and I'm all for safety as well.
39:04
[SPEAKER_01]: But there are things in the game right now that just don't make sense.
39:08
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, we're sort of in a common sense way in society today a little bit more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we had to carry it over to football.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I would recommend young people to look at watch a game and see how many plays, how many hits that were delivered on both sides of the ball that would be considered penalties today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a different game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You, and I tell young guys, even this today, don't count on the officials to protect you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Especially like with Caleb and with Jaden, two young quarterbacks that run a lot, don't expect the officials to protect you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When you head towards out of, don't slow down when you're running towards the sidelines.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you run through that white strip that's over there, you don't sort of slow down a little bit at the sidelines because it takes one hit to take you out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For them it's a 15 yard penalty for you it could be career ending.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is where you really need to be smart at this day and age.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even though they want to protect you, don't count on a protected.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, 100%.
40:05
[SPEAKER_00]: So let me ask you about Notre Dame obviously, famous Notre Dame alum.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not the start of the season, anyone Notre Dame would have wanted, but obviously a lot of Chicago for Chicago people are Notre Dame fans with the proximity there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What is your outlook on the rest of the season here, Ken Notre Dame fight their way back and get in the playoff and I also have to ask you about love.
40:27
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a phenomenal running back bears fans bears want a new running back and he's the guy bears fans have circled fingers crossed that he might be available there in the first round and the bears going to add him to the roster.
40:37
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a lot of teams that have got Jeremiah circled.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Being able to watch him play, I was at the A&M game, and I was at the Boise game, and I've been at other games when he's played phenomenal combination as a player.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Speed, strength, size, quickness, and of course, Sake One Barclay created a phenom and phenomenal thing in football when it comes to jumping over people.
41:00
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, every running back things they can hurt a little, you know, tall buildings in a single bound, but he and catches the ball very well, too.
41:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he does everything I agree with them.
41:07
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we started sort of in the whole a little bit last year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, we started this year that Miami game, one great catch in the end zone for a touchdown was a turning point in the game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the fourth down catch in the A&M game was again a turning point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We really had two maybe three plays in the course of this season that have really changed it, but they played well coming back up to 16 now as ranking goes.
41:31
[SPEAKER_01]: And so we just keep climbing and the team ahead of us, they keep losing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That'll be fine.
41:37
[SPEAKER_01]: We keep moving on.
41:37
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you've got to get inside the top 12.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's basically it.
41:41
[SPEAKER_01]: And the way Notre Dame is playing right now.
41:43
[SPEAKER_01]: And the growth of CJ Carter is exciting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a red shirt freshman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Really learning how to play the game.
41:49
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we started with Ohio State a few years back when Tyler Butter was a quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now we started Miami with CJ and CJ is continue to get better and better and better each week.
42:01
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think Mike Dembrock is figuring out what he has.
42:04
[SPEAKER_01]: In this day in age with the portal bill, it's tough to keep quarterbacks, tough to keep any athlete on any team, whether it's basketball, baseball, football, men's women, it doesn't matter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll hopefully have him for at least a couple of years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
42:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, before we wrap up, Joe, let me ask you about your book, how to be a champion every day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know you said it's available on Amazon, but tell everyone a little bit about the book and what you tried to accomplish with this one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, first of all, I've got stories about my career in there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Colonel General Powell wrote something of other friends of mine that are business leaders.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What I did is I took a look at the relationship between the world of sports, the world of business, and our own personal lives.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's basically the essence of the book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Football is a microcosm of society.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's the same thing about businesses.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not just a football book, but yeah, I talk about the one yard pun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I talk about my name being changed from these been to Thaisman at the University of Notre Dame.
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[SPEAKER_01]: talk about my relationship with coach gives and some of the things that we went through.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's more of a business book almost than a football book, but it's got football stories in it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And some incredible people like Joey Bozick, who's a triple amputee, who's a jujitsu champion now down in Dallas, someone who influenced my life when I had a chance to be around them, teaching people that, you know, you decide what you want to become in your life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't let other people tell you that you can or cannot do something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You decide that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You make that decision.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And different people like that in my life that have been incredibly influential.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so there you go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How to be a champion every day available on Amazon.
43:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Joe, thanks for so much time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Really enjoy the conversation and best of luck to your commanders starting on Tuesday.
43:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks, Bill.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate that and look forward to our Monday night win.
43:53
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
43:54
[SPEAKER_00]: There he is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Joe thighsman.
43:56
[SPEAKER_00]: That was a fun conversation.
43:58
[SPEAKER_00]: If you are a younger listener of this podcast, you may not know a ton about Joe thighsman.
44:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure you probably know the name Joe was covered in the league as a broadcaster did Sunday night football on ESPN forever before obviously things change up obviously that's not one NBC.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: a great quarterback, you know, probal caliber quarterback, not a Hall of Fame quarterback, but a probal caliber quarterback for several years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 85 was actually his last season, later in that season was the gruesome injury with Lawrence Taylor.
44:26
[SPEAKER_00]: He never played again after that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he's an excellent quarterback and he's an excellent conversation, excellent storyteller.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thought he'd be someone different to get on.
44:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Talk a little bit about this commander's game on Monday and I football.
44:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Get a quarterback's perspective on Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson.
44:43
[SPEAKER_00]: that conversation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I was going to bring up the one-yard punt because it's it's it's it's a famous play in that in that I Washington bears game, but at the same time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He just brought it right up, he wanted to talk about it first.
44:58
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's jump into the mail bag here.
45:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get a couple things on the board here and we'll give you the prediction for the Monday night football game.
45:05
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll start with Jayrod, who says, are you still happiest with Caleb Williams being the pick?
45:13
[SPEAKER_00]: If we played this out and said, you could have Caleb Williams with no additional draft picks, or if the bears traded the pick,
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[SPEAKER_00]: you could have Jaden Daniels with one first round pick or Drake May with two additional first round picks, who would you pick?
45:32
[SPEAKER_00]: That's an interesting question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate that question, J. Ron, because everyone just says, do you want Caleb, Jaden Daniels or Drake May?
45:41
[SPEAKER_00]: You made things a little bit more interesting.
45:43
[SPEAKER_00]: So let me break this down.
45:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's obviously,
45:48
[SPEAKER_00]: I would still take Caleb Williams and I'm not going to beat her on the bush on that because to me, you always pick who you think is the best quarterback regardless of draft capital.
46:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Like if I said, would you rather, and obviously this is an extreme example, but would you rather have Kyler Murray and if you're the buffalo bills, would you rather have Kyler Murray and four first round picks?
46:11
[SPEAKER_00]: or would you rather have Josh Allen?
46:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, you'd rather have Josh Allen.
46:15
[SPEAKER_00]: So to me, when you're selecting quarterbacks, you select who you think is going to be the best quarterback.
46:21
[SPEAKER_00]: And if the bears had Drake May as their number one pick and wanted to trade down because they had May as their best guy, then 100% you go and do that.
46:29
[SPEAKER_00]: But if Caleb Williams is the assessment, let's not talk about Ryan Paul's assessment here.
46:33
[SPEAKER_00]: If Caleb Williams is the assessed best quarterback available, you take
46:39
[SPEAKER_00]: the best quarterback available, and I still think Caleb Williams has the best upside.
46:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Jane Daniels Drake may are both going to be excellent quarterbacks.
46:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you've got three excellent quarterbacks in this class, Vonex, Michael Penex, you know, these other guys, JJ McCarthy, we'll see.
46:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not a big as big of a bonix fan as a lot of other people.
46:59
[SPEAKER_00]: He's having a good career so far.
47:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of it is Sean Payton with some smoke and mirrors, but I mean, bonix is obviously good.
47:07
[SPEAKER_00]: The question is, is how good is bonix?
47:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I think this quarterback class has a chance to be one of the all-time great quarterback classes.
47:13
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we talked about 83 with L.A.
47:15
[SPEAKER_00]: and Marino.
47:16
[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about 04 with Rothless Burger and Eli.
47:20
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think people are going to start talking about that 2020 draft as well with Burrow and Herbert and all those guys.
47:26
[SPEAKER_00]: So you've got, you know, a couple different classes.
47:29
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that 2024 class is going to be up with them.
47:32
[SPEAKER_00]: So yes, I still take Caleb Williams.
47:34
[SPEAKER_00]: But if I, I would take Drake May and two first round picks over Jane Daniels and one first round pick.
47:40
[SPEAKER_00]: If you were going to have me pick.
47:41
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, Bear Down says concerns about the defensive line.
47:48
[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't think they're gonna have it all season long.
47:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think Dennis Allen can turn it around?
47:54
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, Bear Down, I have concerns as well.
47:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know exactly how this defensive line is gonna play out because you've got
48:03
[SPEAKER_00]: warts on it now Austin Booker the practice window has opened will see if he generates a little bit more past rush than they've able to have been produced from the outside.
48:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Grady Jarrett has been banged up.
48:14
[SPEAKER_00]: You would hope Schermar Turner as the season progresses will get more snaps and will continue to improve.
48:19
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's reasons to have some optimism, but overall Andrew Billings just does not seem
48:28
[SPEAKER_00]: We haven't seen much from Turner at this point.
48:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Chris Williams is just a guy.
48:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Dango and sweat are not producing like they should based on their salaries.
48:38
[SPEAKER_00]: There are a few issues 100%.
48:41
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just don't see a lot of hope that a lot of this is going to get better.
48:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Javon Dexter has had some excellent games as a past Russia, but you know, they're not stopping the run as a unit too well.
48:52
[SPEAKER_00]: There's some issues there.
48:53
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see if TJ Edwards is back and there's, you know, a little bit better linebacker, Kyla Gordon comes back, a little bit better secondary.
49:01
[SPEAKER_00]: If that will help the defensive line a little bit, when those other units are stronger.
49:05
[SPEAKER_00]: But overall, I just think this defensive line, I thought it was going to be a strength, especially in the middle.
49:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I really thought the defensive tackle group was going to be really good.
49:14
[SPEAKER_00]: It hasn't been great.
49:16
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see if it gets better.
49:17
[SPEAKER_00]: with Grady Jarrett getting healthier and Schmartner developing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, fingers crossed there.
49:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Joe, oh, what do you think the Bears record will be heading into the Eagles game?
49:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Things get really rough at that point in the season.
49:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully the Bears will have a pretty good record.
49:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Alright.
49:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's take a look at this really quick here.
49:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll for I'll just say the bears loose to the commanders.
49:42
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll just say that quickly.
49:44
[SPEAKER_00]: So the bears would be two and three.
49:46
[SPEAKER_00]: They beat the saints.
49:47
[SPEAKER_00]: They're three and three.
49:48
[SPEAKER_00]: The ravens is going to be tricky because I think the ravens is Lamar Jackson back.
49:54
[SPEAKER_00]: I expect Lamar Jackson to be back there.
49:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Now the ravens are unraveling and certainly the bears can win that one.
50:00
[SPEAKER_00]: But if Lamar Jackson's back be in that
50:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you can't just assume the bears are going to win that one.
50:09
[SPEAKER_00]: So what I'll do is I'll say the Ravens and the Bengals, those are two road games.
50:13
[SPEAKER_00]: I will say the bears split those games.
50:15
[SPEAKER_00]: So they'd be four and four at that point.
50:17
[SPEAKER_00]: They beat the giants.
50:19
[SPEAKER_00]: They'll be five and four.
50:20
[SPEAKER_00]: The question here is the Vikings on the road and then the Steelers at home.
50:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say at that point Caleb Williams has a few more games under his belt with Ben Johnson, hopefully the defense is playing a little better.
50:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say they split those two games as well.
50:35
[SPEAKER_00]: They'd be six and five heading into the Eagles game.
50:38
[SPEAKER_00]: And then of course it's Eagles Packers, Browns, Packers, 49ers, Lions.
50:42
[SPEAKER_00]: That is a brutal finish to the season.
50:45
[SPEAKER_00]: So six and five.
50:47
[SPEAKER_00]: probably isn't going to get you in the playoffs with those games that like there's probably a decent chance the bears go like two and four down the stretch there.
50:55
[SPEAKER_00]: So they might finish below 500.
50:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I think if I assume your question here is more about can they make the playoffs, you know, and what the record needs to be.
51:03
[SPEAKER_00]: So if there's six and five going into that Eagles game, that's not a great spot.
51:09
[SPEAKER_00]: personally.
51:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they need to be seven and four.
51:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, they can absolutely be seven and four with what they have come up.
51:15
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not impossible that they can be eight and three.
51:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Those games are winnable games, but I will still pause because the only two wins the bears have right now is against a struggling, raiders team and a Dallas team that is, you know, they can hang in there with good teams, but they do have the worst defense in.
51:34
[SPEAKER_00]: the NFL and shots fired last one, tavern or deep dish and favorite non Chicago style pizza.
51:43
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, I like that.
51:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's do a little pizza.
51:45
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think if I live, I don't live in Chicago, I live in New York.
51:49
[SPEAKER_00]: If I grew up in Chicago, I moved to New York when I was about 30.
51:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I, if I lived in Chicago and had access to Chicago style pizza on a day-to-day basis, it would 100% be tavern.
52:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I love the tavern.
52:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I love the little squares.
52:06
[SPEAKER_00]: But because I love deep dish and love the opportunity to have deep dish, I'll get Lumil Nadie's frozen pizzas sent to me in New York.
52:15
[SPEAKER_00]: because that when I'm in Chicago, I almost always go for the deep dish.
52:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I think the deep dish as a once in a while thing is superior to tavern, but you can't just have deep dish all the time.
52:29
[SPEAKER_00]: You have deep dish once a week, once every couple weeks, that's too much deep dish.
52:32
[SPEAKER_00]: You need the tavern.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You need that nice crisp crust with the crust.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the cheese melted on top with sausage.
52:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Always has to be sausage, that's key.
52:40
[SPEAKER_00]: And the Lumell not is the giant sausage party on top of the entire pie, you know, chefs kiss, that is a beautiful thing.
52:46
[SPEAKER_00]: So I will say, tavern, if you live in Chicago, but if you're just visiting, like I have to at this point, you have to do deep dish.
52:54
[SPEAKER_00]: And favorite non-Chicago style.
52:56
[SPEAKER_00]: As someone who lives in New York, I am so sick of the New York style pizza is the king.
53:01
[SPEAKER_00]: It is not,
53:02
[SPEAKER_00]: the crust is too pretty.
53:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's what I always say about people in New York.
53:06
[SPEAKER_00]: You see people eat their New York style pizza.
53:08
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what they do?
53:09
[SPEAKER_00]: They throw away the crust because it's rubbery.
53:11
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not that good.
53:12
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you're throwing away the crust, you don't have a great pizza slice.
53:17
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got to be able to eat it from start to finish.
53:19
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to consume everything.
53:20
[SPEAKER_00]: So the New York style where you fold it in half and you're basically trying to turn it into Chicago deep dish at that point.
53:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, that's not it for me.
53:29
[SPEAKER_00]: I like, you know, I don't mind like a thick pizza.
53:31
[SPEAKER_00]: So Detroit style, that thick, not little seasers, but like good Detroit style pizza with the thick crust, with the cheese and the cheese is kind of caramelized on top and you got that nice, bready crust.
53:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I like Detroit style pizza.
53:46
[SPEAKER_00]: So if it's not Chicago style for me,
53:49
[SPEAKER_00]: shots fired, I will say Detroit style pizza.
53:52
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's wrap it up with the prediction and I did say let's just call the Bears Commander's Game of Laws and I think I am going to call it a loss.
54:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is going to be close and the Bears can 100% win this game.
54:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I am not coming into this game with no hope.
54:09
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not coming into this game thinking it's going to be a Hail Mary hangover.
54:13
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Ben Johnson's going to have them focus and have their heads in the right place.
54:16
[SPEAKER_00]: But the fact that Jane Daniels is healthy if Marcus Marriota was playing, I would have a different opinion.
54:22
[SPEAKER_00]: But Jane Daniels is a very good quarterback.
54:25
[SPEAKER_00]: This Washington team is a good football team.
54:28
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they're a great football team.
54:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think, you know, Joe still thinks that they're going to take the steps to be a Super Bowl contender.
54:34
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't feel like a Super Bowl contender to me.
54:39
[SPEAKER_00]: hide where they were last year.
54:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Now obviously it's early October.
54:43
[SPEAKER_00]: There's plenty of time for the commanders to get things together and really get into a groove moving forward.
54:49
[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, I just don't feel it clicking for some reason quite as much with the commanders.
54:54
[SPEAKER_00]: That being said, this is a home game.
54:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I do think with Jane Daniels there.
54:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I do think they win this one.
55:00
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think the bears are within the number.
55:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Right now it's a four and a half.
55:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen a five point spread.
55:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that number is crazy big.
55:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it should be that much, if you're a gambler.
55:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I would pick the bears plus the points.
55:11
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know, if I'd pick the bears on the money line to win this one.
55:16
[SPEAKER_00]: To me, this feels like,
55:18
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, 27 to 24 type games, something like that, 20 to 17 if the defenses are a little better there.
55:25
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the bears lose by a field goal, but I do think Washington wins this one.
55:31
[SPEAKER_00]: But like I said, if I'm talking about this game next week, and I am talking about a great Chicago Bears victory, that would not surprise me.
55:39
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's gonna do it for Bears bancher.
55:41
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk to y'all next week, fair and out, everybody.
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