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Steve Price | 27 February · Steve Price

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Speaker 1: Live. This is Steve Price. Good evening, well to the show.
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Speaker 1: Steve Price with you.
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Speaker 2: The starter's gun fired in the upcoming Pharah by election,
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Speaker 2: with Susan Lee officially quitting today, All the latest to come.
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Speaker 2: Here's what else is coming up on the program tonight.
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Speaker 2: At midnight last night, Victoria's Adult Time for Adult Crime
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Speaker 2: laws kicked in.
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Speaker 1: Three hours later they were off to the.
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Speaker 2: First test when allegedly two sixteen year olds and a
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Speaker 2: fifteen year old hijacked a taxi at nine point. I'm
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Speaker 2: not kidding. We will talk through the new laws with
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Speaker 2: the sister of murder victim, doctor Ashley Gordon, a victim
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Speaker 2: of pointless and vicious crime.
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Speaker 1: Also tonight.
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Speaker 2: Treasurer Jim Chalmers out in Logan in Brisbane today, not
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Speaker 2: ruling out changes to negative gearing in his upcoming budget.
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Speaker 1: Today.
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Speaker 2: He was there with a report The Australian suggesting investors
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Speaker 2: may be limited.
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Speaker 1: To just two properties. We'll look at that as well.
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Speaker 2: And a shock result in a man to Buy election
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Speaker 2: with the Greens sweeping to victory. It leaves big questions
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Speaker 2: for Labor and the surging Reform Party. Adrian Hayes with
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Speaker 2: the latest plus all of the latest on Andrew mount
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Speaker 2: Batton Windsor and with our panel, can you really call
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Speaker 2: a new mid strength be of VB surely not plus
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Speaker 2: with fast trains. Back on the agenda via the Prime Minister,
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Speaker 2: why would music superstar ed shehare and catch a slow
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Speaker 2: train between Sydney and Melbourne? But first the tragic real
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Speaker 2: life consequences of Australia's worst crime crisis that for years
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Speaker 2: post COVID has swept Melbourne. Melbourne is officially the crime
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Speaker 2: capital of Australia, with an out of touch labor government
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Speaker 2: that softened bail laws and oversaw a court system more
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Speaker 2: intent on freeing teenage offenders despite repeated law breaking including
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Speaker 2: home invasions and carjackings. Forced to implement a ridiculous machete
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Speaker 2: bin voluntary dump scheme that has failed miserably, Labor finally
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Speaker 2: caved in and they have passed laws that kicked in
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Speaker 2: as I said from midnight last night, where we are
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Speaker 2: told underage offenders committing adult crimes will be hauled before
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Speaker 2: the county court, not tried in the children's court. The
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Speaker 2: intent is the county court can hand down much tougher
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Speaker 2: penalties than the children's court can. Now, I can tell
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Speaker 2: you senior labor figures like Jacinda Allen and her Attorney
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Speaker 2: General Sonya Kilkenny would have been dragged kicking and screaming
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Speaker 2: to this change and it remains to be seen what
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Speaker 2: impact it will actually make. Nevertheless, the Premier has been
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Speaker 2: busy selling the changes this week.
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Speaker 3: Issues for these serious violent offenses that are causing not
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Speaker 3: just concern but harm in communities, there are going to
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Speaker 3: be serious consequences for those offenders where are being treated
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Speaker 3: in the adult court will see jail more likely and
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Speaker 3: sentenced longer. We know, given new challenges that are in
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Speaker 3: our communities today, challenges that weren't there even a couple
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Speaker 3: of years ago, we know that we have to take
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Speaker 3: new and different approaches to supporting young people.
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Speaker 2: Break have a look in the mirror and ask yourself
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Speaker 2: why it took you two years to even do this.
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Speaker 2: I mean seriously standing up there saying, oh I didn't
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Speaker 2: it wasn't happening two years ago. Yes it was. Well
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Speaker 2: the opposition they didn't hold back and fair enough they've
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Speaker 2: had a crack.
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Speaker 4: They are absolutely not the type of laws Victorian's need.
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Speaker 4: When the Government pulled their laws from Queensland, they included
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Speaker 4: eight crimes and knocked out that there were thirty three
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Speaker 4: crimes in Queensland. Why because the government's Week on Crime.
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Speaker 2: Well right on q three hours in the new laws
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Speaker 2: will now potentially face their first test. How ironic is
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Speaker 2: that at two fifty am this morning, if you believe it,
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Speaker 2: two teenage girls, one age fifteen and one age sixteen,
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Speaker 2: and a sixteen year old boy were arrested by police
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Speaker 2: for alleged aggravated karjacking. This incident unfolded in dan and On,
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Speaker 2: a southeast suburb of Melbourne, outside the railway station in
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Speaker 2: dan Andong, with reports that two of the teenagers had
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Speaker 2: threatened a taxi driver remember their ages fifteen and sixteen
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Speaker 2: with a knife, forcing the cabby out of the vehicle
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Speaker 2: and then they stole the taxi. Now, the cab shortly
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Speaker 2: after crashed near the entry to the South Gippsland Highway
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Speaker 2: and the three individuals took off and a short time
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Speaker 2: later they were found by the dog squad. They are
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Speaker 2: now facing charges under these new laws that had only
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Speaker 2: been laws for less than three hours.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: Look, I'd like to say kids that young, allegedly armed
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Speaker 2: and stealing stuff is uncommon, but tragically I'd be misleading you.
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Speaker 2: This sort of alleged action is commonplace. Night after night.
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Speaker 2: People are threatened in their own homes, often by masked
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Speaker 2: invaders carrying weapons like machetes that they never had any
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Speaker 2: intention of handing in to a bin outside of police station.
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Speaker 2: For God's sake, I'd be bold enough to say it's
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Speaker 2: a nightly occurrence. Well, let me take you back to
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Speaker 2: the worst of the worst examples of what happened in
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Speaker 2: this state with crime. It was January twenty twenty four
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Speaker 2: and Melbourne doctor Ashley Gordon was fatally stabbed to death
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Speaker 2: outside his home in Doncaster after he chased three teenagers
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Speaker 2: down the street after they attempted to break into his house.
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Speaker 2: One of those men, a sixteen year old at the
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Speaker 2: time sixteen, delivered eleven blows with a knife the length
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Speaker 2: of a pen before doctor Cordon was kicked in the
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Speaker 2: face and left for dead. That first thug, who cannot
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Speaker 2: be named because he was a miner at the time
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Speaker 2: of the murder, will serve just twelve years before he
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Speaker 2: is eligible for role. That sentence was handed down by
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Speaker 2: Victorian Supreme Court Judge Justice Amanda Fox in December. Now,
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Speaker 2: the family of Ashley Gordon have maintained the sentence was
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Speaker 2: far too lenient, as it is with the man who
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Speaker 2: killed their son potentially free in just over a decade.
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Speaker 2: The brave sister of Ashley Gordon, Natalie, joins me. Now, Natalie,
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Speaker 2: thanks for your time. How can you tell me how
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Speaker 2: the family's coping.
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Speaker 5: They're not, none of us are. It doesn't get any easier.
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Speaker 6: It's actually getting harder as the time goes on. You know,
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Speaker 6: the reality of it is is we haven't spoken to him,
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Speaker 6: seeing him, hugged him for two years now, and it's
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Speaker 6: just getting harder and harder to swallow.
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Speaker 2: Can I give you the opportunity to tell us a
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Speaker 2: little bit about Dr Ashley?
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Speaker 7: Sure?
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Speaker 5: I love talking about him.
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Speaker 6: He was a great person. He was a larger than
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Speaker 6: life person. He prided himself on helping others. It was
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Speaker 6: most important to him to supply people with that really
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Speaker 6: important first point of care that a GP can give.
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Speaker 5: That's why he chose to go GP.
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Speaker 6: He had the world at his feet basically when he
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Speaker 6: graduated medicine, and he could have.
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Speaker 5: Picked any path to go down.
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Speaker 6: He had many paths that he was looking at, but
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Speaker 6: he chose GP because he wanted to be that critical
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Speaker 6: first point of care.
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Speaker 1: You sat through the court case.
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Speaker 2: I think how hard it must have been to hear
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Speaker 2: actually what happened to Ashley that night.
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Speaker 1: That must have been dreadful.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, thankfully we had spoken with the team, including detectives,
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Speaker 6: our prosecution team. They had been very open with us.
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Speaker 6: Everything was at our discretion. If we wanted to hear it,
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Speaker 6: they would tell us. So it made it slightly easier.
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Speaker 5: But hearing it.
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Speaker 6: Come from another person and hearing a defense lawyer try
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Speaker 6: and diminish my brother's character basically was gut wrenching. There
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Speaker 6: were moments there that, although it was an extreme struggle,
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Speaker 6: I forced myself to stay. Mum couldn't always stay. I
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Speaker 6: know Dad forced himself to stay, but it was just
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Speaker 6: horrific hearing the events of how they unfolded, and hearing
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Speaker 6: them from the offender's mouth as well, and hearing him
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Speaker 6: try and say that you know, Ashley was this horrible,
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Speaker 6: scary person, when in reality I know what big teddy
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Speaker 6: bear he was. Yet he might have seemed angry. He
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Speaker 6: had a right to be angry. You entered his house
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Speaker 6: three times while he slept, so.
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Speaker 5: Anyone in their right mind would have been.
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Speaker 6: Very mad, but the fact that you tried to say
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Speaker 6: he was horrid was gut wrenching.
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Speaker 2: Well, Natalie, as you and I well know, I mean,
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Speaker 2: many people would have done exactly what Ashlely did. I mean,
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Speaker 2: these people who are breaking into people's houses in the
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Speaker 2: middle of the night, invading your privacy, scaring the hell
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Speaker 2: out of whoever's in the house with you, whether it
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Speaker 2: be a partner or children. I mean, of course you're
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Speaker 2: going to react as an angry person. I mean, what
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Speaker 2: are you supposed to do? Just put your hands up
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Speaker 2: in the air and say, right, I take what you
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Speaker 2: want absolutely.
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Speaker 6: I mean everyone now looks at it and thinks, well,
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Speaker 6: what if that was my elderly grandparent or you know,
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Speaker 6: my mother or my father. In the beginning, there were
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Speaker 6: many people that said, oh, well, he shouldn't have he
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Speaker 6: shouldn't have chased him, he shouldn't have done that. But
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Speaker 6: if I read every comment online, I probably would, you know,
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Speaker 6: find myself extremely upset and probably curled up in a
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Speaker 6: corner somewhere. I've chosen to ignore them once because the
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Speaker 6: reality of it is, most people they know that that's
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Speaker 6: how they would have reacted. You are going to wake
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Speaker 6: up to find someone standing there. You're going to be
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Speaker 6: scared and then you're going to be mad.
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Speaker 2: The main offender here went through the old process. We're
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Speaker 2: now going to have a new process. I'll ask you
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Speaker 2: about whether you think that's going to be successful. In
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Speaker 2: just a moment, I outlined that now someone like this
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Speaker 2: would probably end up before the county court. But seventeen
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Speaker 2: years for murder for the murderer eligible for parole after
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Speaker 2: just twelve and given how young this person is, that
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Speaker 2: does not seem harsh enough punishment to me.
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Speaker 5: No, I agree.
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Speaker 6: Sitting there and listening to the judge explain what he
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Speaker 6: could potentially be facing within her courtroom for just one
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Speaker 6: of the aggravated burglaries, he didn't even get close to
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Speaker 6: that sentence for murder, you know. And she tried to
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Speaker 6: say that he made the choice and someone's lost their life,
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Speaker 6: and she's sympathetic to the family, but.
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Speaker 5: In actual fact she's not because they're not feeling it.
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Speaker 6: They don't understand the magnitude of the loss that we've felt.
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Speaker 6: They can only imagine, and they just choose to go
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Speaker 6: with the lesser sentence because they still to this day
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Speaker 6: believe that people committing crimes like that could be rehabilitated.
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Speaker 6: I'm sorry, but once you're at that stage, rehabilitation is
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Speaker 6: out the window.
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Speaker 2: Natalie, you had the opportunity to speak to the killer
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Speaker 2: in court with a victim's impact statement. What did you
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Speaker 2: say to him?
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Speaker 6: I outlined the magnitude of the loss he's made me feel.
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Speaker 6: I have lost my lifelong best friend, the one person
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Speaker 6: in my life.
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Speaker 5: Who would be with me in the beginning, in the middle,
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Speaker 5: and in the end.
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Speaker 6: I now face the reality of losing our parents with
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Speaker 6: no support.
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Speaker 5: No you know, no siblings support.
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Speaker 6: There the only person who grew up in the same
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Speaker 6: house as me, who knows all of our family holidays,
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Speaker 6: how magical mum and Dad made Christmas and birthdays. I
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Speaker 6: can you know no longer joke with someone about well,
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Speaker 6: be careful or I'll knock your two front teeth out,
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Speaker 6: because the reality of it is Ashley and I were
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Speaker 6: marking around and I lost my two front teeth. No
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Speaker 6: one else gets that joke because it to us, it
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Speaker 6: was just between him and I. I outlined, you know
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Speaker 6: that he's taken that completely and utterly away from me.
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Speaker 6: He's stopped my mum from ever seeing her son walk.
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Speaker 5: Down the aisle. I will never have my brother give
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Speaker 5: me nieces or nephews.
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Speaker 6: I'll never be able to love them the way he
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Speaker 6: loved my children. And I made it very very clear
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Speaker 6: that in years to come, if he ever was to
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Speaker 6: come looking for forgiveness, to never ever reach out to
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Speaker 6: me in any way, shape or form, because there will
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Speaker 6: never ever be an answer forgiveness.
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Speaker 2: You're such a strong and impressive woman. I just want
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Speaker 2: to ask you. I mean, obviously we have the people
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Speaker 2: who committed this crime.
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Speaker 1: They've been gone through the courts and being convicted on.
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Speaker 2: A wider case, who do you blame for the situation
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Speaker 2: that we see these sorts of incidents, not as serious
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Speaker 2: as that took the life of your brother, But we
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Speaker 2: see these home invasions, people armed with knives and machetes,
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Speaker 2: not after night, not after night, week after week, people
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Speaker 2: getting frightened.
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Speaker 1: Who do you blame?
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Speaker 6: I do blame the government. I blame the do Unfortunately,
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Speaker 6: we now live in a society that gives all the
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Speaker 6: rights to the children's parent.
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Speaker 5: Parents don't parent children anymore.
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Speaker 6: There's no discipline at any level because they're too scared
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Speaker 6: to discipline because they're.
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Speaker 5: Going to get in trouble for discipline and their children.
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Speaker 6: I'm not saying that we need to beat them, but
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Speaker 6: if we're not implementing discipline, respect and rules at a
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Speaker 6: young age, we're ending up here. We see the cycle now,
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Speaker 6: we're seeing the bad that has happened from giving all
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Speaker 6: the rights to an immature generation. And you know, we
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Speaker 6: continue to give out handouts. We continue to allow people
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Speaker 6: to have terrible behavior and still give them the rights.
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Speaker 6: At the end of the day, they're the ones that
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Speaker 6: have the freedom of speech within the court system. I've
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Speaker 6: witnessed it myself. We were controlled in what we could
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Speaker 6: and couldn't say, but the offender could say whatever he wanted.
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Speaker 5: We continue to give the rights to the wrong people.
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Speaker 6: We're not respecting the law abiding, working citizens. We're just
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Speaker 6: we're giving all the the hand is given to the
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Speaker 6: ones that are taking the government for a ride, whether
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Speaker 6: they're living off purely government resources and they're saying, oh,
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Speaker 6: but I've been unfairly done by.
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Speaker 5: We continue to just say, oh, that's okay, we'll make
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Speaker 5: it better. Everybody has a choice. You have a choice
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Speaker 5: to make your life what it is.
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Speaker 6: I have to work hard for all the things I
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Speaker 6: have in my life because I want them, because I
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Speaker 6: choose to work hard to get them. I'm not out
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Speaker 6: there just taking them from anyone. But if I was,
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Speaker 6: that would be okay. I would just be told, oh,
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Speaker 6: don't do that again. Please the government they've got their
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Speaker 6: heads buried so deep in the sand.
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Speaker 5: I work with young children.
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Speaker 6: I work in childcare, and I see the patterns beginning
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Speaker 6: as young as.
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Speaker 5: Three and four years.
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Speaker 6: You can see the kids that are growing up in
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Speaker 6: a household that is teaching them that this is okay,
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Speaker 6: we just get given what we want. Unfortunately, the government
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Speaker 6: are ignoring the fact that this is a wider issue
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Speaker 6: to just what's happening, and they're only trying to act
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Speaker 6: on impulse of what's happening right now.
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Speaker 5: They're not looking at the bigger picture.
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Speaker 6: They're not trying to work back and correct a system
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Speaker 6: that is so badly broken.
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Speaker 2: It's a pity not listening to someone who's impressive as you, Natalie.
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much for giving us a bit of time.
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Speaker 2: I know how hard it is.
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Speaker 5: Thank you for having me. I appreciate it.
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Speaker 1: Good on you. What an impressive young woman.
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Speaker 2: I mean, the break they're having to lose her brother
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Speaker 2: like that is just poring.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: Coming up, Treasure Jim Chalmers back to politics, not ruling
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Speaker 2: out changes to negative gearing in his upcoming budget, with
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Speaker 2: a report in The Australian Today suggesting investors may be
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Speaker 2: limited to two properties. Thanks for that, Jim, welcome back.
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Speaker 2: Now coming up, there's been a by election in the
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Speaker 2: UK overnight in Manchester. It could be the writing on
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Speaker 2: the wolf for UK Prime Minister Sir Kiir Starmer. There's
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Speaker 2: been a bit of a shock result. We'll get some
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Speaker 2: details on that for you shortly. We're also going to
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Speaker 2: be a by election in Australia, of course, in the
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Speaker 2: seat of Farah. I want to go first though, to
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Speaker 2: speculation that the Treasure of Jim Charmers is looking to
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Speaker 2: limit property investors to a maximum of two investment properties
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Speaker 2: to be able to be negatively geered. I mean, seriously,
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Speaker 2: talk about stamping on the only way that you're going
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Speaker 2: to get more rental properties into the market. I mean
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Speaker 2: it's apparently one option on the cards. Jim Chalmers keeps saying, oh, well,
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Speaker 2: Treasury looks at these things and the lead up to
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Speaker 2: the budget. The budget's going to be in May. Well,
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Speaker 2: I don't know whether this is going to work in
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Speaker 2: Brisbane today. This was the Treasurer and he very coy
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Speaker 2: didn't want to be drawn on the idea.
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Speaker 8: We've got a tax policy, We've got a tax agenda
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Speaker 8: which is all about cutting income taxes and beyond that,
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Speaker 8: we know that there is a sense of intergenerational unfairness
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Speaker 8: in the tax system and in the housing market as well.
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Speaker 8: That's why we work so hard and so closely together
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Speaker 8: to try and build more homes in communities.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to get sick and tired of this generational unfairness.
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Speaker 2: I mean, what about all the people my age and
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Speaker 2: a bit younger who work so hard during their whole
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Speaker 2: lives to get some sort of a property portfolio. I
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Speaker 2: don't negatively gear any property, but good luck to anyone
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Speaker 2: who does.
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Speaker 1: Friday Night Regular.
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Speaker 2: Queensland Liberal Premier Campbell Newman joins us, We're going to
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Speaker 2: hear a lot about this generational unfairness, aren't we.
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Speaker 9: Look, the whole of the left and Australia are busy
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Speaker 9: spreaking this bs, Steve, and you will sadly continue to
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Speaker 9: hear it. And it is complete rubbish what they're talking
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Speaker 9: about here. With limitations of negative gearing just defy all
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Speaker 9: sort of sense of history. Mister Chalmers is great hero.
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Speaker 9: Paul Keating tried this back here in the late eighties,
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Speaker 9: and you and I have got long memories. You know
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Speaker 9: what happened, Steve. There was a complete deficit of rent
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Speaker 9: or housing stock on the market and that ultimately was reversed.
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Speaker 9: And similarly with capital gains, tax and concessions, that will
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Speaker 9: have a bad impact as well. The real problem here, made,
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Speaker 9: i think, is the intellectual capacity of both the Treasurer
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Speaker 9: and the bureaucrats that are advising him to actually understand
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Speaker 9: what happens in the real market. Let me give you
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Speaker 9: a quick example. We've talked before about tobacco excise. They
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Speaker 9: cranked up tobacco excize to massive levels, and what's happened
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Speaker 9: is the tax receipts have plummeted like a stone. And
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Speaker 9: it's because they've created a massive black market. And that's
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Speaker 9: just an example of what happens when you get these
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Speaker 9: policies wrong. What this nation should be doing is trying
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Speaker 9: to reduce spending Jim charmers, but actually creating a tax
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Speaker 9: system that massively incentivizes people to go out and try
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Speaker 9: and have a go make money because ultimately the ATI
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Speaker 9: will then collect more money. That's what will happen again,
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Speaker 9: look at what's happened with tobacco xis if they drop
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Speaker 9: the excise, that actually ironically pull in more money and
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Speaker 9: they'd kill the organized crime business model.
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Speaker 2: One hundred percent. And then you know that tobacco revenue.
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Speaker 2: I think it's around about ten billion dollars that they're losing.
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Speaker 2: I mean, if they go through this process of saying, okay,
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Speaker 2: you can negatively gear two properties and know more well,
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Speaker 2: a whole bunch of people are going to dump those
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Speaker 2: extra properties above the two onto the market. That's going
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Speaker 2: to smash the real estate market. Prices on cheaper investment
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Speaker 2: properties are going to all be on the market all
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Speaker 2: of a sudden, and the prices are all going to drop. Well,
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Speaker 2: maybe that's what they're attempting to do so that people
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Speaker 2: can afford.
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Speaker 1: To buy houses.
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Speaker 2: But whatever happened to personal ambition and working hard and saying,
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Speaker 2: you know, the best way for me, the best way
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Speaker 2: for me to minimize my tax is to have a
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Speaker 2: couple of properties that I rent out at a loss
21:06
Speaker 2: so that I can bring down my tax.
21:08
Speaker 9: Built Steve the bottom line here is that the reason
21:14
Speaker 9: we have a housing crisis is because lots of people
21:16
Speaker 9: have been coming into Australia. And you know, if it
21:19
Speaker 9: was done properly, you know, we could probably deal with it.
21:21
Speaker 9: But the problem is that across the three levels of government,
21:25
Speaker 9: they are slow to approve new dwellings. They don't provide
21:28
Speaker 9: the funding for infrastructure in a timely way, and there
21:32
Speaker 9: are massive taxes all the way through in terms of
21:35
Speaker 9: building a new home. And you know that's the problem,
21:39
Speaker 9: and the planning system makes it hard to do stuff.
21:42
Speaker 9: I mean, I'm in the property sector as you know,
21:45
Speaker 9: and you know the trouble is, you know this is
21:48
Speaker 9: well known, but none of them can get the to
21:51
Speaker 9: a point where they actually take the necessary steps to
21:54
Speaker 9: free out the market. And it is it's about freeing
21:57
Speaker 9: up supply. It's about actually owing builders and developers and
22:03
Speaker 9: people throughout the system to create that new stock and
22:06
Speaker 9: then we wouldn't have a problem, we wouldn't have a
22:08
Speaker 9: problem at all.
22:11
Speaker 2: You and I are going to watch with great interest
22:13
Speaker 2: this by election in Farah Reckon's going to be one
22:15
Speaker 2: of the most interesting we've had for a very long time.
22:17
Speaker 1: Susan Lee.
22:17
Speaker 2: Now she's signed off she left a message went out
22:21
Speaker 2: giving Angus Taylor a sort of slight, a little bit
22:25
Speaker 2: of a slap, subtle swipe. I would have call it
22:28
Speaker 2: colleagues who replaced her. You know, I guess her legacy
22:31
Speaker 2: is going to be this bit of I guess four
22:33
Speaker 2: cornered contest in Farah. The Libs look like they'll probably
22:37
Speaker 2: lose it. It looks to me like it's probably going
22:39
Speaker 2: to go to a Teal Independent. There was a new
22:43
Speaker 2: candidate out there today already who came second to Susan
22:46
Speaker 2: Lee during the federal election, dressed up in orange T
22:49
Speaker 2: shirts out there campaigning already. Liberals haven't even got a
22:52
Speaker 2: candidate yet.
22:56
Speaker 9: I think it is going to be very interesting. That's
22:58
Speaker 9: probably the understatement of the evening from me. But look,
23:03
Speaker 9: you know, this one nation thing, Steve, I would not
23:06
Speaker 9: underestimate it. There's some really interesting things going on out
23:12
Speaker 9: there across Australia. I still believe by the way that
23:17
Speaker 9: there is a reticence for people to actually say they're
23:19
Speaker 9: supporting one nation. But you know, for example, I was
23:22
Speaker 9: speaking to a bloke today who's a senior executive, and
23:28
Speaker 9: he was he confided me that he was going to
23:31
Speaker 9: vote for one nation, and he's always been an LNP
23:34
Speaker 9: supporter and will go LNP second. But that's what's going
23:40
Speaker 9: on out there.
23:42
Speaker 1: I think, you know, the.
23:43
Speaker 9: Liberals and indeed the Nationals are going to get a
23:47
Speaker 9: terrible surprise in by elections like Farah. But other things
23:50
Speaker 9: down the track.
23:53
Speaker 2: I just want to quickly talk about age care. I'm
23:55
Speaker 2: in that twilight zone. My mum's ninety one. I'm trying
23:57
Speaker 2: to work out home care for She doesn't want to
23:59
Speaker 2: move in into nursing cares.
24:01
Speaker 1: You want to stay in her own home.
24:03
Speaker 2: But I read in the Australia and who are doing
24:04
Speaker 2: great job on this, operators jacking up the prices after
24:08
Speaker 2: the government changes on November one, one hundred and eighty
24:11
Speaker 2: dollars an hour for shower, two hundred ninety, two hundred
24:15
Speaker 2: and ninety dollars campbell for an hour for a gardener,
24:18
Speaker 2: and one hundred and seventy dollars an hour for a cleaner.
24:22
Speaker 2: Now I employ a cleaner, two of them. They come fortnightly.
24:26
Speaker 2: I pay them one hundred and eighty dollars and they're
24:28
Speaker 2: there for about four hours. What the hell's going on here?
24:33
Speaker 9: Well, it's sort of similar to what we've talked about
24:35
Speaker 9: on another show previously in relation to the INDIS, and
24:39
Speaker 9: you were a call perhaps that I said, I was
24:41
Speaker 9: looking at the arrangements around provision of care to INDIS recipients,
24:46
Speaker 9: and people had to be accredited. So just to cut
24:49
Speaker 9: the grass at an INDIS recipient's house or their special accommodation,
24:54
Speaker 9: you know, you had to be accredited. And then suddenly
24:57
Speaker 9: it was a massive amount more than say Jim's mowing
25:00
Speaker 9: would charge you, and so on and so forth. My
25:02
Speaker 9: sense of it is that this is what's going on here.
25:04
Speaker 9: And the trouble again is when the government and the
25:07
Speaker 9: bureaucrats in can we come up with these ill conceived
25:10
Speaker 9: schemes and sort of frameworks for providing care and don't
25:15
Speaker 9: think about the implications in the marketplace. This sort of
25:19
Speaker 9: stuff goes on and you know, on the face of it, Mate.
25:23
Speaker 10: It's rotting.
25:25
Speaker 9: But the roughts and the business opportunities created by hand
25:29
Speaker 9: by hand fisted regulation, and if there's a problem in
25:32
Speaker 9: this country or today again, Steve, it is over regulation.
25:37
Speaker 9: If government would get out of the damn way and
25:40
Speaker 9: devise welfare and social support programs that actually was conscious
25:46
Speaker 9: of the potential for raughting made sure that people got them,
25:51
Speaker 9: they got the money and they could decide who they used.
25:55
Speaker 9: Then perhaps we would see much better outcomes. In fact,
25:58
Speaker 9: I'm confident.
25:59
Speaker 1: That we would.
26:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to do a lot more digging on it.
26:02
Speaker 2: Always good to see you, my friend. I'll see you
26:04
Speaker 2: next Friday night, Campbell Newman there. I want to go
26:06
Speaker 2: to this inaugural Aspire conference that was held in Sydney
26:09
Speaker 2: this week. You might have seen the likes of Peter Castilla.
26:12
Speaker 2: He ended up on page one of The Australian and
26:14
Speaker 2: he delivered a very powerful speech on the economy. We
26:17
Speaker 2: also heard though, from policy experts on everything from immigration
26:20
Speaker 2: to childcare. It was very interesting conference, but I was
26:23
Speaker 2: particularly struck by these comments about the problems facing the
26:27
Speaker 2: next generation of young men.
26:29
Speaker 1: Have a look, Jared Holt.
26:31
Speaker 11: Young people want to build their lives on a firm foundation,
26:34
Speaker 11: not on the uncertainty of a volatile rental market and
26:37
Speaker 11: a one better apartment in Zeteland or Strathfield.
26:41
Speaker 10: With all this pressure, such little hope.
26:43
Speaker 11: And coming close to achieving the Australian dream upon which
26:46
Speaker 11: our social contract between generations has been built. Is it
26:50
Speaker 11: any wonder that more and more young people are identifying
26:53
Speaker 11: as depressed and pessimistic about the future.
26:57
Speaker 2: Words from Jeredy's, the chief executive of the Research Genery
27:01
Speaker 2: is a regular here on Sky. What reaction did you get?
27:04
Speaker 2: They were powerful words from you there on stage.
27:08
Speaker 11: Look, Steve, firstly just to say, I think all the
27:10
Speaker 11: speakers that spire were absolutely phenomenal and it was a
27:13
Speaker 11: real privilege to be able to share the stage with them.
27:15
Speaker 11: But I think what I was really trying to share
27:17
Speaker 11: with the world and share with Australia, what many people
27:20
Speaker 11: may not realize is this generation of young men in particular,
27:24
Speaker 11: they aren't doing as well as their forebears. Now, every
27:27
Speaker 11: generation has had its challenges, but you know, the economy
27:30
Speaker 11: in the toilet be at war. Are we certainly not
27:33
Speaker 11: the first generation to have had that kind of diversity,
27:36
Speaker 11: But something very different is happening in the way that
27:39
Speaker 11: we're able to handle it.
27:40
Speaker 10: And I think you just need to look at the
27:41
Speaker 10: mental health statistics.
27:42
Speaker 11: Around a third of young Australian men now identify with
27:45
Speaker 11: a serious mental health disorder, about a tenth to ten
27:48
Speaker 11: percent are dealing with substance abuse issues, and suicide has
27:52
Speaker 11: overtaken car accidents and disease as a leading cause of
27:55
Speaker 11: death in our young.
27:56
Speaker 10: Men, and we are an outlier around the rest of
27:58
Speaker 10: the world.
27:59
Speaker 11: In Australia, young men take their lives about three times
28:02
Speaker 11: the rape of young women, well above the world average
28:05
Speaker 11: of about two times. So there's something going wrong here.
28:08
Speaker 11: And yes, there is those economic problems. And I think
28:12
Speaker 11: in that clip you just shared, I was alluding to
28:13
Speaker 11: a housing crisis, but I wanted to look a bit
28:15
Speaker 11: deeper at what's happening culturally and socially amongst our community
28:19
Speaker 11: as well.
28:20
Speaker 2: The oldest of this generation, Jared, are nearing thirty, the
28:24
Speaker 2: youngest if my math is correct, about thirteen or fourteen
28:30
Speaker 2: of the older group, so say men between boys and
28:34
Speaker 2: men between twenty and thirty. How much of this is
28:37
Speaker 2: that men have been criticized strongly for the last couple
28:42
Speaker 2: of decades about being dreadful people that you know, they're
28:46
Speaker 2: all involved in domestic violence, they're lazy, they don't want
28:49
Speaker 2: to work, they sit around on computer games and don't
28:53
Speaker 2: play sport. I mean, I don't think that's real, but
28:57
Speaker 2: that's what they've been accused of. Is that what you're
28:59
Speaker 2: talking about?
29:00
Speaker 11: Yeah, Well, I think undoubtedly a lot of young men
29:03
Speaker 11: are retreating and be that to video games, pornography. We
29:06
Speaker 11: know that from the data that when they're not getting married,
29:08
Speaker 11: they're not having kids, they're not going on dates, they're
29:10
Speaker 11: not having sex. This is increasingly the sexless generation compared
29:15
Speaker 11: to their four bears. And I really think a big
29:17
Speaker 11: part of that is from the time they walk into
29:19
Speaker 11: that school gate, they are bombarded by all the things
29:21
Speaker 11: that you're talking about.
29:22
Speaker 10: That they're toxic, that they are.
29:24
Speaker 11: White supremacists, that they're upholding the patriarchy, that if they're straight,
29:28
Speaker 11: they're cisgendered, That they are committing microaggressions, that all of
29:33
Speaker 11: these really quite radical activist language and teaching that has
29:38
Speaker 11: entered our curriculum.
29:39
Speaker 10: It's on our screens.
29:40
Speaker 11: It's in ABC and Screen Australia with their dei quotas.
29:43
Speaker 11: It's in Hollywood where we're seeing movie after movie, franchise
29:46
Speaker 11: after franchise, the white leads being swapped out for ethnically
29:51
Speaker 11: diverse leads. And that's not to say that there isn't
29:53
Speaker 11: a place for diversity on our screens, but what has
29:55
Speaker 11: happened is young boys, and particularly young white boys, have
29:58
Speaker 11: been told that they are the baddies. They are evil,
30:01
Speaker 11: they are everything that's gone wrong with the world. That
30:03
Speaker 11: their history is oppressive, and I think a lot of
30:06
Speaker 11: young men are feeling, well, what place do I have?
30:08
Speaker 11: Where do I find an identity? What is my story?
30:11
Speaker 11: How can I be aspirational in this country when increasingly
30:14
Speaker 11: from every microphone I'm being told that I'm the problem.
30:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, I reckon. At thirty I was just peaking.
30:21
Speaker 2: I reckon, I was at the happiest time of my life.
30:24
Speaker 2: I mean, it's so sad to think of this. I mean,
30:26
Speaker 2: how are we going to rescue these boys and men?
30:29
Speaker 10: Well, I think there's a lot can be done.
30:30
Speaker 11: I mean housing affordability is a big one, and I
30:33
Speaker 11: mean under thirty five has had the lowest home ownership
30:36
Speaker 11: on record, so it's just under a third.
30:39
Speaker 10: In the eighties it was around sixty percent.
30:41
Speaker 11: So there's been that collapse in that of course has
30:44
Speaker 11: delays other life milestones, and so getting the housing crisis
30:48
Speaker 11: under wraps I think would be some immediate relief. But
30:50
Speaker 11: I think we need to really start to look at
30:52
Speaker 11: the curriculum. We need to look at what we're telling
30:54
Speaker 11: our boys. It's not good enough to give them an
30:57
Speaker 11: education where they are told that they are the villain
31:00
Speaker 11: in Australia's story. We need to renobilize the curriculum and
31:04
Speaker 11: the way that we're teaching them. Tell them about the
31:06
Speaker 11: incredible heroes in their past, that the settlers, the convicts,
31:10
Speaker 11: even that carved out of this country with bullet team
31:13
Speaker 11: and axe blade, one of the most prosperous civilizations and
31:16
Speaker 11: countries that have ever existed in human history. That we
31:19
Speaker 11: have so much to be proud of that everyone is
31:21
Speaker 11: flocking around the world to try and get here because
31:24
Speaker 11: of what their forebears built. That they aren't guilty by association,
31:28
Speaker 11: they are guilty by their birth, but they too can
31:30
Speaker 11: have an incredible part to play in our Australian story,
31:34
Speaker 11: and we need to believe in them. Tell them that
31:35
Speaker 11: they're needed, that they're wanted, and that they're loved. And
31:39
Speaker 11: I think that that kind of out, that kind of
31:43
Speaker 11: focus in our education, that kind of language from government,
31:46
Speaker 11: that kind of story from our media institutions, I think
31:48
Speaker 11: will go a long way to giving boys a place
31:51
Speaker 11: and really giving them encouragement.
31:54
Speaker 2: Won't happened, but maybe we ought to put Tony Abbott's
31:57
Speaker 2: excellent book that is released in the curriculum money.
32:00
Speaker 10: Jared, Yeah, I think that'd be wonderful.
32:02
Speaker 11: I think the way, you know, to our curriculum, everything
32:06
Speaker 11: about our history, about our ancestors is all for deconstruction,
32:09
Speaker 11: pulling apart, what's the feminist interpretation, what's the black interpretation
32:14
Speaker 11: of what we've done? But then we tell our kids,
32:16
Speaker 11: you know, the climate science and all these other radical hysterias,
32:19
Speaker 11: that these are gospel truth and they can't be questioned.
32:21
Speaker 11: And there's really something pernicious going on there. And I
32:23
Speaker 11: think giving boys Tony Abbott's Australia history, not not just
32:27
Speaker 11: our boys, our guilds as well.
32:28
Speaker 10: I think really looking at the curriculum is such an
32:30
Speaker 10: important step.
32:32
Speaker 1: Good work.
32:33
Speaker 2: Good to catch up with you again, Jared, Thanks a lot.
32:34
Speaker 2: Now coming up, could the shock outcome for a Manchester
32:38
Speaker 2: by election spill serious trouble as.
32:40
Speaker 1: A Key has done?
32:40
Speaker 2: And how much more trouble could he be in? And
32:42
Speaker 2: has Britain doubled health spending for nothing? We'll cross live
32:47
Speaker 2: to our regular in the UK up next. Welcome back
32:54
Speaker 2: and to go to the UK now where, believe it
32:56
Speaker 2: or not, there is more happening than the shaming of
32:58
Speaker 2: Andrew Baton Windsor. I mean, boy, that story has got
33:02
Speaker 2: a long way to run. There's been a by election
33:04
Speaker 2: in and around Manchester. I think it is and so
33:07
Speaker 2: wake up call, not just for the Labor Party as expected,
33:10
Speaker 2: but also the Reform UK Party would have thought they
33:14
Speaker 2: might have done a bit better. I think Green's candidate,
33:17
Speaker 2: Hannah Spencer has taken out that by election. She is
33:21
Speaker 2: a local plumber and a Green Party councilor was elected
33:25
Speaker 2: as the party's first MP in that region, overturning Labour's
33:29
Speaker 2: thirteen thousand vote majority. Now that means the Greens will
33:32
Speaker 2: going a fifth MP with forty one percent of the vote.
33:36
Speaker 1: Quite the upset.
33:37
Speaker 2: Joining me now our Friday regular Sky News contributor Adrian hayes,
33:41
Speaker 2: we can't take our eyes off, Andrew. Adrian, but what
33:44
Speaker 2: does this mean? I think you're seeing it not so
33:46
Speaker 2: much as a shock because of the quality of that candidate.
33:50
Speaker 2: Perhaps explain what happened?
33:53
Speaker 12: Yeah, Look, the Greens credit and run a very effective campaign,
33:58
Speaker 12: but very divisive camp. It was based on religious sectarian grounds.
34:04
Speaker 12: There was campaign videos in Urdu and Bengali. There was
34:08
Speaker 12: a picture from the Greens of Kirstam with Nearendra Modi
34:11
Speaker 12: the Indian Prime Minister was showed where the sort of
34:13
Speaker 12: vote was going, but they did not totally unexpected Steve.
34:17
Speaker 7: They did win, and win good.
34:18
Speaker 12: But it does show a sort of state of play
34:21
Speaker 12: of the UK today where the two main parties Labor
34:25
Speaker 12: and Conservative, basically collapsed. Labor have held this seat for
34:28
Speaker 12: about the last five hundred and fifty years and they
34:31
Speaker 12: lost it badly. So I don't think it's one of
34:33
Speaker 12: reform's greatest It wasn't one of the great biggest targets
34:37
Speaker 12: to aim for, but it does show a state of
34:41
Speaker 12: player of Britain which not all Some would say that's fine,
34:44
Speaker 12: not all will find satisfactory.
34:47
Speaker 2: I was listening to someone trying to describe what Gorton
34:51
Speaker 2: and Denton is and they made the point that it's
34:54
Speaker 2: quite a divide down the middle. On one side you've
34:57
Speaker 2: got an old white population and on the other side
35:01
Speaker 2: you've got a large immigrant population.
35:04
Speaker 1: Is that what we're looking at here?
35:07
Speaker 12: Yeah, very much so, white working class on one side
35:09
Speaker 12: and very high Muslim community on the other. Now, you know,
35:13
Speaker 12: and this brings me on to what the Green vote
35:15
Speaker 12: stands for. I mean, the Greens have have long sort
35:19
Speaker 12: of abandoned real environmentalism and concerted conservation policies for the
35:23
Speaker 12: net zero cult and they sem to abandon that it
35:25
Speaker 12: was an election about Gaza. I mean that policies are
35:30
Speaker 12: just are bizarre, frank you know, sorry, transgender ideology, you know, open.
35:37
Speaker 7: Borders and all these things.
35:38
Speaker 12: But that will appeal to legalizing drugs, hard drugs and
35:43
Speaker 12: Hispanic leaving nature as well. That will appeal to a young,
35:46
Speaker 12: middle class student demography.
35:49
Speaker 7: But if you.
35:49
Speaker 12: Campaign on Gaza and these issues, then you're going to
35:52
Speaker 12: get the high Muslim vote as well.
35:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Greens, they saund lot the Greens here they
35:57
Speaker 2: seem like to the Greens here might be copying him
35:59
Speaker 2: by the.
35:59
Speaker 1: Sound of it.
36:00
Speaker 2: Any impact on Starmer, He's in as much trouble as
36:03
Speaker 2: he could be in, but any more impact on.
36:05
Speaker 12: Him, well, we'll waiting to see. There's already been calls
36:08
Speaker 12: for him to sort of to resign. I mean, it's
36:10
Speaker 12: a disastrous result for Labor. I don't think it's too
36:13
Speaker 12: bad for the Reform Party. I think they'll be saying, look,
36:16
Speaker 12: we are the real opposition. But as I said earlier,
36:19
Speaker 12: it really shows a state of play of the two
36:21
Speaker 12: main parties who have got some real big problems to face.
36:26
Speaker 1: Let's talk royals.
36:28
Speaker 2: Can I ask you a very simple question, as someone
36:31
Speaker 2: who travels on a regular basis to the Middle East,
36:34
Speaker 2: can you explain to me why Harry and Meghan Meghan
36:38
Speaker 2: Michael are in Jordan.
36:42
Speaker 12: I think anything to do with the Sussexes is You've
36:44
Speaker 12: got to look at pr and publicity. It's a very
36:48
Speaker 12: fame obsessed woman and her husband in to I don't know,
36:54
Speaker 12: it's a very strange sort of why are they there.
36:57
Speaker 12: I'm a bit divisive again, but anyway, but there's a
37:02
Speaker 12: pr battle going on between the Sussex and the Prince
37:04
Speaker 12: and Princess of Wales. Sort of a stem from the Sussexes.
37:07
Speaker 12: But I think everything got to be taken with a
37:09
Speaker 12: pinch of salt, which what Harry and Meghan do.
37:13
Speaker 2: Andrews had one of the biggest falls from grace of
37:16
Speaker 2: anyone you can ever remember. I mean, this is a guy,
37:19
Speaker 2: if you can correct me, I mean you know your
37:22
Speaker 2: military as well as anybody. This is a bloke who
37:24
Speaker 2: was a chopper pilot. He fought in the Falklands War.
37:28
Speaker 2: I remember the anecdote about how he actually, you know,
37:31
Speaker 2: put himself out there as a target at one point
37:34
Speaker 2: to help the rest of the battle that was going on.
37:38
Speaker 2: Can you ever remember someone falling from grace so hard
37:42
Speaker 2: as what he has I was.
37:45
Speaker 12: Just about to use those words falling from grace. I mean,
37:48
Speaker 12: it is absolutely spectacular.
37:51
Speaker 7: And the news keeps coming out.
37:52
Speaker 12: There's bad news, bad news not just on the you know,
37:55
Speaker 12: the Epstein Island everything, but just his abusive as a
38:00
Speaker 12: trade secretary, a trade end voice for Britain. Now, I
38:03
Speaker 12: had the privilege of speaking to certain ambassadors in my
38:06
Speaker 12: time abroad, and everyone just shook their head.
38:08
Speaker 7: He was late, he was rude, He.
38:10
Speaker 12: Wouldn't sort of do what he was what he was
38:12
Speaker 12: expected to do. He's he was a loose cannon, and
38:15
Speaker 12: I just you know, what he needs to do is
38:18
Speaker 12: to real eat humble pie and actually come out and
38:20
Speaker 12: say I was an absolute fool. But I just don't
38:22
Speaker 12: think he sees it himself. He sees he's a very
38:25
Speaker 12: entitled prince, former prince, and just just even now as
38:29
Speaker 12: sort of acting very very bizarrely.
38:32
Speaker 7: But anyway, that's yeah, spectacular.
38:35
Speaker 2: Well, he comes across as a grift, a rude bloke,
38:38
Speaker 2: someone who was bettered down on you know, staff, he
38:43
Speaker 2: was angry and rude to them, and they hated working
38:46
Speaker 2: for him, So you know, he's probably copped what he
38:49
Speaker 2: needed to cop. Ady know what's great to catch up
38:51
Speaker 2: with him, my friend, have a have a great weekend.
38:53
Speaker 2: It's Adrian Hayes. He'll be back with us next week.
38:56
Speaker 2: Now coming up, car thieves have a clear favorite. You
38:58
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39:00
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39:06
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39:15
Speaker 2: it's panel time now and let's start off shul tonight
39:17
Speaker 2: and the much anticipated appearance have happened today Former First
39:21
Speaker 2: Lady and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. She was being quizzed,
39:25
Speaker 2: of course, about guess who, none other than Jeffrey Epstein.
39:29
Speaker 2: She used the opportunity to accuse Republicans of shielding Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump and urged the lawmakers there to question him and
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Speaker 2: Elon Musk under oath over their links to Epstein.
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Speaker 1: Here's what she said.
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Speaker 13: Afterwards, we returned to answer questions repetitively, literally over and
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Speaker 13: over again. I don't know how many times I had
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Speaker 13: to say I did not know Jeffrey Hepstein. I never
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Speaker 13: went to his island, I never went to his homes.
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Speaker 13: I never went to his officers. So it's on the
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Speaker 13: record numerous times.
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Speaker 1: Look.
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Speaker 2: I watched that and I just prayed that one of
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Speaker 2: those reporters there was going to ask her one question.
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Speaker 2: One question, that's it. What about your creepy husband in
40:12
Speaker 2: all those pictures with all those young girls. I mean, Hillary,
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Speaker 2: it didn't happen. Sadly joining me Sky and his contributors
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Speaker 2: Jamie Rodgers and Joe Hildebrand. I mean, seriously, Jamie, well
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Speaker 2: you have to ask yourself why she's still married to
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Speaker 2: that bloke, Steve.
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Speaker 14: I think that's the question everyone has been asking since
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Speaker 14: the Monica Lewinsky scandal. But to your point, that was
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Speaker 14: something that I was thinking too, that while she stood
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Speaker 14: up there and said that she didn't know Epstein, she
40:39
Speaker 14: was never on his plane, she was never on his
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Speaker 14: island or at his home. I sat there and thought, well,
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Speaker 14: all the eyes will be on Bill Clinton when he
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Speaker 14: is set to testify, because, as you mentioned, there is
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Speaker 14: that photo which which is undated, and he's grainy, but
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Speaker 14: you can clearly see that he's there with Epstein. And Maxwell,
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Speaker 14: as well as some women whose faces are redacted. This
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Speaker 14: is the first time that a former president has been
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Speaker 14: forced to testify at Congress, so no doubt, all eyes
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Speaker 14: will be on the former president to see what he
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Speaker 14: says and what he can talk to about the Jeffrey
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Speaker 14: Epstein relationship that he had.
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Speaker 1: Joe.
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Speaker 2: It's just a pity we're not going to get live
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Speaker 2: coverage of that because Sky's ratings would have gone through
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Speaker 2: the roof tomorrow. I mean, the questioning of Clinton. Bill
41:22
Speaker 2: is going to be a hell of a lot more
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Speaker 2: complex because, as Jamie just said, you've got pictures of
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Speaker 2: him in a spa bar, pictures of arms around young women.
41:30
Speaker 2: I mean, those pictures don't lie.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 15: Look, I actually feel really sorry for Hillary Clinton because
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Speaker 15: this is the sort of stuff that Bill Clinton is
41:38
Speaker 15: already on the record as having done to her, cheating
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Speaker 15: on her, running around with much younger women. There's no
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Speaker 15: reason why she would know the intimate workings of Jeffrey
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Speaker 15: Epstein's operation, because of course she's the last person that
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Speaker 15: Bill would want anywhere near it while he was there.
41:57
Speaker 15: So I think it's very unfair to target Hillary. It's
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Speaker 15: a shame that all these hearings are taking place behind
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Speaker 15: closed doors. If we're interested in transparency and accountability and openness,
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Speaker 15: we should be having public hearings, not least so that
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Speaker 15: Sky can broadcast them. As you said, Pricey, and again,
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Speaker 15: I think this sort of licentiousness. I mean, if you
42:16
Speaker 15: remember this sort of commentary around Bill Clinton when he
42:20
Speaker 15: had the affair, and you know, the Kenneth Starr was
42:23
Speaker 15: just a dirt digging Republican and this was all just outrageous,
42:27
Speaker 15: and these women who were coming forward were you know,
42:31
Speaker 15: were traitors to the Democratic cause, and there seemed to
42:34
Speaker 15: be this sort of mentality that, oh, well, you know,
42:36
Speaker 15: it's fine to have a little, you know, a little
42:39
Speaker 15: bit of something on the side. And we all know
42:40
Speaker 15: plenty of boomers who came of age in the sixties
42:43
Speaker 15: and seventies sort of thought this thing was perfectly normal
42:46
Speaker 15: and perfectly fine. And maybe Hillary Bill still do, given
42:50
Speaker 15: that they're still together. And yet you see that it's
42:52
Speaker 15: a really slippery slope from that to the sort of
42:55
Speaker 15: thing that's happening now or being revealed now with Jeffrey
42:59
Speaker 15: Epstein in the way him and his coterie of people
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Speaker 15: of that same generation operates.
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Speaker 2: Let's take a very unusual pivot and talk about car theft.
43:08
Speaker 2: I mean Australia's sixty thousand. I couldn't believe that figure
43:12
Speaker 2: cars are stolen in Victoria alone, and I'd be telling
43:16
Speaker 2: you that would be Melbourne. And apparently toyotas are in
43:20
Speaker 2: high demand. I know Holden commodorees are in high demand
43:24
Speaker 2: as well. But when you look at that figure, Joe,
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Speaker 2: sixty thousand Victorians have had a car stolen, mainly from
43:31
Speaker 2: outside their house when they're asleep inside, with people creeping
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Speaker 2: around taking the keys out of the dish on the
43:38
Speaker 2: inside the front door.
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Speaker 1: It's unbelievable number. It is, mate.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, and my old hometown is the car theft capital
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Speaker 15: of the world. I did a piece recently comparing Victorian
43:48
Speaker 15: and New South Wales numbers, and car theft is just
43:51
Speaker 15: a national national sport in Victoria. The toyota thing, though,
43:56
Speaker 15: I can understand. I mean going after the toyotas. I
43:59
Speaker 15: desperately trying to find justerately trying to buy a land
44:02
Speaker 15: cruise off my mechanic which my wife is banning me from,
44:06
Speaker 15: and she said it's got three hundred and thirty thousand
44:08
Speaker 15: kilometers on the clock. And I'm like, it's just getting started.
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Speaker 1: It's just bea engine in.
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Speaker 15: Under the VA engine under the bondet and it's got
44:16
Speaker 15: LPG conversion as well. She just doesn't see sense.
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Speaker 1: I'm with her.
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Speaker 2: I got to say, Jamie, We've even had tourists in Dubai.
44:25
Speaker 1: This is unbelievable.
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Speaker 2: Everybody thought this was anecdotal, but there's tourists in Dubai
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Speaker 2: taping snapping pictures of Toyota high Lux is still with
44:33
Speaker 2: Victorian number plates strapped on them.
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Speaker 14: I know when you were talking about that data, it
44:37
Speaker 14: was saying that one in five of those cars that
44:39
Speaker 14: are stolen and never seen again because they get put
44:42
Speaker 14: into shipping containers and then moved to different parts of
44:45
Speaker 14: the world. And to your point, there's they're popping up
44:48
Speaker 14: in Dubai with these Victorian number plates. But it was
44:51
Speaker 14: also interesting there was a tip within that article that
44:54
Speaker 14: if you want to avoid getting your car stolen, don't
44:57
Speaker 14: use one of those steer locks, because it's really easy
44:59
Speaker 14: to buy a ch angle grind that you can just
45:01
Speaker 14: cut it and steal the car. But you can now
45:03
Speaker 14: buy brakelocks that you can then stick over the brake pad,
45:07
Speaker 14: and that prevents car theft, So a bit of a
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Speaker 14: tip that was in that article.
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Speaker 1: Too, Yeah, we might need to do that.
45:13
Speaker 2: I want to talk about rugby leagues obviously kicked off
45:16
Speaker 2: this weekend with Vegas. AFL will start next Thursday, and
45:20
Speaker 2: we're told now that Victoria police are going to deploy
45:22
Speaker 2: what they call critical Incident Response Team officers. Now they're
45:27
Speaker 2: going to be armed with long arm semi automatic rifles
45:30
Speaker 2: outside high attendance AFL matches at the MCG and Marvel. Well,
45:35
Speaker 2: for anyone who's not an AFL fan, every match at
45:37
Speaker 2: the MCG in Marvel's normally pretty much full. This is
45:42
Speaker 2: a hell of a bad look, Joe. Is that what
45:44
Speaker 2: we've really come to? That you're going to have to
45:46
Speaker 2: have a little like in Germany or Italy or France,
45:50
Speaker 2: people who look like combat soldiers wandering around with automatic weapons.
45:54
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's really depressing, isn't it?
45:56
Speaker 15: But I guess this is what happens when you have
45:58
Speaker 15: radicals and extremists marching up and down the streets week
46:01
Speaker 15: in week out, saying death death to the IDF and
46:04
Speaker 15: globalize the into fada, and you know, and all Zionists
46:09
Speaker 15: are terrorists. I mean, that is the kind of febrile,
46:12
Speaker 15: highly charged atmosphere we live in in Australia. In Sydney,
46:16
Speaker 15: we just had the same kind of police presence for
46:19
Speaker 15: a visit from Isaac Herzog, the Israeli Prime Minister. President
46:23
Speaker 15: I'm sorry, where we had the exact same thing, police officers,
46:27
Speaker 15: you know, with high powered long range rifles, snipers on rooftops,
46:33
Speaker 15: in windows because they didn't know where the next terror
46:38
Speaker 15: attack or terror threat or assassination attempt would come from.
46:41
Speaker 15: And that's what happens when instead of engaging in peaceful,
46:45
Speaker 15: sensible discourse on an issue, you have people basically saying that,
46:49
Speaker 15: you know, the other side doesn't deserve to live.
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Speaker 2: Jamie, You wonder what you're going to tell your young children, six, seven,
46:57
Speaker 2: eight nine year olds going to the football when they say, Mom, Dad,
47:01
Speaker 2: why is there a soldier there with a very big,
47:04
Speaker 2: nasty looking weapon.
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Speaker 14: It's what on there, Steve. That's the age of my children.
47:09
Speaker 14: I've got an eight year old and a six year old.
47:11
Speaker 14: But we already saw this on the Boxing day test.
47:13
Speaker 14: I was there at the g and there were lots
47:16
Speaker 14: of police there with the long armed rifles and it
47:19
Speaker 14: was so confronting. And this was just a few weeks
47:21
Speaker 14: after the terrorist attack on Bondi, but you did have
47:24
Speaker 14: to stop and think, this is the sad reality of
47:27
Speaker 14: Australia now, this is who we are and this is
47:29
Speaker 14: what's now required to keep us all safe. It is
47:32
Speaker 14: reassuring though when you do see that the police are
47:35
Speaker 14: taking our safety very seriously. But we will all start
47:38
Speaker 14: to get used to these sites. It's, unfortunately just the
47:40
Speaker 14: sad reality our country is now.
47:41
Speaker 2: In the other sad reality of Australia, Joe, is that
47:45
Speaker 2: VB are going to make a mid strength of the
47:47
Speaker 2: eu plagued? Seriously, who thinks that's a good idea?
47:51
Speaker 1: It is just so depressing, isn't it.
47:53
Speaker 15: I mean I just wanted the young people doing. Now
47:56
Speaker 15: they're letting us down pricey. They're not going out to
47:58
Speaker 15: the pub anymore and get drunk and you know, snogging
48:02
Speaker 15: in the bathrooms like we used to. I don't know
48:04
Speaker 15: how they meet their wives. I do find this really depressing,
48:09
Speaker 15: and it's all part of this. Have you noticed when
48:12
Speaker 15: you're driving along or walking along in main street? Now
48:15
Speaker 15: there's no pubs anymore, there's no bars, they're all gyms,
48:18
Speaker 15: there's nothing but Jim Well, I can't compete in that door.
48:22
Speaker 1: Wonder.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got to wonder what John Millian had make
48:25
Speaker 2: of this whole thing. That bar of visit the Oaks
48:27
Speaker 2: Hotel in Sydney. They're going to have to burn that down.
48:30
Speaker 2: It's unbelievable. Thank you both for joining me. Jaure was
48:33
Speaker 2: a great pleasure on a Friday. I mean that is extraordinary.
48:35
Speaker 2: Who's going to drink mid strength VB VB is full strength?
48:40
Speaker 2: It is nothing else. I'll be fascinated to see what
48:43
Speaker 2: Bill Clinton says when he's before that Republican panel tomorrow
48:47
Speaker 2: about Gene's friendship with Jeffrey Epstein. We'll see Rondine's up
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Speaker 2: next