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- 2:05Speaker 1: festific is gonna start out with the Sunday Night game
- 2:08Speaker 1: in the Land of the Insurs, the Land of the Injurs.
- 2:13Speaker 1: That's the story big game made for TV extravaganza there
- 2:17Speaker 1: and we go to the confluence. Now why do we
- 2:19Speaker 1: go to the confluence because that's where they played the game,
- 2:22Speaker 1: Right there, where the Monongahela and the Alleghany get together.
- 2:26Speaker 1: They have a baby and the baby is the Ohio River.
- 2:29Speaker 1: So that is the birth of the Ohio right there.
- 2:32Speaker 1: It's very public the PDA type display there and so
- 2:37Speaker 1: that is where the story was. Mike Tarriko, Chris Collinsworth.
- 2:40Speaker 1: Collinsworth had his knee pads out for the quarterbacks as
- 2:43Speaker 1: he always does there and if you.
- 2:46Speaker 4: Didn't see the game.
- 2:47Speaker 1: Maybe not eh, it was a game for a half,
- 2:51Speaker 1: game for a half in a quarter about a quarter
- 2:55Speaker 1: not so good.
- 2:55Speaker 4: So we watched so you would not have to.
- 2:58Speaker 1: As Jordan Love passed for almost almost four hundred yards
- 3:04Speaker 1: and not one, not two, but three touchdowns as Green Bay,
- 3:08Speaker 1: after falling behind at halftime, sprinted past the Pittsburg Steelers
- 3:16Speaker 1: in the second half. Now, the better story, though, is
- 3:18Speaker 1: in the losing locker room. So that is where we
- 3:20Speaker 1: will begin. And despite him down playing it, saying, well,
- 3:24Speaker 1: it was not a revenge game.
- 3:26Speaker 4: It will be different.
- 3:27Speaker 1: It was at Lambeau. That'd be Aaron Rodgers. Now, Aaron
- 3:30Speaker 1: Rodgers was put on a pedestal. He was absolutely put
- 3:34Speaker 1: on a pedestal here, and he went against his old team.
- 3:37Speaker 1: We all know the backstory, right, we all know it.
- 3:39Speaker 1: You'll listen to a sports talk radio show late at
- 3:41Speaker 1: night here, you know the backstory. So Rogers was out
- 3:44Speaker 1: there doing his thing, and how did that go?
- 3:50Speaker 4: Not good? Not good?
- 3:52Speaker 1: Rogers pathetic in the second half in particular there and
- 3:57Speaker 1: we'll get into it. But here's Rogers, first of all,
- 3:59Speaker 1: pointing out that things just didn't go right in many
- 4:03Speaker 1: areas including paying attention to what you're supposed to do.
- 4:07Speaker 1: Here's Rogers complaining about the execution of the Steelers.
- 4:10Speaker 5: We had some discipline issues and some penalties everyone necessary,
- 4:13Speaker 5: and then you're not going to win a lot of
- 4:15Speaker 5: games when we're so bad on third down. Bos bailed
- 4:19Speaker 5: us out some four incredible kicks, But you're playing good
- 4:22Speaker 5: teams and need to score toestdowns and we just stalled
- 4:24Speaker 5: out in the high red zone.
- 4:26Speaker 4: All right, so let us discuss. That's a good jumping
- 4:27Speaker 4: off point. So the question, how do you.
- 4:29Speaker 1: Explain ain Rogers' performance or lack thereof for Pittsburgh in
- 4:37Speaker 1: the second half. So I've got Tommy Hill, figure, eye wash,
- 4:40Speaker 1: and tiki bar, and we will combine all of these
- 4:43Speaker 1: things together and we are going to make an outstanding
- 4:47Speaker 1: rice cake, which is about what the Steelers were in
- 4:49Speaker 1: the second half, a rice case.
- 4:51Speaker 4: As you know, it's disgusting rice cakes. Who wants to
- 4:53Speaker 4: eat that crap?
- 4:54Speaker 1: So A, so much for the Aaron Rodgers payback for
- 4:59Speaker 1: ve game and all that stuff, which he tried to downplay,
- 5:02Speaker 1: but Mike got and Rodgers was a big part of it.
- 5:05Speaker 4: With the defense was embarrassing. We'll get to that here
- 5:08Speaker 4: in a minute.
- 5:09Speaker 1: Even if the Packers had not gotten the benefit of
- 5:12Speaker 1: being able to bait the Steeler playoffs because they're undisciplined
- 5:16Speaker 1: into excessive penalties, even if that had not been the case,
- 5:20Speaker 1: the way the Steelers tackled it would not have mattered.
- 5:23Speaker 1: We're starting out with Aaron Rodgers here, So Aaron Rodgers,
- 5:26Speaker 1: who was okay. I wouldn't say he was great in
- 5:29Speaker 1: the first half. He was okay in the first half.
- 5:31Speaker 1: He watched the game, forget the stats, just watched the game.
- 5:34Speaker 1: And then the second half. If he was the at
- 5:37Speaker 1: the movie theater, he would have been what kind of
- 5:40Speaker 1: snack at the movie theater?
- 5:42Speaker 4: He would have been a milk.
- 5:43Speaker 1: Dud, is what he would have been. It was an
- 5:44Speaker 1: absolute dud. The shine came off Aaron Rodgers in the
- 5:48Speaker 1: second half there real quick in the steel City. And
- 5:51Speaker 1: the first half. I wouldn't say he was great. I
- 5:54Speaker 1: would say he was function functional in the in the
- 5:56Speaker 1: first half of the game. I thought in the second
- 5:58Speaker 1: half there was system malfunction from Aaron Rodgers, and.
- 6:03Speaker 4: It's like someone went in there and unplugged the motive.
- 6:08Speaker 1: It's like the motem got unplugged and he couldn't get connected,
- 6:11Speaker 1: he couldn't get online.
- 6:12Speaker 4: Like everything was kind of.
- 6:12Speaker 1: Messed up there. It's like, what's up with that? The
- 6:15Speaker 1: Steelers actually had a nine point lead at halftime. They're
- 6:18Speaker 1: up sixteen to seven. Not riveting football, but they're up
- 6:21Speaker 1: by nine points. They got the ball to start the
- 6:24Speaker 1: third quarter. Every meatthead ex jock that gets a micro oh,
- 6:27Speaker 1: they have all the moment of oh my god, they
- 6:29Speaker 1: have all the moment of la la la, shoving up
- 6:31Speaker 1: your tuckers. They had all the momentum, all them more metium.
- 6:35Speaker 1: The Pittsburgh Steelers had all of them, all metium. Then
- 6:39Speaker 1: they had to play the game, and they rode the
- 6:41Speaker 1: vomit comet in the second half momentum, I ass outscored
- 6:44Speaker 1: twenty eight to night. It should have been worse than that.
- 6:47Speaker 1: In fact, in many ways it was worse than that.
- 6:48Speaker 1: It was really twenty eight to three in the second
- 6:51Speaker 1: and a half. There was a late touchdown there. But that
- 6:53Speaker 1: is not just a leak. Okay, that is a full
- 6:57Speaker 1: on pipe burst in the basement, is what that is
- 7:00Speaker 1: what happened in the second half of this game. And
- 7:02Speaker 1: so they got that late touchdown. The garbage time touchdown
- 7:07Speaker 1: was a little bit of a sprits little sprits that
- 7:11Speaker 1: was some Tommy Hill figure cologne there right on top
- 7:14Speaker 1: of a clogged toilet, which was the Steelers in the
- 7:17Speaker 1: second half, and they just put a little spritz of
- 7:18Speaker 1: Tommy Hill figure.
- 7:20Speaker 4: Cologne on there, right on top of the.
- 7:21Speaker 1: Toilet was clogged up Rogers in the second half. If
- 7:24Speaker 1: you take away the charity score game Packers were playing
- 7:28Speaker 1: them would just prevent type defense situation. They had a
- 7:32Speaker 1: two score lead, two scores and two two point conversions,
- 7:35Speaker 1: and so then Pittsburgh goes down the field, they drive
- 7:39Speaker 1: down with Rogers and they score a touchdown with a
- 7:40Speaker 1: couple of minutes to.
- 7:41Speaker 4: Go in the game.
- 7:42Speaker 1: You take that away because it's really a cheap, garbage
- 7:44Speaker 1: time score. The rest of the second half, Rogers averaged
- 7:47Speaker 1: less than five yards per pass in the second half.
- 7:50Speaker 1: He basically handing it off sideways was the way you
- 7:54Speaker 1: would describe the Pittsburgh Steelers' offense there. And people will
- 7:57Speaker 1: point out the overall numbers for Rogers are not terrible,
- 8:02Speaker 1: and in fact, some would say they're even good if
- 8:04Speaker 1: you just go by the pure stats. Aaron Rodgers overall
- 8:07Speaker 1: passer rating even after this game on Sunday Night, where
- 8:11Speaker 1: he was not very good in the second half, Rogers
- 8:14Speaker 1: still has a higher passer rating at this point. We're
- 8:17Speaker 1: at week eight of the season now the Packers and
- 8:21Speaker 1: Steelers next time they play will be week nine. So
- 8:24Speaker 1: Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes do not have as good
- 8:27Speaker 1: a quarterback rating as Aaron Rodgers.
- 8:29Speaker 4: If I had said in the offseason, if I said
- 8:32Speaker 4: back in.
- 8:32Speaker 1: July, all right, whenever Rogers signed, maybe be like August,
- 8:35Speaker 1: whenever you finally sign. So we're gonna be sitting on
- 8:37Speaker 1: the NFL schedule week nine, going in to.
- 8:43Speaker 4: Pass the midway point.
- 8:44Speaker 1: It's seventeen games, so eight and a half weeks is
- 8:46Speaker 1: the midway point of the NFL season. So we're gonna
- 8:50Speaker 1: go in there and Rogers is going to have a
- 8:51Speaker 1: higher passer rating than Mahomes and Josh Allen. He said, okay,
- 8:56Speaker 1: all right, we got something here, all right to Steelers
- 8:58Speaker 1: are going to be great watch out and yeah, and
- 9:03Speaker 1: this is again for those people that dry hump stats.
- 9:05Speaker 4: And stats tell you what has happened, not what's going
- 9:08Speaker 4: to happen, but.
- 9:08Speaker 1: They also they also tell you a cloudy version of
- 9:16Speaker 1: events that took place, a foggy version of events that
- 9:19Speaker 1: took place. For example, it's like, would you rather read
- 9:23Speaker 1: sheet music? Because you love music, you want to read
- 9:26Speaker 1: the sheet music rather than hear the song. I would
- 9:28Speaker 1: rather hear the song. The stats are the sheet music, right,
- 9:32Speaker 1: that's the musical notes on there. But you really would
- 9:36Speaker 1: rather hear the song rather than just read it. You
- 9:38Speaker 1: get the whole vibe and all that you watch the game.
- 9:41Speaker 1: The mood, Oh, it's all about the mood. The mood
- 9:45Speaker 1: changed after afterime Rogers flat lined and the Packers' offense
- 9:50Speaker 1: or Packer's offense did whatever they wanted while Rogers on
- 9:52Speaker 1: the other side with the Steelers forget about it now.
- 9:55Speaker 1: Speaking of that, turning the page here, Jordan Love became
- 9:58Speaker 1: the first Hackers quarterbacks since Brett Farvre to complete twenty
- 10:05Speaker 1: straight passes in a game. Farv did it way back
- 10:09Speaker 1: in seven. I was barely alive then.
- 10:11Speaker 4: I was like a kid. I remember Rogers having a
- 10:13Speaker 4: big game, but I.
- 10:14Speaker 1: Was a child, So twenty oh seven for that performance there.
- 10:18Speaker 1: That was his final season in Green Bay, where he
- 10:21Speaker 1: was having problems with Aaron Rodgers and so far then left,
- 10:27Speaker 1: went to the Jets and then the vikings and all that,
- 10:29Speaker 1: and so so be it. But the question is not
- 10:32Speaker 1: so much about Jordan Love. It's the other side. What
- 10:37Speaker 1: on God's green earth was that by Mike Tomlins Pittsburgh
- 10:42Speaker 1: Steelers defense. What happened to making adjustments? What happened to
- 10:46Speaker 1: improving as the season goes on? Now, we saw the
- 10:50Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers get sliced up by Joe Flacco. So you
- 10:54Speaker 1: took the position that they were going to make that
- 10:56Speaker 1: a point of emphasis, and they were going to cut
- 10:58Speaker 1: down on their mistakes there and clean stuff up. They
- 11:00Speaker 1: had a mini bye week, they being the Pittsburgh Steelers.
- 11:03Speaker 1: How did that go? The adjustments were nonexistent, they were
- 11:08Speaker 1: non existent. The Steelers defense just stood there like they
- 11:13Speaker 1: were watching a matt Na at the Cinerama Dome. They
- 11:17Speaker 1: were just enjoying buttered popcorn.
- 11:19Speaker 4: Whatever. What was that?
- 11:20Speaker 1: Horrific? Unacceptable, absolutely unaccepted. Here's Mike Tomlin commenting on one
- 11:28Speaker 1: of the most pathetic defensive performances you'll see in the
- 11:32Speaker 1: Black and Yellow, Black and Yellow, Black and Yellow Tail is.
- 11:35Speaker 6: You know, we all have to own it. Certainly you
- 11:38Speaker 6: start with the schematics, man, because you know that's the
- 11:40Speaker 6: leadership component of it, and certainly we'll be looking at
- 11:43Speaker 6: everything that we're doing, man, because some of these problems
- 11:46Speaker 6: are somewhat repetitive and we're not getting better fast enough. Mike,
- 11:49Speaker 6: I'm not gonna talk too much tonight. We'll take a
- 11:51Speaker 6: look at it. As I mentioned, they made some significant
- 11:55Speaker 6: plays on possession down ball and you know, you got
- 11:58Speaker 6: to get off on third down.
- 12:01Speaker 1: Okay, got it so very important to get off according
- 12:03Speaker 1: to Mike Tom It's all right. So anyway, it's like
- 12:06Speaker 1: they went to the cinerama doom as I said, they
- 12:08Speaker 1: had the buttered pop going there and oh my god.
- 12:13Speaker 1: Now maybe it was just my TV. Sometimes my TV
- 12:15Speaker 1: sees things that other TVs don't see. I have no idea,
- 12:17Speaker 1: but I saw these Steelers playing. I call it the
- 12:20Speaker 1: cover m defense, as in the cover Matador.
- 12:24Speaker 4: Alright, alright, alright, oay, yeah.
- 12:27Speaker 1: If you want miss tackles, check the Steelers are really
- 12:31Speaker 1: good at miss tackles, really good. If you want arm tackles,
- 12:35Speaker 1: they got those two. A lot of arm tackles, a
- 12:37Speaker 1: lot of arm tackles. You want poor pursuit ankle angles
- 12:40Speaker 1: where they come at the wrong direction. You know how
- 12:42Speaker 1: you're supposed to cut down the path.
- 12:44Speaker 4: They don't do that. Never never see that.
- 12:48Speaker 1: It's essentially a video on how not to play defense
- 12:52Speaker 1: in the NFL.
- 12:53Speaker 4: What the Steelers are doing on a weekly basis.
- 12:56Speaker 1: There's a lot of people on defense in the secondary
- 12:59Speaker 1: in particular, that are making business decisions, if you know
- 13:02Speaker 1: what I'm saying here. And he allowed the Packers tied end.
- 13:07Speaker 1: Who's a good player, Tucker Craft, who is not that
- 13:12Speaker 1: good a player? My god, Tucker Craft. He went yakty
- 13:17Speaker 1: yack yards after the catch. There no pushback. And what
- 13:21Speaker 1: I've noticed, and the kicker on this, is that they're
- 13:24Speaker 1: the most expensive defense, they being the Pittsburgh Seris and
- 13:28Speaker 1: the entire NFL. They spend more money on defense than
- 13:30Speaker 1: anyone else. They're giving up now thirty plus points most games.
- 13:34Speaker 1: They played seven games, four of the seven they've allowed
- 13:38Speaker 1: thirty or more points per game. That's the Pittsburgh.
- 13:42Speaker 4: Steelers at this particular point.
- 13:43Speaker 1: And the one game where they looked okay against Drake
- 13:47Speaker 1: May and the Patriots, that was more of a byproduct
- 13:50Speaker 1: because the Patriots, I think they had five turnovers in
- 13:52Speaker 1: that game. That was the Ramando Stevenson fumble fumble game. There,
- 13:57Speaker 1: but it's not bad luck. It's like I look at
- 14:00Speaker 1: the series we've seen them now in Island games, the
- 14:02Speaker 1: last couple of games against the Bengals and against the
- 14:06Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers, and it's just systemic.
- 14:09Speaker 4: Rot is what it is. I mean, they're just they're
- 14:13Speaker 4: not anywhere close to being good.
- 14:15Speaker 1: Now. I get I made the mistake was handicapping the games.
- 14:18Speaker 1: Mike Tom's gonna go in there, going to the workshop
- 14:22Speaker 1: and figure some things out. It doesn't look like they
- 14:25Speaker 1: figured anything out at all. And so listen, listen, they're
- 14:31Speaker 1: gonna end up winning nine or ten games. They're over
- 14:34Speaker 1: five hundred. As bad as the defense is, they're still
- 14:36Speaker 1: over five hundred. They're a fake contender. They're in the
- 14:39Speaker 1: fake contender zone. The Pittsburgh Steels at this point, just
- 14:42Speaker 1: enough there to kind of trick people into thinking may
- 14:48Speaker 1: matter and that anybody.
- 14:49Speaker 4: Can win it.
- 14:50Speaker 1: It's wide open in the AFC here and nobody is
- 14:55Speaker 1: scared of that defense. But the thing about it too, though,
- 14:57Speaker 1: is you see the guys and it's it's eyewash in
- 15:02Speaker 1: the secondary.
- 15:03Speaker 4: That's the term here.
- 15:04Speaker 1: It's the fake hustle where they're kind of around the ball.
- 15:10Speaker 1: But it looks like they're not. Just based on the
- 15:13Speaker 1: eyeball test, it looks like they're not hustling. It's eye washes. Hustles,
- 15:17Speaker 1: stunt double, that's what eye washes, right, It's guys flying
- 15:21Speaker 1: around just enough to get on cameras. So it looks
- 15:24Speaker 1: like for the low information fan that they're in position
- 15:28Speaker 1: and looks like they cared and looks like they're trying,
- 15:32Speaker 1: and yet they're not. This is just ridiculous. So that's
- 15:38Speaker 1: where we are on that.
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- 16:21Speaker 1: put to bed and we had the baby woke up.
- 16:24Speaker 1: The baby was put to bed, the baby woke up.
- 16:26Speaker 1: So the Dodgers are still playing. We have live baseball,
- 16:29Speaker 1: which is great because all these people are bitching and complaining.
- 16:32Speaker 7: I don't understand these games are going so long. I
- 16:35Speaker 7: don't come my God, shut up. Welcome to my world,
- 16:38Speaker 7: you losers, Welcome to my world. So the Dodgers and
- 16:42Speaker 7: Blue Jays are tied at five. They've gone now that
- 16:45Speaker 7: I know.
- 16:45Speaker 4: Is that cheating.
- 16:46Speaker 1: They pulled out the the sliced watermelon and pineapple.
- 16:50Speaker 4: It looked like to me pineapple.
- 16:52Speaker 1: They're the Dodgers eating snacks in the dugout and they
- 16:55Speaker 1: are now going to the bottom of the sixteenth inning
- 16:58Speaker 1: at tra Vesarino. I want this game to end either
- 17:01Speaker 1: in the bottom of the sixteenth or the seventeenth, because
- 17:03Speaker 1: I was at the game to win eighteen innings, so
- 17:05Speaker 1: I don't want to see this game, this World Series game,
- 17:08Speaker 1: go more than eighteen because that would then cheapen the
- 17:12Speaker 1: game that I was at Red Sox and Dwyers in
- 17:15Speaker 1: the World Series years ago. When Max Muntsey hit the
- 17:17Speaker 1: home run. The game ended one in the morning, right
- 17:20Speaker 1: around one in the morning. It was after midnight. I
- 17:22Speaker 1: remember that it was after midnight. So anyway, that is
- 17:24Speaker 1: what's going on right now. So we will we will
- 17:27Speaker 1: watch that, but we will be talking about something other
- 17:30Speaker 1: than that right now, because there is more to discuss
- 17:33Speaker 1: and more to break down, and so our lead story
- 17:36Speaker 1: this hour from Arrowheads Stadium in Cannes City. It was
- 17:41Speaker 1: KC and the Sunshine Band, and that is the lead
- 17:45Speaker 1: the stage for the final game of Week number eight.
- 17:50Speaker 1: Week number eight of the NFL eight one of the
- 17:53Speaker 1: absolute worst. By the way, the product could not have
- 17:57Speaker 1: been less enjoyable if you want competitive games. In fact,
- 18:00Speaker 1: going back to nineteen seventy, this was, if not the
- 18:06Speaker 1: largest margin, it was in the top two or three
- 18:09Speaker 1: all time in the history of the NFL. I know
- 18:11Speaker 1: going into the Monday night game. It was in the discussion.
- 18:15Speaker 1: It depends on how you spin the stats. How bad
- 18:18Speaker 1: this was, but a weekend of blowouts wrapped up with
- 18:22Speaker 1: backup quarterback as Marcus Mariota leading the hobbled Commanders into
- 18:28Speaker 1: Kansas City that played eight there with Patrick Mahomes and
- 18:30Speaker 1: the Chiefs, you had Joe Buck and Troy Aikman on
- 18:34Speaker 1: the call.
- 18:34Speaker 4: There were you watching? Did you watch? Were you engaged
- 18:38Speaker 4: in this? You were not? Okay.
- 18:40Speaker 1: So Patrick Mahomes, by his standard, struggled early in the game.
- 18:44Speaker 1: The first half was a bit of a dud all
- 18:48Speaker 1: the way around, a lot of turnovers, a lot of bad,
- 18:50Speaker 1: sloppy football. And then by the time the game ended,
- 18:53Speaker 1: Mahomes we love round numbers. He was one yard away
- 18:56Speaker 1: from a nice, sexy three hundred yards passing at two
- 18:59Speaker 1: undred ninety nine yards, ended up with three touchdowns. Kareem
- 19:03Speaker 1: Hunt found peterrt hit the end zone twice, and the
- 19:07Speaker 1: Chiefs defense in the second half it looked like they
- 19:11Speaker 1: wanted to get out of there. There being Washington as
- 19:13Speaker 1: Kansas City hog tied the Commanders in the final thirty
- 19:17Speaker 1: minutes of that football game. So Kansas City pulls away
- 19:21Speaker 1: and they win by three touchdowns twenty eight to seven.
- 19:25Speaker 1: I am told that's good. I didn't play in the NFL,
- 19:28Speaker 1: but I'm told that's good on a nice cold October night,
- 19:31Speaker 1: just days away from Halloween. Now, the better story is
- 19:36Speaker 1: in the losing locker room. The better story is in
- 19:39Speaker 1: the losing locker room, and the Commander fans very upset,
- 19:45Speaker 1: very upset with dan Quinn, a lot of range, a
- 19:49Speaker 1: lot of anger with the way the Commanders played in
- 19:51Speaker 1: the second half.
- 19:52Speaker 4: Of that game.
- 19:53Speaker 1: And a lot of the conversation is not even so
- 19:57Speaker 1: much about how bad the Commanders looked in the second half.
- 20:00Speaker 1: It's the apathetic appearance of the players on the Washington
- 20:06Speaker 1: football team who were so happy after they got their
- 20:10Speaker 1: face smashed in by the Chiefs and people up in
- 20:13Speaker 1: arms over that, that they were smiling and having a
- 20:16Speaker 1: grand old time playing grab ass at the end of
- 20:19Speaker 1: the game there on the sidelines. The postgame handshake was
- 20:22Speaker 1: like a college party. My god, were they having a
- 20:25Speaker 1: good time? People upset with that, And so that's a
- 20:28Speaker 1: good jumping off point. Let us discuss the question does
- 20:31Speaker 1: dan Quinn deserve the heat that he's getting in the
- 20:37Speaker 1: cyber Warfare department for the Commander's performance? Does he deserve
- 20:42Speaker 1: some heat for that? Now, my observation on this, I've
- 20:45Speaker 1: got Brad pitt Child's play and Circus Circus, and we
- 20:51Speaker 1: will combine all of these things together and we are
- 20:54Speaker 1: going to get an end to Game three of the
- 20:57Speaker 1: World Series that's going to have We're gonna end game
- 20:59Speaker 1: three of the World Series.
- 21:00Speaker 4: But number.
- 21:08Speaker 1: To answer the question, does dan Quinn deserve the crap
- 21:11Speaker 1: that he's getting. I'm nodding my head, yes, I'm nodding
- 21:14Speaker 1: my head.
- 21:15Speaker 4: Yes.
- 21:15Speaker 1: On that. Now, dan Quinn's Commanders, I'm old enough to
- 21:18Speaker 1: remember that they were in the final four of the
- 21:22Speaker 1: National Football League at the end of last season, and
- 21:25Speaker 1: here they are out there, smiling like they were to
- 21:27Speaker 1: charity golf outing somewhere in Maryland, just having a grand
- 21:31Speaker 1: old time. They were out playing golf with some politicians and.
- 21:35Speaker 4: Just let me have some lemonade? Is that spiked lemonade?
- 21:39Speaker 1: They didn't act like they just got pants in the
- 21:41Speaker 1: second half by Kansas City, which is what happened on
- 21:44Speaker 1: National TV, by the way, in an Island game, although
- 21:46Speaker 1: not a full Island game, because I was flipping back
- 21:49Speaker 1: and my right hand was getting a workout. If I
- 21:52Speaker 1: had only known the Dodgers and Blue Jays would play
- 21:54Speaker 1: all night, I wouldn't even bother to watch the first
- 21:56Speaker 1: part of the game. I just would have focused on
- 21:58Speaker 1: the football game. But I was going back and forth.
- 22:00Speaker 4: And all that.
- 22:01Speaker 1: So the Commanders end up on the wrong side, and
- 22:04Speaker 1: then all the shenanigans after the game there as Washington
- 22:09Speaker 1: did catch lightning in a bottle, and I caught lightning
- 22:12Speaker 1: at a bottle last year. That was supposed to be
- 22:14Speaker 1: the foundation. That's what I was told. The smart people said,
- 22:18Speaker 1: this is the foundation.
- 22:20Speaker 4: This is it.
- 22:21Speaker 1: The NFL's final four NFC Championship game in Philadelphia, win
- 22:25Speaker 1: away from getting the Super Bowl, and.
- 22:28Speaker 4: Right there, one win.
- 22:29Speaker 1: Now, let's see some inventory on where the Commanders are.
- 22:32Speaker 1: We're at a checkpoint week eight. Now, I realized they
- 22:35Speaker 1: play seventeen games, so it's not quite the halfway point,
- 22:38Speaker 1: but nonetheless, for talk radio purposes, we will examine this
- 22:42Speaker 1: as the middling point of the NFL season. So where
- 22:46Speaker 1: is Washington one year after they were right on the
- 22:52Speaker 1: cusp of the top of the NFL. So they have
- 22:54Speaker 1: been come tumbling down, down, down, down, down, down.
- 22:57Speaker 4: Down, down, down, down down.
- 22:58Speaker 1: That's where they are right now. And so they have
- 23:00Speaker 1: gone from punching above their weight, which is what they
- 23:04Speaker 1: did last year. Now they have gone down to the
- 23:07Speaker 1: corner bakery and they've ordered a pie, not an apple,
- 23:11Speaker 1: not a pumpkin, not the banana cream pie. They've gone
- 23:14Speaker 1: to the corner bakery and the Commanders have ordered a
- 23:17Speaker 1: big humble pie, and they're cutting up the humble pie
- 23:20Speaker 1: right now. Although they don't seem to be that worried
- 23:22Speaker 1: based on their postgame celebration. You want to give at
- 23:25Speaker 1: least the deception that you actually care. So Defensively, the
- 23:30Speaker 1: Commanders currently are ranked twenty seventh in the NFL. I'm
- 23:33Speaker 1: told that's not good the offense. How about the office
- 23:37Speaker 1: the Commander's offense?
- 23:38Speaker 4: Here? Okay, this group, I know Jadon Daniels has been hurt.
- 23:42Speaker 4: Middle of the pack.
- 23:43Speaker 1: There's sixteenth in the NFL. Now I recall, and maybe
- 23:46Speaker 1: I'm wrong on this. You can touch up my work
- 23:48Speaker 1: if you want. Cliff Kingsbury was the second coming of
- 23:54Speaker 1: the Messiah as the offensive genius for the Washington Commanders.
- 23:58Speaker 1: It is amazing. How'd that go? Well, don't ask this year. Now,
- 24:05Speaker 1: here's the thing about the Commanders watching this team plan.
- 24:07Speaker 1: I saw him in person a few weeks back against
- 24:10Speaker 1: the Chargers, and they actually played well in that game.
- 24:14Speaker 1: But the thing I look at Washington is they're not
- 24:18Speaker 1: bad enough the Commanders to be a lovable train wreck.
- 24:22Speaker 1: So they're not at that point, and they're not good
- 24:25Speaker 1: enough to really matter. They're just kind of stuck in
- 24:28Speaker 1: the Bermuda Triangle of the NFL. They're stuck in football
- 24:32Speaker 1: purgatory at this point. And as far as the I
- 24:36Speaker 1: guess we'll call it, what is the heel? A monster
- 24:38Speaker 1: in the room here? Postgame? It was like a country club.
- 24:41Speaker 1: But is it always like I don't like understand the rage.
- 24:44Speaker 1: It's always like that at NFL games. They love other
- 24:48Speaker 1: NFL players and they cannot wait to hug it out.
- 24:51Speaker 1: It's warm and fuzzy at the end of every NFL game,
- 24:54Speaker 1: with few exceptions, with few exceptions. Now there are exceptions,
- 24:58Speaker 1: but you'd think think that the Washington football team was
- 25:03Speaker 1: hosting a nice brunch with sliced meats and sliced cheeses
- 25:09Speaker 1: and they hadn't just gotten their teeth kicked in in
- 25:12Speaker 1: the second half by the team from Kansas City. But
- 25:16Speaker 1: if you're dan Quinn, okay, if you're dan Quinn, to me,
- 25:19Speaker 1: that's on you. He's supposed to be a happy, go
- 25:22Speaker 1: lucky coach and all that. That's fine, but at least
- 25:24Speaker 1: give the illusion that you were slightly bobbed.
- 25:28Speaker 4: And this is always the issue.
- 25:28Speaker 1: Right we who invest our time as fans, we get
- 25:34Speaker 1: emotionally attached the players don't get emotionally attached. It's their gig,
- 25:38Speaker 1: it's their job. They don't understand why you're so into it.
- 25:41Speaker 1: Just chill out, man, It's just a game. And so
- 25:44Speaker 1: we want to go on there and make out at
- 25:46Speaker 1: the fifty yard line after we just got are ass kicked.
- 25:49Speaker 1: We're going to do that. We are going to do
- 25:52Speaker 1: that is what we're going to do. Yes, So, how
- 25:55Speaker 1: bad was it for the Washington commanders? Was so bad
- 26:00Speaker 1: that dan Quinn should hire Brad Pitt. Bring Brad Pitty in.
- 26:04Speaker 1: Remember that famous scene from Moneyball where he was portraying
- 26:07Speaker 1: Billy Bean and they were in the locker room and
- 26:10Speaker 1: he said, hey, you think losing is fun?
- 26:14Speaker 4: You think losing is fun?
- 26:15Speaker 1: And then the player on the athletics said, well no, okay,
- 26:20Speaker 1: Well if the answer is no, it's not fun, then
- 26:23Speaker 1: what the hell are you smiling for. By the way,
- 26:27Speaker 1: they played thirty minutes of football, they were tied at halftime.
- 26:30Speaker 1: The Washington football team, I believe at that point they
- 26:33Speaker 1: started warming up the diesel engines on the buses and
- 26:36Speaker 1: they wanted to make sure that the water in the
- 26:38Speaker 1: shower was warm as well. They had just sixty six
- 26:41Speaker 1: yards of offense in the second half, and if my
- 26:43Speaker 1: math is correct, I drotted this chicken scratch down four
- 26:46Speaker 1: first downs in the second half, which I'm told is
- 26:49Speaker 1: not good. And they were big underdogs, double digit dogs.
- 26:53Speaker 1: They being Washington going into this game, they were expected
- 26:57Speaker 1: to lose, they were expected to be.
- 26:59Speaker 4: Blown out out.
- 27:00Speaker 1: They actually had the game in position at halftime to
- 27:05Speaker 1: scratch and claw and make it a fourth quarter game,
- 27:08Speaker 1: to put the pressure on Kansas City. And instead of
- 27:12Speaker 1: doing that.
- 27:13Speaker 4: Well, they did the opposite.
- 27:15Speaker 1: They just got in the fetal position, started sucking their
- 27:18Speaker 1: thumb and that was it. Mahomes got going, the defense
- 27:22Speaker 1: started crushing people, and that was it. Game over. Absolute
- 27:27Speaker 1: weak sauce, Absolute week sauce. Now on the other side.
- 27:31Speaker 4: Page two.
- 27:33Speaker 1: So we go now to the Kansas City side of things,
- 27:36Speaker 1: where things are buzzing. You can almost hear it. There's
- 27:43Speaker 1: a buzz in the air. It's almost everywhere. Yes, So question,
- 27:50Speaker 1: are you gonna go thumbs up or are you gonna
- 27:53Speaker 1: go thumbs down? Thumbs upper, thumbs down on Andy Reid's
- 27:56Speaker 1: Chiefs being back in the catbird seat metaphorically in the AFC.
- 28:03Speaker 1: All right, that is the question. So thumb to the
- 28:08Speaker 1: moon way up. I'm going to the moon, thumb way
- 28:10Speaker 1: up to the moon. Now this game, you don't get
- 28:13Speaker 1: any style points. It was a blowout win. It was
- 28:15Speaker 1: close at halftime. This was what I would call a
- 28:17Speaker 1: workman like effort for the Kansas City Chiefs. Here punched
- 28:21Speaker 1: the clock the old I can't really say lunch pail
- 28:24Speaker 1: because all these guys are millionaires, but you get the point.
- 28:25Speaker 4: Back in the old days, we'd say lunch pail type game.
- 28:28Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, all of a sudden, Patrick
- 28:32Speaker 1: Mahomes looks like the vintage Patrick Mahomes.
- 28:36Speaker 4: Yet again he does.
- 28:38Speaker 1: He's got his toys back at wide receiver, He's got
- 28:41Speaker 1: his playmakers back. I know Keg drinking. Steve's excited about that.
- 28:44Speaker 1: And so Mahomes is cooking with a flamethrower at this point.
- 28:48Speaker 1: So it turns out the reports of Mahomes and the
- 28:51Speaker 1: Chiefs demise, well, they were cute while they lasted greatly exaggerated.
- 28:57Speaker 1: Mahomes looked in the second half like he was taking
- 29:01Speaker 1: batting practice at five point thirty and hitting those batting
- 29:05Speaker 1: practice fastballs out of the park. Washington had nothing in
- 29:09Speaker 1: the second half. Now, some of that was Mahomes. Some
- 29:13Speaker 1: of that was Mahomes and what he was doing with
- 29:15Speaker 1: Kansas City. They got off to the zero to two start.
- 29:18Speaker 1: They are now five and one, and the one loss
- 29:21Speaker 1: in there was the play that they quit against Jacksonville.
- 29:24Speaker 1: Remember the defense quit. They were caught on camera lollygagging,
- 29:28Speaker 1: allowing Trevor Lawrence to fall down twice and get up
- 29:32Speaker 1: and score a touchdown.
- 29:33Speaker 4: So that's on them.
- 29:33Speaker 1: So you could make the argument there's a dimension in
- 29:36Speaker 1: the multiverse where they are six and oho and they're
- 29:39Speaker 1: lurking in the playoff picture like Michael Myers behind the
- 29:43Speaker 1: curtain there. Now nobody think about this, Nobody in the AFC.
- 29:49Speaker 4: Nobody in the.
- 29:50Speaker 1: AFC, he said, well, Indianapolis a little bit, but nobody
- 29:52Speaker 1: in the AFC West has been able to capitalize on
- 29:56Speaker 1: that early facepoint. The Chargers won all these divisional games earlier.
- 30:00Speaker 1: All right, there you go, this is the Chargers year.
- 30:01Speaker 1: Everything's great. They're set up. Boom boom boom, division win,
- 30:05Speaker 1: division win, division win, They're ready to go. And now
- 30:07Speaker 1: we look like we look at it right now and yeah,
- 30:10Speaker 1: face plan. So the division led by the Chargers early
- 30:17Speaker 1: and they had a shot to bury Kansas City.
- 30:19Speaker 4: They didn't do it.
- 30:20Speaker 1: We all know that. Nobody in the AFC West took
- 30:22Speaker 1: advantage of it. As we said, so the division is
- 30:25Speaker 1: still up for grabs at this point. And now Kansas City.
- 30:28Speaker 1: As of right now, the Chiefs are back in the
- 30:32Speaker 1: playoff picture. They are the last team in the wild
- 30:36Speaker 1: card around. They're the last team in the playoffs at
- 30:40Speaker 1: this point and still have a shot to be the
- 30:43Speaker 1: number one seed in the Also, the schedule sets up
- 30:48Speaker 1: nicely Kansas City. There is no momentum, so we know that. However,
- 30:53Speaker 1: they are playing with some confidence.
- 30:55Speaker 4: Now they have up ahead.
- 30:57Speaker 1: If you look, you've got the Bills, Broncos, and Colts
- 31:00Speaker 1: upcoming is also by mixed in and so those are
- 31:04Speaker 1: massive swing games both in the division and then just
- 31:07Speaker 1: the overall hierarchy in the AFC down down the line.
- 31:11Speaker 1: So Kansas City, I'm trying to say, if you like
- 31:13Speaker 1: horror movies, Kansas City this season it's like that classic
- 31:20Speaker 1: Child's Play.
- 31:20Speaker 4: Remember that movie.
- 31:21Speaker 1: It's all movie now, all my references are old, I guess,
- 31:23Speaker 1: but Child's Play, and that was where Chucky was at.
- 31:27Speaker 4: The beginning of the movie.
- 31:28Speaker 1: There he was burned, shot and dismembered, and somehow, because
- 31:32Speaker 1: it's Hollywood, managed to come back. Why not Kansas City
- 31:35Speaker 1: to begin the year was burn shot and dismembered, And
- 31:38Speaker 1: they have come back now and they're right in the
- 31:40Speaker 1: middle of it in the AFC and Mahomes is breathing
- 31:44Speaker 1: like a dragon with fire. Andy Reid's is suddenly smart again,
- 31:49Speaker 1: and we're on our way. Of course, the conspiracy theorist
- 31:51Speaker 1: will so well, yeah but yeah but yeah, but yeah
- 31:53Speaker 1: about the NFL wants someone to win, He goes, Taylor Swipt,
- 31:55Speaker 1: Yeah but yeah but yeah it yeah but yeah but
- 31:56Speaker 1: yeah it yeah but yeah it Rabbit the yeabbit Rabbit.
- 31:59Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Ben Meller
- 32:01Speaker 2: Show weekdays at two am Eastern eleven pm Pacific.
- 32:05Speaker 4: I agree, Do you.
- 32:11Speaker 2: Have what it takes to get to the top?
- 32:14Speaker 4: Probably not, Let's do it. Welcome to Archancessys. We've got
- 32:17Speaker 4: any meanie mighty most. Sam is in Iowa. Hello Sam, Welcome.
- 32:23Speaker 1: Sam's full of energy, he's excited to be here, and
- 32:26Speaker 1: he's a man.
- 32:26Speaker 4: Of many words.
- 32:28Speaker 1: Welcome Sam. You're gonna play the game. Who do you
- 32:30Speaker 1: want to partner up with? Sam?
- 32:33Speaker 4: Okay, he's gonna play with Ben Lorena. I'm shocked he
- 32:36Speaker 4: didn't pick me up. I can't believe that. Hold on
- 32:38Speaker 4: a sex, Sam, and we have keg.
- 32:40Speaker 1: Drinking Steve in Ken'saw City.
- 32:43Speaker 2: Hello, man, what a record breaking night?
- 32:46Speaker 4: Did you see?
- 32:47Speaker 8: Mary?
- 32:48Speaker 4: We don't have time.
- 32:50Speaker 1: Geez to the other guy hung up, So you gotta
- 32:53Speaker 1: play with you gotta play.
- 32:55Speaker 2: Play with Lorena?
- 32:56Speaker 4: Man, Mary hart Is okay? All right, you're a nadho
- 33:00Speaker 4: what he or what he is? Okay? All right, let's
- 33:03Speaker 4: play the game.
- 33:04Speaker 8: You're not playing with Lorena, Steve, play the game, all right?
- 33:08Speaker 4: All right? Stop? What is the is the was it
- 33:11Speaker 4: the Walking and Phoenix edition? Yes?
- 33:13Speaker 8: He's fifty one years old? To happy birthday?
- 33:14Speaker 2: Ah the joker?
- 33:17Speaker 4: Okay?
- 33:17Speaker 1: All right.
- 33:17Speaker 9: The categories are eight millimeter, Gladiator, the Immigrant, and Napoleon.
- 33:22Speaker 8: Sam?
- 33:23Speaker 9: Which category would you like? Gladiator? Alright, Steve?
- 33:27Speaker 8: How about you?
- 33:30Speaker 2: The Immigrant?
- 33:31Speaker 8: The Immigrant? All right?
- 33:32Speaker 4: Right, very good?
- 33:34Speaker 2: I love Immigrant?
- 33:36Speaker 4: Okay, thank you, congratulations.
- 33:38Speaker 1: All right, here we go. Let's play the game right now.
- 33:41Speaker 1: You picked Sam and Iowa a man a few words.
- 33:44Speaker 1: You picked Gladiator. These athletes were all part of notable fights.
- 33:47Speaker 1: Are you ready? Sam?
- 33:49Speaker 4: Yeah? All right, we need the first and last name,
- 33:52Speaker 4: and we're on our way.
- 33:54Speaker 1: Go. Star defensive player for the Cleveland Browns right now,
- 34:01Speaker 1: all right, the worm for the Chicago Bulls in the
- 34:04Speaker 1: nineteen eighties, the Paces.
- 34:06Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, thank you you. I'll take credit for it.
- 34:10Speaker 6: Uh.
- 34:10Speaker 4: He changed his name. He played for the Indiana Pacers.
- 34:13Speaker 1: He started the malice at the palace at basketball player
- 34:16Speaker 1: player That is correct. Picture for the Red Sox, not
- 34:20Speaker 1: Kurt Shilling, but the number one picture for that Red
- 34:23Speaker 1: Sox team that won the World Series from the Dominican Republic,
- 34:27Speaker 1: that is correct. Got into a fight with Robin, got
- 34:31Speaker 1: into a fight with Nolan Ryan. A fight with Nolan
- 34:34Speaker 1: Ryan got his He said that did not Yes, you did, Yes,
- 34:41Speaker 1: said Rob, said Rob. I just said Robins.
- 34:43Speaker 8: That does not count.
- 34:44Speaker 4: He said ninety I said Rob, all right, I did say,
- 34:47Speaker 4: I said Rob. Rob.
- 34:48Speaker 9: We said we are we have Rob Parker. The immigrants,
- 34:53Speaker 9: these athletes were Rob Parker. These athletes were all born
- 34:56Speaker 9: in another country.
- 34:58Speaker 6: You're getting all.
- 34:59Speaker 9: Right, see forty five seconds on the clock. Let's begin.
- 35:03Speaker 9: Japanese slugger for the Dodgers. Full name.
- 35:10Speaker 4: Heydani.
- 35:11Speaker 9: Yes, okay, thank you. This guy's the star player on
- 35:14Speaker 9: the Lakers. He's from like Slovenia.
- 35:17Speaker 4: Uh Luca.
- 35:19Speaker 9: Yes, this guy was a Canadian on the Philadelphia the
- 35:23Speaker 9: Phoenix Suns.
- 35:24Speaker 8: He won like a couple MVPs.
- 35:25Speaker 4: Oh uh, all right.
- 35:29Speaker 9: This guy was a slugger from the Dominican Republic for
- 35:31Speaker 9: the Angels. People are considering him to be a manager Albert. Yes,
- 35:37Speaker 9: this guy was nicknamed the Nigerian Nightmare. No, this guy
- 35:45Speaker 9: was a Polish kicker for the Raiders.
- 35:48Speaker 4: Kicker Christian friend, you went for.
- 35:54Speaker 9: The joke, so we have we have seventy seventy alright, Steve,
- 35:59Speaker 9: we're back up.
- 36:00Speaker 8: Do you want eight millimeter or Napoleon?
- 36:03Speaker 4: Napoleon?
- 36:05Speaker 8: No, it's Steve.
- 36:06Speaker 4: It's Steve.
- 36:07Speaker 9: You're gonna gets all right, all right, Steve, We've got Napoleon.
- 36:13Speaker 9: These athletes were all considered short in their sport. Ah okay,
- 36:18Speaker 9: all right, forty five seconds. Let's begin. He's the short
- 36:21Speaker 9: quarterback for the Cardinals. Right now, the.
- 36:25Speaker 4: Guy that doesn't play video games, Kyler Murray.
- 36:28Speaker 9: Yes, yes, this guy was on the Seahawks and the Broncos.
- 36:31Speaker 9: Now he's a backup on the Giants. Well man, mister unlimited. Okay, yes,
- 36:41Speaker 9: this guy was a cheating astro. He's like five to five.
- 36:45Speaker 9: He's a cheating astro. He's like five to five.
- 36:50Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, little guy.
- 36:52Speaker 4: Okay, how about.
- 36:54Speaker 9: This guy's got the same name as the famous point
- 36:56Speaker 9: guard from the Detroit Pistons.
- 37:00Speaker 8: No, but he's on there, doesn't doubt.
- 37:04Speaker 4: Who's the shortest player of all time? Oh you didn't
- 37:06Speaker 4: get it. He said the name.
- 37:08Speaker 8: He said the name. That count hundred.
- 37:11Speaker 4: That's one hundred point.
- 37:13Speaker 8: Let's go.
- 37:13Speaker 1: Let's go, Steve, all right here.
- 37:15Speaker 4: We are tam but Sam, all right, yeah, these are
- 37:19Speaker 4: these all War number eight? They all War number eight.
- 37:21Speaker 4: Are you ready, Sam?
- 37:22Speaker 5: Yeah?
- 37:23Speaker 4: All right?
- 37:23Speaker 1: Uh, star of the Star of the nineteen seventies Pittsburgh Pirates.
- 37:28Speaker 1: We are family hit tail a record back African American
- 37:32Speaker 1: guy hit tons of home runs for the Pirate.
- 37:36Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, there you go, shut up.
- 37:39Speaker 8: Not yours.
- 37:40Speaker 1: Greatest punter of all time for the Raiders. He's not
- 37:43Speaker 1: a man, he's a rod.
- 37:46Speaker 8: We win ms name.
- 37:48Speaker 4: Let's go way. Muggsy folks did not count. Muggsy did
- 37:53Speaker 4: not count.