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The Green Party: Dirty Tricks in Politics · Mark and Pete

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  The Green Party dirty tricks in politics.
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  Welcome to Mark and Pete. Well, they secured a win.
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  Except, and this is where it gets awkward, this win may have
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  evolved a little creative interpretation of the rules.
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  Yes, this is Mark and Pete 2 blokes with half an opinion.
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  And here's our first thought. Folk who are completely Green
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  think that the world is too unclean until dirty politics
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  came on the scene and now they are an insurgent machine.
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  Well yes, what has happened to the Green Party?
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  Well interestingly the Green Party has won the Gordon and
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  Denton by election. Hannah Spencer took the seat
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  from Labour in the Green's first ever Westminster by election
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  victory. Now Labour, which took Greater
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  Manchester's seat with more than 50% of the vote in 2024, was
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  pushed into third place behind Yes Reform UK as well.
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  And as a result, this will put even more pressure on Sir Keir
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  Starmer. But there's something more
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  important and that is about the election itself, because many of
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  people have observed that many groups of voters actually went
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  into the booths as family voting in the by election.
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  Now, of course, this is an illegal practice, especially
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  when there are two voters within one polling booth now.
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  The Reform leader, Nigel Farage, says this raised questions about
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  the integrity of the democratic process in predominantly Muslim
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  areas. Now, well, this is very
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  controversial. But Mr. Pete, I ask you, what do
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  you think about this is Nigel? Farage.
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  Really. Right.
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  To raise these concerns, would it have even actually changed
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  the outcome? I ask you, are the Greens going
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  in the right direction and what do you think about the
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  Manchester result? Well, yes Mr. Markle, we there
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  have been reports of bad behaviour in the election
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  booths. When you, when you go into an
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  election booth, when you go there, a voting booth to go and
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  vote in a British election, only you allowed to go in.
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  You can't have someone else go in with you into the actual
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  voting booth. The only other people are
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  allowed in there are under certain circumstances, police or
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  there are a designated group of volunteers which should have
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  been around just for the past few years have been allowed in
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  officially. And what these volunteers do is
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  they try and ensure election integrity and they have reported
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  that there were people doing this issue of family voting.
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  So you have someone going in with you to tell you how to
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  vote. That's not allowed.
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  Of course, there being postal votes as well, It can be done
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  without anyone going in there with you.
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  You can simply have the vote done for you.
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  You can imagine the situation if you're you're in the country,
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  you don't really care who wins or maybe you don't even speak
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  the language. And someone said, yeah, I'll
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  just do it for you. Oh, OK, fine.
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  Then that's that being done on a reasonably large scale.
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  We're only talking about needing a few thousand votes, which is
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  big for the area, but, you know, not a huge number.
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  Just generally speaking. Then it's going to swing the
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  election. And I think that is to a certain
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  extent what happened The the Labour Party vote halved from
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  last time with their voters going, yeah, some of them to
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  reform and some of them, a lot of them to the Green Party.
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  However, having said all that, reports I'm hearing are that
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  there were quite a few voters for the Green Party who'd never
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  voted before looking at polls where where people asked about
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  whether they voted before. So I don't think it tells the
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  whole story and it may not have swung the election, but that's
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  not the the point. The fact that it occurred means
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  that whoever won, I could have had and could in this case have
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  their win challenged in court. Well, it is a point and whether
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  it did actually skew the election results or not, but
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  either way, you're, I think you've already hit on it, which
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  is this is a lot of tactical voting for what has been
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  basically a Labour Party constituency for quite some
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  time, over 100 years, I believe. You know, for them to be
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  relegated to 3rd place really essentially -25% of the, of the
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  vote since it was a change in 2024, that's quite a dramatic
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  impact. And I think that we're seeing
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  this political wave of change. There is another underlying
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  current here behind this because of course many people were
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  certainly if you were a Labour Party voter are really sort of
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  making a protocol trust against Sir Keir Starmer.
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  Now Andy Burnham, who is the, the, the Manchester mayor, of
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  course, was blocked from even standing in this particular by
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  election. So he may be the that had a
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  factor, which is to say, Sir Keir Starmer, we don't like you.
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  Yes. Well, I mean there is a, there
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  is. Another one.
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  This was a massive political misjudgement by Keir Starmer in
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  stopping Andy Burnham from standing for the seat.
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  He makes it his fault. Keir Starmer's fault, doubly his
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  fault when when that happens. And so we're seeing a lot of
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  dishonesty. We're seeing reports of
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  dishonesty by the Green Party in the election, in the voting
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  methods used. And we're seeing this selection
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  of candidate dishonesty really by Keir Starmer because the
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  reason he wasn't had to stand really was because he thought he
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  was going to challenge him for leadership.
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  Proverbs 11 verse one says the law detests dishonest scales,
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  but accurate weights find favour with him.
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  And if you've done this level of dishonesty, you've already lost
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  really when it comes to the general election, people aren't
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  going to trust you either the Green Party or the Labour Party.
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  I think that this is a misstep. However, for the Green Party, I
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  guess it's it's a breakthrough. So now they've got an MP.
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  So maybe it was worth it politically.
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  But another interesting point just to I want to just make one
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  other point about what happened here by courting the Muslim
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  vote. They were taking a leaf out of
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  Labour's book for one, and doing it more effectively.
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  You can summarise. Basically they were saying we're
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  going to take money from rich people and give it to rich white
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  people and give it to you. That's a winner.
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  Of course, you know who doesn't like a bit of free money, but
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  you know, I'm summarizing of course, that wasn't how quite
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  how they put it on their election material.
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  But the point I will make here is that it's sort of done on the
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  voting seems to have broken down then more along sectarian lines
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  than we used to more get more according to ethnicity than we
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  useful used to. And I think if that's the way
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  it's going to go, we could see parties like reform and maybe
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  restore. If that does rise to, you know,
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  gets it keeps increasing members as it has done, then you restore
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  Britain party. Because if you're voting along
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  sectarian lines, you're going to want to vote for people who are
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  in favour of the, the white population or the, the current
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  English, Scottish and Welsh populations, the, the native
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  people there. And there are more of them than
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  others. So how that will affect the
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  election result, well, it's difficult to say because there's
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  the, there's EU parties, I've mentioned Restore, but there's
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  also advance rising up at the moment.
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  So by the time we get to 2029, which is the next general
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  election as as it's planned at the moment, there could, there
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  could be some very different results even in terms of the
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  parties taking part. Well, what's interesting about
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  this is congratulations to Hannah Spencer.
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  Great job, won the election and as you quite rightly say, there
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  is a runway to the general election.
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  Well, we talked about Greens, we talked about reform and even
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  Labour. Quite remarkably, nobody.
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  Is talking. About the Conservatives.