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M and M EXTRA June 24, 2026 | Democrat Socialist Uprising | Guthrie's Nightmare | Stage Door Stories · The M&M Experience

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  Speaker 2: a Wednesday. We got a lot of a lot to
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  Speaker 2: sink our teeth in today. I forgot the h to
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  Speaker 2: run by you. The funniest line I got from Megan,
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  Speaker 2: Megan McCain and Ben Dominic, the couple, theed, the married couple,
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  Speaker 2: They're on fire. Ben Dominic said, I shared with you
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  Speaker 2: his line that this Democrat, socialist Muslim takeover is happening.
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  Speaker 2: In America without most people even noticing it happened so quickly.
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  Speaker 2: Megan McCain had the classic line of the day. She wrote,
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  Speaker 2: the twenty twenty eight Democrat National Convention is going to
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  Speaker 2: be an absolute sideshow freak display like the bar scene
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  Speaker 2: in Star Wars on acid.
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  Speaker 3: And then.
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  Speaker 2: But then the second part of her post, which I
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  Speaker 2: think is pretty pretty important, and she's right, congratulations to
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  Speaker 2: future president J. D. Vance Mark. I'm telling you, I'm
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  Speaker 2: optimistic that they might be crowing right now, all these
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  Speaker 2: mom Donnie back socialists and communists sweeping the New York primaries.
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  Speaker 2: They might have won the battle, but I think the
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  Speaker 2: Democrats are going to lose the war. Am I wrong
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  Speaker 2: to be optimistic?
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  Speaker 1: Well?
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  Speaker 3: No, I mean, as long as you remind ourselves that
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  Speaker 3: it's June and there's a lot left to come. And
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  Speaker 3: it depends on two things. And that is whether this
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  Speaker 3: rise of socialist is just kind of an affectation of
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  Speaker 3: the primary season, or if there's enough behind it, if
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  Speaker 3: there are enough people who feel this way and vote
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  Speaker 3: this way that it poses a real threat. I think
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  Speaker 3: that's a long bridge to cross, and I don't think so.
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  Speaker 3: I do not believe this is the flip side of
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  Speaker 3: what's happening in Republican Land, where a more turned up
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  Speaker 3: MAGA friendly trumpified red meat conservatism is making our party better.
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  Speaker 3: The converse of that, the Democrats going all in full
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  Speaker 3: socialist communist. I think that's to their detriment. And I
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  Speaker 3: still think there's a body of Democrat voting America that
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  Speaker 3: they don't have to be old enough to remember JFK
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  Speaker 3: to be more fond of John Fetterman than they are
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  Speaker 3: of Zorn Mamdani.
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  Speaker 2: The mistake that we will make, I think, is to
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  Speaker 2: just dismiss this as just a New York problem. This
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  Speaker 2: isn't just New York. Our buddy, Scott Jennings made a
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  Speaker 2: very profound point on CNN last night with Anderson Cooper.
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  Speaker 2: This was before it was revealed that it was before
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  Speaker 2: all the election the results came out. So this was
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  Speaker 2: before knowing that mom Donnie had a socialist sweep, right,
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  Speaker 2: all of all three of his candidates won for three
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  Speaker 2: three for three. But here's Scott Jennings telling Anderson in
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  Speaker 2: the panel what it would mean if that would happen
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  Speaker 2: if all three won. Check out what Scott said on CNN.
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  Speaker 4: If the socialists win I agree with They're going to
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  Speaker 4: feel like they have the wind at their back. You're
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  Speaker 4: going to see Mom Donnie inspire candidacies across the country
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  Speaker 4: you already are. Michigan is a great example. There's a
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  Speaker 4: Senate primary going on there, and I think abdul Lsi
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  Speaker 4: it is a in that he has a great chance
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  Speaker 4: to win. He's exactly like these socialist candidates in New
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  Speaker 4: York City. It's not just confined to a few districts here.
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  Speaker 4: It is spreading already, and if they win, you're going
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  Speaker 4: to see this inspiration for these kinds of candidacies across
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  Speaker 4: the country. The implications for the Democratic Party out there
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  Speaker 4: for twenty twenty eight are vast.
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  Speaker 3: He's right, is any mark, He's completely right, And I
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  Speaker 3: think the phenomenon here makes minus Killet and thank you.
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  Speaker 3: I think the phenomenon here is the let me make
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  Speaker 3: up some numbers that seem good in my gut. The
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  Speaker 3: percentage of the Democrat Party that feels this way and
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  Speaker 3: is on board for this is about twenty five percent. However,
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  Speaker 3: of that twenty five percent, their voting turnout is like
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  Speaker 3: ninety nine. I mean, it's not that much of the
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  Speaker 3: Democrat Party, but they're a portion of the party that
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  Speaker 3: will crawl on broken glass and walk through fire to
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  Speaker 3: elect their lunatic standard bearers. So it's going to be
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  Speaker 3: a thing. And I think it's a thing we could
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  Speaker 3: turn around to our great advantage if we play this smart.
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  Speaker 2: I do too, I, I and I I'm just gonna
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  Speaker 2: have to be cautiously optimistic that you're right that it's
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  Speaker 2: about twenty five percent. Can I can I share with
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  Speaker 2: you my brush with greatness. I've been a cul I've
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  Speaker 2: been a Kelsey Grammar fan since uh since Cheers and
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  Speaker 2: Fraser Crane there's He's so good and and big Broadway
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  Speaker 2: star and I I saw him. I saw Fraser. I
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  Speaker 2: saw Fraser Crane. I saw Kelsey Grammer in a show
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  Speaker 2: on on Broadway. I don't even remember which one it was.
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  Speaker 2: I think it might have been Lakaja Foe, or it
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  Speaker 2: may have been uh No, it was Finding never Land.
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  Speaker 2: He was he was the I played. He played a
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  Speaker 2: character in Finding never Land. Anyway, I was walked as
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  Speaker 2: if as the show was over. I was hanging out
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  Speaker 2: with friends and we walked by the stage door. And
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  Speaker 2: in New York City, there's a Broadway tradition it's the
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  Speaker 2: stage door where the stars come out after a performance.
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  Speaker 2: And they they used to sign autographs. Now they have
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  Speaker 2: to pose for selfies. Everybody wants a selfie, but there's
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  Speaker 2: usually a big crowd depending on how big the star is,
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  Speaker 2: waiting for them. They've got barricades put up outside the door,
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  Speaker 2: and the star has to take And I've got friends
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  Speaker 2: in Broadway shows, and look, signing after a show is
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  Speaker 2: a thing have they got to commit to, Like they
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  Speaker 2: know that they're gonna have to add about thirty minutes
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  Speaker 2: and you know, and you got to give them credit.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they've worked eight shows a week. They're tired,
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  Speaker 2: they want to go home. It's eleven o'clock at night.
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  Speaker 2: They've just poured their heart and soul into the show.
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  Speaker 2: But then they stand and meet the fans, and it's
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  Speaker 2: just part of it. It's part of the process. Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: I see Kelsey Grammar in a show as I'm walking
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  Speaker 2: down the sidewalk after the show. Now, i may love theater,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm not a stage door a stage door show.
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  Speaker 3: I was gonna say it was this pure happenstance, or
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  Speaker 3: it was a total happenstance.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I don't do that. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: a groupie. I'm not that bad. I like it, but
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  Speaker 2: I don't like it that much. Anyway, I'm walking by
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  Speaker 2: the stage door. Well, there were only a few people
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  Speaker 2: left for Kelsey Grammer to sign because he had been
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  Speaker 2: there for a while by the time. Ike was coming
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  Speaker 2: down forty fifth Street or whatever street it was. Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: he looks up and he says, I know you, Mike Gallagher.
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  Speaker 2: He goes, you've lost a lot of weight. Congratulations, And
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  Speaker 2: I'm thinking, and I had. I was right after I
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  Speaker 2: had done the PhD program. I lost a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: Fraser Crane knows min now how I mean. It's not
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  Speaker 2: mysterious really, just from U. From just that almost makes
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  Speaker 2: the milkshake worth it, don't that. Come on, Watson, we'll
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  Speaker 2: shake on your head when Fraser recognizes you. So here
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  Speaker 2: was Fraser last night Kelsey Grammar with Jesse Waters talking
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  Speaker 2: about this amazing thing. We're watching the socialism that it
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  Speaker 2: seems to be sweeping the country. And that's the narrative
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  Speaker 2: that this is sweeping the country. Socialism is taking over
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  Speaker 2: in New York, maybe Maine, maybe Michigan, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: and we ought to be we ought to be concerned,
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  Speaker 2: we ought to be deeply concerned. But Kelsey Grammer, channeling
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  Speaker 2: you a little bit, says, Ah, there's not really all
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  Speaker 2: that many people involved.
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  Speaker 5: There is a you know, a virus that has infected
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  Speaker 5: some a very small number of people, I think, who
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  Speaker 5: just want to tear things down there there they've been
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  Speaker 5: consumed by hatred, and of course hatred ends up basically destroying.
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  Speaker 3: You, so, you know, go welcome to it.
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  Speaker 5: I pray for them, I pray for everyone to find,
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  Speaker 5: you know, a decent sentiment in their hearts about this
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  Speaker 5: country and about the people who run it these days,
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  Speaker 5: and about those who love it, because it's worth loving.
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  Speaker 5: And it's great that we're being given this chance to
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  Speaker 5: see it in the eyes of so many of our
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  Speaker 5: of our European fellows and South American fellows, and that
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  Speaker 5: there's this whole idea of out of many, we are
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  Speaker 5: one is one of the greatest things in the world.
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  Speaker 5: It's it's by definition a diverse nation, but we have
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  Speaker 5: a unifying concept that everybody's worth reaching for the moon
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  Speaker 5: and America will.
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  Speaker 3: Help you do it, oh man, I mean I'm so
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  Speaker 3: glad you did that. Because I knew he was going
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  Speaker 3: to be on, I didn't get a chance to see it.
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  Speaker 3: So now I kind of have Kelsey Grammer. I look
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  Speaker 3: is seventy one looks great. Whatever he's doing, we should
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  Speaker 3: all be doing it. And just a national treasurer because
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  Speaker 3: of his rarity. Can he maybe give a buzz to
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  Speaker 3: his old co star Ted Danson and try to spread
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  Speaker 3: some of that around around that community. And it was
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  Speaker 3: kind of he had a little World Cup flavor in there.
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  Speaker 3: Because I listen, I don't give too many rips about soccer,
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  Speaker 3: but when World Cup comes around, I root for USA.
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  Speaker 3: And I said, okay, I'm going to root for America.
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  Speaker 3: And we're doing great, by the way, already made the
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  Speaker 3: knockout round of thirty two. But I'm sitting there watching
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  Speaker 3: Ghana and England last night and a scoreless tie, and
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  Speaker 3: I'm excited. It's like, what's the matter with me? What
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  Speaker 3: is happening? And I'm just I hooked like a trout.
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  Speaker 3: And the one of the main storylines is all these
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  Speaker 3: foreigners coming to America loving a Ma more than democrats do.
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  Speaker 3: And here comes America's birthday, so let's bring those two
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  Speaker 3: stories together. All these people who are already here loving America.
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  Speaker 3: It's easy to come here. Love the Washington Monument, love
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  Speaker 3: the Grand Canyon. They love BUCkies, they love Texas barbecue ribs,
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  Speaker 3: they love American highways, and every single one of them
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  Speaker 3: who sticks around long enough to follow their team of choice,
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  Speaker 3: they're going to be here on the fourth of July
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  Speaker 3: to see this country that they've suddenly found to be
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  Speaker 3: so great celebrating its two hundred and fiftieth birthday. It's
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  Speaker 3: just it's I'm sensing the summer. We talked about this
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  Speaker 3: seminary between World Cup and in New York and the
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  Speaker 3: Knicks victory made everybody feel good, all kinds of other
• 10:44
  Speaker 3: cool things that are happening. There's just a I know,
• 10:48
  Speaker 3: there's a lot to be upset about and a tricky
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  Speaker 3: war we got to navigate, but there are a lot
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  Speaker 3: of lanes to occupy here that are about optimism and
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  Speaker 3: patriotism and the feeling that America is back. I think
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  Speaker 3: there's a lot of positive to cling to if you
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  Speaker 3: just go looking for it. Well, I'll give you a
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  Speaker 3: little negative.
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  Speaker 2: I have to admit I cringe when somebody says I
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  Speaker 2: realize you just told me you watched a scoreless tie?
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• 11:44
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• 11:47
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  Speaker 2: And this is show business in a way, it's television.
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  Speaker 2: It's the heartbreaking saga of Savannah Guthrie and her precious mother.
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  Speaker 2: And this horrible, horrible story made more news this week.
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  Speaker 2: There was reporting about the ransom notes. I mean, look,
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  Speaker 2: this is a creepy, awful story. This poor woman, this
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• 14:19
  Speaker 2: his face all covered up and he got to the
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  Speaker 2: front porch and they abducted her. That she has been
• 14:27
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• 14:30
  Speaker 2: Today Show anchor Savannah Guthrie. It was I want to
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  Speaker 2: play this. It was so heartbreaking. But there was news
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  Speaker 2: about the ransom notes and how apparently the ransom notes
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: were revealed to say that she's definitely dead, that she
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: has been buried with nature. So they presume she was
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  Speaker 2: buried in the desert. No apology, no remorse. It was
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  Speaker 2: so peculiar because these emails were coming from somebody who
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  Speaker 2: wanted crypto, and they wanted.
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  Speaker 3: Like a two million dollars right to a crypto address.
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  Speaker 2: Right, and so, but they I don't think the police
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  Speaker 2: have made any progress whatsoever.
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  Speaker 3: Run. You're totally right there. No lead has yielded anything.
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  Speaker 3: This was February right when when she was is that
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  Speaker 3: one I was, I think I'll look and as you,
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  Speaker 3: as true crime Mike knows, the first days, the first
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  Speaker 3: hours are so important. And as days turned into weeks,
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  Speaker 3: nobody wanted to say it, but we all had a
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  Speaker 3: voice in our head that said, she's dead. Come on, man,
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  Speaker 3: she's not going to get found. Even though you hoped
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  Speaker 3: for the best, and you certainly thought and knew that
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  Speaker 3: her family hoped for the best. I assume what you
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  Speaker 3: got is her on the set with the Today Show
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  Speaker 3: talking about this, and let's let me lead up to
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  Speaker 3: that in the following, because I saw this and I'm
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: glad you're sharing it because I just want to pray
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  Speaker 3: for them and for that family and maybe still for
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  Speaker 3: the miracle. But apparently there were two ransom notes. The
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  Speaker 3: first one said we have her and we'd like two
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  Speaker 3: or four million dollars whatever via crypto. The second one
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  Speaker 3: they didn't reveal what it said. But after that the
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  Speaker 3: Savannah and the family started their their phraseology kind of changed,
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  Speaker 3: not like we want to see her again and you know,
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  Speaker 3: bring her. Everybody's like we're praying for her recovery. It's
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  Speaker 3: like they knew that they'd been told in that second
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  Speaker 3: ransom note that the content of that note was that
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  Speaker 3: she died and we buried her. Well, So I can't
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  Speaker 3: imagine what it was like for her. I can't imagine
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  Speaker 3: what it was like for her to come back to work,
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  Speaker 3: which she ultimately did. What was she going to do
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  Speaker 3: is stay on the couch forever? So she came back
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  Speaker 3: to work some weeks ago, and then all this happens,
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  Speaker 3: which I guess brings us to the current name, and
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  Speaker 3: you're right.
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  Speaker 2: She was abducted on February first, So that's when Savannah
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  Speaker 2: Guthrie's mother and Nancy went missing. Here was Savannah this
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  Speaker 2: week in this heartbreaking segment on NBC's Today Show.
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  Speaker 6: You know, I don't have any comment on the story
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  Speaker 6: and not involved in our coverage, but I can't pretend
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  Speaker 6: I'm not here since I am. I wanted to just
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  Speaker 6: take the opportunity to ask people to really to beg
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  Speaker 6: people to come forward. Somebody knows something. And this is
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  Speaker 6: a new story today that is on your radar. But
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  Speaker 6: this is the life that my sister lives, that I live,
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  Speaker 6: that my brother lives, that our extended families live, that
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  Speaker 6: our children live every day, and we are in agony.
• 17:21
  Speaker 6: We cannot be at peace. So now how much I
• 17:25
  Speaker 6: try to come out here every day and smile and
• 17:27
  Speaker 6: find that joy, and I will, I promise I will.
• 17:30
  Speaker 6: This is a moment to tell you that we need
• 17:33
  Speaker 6: your help. We're begging for your help, and I'm not
• 17:35
  Speaker 6: going to miss that opportunity. And so please, if you're watching,
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: no matter how small the reward is, there you can
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: tell us. It can be anonymous. Please do the right
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: thing for us, for our family, for our children, and
• 17:49
  Speaker 6: we love our mom and we will never stop looking
• 17:51
  Speaker 6: for her.
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: Never gosh, no mind.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: And you know, you and I can relate to this
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: as broadcasters because some people, if you have such a
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: horrible personal tragedy like that, you can kind of disappear
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: from public view. You can just get like you said,
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: stay on the couch, you know, if you're if you're
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: not working, but look, you've got a job. You've got
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: to make a living. In her case, there had to
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: be a day when she returned to some semblance of normalcy.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: I got an email from a listener in Arizona last
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: night before last who asked me if I saw that
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: clip and asked me to ask you on the podcast,
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: have you ever experienced not without obviously without getting into
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: anything specific, but have you ever experienced a trauma or
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: a personal tragedy or some kind of massive personal event
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: in your life? Yet you had to go in front
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: of that microphone, You had to show up at that
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: radio station, and you had to pretend like everything was
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: hunky dory, like Savannah has been trying to do.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: Have you been through that, ever been that through that journey?
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: Market I've done shows for forty some years, we both have.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: And so the short answer is yeah, you know, without
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: you know, going into specifically what they might do. That
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: was that was kind of the whole point. Yeah, it's
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: what's it like running into her in the hall? You know, hey,
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: can I get you something? I mean? And what is
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: she and what actually is she asking for? What is
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: is she? Is she specifically now if she believes, as
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: we all kind of do, that her mom is no
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: longer you know with us? Are they looking for a
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: phone call that says, hey, you know, we'll leave you
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: a map where she's buried. Is that the thing that
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: brings closure? It probably is. But to the question you've
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: asked me, and I'm trying to remember what it was
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: like for you, how okay? The short answer from me
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: and then more detailed from you. There is something And
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: again we're not talking about like nine to eleven or
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: world events, or we're talking about things in our personal
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: life that people would not know if we did not
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: tell them. But some trauma that happens of the type
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: that will happen in life, death of a family member,
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: you know, whatever, whatever, But there is something about this.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: There's something about I don't know if you view it
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: this way, but a lot of people who do this
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: for a living where is it is the ultimate and
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: compartmentalization where maybe something absolutely dreadful did happen to you
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: and maybe it was yesterday. The ability to put a
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: pin in that come in, sit in a room like
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: this and talk about stuff with listeners and cover stuff
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: in the news is like therapy. It's like a tonic.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: Not only does it like oh I can't do this
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: show because of what happened yesterday, it's like, thank god
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: I have a show where I can forget what happened yesterday.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: Does that resonate at all?
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: It does because the only thing the way I can
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: relate to it. And I'm with you after doing decades
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: of this for a living. I mean, there's things you
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: have in your life. Your kid might be going through something.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: In my case very personal, but I don't mind sharing.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: My wife was dying in my house and I had
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: a studio set up in Keller where I was doing
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: the daily show. Denise really wanted me near her, and
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: we thought, well, I can't take a leave of absence.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, how long can I be away from work?
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: There are people rely on me and count on me.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: And you know, it's a business. She knew that too.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: So the compromise was we had a studio. I mean,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: first of all, the house was just her dream house.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: We built this house that was just going to be
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: the place where we grew oled together in and every
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: inch of it was her and me. We put in
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: bells and whistles. It was a beautiful home in Keller.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: We had a wonderful guy named Phil Chaffins who built
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: it for us. He's a great builder in the Keller,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Texas area. And it was just a gorgeous home. And
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: she just loved that home so much. There is some
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: comfort that I take in knowing that she went through
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: her last, her last days in that beautiful home that
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: she was so proud of and that she designed and all.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: And so I was set up in the.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Little library there, and it probably was two months, it
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: was weeks, It was a long time. And what I
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: would do is she would be in the bed in
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: our bedroom. I would be down the hall in the
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: library doing the show, and then I would go into
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: a commercial break and then run down the hall, check
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: on her, talk to her, then run back to the
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: to the library and she was so glad I was nearby.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Now there and you were so glad you were nearby. Yeah,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: but any other but no, but it was heard. It
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: was horrible. It was it was really agonizing, and and
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: I didn't view it as therapy. I viewed it as
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: having the concentration that you have to put into that
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: because you're talking like nothing's wrong in your life, let's
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: talk politics, how's your day?
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: Happy is here?
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: And my wife is dying and down the hall, and
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: so I get it. I get the idea of how
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: off hard it would. Just my heart goes out to
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: her and the Today Show, you know, you got to
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: be chippy and you're good morning, and now it's the
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: weather going to be in the Playing States and your
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: your heart is broken, and I just feel so bad
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: for her.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: Mark.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: I just my heart goes out to the Guthrie fam
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: And isn't it wild? How that was all we were
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: talking about for days and days and weeks and all
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: of a sudden story just went away.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: You and I talked about talking about it. It's like,
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: at what point do we stop talking about this? At
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: what point does it stop leading the news? At what
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: point does it leave the news altogether? At what point
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: do we reach it kind of a consensus that she's
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: probably not coming back. And I guess it was just
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: kind of an organic process, a tragic and organic process.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: So now and it's this doesn't get any better. Does
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: somebody think that anyone? Because there's no money in it
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: for anybody. If she if, if she indeed died, And
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: pretty quickly I'm given to understand the phone's going to
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: ring and it's like, hey, Nancy, here here the GPS
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: coordinates are where your mom is. Does anybody think that's
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: going to happen? I pray that whatever the I pray
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: that it does if that's the best pardon the use
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: of that term best case scenario. Now, just to give
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: these people some peace, I really really hope that it happens.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Let's just all pray for the family and that there
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: is a resolution someday and just just pray for their
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: for God's comfort and healing during what is a very
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: very tough chapter in their lives.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: All right, what was your rabbit while about that? I
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: actually I have a rabbit hole before a rabbit hole,
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: because in talking about the doing shows and what you
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: go through a doing shows, there was a moment in
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: this morning's where I asked you something you recoiled with
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: delicious tension that made me even more intrigued. And I said,
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: and I didn't quite know whether it was a bit
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: or whether it was something you just really didn't want
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: to go into. He said, no, ask me in the podcast.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: And so I'm going to now And it doesn't really
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: strike me as all that incendiary a question. So here
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: it is. You have well chronicled the notion of what
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: happened in South Carolina where the Lieutenant Governor Pamela Evatt
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: and Alan Brainfart Wilson. Yes, Alan Wilson beat her like
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: a drum. And what President Trump had done is he
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: had endorsed her, and then realized, you know what, I
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: like both these people. If Trump endorses just one person,
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: it's a total you know, the middle finger to the
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: other person. So he said, I don't want to do
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: that to Alan Wilson, So I'm going to do the
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: duel endorsement. And you Nostradama said he would do that.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: A lot of people said, oh, he'll never do that,
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: and he did. And I okay, question number one leading
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: up to the tense moment, that may not be that
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: tense a moment. If Trump had not endorsed, you think
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: she would have won or he just would have won
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: by less well.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: I first of all, I'm I'm fascinated by the way
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: you have put lipstick on this pig. You have gussied
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: this up. Let me let me share with the audience.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Let me pull the curtain back and share what Mark
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Davis did. Mark Davis just characterized the dual endorsement as well,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: I endorsed one of them, but then I thought about it,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: and they were really both good, and I just decided
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: to both endorse both of them.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: Mark, That ain't happened.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: He endorsed Pamela Evatt, and in his endorsement a month
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: or so ago, he added in the endorsement a very
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: unfortunate addendum. He said she was likely going to pick
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: as her running mate Henry McMaster junior, the governor's son,
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: the governor's son, which suggested to South Carolinians this was
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: a kind of a back room, sleazy, quid pro quo deal.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: You get me the endorsement, mister president, I'll pick your
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: close ally Henry McMaster's son as and he should have
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: he put that in the and nobody to this day
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: knows why he added that in that post. Believe me,
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: the EVIDT people were like, oh no, Lord, God, no,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: don't put that in there. Well, when he did that,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: her poll numbers cratered. She started get she just dropped
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: like a rock in the polling. Well then so after
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: her numbers cratered and after the polling went into the toilet,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Trump comes along the other day, right on the eve
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: of the runoff, and says, you know what, I'm going
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: to endorse them both. They're both great. I love Pamela Evatt,
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: I love Alan Wilson. I'm endorsing both of them. So Mark,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: with all due respect, and you know I love you
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: like a brother. It wasn't quite an altruistic Oh. I
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: just decided to endorse them both because I just felt goodness.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: In my heart. Is a big middle finger to her.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: That's right, Well, it was not really a middle finger.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Well wound up part of my French. She got screwed.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: She got screwed bigger. She got screwed by the unfortunate
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: mention of Henry McMaster junior in his original endorsement, and
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: then when he endorsed both of them, that gave South
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Carolinians permission, if you will, to vote for Alan Wilson
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: so that he would win in the landslide that he
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: wound up Winny.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: So what I okay in there somewhere because I appreciate
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: the background on that if he had not, if he
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: if he had not made that double endoororsement, Alan Wilson
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: still would have won. Don't you think? I do not think.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: I don't know that.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: I think she certainly had a better chance of winning
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: had he not done the dual endorsement.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: Oh now, and maybe not maybe not fair enough. A
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: Trump endorsement is a very very powerful thing. No, no, no,
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: no doubt. I don't know if it's a forty point thing.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: But but okay, but here's the question that made you
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: dive under the table this morning. Let's see if it
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: has the same effect. Now. I said, is it possible
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: that part of Trump's logic was and I think I
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: know the answer now because of the story you've just told,
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: which makes sense that that Trump saw that Alan Wilson
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: was gaining steam and that maybe she wasn't going to win,
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: and so he just didn't want to have the headline
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: this morning be that another you know that voters went
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: against another Trump endorsement. He wanted to cast the broad
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: net and say I'm gonna endorse him both that way,
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: no matter what happens, my endorsed candidate won. Do you
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: think there's was that part of the logic, that's one
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: hundred percent the logic that was the motivation?
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: Hurt?
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: Hurt.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: It does hurt because it's kind of a Look, I
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: got to say it as a Trump supporter. It was
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: kind of a crappy thing for him to do. I'm
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: sorry why, he's very transactional. Don't we say, oh, he's transactional?
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: All right, I don't want to. I don't want to
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: endorse the candidate who's gonna lose, so now I'm gonna
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: screw her and endorse the other guy too. No, it
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: was a it was a bad It was a rough thing. Look,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: that's who he is. I told Joey Hudson, you talked
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: to you, joked about Nostra damas. I told Joey when
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: this was first rumored, Well, there was a rumor that
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: this could happen. Joey said, Trump would never do something
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: that stupid. Never in a million years would he be
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: that crazy. I said, Joey, do you know him. He's
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: capable of doing this, He's that's a very trumpy and
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: kind of.
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: A thing to do.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: It was and it was neither stupid nor crazy. Is
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: there anybody well, let me ask you this, is there
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: anybody in South Carolina? Is there anybody in America? Because
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: your take has merit, but because it just does explained it? Well,
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: is there anybody really holding this against him? Is there
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: anybody in America or even in the Palmetto State walking
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: around going oh, that was a real sob thing for
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: Trump to do, Other than Pamela eviatt fans, I don't know.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, there were listeners who called from South Carolina
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: who just agreed that it was pretty crappy. But but looks,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: but Trump being Trump, He's going to do what he
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: wants to do. And are there consequences? Not really, not
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: from the base. I mean, I think we just accept
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: that he's unconventional. Look, this is not the complimentary way
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: to put this is this is not what a conventional
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: politician would have done. They wouldn't just do a dual
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: endorsement just to kind of hedge their bets. He was
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: hedging his bets, is what he was doing. That's not
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: a conventional thing to do. Well, guess what, he's not
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: a conventional politician, and that's why we love. I mean,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: so that's I don't know that. I don't know that
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: it hurt him at all.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: Here was the other thing that dovetails back to your store, Yes,
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: yes it did. This dovetail's back to your story of
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: the Broadway stage door. So as you've described that tradition
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: after having listen, not everybody has to do that. If
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: you're in a Broadway play and you just want no
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: part of that and there's some other door you can
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: slink out of and avoid the public completely, they do that.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: In fact, I've got a friend right now who's a
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: big star in a Broadway production, a big epic Broadway musical,
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: and she there are nice. When she's so exhausted and
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: she her voice is going out and she's tired, there's
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: another entrance that she goes out through the opposite side
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: of the theater where she can sneak out and nobody
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: knows that she left.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: Do the fans who do the stage door thing, do
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: they have an expectation, maybe even almost not an entitlement,
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: but an expectation that the stars will come out, and
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: if they don't, they're conspicuous by their absence. It's like, oh,
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: that's kind of crappy.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: So the stage door, the stage door manager will tell
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: the crowd, sorry, miss Smith isn't coming out tonight. We apologize,
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: but she's not going to be here, and they at
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: least at least they let him know. Look, I mean,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: you think about some of the people with real star quality.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: I mean there's some big movie stars that occasionally do
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Broadway shows. It's a big deal. And I love the
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: It's kind of a quaint tradition where you get to
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: actually pose for a selfie or get something signed by
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: a big star because you're waiting like a like a
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: dope for maybe an hour after a show by the
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: stage door, and it's it's it's a cool tradition.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: I love them. I love watching the process. Just I'm
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: sure it's okay, Okay, who's the biggest star that you're
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: aware of who has actually come out and signed stuff
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: or done selfies at the stage door of a Broadway show.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: Here she was in al Pacino. Uh but yep, al
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: Pacina talk about the definition of not having to do it,
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: and that says wonderful things about him, doesn't it well?
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: And I think that when you do, when you commit
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: to a theatrical show, you know that's part of the
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: that's part of the condition, that's just part of the tradition.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Oh no, they're all I mean. You think about Alec
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Baldwin and uh Al Pacino and Dustin Hoffman, a ton
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: of huge movie stars that go through that. Now, the
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: guy Jerry Lewis that with Jerry Lewis was in Dan
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Yankees and he and he was not He was a
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: little cranky in life as we are totally.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: Have you seen some of those Jerry Lewis interviews, the
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: famous one where every single answer is one word Nope.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: He did not suffer fools and he was a real
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: He was a diva in the old school sense, I think,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: And there were and I was told that he rarely,
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: if ever, would sign. He would he always come out
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: the proverbial back entrance and would not shine autographs.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: So if somebody really big comes out the stage door,
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: ostensibly you could imagine that there could be hundreds of people.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: There is there an obligation to sign every last thing,
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: or at some point, if you're a Pacino and you've
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: signed one hundred things and there's still one hundred more people.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: You go, I'm sorry, that's it, I gotta go.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: They they often will just go down the line. They
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: got a sharpie in their hand and they go as
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: quick as they can go. And they've got it down
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: to a science. But no, they pretty much try to
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: sign everybody's program, their playbill or post. For the selfie
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: era has kind of complicated. It makes it a long
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: what it used to be you could just put your
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: signature on a playbill and move on.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: And your signature is not going to be a L
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: P A C I N O with a flourish it's
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: gonna be and right, sign seven hundred things and have
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: it be that scroll. Then sign twenty things and have
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: it be a detailed signature. And the selfie element is
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: what brings me to the actual thing I wanted to
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: run by you. So here we go. Here in the
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: selfie era, if somebody is giving of themselves at the
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: stage door or actually anywhere airport, public thing, big public person,
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: big star, if somebody is willing to stop for a
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: few seconds and sign something, and if the selfie is
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: the new autograph, is it one and the same is
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: it would you think it's weird if somebody said I'll
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: do autographs. Are they're willing to do it, but I'm
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: not going to do selfies.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Well, it's funny you mentioned that because I don't. I
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: don't get recognized very often anymore. Now that I'm not
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: doing Fox regularly, more and more people are watching Salem
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: News Channel. Hopefully more important people will see the podcast.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: But I get recognized. I don't know about you, but
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: maybe once a week, maybe maybe once or twice a
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: month or every other week. So i'ming hey, Mike, going
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: especially going through airports, TSA. Agents always seem to know me. Uh,
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: airport people know me. I like saying to somebody who
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: comes up and no, I'm not begging out they want
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: an autograph, but I will say, hey, do you have
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: your cell phone? Let's take a selfie, because sometimes they
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: don't want to ask. I will they don't want to ask,
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: or they don't think of it.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: No, everybody's got a phone. They've all gotten one, right,
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: everybody's got on your phone. Let's do a picture. And
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: they're delighted, aren't they, and they all they love it.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: They're like, oh yeah, well, they don't normally even think
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: about it, and I always feel a little stupid because
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: I'm like, well, you know what if they don't want.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: If you get other phants, we'll do a selfie. No,
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: I'm good, No, I'm all right, I'm good. Thank you.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: That has happened to me occasionally I'm like, oh great,
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: oh good goodness.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: But I like that.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: I like taking selfies with people and I do too.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: And because we can do it and it's one or
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: two or seven or twelve or thirteen people or whatever,
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: Elizard Bobo, it's within reason and it doesn't take hours.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: There is But let me focus on that for just
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: a minute before we set by. Yeah, I still have
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: gotten to my actual question. It's a question, but no story.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: We get there, but it must I experience I haven't
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: experienced every year with these listener cruises, where you know
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: what it's like to be really famous. In other words,
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: you're on a cruise ship. You got three or four
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: hundred people that are there for you, and the people
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: that's the point.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: You're the point.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: But everywhere you go, Hey, Mike, come here, sit down, Mike. Hell,
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: let's have a piece of juicecake. Mike. Hey, Mike, let's
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: go to the midnight but fet Hey Mike, let's go
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: to the let's go to the casino.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: Hey Mike, what's your Candon number? Right?
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, I've had people ask me that and and oh yeah, no,
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: I mean it's a you gotta put your do they
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: have a do not disturb on the phone because there
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: were people that ring the room and I always, while
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it, it's kind of a tricky week because
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: you don't have any time alone, you don't have any
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: time where people aren't coming up to you. And which again, look,
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: they paid money to come to the cruise. We got
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: we got over three hundred people now signed up for
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: the big Gulf of America cruise. And there's still room.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: So if you want to have me shun you join us.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: The text words cruise to nine four eight seven eight and.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: Get out of the way, right gracious graciousness.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: No, I love it, but but it does remind that week.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: It makes me feel sorry for truly famous people because
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: you think about it, Mark, think about people that you.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: It never stops.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: They don't go how do they go to the grocery store,
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: how do they go to a movie? How do they
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: go to the mall? I don't know that they ever
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: do they ever leave the house, because who go through that?
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: But they don't need normal lives.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: I mean if herd Troy Aikman say, you know, like
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: I have, I can't go to a movie like everybody
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: else goes to a movie. And speaking of athletes, of
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: this my famous Dion Sanders story where he went and said,
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: if I was out Christmas shopping for toys, I was
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: out Christmas shopping with my daughters, and I've got three choices.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna get mobbed. So I can either say, get
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: away from me, in which case I'm an asshole, or
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: I can have security around me, in which case I'm
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: an asshole. Or I can stand there and sign things
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: for three hours while my daughter's stand there and in
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: which case I'm a terrible dad. Those are my choices.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: And he always said, don't play violin music for me
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: because of wealth and fame. And I'm just telling you
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: that's what's involved.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: So finally mine, waitnue, wait minute, what did Troy Aikman
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: do if he can never go to the movie. Did
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: he never go to the movies? Does he never go
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: to the movies, or does he rent out the theater?
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: I don't in the twenty twenty six don't you have
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: a link sent to you where you can run it
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: on your own three hundred inch TV at that house?
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Maybe I would think, because they don't, they must not
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: live lives the way the rest of us live lives.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: And speaking of somebody who is totally does this is
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: with the ultimate final destination of where my whole selfie
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: story was going. Ok there is someone who has said,
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: and I don't think he said, I'll sign an autograph,
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: but don't do a selfie. But he just basically said,
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to do selfies, Like even if I have,
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: you know, a minute or two or whatever, I am
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: not If you say, can I take a picture with you,
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: the answer is going to be no, because it makes
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: me feel like the monkey part of the organ grinder,
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: with the monkey with the pictures. And I thought, Okay,
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: maybe I guess I understand that. And you know how
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: that person was. I love that person, especially these days.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: He's ageless, He's timeless. It's a quote from Paul McCartney,
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: who the other day said that on some interview or
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: another his actual new album Dude's Ninety and Still Making Great,
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: called the Boys of Dungeon lane, it's really good. But
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: he said that it got me to think, and I
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: thought I'd run that by you, that there's something, there's
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: something I guess about. Let's talk about the psychology of that,
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: the psychology of autographs and selfies for just a second. Well,
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: who's the last person you asked for one from, or
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: or just in life? And what did that mean? Did
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: you ever look at it again? Just sell it? What
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: did it mean? Did it prove Hey, I was in
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: the company of this person. What does the autograph actually do?
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, the selfie at least is something you say, Hey,
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: here's me and al Pacino. What's what's the value?
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: I can honestly say I have never requested an autograph
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: or a selfie from anybody in my life. Now, I've
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: posed for pictures with President Trump in the Oval Office
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: and then they wind up, they take the official photograph
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: and then he signs it and sends it to you.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: I have never I've never in my Have you ever
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: asked for an autograph in your life?
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: You know what?
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: I don't know that I have. I never have and
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: I've never look help pinch us, pinch us. Look what
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: we get to do? We get to meet some folks
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: and hang with some famous folks, and I mean, we
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: get to sit down and talk to somebody for an hour.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: If I've had some you know, pretty amazing Big Dad
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: Larry Hagman on the show, maybe ostensibly at one point
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: one of the most famous people in the world, because
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: Dallas I don't remember. At the end go and say, hey,
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: can you say can you say can you sign something?
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: I didn't you know, I mean, Dan, But do you
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: ever think about the famous people that do listen to
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: us or watch us? Because you know there's some out
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: there and you always I think it's kind of cool
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: to think about that. By the way, let me quickly
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: tell you because I witnessed a big star turning somebody
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: down for a selfie. I Hugh Jackman walked into a
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: theater where I was watching a production at Lincoln Center.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Never forget this. He came in with an older lady.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: It was just the two of them, and he sat
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: two seats over from me, and I thought, what.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: It's kind of cool.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: It's Hugh Jackman, right, it's Wolverine. I'm sitting next to
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Wolverine at a Broadway show. Well, there was a guy
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: in front of him who proudly proclaimed he was from
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Jersey because he couldn't stop yapping about you. I'm from Jersey,
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Hey you, And he was Jackman was polite, Hugh was
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: trying to be nice. Well, finally the guy couldn't help
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: himself and he stood up, this was before the show,
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: and said, come on, Hugh, can I can I get
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: a picture? Can I get a picture with you? And
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Hugh said to the guy very respectfully, I'm sorry, mate.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: If I do it for you, I gotta do it
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: for everybody. It'll start a whole thing and it'll become distracting.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: And by the way, and the guy was pissed. Guy,
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, he's from Jersey. He was he was mad,
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: he was annoyed. He was like, oh, and he kind
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: of grumbled. And then I could see Hugh Jackman just
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: kind of smile and shake his head.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: I want to I want to stand up for the
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: right of anybody who's mega famous, totally stand up for
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: the right not to do selfies, not to do autographs.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: Maybe every once in a while you can. It's the
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: airport here, you know, if you got two seconds. But again,
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: that's easy for me to say if you're because once
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: you do start. It's it's like ding ding ding ding ding,
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: famous person at Kate twenty three, get there and then
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: surrounded by a thousand people. It just works that way,
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: so it doesn't word.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: And speaking of famous people, Yasmin just put a quote
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: a question up on the live chat if you could
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: meet now, I'm gonna be humbled here.
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: This is good.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Oh wait, what are you doing? Oh yeah, here's what
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Yasmin wrote. Go ahead, if you could meet Mike or Mark?
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: Who would you prefer?
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: And Todd Todd didn't miss a beat. Mark, I've been
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: listening him since nineteen ninety four.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: Thanks Todd.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't want to meet you either. I don't
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: want to see you either. I will shun you, sewing
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: discord in the ranks.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: If there's anything that that makes this whole enterprise work,
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: it's the chemistry, the affability, the love we have for
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: each other, which has now been dinged and damaged and
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: compromised by that question. If you meet Mike, well, well,
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: let me let me be the you have my word
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: you have is a bigger deal. It just no, it's not.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: If you have my word, if you join us on
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: the cruise, I will take time to talk to everybody.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Don't worry. I know, I don't shut. I'm so grateful
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: for your support and for your you being in our
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: audience that I will. I'll probably take you to day. Absolutely,
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: don't hold him to that. There you go, There you go,
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: all right?
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: All right? I think Wednesday, here we go. We got you.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: I think we covered a lot, didn't we We got
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: a lot on off our off our chest. Hey, let's
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: do it again tomorrow, shall we?
• 43:57
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• 44:09
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