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KILLER ATTORNEY ALEX MURDAUGH RETRIAL ODDS SKYROCKET · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, killer attorney Alex Murdog. Retrial
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  Speaker 1: odds are skyrocketing Vegas rushing to take bets there will
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  Speaker 1: be a new trial for Alex Murdog. I'm Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: After all that, that long and tortuous trial, the investigations,
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  Speaker 1: the twists, the turns, the cross exams. Alex Murdog on
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  Speaker 1: the stand line through his teeth, crying. Now the odds
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  Speaker 1: are soaring that Alex Murdog will have a new trial.
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  Speaker 1: That all starts here. Listen one forty seven, Mosaille Roads.
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  Speaker 1: I need to comic.
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  Speaker 2: My wife at top gop badness.
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  Speaker 3: I here fel on the line.
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  Speaker 2: I'm still here, okay, Colin, I am an Alex Murdock
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  Speaker 2: on the line caller from forty one forty seven, the
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  Speaker 2: rules either losing that his.
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  Speaker 4: Wife's aunt child was shot.
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  Speaker 5: Forty one forty seven, Moaille Roade.
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  Speaker 4: I'll get up through it now.
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  Speaker 6: It's bast Okay, so they.
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  Speaker 2: Shut they shouldn't shot.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, hell, so.
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  Speaker 2: I bad in, you know, ma'am Okay anything. My wife
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  Speaker 2: and my son.
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  Speaker 7: Had a nile no man baron ground out at my
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  Speaker 7: panels when you got into.
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  Speaker 2: Bed and shot really bad.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're on the ground, not by the kettles, shot
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  Speaker 1: really back because I just shot him apstead. I say
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  Speaker 1: that with me in All Star Panel to make sense
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  Speaker 1: of what is happening right now, how does it go
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  Speaker 1: from that guilty verdict to the judge on the bench
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  Speaker 1: trying to make a determination whether there has been jury misconduct?
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  Speaker 8: Listen, I simply do not believe that the authority of
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  Speaker 8: amsiar comana Supreme Court requires a new trial in a
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  Speaker 8: very lengthy trial such as this on the strength of
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  Speaker 8: some fleeting and foolish comments by a publicity influenced clerk
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  Speaker 8: of court. This is a matter within the discretion of
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  Speaker 8: the trial juge, and I am the trial judge.
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  Speaker 1: At this moment.
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  Speaker 8: I do not feel that I abuse my discretion when
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  Speaker 8: I find the defendant's motion for a new trial on
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  Speaker 8: the factual record before me must be denied. And it
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  Speaker 8: do is so order that was judge told.
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  Speaker 1: So how are we right here right now with me
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  Speaker 1: and All Star Panel to make sense of what we
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  Speaker 1: are learning as we go to air tonight? Straight out
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  Speaker 1: to Jennifer Wood, director of research at Fitznews Dot com
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  Speaker 1: who threw out the investigation and the trial was breaking
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  Speaker 1: news left and right about Alex Murdoch. And I'm pretty
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  Speaker 1: sure you got a lot more breaking news about Alex Murdock,
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  Speaker 1: including wife Maggie's jewelry mysteriously going missing, and a whole
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  Speaker 1: lot more. But how in the hey are we here now, Jennifer?
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  Speaker 1: Is it true that the South Carolina Supreme Court has
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  Speaker 1: just said, yeah, I know what the judge just said,
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  Speaker 1: but we want to hear Alex Murdoch's lawyers argument just
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  Speaker 1: in case has this happened.
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  Speaker 4: They have not heard the argument yet, but on December twelfth,
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  Speaker 4: his attorneys did file their official appeal with the South
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  Speaker 4: Carolina Supreme Court. So it's going to be very interesting.
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  Speaker 4: We're right now awaiting the Attorney General's response to that appeal,
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  Speaker 4: which I believe is coming beginning of March.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there, of course, Jennifer, when I can tell you
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  Speaker 1: this right now, the state's attorney general is trying to
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  Speaker 1: hold that conviction. I wrote most of the appellate briefs
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  Speaker 1: on murder cases I tried, but the murder cases the
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  Speaker 1: age would also write an emica's curity brief Friend of
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  Speaker 1: the Court to Bolster to go along with to partner
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  Speaker 1: with my brief. So I guarantee you the States brief
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  Speaker 1: asking the US the South Carolina Supreme Court to do
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  Speaker 1: what they want is going to be in tandem with
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  Speaker 1: the prosecution brief. They don't want this case heard by
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  Speaker 1: the South Carolina Supreme Court. But what I'm asking you, Jennifer,
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  Speaker 1: isn't it true that the South Carolina Supreme Court has
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  Speaker 1: given Murdock's defense the okay to file briefs they want
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  Speaker 1: consider it, they have they want to consider it, okay,
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  Speaker 1: joining me again an all star panel. Regina Ward is
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  Speaker 1: a high profile lawyer, criminal defense attorney there in this
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  Speaker 1: jurisdiction of South Carolina. And so it begins Alex murdog
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  Speaker 1: is headed for a new trial because the Supreme Court
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  Speaker 1: did not have to say, yeah, I'll hear your argument.
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  Speaker 1: That is a big indicator of Regina of what the
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  Speaker 1: Court's going to do. I think that that's a possibility.
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  Speaker 9: But the brief that they filed, there were many, many
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  Speaker 9: more issues there. I think it was like one hundred
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  Speaker 9: and twenty something or one hundred and thirty pages, and
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  Speaker 9: so there's more just this issue.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, there were going on two hundred points raised
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  Speaker 1: by Hart Putlingan or the new defense team. Of course
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  Speaker 1: there are Do they amount to a hill of beans?
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  Speaker 1: Probably not, But of course they're going to raise every
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  Speaker 1: possible issue. But the South Carolina Supreme Court is limited
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  Speaker 1: to the facts in the transcript. If they are arguing
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  Speaker 1: factual issues or discrepancies, that's not to be heard by
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  Speaker 1: the appellate court. They are hearing legal issues. This is
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  Speaker 1: what I think will likely be the single strongest case
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  Speaker 1: for Alex Murlou to get a new trial. And it
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  Speaker 1: all goes back. I never thought I'd have to say
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  Speaker 1: these words again to the Egg lady. Take a listen
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  Speaker 1: to her being questioned by the court.
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  Speaker 8: Was your verdict based entirely on the testimony, evidence, and
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  Speaker 8: law presented to you in this case?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, ma'am.
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  Speaker 8: Did you hear Missus Becky Hill make any comment about
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  Speaker 8: this case.
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  Speaker 1: Before your verdict?
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  Speaker 7: Yes, ma'am.
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  Speaker 8: If yes, didn't, Missus heels say.
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  Speaker 1: To watch his actions, to watch his actions, what else?
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  Speaker 1: To watch him closely?
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  Speaker 8: To watch him closely?
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  Speaker 1: Anything else?
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  Speaker 8: You can remember?
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  Speaker 1: There it is, but I can't remember. Okay, that's fine,
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, she's on the stand. The so called egg lady,
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  Speaker 1: And I was there when this happened. A juror was
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  Speaker 1: dismissed because of alleged misconduct. And before she left the courthouse,
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  Speaker 1: she said she wanted to go back in the jury
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  Speaker 1: deliberation room and get the dozen eggs she had brought
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  Speaker 1: to court that day. That's how she got that name. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: wait a minute, she's on the stand. Let me understand this.
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer wood Fitz News. She's on the stand to talk
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  Speaker 1: about everything the court clerk did wrong, Becky Hill, and
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  Speaker 1: the judge says, can you think of anything else? Is
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  Speaker 1: there anything else? She's under o sitting there prepared for
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  Speaker 1: this moment. She goes, there is, but I can't remember.
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  Speaker 1: Did she she did that?
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  Speaker 6: She did well?
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  Speaker 1: That didn't help the defense. But wait a minute, they
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  Speaker 1: make a little bit of a comeback. Listen, was your verdict.
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  Speaker 8: Influenced in any way by the communications.
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  Speaker 1: Of the clerk of court in this case? Yes, ma'am,
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  Speaker 1: And how was it influenced?
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  Speaker 7: To me?
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  Speaker 1: It felt like she made it seem like he was
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  Speaker 1: already guilty.
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  Speaker 8: All right, and I understand that that's the tenor of
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  Speaker 8: the remark she made. Did that affect your finding.
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  Speaker 1: Of guilty in this case, yes, ma'am. So this is
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  Speaker 1: all about the clerk of court, Becky Hill. Writing a book,
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer Woodfezniez explained, you know, I think, you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, like Virgina said, there are one hundred and thirty
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  Speaker 4: two pages of issues, but I think it's really going
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  Speaker 4: to come down to the clerk of court's behavior and
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  Speaker 4: whether or not things that she allegedly said futures during
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  Speaker 4: the course of the trial had an impact on their verdict.
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  Speaker 4: You know, the tutors said that she said before Alex
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  Speaker 4: Murnach took the stand, watched his body language. One of
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  Speaker 4: those jurors, flighty or not about it, said that that
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  Speaker 4: did impact her decision whether or not Alex was guilty
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  Speaker 4: or in his.
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  Speaker 1: Ent, Maggie and Paul lose their lives, gunned down and
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  Speaker 1: the dog can all out in the middle of nowhere
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  Speaker 1: and guess who's on the scene. Alex murdog. He claims
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  Speaker 1: he was at his mom's house a few miles away,
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  Speaker 1: but video and cell phone data a GPS data seemed
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  Speaker 1: to indicate he is nothing but a liar. Back to
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  Speaker 1: Becky Hill, the court clerk allegedly affecting the jury and
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  Speaker 1: I guess Jennifer Woods is because the defense claims that
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  Speaker 1: she wanted a guilty verdict because her book sales would
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  Speaker 1: be greater and she would make more money. Is that
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  Speaker 1: their claim.
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  Speaker 2: That's one of their claims.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, I've always thought about that and thought,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I think the book would have been just
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  Speaker 4: as interesting, if not more so, if he was.
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  Speaker 2: Found not guilty.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know if I necessarily buy that motivation,
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  Speaker 4: but yes, that is that is one of their theories.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I got to tell you something else, Jennifer Wood.
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  Speaker 1: Judge Jane told kind of handed this up started up
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  Speaker 1: on a silver platter because the judge comments on Becky
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  Speaker 1: Hill's credibility. Listen the facts, did clerk of court?
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  Speaker 8: He'll make comments to any jewel or which express her
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  Speaker 8: opinion of what the verdict would be. Miss Hill denies
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  Speaker 8: a and so the question becomes was her denied credible?
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  Speaker 8: I find that the clerk of court is not completely
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  Speaker 8: credible as a witness. Miss Hill was attracted by the
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  Speaker 8: siren call of celebrity. She wanted to write a book
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  Speaker 8: about the trial and express that as early as November
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  Speaker 8: twenty twenty two, long before the trial.
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  Speaker 1: Began, So what does that mean in your mind, Jennifer
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  Speaker 1: Wood joining us from Fitznews. The odds are escalating that
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  Speaker 1: because of that one issue, and of course you've pointed
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  Speaker 1: out there are many more that have been raised by
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  Speaker 1: the defense, whether they amount to anything or not, that
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  Speaker 1: there will be a new trial. How would that happen?
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  Speaker 1: How would that be executed? Where's Murdock right now?
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  Speaker 4: Murdoch is in the South Carolina Department of Correction. He
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  Speaker 4: is serving his two life sentences that he received as
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  Speaker 4: a result of this verdict. They would you know, if
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  Speaker 4: they do agree with his attorneys, they will remand it
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  Speaker 4: for a new trial and we will start all over.
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  Speaker 1: After the so called egg Lady juror was dismissed. And remember,
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer Wood, isn't it true that Becky Heal was the
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  Speaker 1: one that brought the attention of the court to the
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  Speaker 1: egg Lady to get her dismissed from the jury.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, that's absolutely true. It involved a alleged Facebook post
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  Speaker 4: that she said she had seen in a local Facebook group.
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  Speaker 4: Nobody has ever seen that Facebook post. When she brought
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  Speaker 4: it to the judge's attention, she could not find it again.
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  Speaker 4: The post that she did ultimately end up finding was
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  Speaker 4: from the husband of somebody. You know, it was from
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  Speaker 4: somebody with the same name as her ex husband in
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  Speaker 4: a different state and totally unrelated. So, I mean, I
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  Speaker 4: still have questions whether you know about.
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  Speaker 1: This post, where is it? Did it exist?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it was what ultimately partially led to her dismissal.
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  Speaker 1: So does this so called egg lady have an ax
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  Speaker 1: to grind against the clerk? Becky Wood? That aside, The
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  Speaker 1: issue is did the clerk affect the outcome of the verdict?
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  Speaker 1: Many legal legals, like myself say it did not. But
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  Speaker 1: even the appearance of impropriety may be enough for Alex
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  Speaker 1: Murdog to get a new trial. Doesn't mean he's innocent
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  Speaker 1: hbl n O. But will that stop a new trial
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  Speaker 1: in no way? Listen? Okay, what is her name?
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  Speaker 7: Maggie Simplease hurry.
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  Speaker 4: We're getting somebody out there to you, man ask can
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  Speaker 4: you these questions on Slodon down?
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  Speaker 6: Okay?
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  Speaker 1: Is he moving now? Your son?
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  Speaker 2: I know he said that she was shot, but what
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  Speaker 2: about your son?
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  Speaker 1: Nobody, they're not even one. Name's Maggie Murdoch okay?
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  Speaker 2: And what's your son's first name?
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  Speaker 1: Is Paul? Harry Murdoch. Where they all gad, Yes, sir,
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  Speaker 1: that's what.
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  Speaker 7: That's what it looks like.
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  Speaker 1: If there is a new trial for convicted killer lawyer
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  Speaker 1: Alex Murdoch and the double murder of wife Maggie's son Paul,
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  Speaker 1: what will the defense do differently Now they've got the
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  Speaker 1: state's whole playbook for Pete's sake. Well, for one thing,
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  Speaker 1: they're going to attack the video taken by son Paul
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  Speaker 1: in the kennel, the scene of the double murder, just minutes,
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  Speaker 1: maybe even seconds before gunfire rings out. Listen.
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  Speaker 5: One of the biggest issues hearing Alex Murda on a
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  Speaker 5: video on Paul Murdau's iPhone when they were down by
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  Speaker 5: the kennel, minutes before Paul and Maggie Murdad were murdered.
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  Speaker 5: By the time, Alex claims he was not at the residence.
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  Speaker 5: Paul's iPhone was found right away, but it was locked.
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  Speaker 5: The phone was sent to the US Secret Service using
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  Speaker 5: digital forensic technology designed to bypass iPhone encryption. The Secret
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  Speaker 5: Service attempted to crack the pass code and failed what
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  Speaker 5: finally unlocked the phone and contradicted Alex Murdad's alibi. Paul
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  Speaker 5: Murda's birthday April fourteenth, nineteen ninety nine. The six digit
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  Speaker 5: passcode zero four one four ninety nine, phone unlocked, alibi crushed.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me is Chris McDonough, director Cold Case Foundation and
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  Speaker 1: former homicide detective. Chris question. They had to send Paul
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  Speaker 1: Murdoch's cell phone to the Secret Service using digital forensic
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  Speaker 1: technology to bypass iPhone encryption. They couldn't crack it, and
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  Speaker 1: finally they cracked it. It was Paul's birthday. Really, that's
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  Speaker 1: one of the very first one of the very first
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  Speaker 1: codes you try are various people close to the individual's birthdays.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, Nancy, And what happens there nine out of ten
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  Speaker 7: times is just that point you just made common sense.
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  Speaker 7: It's like, let's try the first type of things first,
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  Speaker 7: i e. You know, birthday, social security numbers, et cetera.
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  Speaker 7: But in this case, they sent it off to the
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  Speaker 7: Secret Service, and what ends up happening is they actually
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  Speaker 7: put it in what they call a blank room, meaning
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  Speaker 7: they have an algorithm that kind of runs through this
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  Speaker 7: phone over and over and over again to try and
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  Speaker 7: make matches. And remember they did that years ago in
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  Speaker 7: the shoe in Sam Bernardino where they couldn't get into
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  Speaker 7: the suspect's phone. So in this case they were unsuccessful
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  Speaker 7: and they sent it back and the sled was able
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  Speaker 7: to get the data.
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  Speaker 1: Birth in there to Jennifer Wood joining me direct research
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  Speaker 1: fits news. Jennifer, why is the video on Paul Murdoch's
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  Speaker 1: phone so critical? The defense has to have it ruled
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  Speaker 1: out or attack it in some way if they want
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  Speaker 1: to win the retrial.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that video is critical because it shattered his alibi.
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  Speaker 4: He said he was not down at those dog kennels,
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  Speaker 4: and when they got that phone open and saw that video,
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  Speaker 4: they realized he was lying.
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  Speaker 1: You're absolutely correct. They've got to be able to attack
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  Speaker 1: this video. Hey, let's see the video. Roll it, get it,
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  Speaker 1: get back.
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  Speaker 8: Quick cash quintin.
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  Speaker 7: Ship first, Hey you got.
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  Speaker 1: Burdens Now, Hey, Buba, it's a there's a chicken.
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  Speaker 2: Come a cash quick.
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  Speaker 1: You have to know what you're listening for, Jennifer Wood.
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  Speaker 1: The argument is made that you hear Alex murdog on
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  Speaker 1: that video.
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  Speaker 2: That is the argument.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm not gonna lie. I listened to Alex testify
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  Speaker 4: for two straight days and I heard that voice in
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  Speaker 4: the video. They are they?
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  Speaker 1: And what is Alex Murdoch saying, because this is the
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  Speaker 1: point of the video. Paul murnad, the murdered son had
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  Speaker 1: a friend's dog in the kennel at the friends repressed
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  Speaker 1: the dog was going to be taken to the vet
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  Speaker 1: and it had some kind of laceration or something or
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  Speaker 1: rash on its hind quarters or tail. So Paul and
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  Speaker 1: Maggie were out there in the kennels after she had
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  Speaker 1: been lured there by the way by Alex Murnaud, and
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  Speaker 1: they're taking the video to send to the friend to
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  Speaker 1: send to the vet. That's why they're there. And what
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  Speaker 1: is it? You hear Murdog say in the background.
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  Speaker 4: So they had a dog named Bubba that had gotten
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  Speaker 4: a hold of one of their either guineas or chickens,
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  Speaker 4: and he's yelling at the dog trying to catch it.
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  Speaker 1: You hear him say something about a guinea and then
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  Speaker 1: say it's a chicken. Okay. You can hear him in
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  Speaker 1: the background. I remember you sitting there in court listening
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  Speaker 1: to Murdoch drone on and it really only got good
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  Speaker 1: when he started snodding and crying on the stand. But
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  Speaker 1: that said, that's his voice, and the jury believed it. Now,
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  Speaker 1: let's This is just what would you say a minute
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  Speaker 1: or two before Maggie and Paul were shot at me
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  Speaker 1: when he was saying that it's a chicken, it's a
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  Speaker 1: gain me whatever he's saying. He had to have the
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  Speaker 1: gun and the plan ready to murder them, and you
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  Speaker 1: hear him talking to Maggie and Paul like everything's fine.
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  Speaker 1: Within minutes those two were shot dead. Paul I believe
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  Speaker 1: was shot first. Maggie went to go defend Paul. And
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  Speaker 1: if she was murdered. What is the time differential there?
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  Speaker 4: I mean it like you said, it is within minutes,
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  Speaker 4: like three to five minutes. I can't remember the exact
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  Speaker 4: exact time framebody, I mean we're talking minutes.
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  Speaker 9: Paul Murdaud was that that's a voting accident from while back.
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  Speaker 6: If you remember, you all know Alec Murdoch, that's his son,
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  Speaker 6: Show drop a good look.
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  Speaker 1: Paul dead, the son of Alex Murdock, brutally gunned down
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  Speaker 1: along with Maggie, Alex Murnau's wife. Where will the defense
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  Speaker 1: go when a retrial occurs? Vegas bets soaring, Now there
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  Speaker 1: will be a retrial for Alex murdog. They're going here
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  Speaker 1: attacking the state cell phone expert regarding Maggie's cell phone listen.
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  Speaker 5: Part of Murdad's appeal of his murder conviction centers around
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  Speaker 5: the testimony of cell phone expert witness Paul mcmanagal of
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  Speaker 5: the Charleston County Sheriff's Office. He testified about using his
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  Speaker 5: darkened office as a lab and tossing an iPhone around
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  Speaker 5: the room to see if the backlight would come on.
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  Speaker 5: He kept no records, took no measurements, then testified as
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  Speaker 5: an expert about what it would take to make the
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  Speaker 5: backlight come on. The importance is the state, says Alec Murda,
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: based on his suburban GPS data drove by the area
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: Maggie's iPhone was located at nine oh eight pm, saying
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: Murdad tossed the phone out of his vehicle as he
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: drove down the road, but Maggie's iPhone indicated her backlight
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: did not come on again after nine oh seven pm.
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: The argument is that if Murdach passed the location at
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: nine o eight pm and tossed out the phone, the
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: backlight would have come on, but Maggie's iPhone didn't light
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: up again after nine oh seven pm.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Jennifer Wood. That's a lot of speculation on the defense part.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: But if they can get one juror to believe that
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Maggie's cell phone light the lamp would have come on
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: when Murdoch threw it out the window, and by the way,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Murdog's navigation equipment on his suburban shows where he let
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: the window down on the passenger side to throw the
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: phone out, by the way, as he was dashing to
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: his mother's house. To create an alibi, they would have
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: to convince a jury that the phone absolutely would have
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: turned on as it was thrown out in that soft grass.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: So tell me why this is so critical.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: Well, if the last time it lit up was before
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: before he drove by that spot, then he wasn't the
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: one disposing of that phone. And somebody else was there.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: Hello, yeah, and can you have to face talker.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Thanks having the care it Cole.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, do you know he's crut the hood and there's
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: gold on the concrete and he breathed.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Out of her left here. Okay, you bring out of
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: her here and out of her head? Okay, all right?
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: The other waiting for you, trying to stand up this
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: all down again.
• 23:58
  Speaker 7: No, I was holding her up.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, she told me to listen to this time, to
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: move on, but then she fell back over.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, do you guys know here, Yes, she worked for.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: Okay, do you know she's ever had a stroker or anything?
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: Before?
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Man can pray?
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Another death connected to the Murdog family and Alex Murdog
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: orchestrates an extensive and intricate plot to steal the insurance
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: money from Gloria Satterfield's family. I'm talking about millions of
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: dollars stolen, a deadly fall and about four million dollars
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: stolen by Murdog. Oh, what a tangled web we weave
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: in the last days. Another bombshell in the Murdad case.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Joining me, Jennifer wood Fitz Neece Jennifer. What's the latest
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: in the Gloria Sadderfield case? Right?
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: So, Gloria Saddle Satterfield, the insurance company for that took
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: Corey Fleming and Alex Murdoch to federal court. That trial
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: just occurred and a jury ordered Alex Murdoch to pay
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: fourteen point eight million dollars in damages and his co
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: conspirator over three million dollars in damages.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: And what we're talking about regarding a conspiracy. Gloria Satterfield
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: falls down the steps at Murdoch's mansion. She dies. Then
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Murdoch can correct me if I'm wrong, Jennifer Wood. Murdoch
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: approaches Satterfield's family and gets them to hire him to
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: represent them in an insurance claim, then proceeds to steal
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: the money. Do I have that right, Jennifer, I have
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: absolutely right.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: He stole the bunny.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Joining me is doctor Kendall Crown's chief medical Examiner ter County.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: That's fort Worth, esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Medicine at TCU. Doctor Kendall Crowns, thank you for being
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: with us. Explain to me what happened to Glorias Saderfield.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: There have been so many theories. She was pushed down
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: the stairs, she tripped over dogs, there was a delay
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: in reporting it, no assistance was made. But you hear
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: son Paul Now did and wife Maggie Now did on
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: the phone with nine to one one. So what were
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: the injuries? Why did she have to die from a
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: slip and fall or some have called it a fake
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: and fall? What happened?
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: So what she had was injuries to her head. She
• 26:34
  Speaker 6: had a laceration of her right side of her head,
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: she had a right sided subdural hemorrhage, which is a
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: hemorrhage on the brain as well as injuries to the
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: brain itself, and then she had left sided rib fractures.
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: So there's some comment that she fell, or she tripped
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: over a dog, or she fell downstairs. The problem with
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: these injuries is a right sided laceration with a right
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: sided subdural is often from a blow to the ahead
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: and it's not from a fall. Usually what you're seeing
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: as a right side laceration with a opposite side subdural,
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: so it's not consistent. And then with the left sided
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: rip fractures. I mean, if she fell downstairs, there'd be
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: multiple injuries about the skin and body that would show
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: that she was tumbling downstairs resulting in all these injuries.
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: So the injuries are inconsistent with the story that's provided.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Wow, when you put it like that, it makes the
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: fall seem very very nefarious, doesn't it. Doctor guys joining
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: me in addition to medical examiner, not just medical examiner,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Chief medical Examiner, Doctor Kimmell Crowns is a very special
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: guest joining us Blanca Simpson, the Murdog's former housekeeper and
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: friend of Gloria Sadderfield, Blanka, what was your reaction when
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: you learned Gloria had fallen down those steep steps and died.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: It was heartbreaking. She was a very nice lady. She
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: would do anything for you, and you too were fairly close,
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: weren't you. Yes, While we were there, she would tell
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: me about her children, her life. She loved working for
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Maggie and Alex.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Look, I want to ask you about the days that
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: preceded Maggie and Paul's murder. A few months before the murder,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: I believe Maggie told you about a lawsuit that was
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: demanding around thirty million dollars. Now that lawsuit, of course,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: was the death of a nineteen year old girl, Mallory Beach,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: who was in a boat with Paul, driving drunk, horribly drunk.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Maggie was worried about that money, wasn't she?
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: She was worried about the money, and Alec knew it.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: And the first time she ever mentioned they ever mentioned it,
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: it kind of hushed up right there at the counter
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: in the kitchen.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: And then.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: After that, that's when I came in that morning, probably
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: a couple of days later, and I guess they had
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: discussed it. I'm not sure, but that's when I came
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: in and she said, I got to tell you something,
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: and that's when we went in there, and she finished
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: telling me everything else. You know that where were they
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: going to get that money? They didn't have that kind
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: of money. And she just couldn't understand.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: What was going on.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: And it wasn't that she was trying to be that
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: she was trying to cover up anything. I listening to her,
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: she really did not know the total extent of the lawsuits.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: She didn't know. She knew bits and pieces, but she
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: didn't know exactly what was going on.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: But she was crying and upset and told you confidentially
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: that there was a multimillion dollar lawsuit against some Mardog
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: family because of that boat crash, and they didn't have
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: that kind of money.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: That's correct. Alec didn't like any crying. I remember her
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: telling me that if he ever says anything and you
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: feel bad or he makes you feel bad, just don't
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: let him see you cry.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: So I.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: I believe that's why we went in that room, even
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: though he was there at the house, but he was
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: all the way on the other side, and when we
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: went in there.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: She could express herself no judgment. I had no reason
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: to judge her. I just listened to her.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: So Maggie would have to walk off in another room
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: and shut the door so Murdoch would not see her cry.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she didn't cry in front of him. That was
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: just one thing.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: Even if sometimes he would say something, we just you
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: just don't don't cry in front of him.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: He didn't like that.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: It didn't you know, it wasn't going to affect how
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: he felt or whatever the situation was.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: So I do.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: That was from the very beginning. I remember when I
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: first started working there, when Gloria was still there. Even
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: Gloria made.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: That comment to me, what comment about it? If he
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: says anything that they might hurt your feelings, don't let
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: him see you cry.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: What was Murdoch like to work for?
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: He was good to me. I I never had an answer.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: I can't.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: I know there's people that want me to speak badly
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: about him or say things. You know, as far as
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: when I work there, he was always he was always
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: very nice to me anything that I needed.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Yes, I want you to understand that. I don't want
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: you to say anything other than the truth, because, believe me,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: I've seen plenty of killers, stone cold killers that had
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: everybody else charmed. So I'm not surprised at all. I mean,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: how do you think he got all those bank loans
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: from millions and millions of dollars? He charmed the bank
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: into thinking that he could pay it all off. He
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: charmed all of his clients and stole their money, I agree,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: even clients that were quadgriplegics. So I would not expect
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: anything different because he needed you, He needed you to
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: see him in a certain way. Now I'm curious. Many
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: people have told me, hey, that's not in evidence, that's
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: not true. But isn't it true that the night of
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: the murders, Maggie told you she had been called to
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: the hunting lodge Moseille. She didn't want to go because
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: she was at the beach house and didn't want to
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: leave yet. But Murdoch called her and convinced her to
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: come to Mozille the night she was murdered.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: She did, and I have the text where she said
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: she didn't really want to go. I still have her
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: text on my phone.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Tell me what she said?
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: She had workers at She still had workers out there
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: at the beach house, and she felt that she needed
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: to just complete all the finishing touches and you know
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: that that that were there was still some little projects
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: that had to be completed at Edistone, and she just
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: wanted to be there. She was very like I said
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: in my testimony, she was very detailed oriented. It had
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: to be you know, perfect in her eyes, and that's
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: one of the reasons she wanted to be there. She
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: knew that I had Mozille, and if anything came up,
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: I was at Mozille, and she felt comforted. So I
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: handled pretty much, you know, Moseille, whatever came up, whatever.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: Needed to be done.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: I took care of Mozille, and she felt comfortable staying
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: at Edistone and we just used to talk and if
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: she needed for me to take care of anything, she
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: would just give me a call or text me. But
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: that on June the seventh, she texted me that Alex
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: wanted her to come home and Paul as well, and she'd.
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: And that was.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: I meant what I said. She was hesitant to come
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: to Moselle.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: She didn't want to come to Moseielle, despite the fact
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: that yes, she did love mister Randolph. Mister Randolph was
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: really good to her.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: And that would have been Alex Murdock's father, is mister Randolph. Yes,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: you know I'm thinking about this call, the text from
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Maggie at that time, Miss Simpson, did you have any
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: reason to suspect Alex Murdock? No crime stories with Nancy Grace.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Alex Murdog, double killer, convicted lawyer gets a new trial.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Is that where we're headed? According to Vegas odds, Yes,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: joining me right now, Special guests. Blanca Simpson, former housekeeper
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: for the Alex Murdogg family, Blanca. Another critical point regarding
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: your perspective is that the night of the murders, both
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: just before Paul and Maggie were shot dead, you were
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: actually at the home at Maggie's request and you made supper.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Right, Yes, I did.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: And then the next morning you got a phone call
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: from Alex Murdogg. What happened?
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: Alex called me as I was getting my husband ready
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: to go to work that morning, and I was getting
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: ready as well to go out to Mozelle and.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: That's when he.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: Tells me they're gone. Being you know, they're gone, And
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: like I said in my testimony, I thought I was like,
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: did she go back to edistone? She said no, being
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: they're dead.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: And I still I can still hear him repeatedly saying
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: that in my head, you know they're dead.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: What was his demeanor? How did he sound?
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: He was jittery, crying, you know, having small episodes of crying.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: You know, you could tell he sounded distraught.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: I was in shock.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: To tell you, the crew, Blanka, he asked you to
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: come clean the house up. I know you found pots
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: of leftovers in the kitchen, but you've also noticed something
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: very odd about Maggie's pajamas.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: What her pajamas were in the middle of the doorway
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: going into the laundry room, which is usually the first
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: place that I went when I got there. I used
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: to drop off my keys in there in my phone,
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: go straight in the laundry room. That morning, when I
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: walked through, I left all the lights off. I I
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: just walked in and it was just a cold, eerie
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: feeling that went through me. And it was just the
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: thought that, oh my god. You know, I still could
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: not grasp the concept that I was never going to
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: see them again, and you know, I was never When you're.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Talking about her pajamas being laid out neatly in a doorway.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: They also had with them underwear. Was it were they
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: laid out? What were they on the floor or though
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: they on a hangar? Where were they they were on
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: the floor. When you say laid out neatly, what do
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: you mean laid out flat neatly?
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: One on you it was like the pants were spread out,
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: laid out. Then you had the underwear and then her
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: pajama top stretched out on top neatly.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: They weren't both We never have done that.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Plus, she didn't wear underwear to bed right.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: That is correct. She didn't do that, and I stand
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: by that she did not do that. That was not her.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Several weeks later, Alex Murda called you, well, actually got
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: together with you, and he was very agitated, pacing back
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: and forth, asking you about what you remembered regarding the
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: night Maggie and Paul were murdered. What did he ask you?
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: He was pacing back and forth in the living room,
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: and he kept going back and forth. He said, sit down,
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: sit down. I got to tell you something. Something's not right.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: And he said, I got a you know, I got
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: a bad feeling. And he at that point he motioned
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: and he touched his stomach. He said, I got a
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: bad feeling. I got a bad feeling. And he says,
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: you remember what I was wearing that day, you know,
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: the Bennie Vines And like I said, I was kind
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: of like, you know, no, that's not what And I
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: understand that people have said, well, Bennie Vines also makes
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: you know the fit. I should have described it better
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: on the stand when I said, no, you weren't wearing
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: a Bennie Vines. He that Bennie Vines also makes the
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: fishing stock.
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: Was he wearing.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: He was wearing a sea foamy green polo shirt when
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: he left that house. Well, you got it with memory.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: So Jennifer Wood joining me direct research fits news. That's
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: critical because in these video that we're showing, the video
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: we're showing right now when the cops get there, he
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: is wearing a Vineyard Vines Vinnie Vine's T shirt that
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: he was trying to convince Blanca to say he was
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: wearing when she we talked to him. Why is that
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: so critical, Jennifer? You know, it's just another another series,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: It's another lie.
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: In his web of lies. I mean, why why ask
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: her to verify something that wasn't true.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: And in my mind, more importantly, Chris McDonald, homicide detective,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: why did he change clothes before police arrived at what
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: happened to the cea phone colored shirt? Blanca remembers him wearing.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Think it might have had a little bit of blood
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: spatter on it.
• 40:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly, Nancy, blood transfer. And remember the first question
• 40:39
  Speaker 7: the cops asked him when they got on the scene.
• 40:41
  Speaker 7: They started asking him about the firearm, and he shifted
• 40:45
  Speaker 7: that conversation immediately to the boat wreck. He's classic, This
• 40:49
  Speaker 7: guy's classic.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds in the Alex Murnoch double
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: murder case. Nancy Gray signing off, goodbye friend, I give