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The news, opinions, commentary and interviews. You need to start your day.
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You're listening to The West Carrol Morning Show. Thursday morning, eleventh day
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of April. I'm West Thanks for joining me. Wanted to talk earlier in
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the week about the Ethan Crumley story, which of course has shifted now from
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Ethan to James and Jennifer Crumley, who I guess were sentenced for involuntary manslaughter,
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and I guess they could get ten to fifteen years based on what the
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final time that they serve will be. There's a lot to process in the
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story. It's one of those stories that I think some people hear it and
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they say, you know, yeah, somebody's got to be held accountable,
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and these kids are obviously somebody shows up at school and shoots up a school.
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People get angry. They want more than just that little slice of justice
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through a justice system. Understandably, you've lost a loved one, you've lost
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some sense of security, you've lost some sense of innocence, maybe your children
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that survived, Maybe just living in a town where this has happened, or
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near a town, or really anywhere in the country. Anytime we hear about
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a school shooting some sense of innocence feels lost, feels shattered, and we're
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all frustrated. Everyone is frustrated, following in some of our conversations from earlier
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in the week, where I've been just trying to relay the fact that there
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is certainly first and foremost for me my faith. In second place, a
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distant second to my faith, really is my politics. Some people put their
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politics ahead of their faith, and it's you know, they sort of mold
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their politics, mold their faith to fit their politics. We're seeing that in
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our president when it comes to abortion, a devout Catholic right, and that's
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certainly not something the Catholic Church would have ever stood for. I don't think
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it still does. I think some of them have just decided to do their
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own thing. But anyway, I can't speak on behalf of all Catholics.
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But when I say that, the part of me that aches and hurts on
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the inside is certainly the father, the Christian, the husband, the husband
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of someone who came from a country that you know, it's an island nation.
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That it was easy for them to say, and it wasn't, by
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the way, founded on the backs of militia and a war that was absolutely
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unwinnable fighting by the standards of war at the time. Let's just be honest
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here in America, so we have Certainly, guns are a big part of
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were founding. They're a big part of our life blood here. It's part
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of that essence. And I talked a little bit about the First Amendment yesterday,
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and the Second Amendment now comes into play with all of this, because
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you know, there's still people who say the guns have to go away,
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the a R guns, those assault rifles, which isn't what AR stands for,
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Armaalite rifles, but they say, oh, you got to get rid
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of them, they're dangerous. The Second Amendment that wouldn't apply today. Our
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founders, This isn't possibly what they would have meant. If we're going to
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talk about what the Founders meant with any of the things that they wrote and
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said, I certainly don't think the Founders would have done anything that would They
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would have definitely established early on we're not going to kill unborn children in some
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cases just for convenience. I feel confident in saying our founders wouldn't have supported
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that. But anyway, I can't speak on their behalf any more. Than
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I can speak on behalf of everyone on the issue of guns. But I
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think I've made my case many times here about the right to self protect.
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I was a concealed carry permit holder back when you needed that in Georgia.
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Still am. I guess technically I like having it for if I go to
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another state and I need it. But I do arm myself for protection.
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I'm thankful for every day that I don't need to use it to protect myself,
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and I pray that I never have to. I'd like to know that
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it never ever ever is fired in a case where I need to protect myself.
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That would bring me joy in my last days to know that I never
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had to fire it. Do I fire my weapons for practice? Yes?
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Do I shoot at targets? Yes? Do I feel I need to do
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that so that I'm ready? Am I getting to a point as my children
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get a little bit older where they need to know how to safely handle firearms
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ones. You can make a case that they're both there by the time I
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was twelve, I have a twelve year old. By the time I was
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twelve, I knew how to handle a gun safely. My kids, though
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we haven't gone shooting yet. They haven't shown much interest in it yet.
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But at some point we'll go and we'll at the very least talk about firearms
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safety. That's what we'll do. So I do have a wife that came
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from an island nation that said, we're going to cut out the guns here.
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We're going to care of make sure that those are not something that are
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easily accessible by criminals. We do occasionally hear about a handgun or whatever related
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crimes in countries that have taken away the guns. We do. You ever
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watch police dramas, You ever watch the Sherlock series from the BBC, You
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ever watch Luthers or great shows. By the way, criminals always seem to
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have guns. They always seem to have them in those shows. It's like
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you know they're going to get them, but they say, oh, that's
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just fiction. So in this case, we're talking about this horrific thing that
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we've had that's happened, that a school gets shot up by a very troubled
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kid, and now his parents have been sentenced and have found guilty, and
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they say that and this of course happened in Michigan. One of the I
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guess a sibling who I guess he himself was a survivor, but he had
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a sister who was killed. Apparently, Craig Scott is his name, and
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this was a Columbine survivor, and Craig Scott's his name. He did an
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interview on Fox and Friends yesterday morning, and I didn't see the interview,
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but I read some of the excerpts from it. He says, I speak
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at a lot of schools across the country and deal with emotional resilience and try
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to affect cultures of schools and students lives by inspiring kindness and resilience. And
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I think this is a bad and dangerous precedent to take the blame of a
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teenager who knew what he was doing was wrong. He had a dark motivation
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for wanting to be infamous, and now they're giving ten to fifteen years to
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the parents, and I think it's wrong. I agree. He also said,
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I think it removes responsibility out of the hands of the teenager. So
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I guess there's a few questions that we had because the kid was fifteen at
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the time of the shooting at Oxford High School in Michigan November twenty twenty one,
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killed four, injured seven others and was taken into custody. They say
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didn't show remorse in his trial. He just seemed to be very disconnected from
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the whole thing. So I guess the thing that I start to wonder.
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And they said there were signs that the parents actually bought the gun. He
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had drawings on some of his homework. They were called in. The parents
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apparently were very distracted. Look based on all of the information about the parents,
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they're not winning any parent of the Year awards. Okay, they're not.
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And I think it's very fair to be upset that the parents didn't do
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more. And often I think we have situations with shootings where we just we
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get frustrated that the family didn't do something. They didn't tell someone. Have
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you ever known someone personally that you think, eh, I hate to think
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this, but they certainly seem to have some element of strangeness or possibly darkness
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about them. I have Have I ever alerted authorities about the person? No?
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I haven't. Many of these things happened the people that I knew twenty
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years ago or more, and there were times when I thought maybe I should
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have said something. Maybe it would have been beneficial for authorities to know but
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what are they going to do. These people didn't do anything specifically. They
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just said things that didn't seem right. They did a few things it seemed
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off, but they didn't commit any crimes. They had odd interests. They
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had fascinations with dark things. They thought that some things. I remember there
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was one guy in particular, and I didn't know him well, but he
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was fixated with those videos of people dying or animals being killed. And I
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remember those faces of death. I remember they talked about those when I was
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a kid. I had new people that would say, we're going to watch
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these faces of death videos. Someone got a copy of them. I don't
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want to watch that. I don't have any interested in seeing that. Why
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would you want to see that? That's not in my interest. But the
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people I went to school with having a fascination with it back then, and
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I don't even remember who the people were. I remember I had classmates and
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people that I went to school with that talked about it. Today those people
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would probably be flagged. Hey, you got to keep an eye on these
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people. And there was someone that I knew about twenty years ago fixated on
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these things, and like the fact that they were readily available and easily accessible
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online. Did I tell anyone? No. I talked with other people who
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knew the guy, and they said, yeah, he says creepy stuff to
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me too. So I guess my question about this case, with these two
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parents that have now been convicted, is how far is this going to go?
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If this person that I'm talking about ends up committing a crime twenty thirty
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years later? Am I accountable because I didn't say something? I know I'm
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not his parent, But how far are we going to go with his parent?
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Thing? Who will be accountable? If someone doesn't speak up and say
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something, how accountable can they be? And let's talk about parents, Let's
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talk about grandparents. Let's talk about I mean, no one's gonna want to
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talk about this part of it, but let's talk about the parental figures or
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guardians of kids and gangs. What happens if your son or daughter joins a
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gang, or grandson or granddaughter, because in some cases we're talking about a
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grandparent who stepped in to be a guardian of a kid. What happens when
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they join a gang? What happens if you become aware that they're in a
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gang and you know that they're friends and some of them have guns, and
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you try to keep them away but you can't. And then you find out
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they're going to go shoot up a party and you try to talk them out
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of it, and they say no, I'm not going to do it,
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and then they go do it. Are you going to go to jail?
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Are they going to prosecute these parents and guardians and grandparents of gang members?
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Are they going to start prosecuting a husband or wife if they know that their
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spouse has been angry with one of their friends or an enemy or rival at
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work. How far can we go with this? I understand there's a desire
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for accountability. They want someone to be accountable more than this kid. They
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feel like the parents were irresponsible, and it sounds like they probably were.
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But were the parents ultimately responsible for the crime. Could they have been better
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parents? Sounds like it could these parents of these I don't know someone,
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and I'm just gonna fall back to let's just let's throw a hypothetical. Let's
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talk Chicago. Let's talk about the crime, the high black on black crime
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we hear about out of Chicago that happens all the time. Let's talk about
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crime here in Columbus. Let's talk about drug deals that go wrong. If
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a parent of a seventeen year old kid in Columbus, Georgia knows the kids
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dealing drugs, knows the kid carries a weapon because he's dealing drugs. If
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a drug deal goes south and he kills somebody or kills two or three people,
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is the parent going to be held responsible? Could the parent be held
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responsible? I realize we're talking about here in Georgia. I'm looking at a
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state like Illinois. That's why I brought up Chicago, because we know what's
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going on in Michigan. We know what goes on in Illinois. But let's
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talk about a liberal state that kind of wants to hold somebody accountable because they
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see a school shooting as an opportunity to say, well, these parents have
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to also be prosecuted. That's how we'll make it stop. Is it is
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that going to stop school shootings from happening? Is that this root source of
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school shootings? Or do we have a real need for mental health and people
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to make some sort of positive progress on mental health. See, we don't
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have empathy, we don't look out for each other anymore, we don't do
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that it's become a very envious society. We talked about that a few weeks
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ago. It's a society now of you have something, I don't have it.
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I want it, so I have to figure out how I can get
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it. I want what you have, and I don't like that you have
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it. Everyone should have it, or at the very least I should.
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I mean, that's the mindset of our society. That's what we deal with
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on a regular basis. So is it possible that every time now we have
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any sort of a mass shooting incident, they're going to be looking, many
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states will be looking how can we hold the parents accountable? And this has
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come up before, the discussion has come up before. This is the first
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time I guess we've had a conviction of this kind, and it's I think,
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a dangerous precedent. Does it surprise me that it happens in a state
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like Michigan. No? Not really. Do I think it's right? No?
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Do I think they're good parents based on the information I have? No?
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But again, I'm even uncomfortable sometimes saying that because I don't know what
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these people are dealing with. They certainly don't sound like good parents based on
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the description that we have, but honestly, where'd description come from? Everything
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comes through some sort of press, right, And I don't trust anything that
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they say anymore, most of them very little do I trust, very very
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little do I trust when they tell it to me? So it's hard to
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know. I was talking to a friend yesterday and she said, it's so
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hard just to know who to believe with any of these stories. You go
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to look for the info yourself and you just don't know, And that's absolutely
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the truth. You don't know. You start to get a few places that
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you can trust, but there's a lot of them I don't, and there's
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not many that I really fully trust. And it's always interesting, isn't it
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When you say this person on this network, I would never trust them,
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and they moved to another network that kind of fits the views that you think
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that they probably have. And yeah, it seems about right. So bad
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parents sounds like it. Irresponsible parents sounds like it. Do I understand the
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desire to have some sort of revenge on them? I get the desire.
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Is it actual justice or is this something that was carried out by one kid
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who had that dark side that did need mental health? But maybe we're talking
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about parents who didn't know how to give it to them. You look at
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the kid that joins the gang in Chicago, you probably have a guardian her
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parent there that doesn't know how to prevent that. There's obviously a lot of
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parents in Chicago that don't know how to prevent that. There's a lot of
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parents in Columbus that don't know how to prevent many of our theft and drug
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related crimes and murders that take place here. I had a friend who was
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in town this past weekend, an actor, one of the guys from The
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Walking Dead, and he was shocked to learn that we jokingly have people here
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that refer to Columbus as Kilumbus. And he thought, oh my gosh,
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I went walking on the riverwalk. Should I not have done that? I
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was like, you're fine on the riverwalk? Do I know one hundred percent
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he was fine on the riverwalk? I mean, we don't hear a lot
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of I don't know, I don't know all the I know where a lot
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of the crimes happen. I don't think most of them happen on the riverwalk.
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I think he should have been fine. Isn't that where Kevin Hart goes
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when he comes to Columbus, he runs on the riverwalk. I think he
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should be fine on the riverwalk, but that was not a fun exchange to
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have to have with someone who was visiting my hometown for the first time ever.
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Yeah, they call it Kilumbus. I didn't bring that up, by
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the way. Someone else did and he looked at me and went, really,
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yeah, some people do. Some people say it. There's a lot
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of parents that don't know what to do. They don't know how to prevent
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these things. Are they all accountable for the actions of their kids? Ultimately?
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More West Carol Morning Show right after the break have come in for the NCAA
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Championship games. The women's final game was on Sunday, South Carolina and Iowa.
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Caitlin Clark of course playing in that game, so this was a high
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profile game. Eighteen point eighty seven million viewers for that game. The men's
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game on Monday drew an audience of fourteen point sixty nine million, and of
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course the ratings jumped up and Clark was certainly a big part of that,
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but it was a ninety percent increase from the nine point two million who tuned
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in a year ago. So if they can continue to have a story that
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will draw in the audience, I just kind of anticipate. I mean,
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I hope, I hope the women's game pulls in a massive audience next season.
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I would hope that that would continue on. I don't know. I
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think they should probably brace themselves for a significant drop off. You know,
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I don't want to be the downer, but I just feel like I don't
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know that there's gonna be that kind of story. If they can find that
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kind of story every year, which you know, you're talking about a player
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who is a you know, generational thing. I don't know, we'll see.
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I don't want to be the big downer, all right. So we've
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talked about research about marijuana, about how it can cause dopamine changes in levels.
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There's been increased cases of schizophrenia. Those studies have been done, and
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more information continues to come in about that. Reasons to be concerned. However,
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here's a study that again on the other side, that says basically,
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this is a study from State University of New York up State Medical University.
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That's a lot of words. The State University of New York Upstate Medical union.
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All right, that's this like from the Department of Redundancy department. Well,
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they say that those who maybe that's a made up university, maybe they
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were stoned when they made up this whole story now that I'm thinking about it,
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because that sounds like something a stone person would make up. Anyway,
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they say that those who use recreational marijuana after the age of forty five had
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less risk of a subjective cognitive decline. Again, according to the study,
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this is after the age of forty five, so maybe all of the dopamine
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stuff kicks in if you're under forty five. Researchers found that those who used
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cannabis for non medical reasons hod to Wapping ninety six percent lower odds of cognitive
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decline compared to non users, even after adjusting for demographic, health and lifestyle
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factors. Basically, cannabis in middle age, they say can protect the brain,
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and researchers found that it was true whether it was in the form of
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smoking, vaping, or edibles. Now they say don't jump to any conclusions
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just yet, because researchers are cautioning this research is in the very early stages
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and there are more studies that need to be done. And there's also the
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dopamine thing. I mean, I understand you want to keep the you know,
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cognitive health as far as you know, you don't want to end up,
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you know, with dementia. You don't want to end up with those
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things. But you also don't want to end up you know, beautiful mind.
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That's all I'm saying. Uh. Springtime, that means road trips are
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starting to kick up. According to a new survey, it seems that when
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it comes to travel these days, seventy five percent said that they would rather
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drive than fly. Only twenty two percent of those who responded said that they
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would rather get to their vacation destination by flying. Road Trippers say the best
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things about traveling by car, seeing new landscapes, listening to music, getting
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a break from their routine, and enjoying the feeling of driving. All of
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those things are good. I like a good road trip. Most of the
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big travel things that we do, though, involve you know, going over
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water. Therefore we have to fly when we go to Australia. We pretty
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much that's the only way to do it. We're not taking a boat.
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We don't have that kind of time. So but yeah, no, I
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like a good road trip. I noticed they didn't mention BUCkies as one of
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the reasons that people like to drive in the car. Your partner can have
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a big effect on your health, both good and bad. According to a
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new study, when your partner isn't there for you, the stress can take
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a physical toll. Researchers from Binghamton University found a connection between emotionally unavailable spouses
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and higher levels of stress hormone cortisol and their partners. And as we know,
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stress reaks all kinds of havoc on our health. We found that wives
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who received support more negatively, as in rejecting help, felt less understood,
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validated, and cared for by their partner, which had a less stress amplifying
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effect. So basically increased across the interaction. It's a lot of words,
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but basically, if you have a supportive spouse, you probably have less stress.
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I think that's the summary of what they're saying. I say couples this
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According to the professor of psychology Richard Mattson, couples felt more understood, validated,
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and cared for when their partners showed positive support skills, and less so
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when they showed negative communication skills kind of seems obvious. I don't know that
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we needed a study to confirm this. Like, if your partner's a jerk
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and supports you, you probably have less stress, feel more validated. But
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hey, do the studies you gotta do. Study what you gotta study.
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That's all I'm saying. That'll do it for this Thursday edition of the show.
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