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49ers vs Colts NFL DFS Showdown | Week 16 MNF | Picks, Plays & Process · Daily Fantasy Sports by Ship It Nation

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  Speaker 1: that today Hoop and I are the only ones here
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  Speaker 1: to man. Booth is gonna break down forty nine ers
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  Speaker 1: at the Colts to round up week sixteen, and Naid's
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  Speaker 1: automatically in the chat for us here today, Hoopster, bring
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  Speaker 1: you in on this has any meaningful game? Jared Goff
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  Speaker 1: just shoots down his leg cheeks. That was rough, pathetic?
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  Speaker 2: Really yeah, that was say. I guess Nad's opened up
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  Speaker 2: the can. That was bad. But it's like, man, if
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  Speaker 2: you've watched these shows, I mean, I'm obviously Lions fan,
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  Speaker 2: but I've been very very realistic since day one, and
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, you could just kind of see like
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  Speaker 2: when the writing's on the wall and the way the
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  Speaker 2: NFL is like Jared Goff is not gonna win NFL
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  Speaker 2: games long term, like his style of play is, the
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  Speaker 2: way he plays quarterback is obsolete, like in the Peyton
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  Speaker 2: Manning area. Yeah, that stuff kind of kind of worked,
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  Speaker 2: Like obviously he's nowhere close to Peyton Manning, but like
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  Speaker 2: where you don't need to really escape, Tom Brady was
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  Speaker 2: able to do it. Like those those sort of quarterbacks
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  Speaker 2: are a dying breed, Like you have to have some mobility,
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  Speaker 2: Like you have to be able to escape pressure. You
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  Speaker 2: don't need to be running quarterback, you have to be
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  Speaker 2: able to escape some pressure. And Jared Goff not only
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  Speaker 2: can't escape pressure, but when pressure comes he makes bad decisions.
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  Speaker 2: I've never seen a quarterback recently spike so many balls
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  Speaker 2: into the ground like way short of the past catcher.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, for me, it's obviously easy to absorb
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  Speaker 2: because I've been realistic about it, and I understand that
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  Speaker 2: I understood for a while, like it wasn't gonna be
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  Speaker 2: the answer. But like the problem with the Lions, the
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  Speaker 2: arrogance of like never making any moves like at all,
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  Speaker 2: like just being so loyal to a fault to the
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  Speaker 2: core that you have, unwilling to make any trades, unwilling
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  Speaker 2: to uh, you know, just make any changes. It's gonna
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  Speaker 2: it's gonna hurt me. It's hard to bounce back. Like
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  Speaker 2: once you get up there and then you start coming
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  Speaker 2: back down a little bit, it's hard to get back
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  Speaker 2: up there like they were up there, best team, probably
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  Speaker 2: one of the best team in the NFL, you know,
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  Speaker 2: last couple of seasons. Once it starts falling off, it's
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  Speaker 2: hard to get back. So expecting expecting some rough times
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  Speaker 2: moving forward for the Lions.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll be talking about him. Yeah, at Philip Rivers,
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  Speaker 1: although I will say, if you want to bet the Colts,
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  Speaker 1: you should get running. It started at plus six and
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  Speaker 1: a half, then five and a half, and now it's
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  Speaker 1: at four and a half. So people are.
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  Speaker 2: Better four and a half.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the people have faith in the fact that Philip
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  Speaker 1: Rivers had just got off the couch last week and
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  Speaker 1: almost beat the Seahawks and didn't quite get there. As
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  Speaker 1: we know how that ended. But I think people have
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more faith. So what we're seeing people
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  Speaker 1: bet it down right now and people talking about it too.
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  Speaker 1: I'm seeing it out on X and different you know,
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  Speaker 1: people posting about it, So we'll see. But we all
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  Speaker 1: took some els yesterday. I could say that the Ravens
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  Speaker 1: took a tough loss as well last night. And speaking
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  Speaker 1: of teams that won't ever do anything, I you know,
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  Speaker 1: lobby for Harbaugh for a long time. This guy just
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  Speaker 1: had someone has to be fired immediately when you have
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  Speaker 1: a guy Derrick Henry gashing a team with no Lamari
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  Speaker 1: even needed, and he's gashing them for seven point one
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  Speaker 1: per carry on almost twenty carries, by the way, as
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  Speaker 1: long as twenty three, so I guet he had a
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  Speaker 1: big run in there. But still you can't just shut
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  Speaker 1: the guy down because you have a running back rotation.
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  Speaker 1: Yeahs saving them for the playoffs you're not gonna be in,
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  Speaker 1: Like it doesn't make any sense.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it if you're coasting into the playoffs,
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  Speaker 2: Like I totally get it. If they had a spot
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  Speaker 2: locked up and they're gonna win the division and you
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  Speaker 2: know they're gonna get into the playoffs, then it makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: Stick to the script. You don't get that luxury when
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  Speaker 2: you're fighting for a playoff spot. The Steelers are ahead
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  Speaker 2: of you. You have to win the game. You don't
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  Speaker 2: have the luxury to stick to a running back, uh
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  Speaker 2: you know, by committee, or a running back who hot hands,
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  Speaker 2: whatever whatever it may be. Obviously it's scripted out. This
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  Speaker 2: guy's getting these drives. Like you throw that shit out
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  Speaker 2: the window and you go win the fucking football game.
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  Speaker 2: These coaches are just not very smart, even the good ones,
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  Speaker 2: like like I'm sorry, Like that dude was rolling, you
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  Speaker 2: just continue to feed him. And even more so when
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  Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson goes out, you feed his ass and they
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  Speaker 2: paid the price, lost the game, and you'll probably eliminate
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  Speaker 2: it from the playoffs now. So yeah, they have a
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  Speaker 2: good offseason.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah that's what happens, man. But like I said, there
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  Speaker 1: has to be accountability for stuff like that, because realistic.
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  Speaker 1: The Ravens are one of the first teams to use
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  Speaker 1: analytics too. It's like the analytics say, this guy is
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  Speaker 1: actually absolutely smashing them on the ground right now. You
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  Speaker 1: need to throw all the other shit out and just
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  Speaker 1: go with that. That's what the analytics say. So forget
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  Speaker 1: the rotations. But good segue like this said, way to
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  Speaker 1: open it up a bit of a quick recap, but we
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  Speaker 1: will hop into the forty nine ers at the Colts hoop.
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  Speaker 1: I'll let you give the grand scheme overview for it.
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  Speaker 1: Then we'll go through the captain's position by position, any
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  Speaker 1: FanDuel differences and get everybody out of here as quickly
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  Speaker 1: as we can with giving them all the information that
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  Speaker 1: they need. So what's the grand scheme overview for this one?
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  Speaker 1: How do you see a plan out?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? So, I mean I think definitely, you know, what
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  Speaker 2: we saw from the phillip Rivers Lad Colts last week
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  Speaker 2: is probably what we're going to see a lot of
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  Speaker 2: this week, where they're just trying to get rid of
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  Speaker 2: the ball as quickly as humanly possible, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: there's not going to be many explosive plays on the
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  Speaker 2: Colt side. I think we can definitely agree to that.
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  Speaker 2: I think everyone can agree to that. So what it
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  Speaker 2: really does is almost it really does force you to
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  Speaker 2: go a forty nine ers heavy approach in captain in
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  Speaker 2: my eyes, like that's what I just don't see outside
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  Speaker 2: of Jonathan Taylor obviously, who does I think benefit maybe
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  Speaker 2: a little bit from the philip Rivers thing because he's
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  Speaker 2: gonna get more dump off, he's gonna get more screens
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  Speaker 2: and there if they get any sort of lead lead,
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  Speaker 2: they're gonna just rely on him heavily. So I think
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  Speaker 2: Jonathan Taylor is a phenomenal play in all formats. But
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  Speaker 2: after that, it is hard pressed to find a Colt
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  Speaker 2: Sky that you feel comfortable playing up top and you know,
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  Speaker 2: you know, maybe you have something, but I just don't
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  Speaker 2: see it. Like they're not even trying. They're not gonna
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  Speaker 2: try for any big sort of plays. Uh. And then
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  Speaker 2: like the volume stuff like Michael Pittman Junior or Tyler
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  Speaker 2: warrener guy that been able to get there strictly on
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  Speaker 2: just volume alone. They've had like really big reception sort
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  Speaker 2: of games. Then you find the end zone and it's good.
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  Speaker 2: I just don't see it here with this, with this offense.
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  Speaker 2: So it, you know, leads me to a forty nine
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  Speaker 2: ers that have heavy approach up top, and that's honestly
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  Speaker 2: probably what the field does. So it's gonna be you know,
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  Speaker 2: what can you do to get a little bit different
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  Speaker 2: in the flex is kind of how I'm approaching this
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  Speaker 2: one forty nine Ers offense kind of at full strength.
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  Speaker 2: I think they're I think they're legit contender this this
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  Speaker 2: this season to win the whole thing. I mean they
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  Speaker 2: were decimated early on in the year, you know, no
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  Speaker 2: brock Purty, no Kiddle. I mean they're down to nothing.
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  Speaker 2: They grinded through that and now they're at full strength,
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  Speaker 2: you know, kind of rolling into the playoffs. I expect
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  Speaker 2: the forty nine ers to make a run potentially this year.
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  Speaker 2: And just in regards to this game though, it's like
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  Speaker 2: they have all their main guys and that's who they
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  Speaker 2: kind of go to, McCaffrey, Kittle, Jennings and actually buz
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  Speaker 2: his names out, piersill Right. We do have some cheaper
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  Speaker 2: potential options Kendrick Bourne pretty cheap to Marcus Robinson's getting
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  Speaker 2: some reps, but they still stick to some times. It's
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  Speaker 2: not like the situation what was the I can't remember
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  Speaker 2: the last Showdown slate we did, but it was like
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  Speaker 2: eight different six different random wide receivers. They could get
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  Speaker 2: some reps. Like with the forty nine Ers, it's still
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  Speaker 2: despite being down a guy, it's still just it goes
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  Speaker 2: to the next guy born into Marcus Robinson. They're not
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  Speaker 2: gonna mix in a ton of different guys like the
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  Speaker 2: Packers do or whoever it may be. So I think
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  Speaker 2: it's a pretty clean game in terms of DFS, and
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  Speaker 2: I don't think there's much guessing about the slate. I
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  Speaker 2: think you know each team, you kind of know what
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  Speaker 2: they're gonna do, and you can kind of apply that
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  Speaker 2: to your last year tonight.
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  Speaker 1: I agree with a lot of that, and glad you
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  Speaker 1: broke it down that way, because I think it's important
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  Speaker 1: just to think about it from that perspective. Even in
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  Speaker 1: the trailing script, like a lot of the chats talking
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  Speaker 1: about and that type of setup. From a captain perspective,
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  Speaker 1: It's like I would consider Warren up top. I like
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  Speaker 1: him obviously. Jonathan Taylor, if you're going that side of
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  Speaker 1: the builds, I am. I'm playing a portfolio of builds.
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  Speaker 1: But I think for people building one lineup, they're gonna
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  Speaker 1: have a tricky time going to those guys. And so
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  Speaker 1: I wonder, too, who would you think as we segue
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  Speaker 1: to captain now, Jonathan Taylor projects to be just behind McCaffrey,
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  Speaker 1: But I don't know, like, you know, Okay, sure he's
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  Speaker 1: gonna behind him. I definitely know that. I'm saying it
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  Speaker 1: in the other way, I'm like, I know he's gonna
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  Speaker 1: behind him, but is it really only going to be
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  Speaker 1: a few percentage points that JT is behind him, or
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  Speaker 1: do people just find that money because it's only an
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  Speaker 1: extra twelve hundred dollars to get to McCaffrey. I think
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  Speaker 1: we could see McCaffrey really get up there, and even
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  Speaker 1: JT could moonwalk back a little bit. You'd add a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of his moonwalk to McCaffrey, but I think
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  Speaker 1: you'd add more of it to like Purty Kittle, Jennings,
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  Speaker 1: guys like that that start to get a boost because
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  Speaker 1: people just prefer to go that route. What are your thoughts?
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  Speaker 2: I personally think it's a wider gap than everyone's kind
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  Speaker 2: of showing. You know, we have it as like a
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  Speaker 2: three point gap between the two. McCaffrey read around twenty
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  Speaker 2: five percent, Jonathan Taylor twenty two percent of the Captain
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  Speaker 2: Saber does show it the opposite, which I totally disagree with.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's definitely going to be McCaffrey that gets
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  Speaker 2: more because they're favored in this game. They have a
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  Speaker 2: higher team total, So I think it's McCaffrey. I think
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  Speaker 2: you could potentially get twenty eight ish range, and I
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  Speaker 2: think Jonathan Taylor could end up like eighteen nineteen twenty.
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  Speaker 2: So I think there's a chance where it might be
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  Speaker 2: like an eight to ten percentage point gap when it's
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  Speaker 2: all said and done, and not no one's really showing
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  Speaker 2: that right now, but I do think that that will
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  Speaker 2: be the case. They're projected to score, you know, five
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  Speaker 2: more points, are projected to win the game, obviously by
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  Speaker 2: by four and a half or five, and then the
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  Speaker 2: offense is just clean, much much cleaner on the forty
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  Speaker 2: nine ers, and I think a lot of people are
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  Speaker 2: going to go there. So to your point, I do agree.
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  Speaker 2: I think I think the gap does end up wider.
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I see Matthew has brought it up here now,
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  Speaker 1: and I mean this is Kenny's correct on this, you know,
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  Speaker 1: address Kenny's Craig. Yeah, the you know niners, Rundy has
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: been poor with the not one hundred percent, this is true,
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  Speaker 1: But also less of my worries like that. That's not
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  Speaker 1: why I'm considered. What we do on this show is considered.
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  Speaker 1: All I care about is what the field is doing.
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  Speaker 1: What actually ends up happening is what's going to actually
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  Speaker 1: end up happening, and it matters after the results come
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  Speaker 1: out and for our lineups. But I'm saying like, I
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  Speaker 1: want to know how is the field building, so I
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  Speaker 1: can assess how I want to build against them, And
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if as many people are considering that
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  Speaker 1: for that reason or even thinking about that. And I
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  Speaker 1: think to Hoop's point there, and what I what will
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  Speaker 1: end up seeing tonight is that JT is popular, but
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  Speaker 1: just not as popular as he currently projects. For at
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  Speaker 1: least the gap will be wider between McCaffrey and him,
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  Speaker 1: because I do think people can find the money quite
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  Speaker 1: easily and just move it over. So and you'll see
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  Speaker 1: other stuff tonight too, who if you will see one
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  Speaker 1: fives with McCaffrey up top and people trying to run
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  Speaker 1: it back, or two four's, like you're just gonna see
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  Speaker 1: more lineups, and then of course you'll have five ones
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  Speaker 1: or four two's and three threes and all that on
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  Speaker 1: top of it. So I think you're gonna see the
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  Speaker 1: Niners heavy, and for good reason, not many people are
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  Speaker 1: gonna want, you know, play Philip Rivers. No one ever
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  Speaker 1: really wants Michael Pittman. I mean, you know, the assumption
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  Speaker 1: is obviously that downs and piers are rendered useless when
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  Speaker 1: you've got Philip Rivers in there, I think Warren will
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  Speaker 1: get a little bit and then after that you get
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  Speaker 1: almost nothing. So I think it's kind of just the sites.
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  Speaker 1: When we're doing ownership, we're looking at sort of assessing
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  Speaker 1: it based on initial interest and thoughts, and because JT
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  Speaker 1: is sort of the only one that stands out, that's
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  Speaker 1: where the bigger number comes from. But we'll see how
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  Speaker 1: it actually comes out when we get there. So what
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  Speaker 1: other captains you were talking, you know, playing maybe a
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  Speaker 1: little bit tighter today more in the forty nine ers.
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  Speaker 1: How are you sort of seeing it play out? What
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  Speaker 1: captains do you like up top?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's gonna be kind of boring for
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  Speaker 2: me in the captain spot because I think on the
• 12:24
  Speaker 2: cold side it's just going to be Jonathan Taylor, and
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to go like crazy on Jonathan Taylor.
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  Speaker 2: I just want to be somewhere around the field on him.
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  Speaker 2: But I will be more definitely more focused on the
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: San franc side, just fewer questions and I know where
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  Speaker 2: it's coming from. Andy have Pearcel out as well, which
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  Speaker 2: I think is a little bit of a boost to
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: everyone else in terms of their ceiling. Like obviously Born
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  Speaker 2: and DeMarcus Robinson become better plays more playable, but I think,
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  Speaker 2: to me, there's still more flex plays. I'm looking at McCaffrey,
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking at Perdy, Kittle and Jennings, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: if I do can solid and really you know, hammer
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  Speaker 2: it down, then I can kind of get overweight on
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  Speaker 2: all those guys. You know, for me, it's going to
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  Speaker 2: be probably somewhere around twenty percent Jonathan Taylor. I'd like
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  Speaker 2: to get over the field on McCaffrey, So I'm thinking
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  Speaker 2: like thirty three percent at least on McCaffrey. Then you
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  Speaker 2: got Purdy, which you know I can play. We're showing
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  Speaker 2: nine percent like somewhere over ten, and then Kittle ten
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  Speaker 2: to fifteen range, and then Jennings right around ten. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm at least over on every captain that I play,
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  Speaker 2: and then probably right around the field on Jonathan Taylor.
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  Speaker 2: So if it is one of the main forty nine
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  Speaker 2: ers captains, guys, I have more pass to get there
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  Speaker 2: than the field. So that's kind of how I'm playing it.
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  Speaker 2: I just don't really want any of the fringe guys
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  Speaker 2: like even you know Born and DeMarcus Robinson who get
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  Speaker 2: the big boost, Like I just don't really see them
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  Speaker 2: up in the Captain, but I do agree with you.
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  Speaker 2: If I was going to add one more Coltsky would
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  Speaker 2: definitely be Warren, and his ownership is looking pretty low.
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  Speaker 2: On the Captain we have it at five, Saber has
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  Speaker 2: it at four, so it wouldn't take much to get
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  Speaker 2: over on one. He'd be the next guy that I
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  Speaker 2: do add to the group. And like it is a
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  Speaker 2: cheap price tag on Warren, Like his Captain price is
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  Speaker 2: still under ten k, like ninety nine one hundred, So
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: you do get like a mid tier sort of build
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  Speaker 2: if you do play a guy like Tyler Warren up top,
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: so you can kind of play him up there and
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  Speaker 2: load up on with some of the studs on the slate.
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  Speaker 2: But it's definitely going to be forty nine ers heavy
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  Speaker 2: for me for me up top.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we'll see this too, But you know, I
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  Speaker 1: use the stone at Tibernation and we have the Captain
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  Speaker 1: optimals in there. There's like six standouts, and four of
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  Speaker 1: them are on the forty nine er side. One of
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  Speaker 1: them is two of them are on the other side,
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  Speaker 1: but it's like way less it's on Warren. So it's
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  Speaker 1: exactly what we just said it's the four guys over there,
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  Speaker 1: the two on the other side, the other considerations, like
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  Speaker 1: the chat mentioned, I guess it's teach their own and all.
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  Speaker 1: How you view it, like forty nine d actually pops
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  Speaker 1: because obviously, if you like all the forty nine ers
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  Speaker 1: and you're going to get swilp rivers and you think
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  Speaker 1: that that's how the game is going to go, then sure.
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  Speaker 1: But one thing about that is like you're going to
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  Speaker 1: end up on a very similar lineup. So I think
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  Speaker 1: it's really good if you're playing a really like a
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  Speaker 1: very small field. But that's kind of the main issue
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: with that. Guys like him and Pinero won't be heavily
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: owned at all, but you'll land into a very heavily
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: owned build. So hopefully you're in a smaller field where
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: it can make a bigger difference for you. Go ahead.
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and just on the party thing, I hope that
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: holds true. I mean, we're showing a very low number.
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: We're showing eight or nine, but Saber has it at
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: like five to six range. If it's like below ten,
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: which seems pretty pretty likely to be below ten, I
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: think he's a you know, he might end up being
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: my favorite captain up top for a few reasons, like
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: he'll spread it out to all the guys, including the
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: running back obviously, and then you have some rushing upside too.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, it ran the ball seven times last game,
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: seven for forty four, so you know, three hundred three
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: touchdowns forty yards rushing is definitely in the cards for
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: sure tonight. So I do really like pretty up top.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll have to see.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: Definitely made sure to avoid that. Like anytime we're throwing
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: on like two numbers, I'm avoiding those two. I'll just
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: bump it up one, you know, to go to seven
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: eight or five six or something. I'm on the sides
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: of the six seven. I'm not getting right in the
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: middle there anymore.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: Since it's been banned in schools, now it's easier. It's
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: faster account to ten one, two, five, eight nine ten
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: done missing that's the one, so you just get right
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: through it. But yeah, we will see. But my I
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: guess my thought would be is I think we're closer
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: on Kittle, Like I think we're almost around fifteen on Kittle,
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: And I actually think that's possible because at twelve six,
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: he's a bit of a break party. Is just in between,
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: So I do think Purdy stays behind Kittle, But honestly,
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: I think that tightens up a lot more than sites
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: currently have it, including our own. So I think that
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: that's what people are gonna come around to, because the
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: builds sort of look nice, and when you put them together,
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: it's really easy. His target try got shorter, like you said,
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: with no pearsol I don't. It's not like to me too.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: By the way, it's not the same as this game
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: has a bunch of backup options at wide receiver. To
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: your point, you've made the last few shows we've done
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: together on this hoop where it's like who is the
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: actual wide receiver too, and for you know, the forty
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: nine ers, it's probably Kiddle, but you know, and then
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: it goes to Bourne, who definitely will still get action
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: and guys from down there, but it's not the same
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: as these nobody like for them, I feel like Bourne
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: is fine. I feel like Robinson's fine, and then it's whatever,
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: and we'll talk about that and we get the fan
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: duel later. But putting perty up top with two to
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: three pass catchers is very simple on this late and
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: then whatever happens after that. Also if you're trying to
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: leverage McCaffrey or whatever you're doing there. If you want
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: to use him in the flex, you can still do
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: that as well, quite easily. So I definitely think it's
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: interesting on how it's gonna play out. But I think
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: there's I think the ownership numbers are wrong right now,
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: and we'll tighten things up before lock. But I think
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: that this is the setup of just the early thoughts
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: and the way it's kind of going as of now.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't have too much else to add though.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: At Captain, Like I said, I think it's pretty straightforward.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be you know, how you're building building out
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: your lineups. The other thing is more roster construction as
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: a whole. Just again on early builds. First, rud dry
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: runs like we always talk about and do four to
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: two for the San Francisco side and three three with
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: the San Francisco Captain are like by far the most popular.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: You're not seeing as many five ones as usual. Again,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: if you are seeing five ones, it's it's obviously very
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: heavy to the forty nine ers side. So just things
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: like that that you can think about depending on the
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: field or buy in or whatever. You're playing in just
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: is gonna be what you're gonna have to think about
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: more than kind of the rest of it. You know,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: it's pretty clear these captains are, and then after that
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: build it out from there. Anything else you want to
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: add at quarterback in general, Like, I guess this is
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: the way about quarterback then, because clearly, if you're playing
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: pretty up top, and we are and we're talking about
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: it a ton, it's easy. But what about rivers in
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: the flex? Like how much rivers do you think you'll see?
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: He's currently looking to be somewhere around twenty percent.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: On Yeah, I say, it's definitely an important talk point,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: like what you do with Philip Rivers, because I mean
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: there's probably been some slates, but man, how rare is
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: it to see a quarterback with such low ownership? Like yeah,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: I mean we're showing what you say, twenty percent, Yeah,
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: we have it like nineteen. Saber has it at thirteen.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: It's not going to be thirteen. Another source has it
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: at like sixteen. So everyone agrees sub twenty percent on
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: a starting quarterback. It's like wild, I still don't want
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: to play as us. I mean, the projection on Philip
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Rivers is we have it at eleven point eight, Saber
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: has it at ten point two. Like starting quarterback projection
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: below twelve, right, like that's going to be the projection.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: It's all sad and down below twelve, ownership low twenty.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: But like, what's the upside here? You know, how does
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: he get there? It's like a low scoring slate, right
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: if somehow this game is like seventeen to seven and
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: it's one passing touch on the Colt side, and you
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: know McCaffrey runs in two on the forty nine ers side,
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: and you need you know, whoever Philip Rivers threw the
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: touchdown to, Colts are going to try to make it
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: an ugly low scoring game. So I guess my initial
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: lean on Rivers is probably just overweight, like in the flex. Really,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just like he could We always talk
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: about it with like cheap running backs where they can
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: get there in you know, one drive, like one two
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: minute drill, where if they get three dump offs like that,
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: that could be enough. Like when you play Philip Rivers tonight,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: you're you're banking on a low scoring game, and you know,
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: even even despite the short little passes that he's gonna
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: throw there is a chance that someone breaks want and
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: takes it to the house. What if it's a little
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: you know, en route to Tyler Warren he breaks a tackle,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: gone for fifty sixty yards, Like, obviously that's gonna be
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: good for Warren, but it could be good enough for
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Philip Rivers as well. So I just got to be
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: overweight on a starting quarterback that's going to be under
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: twenty percent out Like, I don't care how old the
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: guy is. Yeh, obviously you know, Philip Rivers mid forties
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: is not very mobile, but he gets to touch the
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: ball on offense, you know, every single time before anyone
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: else does so at that lot ownership, I got to
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: be overweight, but it is an important talking point the
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Philip Rivers.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Then, man, the props are so disrespectful time.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: It's got to be so bad.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Crazy one hundred and fifty eight passing yards. They got
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: a point five over under his touchdown and you can't
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: give the guy one and a half and it's juice heavy.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: But I'm saying, like, get to the over. But I
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: guess it's pretty I guess that was another thing. I
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: talked about this with Nads this morning on Takedown Breakdown.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: When they give an I know what happens sometimes when
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: they when you give an NFL team, like an eleven
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: point team total like the Raiders yesterday. We've just seen
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: so much happen this NFL season, like they're still an
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: NFL team. It's it's pretty crazy, like and they almost
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: won the game. I know that was some crazy outcomes
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: with gent but man, that was eleven was their team total,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: and they popped up twenty one like these teams. I
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: think Kenny just said it in the chat. I saw
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: it here talking about obviously Atlanta versus Tampa Bay yesterday,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: but he said, this guy just scored, like Kirk Cousins
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: just propped up almost thirty points or something yesterday with
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: three hundred and seventy three yards three touch Like anything
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: can happen with these guys.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: So many outs too, with like NFL offens. It's like
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: on the offensive side, like if you're at the fifty
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: yard line, you just throw a bomb up on third
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: and long pass interference, you know, down at the one
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: or two yard line, like you're gonna score points most
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: likely at that time. So there's just so many outs.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: That's why, Yeah, these these low team totals you do
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: see it quite frequently where the opposing team does pay
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: it off. And what is the Colts team total tonight
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: at twenty so they had actually do have a respectable number.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The other thing I think what Ross was trying
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: to say in the chat and it's not I don't know.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: My book has quite a little bit different. But but he
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: says so Jay the other thing about the JT stuff.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: So maybe just circling back a little bit on JT
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: cause we're going to running back in a minute. Anyway,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: I'm with you on the overweight stance on rivers. I'll
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: say for you know in flex like you mangine again,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: if you have the stone, you'll be able to see
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: this stuff. I think our ownership is closer on him
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: to being correct, and he's still looking pretty good. If
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: you don't have the stone, you can get it. We'll
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: show you how in a minute. But just one one
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: quick note I'll say, is going back to JT. Maybe
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: maybe he will be as popular as it currently says
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: up top because he is plus two ten on my
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: book to score twice, and to put that in perspective,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: so he's minus two twenty five to score once. Now
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: you got McCaffrey minus two hundred, you got Kittle plus
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: one twenty, and then you got Jennings plus one forty five.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: After that, everybody else has worse odds to score once
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: than JT has to score twice, So they still got
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: him putting up all the points. And that's the thing
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: as well with mixing the Rivers and Taylor conversation together,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: is like they are they do have an implied team
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: total of twenty or something so or twenty and a half.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: So it's going to be a set up here where
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: you know, people are just assuming every point goes to Taylor,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: and we know how this works. That's just not always
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: the case.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I Mean the one thing though, that when I
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: when I think about Jonathan Taylor, like I don't I'm
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: not like an X and o's football sort of guy, Like,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: but how do you not just absolutely load the box
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: and say, all right, if Philip Rivers beats us deep,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: he beats us deep? Like how do you not just
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: have every I mean everyone up there? And you know,
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: maybe I didn't see maybe that is what Seattle did
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: last game and that's why it was like a low
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: scoring game. But like I would have everyone playing one
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: on one defense on the outsides, and I would bring
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: as many guys on that on that line of scrimmage
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: and make Philip Rivers beat me deep. Like if Philip
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Rivers beats me deep, cool, like we move on and whatever.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: But it's not. It's just not gonna happen. So like
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: that does scare me a little bit. Jonathan Taylor. I
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: think he's still definitely still good enough to get it
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: done against the loaded box. But you have to imagine
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: after like what they saw last week, you know on
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: tape on film, that they are going to be facing
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: a lot of guys on that front line tonight.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: I'd assume, yeah, that you said loaded box, and I'm
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: sure the chat will take that somewhere else. But I
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: have to ask, have you seen these like it's called
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: like porch pirates where they load the box with like
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: an exploding paint and when people run up to steal
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: the Amazon package, it blows up in their face.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Have you seen that?
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: You will die? We're getting I'm getting old now we
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: all call whatever you got. You will laugh so hard
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: at this because it's like the people start getting pissed
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: off at the ring camera and it's like you were
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: trying to rob me, But what are you talking about.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: They're like trying to call the cops and ship. It's like, yeah,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: the camera got you. You were trying to rob me
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: and then it blew up in your face. That's that's
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: the perfect the perfect setup. So yeah, you got to
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: watch that. But yeah, just going back to your point there,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: I think it's interesting because it was earlier this season.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: You know, obviously, thinking to j T makes me think
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: of you know, or when Kenny said the Kirk Cousins
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: thing story makes me think of Vijon, which makes me
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: now think of JT. And remember the Miami game earlier
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: this season. Miami's so bad versus the run, They're just
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: gonna crush them and it's gonna Bejon all day. And
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: then Drake London was ruled out. Now we don't have
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: a Drake London ruled out here, but it's like we
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: have a Michael Pittman Junior, a, Josh Downs and Alec
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Pearce and Tyler Warren. Like it's not the the heaviest
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: of hitters, so why would they not just do everything.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: It doesn't mean you can stop them, but do everything
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: in your power to slow it down. That way. And
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: then the thing is, you know, now they're saying it
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: here like you know, he can't even it's true all
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: this field goals Kenny loves, but in general, there's the
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: one he said right here. If the Colts have their way,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: this clock is gonna run a lot. And I actually
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: think whether they have their way or not, I think
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: it's gonna run a lot because they're gonna have to
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: throw these short passes and they're just gonna be these
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: little chip shots over the middle.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's why the last game was what eighteen
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: to six team they scored thirty four points and obviously
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: not professional sports better as we stay in our lane
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: and you know, stick to the DFS side of things.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: But man, like to me, the forty six and a
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: half total is just too high. And I know a
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: lot of things can happen in a football game, you know,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: the punt returned to the house, and you know the
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: total is gonna look much much different, but like to me,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: that seems like a high number. Like if I was
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: betting this, I would be on the under because the
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Colts are gonna want You saw it last week. It's
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: like just the continuous clock, continuous running short little things.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: That's all they can do on offense. It's literally all
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: they can do, and they want to grind the clock.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: And when the Colts get a lead, they're on the road,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Like when if the forty nine ers. If the forty
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: nine ers get a lead, they're on the road. I'm
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: sure they're gonna be fine getting the hell out of
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: there with the win as quickly as possible. So I'd
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: definitely be inclined to be on the under here posted over.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: The forty six and a half just seems like a
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: very high number to me.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: How about them Cowboys yesterday?
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know the title was. Uh, he
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: really wanted to bet that game for some reason, Like
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know why. There's like thirteen games, like you
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: can choose any other one, but he wanted he wanted
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: some action in that game. And yeah, it didn't go
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: the way that.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: I wonder why he's not on the show today. He's
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: mad be forced to boys yesterday and that didn't go well,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: So maybe that's what it is. It's good fun. Yes,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: the show was a lot of fun.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: I have some key key pieces of the Quintin Johnson
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: had had the big game and.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, you got Moss. That's why I wish he was
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: on here already had it. I'm giving them props double times.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: He was on takedown earlier. Man, this guy. As soon
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: as it happened, I went to the discord. It was
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: exploding with messages man and the Mosses, the Randy Watson's
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: from coming to America. We had everything going on in
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: the discord at that time. That's the best part.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: I love our guy title. But man, he's young and
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: he probably definitely doesn't appreciate the Randy Moss era. Like
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: you just threw it out there, just like it was
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: a normal statement, like Michael Wilson on you know Randy
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Moss's level, like title, like that shows your age, man,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: like Michael Wilson, Like.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: I want to get a clipped though, because his confidence
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: when you you gave a second chance to repeat it,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: and he doubled down so hard and then he got it.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: He just owned everybody, And that's what happened.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: It's like again not to nobody's gonna go with it
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: because obviously what you said, knowing the era and knowing
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: what Moss did and everything. But you know, for the
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: same day of his call to then watch that happen
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: with a style touchdown. That was cool. I thought that
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: was funny.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. That's good. Definitely, there's there's some good
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: content somewhere, that's for sure.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Isn't there Like a statement like we ain't Kansas no
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: more like from a movie or something like that. This
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: the Chiefs will be leaving the state of Missouri and
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: will announce the move to Kansas today. So yeah, I
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: don't sad time Minchew goes down and they got to move.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, organization altering injury.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Or yeah, you know, my homes whatever, but Minchew gotta
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: By the way, Minshew didn't tear his a ceel. They
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: checked it. Now, he's not quite an a c L injury.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: But that sucks.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Yesterday, Yeah, another another week you can play.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he won't be back this quickly. He's still he's
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: not that kind of player who he stays out when
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: he's out.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: So yeah, there's got to be more of the chief thing.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: But it's definitely interesting.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know what do they say. They said, uh,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: to replace the popular but aging Arrowhead Stadium with a new,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: state of the art venue capable of hosting major year
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: round events. Mhmm, yeah, sure, Yeah, he has other tax
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: reasons too, and I think.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Definitely financially driven thing. It's either finance, finances or politics.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Probably one of the two, i'd assume is the reason
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: they're they're doing this.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Follow the money, they say, whop, that's the kids are
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: saying these days. All right, what else have we got here?
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Any anybody else at running back you want to talk about?
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: I mean the McCaffrey side. We could switch over to
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: that and spend a minute there, and then we can
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: move through wide receiver, I think pretty quickly. But go
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: to the McCaffrey side of this. We talked enough about
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor. Is there any McCaffrey thoughts further or anybody
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: behind him? Or the Amir Abdullah stuff with the Colts,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: anything else you want to bring up a running back today?
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Not much more to say about McCaffrey or Taylor, and
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: we've talked about them a ton, but I will say
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: this is definitely it kind of goes against my style
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: of liking these backup running backs, but I think both
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: are viable. Brian Robinson Junior nine carries last game like
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: he has a legitimate role. I mean, it's probably somewhere between,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: you know, six to ten carries and more upside if
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: it is a blowout, which there's no reason to believe
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: it's going to be. I mean, the lines moving in
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: favor of the Colts, only four and a half favorites now,
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: but like he has a legit role at three k
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: one touchdown, probably need him and then a Mir Abdullah
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: five targets last game, and he's perfect for what they're
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: going to try to do with these little bullshit dump
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: off things. And he's twenty four hundred. So I think
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Robinson Junior and Abdullah are very solid plays. Kyle used
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Check like why does he always have like a decent projection,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Like I don't understand it. I'm out on used Check,
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: but I'm definitely in on those other guys. I think
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: they're both solid options. I probably prefer a Dula, to
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: be honest, just because the past catching and you know,
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: back to that point I kind of made before, like
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: one drive where he picks up three or four catches
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: could be enough. So I definitely like a Dula quite
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: a bit.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you on those comments that guy Kenny says,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: this isn't a sports betting show, but a forty six
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: point five total feels wild. You will not need to
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: bet at Kenny because you already have a nice hedge
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: with both kickers in your lineup, so don't worry about that.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: We know what your lineup is tonight, so yeah, just
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: get that role.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: It does seem super high, like I don't know it
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: is it is probably it is one of those situations
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: where it just doesn't seem like it should be anywhere
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: close to that. So they're probably gonna score like sixty, right,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, it definitely seems like that's the case, because
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: if you watched the Colts last week, like, how in
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: the world are they playing in a forty six and
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: a half total? Makes no sense, Like it's just there's
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: zero logic behind it. So they have to score like
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: sixty in this game. That's only that's that's the only
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: thing that you know, Well.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: There's more conspiracy to it is that the Christmas days
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: late is absolutely horrible for quarterbacks. Like who's actually playing
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: in it? Like you know people just posted about and
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: I agree, everyone is still gonna watch. Of course you are,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: that's what we do. But it's like that's the beauty
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: of the NFL not having games every single week, year round,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: and you don't get sick of it. You love it
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: and you wait for it. When you get it, you
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: savor it. But this game maybe just goes off whoop
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: as a little bit of excitement. They let them go
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: back and forth. We get the the battle and see
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: what happens. Like you said, anytime we think it's going
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: to be under or one sided or whatever on the opposite.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: So who's on Christmas?
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's like Dallas at Washington.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, son of a bitch, the Lions play Lions.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Where's where's that?
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: Maybe? Yeah, me and our boy Danny. But man, every holiday,
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: ROAs versus golf terrible. I might take the other dude,
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: give me the other guy.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be Yeah, Ola Duken, Ola Duken, Josh Johnson, Yeah,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Ross just put it in here. Oh yeah, NBA does
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: a bad job, man, NBA, NFL just took the candy
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: from him. It's too easy. You want to leave it
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: wide open. We'll go make the deals. We'll find a
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: way to get it done. I love the business side
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: of sports and and just in general.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: And I think that was I mean, all of these organizations,
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: you love them, hate them, have done a great job.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: The one organization that's going backwards is the NBA, Like
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: they've done a terrible job of managing everything, like it
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: just their sport is to superstar driven. It's really bad
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: when that's the case like that, it's just NBA has
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: done a terrible job. Like probably the only organization I
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: would say that's done a really bad job of building
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: their their league.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Even like all that people don't give enough credit to.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: But like the NHL, that World Cup that they created,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: it was amazing, so smart that had people going nuts.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: I know we ended up getting like USA Verus Canada,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: but still even if we didn't, it was gonna be
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: phenomenal people were watching that. That was very smart what
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: they did. And those are the little things that add
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: up the Cup series, the in Cup season, Like congrats
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: to the Knicks fans, but like man, this type of
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: stuff just ain't moving the needle. And the other one
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: is MLB. I thought, like when they were trying stuff
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: before with like the All Star Game means something for
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: your home field advantage and things like that, like at
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: least these things made some sense. But the problem with
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: the MLB is further because to do with the payroll,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: it's insane.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, the way it's set up where the teams
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: just pay the luxury attacks and get whatever. It's bad.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: But like the thing that baseball has going for it
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: is the time of year where people aren't even fans,
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: but they're going to take their family to a Major
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: League baseball game just for the experience. You're outside, you
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: get a hot dog, you know, mom and Deck can
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: have a couple of drinks. It's just like that will
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: always be there for baseball. NBA fucked up massively around
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: COVID doing that you know, bullshit tournament thing indoor, and
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: then Kenny said, you know, no matter what you are,
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: no matter what side you take politically, this is like
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: a political thing by any shape. But when a league
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: like that big gets deep into the political stuff, you're
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: that's going to turn people off in a huge way.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Like I know a lot of people that after the
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty stuff, they just said I'm not watching the
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: NBA anymore, and they haven't. And that's bad. When you're
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: alienating a massive group of people. It just shouldn't even
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: be about that. But you know, they're paying the price.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: They need to. They need a rebrand, like a restart,
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: almost because they have some of the best. I mean,
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: the NBA has to me the best athletes in the world.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: These guys are the best athletes in the world, the
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: guys that play in the NBA, and you know, it's
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: just not showcased on the level it should just because
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: of how bad it's managed.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think the rebrand is going to be
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: when a Saudi Arabian money comes in like it did
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: with Live But I think it'll work better in basketball.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: I think it'll actually work because the way basketball is
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: as a sport and like you know, every kid can
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: play it from growing up. It's not to say, like
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: for golf, the challenge has always been like not everybody
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: can afford golf or play golf, and you can't do
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: it year round and the weather gets involved, and you
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: play basketball indoors, outdoors year round, whatever level. Learn from
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: day one all the way up. So I just think
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: basketball and a lot of these major owners and stuff
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: like that that sold their share pieces in their in
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: their teams and stuff are because they're like, that is
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: a likely thing that could happen where this just becomes
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: its own league. And people have talked about like Lebron
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: eventually doing that or starting up his own or something
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: along those lines. So I don't know, tough to say.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough. I mean it's it's unfortunate, but like, yeah,
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: just be clear. Like I'm the like the political stuff
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: and sports, I wouldn't want it on the side that
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: I believe in either, Like I would not want politics,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: my politics jammed into the sport that I love. Like
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: that's like there should be, like they say a difference
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: between like church and state, there should be a difference
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: between sports and politics, Like it just should not coexist. Ever,
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: Like it's competition, go out there, compete. It shouldn't be
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: involved in any of it. And again, I think that's
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: where the NBA messed up in a pretty big way.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: But you know, maybe again it's unfortunate because I love
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: watching the NBA growing up and I'd like to get
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: back into it. But they need a full restart, rebrand,
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: whatever that may look at, because it's in a bad spots,
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: the only sport really that's declining in terms of viewership numbers.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and to Michael's point, and then we'll move on,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: that's what we're saying. They can literally have the worst
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: slate possible teams that, you know, it shaped out poorly
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: based on how the season went. They had it set
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: up for what could have been really good. It turned
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: out to be really bad. But it doesn't matter. Everyone
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: is gonna watch still and tune in on Christmas Day.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: They'll have their Netflix memberships. They'll bitch about that too,
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: but they'll still have it on and be watching it.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: So it's it's the way for sure.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so all.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Right, wide receiver room, you know, take us through it here, hoop.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: If there's anthing else to add. We talked about Piercell
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: being out. I definitely have interested in Jennings Born Robinson
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: on the forty nine ers side. I think that's they
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: all make sense. I'm gonna put Jennings up top. I
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: don't know, maybe even Born if it depends on how
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: I end up going captain tonight. But I could see that,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: But like the conversation would be bigger. When we looked
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: at the Fandual differences later, We're Born and DeMarcus Robinson
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: almost the same price and projected similarly on DraftKings. It's
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: almost a three thousand dollars difference over on FanDuel, So
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: things like that, depending on what site you're playing on
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: or both, and I think more people are going to
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: be likely to play Kittle for eighty four hundred, so
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: like you could see that, but he'll be slightly more
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: than Jennings. And then on the other side, it's Pittman,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Downs Peers, but they have really low ownership based on
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: the fact that Philip Rivers is throwing to them. So
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: that's the thoughts there.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the forty nine ers guys are clearer
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: plays obviously, Jennings Born and DeMarcus Robinson. You know, they project,
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: you know, you look at the numbers, they project pretty
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: close to like the Colt's main guys, and they're just
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: much much cheaper. So I think, you know, playing all
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: those guys makes a ton of sense. He does get
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: difficult though, on the Colt side, because you know we
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: saw last week it's a lot of dump offs, a
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: lot of short things like who's the one that can
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: get there. I think it's probably Pittman, but you know,
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: I think everyone's going to kind of think that it
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: can be Pittman, but the ownership on these guys are
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: super low. Pittman Downs and Peers, I mean, if they
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: are playing from behind in this game, and Philip Rivers
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: is forced to air it out. Which last game it
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: was it was close back and forth, so they're never
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: forced to really air it out like they're playing from behind.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: One of these guys has a chance to get there.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: So I mean they're starting wide receivers that there's different
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: plays too, Like they can get a little a slant
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: pass that you know goes the distance. So at this
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: ownership starting wide receivers, Like, I'm definitely interested in each
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: of these guys individually, but it's not a situation. I
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: don't know if you are making rules or something or
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: you're handbuilding. I don't want multiple colts wide receivers in
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: my lineup like I want just like you know, one
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: of those guys if any So I would be careful
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: when it comes to stuff like that. But they're going
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: to be on the fields. They could be forced to
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: pass it a little bit more than they did last week. Ownership,
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: to me, again, it's just too low on these same
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: as the Philip Rivers argument, where just to me, the
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: ownership's too low on him, same on these pass catchers.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Not comfortable. But there are paths I think where these
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: guys can get there. So that's the one thing that
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: definitely does stand out.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Dres says, if they do score forty points, is
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: it all backs? I think that's what people think, and
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: that's where you're gonna have to take some risk on.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: I love. I would definitely not want to be a
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: single entry player tonight in Showdown because I think, like again,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: it's gonna just you're gonna build something that looks good
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: that you're gonna feel comfortable with. But I think it's
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: gonna be filled with Jennings, Kittles, warrens, JT's, Christian mccavy's
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: not all of them because they can't all fit. But
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: I'm saying you're gonna feel very good about all those options.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: Like Hoop's point on the Michael Pittman situation, of course
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: he'd be the guy you'd feel most comfortable with. But
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: to be honest, if you go look, it's just you know,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: look at the odds, props all baked in, but thirty
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: and a half is a receiving line. Josh Downs twenty
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: three and a half, Alec Pierce twenty two and a half,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Warren thirty six and a half.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: Like it's not really all I need is to so
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: I told you in the Best Ball fifty five. I
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: got a team that's gonna advance. I'm fading one thing,
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: all right, So here's here, here's my fade. This is
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: why I feel so confident in advancing. I'm fading Michael
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Pittman to get thirty six Fantasy points tonight. So if
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Michael Pittman gets thirty six tonight, I will be breaking
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: my laptop and buying a new one tomorrow.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Just please film that for you know, all of us.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: You can't just break it and.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Not have it. If you ever felt, I mean, you
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: never want to feel good with the you know a
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: guy you're fading, last game of the week, blah blah blah.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: But man, I feel pretty good about the sweat tonight,
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: where I gotta be like a ninety nine point nine
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: percent favorite to advance Michael Pittman under forty Fantasy points.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Let's go.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Gary's in the chat, our guy, Gary Man, this guy's
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: so funny. Coming off is a night he get ninety
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: first at the Live final. I know he wasn't happy
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: with the result, but just getting there is insanely hard.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: But he said, I didn't get a single thirty three
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: thirty three ticket yesterday and I played nine million of
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: ticket contests. I hope you mean nine k or not
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: even that much to be honest, but says probably not
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: a good strategy. Yes, if you play in those satellites,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: you got to know what you're getting into. I think
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: they're amazing, a great way to build a bankroll. But
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: you know, I grind like the five dollars, the nine dollars,
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: the sixteen dollars and those types of ones. So what's
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: he what's he saying you?
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, he's in advance too. So yeah, I
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: didn't realize it was that small of a field. Fifty
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: two million up top, It's gonna be fun. I got
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: I got a Monra as well. I think you mentioned
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: up top you have Saint Browns. I have him on
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: my team too, so might be rooting for some of
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: the same stuff. Get a one to two finish hoop
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Kenny won too, I'll be a be an ideal scenario there.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: Would you take two to his one?
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Too?
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: Is five hundred thousand? If I could lock that in
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: right now, Yeah, I'll give him a million. I'll take
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: five hundred. I'll definitely take that.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: If I could lock him, he would take ild I'm
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: sure if Kenny was put on the spot he said
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: the same. Right now, we could lock that in. He'll
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: he'll do that for sure. But I do love those
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: like I have super fomo when that comes around, Like
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: I think, ye, I got to get in just for
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: the fun or the sweat equity of like the five
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: fifty fives. I'm not going to be grinding these twenty
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: dollars and like going all summer at all the ADPs
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: and doing all this stuff. It's just too hard for me.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: But I would like to do some higher stakes ones
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: and like have some fun with that. I had a
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: ton of fun playing Survivor this year. Got by yesterday.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: I swapped from the Lions to the Texans and that revival.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: It's down to eighty two teams now, but got the
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: solid run on. I got the Patriots next week against
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: the Jets, and then I got the Bills. The final
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: week against the Jets could be you know, six ten
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: k It's not gonna be crazy, but it could be something.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I've got to absolutely not run up. I mean,
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: I just need to get some more eliminations, more people eliminated.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, McVeigh still owes me nine hundred k from Week thirteen,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. You remembers and Gary said, I'm kidding,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: but it was a lot. So yeah, it's the way
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: it goes. Yeah, all right, I don't have too much
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: else to add here. I just will say, like you know,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: and this is I'm not comparing who these players are
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: because it's and it's definitely not like a random Michael
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Wilson's situation. I was more so saying, like yesterday, I
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: and this is variants and and some got to him,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: some didn't. But I don't think a lot of people
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: were getting to Parker Washington when there's Brian Thomas Junior,
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Jacoby Meyer. Strange like there was other options to go
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: to there. But it's just a reminder that like those
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: threes or four, like those guys can still come through
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: and have big games. And here where you're gonna feel
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: most comfortable with a Michael Pittman or a Warren, which
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: we'll get to in a second. At tight end in
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: your lineup, if you're going with a Colts pass catcher,
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Alec Pearce is dead on paper because you don't think
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: the Rivers can throw the long ball, but you know
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: it could be like a twenty yard pass or a
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: eighteen yard pass the guy slips through and then all
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: of a sudden he's gone with it or shifty with it,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: or guy slips or anything like. So it's oh, I
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: never would have thought he would have got this today. Well,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: people didn't think genty was gonna get two insane touchdowns
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: yesterday either, and the Raiders are gonna put up twenty one.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: Like it's football. We've seen crazy shit happen all season.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: So all I'm saying is with these wide receivers, I
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: don't really feel like you have to feel locked into
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: any of them for safety. I feel it's actually het
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: or to just embrace the variants on those Colts pass
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: catchers outside of Pittman and Warren, so Downs Pierced, go
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: with that, even moali Cox, you know, at the at
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: the tight end position, I'll segue us in like that's
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: a guy that I could see. Rivers just throw a
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: touchdown too. When they get down there or close like
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor brings them down. They end up rolling with
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: a guy like him down by the end zone. So
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: what are you doing here at tight end outside of
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: Kittle and Warren? If anything, we don't need to really
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: spend too much time on this.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Just those guys kind of talked about it. I mean,
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: I'm good with Kittle up top. Warren would be the
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: next guy to add to the player pool, but I'm
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: not playing any of these fringe dudes, Like there's you know,
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: fringe guys at other positions. I prefer over tight end.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: So it's it's just Kiddle more and honestly.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then kickers and defenses. We talked a little
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: bit about it earlier. Like I said, obviously, if you're
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: that high on the forty nine ers and against the Colts,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: I think you can do whatever you want with the
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: forty nine ers. I don't think they're going to be
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: more than two to three percent up top and then
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: inflex they'll be owned for sure. But also the kicker
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: are very closely priced. So Groopie and Panero like those
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: guys are right there as well. So what's your thoughts
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: on kickers here?
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, in on both. I mean Pinero, uh, you know,
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: we like to look at the game logs and he's
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: had some big boys scores this year ten twelve, seven, seventeen, eighteen, eleven, one,
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: twelve to fourteen fourteen, So he's hit double digits one, two, three, four, five, six,
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: seven eight times this year, and it looks like he
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: missed one week two and missed early on in the season,
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: so like eight out of like twelve weeks double digits
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: definitely in in that. And then I think group he's fine, Like,
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: they're gonna take points if they can get him, especially
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: if the game's close. We saw it last week. He
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: had to kick it shit ton of field goals last week. Yeah,
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: well you maybe I had made three fifteen fantasy points.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: They're gonna take the points when they can get them,
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: assuming the game's relatively close to both kickers. And then yeah,
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: fine with either defense, I guess. I mean the concern
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: obviously is even with the forty nine ers defense, which
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: projects better is the colt is getting rid of the
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: ball super super fast and keeping the clock running and
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: a lot of run plays, which does limit the upside.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: So I'm not thrilled with the defenses, but you know
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: they're probably in the pool.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and just a note on I'm not gonna add
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: too much more to that. You've got it covered, but
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: I will say just back to the fringe tight ends
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: and even the fringe wide receivers and stuff like the
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: Brian Robinson at three K is still right there, and
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: again I think he will have some ownership, but like
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: that's clearly the spots guy has solid touchdown prop for
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: his price, you know, in general, again not that those
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: are everything, but just noting it and the fact that,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: like you said, he's already had a role, there's a
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: couple of different ways this game could go where he's
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: involved still, so like really realistically he's kind of gamescript
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: independent for at least getting playing time, and then it's
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: a matter of just it could actually work even more
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: in his favor. And then also he has like almost
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: twenty five yards on the ground as his prop as well,
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: so like he's got the real numbers at just three K,
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: and I'm sure people are catching onto that he's fifteen
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: to twenty percent or something. But that is a way
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: that you could get different enough, just as a thought there,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: so definitely like that option for again, we'll see on
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: the line of builds shakeout, you got to think about
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: your total roster construction anything you saw on FanDuel from
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: your end, I noted one already Jennings versus Born Jennings,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: is what do we got here. Jennings is no no, no, sorry.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: It was born in Robinson, So forty four hundred and
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: four k born versus Robinson on DraftKings seventy two hundred
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: versus forty eight hundred on FanDuel in the difference, Yeah.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that stands out. Kittle, i'd say, is pretty damn
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: expensive on FanDuel. I mean, he's only six hundred dollars
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: cheaper than Purty Party's eleven eight Kittles eleven two eleven two.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: Kittle's got to do a lot. I mean, Jonathan Taylor
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: is twelve six, McCaffrey's thirteen k Kittle at eleven two
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: needs to do do something big, So that definitely stands out.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: Will you know, probably keep his ownership in check a
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: little bit more, But Jennings nine to four, you know,
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: the Kickers are still relative to everything else, pretty chea deep.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: I would say six to two for Groupie six eight
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: for PINNERO. Alec Pierce eighty six hundred dollars, Like how
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: in the world can you click that name like eighty
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: six even like game theory stuff like how could you
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: pay eighty six hundred for Alec Pierce? That is that's
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: one of the more wild price tags of the year.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: Your check is probably as cheap as you can go
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: at eighteen hundred. Uh so it's it's gonna be pretty
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: difficult over there again with roster construction because we just
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: lacked the cheap options. But man Alec Pierce.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: At eighty six more than Pittman, I just realized too.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's a that's a wild price tag. You
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: got Pittman's eighty four, Pierce is eighty six hundred.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, JP Mac. This is it's baked into the projections already.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: But it's like this is again, if you don't have
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: the Stone, I tell you all the time we're selling
• 50:51
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• 50:53
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• 50:55
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• 50:56
  Speaker 1: one spot. The projection's already right there, so I can
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: see Pierce versus Downs versus Pittman clean and easily. And
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: then it's like I can see their ownership too, And
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: that's where the discrepancy comes into me because ownership is
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: not baked in necessarily, even though sometimes people go off
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: that like there's obviously correlation to who has the better
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: projection there fur their getting put in more. But I'm
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: saying if you see a wide enough margin or gap
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: in something like that, it's just to explain it, like
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: I did in the receiving cores with the Colt spot.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: It's like automatically people would feel way better having Pittman
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: in there, for sure, because but realistically his projection, which
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: then comes from the prop from all that, it's like
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: it's these other guys are not far behind him at all,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: but he could be double or triple their ownership on
• 51:38
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• 51:41
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• 51:43
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