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175. December 2023 Human Design & Astrology Transit Update · The Rochelle Christiane Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the emotional mastery podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I am your host, rochelle.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a holistic human design health coach and this is a space for human design and spiritual journey.
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  Speaker 1: It's not about being a master of your emotions, rather mastering the tools to self-inculate, to awakening yourself and remembering who you are.
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  Speaker 1: Human design changed my life about five years ago and I've been learning and teaching the system ever since.
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• 0:39
  Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of the emotional mastery podcast.
• 0:42
  Speaker 1: This intro is going to be so short because Jesse and I recorded this this morning, which is Wednesday.
• 0:48
  Speaker 1: I just finished editing it at 10 o'clock on Wednesday evening and it's coming out tomorrow morning at 5 am.
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  Speaker 1: I am just briefly introducing this because I'm really excited that we were able to coordinate this month because last month our schedules did not align as we were talking.
• 1:08
  Speaker 1: Today, I'm just so grateful and just love these episodes.
• 1:12
  Speaker 1: I'm just so glad that it's back this month.
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  Speaker 1: We talk about December transits.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot going on and, I think a lot of the themes that come up are around.
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  Speaker 1: Of course it's the holidays, so a lot of family stuff is naturally going to be coming up.
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  Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of Venus, pluto, Mercury things are stationing direct.
• 1:31
  Speaker 1: Neptune is showing up on Christmas, so it'll give us a little bit of an illusion maybe, but then Saturn's coming in and asking for us to set boundaries and all the things.
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  Speaker 1: This episode is really really good and I hope that you find it supportive.
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  Speaker 1: I know Jesse has a 2024 forecast.
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  Speaker 1: The link for that will be down in the show notes.
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  Speaker 1: If you are interested in knowing what's going to happen next year, go check that out.
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  Speaker 1: Human Design Astrology If this sounds interesting and you want to know how it aligns with your personal transits, how it's going to impact you, that is available Again, link in the show notes.
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• 3:28
  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Motional Mastery Podcast.
• 3:30
  Speaker 1: We actually missed last month.
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  Speaker 1: I have Jesse Eccles here.
• 3:33
  Speaker 1: We missed last month.
• 3:35
  Speaker 1: Our schedules were not aligning for whatever reason.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so excited to jump back into it this month.
• 3:40
  Speaker 1: I was looking at transit throughout the month and I was like did I talk about this one?
• 3:43
  Speaker 1: I don't even know.
• 3:44
  Speaker 1: I was just trying to get them all in there for last month.
• 3:48
  Speaker 1: I'm so excited to connect and do this again this month, because I always look forward to it.
• 3:54
  Speaker 1: It's always fun.
• 3:55
  Speaker 2: Yes, I know I missed connecting with you last month too.
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  Speaker 2: It helps me.
• 4:00
  Speaker 2: I do the year ahead forecast.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes by the time it gets to that month we're at the end of the year now.
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  Speaker 2: I've forgotten about a lot of what's going on.
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  Speaker 2: I go through these phases where I personally disconnect from the transits as well.
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  Speaker 2: I like these podcasts because we can background it to what's going on which reminded me December.
• 4:23
  Speaker 2: We'll talk about it, but so many planets are stationing direct, which is just a cool way to end the year.
• 4:30
  Speaker 1: Then we have Mercury going retrograde.
• 4:31
  Speaker 1: I feel like there's a lot with Venus.
• 4:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's just maybe like Venus personally has really been putting me through it since July.
• 4:39
  Speaker 1: I'm like what more.
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  Speaker 2: Where's Libre in your chart?
• 4:42
  Speaker 1: It's my south notice in the third house.
• 4:45
  Speaker 2: Yes, okay, then I'm a Torah son.
• 4:46
  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Venus rules, I mean your penution.
• 4:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know if this is on just my end, but I know you post these.
• 4:54
  Speaker 2: Your video is coming in and out.
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  Speaker 1: I know I'm trying to switch it.
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  Speaker 1: It's on my hold on.
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  Speaker 1: Where do I start?
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  Speaker 1: Where does my video?
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  Speaker 1: It's for Speaking of Mercury basetime ancient.
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  Speaker 1: All right Now it's going to be all weird because I'm not looking at it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I got to switch, let me move it over here.
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  Speaker 2: Actually fine, it's definitely a different angle, but it's fine, there we go, I'll move.
• 5:15
  Speaker 1: No, because I have an exterior thing, but for some reason the cord, like the connection, it just keeps going in and out.
• 5:21
  Speaker 1: Sometimes Every time I touch my desk it goes out.
• 5:25
  Speaker 1: I'm like whatever, we're just going to go with the, the not great MacBook camera.
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  Speaker 2: That's all right, it'll do.
• 5:32
  Speaker 2: We survived a long time without all we sure did All right.
• 5:38
  Speaker 1: Well, we'll jump right into it.
• 5:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, I tried to literally put it out chronologically.
• 5:45
  Speaker 2: It's okay if we skip around too.
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  Speaker 2: It's just the way my brain works.
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  Speaker 1: I know it's helpful, because then I go back and forth and I know it confuses listeners.
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  Speaker 1: So we'll start with the first.
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  Speaker 1: We have Mercury moving into Capricorn on the first.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, so Mercury changes signs every month at least, so Mercury moves into Capricorn right away.
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  Speaker 2: On the first, is this podcast coming out before then?
• 6:08
  Speaker 1: It's going to come out tomorrow.
• 6:09
  Speaker 2: That's it Okay.
• 6:10
  Speaker 2: Number first is also Garrett's birthday, so I'm emotional.
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  Speaker 2: But Mercury enters Capricorn, An earth sign.
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  Speaker 2: Mercury in Capricorn allows us to think more practically.
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  Speaker 2: We also maybe have higher expectations.
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  Speaker 2: Our communication is potentially a little bit more rigid, but it's grounding.
• 6:32
  Speaker 2: It's a grounding placement.
• 6:34
  Speaker 1: And it's going to be in gate 10 for human design.
• 6:36
  Speaker 1: This is the love of the self, behavior of the self.
• 6:38
  Speaker 1: It's in the G-center, so it's all about communicating your.
• 6:42
  Speaker 1: The G-center is love, purpose, direction, so it's about communicating all of that.
• 6:46
  Speaker 1: It's like you are setting the stage for how you would treat yourself or be.
• 6:52
  Speaker 1: I feel like something that's been coming up for me.
• 6:55
  Speaker 1: A lot is setting that standard and precedent for how I want people to treat me and it comes from the way I treat myself and the way I treat other people.
• 7:02
  Speaker 1: And so that reminds me of this gate, and with Mercury they're communicating that, and then Capricorn, just in a way that's very grounded and practical and makes sense and not just overly emotional and being dramatic.
• 7:12
  Speaker 1: It's very different energy.
• 7:14
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, that's what comes to me specifically with that gate.
• 7:18
  Speaker 2: I love that because, yeah, Capricorn is.
• 7:20
  Speaker 2: I was just doing a reading with someone that had a Capricorn moon right, really high expectations, capricorn moons.
• 7:26
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you they were always in my life.
• 7:30
  Speaker 2: I don't have all that many, to be honest.
• 7:31
  Speaker 2: So yeah, that's funny.
• 7:33
  Speaker 2: But yeah, the high expectations, but with it being in the G-center and the identity it's like the expectations you have for yourself and those boundaries and being able to communicate, that is really really key.
• 7:43
  Speaker 2: I feel like the Gemini phone moon was a bit ago, but communication has just been a thing in general for maybe a lot of reasons, but communication in general has been a thing.
• 7:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we're still what is today.
• 7:55
  Speaker 1: So the moon just moves into cancer today.
• 7:57
  Speaker 1: So it's been still in Gemini.
• 7:59
  Speaker 1: God time is so weird.
• 8:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, it feels like it's really happened.
• 8:04
  Speaker 2: I was up all night.
• 8:06
  Speaker 2: I'm usually a solid sleeper, like other than my kids, but I was like what the heck is going on?
• 8:12
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh yeah, literally woke up, right as it was exact, and I was up the rest of the night.
• 8:18
  Speaker 1: I woke up with wild dreams at like three.
• 8:21
  Speaker 1: It was three something.
• 8:22
  Speaker 1: I didn't see what time it was, but I know central time that it was three.
• 8:25
  Speaker 1: 16 was when the moon was full, like at the direct point, and so, like in the morning when I woke up I was like, well, that was weird, like I couldn't fall back asleep because there was just such heavy energy with the dream that I was telling me.
• 8:35
  Speaker 1: But I have my Chiron and Gemini too, so I'm like maybe it was just like passing over that, I don't know.
• 8:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's so interesting.
• 8:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so Mercury and Capricorn, and then I have in the second, we have Venus, square Pluto, so Venus and.
• 8:48
  Speaker 1: Libra, square Pluto and Capricorn, and Venus is also.
• 8:51
  Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm sorry that's the third I misspoke, but Venus is moving into Gate 50 on the second and then on the third it's Square Pluto, and Gate 50 is that gate of like the fear.
• 9:02
  Speaker 1: There it's in the spleen, it's just like the fear of responsibility.
• 9:05
  Speaker 1: So that whole channel is like the nurturing channel, it's like the mothering channel 50, 27.
• 9:10
  Speaker 1: And so, yeah, it's all about like your responsibility and like taking responsibility for yourself.
• 9:13
  Speaker 1: I feel like, and it's the energy of like filling your cup so you can then fill the cup of others.
• 9:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that.
• 9:19
  Speaker 2: Venus is also, like I just well, you said it's wreaking havoc in your own chart, but it's actually conjunct the South Node today too.
• 9:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, so we have this like process of Venus conjunct the South Node, square Pluto enter Scorpio Like that's quite intense energy, like all of the above Right.
• 9:36
  Speaker 2: So there's this release with the South Node bringing up old patterns, often in relationships where which is like a huge trigger for so many people, right, and then Square Pluto, so like transforming those.
• 9:47
  Speaker 2: But it's not, it's Pluto, it's not like this, just like, oh, we're going to let go of everything in the past and then just transform and like move into this nice place of intimacy with Scorpio.
• 9:55
  Speaker 2: But it it could play out like that, but yeah, then leaning into that Square Pluto allows you to transform that.
• 10:00
  Speaker 2: And then moving into Scorpio is it happens right after that Square December 4th.
• 10:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I actually I don't know.
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: I feel like I've understood that just who I am is intense in general.
• 10:13
  Speaker 1: So, like I love Venus and Scorpio, yeah, I don't have my Venus and Scorpio.
• 10:16
  Speaker 1: But I love the energy behind Venus and Scorpio because it's deep, it's intense, you know, it's like all those like Scorpionic things.
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: But it's interesting that you said that Venus is conjunct the South Node.
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: Today I literally woke up and this sounds like whatever, but like I have a handful of like guys that I'm talking to.
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: But I woke up and I just had a ping.
• 10:32
  Speaker 1: I was like just send them all like a good morning, because sometimes I'll like wait for them to text me or whatever.
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: I'm like I'm like thinking about it, you know, just like send all this like mass.
• 10:39
  Speaker 1: I mean obviously not together but separate, hey guys.
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: But it's interesting because like I'm viewing like the situation so differently than I ever have in the past.
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: Like I usually get really fixated on one person, but right now, for whatever reason, I'm just like they're all expanders in their own right.
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: Like none of them are like the full package and I'm aware of that.
• 10:56
  Speaker 1: But I'm like in different ways they're all showing me what I want.
• 10:59
  Speaker 1: So it's allowing me to like really see and like set my standards and my needs and like understand all those things.
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: So just like a really interesting place for me to be in right now.
• 11:07
  Speaker 1: But it's just interesting again with all that Venus stuff going on.
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: I'm like it just makes sense right, that is happening right now.
• 11:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you've kind of let go of a lot of old patterns.
• 11:15
  Speaker 2: It's not new in the last week for you, right, this has been a process, but being in this kind of place of like switching over right, it's like a kind of like okay, now I actually can see where I'm at, and that's I feel.
• 11:26
  Speaker 2: I actually feel like Venus Square Pluto is going to continue to support that.
• 11:29
  Speaker 2: For you, square is not always necessarily supportive, but it really, like forces you to transform that.
• 11:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah One.
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: It's like it's like taking action, right.
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: It's showing us, like, what we and Pluto is bringing things to the surface, right.
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: It's like showing us the things that we need to move through.
• 11:42
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, it's.
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, it hasn't like been an easy process, right.
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: But like the last couple of weeks, I just feel so much more neutral about it, where I'm like, okay, I'm seeing it clearly, I'm not like delusional about it, right, like I can actually see it for what it is and like appreciate that.
• 11:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's just yeah, it's such a shift, yeah.
• 11:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I feel like proud of myself.
• 11:58
  Speaker 1: I had a moment last night where I was it wasn't even about that, it was just like triggered about something completely, completely separate.
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: And I, because I've been like so emotionally like detached right, where I can see my emotions, I can see my thoughts and I can call bullshit on it, I can separate them.
• 12:10
  Speaker 1: But like last night I had a moment.
• 12:12
  Speaker 1: So I was like you know what?
• 12:12
  Speaker 1: Nope, I'm going to meditate, I'm going to go to bed and we're leaving it here.
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: And I woke up this morning early and I was like I am just feeling it Ready to go, ready to go, but okay, so then we?
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, venus, it is Scorpio, so what does that like look like for us collectively?
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: So there is a component of intimacy, right.
• 12:32
  Speaker 2: So Venus, venus is.
• 12:33
  Speaker 2: All the planets are complex, but Venus is always such an interesting one to me because people, people know it right, like not your standard person just knows, like about Neptune, where Venus is like, oh, the planet of love, like we know this in, like even in elementary school when we learn about the Greek gods, so like Venus is a place that we do look at for love, but it's also self worth, it's values, like you know.
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: Speaking of Taurus, we were talking about that before the podcast, a little bit.
• 12:55
  Speaker 2: And so, moving into Scorpio, which is intimacy, but it's depth, it can be emotional depth, it has a plutonic feel to it where it is about transformation as well.
• 13:06
  Speaker 2: So in the love life area, depending on where it is in your chart, it can be a place where you find a lot of transformation through a relationship, but it also really is like.
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: So Scorpio has this air of like control as well, and that can be good or bad, just like anything.
• 13:23
  Speaker 2: But with Venus, I think, around the idea of like self-worth, you can really you don't always think of water as like a place to set boundaries, scorpio being a water sign but I do actually think it's an opportunity to kind of be in control of your own worth, if that makes sense, yeah.
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: And I think like it's also doing something with Saturn at some point this month too, which I think would reinforce the setting boundaries right.
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: So Saturn is that.
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: I think it's one degree Pisces probably right now.
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: It's just been right at the beginning of.
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: Pisces.
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: So it'll try on the Saturn.
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: On the fifth, it'll try Saturn right away.
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: Actually, the next day.
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be all it will try, and Saturn right away, and then, at the end of its time in Scorpio, it'll try Neptune as well.
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: Okay, so there's this water and that's Christmas Day, is that okay?
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken, the 25th.
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, venus trying Neptune, yeah, so that'll be interesting yeah.
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: I know there's kind of like a lot going on at the end of the month Around that time.
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: Well, the 26th, I know, the full moon.
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: There's a lot going on with the full moon and then we have so the day that.
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: So the fourth, venus moves into Scorpio and the sun is also moving into gate five, and this is like the natural rhythms of life and like kind of aligning yourself with that.
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: So we may just feel more of like and I just finished reading a creative act.
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you've read that book or the creative act, a creative act whatever but it talks about it's like this dual thing.
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: But it just, I mean, it talks about creating routines and structures and how a lot of people think that stifles creativity.
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: But it doesn't.
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: It actually allows you to expand in your creativity.
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: Because if you have like a routine of like stillness, like whatever it is, and also the duality of that, like switching up your routine, also creates creativity.
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: But I just think like sometimes, like I know in my life, sometimes I'm so resistant to the routines and I'm just like, ah, but then I also have Mars and Capricorn on Sixth House, and so then I do realize, like I do like structure and routine when it comes to like stuff.
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: You know, like my health, I have certain things I take in the morning.
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: I have you know what I mean.
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: So like there are certain ways that that does feel good, but it's just an interesting but that's what the sun's going to be, and so, collectively, I feel like we're going to be trying to like, feel this like routine.
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that makes sense.
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: And then, okay, what's next?
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: So we have the Sixth Neptune stations direct in Pisces, and then the sun moves into gate one, which is the most, it's the most masculine gate in human design, it's in the G center and it's all about, again, creativity.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: The first and the second gate are the Yin, the Yang, the masculine, the feminine, and they're both really, really about creativity, and so we might just find ourselves being a little bit more creative in the sense of like that action taking rather than like receiving, with Neptune stationing direct and I know we talked about this, I don't know if it was like the last time just like those outer planets are sort of always having that energy.
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: So I don't know if we're really going to be noticing anything specifically with a stationing direct.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: I feel like yes and no, just like everything.
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: Like if you have personal planets there, you're going to notice it a lot more in your day-to-day.
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: I do think you know 2023, 2024, chaotic in a lot of ways, and just December has so many planets stationing direct.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: Well, mercury stations retrograde, but like Neptune's direct, jupiter's direct, kyron, kyron I was like I swear there's another one, like you know, big planets stationing direct.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: So I do think that there is going to be an overall feeling throughout the month of like, okay, we can kind of start to like, move forward and also, just like any planet, there's like that shadow period of stationing direct.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: So we're not going to Neptune being so delusional, right and illusion, right, like it's not something we're going to just be like.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: It's going to feel like a screeching halt.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: Oh great, we're going to move forward now.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: But I do think there will be especially so it's like Mercury retrogrades on the 13th and Neptune directs on the 6th.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: So we have kind of like a couple days where we might feel both of them will be in shadow periods but we might feel like a glimpse of clarity because Neptune, right, when it's direct, it's already like kind of a foggy rose color glasses type energy in Pisces and when it's direct it's even more so.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: So we might feel a little bit of like intuitive clarity with that initial direct, but it's going to take time to, I think, really feel that unless you have a really specific placement at I think it's 24 degrees 24, 23 degrees, which is square my ascendant, and I actually I can't.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: I actually I'm hoping I have.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: I don't like it.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: That whole transit to me.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: I keep trying to figure out how to understand and I just can't and I'm like of course I can't, it's fricking.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: But I think I'll have more clarity as it starts moving off my ascendant.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Okay yeah, my Jupiter is 17 degrees of Pisces and then it's square my Venus and my Uranus.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: So I guess, like technically it's still like mixed up in there.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's a little bit far off.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: Seven, three, five, six, seven, eight, that's eight degrees.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's not yeah.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: I was going to say I'm like a little stricter with outer planets.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Because you have to be, because otherwise you're just always in an outer planet transit basically yeah, Like you kind of just have to be what is your like.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Your like rule with outer planets for yourself.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: If I'm doing like a transit reading for someone else and it's like three degrees, I might mention it and ask about it, but for myself, honestly, like one, two degrees, it's like really specific.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: And.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: I don't, yeah, I mean you might.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: You're going to feel it before and after and you'll understand like the bigger story, but the exact feeling of it I feel like is right during that exactness.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that makes sense.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Like Uranus is at 20 degrees Taurus, my Sun is at 24, but like a few weeks ago, I feel like, when it was like 21, 22, it was so intense, yeah, and I know it's going to be like hovering around it for like two years.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Well, that's exactly why.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Because, for example, so my Moon, well, my Sun is 24 degrees set.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: So I've got exact right now with Neptune, but my Moon and Saturn are at zero and one degrees Aquarius.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: If I did like a five degree orb with Pluto, I would be in a Pluto conjunction with my Moon for like three years.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: And that just I can't even make sense of that.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Right, it's already like a weird.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: So I'm like, okay, I need to know when it's exact, because even when it's exact, it's like a six week period.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's depending on how retrogrades work and stuff, yeah.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's definitely intense Like that.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: So where were we at?
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Let's see, that was Neptune, direct, and then, oh, venus.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: So then Venus is opposite Jupiter on the ninth.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, I didn't write down all the aspects, but that's probably true.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: I have the chart up.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: I'm just like I'm always interested in the Taurus, like Scorpio, just selfishly because, like of course, so much there.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: No, it's relevant.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, as with all this stuff in Taurus and Pisces, like we have Saturn and Neptune and Pisces and we have Uranus and Jupiter and Taurus.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: I'm constantly looking at what's going on in Scorpio and Hergo, right, because that's a lot.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then Aries I feel like Aries Libra too, which is like Chiron in the node, I know yeah.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: That's another exact one for me, is it?
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so Chiron's been sitting at 15 degrees.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Aries, my MCIC axis is 15 degrees.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: It's literally been there for a year.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how's that been feeling for you?
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: I'm going to cry.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: I don't even know.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: There's been a lot of funny now like literal things, like Chiron on the IC.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Our literal home has just had like I actually just had my Riki lady come yesterday and finally just cleansed it all.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: We have had like five.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: We've been here for two years.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: We've had five different water damage insurance claims that just lead to you know that spirals into everything else.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: So there's just like the physical home but like beyond that, like the first time Chiron went at 15 degrees Aries when my grandma passed, which was over a year ago now, that was the first time Chiron hit my IC was the day she passed, and when someone passes all the like ramifications of that, right, like.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: So there's just all this family.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I want to say fallout Hopefully my mom does all this but like just family shenanigans, right, that falls out from that and so, and like my grandma, like I'm just obviously that's like ancestral lineage stuff too, beyond that.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: I'm like named after her mom and there's just a lot of layers to that that I feel like I maybe that's why Pluto is on my moon, because I'm just like having to emotionally process all that.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: So there's layers with all of that, but I'm like very ready for that to continue on its way, even though it'll still be in my fourth house.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it won't be like directly on it.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Like I mean, ted, I sometimes forget to like look at those specific lines, you know, like all that.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Like I mean, obviously, when Venus was like in retrograde on my Ascendant, like that was one thing right Cause it was highlighting it.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: But I guess I sometimes forget to like look at my MCIC and all that stuff.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: I started doing it like I guess now a while ago, but I really especially Eclipse's.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: I actually really find that Transits and Eclipse's, especially on ACDC, mcic access, are the most pivotal.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Every time we do like a reverse transit read we've been doing those like in the membership every single time we do that and someone brings up something like oh, let's look at 1994.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Let's look at whatever.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Every single time the Eclipse is around, their ACDC access and there's other stuff going on.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: But like it's like this huge transformational time period.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, interesting.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Track it for yourself.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Go look at it.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: What was the?
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: I don't remember what the Eclipse was, because the tourist Scorpio access.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: I wonder if that was on my lines, but I don't know.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: I even wait.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: What's your rising?
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a Leo, but for.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: But Torris is my MC score.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: This is your MC, right.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not always like exact like that where it's like the same modality, but yeah, so your MC IC axis, yeah, was affected by the eclipses.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, which I feel like, from what I do know, I feel like you have gone through quite a bit of change around, a lot of I have.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's definitely been an intense few months, for sure.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: The angles and transits.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: I'm like I need to do a deep dive on it and like research, research, but like personally and through readings, like they're hugely impactful.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know especially, which is weird because they're not even in space.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: They're just angles, right Like they're not like planets, right.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean it's all energy.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Right, I don't know yeah.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so interesting.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, so where were we at Well?
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: so Venus will oppose Jupiter During its time in Scorpio like it'll oppose both Jupiter and Uranus, which for a lot of people if that's like personal.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: So I have Venus opposite my natal Uranus.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Anyway, in my own chart.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: So then I realized like sometimes I realized why I feel like relationships feel so unpredictable and chaotic to me is just because naturally it's there, it's just my life, but I do.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: I have to go through cycles, like every time I enter into something new, it's like it's like cycles.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: And then I have this period of chaos and anxiety and then I come back to like being normal and like so it's this whole thing and I would like feel like crazy about it.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: And then I was like oh, that's why.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Have you I don't know if you've like really tracked this, but when a transit happens.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: So your natal Venus isn't in Scorpio and your natal Uranus isn't in Taurus, but that opposition you have.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: So another example would be like you know when so I have Saturn conjunct my natal moon and whenever, which happens, so transit wise Saturn will conjunct the moon every month right Once a month just in a different sign.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: So like that feels actually usually quite comfortable to me.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Where, like collectively, like it just found it feels normal to me, yeah, where for other people that's going to feel heavy, like do you find, I don't know, maybe take a note of when Venus is opposite Uranus?
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: I'm literally writing that down now, to like see, like if it's like oh, this, this feels chaotic, but like, at least if, like, it feels like me or in some weird way, I don't know.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: I'm just curious if, like you, it's obviously different signs to print houses in your chart, but like if you feel that a little bit more normal or not, yeah, yeah, I will, I'll track it, but so like.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: But with that collectively, what can we experience?
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: or what can we?
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: expect or what might be feel.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: So I think the whole axis we've been familiar with because that's where the eclipses have moved out of, and so that part of our life has been changing.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: It's potentially been a struggle.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: It's potentially been a place we don't want to let go of, because that's that's where the south node was.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: So we've already let go of so much of that area of our life and with Venus moving into that, it's like, okay, this kind of nice reset where we can really get clear in our values and being opposite Jupiter, jupiter expands wherever it is and so there is potentially a nice expansion, but it might feel hard because of that opposition, but it's, it's.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: It's about oppositions are considered hard aspects, right, but when you think about it, like the north and the south node are always opposite each other and that's all about an integration, and so that's why the way I see oppositions too, it's like, oh well, we need both.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: So I've been expanding in this tourist area of my life where, hopefully, we have been really leaning into practices of self-worth, right, and really like Uranus has made that chaotic over the last several years.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: But that opposition, hopefully we can integrate the kind of like.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: It's like the what was I going to say it's like sensuality and sexuality.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: It's like the, both the pleasure and like that, that like kind of like soft pleasure and that like really like deep intimacy as well.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: And I'm saying it's.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: It's almost like it's sounding sexual, which it can be, but it's also like the tourist pleasure is like can be simple, right when, like that Scorpio pleasure, it's like getting deep on the emotional level and so being able to integrate that Jupiter can really help expand and balancing that.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: So it's not too much of the tourists or the Scorpio and allow it to balance.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: And then as it moves to Uranus, it's going to like throw us for a loop later We'll be like, yeah, you thought you knew what you were doing right, let's just see Like it'll be like that test of okay, are you, have you really integrated these energies which we've been working on literally since 2021 with the Eclipses?
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: We've been working on integrating these energies and I think Venus, opposite Jupiter and then Uranus, will allow us to to do so.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: I like all these intense transits and maybe it's just like my.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: I have like a lot of squares and oppositions and stuff like that on my chart, which like when you do this work, you like have to.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I literally did stuff.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody walked into work yesterday and I was like how are you?
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: She goes, I hate this place.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Then she came up to me later.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: She's like I'm sorry, how are you?
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: But I was just like it's so funny Like just a lot of people are feeling like the intensity of like everything that's happening right and, like you said, I think when you're when you're doing the work and you're just like facing it on a daily basis, it's I feel like you're more equipped to just like see it and hold the space for like what needs to process right and you can sort of like see it from a different perspective.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: So it's like when I see like intense transits, part of me is like all right, let's brace for it because it's been intense, but also it's always showing us something you know, yeah, and so it's like lean into it or not, but it's still going to keep like repeating.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: And I think if you're learning the lessons and you're doing the work, when these intense transits come up, it's not going to feel like it's going to rock your world right, like if you're doing the work.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: It's almost more supportive.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Yes, and, like you, just become aware of things Like that's the way I like that, because I feel, and maybe this is an Neptune square might send in a little bit but it's like sometimes I'm like what am I even doing?
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Like I don't even know.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: And when intense transit comes up, it's like instant, like okay, even if it's hard, or information I don't want, or like it feels negative.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: It's like okay, at least now I know like and then I can move forward.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: That's how I typically feel about oppositions and squares.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: It's like okay, great, now I have this and we can move forward rather than like linger in this, like weird icky feeling that I don't know why I'm here, and like it shows a lesson in your face and you can move through that.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: But again I think you and I and most people probably listening to this podcast are like yeah, give me that.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Like I want to grow, I want to heal, I want to transform.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and just like attacking onto something that you said, to like that feeling, I think a lesson.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's always a constant lesson for me.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: I don't like obviously this is the motion master podcast, so emotions are always a thing but I think, just like learning to like, let the emotion sit in your body without attaching your mind to it, because that's when we like start looping and we don't let it go right Is when the mind attaches it to like a thought or situation or an experience, rather than just being like okay, this is something that my body is experiencing.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's collective, maybe it's me, maybe an empath, and I walked into a room and somebody's mad, like whatever it is, instead of just like clinging to it, and I think then it just like allows it to pass, like I just try and do that, I just try and shut the stories off in my mind right when I'm like, when my body is experiencing something, and just like come into that.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: So I think, like with these intense trends, that sometimes it's like what is your body feeling?
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: It doesn't have to mean anything other than the fact that you're experiencing energetically what's happening.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: I love that yeah.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: And then on the 10th, the sun moves into gate 26, which is what the new moon's going to be in the moon, I believe.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Correct me if I'm mistaken, but I believe the moon's going to be in gate 26 as well, and gate 26 is in the ego center.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: And so this is like the salesman you made a face.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Did I get it?
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you did yes, no, I think this I think this gate's funny.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have this.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: I don't, oh gosh.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: You know, I know my chart so well, but sometimes I don't remember it at all.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: But gate 26, essentially it's in the ego center and it's like the salesman right.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: So it's like manipulating memory in order to like, make the sale sort of to convince people, and I think, a lot of people with this gate.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: It's like we almost feel like, maybe, if you don't have the whole channel because I don't have the whole channel, I just have the one I just had, gate 26.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: But it's like we almost feel icky because we know that we can convince anyone of everything, but then it just feels like weird to us.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: You know, let me see gate 26,.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to oh, I have it in my unconscious, you're honest.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: That's why I'm just in unconscious.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, Both of my sons have that whole channel, oh really, and I like, yeah, I will see how it plays out, I guess.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: But I remember seeing that because I'm just I'm not like I don't know, I'm not personally familiar with it.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: It's more just like what you read about.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: right, it's like it's like the trickster and I.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: It's funny because it's it's sad, but, like both of my kids are Gemini risings too and I just see that as such, like a trickster, playful energy, but it's all in the same axis, right?
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: So I mean like they obviously like mirror each other in some way.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but well, my also, my youngest, is like five planets in such probably I don't even know what else is there so much, yeah, yeah.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so, so, yeah.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: So then the sun and then obviously the moon, with the new moon, will both be in this gate 26,.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: This like this manipulation of memory and like kind of picking and choosing, like cherry picking what we're telling people in order to like convince them to like come to our side or sell or like whatever it is right.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: So just like having that energy collectively.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: Obviously it can be good and bad.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Like I said, I think people with it can feel like icky about it, but then also there's a beautiful part of it.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: You can do that without negatively manipulating somebody, right.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: You can do it to bring the joys and the happiness, like whatever it is, like good intention to somebody to have them.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: You know whether it's you're trying to get them to do or like whatever right.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: So I think there's dual sides of that.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Like we think of car salesmen and we're like, eh, right, but then you have other people who are selling, I don't know, like something, health or whatever, right, that's coming from a good place, with good intention.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: So you have both sides of it.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Absolutely yeah, and well, like Sagittarius energy, like the low road is that preachiness right?
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Where it's like trying to like, it's not, it's almost not even trying to convince, it's just like I am right.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like honest and blunt right.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Yes, and.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: I am all knowing and like this is the way right, like it's like that low road of like you know, like kind of like low road like religious masters of like this is the way it is right.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: But high road is being able to teach and share and experience together, and so it's, and that's where it's like that artfulness of that gate right.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's beautiful and then okay.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: So then, what can we expect with this new moon?
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: It's going to be a square Neptune, so a little bit of delusion and then realizing like how much this is on my chart now.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Well, you've got 12, 13, 14, for two weeks about to prep for it yeah.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah Well, so okay.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: So yeah, new moons, new beginnings, right.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: And it's always weird, like you're in astrology lands like December, in non astrology land, in like the Western world, december is the last month of the year, so it's kind of like this last new moon of the year, but astrologically it's not at all right.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: We know this that it's not until a re season, and so I do think, in general, with like all of the directness happening, like the couple planets moving direct and this new moon happening there is, there really is a sense of like new beginnings.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Neptune square it has just station direct prior to this.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: So I do think, while that square can, especially in these mutable energies, can be feel unclear, like we don't know what our new beginning is like, like, okay, I want to start something over, but like what is that?
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: And I think that might be something that comes up where we don't feel fully clear on it, and so kind of like you're, you know, sit with your body, sit with the emotions is going to be part of it.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: I would say, in general, there's going to need to be like a lot of grounding.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: I think, right, yeah, venus in the chart also, venus, it's not exactly.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Venus is still opposite Jupiter as well, and then I think, yeah, pluto is also like loosely square the nodes.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: There was something else I was looking at, though Okay, that there's the mercury.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: So mercury, I was looking for the communication piece, but Mercury is trying Jupiter as well in this chart, and so there's this.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: There's just this mental theme, somehow like this.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's because I'm feeling it personally, but there's this theme of communication, like Sajj, gemini, that whole access, while the new moon is double-sad moon and sun and Sajj, that whole access is about communication, and with Mercury trying Jupiter, I do think that there is going to be something that we need to communicate, I think, with the whole Venus, jupiter, scorpio, taurus, access about our values and self-worth.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: I think some of that communication is going to need to be direct and blunt and honest, and a lot of people not maybe exactly yet, but are going to start to be around family are going to have to start speaking up for themselves, around their beliefs, such as all about beliefs, about beliefs that maybe are different, and maybe it's stuff you've been sitting on for three years at this point that you just haven't been able to communicate.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: This tension, I think, is going to if you're not conscious about how you want to communicate, then that's where Sagittarius is going to be, like blurted out right, because we also have Mars and Sagittarius which is where I was like conjunct, but it's going to just be like BAM and it might not come out the way you want.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: And it's not to say you have to sugarcoat things, because I think that's silly too in a way and it's not helpful.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: But you want it to come out in a way that's effective and it's going to be heard.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: But I think it's just a lot about communicating your beliefs and I think a lot of us, throughout the last couple of years with the transits, have come to terms with what's ours like.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: What are my values?
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: And that's a big part of what the Eclipses have been too Like.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: What are my values and what was I conditioned or what was I told or what was I taught?
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: And I think like tacking on to the Gate 26, that like manipulating memory and stuff we with emotions.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: It's so easy to manipulate memory depending on where in your emotional state you are.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: So if you have like heightened emotions and you're, you know, tapping in there and just like manipulating it, especially you're talking about just like you know, around holidays and setting boundaries and like all these things that like have built, been building, you know, because I think what Romdoss, you know, if you think your heel's been a weekend with your family, right, and it's so true, we do have a lot that comes up around family and emotions, and so we might be in these heightened emotional states and like manipulating things based on that lens that you're viewing from in that moment, and so like the full moon will be in the Gate of Stillness, so that's sort of in contrast to this right.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: But I think it's just like finding that space to like come back to yourself and like I was talking to somebody last night who was just feeling a little chaotic about a situation and I was like, just fine, like just set a timer for five minutes, right, and just like ask the question like how you should proceed, what you should do, and just like find that clarity within those five minutes, even if it's for 30 seconds, that you come on it like at least you'll be able to come back to yourself and like have that neutral space that you know where to move from there, so that you can sort of come back and tap into it when you're feeling activated or whatever.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Then you can be like okay, well, I know, like in my higher self, right, like in my piece, like this is what I, how I want to do it, and then you have something to like go back to, right, like in yourself, and so just like all the transits like as an everyday thing, I think that should be a thing.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: But you know, we again our emotional states, really impact the way that we navigate and operate and do things right.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: But I think that's just helpful.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: And like so, speaking of Mars and Sag, like the new moon is coming off of the moon conjunct Mars, so we're probably going to be coming off of a turbulent, emotional time potentially Fun.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, and so then.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: So that's the 12th is the new moon, and then on the 13th we have Mercury going retrograde.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Yep, yep.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: So even on the new moon, it will be in the shadow period, which is, I think again, why there's going to be this potential lack of clarity.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: With that squared in Neptune.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Mercury retrograde again happens about three times a year, so this will be the final one and it actually it stations direct like right on the new year, on January 1.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: So we finish the year with three weeks of Mercury retrograde, and with Mercury retrograde it's always a time to.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: You know, I like don't take action.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, people are like, can I not do this, this and this?
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Like obviously you have to, like live your life and make decisions, but just take that extra minute to think about it.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: And if it's a decision that start, like started before Mercury retrograde, I actually typically think it's okay to make the decision during.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: But if it's something that like came up during Mercury retrograde and you're deciding during Mercury retrograde, maybe like let that linger for a little bit longer if possible, but again, you have to live your life.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Like we make 12,000 decisions a day, probably so, but yeah, during, I think it does it.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: I don't even does it go back into Sagittarius, yeah it goes back into that.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Right, okay, and so we.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: So we have.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: I wanted to say something about this.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Like, mercury retrograde multiple times a year and it's typically in one element, and so it's like switching from 2023, where it's in earth signs, which it's not like super comfortable, right.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: So Mercury is more of like an air energy, generally speaking.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: I know it rules Virgo, but I think of it as more of an air energy and it's going to be in 2024, moving into fire retrogrades, basically.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: So we're in 2023, we've been really asked to slow down in the area of our chart that the earth elements are in Capricorn, virgo and Taurus, and be really practical and so, in places that we might have been more decisive previously or felt more practical in making our decisions, mercury has had a slowdown in that and like, take that extra, almost extra slowness, and this is that final piece of that before it moves into 2024, which is full fire retrogrades, basically.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: But moving back into Sag, which I mean I guess maybe we'll talk about when we get to December 23, but moving back into Sag during that retrograde, it won't go all the way back to the new moon, but it's something just to be aware of as we begin, like 2024, that it may revisit themes of that new moon as well.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Like that'll, it'll go all the like, not all the way back, but sort of in that area of the chart.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: That's why I just love journaling, because I can you know when like where there's some trans as I can look back.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: I can't remember there was one.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: It was something, something with Jupiter and I.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: It was like six months prior and I looked at it and I was like whoa, literally the same thing is happening right now, right, yeah, little things like that where I'm like you can't like deny this stuff.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: I mean you can, but yeah, and like the big stuff you can kind of remember, like look back at a photo or whatever, like I do that all the time.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: I'm like what was happening and I look back at my camera roll on that day or whatever, like what was going on.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: But journaling it's the actual like emotions that you can look back on it.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: It's so impossible to remember that otherwise yeah.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: I try and do every single night.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: This is why I'm going to start looking at like the trans, as we were talking about, like Venus and Uranus, and stuff like that.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: But I'll do like, at night I just do like a how, like an almost like a review of the day, but I'll do like what sign the moon is in, like where I am in my cycle, like these things, so that it just helps me like, especially as an emotional being, like just tracking that I mean like, okay, this is why I'm feeling like this, or this is this is what happened the last time this happened, you know.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: So then it's just like it allows me to not get so wrapped up in the emotion.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: It like, brings some peace to it where it's like okay this just is.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's going to happen again next month.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: So it's just like one of those things to you, or it's like I've been on my period for how many like 20 something years and every month that I get emotional, I'm like, oh yeah, I forgot.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Why do I not know that I am a woman, yet Right, yeah.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Why does this surprise me every single month?
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: But I mean just emotions, just they hate you sometimes too.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: I know I want to be rational about it and it's just not.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I know, and it's like I know and it's like I do so much work around that and it's still just like.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: It still whips me sometimes and I'm just like in that, like, oh my God right, and so I think that's why it was so much of my work and practice is that?
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Because it's just, it's crazy intense and it definitely can't be.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: I'm sometimes like definitely jealous of people that are like emotionally under, like open, where they don't, they're just like very and not to say that they don't feel, because I know that they do right.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: And so that's why Capricorn moons and just like how do you do it Right?
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Like it's just that compartmentalization of it, you know, and it's like this is the time to feel, this isn't the time to feel, or if I'm like super emotional, I don't know, it's just it blows my mind.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: But that's why we have people like that, to balance everyone out, you know, and I think that's why I keep calling in these Capricorn moons, because someone I'm talking to as a reflector with a Capricorn moon and I'm like what is happening?
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: But what?
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Well, there's when you layer, like the human design and astrology, I, I, the second, my son was born, the one that's turning one.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: I messaged you and I was like what the fuck he's?
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: I have two, like they're both Pisces moons, and one is emotionally defined and one of them's not.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Like one of them's emotional authority, like so defined, so many dates.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: The other one is completely open, both Pisces moons, so like both sensitive and astrology, but that processing of it is so different.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Do you notice it?
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Well, the youngest one, with the open yeah.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's only one, and what I?
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: so gosh, I don't I but you're defined as your husband defined.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: No, okay.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: I am.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Is it completely?
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: open or he's just undefined.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: He, I want to.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: I feel like he has a gate.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so he and my youngest are both projectors, yeah, and then let me see, I know, I know my husband really needs to like learn that he's projector though.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, garrett's Okay.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, no, that's what it is.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Garrett has gate 36 is the only one he has and I'm like, does that have to be the one you have?
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Sorry, I love all gates.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, chris, that's yeah, he, he has gate 30, which is how I'm super intense, but it's how I'm, that's, my channel is 3041.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, so I do think, yeah, and he has 26 too.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: I, they all have that 26 gate which I'm completely open there.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I do notice with my two and, like you know, there's so many things.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: It's like birth order, even just first born, first, second born, they literally they have different moms, like I'm their mom, but like, yeah, I was such a different person with Wyatt than I am now in so many ways.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: So I think about that often.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: But then I'm also like no nature versus nurture, like there's so much of this nature component to it too.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: But Wyatt is what I would like I don't know psychologists would call like highly sensitive, right, like he you know, I actually literally just posted like he can't have his socks on wrong or at all, like he is like very emotionally defined right.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: He's emotionally defined His.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Mars is also in Taurus in the 12th, so he's like sensory, like, so, sensory, everything in general.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: What's his cognition, do you know?
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, because it's the same as mine.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: I'm like what's okay?
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I love where astrology and human design meet right, because it's like there's so many nuances and you can have, like you said, you can have two people with you know, moon and Pisces, which is super sensitive, super emotional, super intuitive, psychic right and then they have a defined or undefined solar plexus and it I feel like it just like paints the way that they're then experiencing it.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: So like maybe if you have an undefined solar plexus in a Pisces moon, you're not necessarily internalizing your emotions, you're not sitting there like it's, like you're more like intuitive and psychic that sort of aspect of it.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: That's what I've noticed Like.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: So the most black and white way I can explain it is why it it's all him Like, it's like and he just gets so, like, so wrapped up in his thing, right, and me like he's also a querid.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: Like he, all of his emotions are emotional but they're his and I do think he, you know he picks up like any kid, what on, like my stresses or things like that.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: And but Garrett, like he gets his like sadness, that emotion is when Wyatt's crying.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: He does not cry like that's where his sense on his own, yeah, I don't know how to like and I thought I'm like it's always when Wyatt's sad.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: So it's more of that and he has, like this huge seventh house tell him.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: So I'm already like, oh my gosh, like you can put yourself first, you don't need to worry about it.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: But like I do notice it that way, where Garrett yeah, his emotions are always someone else's, like literally he bit Wyatt today and he's teething.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: And Wyatt was like what first?
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Like blacked out, I think, because he was like and he started crying because he was hurt, and then why?
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: And Garrett was like looking at him laughing, and then he started crying, like Garrett was not hurt at all and he started crying.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: And he started crying and he started crying and then he started laughing and then he started crying Like Garrett was not hurt at all.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he bit Wyatt and then just started crying and that's that happens.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: Well, garrett doesn't bite him all the time, but he is very sensitive to that, and that's how I definitely see the difference.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: You know it's interesting.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: So my son is undefined emotionally.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: He is a Gemini moon but he's a Scorpio rising with Mars on his ascendant.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: So he's highly emotional, right.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: And he's a cancer son, so he's got a lot of water and he and all of his he has like a stellium in the eighth house in cancer.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: So he's just like the whole Scorpio thing, right.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: So with his emotions I noticed he gets, he's very reactive to the way I experience him.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: It's like it's kind of the same thing.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: Like he'll get upset when I get upset and I tell him like you don't have to take this on as your own, like you didn't do anything wrong.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: The action that you took maybe hurt me or like whatever, right, but it's not like you, because I understand, like the depth of like who he is at like a soul level and I can feel it.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: And if you're like in his energy, you can sense it.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: But like I don't think he sits there like wallowing as an emotion because he's got a Gemini moon too, right, he more intellectualized it, he wants to talk about it, right, where he'll like pull a fit and go to his room and he'll come out and be like he'll tell me Like I'm just so mad at you, I just felt really angry about this.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Or like.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: He just always wants to talk about it and this child never stops, never Like.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: I was trying to read a book and he's like mom.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: He asked me like 15 questions and I was like I'm reading Can we revisit this?
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: But like but I think that's that difference right, where he's not like creating the emotions within him.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: It's more reactive to the experiences that he's having.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: Yes, that makes sense People, so that's all I always have to check myself and my daughter, I mean, she's 13 and she's emotionally defined too, and so when he's just like wakes up in a bad mood, I'm like all right, where are we at in our wave, you know like?
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: this morning I woke up and I was like ready for the day and he like popped out of his room and he slept in too late, which usually when he sleeps in too late he gets he's cranky.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: But he just woke up this morning he was all happy.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: He's like where are my clothes?
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: Let's get breakfast.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: And I was like okay, check, we're all good.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: Amazing.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, great start to the day, right, but I just think that it's just like interesting, that dynamic, okay.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: So then I don't even know where we were.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: No, I know.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Well, sun enters Capricorn.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: We kind of talked about mercury, retrograde enterstage and then foam and a cancer.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: So I feel like I mean the sun enters Capricorn.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's big.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: That is what I don't even.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: What day do I have that that's?
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: the 21st December 21st.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah, and then it'll be.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: It'll be in that gate 10 that we were talking about in the beginning, right?
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: Venus, or no?
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Sorry, mercury, I think, starts in gate 10.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: So it'll be in gate 10.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Mercury will be in gate 10.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: So that's going to be Kazimi on that day.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, and then that's the same day that Venus is opposite your honest that we were talking about.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: That's the same day, okay, okay, yeah, you got all your aspects out today.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: I did.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: I told you, I wrote it all out, I got organized, so yeah, so that's that day.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: And then I mean, I don't know, what can we expect with a sun, mercury Kazimi, when Mercury is in retrograde?
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Is there any difference between that and just like a regular one?
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: I was born under one Like I don't know.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: I mean yes, of course, but also it's not.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: It's another one of those.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: It's not like wildly rare, but the sun and Mercury conjunct for Kazimi quite often, because Mercury's are always quite close to the sun, that conjunction, regardless of the sign, is always a time that we're generally like more mentally, you know, more isolated, like, and we want to communicate more with Mercury.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: In retrograde.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: It's going to be that like lack of clarity around exactly what we're communicating.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: So it's more just being aware of, and I think a big theme of a lot of what you've said in this session is like just taking that extra step back, like that slow down, like pause, like what am I actually feeling?
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: What do I actually need to communicate?
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: So there's just a little bit less clarity around that Sometimes.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: Like big picture, when we look at retrogrades as well, like it is a revisit, and so I don't have this written down, but it would be one of those things like okay, when was the last time the sun and Mercury had a conjunction in Capricorn?
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: Like what was going on then?
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: It wouldn't have been too too long ago and like literally it happens every year.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: So kind of looking at those themes, which probably is often around Christmas time.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: It's often around the holidays, so revisiting kind of past energies around that time.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, then the 23rd Mercury goes back into SAGE, because they're, they're the casemies at zero degrees, capricorn.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: So then.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: So then, the 23rd, it goes back into SAGE, which we have experienced, but it's in retrograde.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: And then let's see the 25th, which is Christmas.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: We have Venus in Gate 11, which is in the Agena, yeah, and it's like the Gate of Ideas.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: And then it's also going to be Trine Neptune that day as well.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: But, I feel like.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Venus, trine, neptune, right?
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: It's just a little bit like that rose color, like color glasses, right?
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, venus is going to be.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: It's still in Scorpio, I believe.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, it moves out.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, venus goes into SAGE on the 29th, but it'll still be in Scorpio.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: So a little bit, a little bit intense, yeah, yeah.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: It can be really beautiful.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: Right, it can.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: It is rose color glasses, so just be like aware of what you are and aren't seeing.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: But with the Trine it can bring some.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: It's not necessarily like clarity, but it might feel like quite romantic, it might feel nice Like if you there's a, there's like a beauty to that.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which I feel like what we were talking about earlier, with like holidays and the family might actually be sort of more peaceful energy for.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: Christmas Day when we are with our family.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: We may not be seeing it clearly, but it's sort of like drinking in the moment.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: It's going to say it's going to feel like that, Like yeah, this is all fine, and then you're going to wake up and be like no, it's like I forgot yeah, that's how I see it which might bring a little bit more peace during the day.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: But you know it, you know we all escape in some way.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: So I mean, you know what better day to have it than Christmas Day with our family?
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: anyway, I agree, no I or even if you're alone, you might not feel you know, as I don't know, but that's interesting.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: And then on the 26th we have our full moon and cancer again, which is going to be in gate 52, which is that gate of stillness and that's in the root center, right?
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: So it's like it's like taking the pause before you you do the thing right.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: It's the root center, is all about pressure, adrenaline.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: And then gate nine is the opposite.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: So gate nine is the gate of details and it's about, it's like about looking at like your feet rather than like the big mountain, because I think when we look at the all, when we look at a big picture, we can get really overwhelmed and just throw our hands up and be like, nope, can't even do it right.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: But it's that idea of like looking one step at a time instead of the whole picture, and that gate 52 allows us to like have that stillness to get there, and then we'll feel the pressure of the root, to like take action and like do the thing right.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: But it is like that pause, which I think is is again like we talked about, it's it's needed to have that pause, and then the full moon is going to be what Sex tile Jupiter, trine, saturn, and then Kyren goes direct that day, and then we have the sun.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: Venus and Mars are all changing gates.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay that's so.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of energy on that full moon A lot.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and full moons are a time of culmination, release, right, like so there, and there's just this era of change.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: It's also approaching, you know the new year and how we celebrate it, so there is it's like kind of this wrapping up right, but you, you mentioned the sort of I see part of it like so cancer, capricorn cancer is kind of more of that like home family Capricorn's, more of that like big picture goals, right, and I think part of this is almost reminding us to be like take care of what's right in front of you.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: And if that is a family, like in you know, like in our case, it's like take care of your children, take care of your, your home, and that's actually what's going to help you succeed in the bigger goals is kind of how I see some of that.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: And I think, with it trying Saturn too, there's this like take sun in Capricorn, but like take responsibility.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: There's like this responsibility aspect of like just take care of your home, like what's around you, your people.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: And then, with Kyron going direct, can we expect anything from that?
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Always like I'm happy about it.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so Kyron is really slow moving, like really so it's just been hovering in these like how many years?
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: Very few degrees.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: So okay, I don't know how to explain this properly Kyron stays like okay, almost, I guess, sort of like Pluto.
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: It stays in some signs like longer than others because of the way the retrograde happens.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: So Aries, it stays in the longest, like Aries and Pisces, and just yeah, the way the retrogrades have happened recently, it's just been like hovering between like really like 14 and 16 degrees, I think, and so Kyron wounded warrior, so I think, to Wednesday.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: I don't want to like get too far ahead of myself, but eventually the North Node is going to form a conjunction to Kyron and so this whole area of our chart for since what I think, 2018 is when Kyron moved into Aries, like we've been healing, so it's not new.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: But this retrograde was, like you know, again a revisit kind of around that area of our life.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: Where do we really need to be putting ourselves first and, with it going direct, before that conjunction happens, I do think that that's helpful because we can take more action around the healing we need to do, and that North Node will just like catapult us hopefully into healing as opposed to into more wounding right, which it can happen that way too, I think, collectively, like we may see some of that because collectively we're not in a place of, I don't think, healing at this point, but individually, if we've been really focusing on ourselves, putting ourselves first, real Aries energy and like letting go of some of those Libra themes, that this retrograde will kind of be the beginning of sort of.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: I sort of feel like this full moon is part of that too, but it's kind of this like on the other side, feeling like on the other side of that emotional upheaval that maybe has been going on for several months.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, what else do we have?
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: Venus that enters, venus goes into SAGE, yes, jupiter goes direct.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, venus and SAGE just feels fun.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Love to see it, I know, but Geert has that.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, I love that.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Venus and SAGE, like I mean not bias or anything but SAGE is fun energy in general.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: Right, it has that low road which we talked about on the for the new moon, but, yeah, Venus and SAGE, like we may feel like, especially like on the 29th, a lot of us like in between that Christmas and New York time period.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: I feel like I don't even know what I do anymore because I have kids.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: But like I used to just be like I don't know, chilling, like you might want to like, book a plane ticket, yeah.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: You know, it's really that like putting money towards adventure.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: You might really yeah, you might want to just splurge on something and go do something new, to go do something adventurous with that Venus and SAGE energy.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: It's also going to be sex talk Pluto the same day.
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when it enters, yeah, Pluto, okay, so Pluto will be right at.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: It'll still be in Capricorn, right, yeah, I think so?
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think it.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, so the exact sex style will be the Scorpio 29 degrees, probably, right?
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: Yes, okay, sorry, I'm just trying to make that make sense in my head.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: I was like Sajj isn't tried Capricorn or sex style Capricorn.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: So yeah, it'll still be.
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: The exact sex style would be 29 degrees Scorpio and then move into Sajj, which will still be loosely sex styling, which I think with that it's more of that culmination of what we've experienced with Venus and Scorpio.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: It's kind of that final transformation of that more emotional depth piece and then we can go have fun, I guess.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: It's also going to be the same time, so it's not direct and I'm sure we've covered it with, but it's going to be sex style Pluto, square Saturn and trine Neptune.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: So I feel like that's a lot for Venus.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: That is a lot for Venus Square, saturn.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: It's not like.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: Direct.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: So the trine to Neptune will happen and like exact in water signs.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: On Christmas?
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: Is the trine to Neptune On Christmas Right, yeah, and then Saturn would.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: Square will be as it moves.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: The square to Saturn will be as it moves into Saturn, or that.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: So that's the order.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: Thank you, now I got it in my head.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: Trine to Neptune will happen, sex style to Pluto will happen, and then enter Saturn and then square to Saturn.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it'll just be like boom, boom, boom, which, okay, so no, yes, it will be boom, boom, boom.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: But the way I see this is actually kind of how we were talking about it with Christmas.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: When you apply that to something around your family, it's that potentially escapism rose-colored classes, oh, family feels nice, or whoever I'm around kind of feels nice.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: But then quickly kind of realizing okay, I've actually done a lot of work on myself, right, and it's also coming off of that new moon a couple of weeks earlier, where it might have been a bit chaotic but it's like I really do know my worth now and Pluto's just going to remind us of that.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: It might be like a harsh reminder or it might be like a no, a reminder like you've actually really healed here.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: So let's move forward and transform that.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: And then Saturn, with that square, it's going to force that taking responsibility.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: We may go back into old habits of not having boundaries with our mom or drinking or whatever those habits are, but Saturn, that Saturn square, will be that harsh reality check If you're not actually moving forward on that kind of healing and boundary journey.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and with Venus being morals and values, right.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: Being clear on what we value and how we want to set those boundaries can be really supportive.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: And it's like I feel like with that new moon we go in kind of like feeling clear and then it just gets confused and we get wrapped up into old patterns very easily, and then that Pluto and Saturn situation is just like nope, you come on, you've done this yeah.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: When I spent, I think, especially around the holidays.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: There's so much childhood, there's just so many deep ties, emotional and otherwise, that are connected with the holidays, right, and so I think it's just like bringing us back to all of that and like, with all these trends that are happening again, I like, I just I think, just like an everyday life, finding that stillness and finding that clarity within yourself.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: But I think it's like super important now to just like have that space that you can figure out what you're feeling and like why, and just like move from there.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's even.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: It's so easy when you're home, like back with wherever you grow up or with people old like, even if I'm with, like high school friends, I revert back to like the weirdest space, right, and you go.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: Whenever I stay with my parents at their house, like the house I grew up in, like the silliest things, like I don't know, I start leaving cups around again, more so than I would at my own home, like the silliest habits and like think about how that manifests on an unconscious, like emotional level.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and no, it's true, like you talk about leaving cups, my kids do that at my parents house all the time.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: They do it here too.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: But like there'll be like little things, like you said, my mom will be like, oh, rachelle did this again and I'm like whoa, but wait, hold on, I don't do that in my real life.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: I know they got me this like sticker for my car and it says hot mess express.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: Because I was like like I appreciate, like the like they were just trying to be funny, you know, but like part of me was just like, no, I'm trying to move away from all of that, right, but like when I'm in their energy, like you just revert back to this, like completely different, like version of self and it's it's what you played out in that dynamic, right, and it's like trying to pull away from that spend at a time when we're like constantly within our family and like replaying those dynamics.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: It really takes a lot of effort and work and I think, yeah, it'll just with that, just like what you said, like the Pluto and the Saturn and the Neptune, like it's going to, you know, delusion and then just bringing up all the stuff and then setting boundaries around it.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: So I know that's like at the end of the month, but it's just, I think the whole month is going to be reflective a little bit of just that energy.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, yeah, absolutely.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: All right, I got to go, I know.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: But this was, this was fun, I'm glad to.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: I know I could always talk to you forever, so, but all right, well, thank you so much.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: Well, we will talk next month and hopefully, I mean, if you're up for it, maybe we can do like a brief like 2024.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: So if you have your own forecast and if anybody's listening and wants to go grab it, you can go to your Instagram or your website and get it there.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: But yes, we can also do a quick one on here.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, sounds good, all right, all right, bye.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I had to look over there with the camera and let's see if they get a copy of that.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: They're getting so easy, like getting the products back for their money as they go and find out Fire, fire.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: You find that easy, I guess.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: I think, if this were a Greeksini, to find out the rules of what to do.