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Patriots Catch-22 11/5: 3 Up/Down vs. Falcons, Deadline Day, Buccaneers Preview · Patriots Catch-22

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  Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
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  Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth.
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  Speaker 2: Bizarre and Lazar. Hello, everybody nailed it. Joined us always
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  Speaker 2: by our Bara.
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  Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars This.
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  Speaker 2: Is a social media offense. They do all these fancy
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  Speaker 2: motions and dipsy dues and oh, we're gonna have four
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  Speaker 2: receivers on one side of the formation and go four strong,
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  Speaker 2: and we're gonna motion bijon. He's gonna start outside and
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  Speaker 2: he's gonna motion inside, and he's gonna motion back outside
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  Speaker 2: and he's gonna motion into the pistol and then we're
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  Speaker 2: gonna hand him the ball. But then sometimes we're gonna
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  Speaker 2: throw them the screen and we're just doing all this
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  Speaker 2: different stuff. And all these defenses are just letting the
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  Speaker 2: Falcons offense go into a blender and then they're just
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  Speaker 2: sorting it out after the snap. You're doing all this
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  Speaker 2: fans stuff for no reason.
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  Speaker 1: No wonder the Dolphins cooked them. They're used to seeing
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  Speaker 1: that it's different.
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  Speaker 2: I almost you did, good for you, good job, good
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  Speaker 2: job by you on that one. Well, I want to
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  Speaker 2: give the Falcons a tiny bit of flowers in this game.
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  Speaker 2: Mainly just Drake London. Draank London was was very very
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  Speaker 2: good in this game. But I feel like that take
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  Speaker 2: kind of, you know, that's kind of how it unfolded,
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  Speaker 2: to be honest with you, in particular, and I didn't
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  Speaker 2: want to start here, but just in particular, the Falcons
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  Speaker 2: being allergic to the middle of the field just completely
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  Speaker 2: held up, and I just don't I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: that's Zach Robinson thing. I don't know if that's a
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  Speaker 2: Pennix thing. I don't know if it's both, but it
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  Speaker 2: is pretty funny to watch an offense that literally will
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  Speaker 2: only throw the ball outside the numbers. It's down the
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  Speaker 2: field or it's outside the number, all right. Anyways, we'll
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  Speaker 2: get to more Falcons here in a second. I do
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  Speaker 2: want to start trade deadline or the trade deadline that
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  Speaker 2: wasn't very deadliney or eventful for the Patriots.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to start there was an NFL trade deadline,
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  Speaker 1: and then we're.
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  Speaker 2: Going to do some Falcons recap. We'll talk a little
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  Speaker 2: bit about this Bucks game. Hopefully we get some time
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  Speaker 2: in to talk about the Bucks, because I do think
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  Speaker 2: this is a really interesting matchup for Drake May against
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  Speaker 2: a really blitz, heavy pressure, heavy good Tampa defense. So
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to that on Sunday. But let's start
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  Speaker 2: trade deadline. It's Evan Lazar, it's Alex Barth, it's Ax
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  Speaker 2: behind the glass, and we are going to be with
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  Speaker 2: you for the next couple hours here. And I understand,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I sigh before I'm about to give this take,
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  Speaker 2: because I understand the angst. I understand why Patriots fans
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  Speaker 2: are upset that the Patriots stood pat at the deadline
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  Speaker 2: and didn't make a trade. First of all, we all
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  Speaker 2: like trades. We all like when our teams make moves.
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  Speaker 2: It's just fun. It's fun to go and see, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you go on Twitter. I get the notifications. I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: other people. Do you know, Adam Shefter Patriots traded for
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  Speaker 2: player acts? Ooh, you know, like it's exciting. I get it.
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  Speaker 2: It's a dopamine hit. It's also a team that I
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  Speaker 2: think we can all identify is a little bit thin
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  Speaker 2: in certain areas because this is truly, as Mike Rable
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  Speaker 2: likes to say, this is year one. They've only had
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  Speaker 2: one full offseason with this regime, with this coaching staff
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  Speaker 2: to build up the roster. So they got some frontline
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  Speaker 2: players in here this offseason. All of those guys, for
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  Speaker 2: the most part, have contributed to seven and two. They
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  Speaker 2: deserve credit for that, But in order to continue to build,
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  Speaker 2: they are going to need a couple of years to
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  Speaker 2: build out not only just the depth, but I would
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  Speaker 2: also say like the youth of the roster and the
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  Speaker 2: homegrown players on the roster. So I get why everybody
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  Speaker 2: is frustrated, But I will say this for the Patriots,
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  Speaker 2: and this is not to carry the water take. This
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  Speaker 2: is not propaganda. I said this last week on PU
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  Speaker 2: when I got into an argument with Fred and mostly
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  Speaker 2: Fred a little bit of Paul about the Washington Commanders
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  Speaker 2: and the Washington Commanders going all in on what I
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  Speaker 2: kind of felt like was a little bit of fool's
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  Speaker 2: gold last year. So the Commanders at the trade deadline,
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  Speaker 2: they trade for Marshawn Lattimore. They traded three picks for
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  Speaker 2: Marshaw Lattimore. That trade has not worked out. He has
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  Speaker 2: not been very good in Washington, and now they don't
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  Speaker 2: have those picks moving forward to keep drafting and keep
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  Speaker 2: building around Jayden Daniels. So I commend the Patriots for
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  Speaker 2: still sticking to the plan and still understanding that even
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  Speaker 2: though they are seven and two right now and look
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  Speaker 2: like they're wide open in the afc UH, they are
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  Speaker 2: understanding that they might not be quite as good as
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  Speaker 2: their record indicates. The quarterback has broken out, the schedule
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  Speaker 2: has been favorable, and they've won a lot of games
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  Speaker 2: early in the season, and they deserve a ton of
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  Speaker 2: credit for that. But you have a long term vision here,
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  Speaker 2: and I think giving up draft capital. And I also
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  Speaker 2: just to add to this, they are not going to
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  Speaker 2: trade with the Jets, like Quentin Williams and Sace Gardner.
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  Speaker 1: Were not anymore importantly the Jets, We're not going to
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  Speaker 1: trade with them.
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  Speaker 2: Well that's what I think. Like that the Patriots were
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  Speaker 2: not going to be able to be in on Sace
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  Speaker 2: Gardener and Quentin Williams. So when it comes to you know,
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  Speaker 2: maybe like a Jalen Phillips. I don't know if the
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  Speaker 2: Dolphins would have traded with them either, but maybe a
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  Speaker 2: Jalen Phillips who is a third round pick for a
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  Speaker 2: rental pass rusher. That would have been you know, eight
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  Speaker 2: games you're paying for for Jalen Phillips, a third round
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  Speaker 2: pick Rashid Shahed, which is essentially a fourth and a
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  Speaker 2: six is basically like a low third. So you're giving
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  Speaker 2: up another probably third or fourth round pick at least
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  Speaker 2: for Rashid Shahed. Like those players are rentals. Those guys
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  Speaker 2: are going to be on expiring contracts. They're going to
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  Speaker 2: be up at the end of the year. And I
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  Speaker 2: am four or in favor of the Patriots not making
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  Speaker 2: those kinds of trades because I don't think that they
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  Speaker 2: should be investing, you know, top one hundred draft capital
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  Speaker 2: just yet in this roster. I think that they need
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  Speaker 2: to still draft and develop. I think they need to
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  Speaker 2: keep those picks because in the offseason, more players are
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  Speaker 2: available that might be bigger names, that might be more
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  Speaker 2: helpful to their team. So that was one element of it.
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  Speaker 1: Let me just cut, yeah, go ahead, saying hold on,
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  Speaker 1: and I differ on you slightly on that. I'll let
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  Speaker 1: you finish. But like saying hold one of the picks
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  Speaker 1: doesn't mean they have to make all eleven picks. It
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  Speaker 1: can also imply, you know, trade those picks when the
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  Speaker 1: market's more robust down the road.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly the other thing that I would say about this,
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  Speaker 2: and they're in the defense of not doing anything. The
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  Speaker 2: vibes in the Patriots locker room right now are immaculate.
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  Speaker 2: They have great team chemistry, they have they are buying in.
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  Speaker 2: You see it. You guys see it. We post all
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  Speaker 2: these videos, these postgame locker room videos, all these different
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  Speaker 2: things of how this team is responding to Mike Rabel,
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  Speaker 2: how this team is responding to each other, the brotherhood
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  Speaker 2: that's building in that locker room. So if you go
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  Speaker 2: out and you start adding even if you want to
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  Speaker 2: argue these are marginal upgrades. Jalen Phillips, Rashid Jaheed, you know,
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  Speaker 2: players like that that are marginal upgrades over the guys
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  Speaker 2: you currently have on the roster. Well, now you need
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  Speaker 2: to start taking players off the field that have contributed
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  Speaker 2: to you to a and two start. So if you
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  Speaker 2: trade for Jalen Phillips, that means that Klevon Chason is
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  Speaker 2: probably not playing as much anymore. If you trade for Ashijaheed,
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  Speaker 2: that probably means Pop Douglas, who just had his first
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  Speaker 2: one hundred yard game, is not playing as much anymore.
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  Speaker 2: And neither one of those guys have done anything wrong.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Chason's been on a little bit of a heater.
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  Speaker 2: Pop just had a career game last week, and so
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  Speaker 2: I think that there was an element of how much
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  Speaker 2: better is this truly going to make us in the
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  Speaker 2: short term, and is that worth sacrificing potentially changing up
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  Speaker 2: the juju in the locker room, the chemistry, the vibes
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  Speaker 2: in the locker room. So again, if you're frustrated, I
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  Speaker 2: get it. It would have been nice to be able
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  Speaker 2: to talk about and write about and break down film
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  Speaker 2: on a new Patriot trade. I want to go over
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  Speaker 2: some of the names that were dealt and whether we
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  Speaker 2: would have or wouldn't have and that sort of thing.
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  Speaker 2: But my big picture takeaway from this trade deadline from
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  Speaker 2: the Patriot It's is that I think that they're trying
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  Speaker 2: to build a sustainable winner and going for it this
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  Speaker 2: year by investing in rentals and things like that. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: it could have worked, and they could have had a
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  Speaker 2: commander's like running gone to the AFC Championship game, and
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  Speaker 2: that would have looked great, But would it have been
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  Speaker 2: the right thing for the long term. They probably decided no,
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  Speaker 2: And I can understand their thinking. What's just your big
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  Speaker 2: picture takeaway here on the deadline?
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  Speaker 1: So I I never thought they were getting a starting
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  Speaker 1: caliber player because those guys don't move with the trade deadline,
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  Speaker 1: Like we can get into the Sauce Gardner deal a
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  Speaker 1: little bit, and so like that's it's Haley's commet that
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  Speaker 1: you get a deal like that at the trade deadline.
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  Speaker 1: I was using the Von Miller trade as a comp
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  Speaker 1: last week. That was what two, So you really don't
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  Speaker 1: see moves like that. But you know, I was a
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  Speaker 1: little surprised they didn't add depth depth on the edge,
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  Speaker 1: depth at running back depth. It's safety in there, but
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  Speaker 1: outside of Kyle Duggar, no safety has moved. So I
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  Speaker 1: don't know that there was a market there for them
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  Speaker 1: to do that. So there was one. Yeah, So I
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  Speaker 1: mean those are some spots that now you look at
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  Speaker 1: and I don't want to say they're outright thin, but
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of like we talked about when when they
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  Speaker 1: Cutch Bill Peppers at the start of the season, you're
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  Speaker 1: you're putting rookies or young players who are unproven and
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  Speaker 1: you're potentially front facing them. Right, they need a fourth
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  Speaker 1: edge guy. You kind of use four over the course
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  Speaker 1: of a game. So that's either going to be Elijah Ponder,
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  Speaker 1: who's the guy, Kayla Murphy or Braden Swinson coming up
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  Speaker 1: from the practice squad, like one of those three guys
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  Speaker 1: now is going to be an increased role. And maybe
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  Speaker 1: they looked at it and said, we could trade a
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  Speaker 1: six for whoever, name it a backup edge rusher, or
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  Speaker 1: we have these young players, we want to see what
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  Speaker 1: they can do. We're going to create a role for
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  Speaker 1: We're going to create an opportunity for him. It's safety,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Richie Grant, John Saunders. Does it open up
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  Speaker 1: a role for those guys running back? The little differ
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  Speaker 1: because some of the guys that you would put in
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  Speaker 1: that category are already playing right Terrell Jennings, because the injuries.
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  Speaker 1: If Romandre's good and that was just a one week
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  Speaker 1: injury and he's back, then it's it makes a little
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  Speaker 1: more sense, you know. And we don't know. We'll see
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  Speaker 1: if he's a practice today, if Ramondre's banged up, then
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  Speaker 1: maybe there's a little more to that. So you know,
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: if somebody gets hurt now they are going to be
• 11:22
  Speaker 1: in a spot where you look at it and you say,
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  Speaker 1: well they you know, maybe could have used the body there.
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  Speaker 1: But just like you know again when they cut Jabrill Peppers,
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  Speaker 1: my big take was, well, Craig Woodson, you're in the spotlight.
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  Speaker 1: They got to really, they got to really believe in
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  Speaker 1: Craig Woodson to fill this role. And he's an unknown,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he was a third round or fourth round pick,
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  Speaker 1: like they collected him, but just we hadn't seen him
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  Speaker 1: in the NFL. So I think you might see some
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  Speaker 1: of those guys, and you know what, if Elijah Ponder
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  Speaker 1: or Braden Swinston or Caleb Murphy step up and play solid,
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  Speaker 1: they're gonna look really smart. If not, it's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: a second guest. But I was a little surprised they
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  Speaker 1: didn't add more depth. But I wonder if this is
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  Speaker 1: a continued case, and Mike Rabel talked about it last week.
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  Speaker 1: Even though there's seven to two, this is a multi
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  Speaker 1: year install of the program. I wonder if they looked
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  Speaker 1: at it and said, you know, we have these young guys.
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  Speaker 1: We invested a draft pick and Braden Swinson, Elijah Ponder
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  Speaker 1: showed us a lot in the summer and he's played
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  Speaker 1: a little bit here in NFL games. They go out,
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  Speaker 1: they signed Caleb Murphy off waivers, guys that they you know,
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  Speaker 1: they clearly even interest in let's get an opportunity to
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  Speaker 1: get these guys on the field, start developing them, and
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  Speaker 1: see what we're working with.
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  Speaker 2: So a couple of things there. One, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: wanted to name some names that actually did get traded,
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  Speaker 2: and I understand that you could make the argument that
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  Speaker 2: we'll make them an offer that you can't refuse and
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  Speaker 2: just get the player right. But right you mentioned running back.
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  Speaker 2: There were no running back trades. Yeah, not a single
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  Speaker 2: running back movie.
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  Speaker 1: I won't lie. I got my hopes up a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: I did wonder if there was an element of, all right,
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  Speaker 1: thee just one a third for Breese Hall. Nobody's offering
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  Speaker 1: that could like a fourth and a six get it done.
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  Speaker 1: But again, they weren't going to trade them in the division.
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  Speaker 2: Sow doesn't get traded. Yeah, Paular didn't get traded. None
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  Speaker 2: of you know, Taj Spears, you know, Jerome Ford, like,
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  Speaker 2: none of these guys that we talked about that were
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  Speaker 2: sort of depth running backs elsewhere that might.
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  Speaker 1: Have The only running back who got dealt and I
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  Speaker 1: think it was like a week ago. Cheffra is the
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  Speaker 1: full list. I'll pull it up. I can't remember who was. Now,
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  Speaker 1: there was one running back who got dealt like a
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  Speaker 1: week ago.
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  Speaker 2: Was there.
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  Speaker 1: I went through the list, I saw it was Michael Carter.
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  Speaker 2: Michael Carter is the corner.
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  Speaker 1: Oh there's two Michael Carter's that's right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Michael Carter's slock corner. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: No, so okay, So no running backs, no running backs up.
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  Speaker 2: No running backs got traded. So again, I get you
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  Speaker 2: could make the argument that, you know, if the Jets
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  Speaker 2: are asking for a third for Breese Hall and they
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  Speaker 2: would have traded him to the Patriots, and you know
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  Speaker 2: this is a theoretically right and hypothetical, then just give
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  Speaker 2: the third, like if you feel that way, you feel
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  Speaker 2: that way. But nobody wanted to give the third for
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  Speaker 2: Breese Hall unless he would have gotten traded. So Kansas City,
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  Speaker 2: I think there was a reporting out there they offered
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  Speaker 2: a fourth, the Jets wouldn't take it. So Bristol stays put.
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  Speaker 2: Pollard stays put. No running backs were traded. So it's
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  Speaker 2: hard for me to sit here and second guess, but
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  Speaker 2: why didn't you trade for running back? When nobody traded
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  Speaker 2: for running back? None of the guys moved at Edge Rusher.
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  Speaker 2: More guys moved than I think there's more of a
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  Speaker 2: case here. Obviously, we've already talked about it.
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  Speaker 1: This is the one for me that like, if you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna make a case, this is this is it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we already talked about Jalen Phillips, Joe Tyron,
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: Shayanka moved that player weird stuff, Like I thought he
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: was like having a really good start in Tampa. I
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: remember them playing Tampa with Brady was what twenty one,
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  Speaker 2: and he had a great game and was looking good
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  Speaker 2: as a rusher. Then he fizzles out in Tampa, goes
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: to Cleveland, doesn't really catch on there, gets traded by
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  Speaker 2: the Browns. Jamad Jones got traded by Tennessee. Now he
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: did not overlap with Rabel in Tennessee, so that's not
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: it's not a Rabel player, but but it was a
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  Speaker 2: tight fit. Yep, I agree, And a Daufe Away got
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  Speaker 2: traded like a week ago, so that's another edge rusher.
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  Speaker 2: Jamat Jones, I think is probably the one that if
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  Speaker 2: you were looking for that third guy right that hit
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  Speaker 2: the mold and maybe is a little bit more pass
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  Speaker 2: rush juice than like Anthony Jennings. That was probably the
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  Speaker 2: one trade that they could have made. And I think
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  Speaker 2: that it was like a fifth or sixth from for
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: Jamont Jones. But uh, you know, at the end of
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  Speaker 2: the day, that list is not you know, outside of
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: Jalen Phillips, who I already wouldn't necessarily have traded a
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  Speaker 2: third for Jalen Phillips, And I don't know if the
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  Speaker 2: Dolphins would have traded them here to begin with. It's
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  Speaker 2: not exactly a star studied group. And I would just say,
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  Speaker 2: like the other thing too, with the edge rushers. A
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  Speaker 2: year ago this time, you know, we were all pretty high
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  Speaker 2: on Anthony Jennings. Yeah, Andrey James is still here. Now.
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  Speaker 2: I get that he's not pass rusher, he's not third
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  Speaker 2: down player. I get that. But it's not like they
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: have no NFL bodies behind Chase On and Landry. They
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  Speaker 2: just don't have the guy. They don't have a guy
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  Speaker 2: that fits their mold. But if they had to lean
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  Speaker 2: more on Anthony Jennings at least on first and second down,
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  Speaker 2: they could, Like I don't think he's a terrible I think.
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  Speaker 1: He can play on early downs. It's that I think
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  Speaker 1: that that third pass rush spot's gonna be situational. It's
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  Speaker 1: Jennings on on early downs, another guy in passing downs.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's the opposite. You said they have an
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  Speaker 1: NFL guy, they don't have their guys that you said, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's kind of the opposite. They have a
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  Speaker 1: couple of their guys, whether it's Ponder or Swinson. We
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: just don't know what there is NFL players. We haven't
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  Speaker 1: seen it.
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  Speaker 2: I just don't know if those guys are you can't count, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, And that's that's the risk you take here. We
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  Speaker 1: don't know. But again I go back to like Craig Woodson,
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  Speaker 1: they cut to Bill Peppers, and it's a little different
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: because Craig Woodson was starting. We're talking about it depth
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: and most rotational role here. But I wonder if there's
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: an element if they just feel good about the players
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: they have, and why give up a draft pick when
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: you know we use a fifth round pick on Swinson
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: or we like what Elijah Ponder showed us this summer,
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: and and you know, you're not going to bury those
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: guys forever, right, They got to be here for a reason.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: And maybe they just figure we you know, we've invested
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: in these guys, We're gonna we're gonna push them up
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: into a bigger role.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Okay, So last thing on the trade deadline is. I know,
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: I'm probably I'm gonna take he for defending them on
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: the trade deadline. I don't care. I just I said
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: it last week with the Commanders, Like the Commanders were
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: in the exact same position the Patriots were, and they
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: had a really good free agency class, their quarterback hit
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: and they were you know, won twelve games and maybe
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: to the NFC Championship game, and they've taken a step
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: back now. It's a lot of it's because Daniels is hurt.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: I'll all concede that point. But at the same time,
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: you know, I didn't love what they were doing roster wise,
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: like trading picks for Deebo Samuel, trading picks for Marshawn Lattimore,
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: trading picks for older players that I thought were a
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: little bit over the hill and weren't necessarily going to
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: help them in the long run. The Patriots are doing
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: it differently, and we'll see who ends up being the
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: more sustainable team, you know, moving forward, it's a very
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: similar situation, you know, Dan Quinn, Cliff Kingsbury, Mike Rabel,
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels, Jaden Daniels, Drake May Like it's really kind
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: of a carbon copy of one another, and we'll see
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: which proach ends up working. Before we move on to
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: the game, the Falcons game and stuff, I do want
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: to talk a little bit about the Jets and what
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: they did yesterday.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: New York Jets. So I think the Jets won the deadline.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: I agree. And I've been talking about this with the
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Jets for a couple of years now because maybe this
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: is just a little bit of the Patriots fan that's
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: still in me. But I kept on hearing with the Jets,
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: especially when Rogers got there, how great their roster was,
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: and how their roster was loaded, and all they needed
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: was a quarterback and they were a quarterback away and this,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: that and the other thing. And at some point that
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: loaded roster had to start winning games, right, Like, you know,
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: you can't every year tell me how loaded your roster is.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: And then I look at the end of this of
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: the year, I look at the standings, and he won
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: six games, Like at some point, the roster is the
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: roster like you are what you are, as Bill Parcells
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: would say. Right. So I looked at this roster and
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: everybody kept on telling me how loaded they were. Defensively,
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: they haven't played a game. Yet without Quinn and Sauce
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Gardner their thirtieth in DVOA on defense this year, they're
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: one of the worst defenses in football. They were one
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: of the worst defenses in football last year too, so
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: they haven't been a good defense really for two years now.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: And yet I keep getting told that Sace Gardner is
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: this all pro caliber corner and Quinn Williams is this
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: all Pro caliber for defensive tackle. And we can talk
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: about coaching and system and all that, but Robert Sala
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: has left New York and he has gone to San Francisco,
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: and he's got that defense playing pretty well right with
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: the forty nine ers. So maybe he couldn't head coach,
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: but he could definitely coach defense. And I'd say the
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: same thing about Aaron Glenn. Aaron Glenn was a great
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: defensive coordinator for Detroit. Maybe he's not a head coach,
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: but he can coach defense. So I actually really liked
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: what the Jets did because I think the Jets looked
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: at it and said, this corp that everybody keeps hyping
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: as this really talented corps has one Jack. So how
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: much longer are we going to sit here and say
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: that we have all this talent on our roster and
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: act like Sauce Gardner and Quentin Williams and you know,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Bryce Hall and Garrett Wilson and all these young players
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: that we have that are really high on how long
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: are we going to act like this team is loaded
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: and then go out there and start the season one
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: and seven. The other thing that I really like about
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: what the Jets did, now I'll put this caveat in there.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: It's the Jets, so they're going to f it up.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Well, so I I have a take on this. Keep going.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: They are loaded with first round picks for a quarterback.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: So whether they want to draft twours, yeah, whether they
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: want to draft the quarterback or they want to trade
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: for a veteran quarterback, they have all this AMMO, and
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: the Jets, you know, just kind of wrapped up this take.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: They were going nowhere with this corps and they were
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: going nowhere without a quarterback. So what they've done is
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: they've put themselves in position to restock the cores and
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: probably get a quarterback. Now it's the Jets, so they'll
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: they'll screw it up. They'll find a way to mess
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: it up.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: So somebody points it out like they had a similar setup.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: I think in twenty twenty one. It was after they
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: traded Darnold Jamal Adams. Oh okay, and remember they got
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: some firsts for him and they obviously that didn't work.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: But yeah, in classic Jets fashion, So they're in terrific
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: position now to add a quarterback. The next two drafts
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: quarterback wise, are eh. Like, there's some guys some people
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: might like, it's not twenty twenty four where it's okay, well,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: you know this Kleb Williamstrake May, Jaydon Daniels emerges, right
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: this year's draft definitely, isn't that. Some people really like
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Fernando Mendoz and there's a lot to light. Yeah, some
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: people like Dante More there's a lot to light. But
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: those guys are traded. Those guys don't have the pedigree
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: that you expect from the typical top draft picks. And
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: then depending on who comes out and who goes to school,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: you know, twenty twenty seven, Julian Sayan's look good Ohio State.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: He's away. But they're the Jets.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: They're not drafting a quarterback.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: But they're the Jets.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: They're not drafting a quarterback.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: But drafting the quarterback might be the wrong move based
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: on how say.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Nothing was gonna happen at the deadline. So I'm not
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: really on a great run right now. It takes, but
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: you I I would be Woody Johnson has drafted Sam
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Darnold and Zach Wilson and watch it blow up in
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: his face. Yeah, And I just I would all, you know.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Adding to that, Aaron Glenn was in Detroit. They just
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: traded for Jared Goff and had that really work out.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: I just look at it, and I don't know which
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: quarterback it's gonna be, uh, but the reclamation project is
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: in vogue now. They're trying it like sort of like
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: a I don't know, like a C plus version of
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: it with Justin Fields, and it's not going so hard.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Right. You actually have to fix the quarterback.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: But you also need to trade for a quarterback that's
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: better than show.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: So who's who's been like bench recently, who's on the outs?
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Who's I don't know, maybe some guy in Arizona.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: That would be. I could see it.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: That's the way I look at it, Like I as
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: soon as Kyler got benched with in Arizona, I actually
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: thought there was a chance that Jets might trade for him.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Now interesting, Well, no, because they're clearly trying and bought
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: him out.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: But right, so, but then they ended up trading everybody.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins and they have the money for it. No,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: it's the Jets. He's terrible, Kirk Cousins, Kyler Murray, Yes,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: who whatever the you see? Andy Dalton's probably too old
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: to qualify for this. Yeah, do the Jets try to
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: make Joe Flacco work again?
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: No? Too old.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Cleveland's got a whole bunch of quarterbacks that could be
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: reclamation projects. Who else do we guys?
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: He's Kyler?
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Do the Jags quit on Trevor Lawrence?
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: I mean that would be a crazy blockbuster. I don't
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: think that's Geno.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Smith's probably too old to qualify for this. Oh, I
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: got a good one. I got a good one, Evan
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Tua in the division? Well what if Miami he like
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: cuts them? Maybe also Adam who cares in the division?
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: If you're the Dolphins and the Jets off for your
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: first round pick for Tua? Yeah, I'm just I'm going through,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: like the list of starting quarterbacks here, trying figure out
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: who the backups are. Russ Wilson Jameis Winston. Uh, we
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: already have the answer. Well, let's be throw up Mac
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Jones or Brock Party Rockberdy, Who're not bad? Whoever comes
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: out of their rock Party Rock, Party's not Niners want
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: to unload that contract. Jets have all this money now
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: they trade it.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: That's a good one.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Okay, Seahawks don't really have anybody. Oh no, who's theeks
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: back up? Drew not Drew Locke doesn't qualify as that.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: It's Party and Kyler are two good ones.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: I'm putting two on there. Okay, I'm putting two on there.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: So if we want to put those three, one of
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: those three, if I had to, if I had to
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: venture a guest, one of those three will be a
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Jets quarterback next year.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Love it and love it.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: I kind of like it. I'd love to see Kyler
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: twice a year. He's not going to beat the Patriots,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: so it just be fun a lot.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: You were, you were a big Kyle. I love Kyler.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: I still love him.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: What more? Good one from the YouTube chat here? Okay,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson, No, no, he is a reclamation project.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Not good enough. No, I'm talking about like perty's made
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: a Super Bowl he's a starting calendar quarterback. Kyler is
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: a starting caluber quarterback. Two was a starting caliber quarterback.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Richardson was top five pick. Maybe they'll trade a first
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: round pick for him. But what if they look at
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: it and they say, all right, it's not a good
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: quarterback draft. We're gonna hammer all the other needs. We're
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: gonna actually make the other needs, and then trade a
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: second round pick for Anthony Richardson, a second round pick
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: for it or whatever it is, a fourth round pick, whatever,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: not a first round pick.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: It's it's just justin feels all over again.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: The Jets.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: No, the Jets the day, I would venture to guess
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: that they would go into the draft and screw up
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: the draft pick again before they traded for like a
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: true project like Anthony Richardson. If they're going to trade
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: for a veteran quarterback, it's going to be an established veteran.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: The only difference between the Rogers thing and this will
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: be age like they'll try to trade for a younger,
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: established veteran quarterback.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: I'm still putting two on the list.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: That's fine. I'm good for you Jets, Like, don't overvalue
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: your players like the Colts are going for it. Good
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: for them too, but too first round Pa and the
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: first and the second for Quentin Williams. I'm making those trades.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: How does sauce fit in that defense, do you? Uh?
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Probably a little bit like they're very disguise heavy, like
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: they did a lot of you know, lou Ana Rumo
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: is a big disguiser. I think the reason why and
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: I do I guess I can give this a little
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: bit of a Sauce take here, but I do want
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: to move.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: This is relevant to the Patriots. Well, look, the Patriots
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: and Coults are Everybody say Patriots don't do anything. Other
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: teams got better. There's some truth to that. I mean,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: the Bills didn't make a move, the Chiefs didn't make
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: a move, the Texas didn't make a move, the Steelers
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: made a minor move they traded for Kyle. But this
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: is the one team at the top that went for it.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: So it is relevant to the Patriots, and I I look,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: I think Saw is a good player. He's going from
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: like the least disguised defense to the most disguised defense
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: and that feels like adjustment.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, but I think it's an adjustment in his
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: favor because here My whole thing was Sauce, and I'll
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: admit that this is maybe a little bit of Christian
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Gonzales bias, But like Sauce is, a is his own corner.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Zas plays.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: We've always been man over zone on this show, going
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: back before Sauce Organzalez.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: He plays on his side of the field. He will
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: man up on his side of the field on the
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: back side on you know some occasions in their old
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: system under Salah, you know, running the the Mabel coverages
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: like the Seattle used to do with with Richard Sherman.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: But like it's his own defense, it's a Cover three defense.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: The defense that they're playing now with Aaron Glenn. I
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: haven't looked at all the numbers, but just based off
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: of what he did in Detroit and what I think
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: he's doing with the Jets, they are a blitzman defense,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: so they are an aggressive blitzman defense, and I've just
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: never thought that Sauce was in a great man coverage corner.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying he can't play it at a decent clip.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like he's not a Christian Gonzalez, Stefan
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Hill More, Darrell Rebis, I'm going to shut down my
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: guy man coverage corner. So I think going to lou
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: is probably better for him, and with Indianapolis because it
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: is more of a disguise zone. We're going to show
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: this picture, change it, that sort of thing, which probably
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: fits him. He's going to be able to play his
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: side of the fields. He's not going to be traveling
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: with receivers and things like that. But I think that
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: the crack started to show with Sauce once the Jets
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: started to play more man coverage. They played a little
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: bit more of it last year with Olbrick and Sala,
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: and then they've played a lot more of it this
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: year with Darren Glenn. And that's just not his skill set.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: It's not what he's best at. You know. He reminds
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: me a lot more of you know, the zone corners
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: of the of the past than the man guys. So
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: I think that it helps Sauce. I think it helps
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: the Colts certainly, because they were really needed corners.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: They started thin there and they got banged up, and
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: they needed it to be this year. Not leonor who's
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: the corner that got hurt in the like pregame collision.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Oh, I know who you're talking about I I he's on.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: He's on I R with a concussion.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, Travarious Ward Warren.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah so I uh, I like it for the Colts
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: and I like it for the Jets. I guess we'll see.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: I'm not a big Sauce Gardner fan. I never have been.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: It's not my kind of player. Uh, but he if
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: he's used correctly, you know, you have him played the boundary,
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: just play his side of the field, you know, have
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: him a man up on verticals and then play you know,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: a zone coverages most of the time. I think he
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: can be a good player. He is a good player.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: How you feel being a quarterback or receiver in that division?
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Now I got Sauce Gardner, You got Stingley in Houston,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Travis Hunter and.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: James I think is awesome. I love Stingley, sting and Stingley.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: That was that draft. Remember that was the debate. Who
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: was we were? We were early, but we were not wrong.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: We're not wrong. But yeah, and then wait, who am
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: I missing there? So you got Stingley, you got Travis Hunter,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: you got saw us. Uh Titans, Yeah, they'll get something.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: I mean they have sneed, but he's a little older.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: He's kind of dogging it right now, Well, they don't
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: need a quarterback, so if they're at the top of
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: the draft and you know, maybe they go corner up there.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: So that's the trade deadline. I'm I'm sure that you
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: all have a lot of opinions, a lot of opinions
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: on this trade.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: People or I don't remember people getting so worked up.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: It's the NFL like it the NFL trade And this
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: is I'm somebody who loves all things NFL, all things football.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: This is me, right, yeah, this is me who sits
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: down appointment viewing Hall of Fame game. The NFL trade
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: deadline to me, and it's getting Look, I will respect
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: it more when it becomes a bigger deal. And we've
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: come a little bit of a ways. It used to
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: be like two or three moves, you know, twenty over
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: the course of two, you know, two months or I
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: just say a month and a half. So there's a
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: little bit more there. But it's not. You can't treat
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: it like the baseball, basketball, hockey deadlines because it's different.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: It's fundamentally different. Getting a player in the loop mid season,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: especially at certain positions in football, is just different than
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: doing it in other sports.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: There's there seems to be every trade deadline, and I
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: meant to do this off the top of the show
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: because I'm sure i'll get blood to oblivion today. I said,
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: yesterday Jacobe Myers is going to be the biggest trade
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: of the day, and then thirty minutes later, Sascardner got traded.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: So I was dead wrong about that, dead wrong, may Kulpa,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: I was wrong.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: It was more happened, And I guess it's Hallie's comment
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: like that's again the last pig. Although I forgot von
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Miller didn't even go for a first round pick.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: So I think it seems like there's one team that
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: will decide at this time of year that we're fire sailing.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: A couple of years ago, it was Washington they traded
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: both their pass rushers, Chase Young. I was in Montes Sweat.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: I always forget much sweat it is. They traded Montes
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Sweat and Chase Young at the deadline. The year before
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: they drafted Jayden Daniels. The Jets decided to fire sale
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: this year, like there's always one team that decides to
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: make a splash and trade a star player that you're
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: not expecting but it's just not like those other deadlines
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: where there's like significant movement throughout the league.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Like you don't have the landscape of the league change.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Right right, And I still think you don't really have
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: it even now, Like Quentin Williams going to the Cowboys
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: isn't gonna.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Really Why did the Cowboys do that?
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Because Jerry's like obsessed with making the micro Parsons trade
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: look like it was the smart move.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, well, credit to the Patriots two strong
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: defensive tackles. Is that like the it thing? Now he's
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: trying to recreate Barmore and Million Williams with Kenny Clark
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: and Kenny Clark and Quentin Williams. But we'll get to
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: that after losing that game with the Cardinals and up
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: for first round pick as wild.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, so let's let's talk a little bit of Falcons.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: I'm not We'll try to be a little bit quicker
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: through this, since we did a lot of the trade
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: deadline stuff off the top of the show. Much talk
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: about from this game, But I do want to talk
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: a little bit of Drake may and I do want
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: to talk a little bit about the defense and what
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: they did with the defense. So I think my big
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: take with Drake May and I know that he's you know,
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: he's Drake May, Like we don't we don't criticize Drake
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: May now, right, we gotta that's our guy, that's that's
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: our quarterback. Right, you don't want to be uh, you know,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: I get a lot of heat for criticizing Drake May.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing that I'm watching with Drake
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: May over the last really since the start started with
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: the Tennessee game a little bit. It was just like
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: the last final hurdle of his development, Like he's thrown
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: the ball great. When his throws, when he's throwing the football,
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: when he's actually getting rid of the ball are have
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: been great. And I think his decisions of where he's
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: throwing the ball when he throws the ball have been great.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: So that's still arrow way way up. Like he's still
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: making every single week. You know, this week touchdown to
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: Pop Douglas, the fifty eight yarder to Pop Douglas, The
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: twenty one yarder to Digs in the second half, I
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: thought was a great drive throw in between a couple zones,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: like he's still making three or four big time threw
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: was a game every single week. And he's still basically
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: played winning football in this game for the most part,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: you know, fifty point five qbr I had him basically
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: with an even plus minus split in terms of you know,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: grading the film. So there's still a lot of good
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: things that he's doing. He's still playing at a reasonably
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: high level. But the last sort of mountain here for
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: him to climb as a quarterback, I think is managing
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: time in the pocket. You know, went to stay, went
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: to you know, go through his progressions, went to scramble,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: went to throw the ball away, went to just cover
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: up and take the sack, like trying to figure out
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: And I think this is a byproduct of being a
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: young athletic quarterback who still kind of thinks that he's
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: the best athlete on the field all the time, which
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: he might be, frankly, but he's got to figure out
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: a little bit, you know better, how to manage his
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: time in the pocket. And the sacks are starting to
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: pile up. He's second in the league in sacks. He
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: is the third highest sack rate in the league right now,
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: over ten percent of his dropbacks into the sack. So
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: when you still you know, routinely into his credit, he
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: gets them out of long down and distances better than
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: any quarterback in the league. It's kind of uncanny how
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: he can take a sack on first and second down
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: and still move the chains is rare, But that's a
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: tough way to live in the NFL if you are
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: constantly playing in third and long eventually more times than not,
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: especially when you start to play against the better defenses,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: that type of stuff starts to creep up and bite
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: you in the butt. When you're in third and long
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: against in Atlanta is a good defense. But when you're
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: in third and long in the playoffs against Buffalo or
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Kansas City or Houston or you know, one of these
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: good defenses that's going to be in the AFC Chargers,
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: you know whatever, that's a lot different than when it's
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: early November at home against Atlanta at a one o'clock game.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: So they have to he has to cut down on
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: how much time you know, he's he's got to make
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: better decisions in the pocket. And you know, I could
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: go through examples I did yesterday on PU that we
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: can discuss. But the whole point is is just it's
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: not necessarily all the same of Okay, he's holding the
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: ball too long or he's leaving. It's kind of both,
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: like he's just it's just management in general of when
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: is it clean pocket? When can I go one, two,
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: three through a progression because I'm cleaning the pocket, versus
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: I have to get out in this instance because there's
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: pressure here. So that that's just my take on Drake
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: May right now. I'm not alarmed. I'm not concerned. I
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: don't have any big picture concerns about where he's at
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: at all. But this is something that we can point
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: to and just say, as a second year quarterback who's
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: still technically developing, you know, this is kind of his
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: last hurdle. Is he can't be taking six sacks a game.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just too So I do wonder if and look,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: we had talked about the pace he was playing out
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: was absurd, like he was going to take a step back,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: And the reality is if that game represents his step
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: back game, he's gonna be fine. Got to do a
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: bad job of holding onto the football. The second fumble
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: really is you know, he just gets bumped and let's
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: go of it. The first one, he'd I think maybe
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: he got in a roll and he got a little
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: bit comfortable. He talked about this after the game. Some
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: bad habits came back. Remember he had a fumble like
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: that last year. I think it was in London where
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: he tried to stiff arm the the defender off of him. Yeah,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: and fumble the ball. Like it's almost a carbon copy
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: if you go back and look at it. I do
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: wonder if some of the one in the preseason this
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: preseason's right, Yeah, I do wonder if the higher sack
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: rate and the lower turnover rate are related. And he
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: talked about this in the past, that he needs to
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: know when to give up on the play and go down.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: And there are times when you like, we're gonna get
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: on him for taking two many sacks, But at the
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: same time, you can say that play at the end
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: of the half, he should have taken the sack, right,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: they blow the protection, he's he's dead to rights, like
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: go down or at least get outside thrown away, but
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: like take the sack there.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Well, that's why you know I brought up managing time, right,
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: Like it's not necessarily about always getting rid of the
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: ball quickly. It's just in that exact instance, like the
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: management there, yeah, is just take the sack, right.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: So I do feel like the high and look, the
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: offensive line is absolutely responsible for some of it, where
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: especially the interior, we're starting to see them get picked
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: on a little bit more here, Mike oh and Win
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: who's had a couple of rough games, you know, going
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: back the last month or so. But I do look
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: at it and say, okay, well, he's taking more sacks,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: he's turning the ball over less. I do think those
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: two things are related. Ideally you're doing neither. This isn't
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: necessarily defended. I just think that's part of the reason
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: the sack number is so high is because he's he's
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: doing a better job of not throwing these ridiculous mid
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: contact interceptions like he was doing at times last year.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Now to your points, managing the pocket. It's cutting both
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: out and being better of because there's also been times
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: some of these sacks he is I think like two
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: or three of these this year where he gets run
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage, and you
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: can't do that as a quarterback like just you know,
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: well he did in this game, and I almost he
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: did want to applau like he threw the ball. He
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: threw it right, like the first time. You want to
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: buy that time you have, you want to buy time.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: You have as much time as there is for you
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: to get from the pocket to the sideline. There's no reason.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: This is all quarterback. I ripped to it for this.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: He did it against the Patriots in that game in
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Week two. There's no reason a quarterback should ever go
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage, like just
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: because there's no grounding at that point. Just flicking forward
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: out of bounds out of it. And now look he
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: did this last year in Chicago. He didn't throw it
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: far enough and he got picked off. So you got
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: to make sure you're getting it out there.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: It's not when he's out inside the pocket, you know,
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: like the one on Yeah, they cut the ones that
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: you're talking about. You can just chuck that thing like
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: he's outside the pocket and.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: That that's what I'm saying. Well, you got to make
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: sure you really chuck it. Remember he tried it last
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: year in Chicago.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: That was like more towards inside the middle of the.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: That's fair like, So that that's that's one for me.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Where like he can cut back is throw those away
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: or even you know, he'll get dragged down way outside
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: the pocket, like just throw those ways. Got to be
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: more comfortable throwing the ball away.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: So I really I thought in this game, and this
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: was similar to the game against Tennessee. I'm not saying
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: that he I think the term one read quarterback comes
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: up and people get spooked by that. I'm not saying
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: that he does this all the time. Like he definitely
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: has evidence of going through the progressions and uh and
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: not being you know, a one and run quarterback. But
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: there are instances on this film where it felt like
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: he was one and run a little bit too often.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: You know, he's looking down, you know, at the right
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: side at the initial you know, reading the progression. It's
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: not there. And then his next instinct instead of just
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: progressing from you know, right to left to Stefan Diggs
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: wide open in the middle of the field, his next
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: instinct is eyes down running. And what I see a
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: lot of his sacks happen, you know, two or three
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: in this game and then probably two or three in
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: the Titans game as well, is him running into the
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: line of scrimmage because he's trying to get out of
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: the pocket through the middle of the field and in
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: the pocket collapses on him. So those sacks go down.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: I know, you know a lot of people talk about
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: this as well. Those sacks go down as like two
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: or three yard sacks. They're not those backbreaking like eight yard,
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: nine yard, ten yard sacks. So it's like less of
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: a burden I suppose on the offense. But I want
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: to see him going through his progression right Like when
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: he's looking down the right side at the initial read,
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: it's not there. You want to see him come back
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: to the middle of the field because that's the way
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: the play is designed. So like he has, you know,
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: on the right hand side, he's got a hunter Henry
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: on a little option. It's not there. Stefan Diggs is
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: going to come from the back side of the formation
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: and he's going to cross right into his line of
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: vision from the backside of the formation. Because the goal
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: is for him to just go from right to middle.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: I'm not asking him go right all the way to
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: the left side of the field. You're just asking him
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: to go from one to two. And you know there
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: are times where he does that and then there's times
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: where he doesn't do it, and they just need to
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: have him be a little bit more consistent with that,
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: because there are open receivers on the film and a
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: lot of these sacks, and I'm not talking about the
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: ones that are on the other side of the field.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: We're not playing Madden where you can just say, hey,
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: you know X is open and spam the button. No,
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: we're talking about actual quarterback play, going through a progression
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: as an NFL quarterback. So I just would like to
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: see him do that a little bit more consistently again,
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: throwing the ball grate. There's three or four big time
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: throws a game. He's still making big time plays. But
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: that's just where I'm at with Drake May right now.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: And I think this is gonna be an interesting game,
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: you know, moving forward with Tampa Bay, because they're gonna
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: come after him like that's what Todd Bowles does. He's
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: gonna blitz the crap out of him. They're gonna pressure him,
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: and they're gonna make him make those types of decisions
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: all day. Am I leaving? Am I staying? Is there pressure?
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Is there not pressure?
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Do I need to just go down and take a sack?
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Do I need to throw this ball away? Like he's
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: going to have to make those decisions for four quarters
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: against Tampa Bay on Sunday. So I'm interested to see
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: how that goes. The other thing, I'm just on the
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: sort of the good side. Stick to that for a second.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: I was we talked about it. It was last week
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: where we did the whole man coverage thing, right, and
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: like how they were playing man coverage. I don't know
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: if that was last week or or two weeks ago.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: I was really excited about how they played band coverage
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: in this game. I thought that they played the style
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: of coverage I liked a lot more. And I'm talking
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: mostly between the twenties. We'll get to the red zone stuff,
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: but the between the twenties stuff. Specifically, they shadowed receivers
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: strictly shadowed receivers gonzales On, Drake London, Carlton Davis had
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Darnell Mooney, and Marcus Jones had Bijon when Bijon flexed out,
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: which I thought was a really well done game planned wrinkle.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: So every time Bijon was flexed outside the formation out
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: of the backfield, he got Marcus Jones, which I thought
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: was really good. Yep, that's if you're going to play
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: a lot of man coverage, that's how you have to
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: do it. You cannot allow your opponent to put their
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: third receiver on Christian Gonzales because Christian Gonzales is just
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: glued to the boundary of the entire game. You have
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: to shadow and travel with the receivers. The other thing
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: that I thought they did more of in this game
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: was putting robber or low whole help. They really played
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: a lot of of cover one whole, not true robber,
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: but they had Christian Ellis it was or explained sometimes
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: just in that first window, you know that first level
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: window right at like the five or six yard or
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: so down the field, So that just allows these corners,
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: like if they run a shallow if they run a
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: slant like anything like that, that's all going to be helped.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: That's going to be leveraged by that defender. So now
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: you have the low hole help from the first level,
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: and then you have the post safety help over the
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: so now you have support in the middle of the
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: field for the man coverage defenders. So it's all a
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: long winded way of saying in this game, Michael Pennix
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: between the twenties and we'll get to the red zone stuff.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Between the twenties, he was one for seven against man
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: coverage in this game. He had one completion. It was
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: after the Gonzales injury. It was a downfield throw to
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Drake London where he broke the pocket and extended to play.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: Other than that, the Patriots completely shut down Atlanta and
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: man coverage. That's what this defense needs to do more.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: That's where they need to live. That's where that needs
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: to be their backbone of their coverage. So I was
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: really excited by the Marcus Jones Bijon wrinkle. I thought
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: was really good. It was great to see Christian Gonzales
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: just go toe to toe with Drake London for three quarters.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately it wasn't the full four, but we saw it
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: for three and I thought until that forty yard bomb,
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Christian Gonzalez was winning the matchup with Drake London. So
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: I really like to see that. But this is more
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: like it like if they play man coverage like this,
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: their past defense is going to get better. And I
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: was exciting to see that.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it you know, continuing to grow in that regard.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: We can get to the red zone stuff, but that's
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: in the crap.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: That gets you beat. Okay, yeah, the red zone stuff's coming,
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: so uh The other good thing I had from this
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: game was just pop Douglas. You know, I think that
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: he's sort of found his way here and his niche
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: in this offense, and it's not exactly what we thought
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: it was.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Well, what was I screaming all summer running vertically?
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so okay, you can take a victory lap there, right. Uh,
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: he's not running the Welker Edelman slot role.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Chris Hogan. Uh the branch well, I said, a cross
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: between Hogan and Amandola in the summer branch, all right, like.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: The on branch Colm. So right now he is uh
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: has a career high in a dot average, you know,
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: depth of target down the field ten point two. He's
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: basically a speed slot at this point. Like he's not
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: He's not the shifty jitterbug slot like we've seen in
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: the past. The McDaniels offense. They have him as a
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: speed slot running more vertical routes down the field and
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: it's working. Now we can figure out the open field stuff.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: He could maybe stay on his feet.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: So you know, it was like to remember Cordero Patterson
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: was like the opposite of that. Cordero Patterson would like
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: stumble through his routes and the second he got the
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: ball in his hands, he was you know, Dante hall
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: On a Punterdard. Yeah, but it was really weird whether
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: he so pops the opposite, like he runs the great
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: routes and then the second the balls in his hands,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: he kind of loses it. But he's still making guys
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: miss even when he's stumbling.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So this is a bit a really good role
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: for him. He's kind of I feel, like I said,
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: he's kind of found his niche and you know, he
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: was great in this game. You know, the fifty eight
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: yarder is a big time exposed to play. The wheel
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: route touchdown was really really well designed by Josh McDaniels.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: But it was also he won his matchup. He got
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: the matchup and he won it. This is his role.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: This is the way that he should be used. It
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: reminds me a lot more of how he was used
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: at Liberty in college, Like he was more of a
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: downfield speed slot at Liberty. So this is the other
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: thing I would say too, just from a McDaniel's standpoint,
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: this is how McDaniel's was using Trey Tucker in Vegas. Yea,
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: So it's not totally a departure from Josh in terms
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: of some of the other guys that he's had. It's
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: just not the it's not the old school Patriots slot
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: that we kind of all anticipated, but this is, you know,
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: a new version of it, and it's working out for him.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: So kudos to Pop. I know, you know, he lost
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: his uncle and played the game anyways, and that that
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: was a cool story to you know, obviously bad story,
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: but like good for him, yeah, you know, and and
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: all that. But I think that, you know, this is
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: a nice little niche that he's found with these vertical
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: routes and these deep targets, deep crossers, post corners, things
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: like that. It's been cool to watch. Yeah, all right,
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: let's move on to the bads here. We already did
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: the Drake maysack thing. I'm not gonna you know, keep
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: going with that. I think, you know, start you know,
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: sticking with the offense. Uh. There there are some cracks
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: in the foundation here on the offensive line that are
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: starting to show a little bit.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: None of them involve your rookie left tackle though, so
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: you can you can have that right that that's a positive.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: I thought he was good again in this game. Honestly,
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: for like three quarters, I thought he was kind of
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: dominant in this game. Will Campbell, I thought it was
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: really good.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: The block he had on it was the treel Jenny
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: session on right.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he was really good in this game. Not
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: not great competition, you know, James Pearce in those.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Those first round picks.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: I know, but like those guys are not established players.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: But you want the top end first round pick to
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: look much better in the bottom end first round.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: But yeah, he was good. He was really good.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: But the the issues that we were having, and uh,
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: you know the Patriots are having, I should say that
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: we are going to talk about all off season. The
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: Patriots are trending towards squarely being in the guard market
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: this offseason. I think On when Wu, I know his
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: PFF grades have been good, I don't care, like I
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: will watch the tape myself, and I'm telling you Free,
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: I have not been a huge fan of On when
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: he's game all year long. Jared Wilson, we can say
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: it's that he's not a guard. I think that's probably
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: a fair sort of just way to look at it.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: They said in the spring they view him as a
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: center long term.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: He's just with Wilson, I think that there are flashes
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: in pass pro that are really, really good. He's just
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: not strong enough to play guard, and so he gets
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: into these power, you know, engagements, and he's base blocking
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: where he's one on one in the run game and
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: he just can't move anybody. You know, he's just not
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: strong enough to play that position on when expensive contract,
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: not really playing up to that standard right now, I
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: wonder about his long term standing here again long stories
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: or they need They're gonna need a guard in twenty
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: twenty six. They're gonna need to either draft one, sign one.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: Whatever we bring him back soda, we might be guards.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I would rather not draft one again.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: This is mean first round. Oh it did mean first
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: round that one time, we'll alter it.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: I just they're gonna need at least one guard, because
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: if you want to give on when he was some
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: leash and let him continue in this regime, in this system,
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: in this whatever this program, then fine, But Jared Wilson
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: is not a long term answer. I don't think I
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: left guard, and I don't know if on when it
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: was here for long.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Get ready to learn Jennings Dunker buddy that does.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: The kid from North Dakota State, Iowa.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: But he's the case got red hair mull and he
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: plays tackle now, but he might be guard at the
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: next level. Either way. He's one of the meanest linemen
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: I've seen in a long time.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so he uh a little bit of cracks
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: in the aligne foundation. The other last thing here where
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: some of the zone stuff is starting to bother me,
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: and I guess this is just the time that I'm
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: just gonna do this. I'm just gonna die on this hill.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: About the pass rush. I understand that the Patriots have
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: concerns in terms of depth at edgeresher, but when we
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: look at the frontline guys that are playing, the problem
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: to me with the Patriots pass defense right now is
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: not the pass rush. The problem is is that whenever
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: the pass rush starts to win, and I pulled clips
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: this morning, I have like ten of them that I
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: could show you of guys winning up front on the
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: line of scrimmage. But the ball is coming out so
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: quickly because there's open receivers, mostly against like off coverage
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: zone where there's just too much space underneath the zone
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: or too much space on the outside where they're giving
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: them cushion and there's just nothing the pass rush can do.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: Like Melton Williams just wins right up the middle on
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: a swim move and the ball is out, like you know,
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: they win. They're trying to run a game or run
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: a stunt or something like that and it's coming open.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: You know it's coming free. The wrap has come free,
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: but the ball's out and right now they they are
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: not playing tight enough coverage like sacks. They're eighteenth in
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: the league in sacks. Everybody wants them to get more sacks.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: Sacks is a team stat. Sacks is not a pass
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: For US stat exclusively, sacks is you need to get
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: the quarterback to hold the football. If you are giving
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: first read open throws to quarterbacks in the NFL, you're
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: not going to be a good sack defense. You're not
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: going to accumulate sacks. So when I look at it
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: on film, I think the bigger concern with their pass
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: rush is that they need to start having tighter coverage,
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: which is why I'm so excited about the man coverage
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: things that I saw from this game, because they need
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: to improve their coverage so that they can get the
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: quarterback to hold football, so some of this pressure that
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: they are accumulating can start turning into impactful pressure.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: So they got forty five percent pressure rate on Michael
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: Pennix in this game, and a lot of people that
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: watch the game came out of the game feeling like
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: there was no pass rush. But the problem was that
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: every single time somebody won up front Penix, the ball
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: was out of Penix's hands before they could get home.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: So if you can tie, you got to marry it
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: all together. It's it's eleven people, it's not just about
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: one thing.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: And it also helped that like there were times that
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: Drake London wasn't open and Pennix still threw them the ball.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: The obviously the London gets some credit in that too.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: The forty yard bomb is definitely one of those instances.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: But there's you know London that caught a couple in
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: this game where Millon Williams won up front and London,
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: you know, Gonzo's just bailing like on cover three or
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: quarters and there's like eight yards of cushion and London
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: just turns around and catches the ball. And that's not
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: a pass rush problem, Like, that's not the pass rush's
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: fault that the ball came out in two seconds. There's
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: nothing you can do about that. So I'm gonna die
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: on this hill. I just watch the tape, like these
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: guys up front will win. You know when they got
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: the chase on sack in the opening drive, If you
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: watch that play, it's because they covered the initial read.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: They ran a little bit of a disguise zone. They
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: covered Pennix's eyes. Mike Rabel broke it down on Patriots
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: dot Com was Zoe like, they cover the initial read,
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: it gets Pennix to hold the ball and the pocket
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: collapses and they sacked them. So he said it in
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: the past, and I'll echo what he said with Rabel.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: The sack stuff, it's on the coverage to get the
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: quarterback to hold the football you want, you need to
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: get the quarterback off his first rate. That's on the coverage,
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: both the call and the players executing the coverage. Once
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: the quarterback holds the ball and gets off the first read,
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: now it becomes about the pass rush getting home. And
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: I think too often with this Patriots defense, you're seeing
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: quarterbacks NFL quarterbacks hitting the top of the drop. First
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: read is open, ball is out, and that's just not
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: going to be impactful. Like, that's not gonna be good
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: pass defense, so I'm gonna die on the hill. It's
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: not the pass rush, it's the coverage. They need to
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: be better in coverage. Hopefully we saw you know, some good,
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: you know, man coverage stuff in this game against the Falcons.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: Hopefully that carries over and they can have better coverage
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: really quickly before we take a quick break. Does the
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: stuff that gets you beat the drake may strip sack
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: you just can't have it. That is crap that gets
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: you beat. The game was over, they're driving, they have
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: the ball to fifty yard line, they're going in for
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: more points, up fourteen points, and then they're gonna receive
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: the second half kickoff, so they have the chance to
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: bury the Falcons with double score. There even if you
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: only get ten points out of the double score, we're
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: not talking about a twenty point lead, you know, twenty
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: four point lead with like you know, a quarter and
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: a half to play, you can't have you can't have
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: that sack phone, Well, you just can't. So that was
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: a stuff that gets you beat this week. The other
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: one that I wanted to dissect a little bit was
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: the red zone and this one, I think you have
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: fair gripes in terms of the coaching and the game
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: plan and all that kind of stuff. I give the
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: Falcons a lot of credit. They attack the rules of
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: the Patriots in the red zone to get Marcus Jones
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: on Drake London a couple of times. But if you're
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: the Patriots, you just you you have to make sure
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: that doesn't happen.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: To Like the first time, it's a good wrinkle by Atlanta.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: Those guys get paid to but they got to be
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: more aware of it the second time coming back.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: So the first time they you know, the Patriots were
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: gonna switch it. They were in a banjo or switch
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: in you know, two by two, right, and they motion
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: London into the formation. So basically what they're trying to
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: do is Marcus Jones is gonna take whoever runs into
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: the middle of the field, and Christian Gonzalez is gonna
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: take whoever runs out, and they actually have Drake London.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: This is a classic a switch banjo whatever you want
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: to call it, beater, They have Drake London. His first
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: like two steps are inside like he's gonna run a slant,
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: and then he runs out on the fade, So it's
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: kind of like a double move. So when he runs
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: that little inside, you know, stem to the inside, that's
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: automatically going to have Marcus Jones declare as the primary defender,
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: like he's got to take the inside there, right, and
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: so that when London goes back out to the fade,
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: he's stuck on Drake London on the fade. The second
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: one was a bunch. It was a three receiver bunch,
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: and they knew that if they put Drake London in
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: the point, that Marcus Jones takes the point. And so
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: they put Drake London on the line of scrimmage. The
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: Patriots are probably anticipating him being off the line of scrimmage.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: He was on the line of scrimmage and he gets
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: matched up against Marcus Jones again. So they got beat
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: in the chess match there on the goal line three
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: times for touchdowns. They're red zone defense now, Alex, another
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: status going around. They are dead last in the league
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: in the red zone on defense. They're giving up a
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: touchdown seventy five percent of the time in the red zone.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: It's too much.
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: The other little thing here too with the red zone. Then,
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: and then we got to take a break. They're busting
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: coverages like crazy in the red zone and I don't
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: really know what the reason for it is, but it's
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: happened two weeks in a row and it's starting to
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: kind of become a theme. Last week they busted the
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: fanom touchdown, just wide open touchdown. This week they busted
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: a flat. They didn't have anybody in the flat in
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: the zone. Yeah, the twelve yard of debijon, which then
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: sets you up on the one yard line, first and
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: goal from the one. Once you get inside the five
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: yard line in the NFL, you score eighty six percent
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: of the time, so like it's kind of over at
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: that point once you have first and goal from the one.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: So in order to improve as a red zone defense,
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: you need to be better. You know, they break the
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: red zone into three pieces. You have the high red zone,
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: the low red zone, and then goal line. You need
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: to keep them from goal line, like you have to
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: keep them in the higher the low red zone, and
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: then get them to kick field goals from those areas
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: of the field. So right now, the Patriots, in my mind,
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: a big part of their red zone struggles or that
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: they're letting teams get the ball all the way down
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: to like the one yard line too much, right, and
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: then you're just not gonna stop them from there. So
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: that's the red zone stuff. I thought those are the
• 1:00:08
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  Speaker 2: after the fourth quarter, plus an adjustable base made for
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: sitting up to watch the last play for one hundred
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: dollars less than buying them separately. Score so stop in
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: and stock up at Bob's count Furniture, the official furniture
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: store of the New England Patriots. When it's a new
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: read and I've never read it before and I'm reading
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: it for the first time on the air, it's always
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: a little bit of you never that's that's I know,
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  Speaker 2: I gotta, I gotta.
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  Speaker 1: You never should read something for the first time live
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  Speaker 1: on the air. I know you're you never should do that.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: You're right, it's a good lesson, like uncomfortable.
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  Speaker 2: You already said that you were at Curry College last night,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: given lessons you should given that lesson.
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  Speaker 1: We didn't get to that. Maybe next week, maybe well
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: that I was a one off they invited me to.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: Thanks to Curry College, Jimmy Young and Curry College for
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: having me.
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  Speaker 2: Though my father is a proud Curry College am.
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  Speaker 1: There were some we didn't get to catch. Twenty two
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  Speaker 1: ors some patriots, unfiltered fans in that good class.
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  Speaker 2: Good. I like that.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: They said they enjoyed when the other guys get you
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: all worked up.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's not that hard to do. Yeah, it's not
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: that hard to do. Just come out.
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  Speaker 1: The kids love it.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: It's like two things. Like one is, you know, when
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: you make it about the stats, right, Like I'll say
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: a stat and then it becomes a referendum on the
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: stat Like, it's not the point. I'm just trying to
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: use some supporting evidence to back up my point. Like
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: we don't have to, you know, if I bring up
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: like a PFF grade or something, we don't have to
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: then spend ten minutes discussing whether or not PFF is
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: like a valid source of information, right, Like, that's the
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: part that gets me fired up. That's it.
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  Speaker 1: I just got you worked up on the concept of
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: you getting worked up.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's just you know, I've been thinking about
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: this a little bit and it needed to come out,
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  Speaker 2: all right, Patty is an on what's up? Patty?
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  Speaker 7: Hey, what's going on?
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  Speaker 4: Guys?
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  Speaker 7: So Alex you know me, it's never too early to
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 7: talk about draft, and especially since they didn't make a move,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 7: I'm not upset that they didn't make a move. I
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 7: was a little bit surprised because I thought that they
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 7: would actually look for some excuse me, at least some
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 7: help along the edge, you know, even if it was
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  Speaker 7: a depth guy. But I want to throw out a
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 7: couple of names at you and see if see if
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 7: you have any opinions on him yet. The first guys,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 7: David Bailey out of Texas Tech, who they might they
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 7: might be out of position to draft. But the other
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 7: guy I really like coming out as Quincy Rose Junior.
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  Speaker 7: He's an edge guy from Arkansas. You think he's kind
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 7: of a fit. I think Bailey is a fit in
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 7: any scheme.
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  Speaker 5: You know.
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  Speaker 7: I'll take that up the air. But the other thing
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 7: I wanted to ask you, guys, is if if Kyle
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  Speaker 7: Williams doesn't get going this week, is it going to
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 7: happen this year? Like is the because I mean, Booty's
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 7: probably it's not gonna be playing this week, maybe not
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 7: even next week against the Jets. Realistically, I mean, do
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 7: you think he just needs like one good catch to
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 7: get himself going? And I'll take those off here, guys.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks, Yeah, Patty, thanks for the call. It's a good question.
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  Speaker 2: About Kyle Williams. I don't know if you have a
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: take on those.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: David Bailey is and he's right, like Bailey's having an
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: unbelievable season at Texas Tech and the Patriots having a
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: great season, so they may end up like passing each other.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: But what what's the Mike Rabel edge rusher? Like six
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: two two fifty all about the first step get off right? Like,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: that's David Bailey is to a t when people talk
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: about what Mike Rabel's looking for on the end, and
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: there's other there's other good edge rushers in the class too,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: but in terms of like the schemes specific fit, he
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: was the consensus pick for the Patriots on the on
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: the mock draft database for a few weeks there. We'll see,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: we'll see. Here's the thing, there's all this is a
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: really good edge class. This is a really really good
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: edge class. And frankly, defensive line too is part of that.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: It's a good pass rusher class. So you're not gonna
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: have that. There might be ten edge guys and I'm
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: kind of rounding here, but there might be ten edge
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: guys that are top twenty five players in the class.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: You're gonna have ten edge guys go in the top
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: twenty five because the needs just starting dictated that way.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: Somebody's gonna have to fall, somebody's gonna go below where
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: they should because there's just so much talent. The position.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: This has happened with, you know, other what was the
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: position last year, This happened with that we talked about.
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  Speaker 2: That got pushed down.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the talent or we've talked about this before, different
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: positions wide receiver a couple years ago it happened. Yeah,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: somebody's gonna get pushed down, whether it's Bailey, whether it's
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: somebody else. Like, well, we'll get to that, but David
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: Bailey is absolutely a name Patriots fan should know.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right with Kyle Williams, so you know, just
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: we can break down his target a little bit too,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: and then just talk about a big picture as well.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: So on the target, you know, my interpretation of it
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: was that he ran a five step route when he
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: was supposed to run a three step route. And that's
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: just based off of the way that it looked earlier
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: in the game, and then also just it was mirrored
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: like it was the same route Digs was running on
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: the inside, and Diggs ran it one two and open,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: and Kyle Williams ran it one, two, three, four and open,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: so he ran it on the fifth step instead of
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: the three step. So that when that happens, that's why
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: the ball gets thrown behind you is because you're running
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: the wrong route. So with him, what I'm seeing is
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: details and this is good. And I also would just say, like,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: this is not like a Josh McDaniel's option route thing, right,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: this is not like it's too complex for young receivers, like,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: so don't make it about that. It's this is a
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: a young receiver that needs to be a little bit
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: sharper on his details. You know, Pop Douglass had the
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: same problem for a couple of years there as well.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: So it takes time. And when you're throwing, you know,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: with timing, you're throwing quick game, you're throwing things like
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: that like it, it can really make it look bad
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: when you're not syncd up with the quarterback and the
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: drop of the quarterbacks. So that's what I'm seeing with
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: Kyle Williams. Now there, I think there is opportunities for
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: him to produce on verticals. Like I still think that
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: if you got him isolated on the backside and he
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: ran a go route like he would still be able
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: to win on the go route, and those routes are
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: obviously a lot simpler than trying to you know, time
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: up a route in the quick game or something like that.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: So I'm not seeing like no separation on tape from
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: Kyle Williams or anything like that. His issues seem to
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: be more mental than they are physical at the moment,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: so it might just take some time. I don't know
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: what they're going to get out of him this year,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: but he's going to get some opportunities here with Kaisehan Boody,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: you know, dealing with that hamstring. So we'll see. But
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: I'm still I see enough separation with Kyle Williams. Like
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: I think the problem when you look at a lot
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: of other receivers with the Patriots in the past that
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: have busted, you know, second third round, guys like Jalen
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: Pole couldn't get open right so like that, that right
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: then and there just kind of makes it an uphill battle.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: When you can't separate in this league, it makes it
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: an uphill battle. I think with Taekwon, you know, he
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: couldn't stay healthy. That was obviously a big part of it.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: But with Taekwon, I don't know if he ever truly
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: played with a quarterback that could unlock the vertical speed
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: because he's really like a downfield vertical threat. Yeah, Like
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: he's not a guy that separates in the first ten
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: to fifteen yards. He's a guy that's separating thirty five
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: forty yards down the field. So when you play with
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: quarterbacks that don't really thrive in that sort of thing,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: you know, Bailey Zappi, mac Jones, like he's not really
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: going to thrive with that quarterback. He goes to Kansas
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: City and Patrick Mahomes can put the ball on him
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: down there and he's having more success. Maybe Taekwan would
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: have had a little bit more success with Drake May
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: probably not. He probably needed to change of scenery. But
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: to me, that was what it was with Taekwon. So
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: at least with Kyle Williams, I'm seeing him separate at times.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: He's just got to get on the same page with
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: the offense and with the quarterbacks. So I don't know
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: which way you would rather like. I would rather that
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: than watching the tape and saying this guy can't get
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: off coverage like Joeen Polk but as of right now,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: it doesn't really matter which way he's not producing. So
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: whichever way it is, which you know, whatever way you
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: kind of shake it out to be, he's not producing.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: Do you have any takes on Kyle Will I.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: Mean, I think it will help. And Vrabel talked about
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: this the other day. He's gonna just focus. I would
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: think he's just going to focus on the X receiver
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: position now, which is going to help because he's been
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: all over the place.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: He also he didn't work a lot with Drake in
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: the summer. Yeah, and I can't imagine he's worked with
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: him a lot behind the scenes here season start because
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: they're geting ready for games. He isn't had a big role.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: He's only played twenty percent of their offensive snaps this year,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: and that number is elevated by a significant role after
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: Boody got hurt this week. So I think it will
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: help him being able to focus on one position. I
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: think it will help him. Getting to work with Drake
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: made this week because their chemistry is just not there
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: right now, and maybe it clicks, maybe it doesn't. We
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: will see. I'm not super worried about his lack of
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: production because it's just been a lack of opportunity. And
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: it's not a case where they're not playing him. You know,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: sometimes we talk about it, well, this guy can't get
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: on the field, and that's not a good set, but
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: like there's a legitimate reason for him to knock it
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: on the field. The guys ahead of him are playing well. Yeah,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: so now we'll see what he can do that he
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: has a bigger opportunity.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a lot of it, Like I said,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: you know, especially those first and second level routes, Like
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: I think he runs a great vertical routes and he's
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: he's gonna eventually. I really believe he will eventually pop one.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: Like I think he's going to get behind the defender
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: at some point and Drake may we'll find him on
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: a go route or something like that. But these first
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: and second level routes take a lot more detail of
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: you know. The other thing too. I think this was
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: last week against Cleveland when they when they targeted him
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: on that like seven stop, you know, the route around
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: along the sideline. I think it was the Cleveland game,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: and and they're all blending together, but like he just
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: takes too long to get into the route and in college.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: That's okay because the quarterbacks have all day back there
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: to kind of let, you know, pat the ball and
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: wait for the receiver to get open. But like he does,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: like he runs off the line and he gives like
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: a little like a little fake. Then he gets to
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: the top of the route, he gives another little fake
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: and then he Denny cuts back right and by the
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: time it all this happens, it's just it's too late, right,
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: It's just too late for the quarterback. So these are
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: all the little details that when you run first and
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: second level routes in the league, like, you have to
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: be sharp on in order to get these targets. So
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: I do think that that can be developed, and I
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: do think that they have the right coaching now that
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: hopefully they can develop in those areas. And we'll see
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: all right, back to the phones. Sean is in Vancouver.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: What's up, Sean.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 9: I'm very happy that the Patriots kept the twenty first
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 9: century streak alive of not losing to the Falcons. The
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 9: game was closer than it should have been. So this
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 9: this week it's gonna be their toughest matchup against the
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 9: Bucks since the Bills. It's tough when you can't turn
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 9: the ball over, you know, and make big mistakes or
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 9: are they going to lose? But I'm excited. I'm going
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 9: to be there, Evan. Are you going to be at
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 9: the rally at Sunset Rodeo at five on Saturday?
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 5: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know what time we're getting
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: in as of right now, but there's a rally.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 9: Where is it at Sunset Rodeo? It's three to zero
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 9: two Howard Street, like close to downtown.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, cool, Yeah, if we're there in time, the boss
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: Man might be there for sure. But if we're there
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: on time, I would not mind stopping by. I've heard
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: that it's going to be quite the Patriots party in
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: Tampa this weekend. A lot of Patriots fans, a lot
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: of Patriots fans buying tickets for this game and making
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: this like their road trip of the season type of thing.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: So I'm glad that you're going, Sean. That'd be cool.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it'll be fun, all right, I'll take it off, all.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: Right, sounds good. Maybe i'll see you there. Yeah, it's
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: been for week now. I've been hearing a lot about
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: how many Patriots fans are going to be in Tampa.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: For this game. So I'm actually interested to see how
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: well they travel because it's a good Bucks team, Like
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: they're not going to play the test, the one in
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: seven Titans, right where the Patriots fans take over the
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: stadium against a bad team. This is an illegitimate playoff contender.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit about the Bucks. That's a
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: good segue. So just really quickly from Rick Stroud, who's,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: you know, one of their their beat writers for the
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: Tampa Bay Times, it sounds like Chris Godwin and Bucky
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: Irving are still a little ways away and aren't going
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: to play in this game. He's saying, not expected to
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: practice today. Are both are still in the rehab phase.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: So if you're in the rehab phase on a Wednesday
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: before the game, I don't know, you're not probably gonna play.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: So that's sort of been the story for the Bucks. Offensively.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: They've lost Evans, they've lost Godwin, they've lost Irving, they
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: lost Godecki, their right tackles on injured reserve. He was
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: designated to return, but we know how that works. There's
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: a three week ramp up period and I don't know
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: if that's necessarily going to you know, he's gonna play
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: this week. It might be a little bit too soon still,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: so they did just have their bye week. They're coming
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: off the buy, so hopefully, you know, for their sake
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: at least, maybe they're gonna get a little bit healthier
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: coming out of this by But basically, you know, the
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: first six weeks of the season for Baker, you know,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: starting with their offense, Baker is an MVP candidate. For
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: the first six weeks of the season, he's playing great,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: like twelve to one touchdown interception ratio. He has like
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: all these insane scrambles on film where he's just running
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: guys over and things like that. So he was playing
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: a really high level for the first six weeks of
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: the season. Then their injuries really started to pile up,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: especially at receiver with those veteran guys. So they're basically
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: throwing to Agbuka, who's a great young rookie, really impressive guy.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah to watch this week. My guy Tess Johnson is
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: like kind of their pop Douglas, Like they're like gadget player.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: Sterling Shepherd is their third receiver. I probably found out
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: this week that Sterling Shepherd was still in the league,
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: so he's their third receiver, and then kaid And has
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: been like a decent, you know, kind of hunter Henry
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: Ish tight end, like a train moving titan.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: We want to talk about still in leaue, Ryan Miller
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: still in the league too.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, So that's sort of their skill group right now
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: around Baker Mayfield. That is not Evans guy winning, Buka
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: right and Bucky Irving. It's so when you look at
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: the stats, you know, Baker is only completing like fifty
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: six percent of his passes over the last two weeks.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: He really struggled in that game against Detroit, missed a
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: lot of open throws in that game against the Lions.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: But my guess is in that game, you know he's
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: throwing the guys he hasn't never really thrown to before.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: It's a bunch of fresh faces. He didn't seem too
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: confident throwing the ball. I thought he was hesitant out
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: holding the football a little bit. So their offense is
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: reeling a little bit here over the last couple of weeks.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: Defensively there, they're fantastic. They've got a great defense, a great,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: great secondary, really good group. You know, Antoine Winfield is
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: one of my favorite players in the League, elite ballhawking
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: safety Jamal Dean's playing really well for them. Jacob Parrish
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: in the slot is a player that I really liked
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: in the draft that I thought maybe the Patriots would
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: be interested in.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: From ya Yai off the edge. They have some really
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: good players and they have a really good scheme with
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: Todd Bowles. But let's stick you know with the offense.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: Just your interpretation of Baker's season and you know what
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: kind of worries you about this Bucks offense?
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: Uh, definitely, big play threats all over the field. I
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: thought Baker, you know, he's in the MVP chase. It
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: it kills him that he's losing all these guys. He's
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: losing Evans, he's losing Godwin, and that's obviously going to
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: change things. But he's a baller and he's not gonna
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: He's gonna take a step back less than I think
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: some other guys would when things get tough. He's shown
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: he can elevate the people around him. So he's a
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: real threat. He's somebody you have to be aware of
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: at all times. He can make and he's underrated too.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: He can make plays with his legs. He doesn't do
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: it a lot, and they're not really gonna call design runs,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: but he'll he'll pick up a first down or two
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: over the course of the game on a scramble if
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: you let him. And Michael Pennix, who is a good
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: runner but doesn't run a lot. He got the Patriots
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: in that way a couple a couple of times last
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: week too, So good point. You know, I think you attack,
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: maybe you try to find areas where they're banged up
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: and you attack that. I don't necessarily know you attack
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: banged up wide receivers. Maybe that's just more more of
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: the blitz, you knowing guys won't get open as quick
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: banged up offensive line structure pressure in that way. But
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield's a real deal. Like, Baker Mayfield is going
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: to be the best quarterback they've faced since since Josh,
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: So you gotta come ready for him.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's a really good player. Obviously, been three
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: years there now in Tampa Bay, and he's had three
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: different offensive coordinators because they keep getting head coaching johns
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: because he's so good. So his career revival has gotten
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: Dave Canalis and Liam Cohen head coaching jobs. As his
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: play caller in one like in one year too, like
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: leap Phone was his play caller for one year and
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: landed the Jaguars head coaching job just off of that.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: So that tells you a lot about Baker Mayfield. I
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: think that you mentioned it a little bit there with
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: the receivers. One of the things that's giving them trouble
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: is man coverage because they just haven't had the health
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: that receiver, ye you know, to be able to beat
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: man consistently and separate consistently and time it up and
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. So this game is a
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: little similar statistically, at least to Pennix and the Falcons,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: in that you know, Baker's thirty first in the league
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: and apa against man coverage. He's only averaging like four
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: and a half yards per attempt right now against man
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: to man. A lot of that, to me is not
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: having Godwin in Evans and not having guys that he
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: trusts that can separate against man to man coverage. So
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: you see those, you know, kind of cracks in the
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: foundation because of that. It's another quarterback. And now I
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: trust Baker more because he's better and he's more experienced,
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: but it's another quarterback that likes to throw the ball
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: vertically and outside the numbers. He's not a big thrower
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: in the middle of the field either, So that could
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: also be why the man coverage hasn't been great, because,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: like I'll keep saying it, the beat man coverage, you
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: throw slants, you throw crossing routes, you throw digs, you
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: throw stuff into the middle of the field. So if
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: you're not willing to throw those routes and you're only
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: gonna throw outs and corners and verticals and stuff like that,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: that's into the leverage of the man coverage defender. So
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: you're throwing it right into the defense. So I have
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: a little bit more faith in Baker Mayfield to layer
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: throws into the middle of the field if they're open,
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: because he's more experienced and a better quarterback than Michael Pennix.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: But it's still not an offense that really lives in
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: the middle of the field. It's not necessarily what they do.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: I think Gonzo shadows of Buka. Assuming Gonzo's healthy, which
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: he indicated he was at the end end of the
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: game last week. Uh, you know, Gonzo shadows like Buka,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: Tes Johnson and Marcus Jones. Seems like a decent matchup
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: for the Patriots, Carlton Davis will probably be the boundary
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: and take Sterling Shepard and then Kate Aton is kind
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: of the one guy. Now, Kateaen is on an explosive
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: tight end, but he's crafty. He reminds me a lot
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: of Hunter Henry, Like he's crafty. Uh, he's good at
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: the top of the route. He can like kind of
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: bump you off and you know, attack leverage and like
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: that whole sort of thing. Uh So, last week it
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: was a lot of Craig Woodson on Kyle Pitts, and
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: to Woodson's credit, he did a decent job I thought
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: on Kyle Pitts. So maybe those are your matchups, you know,
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: Gonzo against Egbuca, Teded Johnson and Marcus Jones, Sterling Shepherd,
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: Carlton Davis and then uh Woodson on on. So you know,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: Sean White out of the backfield can do some things,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: you know, as a pass catch.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: They did a pretty good job on on Bijan last week.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: He didn't like that. They should be able to replicate that.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: And that's not to say that Rashad White as Bijon,
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: but like they I thought they had a good plan
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: for the running back last week.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: It was a better This is a you know, in
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: my mind, it's kind of like just a little bit
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: of a better version of the Falcons in terms of
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: the way they they run their offense, Yeah.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: I could see that.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: Not their run game necessarily, they're more of a downhill
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: run team than Atlanta is all the stretch runs. But
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: in terms of their pass game, it's really similar. Like
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: they'll do a lot of you know, trips and bunches,
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: Like they run a lot of three by one with
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: three receivers to one side of the formation, and they'll they'
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: That is another thing I would just highlight in terms
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: of the chess match, like the Patriots struggled a little
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: bit last week with sorting out bunches by Atlanta, especially
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: down in the red zone. So I think the Falcons
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: are excuse me, the the Bucks will come in and
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: test that this week, so they do a lot of
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. But I'm looking forward to Gonzo
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: against like Buca. I think that's a kind of like
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: when he faced Marvin Harrison last year as a rookie,
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: Like that's gonna be a fun matchup. He's a really
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: good player. Moving over to the defense. You know, the
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: Paigets offense against the Bucks defense. Uh, Todd Bowles Man
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: is gonna put Drake May in a blender or he's
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: gonna gonna try. I don't know if he's gonna succeed,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: but he's gonna try. And Uh he is a just
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: maniacal blitzer Like this guy comes after quarterbacks. Uh. They're
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: only seventh in the league and blitz rate, but it
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: feels higher about because of all the simulated pressure that
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: they run where they're gonna show blitz and then kind
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: of back out of it, which is basically like it's
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: the idea of it is still kind of the same. Uh,
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: they run a lot of blitz. They're fourth in the
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: league right now in team pressure rate. The Patriots have
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: had some issues the last couple of weeks with pressure,
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: you know, both up front and with the quarterback. So
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: this is another one of those defenses that is gonna
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: spin the dial. They're gonna disguise a lot on the
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: back end. There's gonna be a lot of pressure on
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: the quarterback and the Patriots are gonna have to manage that.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: So Uh, it's a fun defense to watch on film.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: You know. They they really mix it up. You look
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: at their coverages, like, there's not a ton of tendency
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: with their coverages. It's a kind of everything across the board.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: They're kind of cover all their grounds there, so they
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: mix it up quite a bit. And you know they're
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: gonna come after Drake the number one thing I look
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: at with uh, you know Bowls' blitz package. He loves
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: those mug fronts. So mugfronts, you're just gonna put a
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: linebacker in each a gap and he's gonna stand up
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: and then you can just play this game of cat mouse.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: Is he dropping? Is he rushing? You know, they'll drop one,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: they'll rush one, they'll drop both, they'll rush both. Like
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: they'll do all these different sort of permutations out of
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: those fronts, and you have to you know, they'll play man,
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: they'll play zone. You kind of have to decipher, you know,
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: what they're going to do. So this is a big
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: you know, where are your hots? You know how much
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: time do I have in the pocket? Uh, you know,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: how are they in manner? Are they in zone? Like
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: this is a big mental test for this Patriots offense. Yeah,
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: And I think the difference between this and maybe some
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: of the last couple of defenses that they've faced is
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: that those defenses were system defenses where they sat in
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: a lot of the same coverages, but they just played
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: those coverages really, really well, whereas this is a true,
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: you don't know what you're gonna get, spin the dial
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: kind of defense with Tampa Bay. So it's gonna be
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: interesting to see how it goes because it can go
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: one of two ways. Either the quarterback goes into the
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: blender or he sees the blitzes coming in. There's open
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: receivers all over the world.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: Well, so I think it's a big get to go
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: back to what we talked about from the Falcons game.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: Got to get the ball out quick. That is a massive,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: massive point of emphasis this week. And we'll see he's
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: done a very good job. Like we'll talk about something
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: one week, go Drake May struggled with this, and then
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: he comes back the next week and excels at it
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: right right, big way.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 4: To do that.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you. I think that that's a good point.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm really looking forward. That's kind of the
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: number one thing that I am looking for in this
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: game is does Drake May take the coaching of some
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: of the different things that he missed in the game
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: that led to sacks. You can he take that coaching
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: and then correct it the next week, because he's been
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: pretty good about that. I would say most of the
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: season and most of his career about correcting mistakes and
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: going back and forth. A couple of other matchups that
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: stand out to me. I don't know which ones stand
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: out to you, but Vidavea against Jared Wilson and Garrett
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: Bradbury is a power in size mismatch. In the inside.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: I don't even know if you try to run the
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: ball inside on this defense, I don't know if you're
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: gonna have any luck doing that. And then also in
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: the past rush you know if you're going to get
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: one on ones in. Via Va also likes to pick,
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: like he likes to be the pick man on stunts
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: a lot, and he'll just like ear hole guys, like
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: he'll just come through and he'll be the pick man
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: and he'll just freaking give you a nice slab right
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: right in the rims and just pop the guy off,
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: the guy he's trying to block. So it's he's a menace,
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: Like he is an absolute monster. I love watching Vitaveta
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: play he's a fantastic player, but he's a game wrecker,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: like he's someone that could truly you might not be
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: able to run the ball inside, and Drake may might
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: not have much of a pocket to step into. If
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: Vida Veya's humming.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be a lot of good defensive tackle play
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: in this game. The inside of Tampa's lion's kind of
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: been refigured a few times. They're dealing with injuries and
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: Milton Williams and Christian bar More, they can they do
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: more to convert some of those pressures to they've been
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: playing well, it's not necessarily their fault, but like, do
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: we see them do we see them start to pile
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: up some more sacks in this game?
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's an interesting one. Any other things stand
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: out to you about this Tampa team.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: That's pretty much it for me.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: Well, I'll be down there. It'll be fun. I'm looking
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: forward to it. I think this is I wish this
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: game was. I'm happy this game is a one for
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: personal reasons because I always like one o'clock games, But
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: I wish this game was a little bit more four
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: o'clock window, primetime window, because it does feel like two
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: teams that are are big time playoff teams, you know,
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: in both conferences, and it's kind of a bummer that
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: the game is at one o'clock, but it is what
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: it is. All right, let's get to some of these emails.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: I haven't done emails.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, we haven't done emails in a minute.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: And we have a lot of emails. So oh, let's
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: get to some of these emails. That's a Kyle Williams question.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: We already kind of went over that a little bit.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna do you want to answer answer
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: this question about dead cap because Fred yesterday did he
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: did do this. He was reading this email about dead
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: cap and did not want to answer this question because
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: it's you know, mundane and boring to talk about dead cap.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: So would you please man explain to me how dead
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: cap works. We always hear certain players are untradable due
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: to the size of the contracts and the dead cap.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: I understand that contracts have guaranteed money, but couldn't selling
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: couldn't the selling team we will move all the money
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: in contract to the buying team, US, eliminating any dead cap. No,
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: so the dead cap on the contract is related to
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: the guarantees and the base salary of the contract that
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: is already in escro headed towards the player, and that
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: dead cap is the responsibility of the team that signed
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: the contract. So you can't transfer dead cap, so that
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: is going to be the Patriots responsibility. For example, with
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: Kyle Duggart, they have about nine million dollars in dead
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: cap next year due to the Kyle Duggar trade. So
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: you hear this a lot with AJ Brown, who I
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: don't have the exact number, but I think AJ Brown
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: has something like fifty million dollars in dead cap if
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: he's traded by the Eagles right now. On the flip side,
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: the way that the Jets structured Sauce Gardner's extension, they
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: don't have a ton of dead cap because they didn't
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: pay him a lot of money up front, so they
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: kind of left their options open there a little bit.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: So that's dead cap is the responsibility of the team
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: that's trading the player.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: Always is fifty nine million in dead cap for AJ
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: Brown this year, forty three million from next year.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: So that being said, there are instances where teams have
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: had a lot of dead cap and rated the player
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: anyway or cut the player. Anyway. The Broncos did this
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: with Russell Wilson a couple of years ago, and they
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: just ate it and they just managed the dead cap
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: for that season, and they were able to figure it out.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: You know, it's not ideal, but they were able to
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: figure it out.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: What I think people get confused about with dead cap
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: I'll try to think of an example that dead cap
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: is not lost cap space in the sense that, Okay,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: so Kyle Darry, right, they've nine million dollars in dead cap.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't know that number off top my head.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna trust there. But the nine million dollars dead
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: cap on Kyle Doug's contract, his original cap hit was fourteen. Sure,
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: so the Patriots have a nine million dollar dead cap
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: charge against him. But they still open up five million dollars, right,
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: So they opened up some. You don't open up all
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: of it. You opened up some. But some players it
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: is possible a J. Brown's like this, the dead cap
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: can exceed the cap savings. So for it, because it
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: can if there's a bunch of details in the schedule
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: of the contracts. But basically, right, so AJ Brown's cap
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: hit or AJ Brown's dead cap is fifty nine million
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: dollars because when you cut a player, sometimes the money's
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: due when you cut him, so it moves money up.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: AJ Brown's dead cap numbers fifty nine million. His cap
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: hit because the way the contract is structured is only
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: seventeen million, So they would lose forty two million in
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: cap space that they would otherwise have if they didn't
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: trade AJ Brown. So dead cap space is not necessarily
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: cap space loss. You can open up money cutting a
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: player that has dead cap space, You're just not going
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: to open up it. Dead money is what you owe him,
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: regardless off he's on the roster or not. That's not
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: the same as I don't know the term for it.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: I guess cap savings is the difference between that player's
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: cap hit and the money you owe him if you
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: cut him.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: Right. So basically, the dead cap is tied to the
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: base salary that's guaranteed to the player, whereas the money
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: you're talking about is per game roster bonuses, workout bonuses,
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: incentive packages like if you know, he hits a certain
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: amount of games, or he makes a Pro Bowl or
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: they make the playoffs or whatever. So all those different
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: things are things that the player has to earn over
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: the life of the contract by his play on the field,
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: So that's not guaranteed to him. So that's why when
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: you cut a player like Kyle dugger he has X
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: amount and dead cap which is tied to his base salary. Yeah,
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: but then he might have had some incentives or bonuses
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: or whatever. That money falls off the cap, right, it's
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: just a dead cap that stays on the salary cap.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: So they'll have, you know, some dead cap next year
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: as a team. In general, I think it's about twenty
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: five to thirty million. Now, again that's not that's not
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: a deal breaker.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: It's a little high, but like every team has dead cap,
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: but it.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: Doesn't mean that they are hamstrung against the cap and
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: they can't do anything.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: It's just I think they're supposed to have about fifty million.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's just tied mostly to the fact that
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: they've moved on from some holdovers that darn't fits. You know,
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: Jabriel Peppers, Kyle Duggar, you know, players like that that
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: they signed to these extensions that ended up not being fits.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: So that was a very long answer, but I think
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: it was very.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: I was getting nervous talking about that stuff. I know,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: Miguel is the expert. Yeah you want who the Patriots
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: are still paying this year dead cap. Sure so Duggar, Godshaw, Peppers,
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: Juju Smith, Schuster and they still have Well, I guess
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: this year doesn't matter. I should do next year because
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: this year is kind of in the books. It's done.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: Their dead money next year quarter over the cap. Kyle
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: Dougar's twelve, Little over twelve, Jabrill Peppers is three, Jalen
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: Polk is one point nine, Kendrick Bourne's one point four,
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: and then these guys are all less than a million.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: Keon White Lane, Robinson, Javon Baker, Braden Swinston City.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: So yeah, so it's not again like this is not
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: me saying that they now have an excuse to not
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: spend any money next offseason. It's not anything close to that.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: It's just trying to explain, you know, the new on.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: Some of these gets. But the other sports ones get funny,
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: like everybody knows about Bobby Venia, but like, yeah, the
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: Red Sox like still paying Manny. That's different money.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: Different money is is maybe one of the most bananas things.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: Well in basketball, there is like when they cut guys.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: They can they can pro rate the dead cap hit. Yeah, so,
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: like I think the Celtics are still paying Blake Griffin
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: Blake Griffin, I'm pretty sure still for a while they
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: were paying Dimitri's Jackson for a while.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, all right, next question, you here more of
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: a football question than a than a salary cap question.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: The Celtics are still paying playing Blake Griffin.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: So they were paying KG for until like just a
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: couple of years ago.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's a cap hold. I don't know, like
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: technically that works, but he's on the books there.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: So Brendan and Philly asks, did this Falcons solve Drake
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: May with their defensive So is it something that we
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: can expect other defenses to replicate. I don't think they
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: solved Drake May necessarily. Now. To their credit, they got
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: beat early on a couple of crossing routes, especially the
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: big one to Pop.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they were they.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: Called coverages moving forward where they adjusted nicely to some
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: of those and that, you know, I guess it depends
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: on what exactly you interpret the call. You know, I
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: would interpret them as like cut crosses. You know, one
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: cross is you know, typically what it's called where basically
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: you have a primary man coverage defender and he's going
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: to run across the field with the crossing route, and
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: once it declares as a crossing route, he's going to
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: pass the crossing route off to a safety and then
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: he's going to fall off and he's going to replace
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: the safety. So basically there's a robber a safety in
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: the middle of the field. That guy overtakes the crossing route,
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: the safety does, and then the corner becomes the new
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: robber in the middle of the defense. The Patriots used
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: to run this coverage all the time with Belichick. It
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: was one of their staples, and so as the game
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: wore on, especially after Pop hit the fifty eight yarder,
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: they started calling these cut coverages where they were cutting
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: the crossing routes and that did the Patriots, I think,
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: kind of thought they had him on the crossing routes
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: and it did kind of throw a wrench in their
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: in their play calling and in their game plan. So
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: tip of the cap to Atlanta for that. The interception
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 2: to Hunter Henry was one of these coverages where Henry
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: read it as single high because he had one high
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: safety in the middle of the field. But Drake May
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: saw the defender cutting the crossing route, sitting on the
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: other side of the field, and he just wanted Henry
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: to just look for the football and just settle right
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: in between that open space, and they didn't. They weren't
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: on the same page, and Henry kept running and Drake
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: threw it and it was a pick. So I think
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: that that that was more of like, you know, like
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: a system breakdown that I would say it was a
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: Drake May breakdown. Like I don't think that he specifically
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: did anything that made me feel that like, oh no,
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: like this is now they the book you know on
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: Drake May. It didn't feel like that, and more just
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: felt like they the Falcons, to their credit, kind of
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: got to feel for it, probably towards the end of
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: the first half and then adjusted.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: And as I mean, they got to him a ton,
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: and he felt sped up at points in that game.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: That's one of the best pass rushers in the league.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: Not every team is going to be able to you know,
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: first of all, they send five a lot. Not every
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: team's gonna be able to send five. Not every team's
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: gonna be able to send five with the personnel that
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: Tampa had or that Atlanta has. Yeah, if the book
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: on Drake may is being a very good defensive team,
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: the book maybe out. I don't think there was anything
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: schematically in there that would I would call the book
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: on Drake May. So I think it's funny because he
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: plays worse against good defenses.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: Go figure, Well, that's a good point because I I
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: understand that Atlanta has some like probably fatal flaws. Yeah,
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: I'm not really sure Raheem Morris is the right answer there.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: All right. I wanted to get this from the game. Yeah,
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: what'd you think of the punt? What did the I'm
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: actually meant to ask you this. I meant to text
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: you this. What did the maths say about the punt?
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: Punt? I remember lotting this up in real time punt.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: So I would have gone, yeah, because one first down,
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: regardless of field position, you're not getting the ball back right,
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: and you know the way Drake London's playing, throw it up,
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: maybe get a penalty something like that.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: Right, Oh, I know it's tough. Yeah, I kind of
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: thought that in real time too. I'm with you. I
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: because of just Drake Lonon is just mossing.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: Everybody likes also like they need one first down in
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: the game's over.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: I had one other weird thought on that. I'm curious
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: what you think. I would argue, This is a little facetious,
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: but not really. I would argue the Falcons would have
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: been better off going to the line on four and
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: twenty and spiking the ball than they were punting it.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: Because it puts them on a short field. Well, so
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: it's like, basically you're arguing that even if you give
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: up points there, it's still a one.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: Well, they weren't. Quote the points were relevant. The Patriots
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: would have needed one first down to getting field goal range.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: They were not in field range, right, they were just
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: outside or would have been a long field goal. But like,
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: there's some risk in kicking the field goal because if
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: you don't get it. Now the Falcons get the ball midfield, and.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: I thought you were going let them score.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: That's well, no, no spike because there was two oh
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: three on the clock. Yeah, the punt wiped out the
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: two minute warning. The Falcons only the two timeouts. If
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: you spike the ball, it's gonna take less than three seconds,
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: right two oh one. Now there's a timeout after the
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: Patriots first play. If you get to stop time out,
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: after the second time out, after the third. Now they
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: either have to kick a really long field goal and
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: if they miss that, you're gonna get the ball at
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: midfield after using all three timeouts with more than a
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: minute left, and all you need is to get in
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: a field goal range. And if they get the first down,
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: what does it matter? If they get the first down
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: from their own twenty versus your forty, right, the game's over.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: I guess what it comes down to. We just do
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: football philosophy on the show, and I thought it was
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: an interesting one. What would you rather have in that moment?
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: Forty yards or forty seconds?
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: Forty seconds?
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: So I would argue the Falcons would have been better
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: off coming to the line because the clock was stuff.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: They wouldn't have had to rush it. That's a interesting
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: if if they had gone to the line and just
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: clock the ball right, they have been better off than punting.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: So the thing that I think is crazy about that
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: because I love it and it's not people would say, thing,
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: it's logical.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: People would say why not throw it away? Throw away
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: might take more than three seconds, like claw it right,
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: so you're gonna get like two to one. You're gonna Uh,
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: they're gonna get the ball back, but you get the
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: two minute warning.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that that's I never even considered that as
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: an option. That that's a good one. Uh.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: And now I'm not doing this all the time. If
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: it's fourth and ten, you probably go for it. Fourth
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: and twenty were probably you Either. To me, there's two options.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: You throw it deep, hoping Drake London makes insane play,
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: or you cop a penalty. To remember, Christian Zalz is
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: out of the game, so he's not out there. You
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: either try to draw a penalty or Drake London goes off.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: Or again, if that's me in the headset, I said
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: that in real time to Matthow said they should spike it.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: I think I said they should knee it, and then
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: I realized that knee is longer than a spike, so
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: I said they should clock it.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: These are the times, and I guess you could just
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: ask Frable, but like, these are the times that I
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: wish that we that we could do press conferences with
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: Stretch because like that's something that they would think about.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: I know, like that's down to ask one of these guys,
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: like is there any is there any real Like I
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: obviously have my line of thinking. I feel like I've
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: put it out there relatively well yeah, but like I
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: would love to hear one of those guys thought because
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: all you need one first down ends the game, doesn't
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: matter where they get it right.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: But if I would have to, I would bet that
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: John Striker Stretch has thought of that exact scenario and
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: he they would do something like that. Yeah, outside the
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: box like kind of you know, weird, but it's almost
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: like Bill taking the intentional safe.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: It's so it's kind of similar to the intentional safety thing,
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: where that that's more about field position. This is sacrificing
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: field position for clock. But so you're with me, you would,
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: let's say you were conscious with you that is logical.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: But I this is not my area. So I'm so logical,
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: But I don't know if there's.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: One day we're in chargement NFL team, right and you're
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: gonna be the coach obviously very and I've said on
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: the guy upstairs, Yeah, I go down to you. Evan
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: Spike it you call it, sure love it.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: You're gonna be upstairs like Stretch with the with the
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: super Well, this was with Ernie Ad We figured out, Yeah,
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: you're more Ernie because stretches. He's he's doing the numbers.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: You're not going to do the numbers.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: No, I'm just telling you. Just spike it on fourth
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: and twenty down one.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: It's not a terrible idea. Now, I thought you were
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: going let them score, the Patriots. But then if the
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: Patriots score, because.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: Wait, who let who score?
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: If the Falcons let the Patriots score.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: No, you can't do that. They're just going to go
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: down after the first down.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: Well they would, if they were smart, they would.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: Well, and Hunter Henry did.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess the Patriots are too smart for that.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: But my point was gonna actually just be to further it. Yeah,
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: so it was a one point game. Yeah, if the
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: Patriots score a touchdown because they spike it and they
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: get on a short field and they spare a touchdown,
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: now it's a seven point games. Now the Patriots go
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: for two, maybe you gotta go for two. There's no
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: difference between the seven in an eight point game when
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: the kickers missing extra points are kind of its go
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: for two. All right, let's take this last call and
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: then we got to wrap it up. Yeah, that's good.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: Austin is in Manchester. What's up? Bostin.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 10: Hey, Evan, Hey, I saw you guys were talking earlier
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 10: in the show about just the lack of presence we
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 10: have on zone coverage and obviously the pass didn't make
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 10: any moves of the trade deadline. What do you think
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 10: they should be looking at for this next coming draft.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: Thanks guys, Yeah, thanks for the call. Austin. Yeah, you know,
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: it's something that has been on my mind with their
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: zone coverages. I just think there's too much space underneath
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: a lot of their zones and the ball's just coming
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: out too quickly. Now, it's always a balance of you know,
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: we're talking mostly when they play these zones that I'm
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: I'm referring to, it's first or second down, so you're
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 2: and it's between the twenties, right, So you're talking a
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: lot about it's kind of the bend, don't break thing,
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: And there's an element of that, like when you play
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: NFL offenses, especially NFL offenses, good ones that are explosive
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: and can make big plays down the field, Like do
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: you really want to be first and ten from the
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: twenty five and you're in press man across the board?
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: You know, I think there's a little bit of a
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: misconception about how much man coverage teams really actually play.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: Like even the top teams in man coverage are still
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: playing more zone than man. Like we're talking like the
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: teams that lead the league in man coverage rate are
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: usually around forty forty five percent. So it's not a
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: league where everybody that teams are playing like seventy five
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: percent man. It just it's too hard. It's too hard
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: to do that. So when you talk about man coverage,
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: it's mostly third down. You know, a lot of teams
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: will well, their man coverage rate explodes on third down.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: And then it's also you know, situational type of stuff.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: So it's not a ton of early down man because
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: these offenses are just too explosive and they're too good.
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  Speaker 2: Now that being said, I would, yeah, I would like
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  Speaker 2: to see the Patriots be a little bit tighter. You know,
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: we all don't like it, and I know it drives
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  Speaker 2: fans nuts when the corners outside are giving eight yards
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  Speaker 2: a cushion and they just run like a five yard
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  Speaker 2: hitch and turn around and catch the ball and it's
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: a ten yard completion on first down. It drives us
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  Speaker 2: all nuts. Now that being said, the alternative is getting
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  Speaker 2: up on the line of scrimmage and getting beat over
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  Speaker 2: the top for fifty yard play. So these are the
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  Speaker 2: as a coach like, that's sort of the balance that
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  Speaker 2: you have to strike here. It's an interesting point in
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  Speaker 2: terms of the draft. I mean, we got a long
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  Speaker 2: way to go. They're seven and two. I'm enjoying.
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  Speaker 1: Give me a short list, give me your big three
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  Speaker 1: needs right now.
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  Speaker 2: I'm enjoying the ride.
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  Speaker 1: Just off the top of your head. Big three needs
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  Speaker 1: right now.
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  Speaker 2: Going spine to the defense, edge, linebacker, safety, offense. I
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  Speaker 2: think that offensively, i'd supplement free agency. I think you
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  Speaker 2: need a guard. I'm obviously always open to wide receiver,
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  Speaker 2: top wide receivers, you know Wattle, aj Brown, you know,
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  Speaker 2: guy like that is always on the call. Like you
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  Speaker 2: need another running back, probably, but I don't think you
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  Speaker 2: need to draft or pay one big. You know, use
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  Speaker 2: a big time asset, whether it's cap space or a
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: high draft pick on a running back. So yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: would like to see, like you know, Rabel did it
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  Speaker 2: with Landry, Like draft one of your types at edge rusher,
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  Speaker 2: and let's see Mike Rabel develop like a first round
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  Speaker 2: talent at it.
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  Speaker 1: It's David Bailey at edge rusher, Like, I.
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  Speaker 2: Think that would be really good for this team to
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: see him out there with the pad on and you know, doing.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: I like, I mean, I think edges On there especially.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: We'll see what happens with Chase On. I'd like an
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: athletic linebacker. I do put whether it's getting a right tackle,
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: you know, as a long term answer for offensive line,
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: would they probably need one top one hundred pick on
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: the offensive line, whether that whether that's a guard, whether
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: that's a tack, a right tackle. So you're would you
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: be in on a linebacker like in the first round.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: Like an off ball linebacker. No, No, but that's a
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: value that's a nerd thing, that's a value thing.
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  Speaker 1: Well, but like that's going to solve a lot of
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: problems for him because there are a couple of not
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: a lot, there are a couple guys that I think
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: are going to be in their conversation.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: Well, you're gonna have Spallane and so you're really looking
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: for that weak side sideline to side, like the whole
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: cliche thing.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: Well, that's what that's what this draft did. Like, that's
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: the linebackers.
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  Speaker 2: So I would definitely, you know, if we're talking about
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: day two then absolutely, and it's been it's been a
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: minute since they've used a top one hundred pick on
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 2: like a pure off ball linebacker. They did go kind
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: of nerd on on us in that respect that they
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: kind of devalued that position at the end with Belichick.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: So I could see it in terms, But if it's
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: going to be first round, you have to draft like
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 2: it has to be like a.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: Real quant one more wear are you on? Because we
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: talked about this like a couple of weeks ago, using
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: a high pick on the tight end. Maybe not first round,
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: but like top fifty pick on a tight end.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 2: I like it in the respect that I think that
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: you really you need to keep adding for Drake May.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: You can't get complacent and stop adding at the skill position.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: So I want to see them continue to add. But
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know if this tight end class is going
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 2: to have the guys that are worth picking. If that
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: makes sense, that's fair. Yeah, all right, we got to
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: wrap it up. Patriots Unfiltered is going to be on
• 1:49:15
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• 1:49:18
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• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: still be on Wednesday at ten am of course, the
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 2: Patriots play Thursday night football against the Jets next week,
• 1:49:26
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• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: but it's kind of like we're doing the show on Saturday,
• 1:49:31
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• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: that'll be interesting, but we'll see you guys then. Thanks
• 1:49:35
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