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What is Art, Culture, and Spirituality? Insights from Kendrick Lamar’s Super Bowl Show · All About The Joy

0:04
Carmen Lezeth: Hi everyone, welcome to All About the Joy.
0:07
Carmen Lezeth: Welcome Alma, mario I'm sorry I'm giggling and Rick, how are you guys doing tonight?
0:15
Maurio Dawson: Good, good, good to see you.
0:17
Carmen Lezeth: So I sent you guys the thing I wanted to talk about.
0:21
Carmen Lezeth: I really want to talk about art and get your ideas on art, but we're doing the jump off because of the Kendrick Lamar halftime show at the Super Bowl.
0:31
Carmen Lezeth: I know there's been a lot of analysis over it, so I don't know if we need to dive deep back into all that.
0:38
Carmen Lezeth: But there's a lot of symbolism, a lot of haters out there, a lot of people who didn't get it.
0:43
Carmen Lezeth: I wanted to get your initial feelings on it first, and maybe I'd start with Mario, then we'll go to Rick and then to Alma.
0:51
Maurio Dawson: Well, they're not like us.
0:52
Maurio Dawson: So that's my first comment.
0:56
Carmen Lezeth: And thank you for joining the show.
0:58
Carmen Lezeth: We appreciate you.
0:59
Carmen Lezeth: Hope to see you next week.
1:02
Maurio Dawson: Have a good week.
1:03
Rick Costa: Go ahead.
1:06
Maurio Dawson: No to me.
1:07
Maurio Dawson: I got it, you know I enjoyed it.
1:11
Maurio Dawson: I know the songs, so it was easy for me.
1:15
Maurio Dawson: It was very cool.
1:17
Maurio Dawson: It actually opened up a conversation for my mother who is, you know, an older woman who does not like rap.
1:24
Maurio Dawson: So her and her friends they checked out.
1:27
Maurio Dawson: She's like I don't want to hear that.
1:29
Maurio Dawson: She's like all I hear was la, la la la la.
1:32
Maurio Dawson: She's like I didn't understand anything.
1:34
Maurio Dawson: I said, okay, mom, let me break it down to you.
1:36
Maurio Dawson: So we had a very in-depth conversation about some of the stuff that was happening and she said you know what?
1:46
Maurio Dawson: Know, mario, thank you for explaining it to me.
1:47
Maurio Dawson: She said because it gave her the opportunity to go back and talk to her friends who were just so, just opposed to the rap of it all and not into the show.
1:55
Maurio Dawson: But then once I explained it, she loved it, she went back and watched it, she appreciated it for what it was and she took the time to really listen and she got it and it opened up her eyes to a lot of subtext that was in the show and I thought it was an amazing show, without saying too much.
2:19
Carmen Lezeth: Rick, your thoughts.
2:21
Rick Costa: Yeah, I turned on Tubi when I figured it was going to be on and it was funny because all of a sudden I got a text from Melanie.
2:23
Rick Costa: It's on now.
2:24
Rick Costa: I figured it was going to be on and it was funny because all of a sudden I got a text from Melanie.
2:27
Rick Costa: It's on now.
2:28
Rick Costa: I didn't ask her to we love Melanie.
2:31
Rick Costa: Shout out to Melanie yeah, I watched it and was I 100% focused.
2:37
Rick Costa: I didn't go bye because you know I was like, like I wasn't, but I definitely didn't think it was boring at all.
2:44
Rick Costa: It was entertaining.
2:44
Rick Costa: You know it was entertaining.
2:45
Rick Costa: All the different dancing and everything.
2:47
Rick Costa: I don't really know the songs that much, little bits and pieces here, that kind of sounds familiar Far, far, far far.
2:54
Rick Costa: I heard that before, that's from Luther.
3:00
Rick Costa: Yeah, it was entertaining, but because I wasn't fully paying attention to it, I didn't realize we were supposed to get edumacated too, like oh, yeah, you know.
3:11
Rick Costa: Yeah, um, samuel jackson.
3:12
Rick Costa: I was like, okay, that's what made me think okay, this is not just a performance, because, wait, he's saying something.
3:16
Rick Costa: So that's what made me think, okay, you're not just yay, nice job, no, they're saying something.
3:22
Rick Costa: So yeah, it was, it was, but it was entertaining too, it was fun, it wasn't boring.
3:27
Rick Costa: I've seen some that were like ooh, but this one was entertaining, it was good.
3:32
Carmen Lezeth: Okay, go ahead, girl.
3:35
Carmen Lezeth: I know it's bubbling inside Go ahead.
3:38
Alma Dawson: I enjoyed every aspect of it.
3:40
Alma Dawson: I enjoyed the art of it, the music, the symbolism, going and rewatching and catching the stuff that I didn't catch the first time.
3:49
Alma Dawson: You know the first run around just seeing all of the sensationalist part of it, but then going back and actually catching all of the little nuances and it was awesome.
4:01
Alma Dawson: It was really a very he's a genius, honestly he really is just in the ways that he layered it.
4:08
Alma Dawson: If you want to just surface, you could just have the surface, but if you want to go deeper, there's a lot of layers to it.
4:15
Alma Dawson: So it was awesome.
4:16
Maurio Dawson: That's why he's a Pulitzer Prize winner.
4:19
Carmen Lezeth: Oh yeah.
4:20
Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, he won a Pulitzer.
4:22
Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, he won a.
4:23
Maurio Dawson: Pulitzer yeah for sure.
4:25
Carmen Lezeth: I think that's where I got upset with so many people.
4:28
Carmen Lezeth: I lashed out a little bit.
4:30
Carmen Lezeth: I think this is the first time I have seen on a public stage white people not being centered, and what I mean by that, because I know that's a really weird concept to understand.
4:45
Carmen Lezeth: It's like they were not the focus at all and I think that's what disturbed people.
4:52
Carmen Lezeth: I can't explain enough how many times in my life, in all of our lives, I'm sure we have walked into a room I can talk about, when I was dancing, performing.
5:04
Carmen Lezeth: But let me go to even college, walking into a biology class of 300 people my freshman year, and there is not one other person of color, you know.
5:13
Carmen Lezeth: And always being that person that walks into a place where you are the odd person out, and it was interesting how I'm just speaking for me.
5:27
Carmen Lezeth: I mean I was kidding with a friend of mine the other day.
5:29
Carmen Lezeth: I'm like I'm speaking for all black people, I'm just speaking for me.
5:39
Carmen Lezeth: Oh Lord, to the circumstance I was in and have to find my way in it, appreciate it, or keep my mouth shut or try to understand it or research it.
5:52
Carmen Lezeth: You do all these things as a person of color, trying to understand the circumstance you're in, but what happened here is people just started lashing out in a really negative, nasty way that it's not art, that it should never be on football halftime, all these horrible things, and it just incensed me and I started thinking about how do we determine what art is?
6:21
Carmen Lezeth: I guess that's my big question for all of you.
6:23
Carmen Lezeth: How do you determine, or do you ever determine, what art is?
6:24
Carmen Lezeth: And I guess that's my big question for all of you how do you determine, or do you ever determine what art is and is not is maybe the first question.
6:31
Maurio Dawson: I think art is thought provoking.
6:33
Maurio Dawson: Anything that's going to create a thought or make you go deeper into yourself about what you're feeling.
6:40
Maurio Dawson: If it evokes an emotion or a visceral response, it's art.
6:46
Maurio Dawson: Or if you have questions, if you say what does that mean?
6:50
Maurio Dawson: It's art because it provokes conversation and it gives you more insight into, because sometimes the artist is very upfront about what they're saying, but then other artists let you conceptualize it for what you want it to be.
7:05
Maurio Dawson: Do you really mean that this?
7:07
Carmen Lezeth: was art, do we?
7:08
Carmen Lezeth: I don't know, rick, I'm not sure.
7:10
Maurio Dawson: I do.
7:10
Carmen Lezeth: I'm wondering Rick.
7:11
Alma Dawson: Did you?
7:11
Carmen Lezeth: mean that this was a piece of art.
7:13
Maurio Dawson: Absolutely, absolutely, from the symbolism to the American flag with all Black people, based on the fact that he's saying that a lot of America was built on the slaves, on the backs of Black people, on the backs of slaves.
7:29
Maurio Dawson: Now, a lot of people don't like that statement and they don't like that comment.
7:33
Carmen Lezeth: Okay, but that's not a statement or a comment.
7:35
Carmen Lezeth: That's a fact, it is a fact you may not like the truth.
7:40
Maurio Dawson: Yeah, it's the truth.
7:41
Maurio Dawson: But the thing is, everyone wants to be mad.
7:45
Maurio Dawson: Stay mad, that's okay.
7:47
Carmen Lezeth: Can I just get a?
7:47
Carmen Lezeth: I just want to.
7:48
Carmen Lezeth: And, rick, I'm sorry to put you on the spot, but I don't know and I don't want to just assume.
7:53
Carmen Lezeth: Do you feel this was art?
7:56
Rick Costa: Yeah, to me music is art, dancing is art.
8:00
Carmen Lezeth: Even if it doesn't speak to you specifically.
8:04
Rick Costa: Doesn't matter.
8:04
Rick Costa: To me, art is if you can look at whatever it is and have multiple interpretations, that's probably art.
8:14
Carmen Lezeth: Okay, I just didn't want to assume that he felt the same way.
8:16
Carmen Lezeth: Okay, I'm sorry.
8:19
Rick Costa: That's a lot of work.
8:20
Rick Costa: That's a lot of work.
8:20
Rick Costa: A lot of people, a lot of organization, choreography, yeah, to put that together, and even the camera work everything.
8:27
Rick Costa: So that's all.
8:29
Carmen Lezeth: I think, even like what Alma was saying was just.
8:32
Carmen Lezeth: I don't want to put words in Alma's mouth or whatever, but I feel like there's this part of him you can watch just the surface part and people were saying like I don't understand.
8:42
Carmen Lezeth: I don't understand.
8:43
Carmen Lezeth: You know what?
8:43
Carmen Lezeth: Google is free, and if you don't understand rap, it's because you're not used to the rhythm of that sound.
8:51
Carmen Lezeth: You know, it's interesting how these same people can understand Eminem, or they can understand Macklemore, but for some reason they can't understand Kendrick Lamar.
9:01
Carmen Lezeth: You know what I'm saying?
9:02
Carmen Lezeth: I am throwing the race card in card in there.
9:04
Carmen Lezeth: It's like why are you able to defend and fight about eminem but you can't understand kendrick lamar I?
9:11
Carmen Lezeth: You need to think about that.
9:13
Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean, and it's for me, art is that there there are pieces of art that I think suck horribly, but you know what?
9:21
Carmen Lezeth: I keep that inside.
9:22
Alma Dawson: I just keep my heart shut.
9:24
Alma Dawson: But you know, it's like there's a sweatshirt that mario has and it says I'm not for everyone.
9:30
Alma Dawson: Every piece of art is not for everyone in it, but even if it evokes anger or it evokes sadness, whatever it evokes, it still made you feel something, whether you like the way that it made you feel or not, whether you like whatever the artist portraying or what it's saying.
9:50
Alma Dawson: That's the point.
9:51
Alma Dawson: It's not for every artist, every genre is not for everyone, but art still exists.
10:00
Alma Dawson: It's just like y'all were saying it's thought provoking, it's meant to evoke feelings, whether it's something visual, something auditory or something that you're reading, some five words on the page can evoke feelings.
10:14
Carmen Lezeth: That's right I had a little back and forth with Chris.
10:17
Carmen Lezeth: We all love Chris and I was mad because he started writing on Facebook Prince is the best Super Bowl Prince and I was like you're missing the point.
10:29
Carmen Lezeth: This is not a comparison between Prince and Mr Lamar.
10:33
Carmen Lezeth: And look, I just want to be very clear about something I am now a huge Kendrick Lamar fan.
10:41
Carmen Lezeth: Welcome to the family.
10:43
Carmen Lezeth: No, no, but this is what I'm saying.
10:44
Carmen Lezeth: I liked him.
10:44
Carmen Lezeth: I listened to family.
10:45
Carmen Lezeth: No, no, but this is what I'm saying.
10:45
Carmen Lezeth: I liked him, I listened to him, I knew a few songs.
10:48
Carmen Lezeth: I did not know the whole Drake part until recently like during the Kamala Harris rallies is when I started understanding more about the Drake thing.
10:57
Carmen Lezeth: Because there was that young white boy I hate to say it that way, but there was that young man who was white, who worked for the Kamala Harris campaign and they featured him.
11:09
Carmen Lezeth: Do you remember that?
11:10
Carmen Lezeth: Because he was singing every word of Not Like Us.
11:12
Carmen Lezeth: I was like, who is this man?
11:15
Carmen Lezeth: And he did all these interviews and I was like, what is this Drake stuff?
11:19
Carmen Lezeth: And that's when I started getting more into.
11:21
Carmen Lezeth: Oh, I didn't know, I had no idea.
11:24
Carmen Lezeth: So I'm not trying to come across like you have to be some mega fan of Kendrick Lamar to understand.
11:28
Carmen Lezeth: You need to be like if anything, I want white people and I'm going to say it this way I know I'm going to get a lot of backlash for this.
11:37
Carmen Lezeth: White people need to start being a little bit more open-minded.
11:40
Carmen Lezeth: That everything, like Alma said, is not for them.
11:42
Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
11:44
Carmen Lezeth: And, by the way, the halftime show I saw this comment everywhere.
11:47
Carmen Lezeth: Oh my God, I don't know if you guys saw this comments everywhere.
11:50
Carmen Lezeth: The halftime show is for everyone.
11:52
Carmen Lezeth: It should be something we all understand, Really, Because 54% of the NFL is black.
11:59
Carmen Lezeth: So I'm confused where you think this is for you.
12:03
Carmen Lezeth: Well, that's a different conversation that's a whole different conversation, but a whole different conversation.
12:08
Maurio Dawson: But yeah, I think, since rock nation has taken over, I think it versus pepsi or the other major concerts is rock nation is the company owned by jay-z, so he's now he's the actual official promoter for the NFL.
12:24
Maurio Dawson: He's been the promoter.
12:25
Carmen Lezeth: Oh, I had no idea.
12:27
Maurio Dawson: Yeah, he's been the official promoter.
12:29
Maurio Dawson: He and Jesse Collins have picked the halftime shows for the last what five years now?
12:33
Maurio Dawson: So, although the last five halftime shows have been through Roc Nation, which is not only for his production, it's a production company, it's a record company, it's a fashion label.
12:44
Maurio Dawson: Right, that's a record company, it's a fashion label.
12:46
Carmen Lezeth: Right, that's so interesting.
12:48
Rick Costa: One thing though oh go ahead, rick People saying can there be subtitles?
12:53
Rick Costa: I was like why do you need subtitles?
12:56
Rick Costa: Because I don't understand a word they're saying I'm like I understand everything he's saying.
12:59
Rick Costa: What's the problem?
13:00
Rick Costa: It's called closed caption.
13:02
Carmen Lezeth: You could do closed caption, you could go again.
13:04
Carmen Lezeth: I said this on tiktok.
13:06
Carmen Lezeth: I remember going to my first ballet with rudolf nuriev, and it was don quixote.
13:14
Carmen Lezeth: I did not understand a mother effing thing, not one thing, but I was forced to go.
13:20
Carmen Lezeth: I'm glad I went because what it did, even though I left, and it didn't make me like, oh my God, I love ballet and Rudolph Derriff that's not what happened, but what did happen was it made me realize there's a bigger world out there than only the stuff I know.
13:35
Carmen Lezeth: Yes, and it made me absorb the idea of art and going to museums and going to the orchestra.
13:45
Alma Dawson: I'm having a tough time today speaking of art and going to museums and going to the orchestra orchestra.
13:49
Alma Dawson: I'm having a tough time today speaking, but I want to say like, even though we're concentrating just on the halftime, the pre-show and all of that was really very well-rounded.
13:58
Alma Dawson: Harry Connick Jr and Lady Gaga and just all of the different pre-shows that were on as well, were really well-rounded in my opinion.
14:09
Alma Dawson: But when you say well-rounded, are we talking about?
14:11
Alma Dawson: Like I said, Harry Connick Jr was one of the artists that was up there.
14:16
Maurio Dawson: He's from there, yeah, but he's from there.
14:21
Alma Dawson: But what I'm saying is it wasn't just only Black artists from Northern being featured.
14:27
Carmen Lezeth: Here's what I'm going to push back, though.
14:28
Carmen Lezeth: Why would it matter, right?
14:31
Maurio Dawson: It shouldn't matter.
14:32
Maurio Dawson: They gave them a bone too.
14:35
Carmen Lezeth: Every artist is white in every art.
14:37
Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
14:37
Carmen Lezeth: I am so tired, as a woman of color, making it comfortable for white people to feel comfortable, for you know what I'm saying.
14:48
Carmen Lezeth: Like, I know what you're saying.
14:49
Carmen Lezeth: It was well-rounded, but it's never been well-rounded all the time for the rest of our lives.
14:53
Carmen Lezeth: Oh, no, never, of course, not Never, and I don't want to appease it, I do want to switch it a little bit, but it's the same thing, because I was talking about Marvel movies, cause it's again same thing, because I was talking about Marvel movies, because it's again.
15:06
Carmen Lezeth: It's this idea of what is art, and I just want to mention a couple things.
15:09
Carmen Lezeth: So, back in 2019, and it was when the movie Captain Marvel came out Martin Scorsese and Francis Ford Coppola who, if people are listening, don't know who they are, I would be shocked but huge directors.
15:24
Carmen Lezeth: Martin Scorsese is known for Goodfellas and the Irishman and what else I don't even know.
15:30
Maurio Dawson: A lot of Leo DiCaprio movies.
15:32
Carmen Lezeth: And Francis Ford Coppola, of course, the Godfather Acopolis Coppola.
15:39
Maurio Dawson: No.
15:39
Carmen Lezeth: Apocalypse Now, francis Ford Coppola?
15:41
Carmen Lezeth: Apocalypse Now, is that how you say it?
15:44
Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, yeah, I don't know I'm having issues.
15:47
Carmen Lezeth: Okay, I swear to God there's water in here.
15:51
Carmen Lezeth: So, back in 2019, martin Scorsese said about Marvel movies and this pissed me off, cause, again, it's what is the definition of art?
16:01
Carmen Lezeth: He said I don't see them.
16:02
Carmen Lezeth: I tried, you know, but that's not cinema.
16:05
Carmen Lezeth: Honestly, the closest I can think of them as well, made as they are, with actors doing the best they can under the circumstances is theme.
16:15
Carmen Lezeth: It isn't the cinema of human beings trying to convey emotional, psychological experiences to another human being.
16:23
Carmen Lezeth: Fuck you, martin Scorsese.
16:25
Carmen Lezeth: Let me quote Francis Ford Coppola.
16:27
Carmen Lezeth: I lost so much respect for these two men.
16:29
Carmen Lezeth: Now I'm going to quote Francis Ford Coppola.
16:31
Carmen Lezeth: So Francis Ford Coppola said well, you know, because of the lack of risk in the production.
16:38
Carmen Lezeth: Martin Scorsese says that the Marvel picture is not cinema.
16:42
Carmen Lezeth: He's right, because we expect to learn something from cinema.
16:45
Carmen Lezeth: We expect to gain some enlightenment, some knowledge, some inspirations.
16:49
Carmen Lezeth: Arguably, I don't know that anyone gets anything out of seeing the same movie over and over again, which is Marvel movies, a thing that has no risk to it.
17:00
Carmen Lezeth: I've said before, making a film without risk is like making a baby without sex.
17:06
Carmen Lezeth: That was Francis Ford Coppola film.
17:09
Carmen Lezeth: Director of the Godfather and Apocalypse.
17:14
Alma Dawson: Now, like in other movies, but just throwing that out there to you guys shows their age, um, and I think that they're just maybe I don't want to say they're not visionaries, because that's not true, they are, they were in their time, but exactly, but I think that they're not able to see the value in the marble movies, not because there isn't any, but just because they're not able to.
17:42
Alma Dawson: And I'm going to attribute it to their generation, to their age, where their generation is, like every film, everything had to have a message.
17:52
Alma Dawson: Because of the times, because of the times that they were coming up in, that they were adulting.
17:57
Carmen Lezeth: I think Marvel movies all have a message.
18:00
Alma Dawson: I agree with you.
18:02
Carmen Lezeth: They all have a message.
18:03
Carmen Lezeth: I can see where you're going with this to try to give them a pass.
18:06
Carmen Lezeth: But here's the thing that we may not remember, because you know I did research on this.
18:10
Carmen Lezeth: That's why I'm so angry with them.
18:11
Carmen Lezeth: When they came out with their movies both of them they got so much flack for the mafia-esque, the violence, the whatever.
18:19
Carmen Lezeth: So again you would think they would be more sensitive, more understanding of what art is, even if they don't understand it or like it.
18:30
Maurio Dawson: I think they're telling their stories from their point of view.
18:33
Maurio Dawson: You have to remember Scorsese he's a New Yorker, like he's the mob, the mafia.
18:36
Maurio Dawson: That's all a part of his time when he was, very prevalent.
18:38
Maurio Dawson: That was his focus.
18:38
Maurio Dawson: That's what he enjoyed studying.
18:39
Maurio Dawson: That's what he enjoyed writing.
18:40
Maurio Dawson: That's all a part of his time when he would.
18:43
Maurio Dawson: That was very prevalent.
18:44
Maurio Dawson: That was his focus.
18:45
Maurio Dawson: That's what he enjoyed studying.
18:47
Maurio Dawson: That's what he enjoyed writing.
18:48
Maurio Dawson: That's all great, but you have a new era of artists, of young directors and storytellers who want to sell different stories.
18:56
Maurio Dawson: I think comic books are still stories, marvel are there's still.
19:00
Maurio Dawson: It's still storytelling.
19:01
Maurio Dawson: Oh, I agree it's still storytelling.
19:02
Maurio Dawson: Oh.
19:03
Alma Dawson: I agree.
19:04
Maurio Dawson: So the thing is, I respectfully have several seats and do you over there and take your time and produce what it is that you love and you will have.
19:17
Maurio Dawson: Your audience will come to you, but everyone has a space out here for what they love and you can't tell me that even the storytelling of the battles, even with Black Panther, and the subtext that was going on through all of that film, that was artistry, not just visually, but historically.
19:41
Maurio Dawson: It was thought-provoking.
19:43
Maurio Dawson: You asked questions and it took you back to history.
19:47
Maurio Dawson: It was all great.
19:48
Maurio Dawson: So, yeah, everything has a story.
19:50
Maurio Dawson: Marvel definitely has a place in art, not just visually storytelling.
19:51
Maurio Dawson: I was all great.
19:51
Maurio Dawson: So, yeah, everything has a story.
19:52
Maurio Dawson: Marvel definitely has a place in art, not just visually storytelling.
19:55
Maurio Dawson: I got an issue with Francis Ford Coppola.
19:58
Rick Costa: Right, that was the second one.
19:59
Rick Costa: He says you didn't learn nothing.
20:03
Rick Costa: I'm like listen.
20:04
Rick Costa: When I watched Deadpool and Wolverine, I didn't learn nothing either, but I laughed my butt off the whole break Entertained.
20:10
Rick Costa: I enjoyed it.
20:11
Rick Costa: I would watch it again.
20:12
Rick Costa: I don't have to learn something.
20:15
Rick Costa: That's your opinion.
20:16
Rick Costa: Yeah, you can't tell me that I shouldn't like something because you don't like it.
20:21
Rick Costa: That's ridiculous.
20:22
Rick Costa: It's the whole thing I said a long time ago when somebody said god don't like this kind of music.
20:28
Rick Costa: No, you don't like that kind of music.
20:30
Rick Costa: You don't like this kind of music.
20:31
Rick Costa: No, you don't like that kind of music.
20:32
Maurio Dawson: You don't speak for God, right, right, that's it.
20:34
Carmen Lezeth: I think it's interesting because I think Marvel movies I've said this a million times I have not felt the feeling I felt when I watched Endgame.
20:44
Carmen Lezeth: I hadn't felt that in a theater, when you're with people, that camaraderie, that part know, like that part where robert downey jr's character um, just, I am iron man, like in it and you know because of the movies from before the first movie, when he ends it, you know because you have followed the trajectory of it yeah, and it breaks your heart because he's gonna to die and he dies.
21:12
Maurio Dawson: Spoiler alert for those who haven't watched it.
21:13
Carmen Lezeth: Oh yeah, right.
21:16
Rick Costa: I literally just saw somebody today that they did like a reaction video and this girl had never watched it and she was like he was telling the story, like she cried several times, but then, right before Iron man dies, she started yelling wait, he ain't going to die, is he?
21:34
Carmen Lezeth: He dies, he dies.
21:36
Carmen Lezeth: Sorry, spoiler alert.
21:38
Carmen Lezeth: Look at this point.
21:38
Carmen Lezeth: If you haven't seen it, I can't help you.
21:40
Carmen Lezeth: It's an old movie now.
21:41
Carmen Lezeth: But that's my point is like, again, it's this weird.
21:44
Carmen Lezeth: I don't know if it's elitism, because I don't know if it's that, but I don't know how you don't learn from your own experience.
21:50
Carmen Lezeth: And that's what angers me about these two men.
21:53
Carmen Lezeth: They had such a hard time when they started their careers, doing the movies that they loved, that were so violent, so painful.
22:01
Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean that people were like oh my god, no, like yeah, and people were dismissing it or whatever.
22:08
Carmen Lezeth: And then, you know, it's kind of that thing too, like I, I got, I didn't get mad at Chris.
22:12
Carmen Lezeth: I love Chris, he wants to be on the show again and you know Chris Gales, I'm talking about.
22:19
Carmen Lezeth: I think he's an amazing person and I love him and everything, but it's the same thing.
22:22
Carmen Lezeth: Everybody elevates Prince now because he's dead, but we forget that people didn't like Prince.
22:30
Carmen Lezeth: People talked about Prince.
22:31
Carmen Lezeth: They were like he's gay, he's androgynous, he's too female, he's so weird.
22:36
Carmen Lezeth: People did not.
22:38
Carmen Lezeth: I don't care how much you thought he was a genius.
22:40
Carmen Lezeth: It's weird how we revise our thought process when someone passes away.
22:46
Maurio Dawson: Well, some of us.
22:48
Carmen Lezeth: You know what?
22:49
Carmen Lezeth: I apologize.
22:50
Carmen Lezeth: You're absolutely right.
22:51
Carmen Lezeth: You're absolutely right Because I was in love with that man.
22:54
Carmen Lezeth: I don't know what it was.
22:57
Maurio Dawson: I've been rocking with him since 1978, 1979.
23:01
Carmen Lezeth: He was the only man that was like what 5'4"?
23:03
Carmen Lezeth: I think he was 5'4".
23:05
Maurio Dawson: Yeah.
23:06
Carmen Lezeth: And he attracted both men and women and we don't understand why we don't.
23:09
Carmen Lezeth: I don't understand why I was so attracted to that beautiful man.
23:14
Rick Costa: I remember my pastor saying cause again, he's a pastor, so he's done a lot of funerals he goes.
23:18
Rick Costa: It never ceases to amaze me how, all of a sudden no matter how down dirty dog you are everybody when they die is a good person.
23:28
Maurio Dawson: Yeah.
23:30
Carmen Lezeth: Well, let me just say this, though, just to back that up though Prince was a genius from day one for his fan base that knew that even some of us who are clouded by our love, but his music I think the thing I remember about Prince's music so much was that I remember dancing in the clubs and I was underage.
23:50
Carmen Lezeth: But I was in the clubs dancing on stages, and that music was funky, grinding, awesome, great.
23:56
Carmen Lezeth: And I remember I was like, oh, I'm doing something so bad, not compared to the other people who are out there doing drugs.
24:04
Carmen Lezeth: I was just dancing, but that's what I remember of my Prince life back in the day.
24:11
Maurio Dawson: I remember dancing to erotic city when I didn't know what I was dancing to.
24:14
Maurio Dawson: Come on now.
24:16
Carmen Lezeth: Me neither.
24:16
Carmen Lezeth: My mother was like do you know what he's singing?
24:19
Carmen Lezeth: And my whole creamy thighs and everything my creamy thighs.
24:23
Maurio Dawson: No, I was growing, I was singing a lot of the cream.
24:25
Maurio Dawson: I knew what I was singing then.
24:26
Maurio Dawson: Wow.
24:26
Maurio Dawson: Yeah, I didn't know what I was saying no, I knew what I was saying when I was saying green this little Latina girl did not know what she was singing, she just knew it sounded good.
24:34
Alma Dawson: That's it.
24:37
Rick Costa: It's just like now, with the churches having the nerve to sing Like a Prayer from Madonna.
24:42
Rick Costa: I'm like, do you?
24:44
Maurio Dawson: even know what you're singing.
24:45
Maurio Dawson: Come on now, really.
24:49
Carmen Lezeth: I don't know how they're justifying that, but they've ran with it.
24:52
Carmen Lezeth: Let's use the Googler please Googler I like that.
24:56
Maurio Dawson: She's quoting my mother, because that's what my mother said.
24:58
Carmen Lezeth: The Googler I'm going to use that I love that oh my.
25:02
Maurio Dawson: God.
25:03
Rick Costa: I'm going to use the Googler.
25:04
Rick Costa: There's a funny video with an Italian lady.
25:07
Rick Costa: They're trying to teach her to say hey, Google, and she's like okay, try it, try it, Google, google.
25:16
Carmen Lezeth: The thing is, you have to say the hey first, right.
25:19
Rick Costa: Right.
25:20
Carmen Lezeth: Mm-hmm.
25:21
Carmen Lezeth: So funny Can you think of an example where art well and this might be too much, I don't know.
25:27
Carmen Lezeth: I don't know.
25:28
Carmen Lezeth: This is a goofy question, but I was just wondering if you can think of a time when art turns into a political message or a purpose.
25:37
Carmen Lezeth: Of course, I think the Kendrick Lamar thing is a great example of how social message, but I was wondering I couldn't think of other pieces of art that do that, but there must be so many of them.
25:50
Carmen Lezeth: I mean, martin Luther King's speech became that right, that beautiful.
25:55
Carmen Lezeth: I have a dream speech, but I couldn't remember other people.
25:59
Maurio Dawson: You know, one that comes to the front.
26:02
Carmen Lezeth: Rhythm Nation Janet Jack.
26:04
Carmen Lezeth: Go ahead, I'm sorry.
26:07
Maurio Dawson: Just on a political side.
26:08
Maurio Dawson: I'm thinking about Obama's campaign, when they created the posters, the tricolor posters that said hope.
26:15
Maurio Dawson: Those are beautiful pieces of art, right?
26:17
Maurio Dawson: Yes and so, but it was also a political statement.
26:23
Maurio Dawson: It was.
26:23
Maurio Dawson: He was that, those three colors, that red, white and blue.
26:27
Maurio Dawson: I still see it vividly in my head.
26:29
Maurio Dawson: I'm looking at the visual posters.
26:31
Maurio Dawson: You saw him everywhere.
26:32
Maurio Dawson: He had hope.
26:33
Maurio Dawson: That was the main one, right?
26:36
Maurio Dawson: that was the main one that's one that definitely comes to my brain right away.
26:42
Maurio Dawson: What's the other man, the Latino man?
26:46
Maurio Dawson: He has a star, he's everywhere.
26:49
Alma Dawson: Che Guevara that's great, of course.
26:52
Carmen Lezeth: Oh, that's great, of course, you're right.
26:54
Carmen Lezeth: What?
26:55
Maurio Dawson: was I thinking.
26:56
Carmen Lezeth: You know what I was going down the whole rabbit hole of trying to think of musicians, right.
27:01
Alma Dawson: I have a music one, nina Simone, strange Fruit.
27:07
Carmen Lezeth: Oh.
27:08
Alma Dawson: Yeah, and if you don't know about Strange Fruit.
27:10
Maurio Dawson: Use the Googler it's heavy and then.
27:14
Alma Dawson: Maya Angelou a lot of her poetry Phila Rai.
27:17
Alma Dawson: Phenomenal Woman, phila Rai is a good one, rick do you have any to share.
27:27
Carmen Lezeth: I know from the religious point of view it would probably be more religious-y as opposed to politically the only thing I can think of is not be more religious-y as opposed to politically.
27:35
Rick Costa: The only thing I can think of is not a nice one.
27:37
Carmen Lezeth: I don't want to say it.
27:37
Carmen Lezeth: What are you going to?
27:38
Rick Costa: say the redhead woman comedian.
27:40
Rick Costa: That didn't she do like a Kathy, oh Kathy.
27:44
Carmen Lezeth: Griffin right.
27:45
Carmen Lezeth: She cut off the head of something and said it was somebody.
27:48
Carmen Lezeth: Well, that's where art goes wrong, I mean okay.
27:53
Carmen Lezeth: So that's interesting because for some people they thought that was justified and made sense.
27:58
Carmen Lezeth: That's a great point, a lot of us again just speaking for myself but I thought that was a little crass for me and inappropriate and so, even though I respect her viewpoint and I thought it was wrong for her to lose she lost her CNN, she lost a lot of work, everything.
28:16
Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, she lost a lot of stuff, because she was doing like the CNN New Year's Eve thing.
28:20
Carmen Lezeth: That's when I remember her most, with Anderson Cooper or something.
28:23
Maurio Dawson: She did a reality show also.
28:25
Maurio Dawson: Oh, she did.
28:26
Maurio Dawson: Yeah, it was called the D-List.
28:28
Maurio Dawson: Yeah, it was on ETV.
28:29
Maurio Dawson: What's the D-List?
28:30
Maurio Dawson: Yeah?
28:30
Carmen Lezeth: it was on ETV.
28:31
Carmen Lezeth: What's the D-List?
28:32
Maurio Dawson: That was the name of her show.
28:33
Maurio Dawson: She called herself a D-List artist.
28:37
Rick Costa: Oh my God, that's hilarious yeah.
28:40
Alma Dawson: It was funny.
28:41
Alma Dawson: She had her mom on there too, it was funny.
28:45
Maurio Dawson: Yeah, she lost all of that.
28:48
Maurio Dawson: But then she also suffered cancer at the same time and lost her voice, and her voice is not the same.
28:57
Carmen Lezeth: But she's okay.
28:57
Carmen Lezeth: Now though, right, she's better now.
28:59
Maurio Dawson: Yes, but that goes into.
29:02
Maurio Dawson: Some comedians are artists.
29:05
Carmen Lezeth: Oh, absolutely.
29:06
Maurio Dawson: Think about it.
29:07
Maurio Dawson: We're talking about Kathy Griffin being.
29:09
Maurio Dawson: She's a comedian, but she's also Using art.
29:12
Maurio Dawson: That went too far For some people.
29:14
Maurio Dawson: But then if you look at AD Murphy, who is a genius, his, his Acting, his stand up Is just bar none.
29:25
Maurio Dawson: You know, it still holds up.
29:27
Maurio Dawson: Delirious, still holds up.
29:29
Carmen Lezeth: Yes, it does.
29:31
Maurio Dawson: If it's something that still stands the test of time and you can still go back to it and reference it, it's art I would say comedians are art.
29:39
Carmen Lezeth: I have never thought of it that way, mario.
29:41
Carmen Lezeth: But when you just said that comedians take a big risk because they go up there, talk about religion, politics, everything and they're trying to make you laugh, but but they're making that undercut statement, I never thought about it that way.
29:56
Carmen Lezeth: But I would absolutely say that's art, I agree.
29:59
Maurio Dawson: It's an art form, because everybody can't do it, everyone can't paint, everyone can't sing, so it's definitely an art form.
30:08
Carmen Lezeth: Absolutely I feel bad about Kathy Griffin.
30:11
Carmen Lezeth: I mean, I'll be honest with you, I never really liked her myself, like she's not my kind of flavor.
30:16
Carmen Lezeth: And what I mean by that is I don't like kind of the slappy, sticky type of, you know, like the Jim Carrey.
30:22
Carmen Lezeth: I respect Jim Carrey but I don't want to watch him.
30:24
Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
30:25
Carmen Lezeth: I don't want to watch the kind of that kind of thing, like Steve Martin, I respect him.
30:36
Alma Dawson: I don't want to watch that kind of thing.
30:37
Alma Dawson: Like steve martin, I respect him.
30:38
Carmen Lezeth: I don't want to watch that kind of.
30:38
Carmen Lezeth: Does that make sense, like whatever?
30:39
Carmen Lezeth: Well, back in the day, yeah, like I like, like I was trying to think oh, there's this new guy.
30:41
Carmen Lezeth: I forget his name, he's so good.
30:43
Carmen Lezeth: He's a young black man, oh my god, I don't know what his name, but he's so good.
30:47
Carmen Lezeth: But.
30:47
Maurio Dawson: I like people.
30:47
Maurio Dawson: Is he Aaron Pierre?
30:49
Carmen Lezeth: What.
30:50
Maurio Dawson: Is he Aaron Pierre?
30:52
Carmen Lezeth: No, I don't think so.
30:54
Maurio Dawson: What I'm just?
30:54
Maurio Dawson: I'm just messing with you.
30:55
Maurio Dawson: Not yet.
30:56
Maurio Dawson: He's a Googler, he's a beautiful man we love him, he's an actor, the Googler.
31:00
Carmen Lezeth: Google you know okay, I can find out who this guy is because I follow him now on YouTube.
31:05
Carmen Lezeth: Chris Rock, to me, is hysterically funny I'm trying to think of, if you listen to old school Richard Pryor funny as all you know.
31:16
Carmen Lezeth: George Carlin, I could take.
31:19
Carmen Lezeth: I could you know and I know people get upset when I say this about George Carlin I some of the stuff he says I think he's wrong.
31:27
Carmen Lezeth: I just think he's wrong, you know, and.
31:28
Carmen Lezeth: But people, no matter what.
31:30
Carmen Lezeth: Again I'm going to get backlash for so many things on this episode, but I'm not a big.
31:34
Carmen Lezeth: Garland fan.
31:35
Carmen Lezeth: I don't think he's right all the time.
31:37
Alma Dawson: But it's thought provoking and that's the whole point.
31:39
Alma Dawson: Sensationalist, it's thought provoking.
31:42
Alma Dawson: And then you were.
31:45
Alma Dawson: You touched on the religion thing To me, for the religion part of it.
31:48
Alma Dawson: Some preachers are artists, the way that they're able to deliver the word, the way that they're able to make you think about God's word and be insightful.
31:57
Alma Dawson: It can be anyone.
31:58
Alma Dawson: You can go to any church.
32:01
Alma Dawson: I really am very universal as to who I listen to.
32:05
Alma Dawson: If they have a good word to preach and I'm learning from them and they're making me want to go to my Bible and read it, that's to me as someone who you know.
32:14
Alma Dawson: I love that because I'm always seeking to learn?
32:18
Carmen Lezeth: Is it the oratory skills?
32:18
Alma Dawson: Is it the oratory skills.
32:20
Maurio Dawson: Yes, the rise and the fall.
32:24
Alma Dawson: Yes, and all of that also is the music, the worship part for me.
32:28
Alma Dawson: The music, that is a very big component for me.
32:32
Alma Dawson: I can go somewhere and they have great worship that takes me to a place where I feel like I'm closer to heaven.
32:39
Alma Dawson: I'll say it that way, so even that, even in the lyrics of the music, and it doesn't have to be necessarily gospel, no, I appreciate you saying this because it's so funny, because I was like oh, but here's what I'll say.
32:57
Carmen Lezeth: I know that whenever I listen to, jesus loves me, when whitney houston's singing it, or sissy houston or whatever I am like, or if I'm listening to anything from sister act two, I'm sorry I'm being very ghetto, but I'm like.
33:12
Carmen Lezeth: But you, I'm sorry, I'm sorry For the people who are not religious, but I think you're right because you're listening to music that moves you and takes you somewhere.
33:25
Carmen Lezeth: And it makes you and I have always said this takes you somewhere and it makes you and I have always said this I am jealous of people, especially the women, who go to church on Sunday and they all dressed up and they you know, and and the belief and the love and the commitment, and I think you're right.
33:44
Alma Dawson: It there's an art to that.
33:53
Alma Dawson: There is an art, yes, yeah, but I'm also of the belief that church isn't just the four walls, so you don't have to be in a church to practice the kindness and to practice the love that God tells us to practice with everyone.
34:01
Alma Dawson: It's just been all in you how you wish to express yourself and your love and your faith with others.
34:09
Alma Dawson: But, like I said, yeah, there's definitely an art form in that, in practicing.
34:14
Carmen Lezeth: Okay, I'm going to throw this out at you and Rick Mario, you too, but because I think I already know what you're going to say.
34:22
Carmen Lezeth: That's why I think I know I could be wrong.
34:25
Carmen Lezeth: But so is it okay that there are atheists and agnostics in your world or in this world that you can appreciate?
34:35
Carmen Lezeth: If they don't, they might see what you think about art, but may not consider that art or something they believe in.
34:47
Alma Dawson: I'm always of the thought that I'm never going to force my beliefs or my thoughts on anyone else.
34:55
Alma Dawson: I can only lead by example or show you by how I live my life and how I treat others or how I you know, because it's always it's examine me, examine my life, and if you can take something from that, then that's what you know.
35:12
Alma Dawson: I feel like that's what my faith calls me to do.
35:15
Alma Dawson: I have to lead a life that can be exemplary or where someone can find some light and you're okay, though you embrace agnostics and atheists.
35:25
Carmen Lezeth: I love them too.
35:26
Alma Dawson: God says love everyone.
35:27
Alma Dawson: God says to love everyone and pray for everyone.
35:29
Alma Dawson: Whether they believe in the prayer that I'm believing, it doesn't matter.
35:33
Alma Dawson: I believe in the prayer that I'm saying for you, for your safety, for your health, for your deliverance.
35:39
Alma Dawson: I believe.
35:40
Carmen Lezeth: How do you deal with?
35:41
Carmen Lezeth: And, rick, I want you to chime in too.
35:43
Carmen Lezeth: Mario, you can chime in too.
35:44
Carmen Lezeth: I'm sorry, but this is fascinating that we've gone.
35:46
Carmen Lezeth: This I was not.
35:47
Carmen Lezeth: This is people.
35:49
Alma Dawson: This is not on the list and I'm going to tell you, even prayer can be an art form.
35:53
Alma Dawson: Some people can pray and you feel nothing.
35:55
Alma Dawson: It's a flat line.
35:56
Alma Dawson: Other people can pray and they move you.
35:59
Carmen Lezeth: Prayer changes things.
36:01
Carmen Lezeth: Do you get offended if people are like I don't need you to pray for me because I don't believe in that?
36:07
Alma Dawson: No, I feel like no, because I'm going to pray no matter what.
36:12
Alma Dawson: I'm not the person who's going to say oh, let me.
36:15
Alma Dawson: You know, some people come in and say I'm going to lay my hands on you and I'm not that type.
36:20
Alma Dawson: If I see a need, I will.
36:23
Alma Dawson: I will pray for them.
36:25
Carmen Lezeth: They don't need to know that I'm praying because Rick on your show sorry, rick Costa has a show every day at 3 pm, monday through Friday.
36:38
Carmen Lezeth: Sunday through Friday at 3 pm Pacific time.
36:42
Carmen Lezeth: Pacific time See Okay Saturdays at 11 Eastern 1130 Eastern 1130, eastern 830.
36:51
Carmen Lezeth: Your time.
36:51
Carmen Lezeth: Go to rickcostacom to check it out.
36:53
Carmen Lezeth: Okay, so I just gave you a little plug there and now I'm going to beat you up.
36:56
Maurio Dawson: So here, no, we're not going to beat you up.
36:59
Maurio Dawson: No, we're not going to beat you up.
37:01
Carmen Lezeth: I love Rick.
37:02
Carmen Lezeth: I'm just kidding.
37:03
Carmen Lezeth: What are your thoughts on what we're talking about?
37:05
Carmen Lezeth: What are your thoughts?
37:07
Rick Costa: I was just thinking about this guy that has come up on my YouTube in a while.
37:10
Rick Costa: I guess the algorithm he hidden it.
37:12
Rick Costa: But this guy that's not a Christian.
37:14
Rick Costa: I don't know if he's an atheist, but he's definitely not a Christian.
37:19
Rick Costa: But he's a musician.
37:19
Rick Costa: But he'll listen to Christian songs and say, wow, that was amazing, wow, the lyrics were good, wow, that was moving.
37:23
Rick Costa: Sometimes I'd be like yo, that made me cry.
37:25
Rick Costa: Like you know, it's doesn't matter can still be affected by music.
37:30
Rick Costa: I've always said two plus two is four.
37:33
Rick Costa: No matter what anybody who says it, it's still the truth.
37:37
Carmen Lezeth: But if somebody says to you I don't want you to pray for me.
37:39
Carmen Lezeth: I don't believe in that stuff.
37:43
Carmen Lezeth: Does that bother you?
37:44
Carmen Lezeth: How does that make you feel?
37:45
Carmen Lezeth: Or what does that do to you as a Christian, If someone is an atheist and agnostic and you try to comfort them by saying I'm going to pray for you?
37:56
Rick Costa: It doesn't matter what they say.
37:57
Rick Costa: They can't make me do nothing, so I'm still going to do it anyway.
38:00
Rick Costa: Probably won't do it even harder now, because you said that, right, I'm not going to say it to their faith.
38:05
Rick Costa: I'm not going to say it to their faith, I'm going to respect them.
38:08
Rick Costa: No, yeah.
38:09
Carmen Lezeth: I think that's an interesting thing, because I think what I have I have definitely moved away from Catholicism and Christianity in a huge way.
38:18
Carmen Lezeth: There's no question about it, and I can't say that I'm an atheist by any means.
38:23
Carmen Lezeth: I do believe in something bigger, but I am I'm not sure I'm agnostic.
38:27
Carmen Lezeth: I don't know where I'm at.
38:28
Carmen Lezeth: I have my issues with God.
38:30
Carmen Lezeth: I keep being like if there's a God, you need to.
38:32
Carmen Lezeth: I need some proof now, because this is not working.
38:34
Carmen Lezeth: Everything that I'm asking for is not working.
38:36
Carmen Lezeth: And then my time, we now at like I'm in my fifties.
38:44
Carmen Lezeth: We still having the same conversation my Lord, you need to move some mountains here, but I'm just kidding, but I'm not.
38:50
Carmen Lezeth: In a way, I feel like I've really moved away from the thought process of a God.
38:54
Carmen Lezeth: I do love gospel music.
38:56
Carmen Lezeth: I do love music that moves me, and so it doesn't almost matter sometimes If you're talking about hurting and killing people.
39:05
Carmen Lezeth: Sometimes I hear lyrics that throw me and I'm like, okay, I can't listen to that.
39:09
Carmen Lezeth: I heard a song the other day by Tupac and I was like wait, oh no, it was Biggie, it was Biggie.
39:12
Carmen Lezeth: And I was like wait, oh no, it was Biggie, it was Biggie.
39:14
Carmen Lezeth: And I was like, oh he nasty, I'm not listening to this.
39:17
Carmen Lezeth: I've been listening to that song forever.
39:19
Carmen Lezeth: I'm like he is nasty.
39:20
Carmen Lezeth: I was like I just got the word finally.
39:25
Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean, because Biggie was a little nasty.
39:28
Carmen Lezeth: Oh yeah, tupac wasn't that crass.
39:32
Maurio Dawson: Yes, he was.
39:33
Maurio Dawson: You have not gone into his catalog.
39:36
Carmen Lezeth: I have gone into his catalog.
39:38
Carmen Lezeth: Maybe I'm just more biased to Tupac.
39:41
Maurio Dawson: Okay.
39:44
Alma Dawson: So even if there was, I can quote Wait, why do you have to look away from me?
39:47
Maurio Dawson: We're talking about music and art.
39:48
Maurio Dawson: I can quote to you right off the top of my dome where Tupac's told Biggie I effed your wife and I did this.
39:58
Carmen Lezeth: I know what song you're talking about.
40:00
Carmen Lezeth: That don't bother me as much as I know I know.
40:04
Carmen Lezeth: I know that don't bother me as much as the way in which Biggie is talking about women and what he's doing to them in the moment against their will.
40:16
Carmen Lezeth: You see the difference, Because I feel like Tupac fighting and saying not lies, but saying like instigating whatever, and that is bad.
40:26
Carmen Lezeth: That's bad, but that I expect in rap.
40:28
Carmen Lezeth: But what I'm talking about is the misogyny that is so bad that you're like raping people on music.
40:38
Carmen Lezeth: You know what?
40:38
Carmen Lezeth: I'm saying that's where I'm like.
40:39
Carmen Lezeth: Oh, I cannot, and I was like, and I'll tell you off what the song is, and I'm like, oh, I can't, I had to delete Biggie off my.
40:46
Carmen Lezeth: I'm like I did not know, I did not, I had to delete Biggie.
40:49
Carmen Lezeth: I don't know why Biggie was on my playlist anyways.
40:52
Carmen Lezeth: I'm just going to say that right now.
40:53
Carmen Lezeth: I don't know why.
40:54
Maurio Dawson: You know why he was on your playlist.
40:55
Carmen Lezeth: I know why.
40:56
Carmen Lezeth: But okay, going back to Rick for a moment, I just feel like for me sometimes, especially when I watch your show because you're on every night and sometimes I'll try to catch you out in the afternoon here during my lunch break, and you pray for the same things over and over again and a part of me is you praying for the same thing and it's not getting nowhere.
41:19
Carmen Lezeth: What does that do for you?
41:20
Carmen Lezeth: Or what do you feel when I say something like that sounds or seems dismissive, which I'm still trying to be respectful, but that's my question.
41:29
Carmen Lezeth: Like I, I get sad because I used to believe and I don't anymore.
41:40
Rick Costa: Yeah, so there's a story that Jesus tells about a woman who goes to this judge's house and keeps on knocking on the door over and over and over and finally he just relents.
41:45
Rick Costa: He's like she keeps doing the same thing over and over again until, like he just can't stand it anymore, he gets out of bed because he does it like in middle of the night and he finally gives her what she wants.
41:54
Rick Costa: And I think Jesus is saying it's okay to keep on praying over and over and over again.
42:01
Carmen Lezeth: So I have to wear him down.
42:03
Carmen Lezeth: That's what it is.
42:04
Carmen Lezeth: I have to keep asking every day.
42:08
Rick Costa: I do that with people sometimes too.
42:12
Maurio Dawson: You got to take your ticket and get in line just like everybody else.
42:17
Alma Dawson: I'm just saying okay okay, can I jump in here?
42:20
Alma Dawson: Can I jump in here?
42:23
Rick Costa: But I also want to say that what I do during the whole thing it actually brings comfort to a lot of people and that's really the main reason why I do it, and like when I call out your name and I know your issue specifically and I say lovely that they feel comfort from that.
42:41
Rick Costa: Now it's taking up a big chunk of time yes, it does but because you know, they makes them feel special.
42:49
Carmen Lezeth: I mean now I could do it, because I've memorized this so much.
42:52
Carmen Lezeth: I could come on the list with you, and I don't watch you daily, but I do watch you and I get it, because in Catholicism the priest is Jesus, basically, and so it's that same thing, right, it's that you all rolled your eyes.
43:09
Carmen Lezeth: I'm just saying that's the problem with Catholicism.
43:12
Carmen Lezeth: But that's the idea is you're talking to the priest asking for forgiveness.
43:15
Carmen Lezeth: He is God, it's blah, blah, blah, and so what ends up happening is you do feel comforted when he calls your name out at the altar or at the you know.
43:24
Carmen Lezeth: So I get it, but I love how you all rolled your eyes.
43:30
Rick Costa: The Mass is literally the exact same thing every time, Except, you know, the reading is different, the homily is different, but everything else is literally.
43:39
Rick Costa: Stand up, sit down same response, exactly the same.
43:44
Carmen Lezeth: Oh yeah, I hadn't been to church in 15 years, and then I became a godmother for the fifth time or something, and I went into the church and it was like I left, they had not changed a damn thing and it was a different state.
43:58
Carmen Lezeth: Okay, it was a different state.
44:00
Carmen Lezeth: I was like what is?
44:02
Maurio Dawson: happening.
44:02
Maurio Dawson: You jumped right in and picked it right up, didn't you?
44:05
Carmen Lezeth: it's kind of like an old song you hadn't heard in a long time.
44:07
Carmen Lezeth: You just know the words like yeah, that's why, in a way, it is art.
44:11
Carmen Lezeth: I don don't know, I don't know.
44:13
Carmen Lezeth: It's weird, but you know, repeating stuff is good too.
44:17
Carmen Lezeth: That's not a bad thing.
44:17
Carmen Lezeth: You repeat on your show, rick.
44:19
Carmen Lezeth: You do a lot of the same thing.
44:20
Carmen Lezeth: It's to comfort people.
44:22
Carmen Lezeth: People like to feel like they know and understand something.
44:25
Carmen Lezeth: Alma's I can feel when Alma has something to say.
44:27
Carmen Lezeth: Go ahead, girl.
44:35
Alma Dawson: You sound a little bit of spirit, go ahead, I can feel the spirit coming through the screen.
44:37
Alma Dawson: I, just when you know you said if you were, if he was offended by you, saying that you hear him praying for the same thing and nothing is happening.
44:46
Alma Dawson: No, I'm going to say no, not offended, but the thing is that maybe even for myself, I pray for the same things, but they get manifested in my life in different ways.
44:59
Alma Dawson: So I think it's all in your perspective, really, truly.
45:05
Alma Dawson: I just really feel that it's in your perspective, but it's also, it's your.
45:09
Alma Dawson: Like Rick said, he's praying and it comforts people.
45:12
Alma Dawson: I feel like prayer definitely is, definitely is a conversation between you, between you and God.
45:19
Alma Dawson: That's your own personal, your personal relationship, your personal language with him.
45:23
Alma Dawson: Sometimes God doesn't change the thing that you want him to change, but is he changing your heart?
45:29
Alma Dawson: And see, sometimes it's about maybe that thing you're asking for is not really the thing that you need to be praying for change for.
45:37
Carmen Lezeth: And this is possible if I push back and say isn't that also just a way of explaining what's not happening, right?
45:45
Alma Dawson: I mean, this is the problem with a lot of people, and then that's what I'm saying it's all about.
45:50
Alma Dawson: It's all about, I feel like faith, prayer, religion.
45:53
Alma Dawson: It's all also about making you think you know what I'm saying.
45:57
Alma Dawson: They can't just all be like it's like art.
46:00
Maurio Dawson: Yes.
46:01
Carmen Lezeth: That's why you were saying it's like art.
46:02
Alma Dawson: I got you.
46:03
Alma Dawson: It's to make you think, it's to make you reflect, it's to make you look at it from different perspectives, when it's different for everyone.
46:10
Alma Dawson: The prayer that I pray is specific, maybe for the things that are happening in my life, but it may speak into something different, into someone else's life, which I may not know what it's about.
46:21
Alma Dawson: But my prayer, even as generic as it may sound or may be perceived as generic, is actually speaking into someone's life in a different way that I may not know.
46:33
Carmen Lezeth: Let me be clear.
46:34
Carmen Lezeth: I'm okay with everyone praying for me.
46:36
Carmen Lezeth: Pray for me as much as you want.
46:38
Carmen Lezeth: I will take all prayers.
46:41
Carmen Lezeth: I am not against it at all.
46:42
Carmen Lezeth: I am not one of those people.
46:43
Carmen Lezeth: I don't care what religion you're in or what you believe.
46:47
Carmen Lezeth: If you're praying for me, I'm all for it.
46:49
Alma Dawson: Go for it, I don't care If I have a question.
46:50
Alma Dawson: I want to throw a question out there.
46:52
Alma Dawson: Yes, of course, something when you were little that you didn't think you were going to like, but you went and you did it and you loved it.
47:00
Alma Dawson: Are you asking me a question?
47:02
Alma Dawson: All of us, everyone.
47:03
Alma Dawson: Okay, say it again.
47:05
Alma Dawson: So something that you did as a child that was art related, that you love and you still, it's still something that you do now as an adult.
47:19
Carmen Lezeth: I thought I would hate going to see Bizette's Carmen is the opera.
47:24
Carmen Lezeth: And now I mean I love opera and I now say it's not true.
47:32
Carmen Lezeth: But I always say that I was named after the opera Carmen, like that's-.
47:38
Alma Dawson: Yeah, you stole mine.
47:39
Alma Dawson: You stole mine.
47:40
Alma Dawson: Oh really, it's opera for me.
47:42
Alma Dawson: I went to see an elementary school.
47:45
Alma Dawson: It was a school field trip.
47:47
Alma Dawson: La Opera has this great program where elementary school teachers go to a class and then they give their kids a free trip to the opera and they get to go see the dress rehearsal.
47:55
Alma Dawson: So my first opera was with Placido Domingo.
48:00
Alma Dawson: And I completely fell in love and I've loved it ever since and I introduced Marissa to it and she loves it.
48:09
Alma Dawson: She did a whole thing, so yeah so.
48:12
Alma Dawson: So that was mine.
48:13
Alma Dawson: I didn't steal yours.
48:14
Carmen Lezeth: We just share the same.
48:15
Carmen Lezeth: That's kind of cool, oh my god.
48:18
Carmen Lezeth: Oh, that's kind of so cool.
48:21
Carmen Lezeth: I love that we'll have to go on a date.
48:23
Carmen Lezeth: Yes, just me and you, though let's leave it there no, we'll leave it there.
48:27
Maurio Dawson: Leave me, I'm fine with it that's a nap opportunity for him.
48:31
Alma Dawson: He naps, oh really okay let's do it.
48:35
Carmen Lezeth: I would love to do it.
48:36
Carmen Lezeth: Okay, rick, I'm sorry.
48:36
Carmen Lezeth: What about you?
48:38
Rick Costa: Naps are life.
48:41
Carmen Lezeth: We thought we were going to talk about being in the orchestra.
48:43
Carmen Lezeth: I thought you were going to say something about the opera, but go ahead.
48:50
Rick Costa: It's like art related.
48:52
Maurio Dawson: I don't know Anything that you can think it's okay, she should throw one out there.
48:57
Carmen Lezeth: That took a little time to think about.
48:58
Carmen Lezeth: Okay, anything related, whatever works for you.
49:02
Rick Costa: I remember when, as a kid I loved to go to the beach all the time.
49:06
Rick Costa: So not art related, but and I never really did learn how to swim.
49:10
Rick Costa: I could doggy paddle, but at first I I never thought I would even like that, but then I started.
49:14
Rick Costa: Oh no, this is fun.
49:15
Rick Costa: Go in the water, splash each other, try swimming, try not to die, try not to die Do you still?
49:22
Carmen Lezeth: not know how to swim now.
49:24
Rick Costa: Doggy paddle.
49:25
Rick Costa: That's it, and I can float.
49:26
Rick Costa: I'm like okay.
49:27
Rick Costa: Okay.
49:31
Carmen Lezeth: Here's another question Totally off tangent, would okay.
49:35
Rick Costa: Here's another question totally off tangent would you go on a cruise on a boat I have on my honeymoon?
49:38
Carmen Lezeth: oh, really see, I would think it'd be hard to go on a boat or a cruise if you didn't know how to swim.
49:43
Carmen Lezeth: I don't know why that would.
49:44
Carmen Lezeth: I did it yeah you don't know how to swim either I do now I can survive now, yeah, but back, no.
49:52
Maurio Dawson: not on my first cruise.
49:54
Maurio Dawson: It was horrible, oh that's so funny, oh, but to answer Elma's question, my childhood experience was that I got to be in my first play at five years old oh, actor, and so I've been in love with theater ever since.
50:12
Maurio Dawson: So that's where my affection for music, musicals, plays, art, any type of concert, that's where that comes from, that five-year-old performance and it was a fundraiser and performance for Kaiser Permanente, believe it or not, and it was at the Wilshire E Bell Theater here in LA.
50:31
Maurio Dawson: I love it and I had my debut at five years old.
50:35
Carmen Lezeth: I love it yeah.
50:38
Maurio Dawson: Isn't that the?
50:38
Carmen Lezeth: coolest thing, don't you love those little things that happen when you're a kid?
50:42
Carmen Lezeth: And then they, I don't know, they change your life, but you remember them forever.
50:45
Carmen Lezeth: There are certain things I cannot remember when I was five, six, seven, eight years old, but there were those little moments like what you just talked about.
50:51
Carmen Lezeth: Oh, now I remember clear as day.
50:54
Maurio Dawson: It's a thread.
50:55
Maurio Dawson: It's a long thread that runs through our life, through our lifespan Did you guys go see Janet Jackson?
51:01
Carmen Lezeth: Is that where you were in Las Vegas?
51:03
Maurio Dawson: We did.
51:04
Carmen Lezeth: I knew you were there.
51:06
Maurio Dawson: I knew you did At Resort World.
51:09
Carmen Lezeth: Oh, I knew that's where you were.
51:11
Carmen Lezeth: Okay, that's art right there.
51:13
Alma Dawson: Oh yeah, she still got it.
51:15
Alma Dawson: She still got it.
51:17
Maurio Dawson: She was dropping it low, bringing it up slow, popping it, dropping it.
51:20
Maurio Dawson: Flames were flying, they were.
51:22
Maurio Dawson: It was nice, it was incredible.
51:24
Maurio Dawson: She changed costumes.
51:25
Maurio Dawson: What?
51:26
Maurio Dawson: Six times?
51:27
Maurio Dawson: Five or six times, six times.
51:29
Alma Dawson: Yes, oh yeah, it was great she had risers.
51:32
Maurio Dawson: She was on a little pole that rolls up in the middle of the stage, laser lights all around.
51:37
Maurio Dawson: She gave a show, yeah it was good.
51:40
Maurio Dawson: She gave a show Two hours and six minutes.
51:43
Maurio Dawson: Really, yeah, just her, nobody else.
51:47
Maurio Dawson: It's a great show.
51:49
Carmen Lezeth: It's interesting, though right, how art can move us.
51:52
Carmen Lezeth: I wasn't even there, but I knew.
51:55
Carmen Lezeth: I knew when you were like, oh, we're going to be in Las Vegas.
51:57
Carmen Lezeth: I'm like he's going to go see Janet Jackson.
51:58
Maurio Dawson: Yep, so did I.
52:00
Carmen Lezeth: I knew where you guys were going.
52:01
Carmen Lezeth: I wasn't even there and I'm not going to see her, but it's like I know that what she did was art, not even a question.
52:16
Rick Costa: She even the question she's in a few clips.
52:17
Rick Costa: She'll be like oh my god, yeah, yeah, I wonder if there's a part of, there's a little part of her that says michael's not here, so let me try to.
52:22
Alma Dawson: She honors him on her show honors him.
52:24
Maurio Dawson: Yeah, she's saying scream, does she?
52:27
Carmen Lezeth: scream with him still, yeah, in the background yeah I mean, remember janet?
52:32
Carmen Lezeth: Janet Jackson was an artist in her own right, regardless of Michael.
52:37
Carmen Lezeth: I'm not trying to be rude, but I loved Nasty and Control.
52:43
Carmen Lezeth: Control was first right.
52:44
Carmen Lezeth: Control was her first album.
52:46
Maurio Dawson: No, it's Young Love.
52:48
Carmen Lezeth: What was it?
52:49
Maurio Dawson: Her first album was Young Love.
52:50
Carmen Lezeth: Okay, what was Pleasure Principle?
52:51
Carmen Lezeth: I knew that whole song, that's the Control Love.
52:52
Carmen Lezeth: Okay, what was Pleasure?
52:53
Maurio Dawson: Principle.
52:53
Maurio Dawson: I knew that whole song, that's the Control album.
52:54
Carmen Lezeth: Okay, I knew that I could do that dance right now for you all.
52:56
Carmen Lezeth: I could do it right now.
52:57
Carmen Lezeth: Get on that chair, I could do the champion and I could do the backflip back in the day you just better do it.
53:03
Carmen Lezeth: And she didn't really.
53:05
Carmen Lezeth: Let me just tell you she did not do the backflip.
53:11
Carmen Lezeth: I did the backflip because I was all in that, but she was an artist in her own right, and so the only reason I push back on that is because I'm sure she misses her brother.
53:20
Carmen Lezeth: But those are two different geniuses right there.
53:23
Maurio Dawson: Yeah.
53:24
Carmen Lezeth: In the same family Crazy.
53:25
Maurio Dawson: I saw a clip, though, where Michael said that Janet stole his military stuff from Rhythm Nation.
53:33
Carmen Lezeth: Was he being funny?
53:35
Maurio Dawson: No, he was upset.
53:36
Maurio Dawson: He was like no, he was already doing this, his story thing, his story album.
53:41
Maurio Dawson: He needed to stop.
53:41
Maurio Dawson: No, he said it started with Captain EO when he was doing the we Are the Change of the World.
53:47
Maurio Dawson: He was doing the militant moves and she saw Captain EO and she's like Michael, can I kind of borrow that?
53:53
Maurio Dawson: And she's like Michael, can I borrow that?
53:54
Maurio Dawson: And he's like whatever, because he's like I was about to go into that whole military type dance.
53:58
Maurio Dawson: He said Janice stole that Shay.
54:03
Carmen Lezeth: You know what I'm just saying?
54:05
Carmen Lezeth: I don't know if I believe him and he's not here.
54:08
Carmen Lezeth: May he rest in peace.
54:09
Carmen Lezeth: But no, he needs to leave her alone.
54:12
Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, but you know that's still in love, but no, he needs to leave her alone yeah yeah, better anyways
54:19
Rick Costa: because that was a rhythm nation is a great album.
54:20
Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, another layered thing that people did 18, 14.
54:23
Carmen Lezeth: People did not understand all of these things.
54:26
Carmen Lezeth: It was so, yeah, people angry about that album too.
54:29
Carmen Lezeth: Remember when that came out yeah I don't know why?
54:34
Rick Costa: Wasn't she an actress too on Good Times as a little girl?
54:36
Rick Costa: Oh yeah, that was Penny.
54:39
Carmen Lezeth: That was Penny.
54:40
Carmen Lezeth: That was a sad storyline, though I hate it.
54:42
Alma Dawson: Yeah, it was.
54:42
Alma Dawson: I was sure you were going to say the comic books were your art thing.
54:49
Carmen Lezeth: What comic books?
54:50
Carmen Lezeth: Well, that's true.
54:54
Alma Dawson: You read comic books.
54:56
Rick Costa: I didn't read comic books.
55:00
Carmen Lezeth: I don't know you're looking back that's not comic books, that's Marvel shit, but it comes from comic books.
55:07
Carmen Lezeth: But I didn't know some people.
55:09
Carmen Lezeth: I'm just saying some people love Marvel but are not comic book fans.
55:14
Carmen Lezeth: I've never heard Rick talk about reading comic books.
55:17
Carmen Lezeth: I didn't know.
55:18
Rick Costa: I didn't know.
55:19
Rick Costa: It was until I was like 14, I think it was whenever that Fox X-Men cartoon came out.
55:26
Carmen Lezeth: Then I was like dope.
55:27
Carmen Lezeth: Do you have some that we can sell and invest in?
55:31
Carmen Lezeth: The podcast live stream.
55:33
Rick Costa: You know what a long box is.
55:34
Rick Costa: A long box is a specific box made for comics.
55:37
Rick Costa: I don't even know how many long boxes I have full of comics Wow, we do.
55:44
Alma Dawson: That's an art collection.
55:46
Rick Costa: I told my son.
55:47
Rick Costa: I said, if I die, you better sell these things, make some money.
55:49
Rick Costa: Why don't you?
55:50
Carmen Lezeth: sell them now and make some money.
55:53
Maurio Dawson: Yeah, the older they are, the make some money.
55:55
Maurio Dawson: Why don't you tell them now?
55:55
Maurio Dawson: And make some money.
55:56
Maurio Dawson: Yeah, the older they are, the more they enjoy.
55:57
Carmen Lezeth: I'm just saying leave that stupid job.
56:01
Carmen Lezeth: I mean not the stupid job.
56:03
Maurio Dawson: It's a great job.
56:03
Maurio Dawson: It's not stupid, it's income.
56:06
Maurio Dawson: We love our jobs.
56:09
Carmen Lezeth: We do, and with that at the hour mark before we go down, a horrible you know what.
56:16
Carmen Lezeth: I had a worse day today at work and yesterday was a horrible day and then it was raining all day and I hate how people drive in LA.
56:24
Carmen Lezeth: So yeah, I'm just saying if you sold the comic books and they were worth millions of dollars, I mean, are comic books worth?
56:33
Carmen Lezeth: They're worth a lot of money it can be, yeah you like cynthia, you don't want to spend your money.
56:41
Rick Costa: You got money, you got investments, but you don't want to spend it well, like there's also this digital comic thing called vvve and it's all digital comics.
56:52
Rick Costa: And I took a chance one day and there was like a really old, old, old Hulk one.
56:57
Rick Costa: I was like let me take a chance.
56:59
Rick Costa: It was like 20 bucks.
57:00
Rick Costa: I was like, Ooh, that's a lot, Cause usually most of them are six 99.
57:03
Rick Costa: I was like maybe it's worth something that I did, a little bit of research and you.
57:09
Rick Costa: There's five possibilities.
57:10
Rick Costa: You can get Just normal blah, blah, blah until super rare.
57:14
Rick Costa: I got the super rare and that thing cost $1,000.
57:19
Carmen Lezeth: Wait, you bought it for $20 and now it's $1,000?
57:22
Carmen Lezeth: .
57:22
Maurio Dawson: It's worth $1,000.
57:24
Carmen Lezeth: It's a digital thing.
57:25
Carmen Lezeth: It's digital and you don't want to sell that.
57:29
Carmen Lezeth: You never know it could go more later.
57:32
Carmen Lezeth: I'm just saying you know what?
57:36
Carmen Lezeth: I'm not that kind of investor.
57:37
Carmen Lezeth: I'm not that kind of investor.
57:39
Carmen Lezeth: I don't invest like that.
57:40
Carmen Lezeth: I'm not going to be hurting in pain while I have investments that could make me feel happy.
57:46
Carmen Lezeth: I'm not that person.
57:47
Carmen Lezeth: But that's why I guess I work for other people, because I don't wait the long gate.
57:51
Carmen Lezeth: All right With that, I am going to end the show.
57:53
Carmen Lezeth: Thank, guess I work for other people because I don't wait the long gate.
57:58
Carmen Lezeth: But all right with that, I am going to end the show.
57:59
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58:00
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58:00
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58:01
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58:07
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