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Sharri | 12 September · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why On Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry Welcome to the show. Tonight, a labor
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Speaker 2: insider has spoken out predicting Albineasi could be on track
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Speaker 2: to lose the next election. I'll take you through this
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Speaker 2: story in a moment. A major broken promise from the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister as his long awaited laws to crack down
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Speaker 2: on hate speech do nothing of the sort, all the while,
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Speaker 2: millions of dollars are up for grabs for a group
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Speaker 2: linked to hate preachers. Julian Lisa would join me to
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Speaker 2: discuss cause tonight for Angus Campbell to hand back his
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Speaker 2: medal amid accusations, the top brass are escaping accountability?
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Speaker 3: Should you wear a medal that says you had distinguished
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Speaker 3: command and leadership even if things happened that you didn't
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Speaker 3: know about?
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Speaker 2: And the nine News boss steps down ahead of an
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Speaker 2: explosive report into the alleged cover up of sexual harassment
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Speaker 2: at the company. Also tonight, we'll look at the conspiracy
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Speaker 2: circling Kamala Harris after the big presidential debate. We'll also
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Speaker 2: examine the other debate fallout with New York Post columnists
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Speaker 2: a little later on, but first tonight, not only is
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Speaker 2: the Albanese government failing to crack down on hate speech.
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Speaker 2: It's watering down laws it promised would tackle this very issue,
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Speaker 2: and worse, it's giving taxpayer funds to the groups linked
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Speaker 2: to hate preachers. This is almost too shocking to be true.
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Speaker 2: The Albanzi government has invited a group called United Muslims
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Speaker 2: Australia to apply for a portion of two point four
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Speaker 2: million dollars in grant funding. The Teley reports that the
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Speaker 2: group was founded by Sheikh shady Asuliman, who's previously called
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Speaker 2: for Allah to destroy the enemies of Islam. But more worryingly,
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Speaker 2: another speaker promoted by this group he's on their website,
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Speaker 2: famously celebrated the October seven terror attacks. Shaiky Brahum Dedoune
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Speaker 2: said he was elated the very day after Hamas launched
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Speaker 2: its barbaric and deadly assault on Israel.
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Speaker 4: Smiling and unhappy.
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Speaker 5: I'm it's a day of courage.
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Speaker 2: It's actually how it's actually difficult to comprehend how bad
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Speaker 2: this is from the Albanezy government. Not only are they
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Speaker 2: failing to crack down on hate preachers, but the organizations
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Speaker 2: linked to them, the organizations that promote the hate preachers,
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Speaker 2: that feature them on their website are being invited to
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Speaker 2: apply for millions of dollars in taxpayer funding, your hard
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Speaker 2: earned taxpayer dollars. And this is how the joke of
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Speaker 2: a press release by this Minister for Citizenship and Multicultural Affairs,
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Speaker 2: Julian Hill begins, and I quote the Albitezy government is
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Speaker 2: continuing to focus on social cohesion here in Australia with
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Speaker 2: funding granted to support young Muslim and Palestinian Australians and
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Speaker 2: their family, friends and community impacted by the conflict and
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Speaker 2: humanitarian crisis in Gaza. And Julian Hill in the press
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Speaker 2: really said that the two point four million dollars was
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Speaker 2: for and I quote again tackling division, prejudice and hate.
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Speaker 2: That is some logic giving millions of dollars to fight
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Speaker 2: hate to the organizations that promote the hate preachers. Is
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Speaker 2: that any wonder protesters feel so emboldened to spread their
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Speaker 2: hate and violence. We saw more aggression on the streets
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Speaker 2: of Melbourne again today. There were protests have a look.
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Speaker 6: And all of the war mangling and the corporations and
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Speaker 6: green institutionalized hatred and ignorance get out of our city.
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Speaker 2: Not as violent as yesterday, but still disgraceful. Opposition leader
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Speaker 2: Peter Dutton spoke about his disgust on air with Ray
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Speaker 2: Hadley this morning, saying the protesters would have expected that
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Speaker 2: they weren't going to be locked up or punished.
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Speaker 7: They would have had a fair expectation going into yesterday
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Speaker 7: that they weren't going to be locked up because the
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Speaker 7: Center Ellen government in Victoria and the Men's government in
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Speaker 7: New South Wales had allowed them to conduct themselves with
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Speaker 7: these chants and waving the flags and the hatred that
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Speaker 7: they've expressed for months now. So it's great to see
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Speaker 7: to some of them were locked up. I'm sorry that
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Speaker 7: some of the police were injured, and also some of
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Speaker 7: the people who are going about their lawful businesses you
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Speaker 7: point out who were smeared with paint or assaulted. Otherwise
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Speaker 7: it's a disgrace and.
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Speaker 2: He's right the violence yesterday was shameful. Liquid acid thrown
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Speaker 2: at police, reportedly vomit in balloons, twenty seven police officers
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Speaker 2: needing medical treatment. Yet Green Senator David Shubridge complained today
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Speaker 2: on social media that police used rubber bullets.
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Speaker 8: Their future has been sold out and mortgaged to these
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Speaker 8: multinational weapons companies by the major parties, and already there
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Speaker 8: have been reports that riot police shot at protesters with
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Speaker 8: rubber bullets down in Melbourne, and there's a long list
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Speaker 8: a conger line of Labor and Coalition members who then
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Speaker 8: use those connections to get a cushy job when they
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Speaker 8: leave Parliament. It's obscene and no wonder people are on
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Speaker 8: the streets protesting.
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Speaker 2: This is the Greens and the Prime Minister took aim
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Speaker 2: at them in Parliament today for backing the protest.
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Speaker 9: Unlike the Green's political party, who are members of Parliament
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Speaker 9: who are tend demonstrations that are violent, that throw things
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Speaker 9: against police, that engage in disruption.
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Speaker 1: Because the big.
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Speaker 10: Difference between a party of government and a party of
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Speaker 10: protests is that we are responsible, that we work through
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Speaker 10: issues constructively across this chamber in order to make a
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Speaker 10: positive difference.
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Speaker 2: And we've heard there a lot lately the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: attacking the Greens for excusing lawlessness and violence. But as
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Speaker 2: Peter Dutton said today, if he's so concerned about the Greens,
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Speaker 2: then don't do deals with them.
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Speaker 7: If the Prime Minister is a man of principle and
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Speaker 7: somebody who stands by his word, then he wouldn't accept
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Speaker 7: and he wouldn't preference the Greens, but he will because
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Speaker 7: it'll be to their political advantage. Anthony Albanzi's I just
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Speaker 7: think without doubt now that the weakest prime minister that
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Speaker 7: we've seen in our.
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Speaker 2: Lifetime, and this is OLDTC from Albernesi, but no action.
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Speaker 2: He talks tough against the Greens, but he will do
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Speaker 2: a deal with them to farm government after the next
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Speaker 2: selection if that's what he needs, just like he's done
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Speaker 2: countless deals with the Greens that the Business Council wanes
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Speaker 2: is jeopardizing our economy well. In response to the anti
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Speaker 2: Semitism crisis, the Prime Minister has repeatedly promised to introduce
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Speaker 2: tough laws, and he first made this promise in February.
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Speaker 11: I've asked as well the Attorney General to develop proposals
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Speaker 11: to strengthen laws against hate speech, which we will be doing.
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Speaker 11: This is not the Australia that we want to see.
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Speaker 12: We've already been working on the hate speech the provisions.
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Speaker 12: It is our intention to bring them forward strengthen current
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Speaker 12: laws that deal with hate.
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Speaker 2: Speech total rubbish because we learned today that they've just
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Speaker 2: watered them down. I mean, we shouldn't be surprised about
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Speaker 2: this because the Prime Minister is a continual disappointment. But
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Speaker 2: this was meant to be a hate crimes bill. Yet
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Speaker 2: even The Herald reports that Labor has scrubbed criminal penalties
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Speaker 2: for seriously vilifying minority groups, and The Herald reports that
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Speaker 2: sources familiar with Labour's promised hate speech bill said it
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Speaker 2: said it had been significantly weakened in the final stages
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Speaker 2: of drafting and was now starkily different from Albanese's original pledge,
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Speaker 2: which he made earlier this year following months of concern
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Speaker 2: about inflamed anti semitism. Walking away from that creates another
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Speaker 2: political dispute for Albanezi, who will be forced to clarify
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Speaker 2: how he plans to get tougher on hate speech if
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Speaker 2: the bill does not allay community concerns, particularly around anti Semitism.
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Speaker 2: Gone from the legislation reportedly are the words hate speech.
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Speaker 2: That's what these laws were designed to tackle. This is
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Speaker 2: just yet another broken promise from a weak government that's
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Speaker 2: comprehensively failed to tackle violence and racism erupting on our streets,
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Speaker 2: all for the sake of political expediency. There's a lot
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Speaker 2: more to come on the show. Tonight, we'll get into
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Speaker 2: the calls for Angus Campbell to hand in his medal
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Speaker 2: in a moment, also accusations that the top brass are
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Speaker 2: escaping accountability, with only juniors reportedly stripped of their medals.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to have the Defense Association's Neil James joined
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Speaker 2: me on the program. But now let's bring tonight's panel
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Speaker 2: National Senator Matt Canavan and commentator Jason Morrison. Welcome to
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Speaker 2: you both. Matt, I want to start with what I
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Speaker 2: was just speaking about there in my editorial. I mean,
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Speaker 2: you can't make this up watering down race hate laws
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Speaker 2: at the same time as giving millions of dollars in
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Speaker 2: funding to an organization that promotes the hate preachers. What
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Speaker 2: is happening to this government?
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Speaker 13: Well, they just don't have their priorities in the right place, Shari.
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Speaker 13: I mean that we already have laws against filification. I'm
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Speaker 13: not sure why the government doesn't do more to prosecute
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Speaker 13: some of the speeches we've seen from in sermons around
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Speaker 13: Western Sydney. Obviously with the instant of the Opera House.
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Speaker 13: I'd just like to see our laws in force that
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Speaker 13: we've got. I mean, I want to look at any
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Speaker 13: kind of new speech laws that come forward, hate or otherwise.
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Speaker 13: I'm very concerned about the misinformation laws coming through. I
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Speaker 13: think the general principle should be to allow free speech
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Speaker 13: in our country and not have government regulate what we say. Obviously,
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Speaker 13: where people step over that in terms of inciting others
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Speaker 13: to violence or vilifying other races, there it was appropriate
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Speaker 13: laws against that. But I come back to the fact
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Speaker 13: I just don't see the state of federal governments enforcing
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Speaker 13: the laws that already on our books. And I don't
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Speaker 13: like the knee jerk reaction though, let's just create more
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Speaker 13: laws when we're not doing that, we're not even trying
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Speaker 13: to enforce the ones we've already got.
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Speaker 2: Well, I agree with you. The current laws aren't being enforced.
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Speaker 2: They're not people aren't the in law enforcement aren't even
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Speaker 2: trying to use them. Have a go at using them.
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Speaker 2: If there are hurdles, then you know they can tinker
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Speaker 2: with the legislation. But the issue is, this is why
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Speaker 2: Albinisi and Mark Drefers said that they were going to
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Speaker 2: introduce new race hate speech laws, is because police were
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Speaker 2: saying to them, we don't have strong enough laws. We
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Speaker 2: don't have strong enough laws to prosecute here. So the
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Speaker 2: government went, fine, we'll go back to the table. They
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Speaker 2: promise to introduce use them. And now they've just looks
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Speaker 2: like they've given up. You know, it's great that there
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Speaker 2: is docs and laws that they've introduced today, but they've
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Speaker 2: given up on this, and Jason, you'd have to think
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Speaker 2: again that it's to appease the Muslim communities in the
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Speaker 2: seats they're trying to hold onto.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, they don't have strong enough will.
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Speaker 15: And the reason they don't have strong enough will is
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Speaker 15: because politically the police are not backed to have strong
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Speaker 15: enough will because politically you look around.
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Speaker 14: I mean I'm in New South Wales.
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Speaker 15: I'm going around seeing local council posters up everywhere and
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Speaker 15: it is quite staggering how many of the candidates running
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Speaker 15: in seats in western and south western Sydney are of
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Speaker 15: Middle Eastern background. Now there's nothing wrong with that, but
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Speaker 15: you know, Labour's got a problem there because it knows
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Speaker 15: there's a double message here. This was always a trick.
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Speaker 15: What they said was a trick. It was a trick
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Speaker 15: to appease the Jewish community at the time rightly fiercely
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Speaker 15: angry at what happened on October the ninth of the
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Speaker 15: Opera House ever.
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Speaker 1: Since and ever since.
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Speaker 14: But you know, I mean they hadn't.
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Speaker 15: There wasn't even a response on October the ninth, and
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Speaker 15: there were people out there calling for the bloods of
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Speaker 15: Jews in Sydney. It is extraordinary that they are going
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Speaker 15: to be able to get away with this. But they're
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Speaker 15: doing it because they're playing to a base, and the
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Speaker 15: base is rotten.
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Speaker 1: The base is.
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Speaker 15: Fear of losing seats in areas that are very strong
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Speaker 15: Muslim populations. And of course the great assumption of all
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Speaker 15: of this is that this is what Muslims necessarily want.
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Speaker 15: I'm not even sure that's what they want. They want
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Speaker 15: protections as much as anybody else.
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Speaker 2: I had Jamar Riffi on the show the other night
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Speaker 2: and he said hate speech and race hate laws should
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Speaker 2: be used against the hate preachers.
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Speaker 16: I mean he supported that.
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Speaker 15: So perhaps the buck each way, the whole thing's been
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Speaker 15: a buck each way.
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Speaker 2: Now a Labor insider has spelled out how the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister could be on track to lose the next election.
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Speaker 2: This is the former Labour Queensland State director, also Bill
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Speaker 2: Shotton's former chief of staff, Cameron Milner. As you know
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Speaker 2: he's our Monday Night regular guest. Well, he keeps saying
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Speaker 2: on this show that Albert Easy could lose. He's pretty
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Speaker 2: much the only one saying that. Everyone else says that
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Speaker 2: Albernize's on track for minority government. So I told him
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Speaker 2: on Monday Night that he was the only one saying this.
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Speaker 2: And now he's written a piece about how Labor could
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Speaker 2: lose altogether after just one term. And here it is
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Speaker 2: front page of The Nightly Tonight. Cameron Milna writes that
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Speaker 2: the glib line that Peter Dutton is unelectable is easy
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Speaker 2: to say for Labor, but the evidence just doesn't support
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Speaker 2: the contention. And he predicts the Liberals and I'm going
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Speaker 2: to take you through what he says are the seats
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Speaker 2: that they could win. Now, he predicts the Liberals could
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Speaker 2: win from the Teals, Goldstein Curtain and mckella. And then
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Speaker 2: he says, given the cost of living crisis is hurting
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Speaker 2: out of metropolitan and regional areas the most he says
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Speaker 2: Labor could lose these seats. Gilmour, Lyons Lingiari, McEwen, Patterson, Robertson, Aston,
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Speaker 2: Tangy and the new seat of Bullwinkle. There's what to
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Speaker 2: all play out, Milna works out that the Liberals would
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Speaker 2: then be up eleven seats, taking them to around sixty
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Speaker 2: nine seats, while Labour would be down to seventy one seats.
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Speaker 2: And Milner then says there are other seats up for
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Speaker 2: grabs as well, like bruth b and South Australia, Reed
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Speaker 2: and ben along very marginal seats in New South Wales
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Speaker 2: and Chisholm in Victoria. And then Milner says that if
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Speaker 2: there's another independent candidate who's popular in Western Sydney like
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Speaker 2: Da Lee, or perhaps even one of the Muslim candidates
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Speaker 2: could be successful, this would mean more losses for Labor. Now,
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Speaker 2: Matt Canavan, we know at the moment that Albanezi is
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Speaker 2: facing minority government. But Milner talks about the situation with
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Speaker 2: the Voice how alban Easy managed to turn around a
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Speaker 2: proposition where about sixty percent of the population supported it
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Speaker 2: to a case where it was a thorough rejection. So
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Speaker 2: what do you think there's still probably around five or
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Speaker 2: six months potentially enter the poll.
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Speaker 13: Well, look, I mean the coalition is going to be
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Speaker 13: the underdogs going into the election. It's very hard, of
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Speaker 13: course to get rid of a first term government and
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Speaker 13: on the match you've gone through. We've got an enormous
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Speaker 13: number of seats we have to win, but we're in
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Speaker 13: this to win it. We've got to do a lot
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Speaker 13: of hard work ourselves and prove to the Australian people
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Speaker 13: that we've got the policies and solutions.
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Speaker 4: To fix their issues.
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Speaker 13: I mean, I, for one, hope that the Labor Party
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Speaker 13: don't read Cameron Milner's piece, because they certainly seem to
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Speaker 13: be governing like they think they can't lose. And you know,
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Speaker 13: pretty much from day one, they've acted like they are
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Speaker 13: somehow been coronated by the Australian people, when in fact,
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Speaker 13: even at the last election that they won, they receive
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Speaker 13: the lowest share of a primary vote of any incoming
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Speaker 13: government in our history. Just a third of Australian's voted
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Speaker 13: for the Labor Party. And so I just feel like
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Speaker 13: they've got ahead of themselves still are. I've spent the
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Speaker 13: last couple of weeks debating among themselves about what questions
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Speaker 13: on transgenderism should be asked in the Australian census, not
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Speaker 13: worrying about how they can create more homes for people
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Speaker 13: who don't have one in Australia.
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Speaker 4: Right now, not how they.
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Speaker 13: Can get inflation rate down to a level at least
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Speaker 13: what exists in other comparable countries like in North America
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Speaker 13: and Europe with the highest inflation rate in the world.
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Speaker 13: They just totally distracted and not focused on the priorities
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Speaker 13: and challenges, many challenges that are facing Australian family. So
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Speaker 13: if they keep governing like this, look anything's possible. But
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Speaker 13: as I say, we've got that hard work to do
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Speaker 13: as well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot of seats to make up.
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Speaker 15: What do you think, Jason, I actually don't think he's
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Speaker 15: alone on this. I saw Redbridge polling the other day
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Speaker 15: out with similar results talking about Gilmore the most marginal
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Speaker 15: seat going against the government. A whole stack of those
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Speaker 15: that are on that list going against the government. I
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Speaker 15: got two theories on this. One is the obvious that
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Speaker 15: they are terribly I mean your mate that comes on
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Speaker 15: here from the polling company the other day and Milner
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Speaker 15: himself said that Albanese is coming across this week useless
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Speaker 15: and a liar week. Useless and a liar. It keeps
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Speaker 15: coming out in the polling. And this is a guy,
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Speaker 15: this is a labor guy.
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Speaker 4: Now there's a.
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Speaker 15: Possibility that this is a hit piece too. This actually
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Speaker 15: could be designed and MPs go home over the weekend
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Speaker 15: they see.
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Speaker 4: Disasters for a long time.
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Speaker 15: I'm just saying they are screwed. They are screwed with him,
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Speaker 15: and they know it, and it's just a matter of time.
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Speaker 14: He's got to go.
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Speaker 15: The only thing, I mean, nothing they can do policy
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Speaker 15: wise is going to make the people Matt speaks of
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Speaker 15: in their homes have a better quality of life, have
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Speaker 15: lower mortgage payments, have lower powers. There is nothing they
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Speaker 15: are going to be able to do. The only thing
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Speaker 15: they can do is get rid of the bloke who
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Speaker 15: is useless at campaigning and there is disliked by the
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Speaker 15: Australian public at the moment, and that's the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 4: And you know, this guy's a Labor right guy.
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Speaker 15: There's a lot of writings in the Labor Party that
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Speaker 15: are pretty pod about the way alberanize taking the government
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Speaker 15: right now.
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Speaker 14: They want him.
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to get rid of him, though, matter.
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Speaker 4: Do you think we do?
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Speaker 13: You think we should draft out a campaign to draft
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Speaker 13: Bill Shorten back.
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Speaker 4: I think again, Bill don't go well. I would I
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Speaker 4: would have a stranger things have happened.
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Speaker 15: I would have said that someone like Charmers would be
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Speaker 15: an option for them, except today I saw Charmers basically
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Speaker 15: taking the piss out of an old pensioner in Parliament
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Speaker 15: question time because the blokes had his letter read out
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Speaker 15: in Parliament complaining about his gas bill and they just
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Speaker 15: took the mickey out of it. I mean they forget
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Speaker 15: that this is real in people's lives, that people are
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Speaker 15: really struggling.
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Speaker 14: They have forgotten that because they are so removed from
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Speaker 14: it and talk about removal. The removal solution is out now.
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Speaker 2: I think he was having a bit of a lighthearted moment,
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Speaker 2: but I don't think he was miking Khi Well.
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Speaker 15: I wonder how cess all the pension of feels about
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Speaker 15: it being mocked and having the piss taken out of
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Speaker 15: his name by the Treasure of Australia with his double
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Speaker 15: power bill.
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Speaker 2: Let's have a look at Tanya pliversek now, very controversial
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Speaker 2: move we've been discussing on the show, her decision to
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Speaker 2: kill off the billion dollar gold mine at the eleventh hour.
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Speaker 2: But now there's one hundred and twenty one land councils
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Speaker 2: are preparing to converge in the state's central West to
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Speaker 2: discuss this intervention. This report in the OZ today we
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Speaker 2: heard the former New South Wales Aboriginal Land Council.
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Speaker 4: Chair ry R s.
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Speaker 2: He was outraged by Plebisk's decision. He was on Chris
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Speaker 2: Kenny a bit earlier.
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Speaker 17: I have a look for the minister and not even
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Speaker 17: talked to the local Aboriginal Land Council. That in itself
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Speaker 17: is disrespectful. It's disrespectful to our voice. The landline system
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Speaker 17: was set up, Chris, to give abidinal people a voice
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Speaker 17: in the state of New South Wales. It wasn't only
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Speaker 17: for recompense, for compensation and dispossession. It was set up
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Speaker 17: to give Abidinal people a voice in the state of
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Speaker 17: New South Wales. And she hasn't even listened to our voice.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Matt, this is stunning as well that Tanyabo
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Speaker 2: were second, that Albanezi government has managed to get indigenous
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Speaker 2: groups offside.
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Speaker 13: Well, Tan, your purposec needs to go to this meeting.
21:05
Speaker 13: Just go there and listen. Doesn't have to say anything.
21:06
Speaker 13: I don't have given speeches. Listen to the people there
21:09
Speaker 13: because Royc there's hit the nail on the head. I mean,
21:13
Speaker 13: this was a government that had at its centerpiece was
21:17
Speaker 13: what it wanted to achieve an election night, the first
21:19
Speaker 13: thing the Prime Minister mentioned was to establish a voice
21:22
Speaker 13: for Aboriginal people. Now, ultimately the Australian people didn't want
21:26
Speaker 13: to have that in our referendum, but I think all
21:28
Speaker 13: Australians would agree that the Aboriginal people deserve to have
21:31
Speaker 13: a voice, that Abridginal people deserve to have their voices
21:33
Speaker 13: heard just like any other Australian, just didn't want it
21:35
Speaker 13: enshrined in the constitution a race based way. But if
21:39
Speaker 13: this Globor Party is seriously serious about listening to a
21:42
Speaker 13: voice rather than just radical constitutional change, go out to
21:45
Speaker 13: Orange and meet with these groups and hear from these
21:48
Speaker 13: Aboriginal land councils about.
21:49
Speaker 4: Why they're upset with this change.
21:51
Speaker 13: I mean my experience with Aboriginal groups that yes, they're
21:55
Speaker 13: very serious about respecting their areas of heritage and sacred sites.
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Speaker 4: Like the rest of us.
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Speaker 13: They do want economic opportunity too, and of many entrepreneurial
22:04
Speaker 13: people among them who want businesses, and all of these
22:06
Speaker 13: decisions have to be balanced against the economic opportunity that
22:09
Speaker 13: Aboriginal areas against also the right to protect herriage. It's
22:13
Speaker 13: just like they are in urban environments as well. And
22:15
Speaker 13: it's pretty clear here Tanya has let that balance way
22:18
Speaker 13: out of whack and she's listening to some fringe radical extremists,
22:21
Speaker 13: so not the vast bulk of Aboriginal people.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, all right, Matt Canavan. You mentioned a moment
22:26
Speaker 2: ago that Labor introduced its new revamped Misinformation Bill into
22:30
Speaker 2: Parliament today. Now, this bill is one of the most
22:35
Speaker 2: unpopular pieces of legislation ever to be introduced into the parliament, Jason.
22:40
Speaker 2: It has been criticized by the left and the right broadly.
22:44
Speaker 2: There are serious concerns about how we're impact on journalism,
22:49
Speaker 2: on individuals in the public who want to have their say,
22:52
Speaker 2: give a different opinion. What do you think about this?
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Speaker 15: Yeah, we don't need another government agency of unelected individuals
22:58
Speaker 15: making decisions on what's acceptable to say or not. The
23:02
Speaker 15: market can make that decision, and the market can call
23:05
Speaker 15: out people who say the wrong things, and shows like
23:08
Speaker 15: this and shows on the ABC can even do it
23:12
Speaker 15: as well.
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Speaker 14: We don't need a government agency for this. I dubbed this.
23:16
Speaker 15: I think it's a dangerous step in a direction we
23:18
Speaker 15: don't need to go.
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Speaker 4: Matt.
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Speaker 2: One of the examples the minister gave when she was
23:23
Speaker 2: talking about this legislation is that it could be used
23:26
Speaker 2: against people who were promoting anti vaccination information online well
23:32
Speaker 2: after the COVID vaccine. There are a lot of legitimate
23:36
Speaker 2: concerns about that vaccine and that could be repeated in
23:39
Speaker 2: the future if there is another pandemic and another quick.
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Speaker 16: Vaccine welled out.
23:42
Speaker 2: So should those concerns be removed from online? This is
23:46
Speaker 2: a debatable area.
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Speaker 4: It absolutely is. It absolutely is.
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Speaker 13: There's actually nothing that maybe we should debate more than
23:55
Speaker 13: the health outcomes of different interventions, whether they be ones
23:58
Speaker 13: in response to the coronavirus, just the general health of
24:01
Speaker 13: different food products and our general pharmaceutical first approach to.
24:06
Speaker 4: Health in the modern world.
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Speaker 13: It's a very legitimate source of political debate, and our
24:10
Speaker 13: constitution actually protects political communication. Or the High Courts interpreted
24:14
Speaker 13: that as an implied right nowhere in this bill that
24:16
Speaker 13: I could find I've tried to get through the seventy
24:19
Speaker 13: pages of it this evening. Now are this bill I
24:21
Speaker 13: could find any protection for those implied rights of all Australians.
24:26
Speaker 13: And really this is not a bill to protect your
24:30
Speaker 13: listeners tonight, your viewers tonight against misinformation. This is a
24:34
Speaker 13: bill to protect government bureaucrats against criticism.
24:38
Speaker 4: That's what it is. It's a bill.
24:40
Speaker 13: It's a protection racket to stop any accountability from our
24:45
Speaker 13: public servants, who look as diligent as they may be,
24:48
Speaker 13: as we saw during the COVID epidemic.
24:50
Speaker 4: Have enormous power over our lives.
24:53
Speaker 13: And when that power has to come accountability, they have
24:55
Speaker 13: to be subject to criticism in a proper functioning democracy,
24:58
Speaker 13: and this bill weakens that and it should be just
25:02
Speaker 13: immediately dismissed out of hand and taken out as part
25:04
Speaker 13: of it is one of the worst piece piece of
25:06
Speaker 13: legislation to be introduced in a democratic parliament this country.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely and we've heard the Prime Minister and his ministers
25:14
Speaker 2: accuse everything of being misinformation, even political attacks on them,
25:18
Speaker 2: you know, criticism about the voice. And if they're now
25:22
Speaker 2: legislating misinformation, you can just imagine how this could be abused,
25:27
Speaker 2: misused during for political purposes during an election campaign. It's scary,
25:32
Speaker 2: all right, Matt Canavan, Jason Morrison, thank you Bach so much.
25:36
Speaker 4: Now.
25:36
Speaker 2: Defense Minister Richard Miles today revoked service medal service medals
25:41
Speaker 2: from commanding officers during the Afghanistan War. This was a
25:45
Speaker 2: recommendation after an inquiry into alleged war crimes by Ossie troops.
25:50
Speaker 2: Here was Richard Miles.
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Speaker 18: Today closing out these two recommendations. Was me writing to
25:56
Speaker 18: relevant commanders about my decision in relation to medals awarded
26:00
Speaker 18: to them as part of their service during periods approximate
26:05
Speaker 18: to the incidents which are at the heart of the
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Speaker 18: Breton Report. I have now written these letters. My decisions
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Speaker 18: on this matter are consistent with the findings and recommendations
26:16
Speaker 18: of the Breton Report, in accordance with obligations owed to
26:21
Speaker 18: the individuals involved, including under the Privacy Act, I am
26:24
Speaker 18: prohibited from disclosing the details and outcomes.
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Speaker 2: With Shadow Defense Minister Andrew Hasty said more senior officials
26:34
Speaker 2: on the top brass need to be held accountable.
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Speaker 19: Those in the chain of command who saw the post
26:40
Speaker 19: mission slide decks with the kill counts and pictures of
26:45
Speaker 19: dead individuals had an obligation to ask questions. From Taran
26:50
Speaker 19: Court to Kubble, to candor Heart, to do Ye to Candra,
26:55
Speaker 19: excuse me, those in the chain of command should have
27:00
Speaker 19: asked more questions.
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Speaker 2: He was quite emotional about that well. Also in the opposition.
27:06
Speaker 2: Keith Wallahan said that Angus Campbell himself should handback his mettle.
27:10
Speaker 3: Have a look, we'll bring The awards that we're talking
27:17
Speaker 3: about were given for distinguished command and leadership or distinguished leadership.
27:23
Speaker 3: I've been a leader in combat. You do get all
27:25
Speaker 3: of the glory of the good work and courage that
27:27
Speaker 3: your soldiers do. But the flip side of that is
27:30
Speaker 3: that you also have some moral accountability for when things
27:33
Speaker 3: go wrong.
27:35
Speaker 2: Okay, let's bring in now Australian Defense Associations executive director
27:39
Speaker 2: Neil James. Welcome to the show, Neil. Look, what do
27:42
Speaker 2: you think of those comments from Andrew Hasty and Neil
27:46
Speaker 2: James that there hasn't been enough accountability at the top.
27:51
Speaker 20: Well, there certainly hasn't, and we have the advantage in
27:53
Speaker 20: footal partner at the moment that we have too Afghan
27:55
Speaker 20: to stend more veterans with combat experience in the Special
27:59
Speaker 20: Operations time scrip. They've raised some very very good points.
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Speaker 20: The Breton Report basically said that certain senior officers, even
28:07
Speaker 20: if they couldn't be held legally responsible, were morally responsible
28:11
Speaker 20: in all good conscience, their awards could not or should
28:14
Speaker 20: not be retained which was a subtle hit by Breton.
28:16
Speaker 20: Maybe they should be handed back the ministrative laws now
28:20
Speaker 20: kicked in. The Minister has written to various people and
28:23
Speaker 20: provided them with the opportunity to show cause why their
28:27
Speaker 20: medals should not be revoked. In about a third of
28:29
Speaker 20: the cases they provide a sufficient cause that a revocation
28:32
Speaker 20: apparently didn't happen. In about two thirds of the cases
28:36
Speaker 20: they were unable to or judged unable to, So the
28:38
Speaker 20: awards will be revoked. The big problem here and no
28:42
Speaker 20: one's really addressing it, but to an extent you've seen
28:44
Speaker 20: that from Keith Woller and Andrew Hasty is what about
28:47
Speaker 20: further up the chain, Because a number of the problems
28:49
Speaker 20: that occurred in Afghanist und occurred because governments of both
28:52
Speaker 20: political persuasions, over a period of some years expected the
28:56
Speaker 20: Defense Force and indeed the Special Forces campaigner of the
28:58
Speaker 20: Defense Force do some things without adequately taking into account
29:02
Speaker 20: of the situation they're putting.
29:03
Speaker 16: Those forces in.
29:05
Speaker 20: So this is not just a problem for the Defense
29:07
Speaker 20: Force or and do the Department of Defense. It's a
29:09
Speaker 20: problem for Australia as a whole, particularly the way decisions
29:13
Speaker 20: are made and the way our troops are sent to war.
29:16
Speaker 2: Now there hasn't been any real information given by the
29:20
Speaker 2: Defense Minister, and rightly so, you know this should be
29:23
Speaker 2: kept private. But as a result of that, a lot
29:27
Speaker 2: of people watching tonight are saying, well, you know, these
29:30
Speaker 2: young men and maybe women went off bravely to fight
29:33
Speaker 2: in battle in the fog of war. You know, they
29:36
Speaker 2: had to make snap decisions to defend themselves or to
29:40
Speaker 2: defend their mates. They solve their fellow soldiers being killed. So,
29:44
Speaker 2: given we don't have the detail that it's not in
29:47
Speaker 2: the public domain, there is this sense of confusion in
29:50
Speaker 2: the public about whether or not you know, these soldiers
29:54
Speaker 2: deserve to have their medals revoked. What's your response to this, Well.
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Speaker 16: It depends on how you look at it.
30:01
Speaker 20: For example, the war crimes were the callous murder of
30:05
Speaker 20: unarmed prisoners. They weren't fog of war or heat of
30:08
Speaker 20: battle incidents. There are deliberately decisions taken to murder people
30:12
Speaker 20: unarmed after they were captured. In any way you look
30:18
Speaker 20: at this, not only is this a defense against the
30:20
Speaker 20: laws of war, it's also an offense against the professionalism
30:22
Speaker 20: expected of Australian military personnel and the cover up that
30:26
Speaker 20: then occurred, was also unprofessional and illegal, and the people
30:30
Speaker 20: who did this will duly be punished. They have their
30:33
Speaker 20: day in a court of law. But we can't wait
30:36
Speaker 20: for that to occur because we know it occurred, and
30:39
Speaker 20: where we've got to take steps to resurrect austraight as
30:41
Speaker 20: public reputation, the reputation professionalism and the Defense Force. The
30:45
Speaker 20: problem we have though, is that further up the command chain,
30:50
Speaker 20: you know there were people. If they didn't know and
30:54
Speaker 20: covered it up, then they're guilty of an offense, both
30:57
Speaker 20: morally and legally. If they didn't know then obviously, but
31:02
Speaker 20: the plan would be made that they should have known,
31:04
Speaker 20: and therefore there was a command failure. And we said
31:07
Speaker 20: this when we first rate about the report back in
31:09
Speaker 20: December twenty twenty. It's even to pin tweet on our
31:14
Speaker 20: Twitter stream. The problem there, though, is even senior Defense
31:18
Speaker 20: Force commanders are not the only people that need to
31:20
Speaker 20: be held culpable for what went wrong. There are people
31:23
Speaker 20: up to chain going into parliament and in de caapment
31:26
Speaker 20: under governments of both political persuasions who put the Defense
31:29
Speaker 20: Force in a situation where the risk of this type
31:31
Speaker 20: of thing occurring was quite high and it's just like
31:35
Speaker 20: noble courts corruption in a police force. You've actually got
31:38
Speaker 20: to stamp it out from the top to the bottom
31:40
Speaker 20: to make certain.
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Speaker 1: That never happens again.
31:42
Speaker 20: And no matter what happens, Australia has to resurrect its
31:44
Speaker 20: international reputation. And if we don't take the appropriate legal
31:47
Speaker 20: steps to do that and to make sure that this
31:50
Speaker 20: type of war crime is never committed again by Australians,
31:53
Speaker 20: international criminal court will start to take a big interest
31:56
Speaker 20: and I don't think any Australian Once that do occur,
31:58
Speaker 20: we should deal with this in the Australian court and
32:01
Speaker 20: by Australian criminal law and administry law and command law procedures.
32:06
Speaker 2: All right, Neil James, really appreciate you giving your thoughts tonight. Now,
32:10
Speaker 2: after the break tensions between Alban Easy and his rival
32:14
Speaker 2: Tanya Plibisek over the backlash to environment laws, plus the
32:18
Speaker 2: conspiracy theory surrounding Kamala Harris in the wake of the
32:21
Speaker 2: presidential debate, my panel will join me next.
32:28
Speaker 4: Welcome back.
32:29
Speaker 2: Let's bring in tonight's panel, National Affairs editor at The Australian,
32:32
Speaker 2: Joe Kelly and former Labor and p Michael Danby. Welcomed
32:35
Speaker 2: you both look at it. In an eleventh hour move, Tanya
32:39
Speaker 2: Plibisek has withdrawn her contentious environmental laws from the Senate.
32:44
Speaker 2: This came after heavy opposition from the business sector. They
32:48
Speaker 2: were furious that Plibisk was considering doing a deal with
32:51
Speaker 2: the Greens. Now. Interestingly, Simon Benson in The Australian reports
32:54
Speaker 2: that alban Easy is reportedly unhappy about the latest blow
32:59
Speaker 2: up and the potential for another war on something else
33:02
Speaker 2: that he clearly doesn't need. Sources say this has been
33:05
Speaker 2: communicated to Plibosc's office, So Joe Kelly, it clearly looks
33:10
Speaker 2: like there are tensions here, an annoyance on the Prime
33:14
Speaker 2: Minister's part, that this was another bungled policy area by Plibersec.
33:22
Speaker 21: I think that's right, Cherry. I don't quite know what
33:24
Speaker 21: the labor strategy is here. I think they should have
33:27
Speaker 21: been pretty definitive from the get go that they won't
33:30
Speaker 21: agree to a climate trigger to get the Greens on
33:33
Speaker 21: board to establish this environmental protection agency. I think that
33:37
Speaker 21: just exposes them to a backlash from the business community
33:41
Speaker 21: and opens up an attack on them.
33:43
Speaker 4: From the coalition.
33:45
Speaker 21: They have always left that on the table, So this
33:48
Speaker 21: was always a risk. I think that the messaging from
33:51
Speaker 21: Tanya Plibosek has been very confusing this week, where she
33:55
Speaker 21: has indicated that yes, a deal with the Greens over
33:57
Speaker 21: this is possible, particularly given how upset the minerals and
34:03
Speaker 21: resources sector is at the industrial relations policies of this
34:07
Speaker 21: government in relation to their position on environmental approval. So
34:12
Speaker 21: I can understand why Anthony Albinizi is upset, but he's
34:16
Speaker 21: the Prime Minister and I think that at the end
34:19
Speaker 21: of the day he has to take responsibility for this,
34:22
Speaker 21: and I think he should have been very clear from
34:23
Speaker 21: the start no deal with the Greens and no climate trigger.
34:28
Speaker 2: Michael Danby, I mean, you know all the players here
34:31
Speaker 2: very well. You were in Parliament for years and years
34:34
Speaker 2: and years. Do you think part of the issue that
34:37
Speaker 2: we're seeing with all of these cases that just blow
34:39
Speaker 2: up in Labour's face is that the Prime Minister isn't
34:42
Speaker 2: across the detail.
34:43
Speaker 4: He just leaves it to.
34:43
Speaker 2: The ministers and it's only when something erupts that he
34:48
Speaker 2: gets involved.
34:50
Speaker 16: Well, the mining sector provides so much of the revenue
34:54
Speaker 16: that we spend on our social programs. When BHP goes
34:58
Speaker 16: on the front page of the Australian and that it's
35:00
Speaker 16: spending its contribution to tax revenue, is contributing fifty percent
35:06
Speaker 16: of the health budget. You know, Elbow's got a problem.
35:10
Speaker 16: BHP and some of the other mining companies aren't like
35:12
Speaker 16: Gina Reiner, They've been pretty work on some issues now.
35:17
Speaker 16: None of us want that Aboriginal carvings has happened in
35:22
Speaker 16: West Australia to be destroyed in the future. But in
35:25
Speaker 16: this area of mining, he has a real problem. These
35:29
Speaker 16: are the people who provide us with the revenue, the
35:32
Speaker 16: wealth to do all of the things that Australians expect.
35:36
Speaker 16: How do we pay for NDIS and the defense budget
35:39
Speaker 16: if we don't have the support of the mining industry.
35:43
Speaker 16: It's dealing with the Greens and the Senate is a
35:47
Speaker 16: typical problem. It'd be better to deal with the Liberals
35:51
Speaker 16: and the crossbench.
35:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, very difficult. Just to another big story today
35:57
Speaker 2: in media circles. At the Very Least nine chief executive
36:01
Speaker 2: Mike Sneezeby announced that he was stepping down from the role.
36:04
Speaker 2: He described the recent period as one of the most
36:08
Speaker 2: challenging of his career. This is a head of an
36:12
Speaker 2: independent review into workplace culture and sexual harassment that's going
36:16
Speaker 2: to be handed down on October thirty. First, Joe, this
36:20
Speaker 2: is a serious issue. This was the me too movement
36:24
Speaker 2: hitting Channel nine. Sneezey said the announcement of his resignation
36:30
Speaker 2: was completely unrelated to this, but it's no question that
36:35
Speaker 2: the company is going through a very difficult, troubled period.
36:41
Speaker 21: I think it's irrelevant whether it was related or not.
36:44
Speaker 21: The fact is that he's announced that he's going. This
36:47
Speaker 21: is a media organization going through a period of turbulence
36:52
Speaker 21: and leadership change. They've had a really shocking run of
36:55
Speaker 21: it in the last few months. So obviously we had
36:58
Speaker 21: the abrupt resignation of Darren Wick, then the allegations of
37:02
Speaker 21: inappropriate behavior against him, which soon followed the commissioning of
37:07
Speaker 21: this review into the culture at nine, including allegations of
37:11
Speaker 21: bullying and harassment. There was the Peter Costello incident not
37:16
Speaker 21: too much later. The share price has taken a clobbering.
37:21
Speaker 21: It's less than half of what it was when Mike
37:23
Speaker 21: Sneezeby took over the top job three years ago. And
37:27
Speaker 21: in the publishing arm just recently, there were obviously strikes
37:31
Speaker 21: about pay in conditions from journalists on their flagship Masthead.
37:36
Speaker 21: So look, they're going through a period difficulty in leadership
37:40
Speaker 21: change and they'll need to rebuild. They'll need to rebuild
37:43
Speaker 21: from here and adapt to the times.
37:46
Speaker 2: Yeh, Look, just ending tonight this panel at least on
37:49
Speaker 2: the US presidential debate that we saw yesterday. General consensus,
37:54
Speaker 2: Michael downby that Kamala Harris won the debate, that Donald
37:57
Speaker 2: Trump was unprepared. What were your main takeouts?
38:02
Speaker 16: Well, he's an older guy. He should have done what
38:05
Speaker 16: Kamala didn't taken some not rest, but some preparation beforehand,
38:10
Speaker 16: and he lacked the detail that he has got on
38:13
Speaker 16: his side. There was no discussion of international affairs, no
38:18
Speaker 16: commemoration of the fact that it was an anniversary.
38:20
Speaker 1: Of September the eleventh.
38:22
Speaker 16: I mean, didn't three thousand Americans die in New York
38:25
Speaker 16: on that day, the city that Trump comes from. Look,
38:28
Speaker 16: he could have not comella for a sixth but he didn't.
38:31
Speaker 16: And I think she showed herself to be more capable
38:33
Speaker 16: than most people thought of. I'm not sure that debates
38:37
Speaker 16: Shari in the end determine the results. I still think
38:42
Speaker 16: from what I see Frank Lunt says that he's ahead
38:46
Speaker 16: the Polster in the Swing States, and that's what he
38:50
Speaker 16: has to hang on to.
38:52
Speaker 2: Yeap, Joe Kelly, just very quickly. You know a lot
38:55
Speaker 2: of people watching would have already made up their mind
38:58
Speaker 2: about who they were going to vote for, very small
39:00
Speaker 2: pool of undecided. So where do you think this is
39:03
Speaker 2: headed at this point in time?
39:06
Speaker 21: Well, look, I think if Kamala Harris goes on to
39:09
Speaker 21: win the election in November, people might look back and
39:12
Speaker 21: actually say that the debate was more significant than it
39:16
Speaker 21: might appear now. I think it was actually interesting for
39:19
Speaker 21: showing how much things had changed, the contest has flipped.
39:22
Speaker 21: I think Donald Trump wasn't prepared and he's underestimated the
39:26
Speaker 21: challenge that Kamala Harris has brought to the table.
39:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, all right, Joe Kelly, We look forward to
39:31
Speaker 2: hearing more US analysis from you in the coming weeks,
39:35
Speaker 2: and Michael DWB be great to have you on the show.
39:38
Speaker 2: Now after the break the story that's about to blow
39:40
Speaker 2: up Albaneze's major broken promise on hate speech laws. Liberal
39:45
Speaker 2: Julian Lisa would join me in.
39:47
Speaker 5: A moment.
39:51
Speaker 4: Welcome back.
39:52
Speaker 2: Well, we've all been horrified at the violence and vile
39:55
Speaker 2: behavior that took place in the streets of Melbourne yesterday.
39:59
Speaker 2: This is the failure of our political leaders who failed
40:02
Speaker 2: to act on aggression that has now become normalized in
40:05
Speaker 2: the wake of the October seven attacks. Will Liberally and
40:08
Speaker 2: p Julian Lisa spoke out about it in Parliament today.
40:12
Speaker 22: People have the right to protest, but they have to
40:15
Speaker 22: do it peacefully.
40:16
Speaker 23: All around our country there has been a growing sense
40:19
Speaker 23: of lawlessness since October seven. The violence involved in Melbourne's
40:23
Speaker 23: protest yesterday is shocking and all too often governments aren't
40:26
Speaker 23: throwing the book at people who thumb their nose at
40:29
Speaker 23: the law and shown no respect for their fellow Australians.
40:33
Speaker 2: And Julian joins me here now, great to see you, hi. Sure,
40:37
Speaker 2: so you know this does seem to be a culmination
40:41
Speaker 2: of lawlessness. This mob think that they run the streets,
40:44
Speaker 2: that there's going to be no consequences for their actions
40:47
Speaker 2: because there haven't.
40:48
Speaker 14: Been no That's exactly right, Sherry.
40:50
Speaker 23: I mean, we shouldn't have a situation where bad people
40:52
Speaker 23: run run the country and bad people run the town.
40:54
Speaker 23: And that's effectively what's happened here. Because every protest since
40:58
Speaker 23: the seventh of October, starting with the opera house riots
41:01
Speaker 23: on the ninth of October have basically been met with
41:05
Speaker 23: a slap on the wrist rather than people throwing the
41:07
Speaker 23: book at these practice there's no consequence for this stuff.
41:10
Speaker 23: And what we're seeing in Melbourne isn't a protest, it's
41:13
Speaker 23: a riot. We should call out for what it actually is.
41:16
Speaker 23: The violence that was there where feces were thrown at police,
41:19
Speaker 23: where there's reports tonight in the press that.
41:22
Speaker 14: People squirted, people squirted.
41:24
Speaker 23: To nerve things into the nostrils of the horses there.
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Speaker 23: This isn't Australian behavior. And yet these people, these anarchistic.
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Speaker 14: Type behavior that is around.
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Speaker 23: The sort of anti Israel, anti Semitic behaviors that we're
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Speaker 23: seeing there is.
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Speaker 14: Unprecedented in our history.
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Speaker 23: And the only thing you can do with this is
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Speaker 23: throw the book at people with the strongest laws possible.
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Speaker 2: Well, you talk about throwing the book at people with
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Speaker 2: the strongest laws possible. And Mark Dreyfus and the Prime Minister,
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Speaker 2: Mark Drefs being the Attorney General, promised new hate speech laws.
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Speaker 2: The police said they needed them. They promised new laws.
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Speaker 2: That was back in February. We now learn that they've
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Speaker 2: wanted them down and they're not going to be any
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Speaker 2: stronger than what we've got at the moment.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, this is hugely disappointing Sharia.
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Speaker 23: I mean, the increase in antisemitism since the seventh of
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Speaker 23: October is off the charts. We've had an over seven
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Speaker 23: hundred percent increasing incidents, everything from anti Semitic incidents outside
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Speaker 23: Jewish schools to doxing, to the drive throughs in suburbs,
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Speaker 23: to the terrible things that are happening on our university campuses.
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Speaker 23: If ever, there was a time where we needed stronger
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Speaker 23: laws to deal with these issues, and we actually needed
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Speaker 23: governments to use the laws that are there on the
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Speaker 23: statute book today, and that's the main thing we've been asking.
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Speaker 5: Them to do.
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Speaker 23: Police should enforce the laws, prosecutions should happen, and with
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Speaker 23: these laws that the government has presented today, they will
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Speaker 23: go off to a Senate committee.
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Speaker 14: And it's very important that the Senate.
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Speaker 23: Committee interrogates the police, interrogates the prosecution authorities, and interrogates
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Speaker 23: the government to find out why there haven't been these
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Speaker 23: prosecutions and whether there'll be any prosecutions for any of
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Speaker 23: this bad behavior under their proposed laws.
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Speaker 2: And politics is probably the reason why they have waded
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Speaker 2: them down. But at the same time, we saw the
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Speaker 2: front page of the Daily Telegraph today with the revelation
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Speaker 2: that two point four million dollars has been made available
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Speaker 2: to three community groups, one of which promotes and features
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Speaker 2: on their website the hate preacher who said he was
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Speaker 2: elated just twenty four hours after the October seven attack.
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Speaker 2: What do you think of this, of this utter hypocrisy
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Speaker 2: from the Albanezi government.
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Speaker 23: This is a product of the moral equivalents with which
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Speaker 23: the government's approached this whole issue from the very beginning.
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Speaker 23: You'll remember, after the seventh of October, the government gave
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Speaker 23: twenty five million to the Jewish community to improve its security.
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Speaker 14: Now, any community that is a.
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Speaker 23: Threat deserves to have money to improve it security, doesn't
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Speaker 23: matter whether it's the Jewish community, the Muslim community, the
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Speaker 23: Christian community, the Hindu community. But because they needed to
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Speaker 23: so called balance the ledger, they gave money to the
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Speaker 23: Palestinian communities and basically said, well, we'll give that money
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Speaker 23: to you for advocacy.
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Speaker 14: But advocacy that is run by a.
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Speaker 23: Person who has said those things about Jews and who
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Speaker 23: took that reaction to the seventh of October terrorist attacks
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Speaker 23: actually diminishes our social cohesion. I couldn't think of a
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Speaker 23: worse organization to receive that sort of money.
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Speaker 14: At this time.
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Speaker 2: The scrutiny on the Abenezy government over this is really
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Speaker 2: only coming from newscot Do you think there should be
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Speaker 2: more attention paid to this issue from the other media organizations,
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Speaker 2: because if you're not reading newscop products or watching Sky News,
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Speaker 2: then you might just not realize what they're doing here
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Speaker 2: and how they are deliberately, in my view, at least,
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Speaker 2: causing the further erosion of social cohesion in our country.
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Speaker 23: Absolutely, Sharia, the social cohesion of Australia is not just
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Speaker 23: an issue for Jewish people. It's not just an issue
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Speaker 23: for the consumers of news Corp publications and media. It's
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Speaker 23: an issue for all Australians. And what we saw in
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Speaker 23: Melbourne this week is reminded that this is so much
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Speaker 23: more than just the Jewish community, and it's so much
44:54
Speaker 23: more than just the people who watch this program. This
44:56
Speaker 23: is about the small businesses in Melbourne who have that
44:58
Speaker 23: trade interrupted. Is a about the security of our country
45:02
Speaker 23: through having proper weapons for Australia to defend itself. This
45:05
Speaker 23: is about the ability for us to bring international business
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Speaker 23: to this country.
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Speaker 14: This is about people just going about their ordinary business.
45:11
Speaker 4: You're going to get their kids to school, correct, go
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Speaker 4: to work correct.
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Speaker 23: And if we have people who are fermenting the sort
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Speaker 23: of breakdown in social cohesion for the country, that is
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Speaker 23: bad for all Australians.
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Speaker 2: All right, Julian Lisa, great to have you on set
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Speaker 2: with us after your busy week in Candra.
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Speaker 14: Thank you, Thank you. Charing.
45:27
Speaker 2: After the break, Kamala Harris and Donald Trump put their
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Speaker 2: differences aside to commemorate the September eleven terror attacks.
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Speaker 8: As the fallout from.
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Speaker 2: The presidential debate continues, I'll be joined by New York
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Speaker 2: Post columnist David Kaufman.
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Speaker 22: Next.
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Speaker 4: Welcome back.
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Speaker 2: Well, before we turn to the fallout of the presidential debate,
45:49
Speaker 2: we have some breaking news now from space.
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Speaker 4: This is the first ever.
45:55
Speaker 2: In the history of the world civilian space walk. This
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Speaker 2: is SpaceX so Elon Musk Venture has taken four civilians
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Speaker 2: into space. I understand that they're in a capsule orbiting
46:09
Speaker 2: the Earth, first ever civilians to be taken into space.
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Speaker 2: They're doing experiments, but ultimately this will be a commercial
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Speaker 2: enterprise that Elon Musk is running where people will be
46:22
Speaker 2: able to pay to go into space. So that is
46:25
Speaker 2: just happening now, some big breaking news from space. The
46:30
Speaker 2: world is changing, and Elon Musk, for all your criticisms
46:34
Speaker 2: of him, is doing incredible things that we didn't think
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Speaker 2: was humanly possible. All right, let's turn to the US
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Speaker 2: elections now, and let's bring in New York Post columnist
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Speaker 2: David Kauffman. David, great to see you. Look there was
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Speaker 2: it was September eleven yesterday in Australia, but of course
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Speaker 2: it was September eleven today in the US and there
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Speaker 2: were the commemorations for the terror attacks. How did Kamala
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Speaker 2: and Trump honor this case?
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Speaker 22: So considering the sort of a hallowed reverence of September elevenths,
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Speaker 22: it's traditionally a day without politicking, but yesterday was really
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Speaker 22: all about politics and optics. Harris, Trump, Biden, JD. Bank
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Speaker 22: has all appeared on stage in Laura, Manhattan to commemorate
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Speaker 22: the terror attacks. And really, if you've looked at the
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Speaker 22: optics of this image, it was very much a win
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Speaker 22: for Kamala Harris. You know, at the debate she positioned
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Speaker 22: herself as sort of a pathway forward, a way out
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Speaker 22: of this mess that America finds its way in right now.
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Speaker 22: And there she was standing, you know, on the dais
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Speaker 22: with you know, four or five men, all white, all.
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Speaker 1: You know, at least a decade, if not too older than.
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Speaker 22: Her, and she really looked like a breath, like the
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Speaker 22: breath of fresh air, like the way forward that she
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Speaker 22: positioned herself the previous evening at the debate yesterday was
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Speaker 22: supposed to be not about politics, but it was all
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Speaker 22: about politics, and in many ways Vice presid Kamala Harris
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Speaker 22: really one.
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Speaker 2: Yeah she did. Indeed, we don't. We didn't learn any
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Speaker 2: more detail about why her policy positions have changed or
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Speaker 2: really what her policy position is, particularly when it comes
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Speaker 2: to foreign policy, which is a concern for everyone around
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Speaker 2: the world. But she did win. Is there now a
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Speaker 2: concern in the Republican Party? Do you think they're going
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Speaker 2: to agree to another debate and actually get Trump to
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Speaker 2: knuckle down?
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Speaker 22: I would be surprised if Republicans did agree to another debate.
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Speaker 22: You know, the goal of Tuesday night was really different.
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Speaker 22: People like me who are just undecided.
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Speaker 1: We don't like any of them.
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Speaker 22: And what Harry seemed to do was to sort of
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Speaker 22: demonstrate that she was presidential, that she was taking this seriously,
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Speaker 22: that she could rise to the occasion, that she was
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Speaker 22: more than these kind of goofy laughs and memes. And
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Speaker 22: in that regard she really succeeded. I was quite impressed
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Speaker 22: by the gravitas that she displayed. I was quite impressed
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Speaker 22: by I felt like this woman was taking seriously.
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Speaker 1: She looked presidential.
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Speaker 22: Donald Trump, on the other hand, you know, it was
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Speaker 22: business as usual with him and Kamala.
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Speaker 1: Harris keeps on using that phrase.
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Speaker 22: With Trump, business as usual, And with Trump it was
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Speaker 22: business as usual. He was arrogant, he was adversarial, he
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Speaker 22: was full of conflict, he was nasty. And I think
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Speaker 22: that US public is somewhat tiring of this sort of
49:21
Speaker 22: you know, tired old train of Trump. The question about
49:25
Speaker 22: our next debate. You know, I think it doesn't really
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Speaker 22: work in Trump's favor. He's proven himself unable to evolve,
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Speaker 22: and if we have another spectacle like this, I think
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Speaker 22: it would really begin to hurt him.
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Speaker 2: Well, Trump is a known quantity though people know what
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Speaker 2: he's like as president, they know what his record is,
49:43
Speaker 2: and you know, I agree with you that Kamala did
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Speaker 2: present very well, but she didn't give any answers for
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Speaker 2: the key concerns that people have about her, you know,
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Speaker 2: her border policy for one, and also the cost of
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Speaker 2: living crisis at the moment that's gripping the United States
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Speaker 2: States as it is in Australia as well. All Right,
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Speaker 2: David Kaufman, great to have you join us. And that's
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Speaker 2: it for me. Thank you everyone for your company this week.
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Speaker 2: I'll see you Monday. And right now he's Paul Murray