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Mega Edition: Jeffrey Epstein And His Infamous Black Book (Part 1) (7/29/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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Speaker 1: This article. Like I said, Mother Jones headline, I called
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Speaker 1: everyone in Jeffrey Epstein's Little Black Book. What I learned
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Speaker 1: about rich people, conspiracy, genius, Gilaine, stand up comedy, and
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Speaker 1: evil from two thousand phone calls. And the author again
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Speaker 1: is Leland Knolly, And a tip of the cap to
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Speaker 1: Leland for this article. This is an in depth article,
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Speaker 1: very very large article, and he obviously did a lot
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Speaker 1: of work. Two thousand phone calls. That's just it's like
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Speaker 1: a nightmare for me. I can't imagine sitting around making
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Speaker 1: two thousand phone calls. But I'll tell you this is
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Speaker 1: an interesting subject and an interesting way to go about
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Speaker 1: the investigation. Why not get right down to it and
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Speaker 1: call some of the people in this book. And that's
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Speaker 1: exactly what this author did. And a tip of the
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Speaker 1: hat to you, Leland. Good job, buddy. Jeffrey Epstein's Little
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Speaker 1: Black is one of the most cursed documents ever compiled
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Speaker 1: in this miserable, dying country. Yeah, hey, he's not wrong
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Speaker 1: about that, right. Packs Americana ended the day those planes
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Speaker 1: hit the buildings, and it's just gotten worse progressively since then.
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Speaker 1: And I mean, honestly, it looks like a country that's
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Speaker 1: in its dying throes right now, America. It's embarrassing. What's
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Speaker 1: going on in the streets is embarrassing. The way people
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Speaker 1: conduct themselves is embarrassing. It's just an absolute shit show
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Speaker 1: all the way around. And then you add on the
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Speaker 1: Little Black Book, and boy, oh boy, that definitely is
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Speaker 1: one of the worst of the worst documents ever compiled, right,
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Speaker 1: totally ninety seven pages and containing the names, numbers, and
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Speaker 1: addresses of a considerable cross section of the global elite.
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Speaker 1: Epstein's personal contact book first turned up in a courtroom
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Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine after former butler Alfredo Rodriguez
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Speaker 1: tried to sell it to lawyers representing Epstein's revivers for
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Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars. Rodriguez described the book, apparently assembled by
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Speaker 1: Epstein's employees, as the Holy Grail. Yeah. Look, but you
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Speaker 1: know again, I've always wondered, is it real? Was it
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Speaker 1: really Epstein's book anyway? How much of it was Gilaane's.
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Speaker 1: How much did Gilaine have to do with the book?
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Speaker 1: You know, a lot of She was in charge of
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Speaker 1: a lot of the social situations right now. Don't get
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Speaker 1: me wrong, I'm sure Epstein was penning names in that
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Speaker 1: book as well, But I bet you Gilaine had just
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Speaker 1: as much access to it. And you know, she was
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Speaker 1: in charge of the Rolodecks, and let's remember, folks, she
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Speaker 1: had a leadership role. So I'm guessing that we should
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Speaker 1: be calling this the Maxwell Epstein Black Book. Rodriguez described
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Speaker 1: the book, apparently assembled by Epstein's employees, as the Holy Grail.
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Speaker 1: It is annotated with cryptic marginalia stars next to certain entries,
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Speaker 1: arrows pointing towards others, and the names of at least
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Speaker 1: thirty eight people are circled for reasons that aren't totally clear.
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Speaker 1: There are one thousand, five hundred and seventy one names
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Speaker 1: in all, with roughly five thousand phone numbers and thousands
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Speaker 1: of emails and home addresses. There are celebrities, princes and princesses,
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Speaker 1: high profile scientists, artists from all over the world, all along,
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Speaker 1: all alongside some of the world's most powerful oligarchs and
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Speaker 1: political leaders, people like Prince Andrew A. Whod Barack and
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. And the fact that Epstein not only was
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Speaker 1: paling around with these people at so called events, like
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Speaker 1: they said, right, oh, we were just at parties together. Well,
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Speaker 1: you were close enough that your names were in the book, right,
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Speaker 1: So let's not act like you know, the marathon defense
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Speaker 1: is going to work. Here, folks, we have some questions
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Speaker 1: and some answers are probably a good idea, and what
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Speaker 1: the author of the article did here was really good work, right,
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Speaker 1: he said, you know, what, the hell with the nonsense.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go directly to these people. I'm gonna make
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Speaker 1: these phone calls and we'll see what's what. Rodriguez was
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Speaker 1: Epstein's butler at his Palm Beach mansion for many years.
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Speaker 1: He was intimately familiar with his boss's sexual proclivities. He
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Speaker 1: claimed to have seen nude underage girls at Epstein's pool,
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Speaker 1: said that he would routinely wipe down and stow away
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Speaker 1: sex toys in Epstein's room after massages, and alleged that
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Speaker 1: he saw child pornography on Epstein's personal computer. And he's
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Speaker 1: not the only one who has said that, right. We
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Speaker 1: have heard that from multiple people about the child pornography
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Speaker 1: and the Lewde pictures of young children and the artwork
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Speaker 1: and just the whole entire weird ass vibe that a
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Speaker 1: normal person would see and feel and be like, what
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Speaker 1: in the is going on? Here. That's why when all
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Speaker 1: of these people try and have these excuses of AHI,
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Speaker 1: I had no idea what was going on. I really
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Speaker 1: had no idea. You know, it wasn't that weird. I
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Speaker 1: never saw any underage girls. All the other shit wasn't
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Speaker 1: weird enough for you, bro to make you question what
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Speaker 1: in the f was going on in this place? I mean,
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Speaker 1: come on. In twenty and eleven, Rodriguez was sentenced to
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Speaker 1: eighteen months in prison for having tried to sell the
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Speaker 1: book to an undercover agent after failing to notify investigators
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Speaker 1: about its existence. How about that, Huh? Rodriguez got more
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Speaker 1: time in prison, remember, than Jeffrey Epstein for trying to
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Speaker 1: sell this book. It just shows you how skewed everything
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Speaker 1: is when it comes to this Jeffrey Epstein case and
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Speaker 1: the way prosecution has went about going after these people historically. Right,
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Speaker 1: we've seen some changes lately after people just had enough
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Speaker 1: and demanded justice, but previously it was an absolute shit show.
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Speaker 1: How does Rodriguez get eighteen more months, I mean, get
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Speaker 1: eighteen months when Epstein only gets thirteen. It's just it
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Speaker 1: just shows you the department of just us and the
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Speaker 1: failure of those who are part of the institution. It
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Speaker 1: just shows you how much their failure affects everything. Their
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Speaker 1: inability to effectively manage the Justice Department has such long
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Speaker 1: ranging consequences. Rodriguez said in court that the book was
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Speaker 1: insurance against Epstein, who wanted him to disappear. Rodriguez died
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Speaker 1: of mesothelioma shortly after serving his sentence. The public first
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Speaker 1: became aware of the book in twenty fifteen when the
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Speaker 1: now defunct website Gawker published a version of Rodriguez's copy,
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Speaker 1: revealing for the first time just how ludicrously connected Epstein
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Speaker 1: was to the people who run the world. And that's
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Speaker 1: not even hyperbole, right by the author, That's not even hyperbole.
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Speaker 1: These are the people who run the world. We've been
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Speaker 1: through them a million times. Here, all of the bankers,
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Speaker 1: all of the power players and politics, all of these
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Speaker 1: people combined are the people that literally run the world.
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Speaker 1: They make the laws, they give out, the loans, they decide,
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Speaker 1: They decide who is going to qualify for a house
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Speaker 1: or for a car. Right, They're the ones that are
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Speaker 1: in charge of all of that. These are the people
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Speaker 1: that are pulling all of the strings. These are the
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Speaker 1: people that are in charge Gawker's file showed only names attached.
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Speaker 1: Phone numbers and emails were blacked out. Shortly before Epstein's
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Speaker 1: mysterious death in August twenty nineteen in his cell at
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Speaker 1: the Manhattan Correctional FACI, an unredacted version of the book
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Speaker 1: popped up on some dark corners of the Internet with
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Speaker 1: almost every phone number, email, and home address entirely visible.
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Speaker 1: And I got my hands on a copy. So again,
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Speaker 1: this is real investigative work, right, This is the sort
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Speaker 1: of work that investigators and journalists should be doing, especially
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Speaker 1: in a case like this, and we have not seen
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Speaker 1: enough of it. Like I've said from the beginning, I
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Speaker 1: am I'm not a journalist like this gentleman here, right,
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Speaker 1: I'm certainly not working for one of these outlets or
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Speaker 1: anything like that. But these guys who are, who are
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Speaker 1: have have these resources behind them, these actual these journalists,
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Speaker 1: they have completely abandoned this story for the most part.
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Speaker 1: You've have very few real investigative journalists with resources digging
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Speaker 1: in and it's it's pretty uh, it's pretty disgusting, honestly
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Speaker 1: to see some of the garbage that they focus on
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Speaker 1: and write about, as opposed to some of the hard
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Speaker 1: hitting situations that really affect all of our lives. It's
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Speaker 1: pretty pathetic to see what the twenty four hour news
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Speaker 1: cycle brings us on a daily basis. And then you
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Speaker 1: have people like this over here at Mother Jones who
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Speaker 1: are doing great work. And do you think he's going
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Speaker 1: to be on any of these shows? Do you think
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Speaker 1: Rachel Maddow's going to have him on, or Tucker Carlson
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Speaker 1: or no. I'm sure they won't, but they should. Epstein's
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Speaker 1: Little Black Book isn't little at all. It's gargantuan. It's
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Speaker 1: defining feature is its size and thoroughness, and there are
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Speaker 1: just as many boring numbers as exciting ones. For every
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Speaker 1: Jordanian princess, there are three reflexologists from Boca. The listings
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Speaker 1: are at times preposterously detailed, often containing additional names and
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Speaker 1: numbers for people's emergency contacts, their parents, their civil their friends,
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Speaker 1: even their children, all alongside hundreds of car phones, yacht phones,
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Speaker 1: guesthouses and private office lines. Does that sound like somebody
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Speaker 1: that you just ran into? If he has your yacht
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Speaker 1: phone number, your your car phone number, your house phone number,
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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, really that sounds like somebody who's
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Speaker 1: just an acquaintance, somebody you ran into at the bar.
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Speaker 1: I mean, come on, give me a break. This is
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Speaker 1: obviously somebody that all of these people who had five, six,
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Speaker 1: seven numbers in this book, they all knew Jeffrey Epstein,
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Speaker 1: and if they try and say any different, they're lying.
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Speaker 1: Some individuals have dozens of numbers and addresses addresses listed,
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Speaker 1: while others just list just a single number and a
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Speaker 1: first name. Epstein collected people, and if you ever had
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Speaker 1: any interaction with him or Geeland Maxwell, his one time
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Speaker 1: girlfriend and co conspirator, you more than likely ended up
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Speaker 1: in this book. And then several years later, well you
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Speaker 1: received a call from me. I made close to two
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Speaker 1: thousand phone calls total. I spoke to billionaires, CEOs, bankers, models, celebrities, scientists,
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Speaker 1: A Kennedy, and some of Epstein's closest friends and confidants.
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Speaker 1: That's pretty crazy. Just cold calling all of these people
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Speaker 1: and having some of them talk to you is even
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Speaker 1: more batshit crazy. I think it's just a very creative
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Speaker 1: way to go about it, and Leland should definitely get
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Speaker 1: some kudos here. It's a very creative way to go
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Speaker 1: about your investigation. Sir, I sat on my couch and
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Speaker 1: phoned up Royalty, spoke to ambassadors, irritated a senior advisor
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Speaker 1: at Blackstone quality work f Blackstone and the rest of
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Speaker 1: the party running around there, and left squeaky voicemails for
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Speaker 1: what must constitute a considerable percentage of the world oligarchy times.
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Speaker 1: The book felt like a dark palanteer, giving me glimpses
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Speaker 1: of dreadful, haunted dimensions that my soft, gentle animal being
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Speaker 1: was never supposed to encounter. Yeah. Look, man, when you
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Speaker 1: start delving into the world of Jeffrey Epstein and you
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Speaker 1: start swimming around in the muck where he resided, it
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Speaker 1: is not a comfortable place to be. It's a very
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Speaker 1: dark and disgusting place filled with some really devious, dangerous, sick,
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Speaker 1: sick individuals. So I get it. I know what you're
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Speaker 1: talking about. Seeing at close range. The seeing at close range,
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Speaker 1: the mundanity of Epstein and his fellow elites, how simple
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Speaker 1: and childish they could be, was a sickening experience of
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Speaker 1: its own. The worst call, by far was with a
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Speaker 1: woman who told me she'd been groped by Epstein, an
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Speaker 1: incident she said she didn't report at the time at
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Speaker 1: a fear of retribution from Epstein. I mean, how many
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Speaker 1: times have we heard that story? Right? How many times
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Speaker 1: have we heard that there would be retribution if you
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Speaker 1: talked or if you snitched on Epstein or you told
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Speaker 1: the authorities about what was going on. And when he
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Speaker 1: was around so many powerful people and he counted so
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Speaker 1: many powerful people as his friends and his allies. Well,
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Speaker 1: it's one of those things where you believe him when
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Speaker 1: he lays that threat. Right. I have been aggressively counseled
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Speaker 1: to remind the readers of Mother Jones that an appearance
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Speaker 1: in the address Book is not evidence of any crime,
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Speaker 1: or of complicity in any crime, or of knowledge of
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Speaker 1: any crime. Yeah, well that's for sure, right, no doubt
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Speaker 1: about it. But still the question remains, why are you
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Speaker 1: in the book? Most of these people won't even answer
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Speaker 1: that simple question, and that's why it has become an issue.
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Speaker 1: If you're going to avoid it, Well, this is something
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Speaker 1: that's in the public sphere. Now people know about it.
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Speaker 1: You can't just make bretend that you're not in this book.
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Speaker 1: You can't make bretend that you didn't have a relationship
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Speaker 1: with Jeffrey Epstein in some capacity. You have to explain
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Speaker 1: your public figures that's part of the deal. They weren't
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Speaker 1: all elites, thankfully. Sometimes I would have delightful conversations with
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Speaker 1: normal people who had cleaned a car or given Epstein
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Speaker 1: a facial and only shared my distaste for Epstein and
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Speaker 1: this circle. Yeah, look again, there are definitely going to
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Speaker 1: be a lot of people like that. When you're a
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Speaker 1: rich billionaire or one hundred millionaire or whatever you want
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Speaker 1: to call them, you're around a lot of people as
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Speaker 1: far as employees, people that are going to work for you,
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Speaker 1: and people that might not have an intimate relationship with you,
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Speaker 1: meaning people that aren't at the mansions, people that aren't
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Speaker 1: involved in procuring girls for you. You know, there's going
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Speaker 1: to be plumbers, etc. Etc. Right. Sometimes I would call
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Speaker 1: number that had changed hands at some point since the
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Speaker 1: book was compiled, and instead of reaching the governor or
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Speaker 1: fashion designer I was looking for, I would end up
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Speaker 1: with just a normal bloke on the line, some poor
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Speaker 1: recipient of a torrent of wrong number phone calls of
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Speaker 1: the worst variety imaginable. Their fate was a twisted inversion
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Speaker 1: of my own. The oligarchy wouldn't stop calling them. That's crazy.
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Speaker 1: I can't even imagine imagine having one of these phone
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Speaker 1: numbers of one of these people who are in this book,
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Speaker 1: and you know they have a new number or whatever,
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Speaker 1: and you get the phone number in the rotation. How
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Speaker 1: horrible would that be? Some highlights and low lights from
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Speaker 1: my tour of Jeffrey Epstein's Little Black Book. Remember, an
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Speaker 1: appearance in the address book is not evidence of any crime,
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Speaker 1: or of complicity in any crime, or of knowledge of
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Speaker 1: any crime. Yeah, but there's still a lot of questions
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Speaker 1: that need to be asked. Doug Band, log time advisor
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Speaker 1: to Bill Clinton, called the number listed as his home number,
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Speaker 1: which wound up being his childhood home. Spoke to his
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Speaker 1: dad for five minutes. Seemed like a decent guy. Doug
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Speaker 1: hasn't lived here for thirty years, all right, take care man.
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Speaker 1: So he called Doug Band and it was the guy's
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Speaker 1: home number, which was where the dude grew up. You imagine,
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein has your parents' home number in his Black Book.
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Speaker 1: What in the ever, liven f Why would he have
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Speaker 1: that phone number? So many questions. Jimmy Kane, a former
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Speaker 1: CEO of bear Stearns, wife, answered the phone when asked
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Speaker 1: about Epstein and Kaine's relationship. She said, yes, they were friends,
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Speaker 1: but we have no comment. Edward Razzik, former chief marketing
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Speaker 1: officer for L Brands. I can't talk about any of that.
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Speaker 1: Our business has requested no interviews. And remember Razik was
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Speaker 1: also on the line by fostering a bad work environment
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Speaker 1: for the girls a Victoria's secret. Those were the allegations,
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Speaker 1: sexual harassment, etcetera, etcetera. Rupert Murdoch, executive chairman of News Corp.
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Speaker 1: His assistant gave me Hope Hicks' cell phone number after
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Speaker 1: I asked for it. Hicks has not returned any of
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Speaker 1: my calls. Well that's a chakra. I'm really shocked that
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Speaker 1: Hope Hicks hasn't recalled, has returned any calls from you.
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Speaker 1: I mean, she's these people, all of these people are
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Speaker 1: just unbelievable folks. I honestly don't even know what to
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Speaker 1: say about half of them. Princess Furyal, Jordanian philanthropist, called
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Speaker 1: her home number. Dorman answered, I asked for a missed
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Speaker 1: free y'all, completely butchering the pronunciation. Dorman was confused, so
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Speaker 1: I said princess, and he immediately told me where she
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Speaker 1: was and who she was with. Peter Roth, chairman and
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Speaker 1: CEO of Warner Brothers. No, that's not a chakra. I
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Speaker 1: wonder how often mister Roth was hanging out with old
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Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein listed cell number went to his son's phone. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I don't really want to talk about any of this.
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Speaker 1: His son said, I don't want to be anywhere near
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Speaker 1: this whole Jeffrey Epstein thing. And that's what it's all about, right.
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Speaker 1: They don't want to be near it, even if they
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Speaker 1: had a relationship with Epstein. They don't want to be
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Speaker 1: near it, folks. They'd rather back away. They'd rather just
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Speaker 1: you know, like I always say, the marathon approach. And
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Speaker 1: now as it's becoming more serious, it's turning into a sprint.
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Speaker 1: But these people who don't want to talk about it,
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Speaker 1: come on now, now I understand here this went to
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Speaker 1: his kid's son, right, I mean to his son's phone.
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Speaker 1: So I don't expect his son to answer for his father.
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Speaker 1: But some of these other people that you know, don't
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Speaker 1: want to talk about it and they want to just
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Speaker 1: avoid it. That's not going to occur. The cat is
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Speaker 1: now out of the bag. Jamie Grant, Global Chairman of
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Speaker 1: Investment Pinking JP Morgan, I wonder how many times has
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Speaker 1: mister Grant been involved with some of the stuff we
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Speaker 1: talk about in the Fins and Files. I'm guessing a lot.
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Speaker 1: As you all know, I think most of these bankers
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Speaker 1: at this level, the Jamie Grant level bankers, are up
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Speaker 1: to no good. So it would not shock me one
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Speaker 1: bit if mister Grant wasn't involved in all of that
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Speaker 1: sort of nonsense as well. Listed cell number also went
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Speaker 1: to his son, who told me his dad didn't know
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Speaker 1: Epstein or gieland Maxwell. It's sort of like the New
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Speaker 1: York City business world. I would say. Jeffrey Epstein is
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Speaker 1: like a couple people removed from my dad. Oh so
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Speaker 1: now we're doing seven the seven degrees of separation of
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Speaker 1: Kevin Bacon. Huh yeah. Look, my dad's friends, friend's uncle
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Speaker 1: cousin knows Jeffrey Epstein. That's why my dad was in
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Speaker 1: the book. Uh what Robert Meister, former chairman of Aon
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Speaker 1: Insurance and the man who introduced Epstein to Leslie Wexner,
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Speaker 1: he's a sick Oh bye bye. So that's what Robert
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Speaker 1: meister Meister said. Huh oh okay, that was very informative.
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Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, Sir, Kerry Kennedy, president of RFK Human Rights,
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Speaker 1: listed as an emergency contact for Robert F. Kennedy Junior
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Speaker 1: and Mary Kennedy, and seemed very taken aback that I
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Speaker 1: had forgotten Bobby was dead. I asked where he was. Yikes, yikes, yikes, yikes.
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Speaker 1: I then asked her about Mary Kennedy, who I learned
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Speaker 1: is also dead. Big yikes all around on this one.
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Speaker 1: She told me she used to sell photographs to Mother
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Speaker 1: Jones in her younger days. Well, okay, that was informative,
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Speaker 1: and I'm sure that he had a bunch of phone
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Speaker 1: calls like that, right, calling people and they're like, what
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Speaker 1: is this even about? And then it probably veered off
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Speaker 1: into other directions when he realized that it was either
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Speaker 1: a number of somebody who was no longer related to
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein, meaning nobody that has a relationship with him
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Speaker 1: or whatever have you, it would veer off into a
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Speaker 1: different direction. Meryl Tish, former Chancellor of the New York
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Speaker 1: State Board of Regents and heir to the Loews Corporation, me, Hey,
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Speaker 1: I'm doing a story on Jeffrey Epstein. I was wondering
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Speaker 1: if you ever met the guy or interacted with him. Tish,
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Speaker 1: I don't know who you are. How did you get
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Speaker 1: my number? Me? Well, I got it from Epstein's contact book, Tish,
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Speaker 1: from who me? Jeffrey Epstein's contact book? Tish, No, this
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Speaker 1: is ridiculous. Who are you? What's your name? Me? My
21:35
Speaker 1: name's Leland. I'm doing a story for a magazine, Tish.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, you have to be kidding me. No,
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Speaker 1: I can't help you out, Thank God, I mean really, me, Me,
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Speaker 1: Merrily and Jimmy were listed with an address and this number.
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Speaker 1: You're Tish, right with the c. There's a David Tish
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Speaker 1: listed as well. Don't know if you're related, Tish. Huh, goodbye?
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Speaker 1: Oh man, that's pretty that's a good one there. That
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Speaker 1: lady seemed to be mortified that she was involved with
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein or that her name was found in that
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Speaker 1: black book. I can only imagine. I wonder what her
22:15
Speaker 1: voice sounded like on the conversation, not just reading the words,
22:18
Speaker 1: but I wonder what the what she sounded like. Joel
22:23
Speaker 1: pashcal board member of the Palm Beach Police and Fire Foundation.
22:27
Speaker 1: You're really pathetic, you know that. Yeah? Man, people keep
22:31
Speaker 1: calling me up asking for Muffy and I'm like, you know,
22:34
Speaker 1: I'm just always polite man. That's Elijah Hutch, twenty two
22:38
Speaker 1: year old aspiring music producer who lives in Flatbush in Brooklyn.
22:43
Speaker 1: He has the old cell number for Muffy Potter, wife
22:47
Speaker 1: of world famous plastic surgeon Cheryl Aston and the fourth
22:51
Speaker 1: greatest socialite in history according to Town and Country magazine.
22:55
Speaker 1: The fact that we have a list of the quote
22:58
Speaker 1: unquote greatest socialites in his What sort of moronic nonsense
23:04
Speaker 1: is that they get a list socialites get a list
23:07
Speaker 1: of who the greatest socialites in history are? I have
23:09
Speaker 1: an idea. How about your all idiots? Okay, the whole
23:14
Speaker 1: lot of you are idiots. They'll text me about some
23:23
Speaker 1: dinner I went to, or how it was great seeing
23:26
Speaker 1: me with so and so, and I'm always just respectful man,
23:29
Speaker 1: and just let them know. Hey, man, I think Muffy
23:31
Speaker 1: gave you the wrong number. Eli had no idea who
23:34
Speaker 1: Muffy was, or Epstein for that matter, and I almost
23:38
Speaker 1: didn't want to explain it to him, but I did.
23:41
Speaker 1: The child sex ring, the princes, the presidents, the suicide,
23:45
Speaker 1: the Black Book everything. Out of all the people I
23:48
Speaker 1: spoke to, Eli had by far the most kagin cogent
23:53
Speaker 1: analysis of the situation. Damn man, this is all sounding
23:57
Speaker 1: so strange. Find Eli Hutch on SoundCloud here. Let the
24:01
Speaker 1: haunting lyrics of go Away give you strength as they
24:05
Speaker 1: did me. Awake at my desk at four am so
24:08
Speaker 1: I could call every pedophile in London. You're gonna need
24:11
Speaker 1: more coffee, bro. Look, in fact, I should send you
24:15
Speaker 1: a six pack of bangs because you're gonna need those.
24:18
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna need the energy drinks. Step it up,
24:20
Speaker 1: You're gonna need more. To call every pedophile in London's
24:23
Speaker 1: gonna take you quite some time, My friend. What a
24:28
Speaker 1: world any phone can reach any other. It's almost unbelievable
24:32
Speaker 1: what a string of seven to twelve numbers can get you.
24:35
Speaker 1: All I did for weeks was sit on my couch,
24:38
Speaker 1: feel like dog shit, flip through this haunted book and
24:42
Speaker 1: call people up one by one in between bouts of
24:44
Speaker 1: stress diarrhea. That's it. You just type the numbers in
24:48
Speaker 1: and sometimes you get a ring, and sometimes a person
24:52
Speaker 1: picks up. Remember, well, you know what I always say
24:55
Speaker 1: about being stuck in the house for six months, for
24:58
Speaker 1: six months, being locked down, and shit, you really think
25:00
Speaker 1: that this guy would have went through this if he
25:02
Speaker 1: wasn't locked in his house, probably not. So again, the
25:06
Speaker 1: quarantine has created some good content, and it's really made
25:09
Speaker 1: people become pretty damn creative. The fuzz. Maybe I made
25:16
Speaker 1: the first call from a coffee shop in Los Angeles Koreatown,
25:20
Speaker 1: the day after Epstein's suspicious suicide in his cell at
25:23
Speaker 1: Manhattan's Metropolitan Correctional Center while awaiting trial. A convenient turn
25:28
Speaker 1: of events for the rich and famous people who would
25:30
Speaker 1: now avoid exposure in court. Well, all right, guess he
25:35
Speaker 1: started before the quarantine. So this guy actually has a
25:38
Speaker 1: lot of pizazz, right, that's a lot of focus. Two
25:42
Speaker 1: thousand phone calls, calling all of these people and asking them,
25:46
Speaker 1: probably going through the same questions with all of them.
25:49
Speaker 1: Talk about repetitive and you know what, it turned into
25:53
Speaker 1: a fantastic story, And that a lot of work. Right
25:58
Speaker 1: the day after Epstein committed suicide, he made the first
26:01
Speaker 1: phone call. So he's been working on this for a
26:03
Speaker 1: lot longer than the quarantine, So props. The death was
26:11
Speaker 1: a national scandal. Followers of the Epstein case, I'm including
26:15
Speaker 1: myself here, reacted to his death with a burst of
26:18
Speaker 1: paranoia and anger. Conspiracizing was rampant. I had come across
26:23
Speaker 1: the screenshot of an unredacted section of the Black Book
26:26
Speaker 1: and determined to track down its source. I decided to
26:30
Speaker 1: check the most awful place on the Internet, a chan,
26:33
Speaker 1: where I was quickly rewarded for my intuition, and unredacted
26:37
Speaker 1: pdf of the entire book had been posted just a
26:40
Speaker 1: few hours earlier. About twelve second later, twelve seconds later,
26:45
Speaker 1: I was dialing Milania Trump's personal cell phone voicemail. Then
26:49
Speaker 1: I sent a text to David Copperfield, David, we need
26:53
Speaker 1: to talk. It's about Jeffrey. I love it. I love it,
26:57
Speaker 1: I love it. Imagine sending that sort of text message
27:00
Speaker 1: to David Copperfield. Copperfield's reaction, he must have been like,
27:03
Speaker 1: who is this? What do you mean? We need to
27:05
Speaker 1: talk about Jeffrey? Who in the hell is this? God
27:09
Speaker 1: to be a roach in the rushes. When these idiots
27:12
Speaker 1: got these these phone calls or these text messages, it
27:16
Speaker 1: must have been they must have been called so off guard.
27:20
Speaker 1: I tried a couple more people, none of whom picked up,
27:23
Speaker 1: whereupon I was interrupted by a call from a restricted number.
27:27
Speaker 1: The guy on the line said he was with the FBI.
27:30
Speaker 1: He said there were reports of fraudulent phone calls being
27:33
Speaker 1: made on this line, which I immediately understood as bullshit. I
27:37
Speaker 1: wasn't committing any phone crime or trying to trick someone
27:40
Speaker 1: into doing so. I don't know about fraudulent, but I
27:43
Speaker 1: have been. But I have a feeling I know what
27:45
Speaker 1: you're talking about, I said, undoubtedly, sounding cool, relaxed, and unbothered.
27:50
Speaker 1: He then said, I have a real call coming in
27:53
Speaker 1: to what sounded like someone else in the room, his
27:55
Speaker 1: voice quiet in the way of someone who has just
27:58
Speaker 1: pulled the phone off of his face to look at it.
28:01
Speaker 1: He hung up and never called again. As far as
28:04
Speaker 1: I know, whether the guy was FBI or private security
28:08
Speaker 1: goon posing as a FED. The call was an important development.
28:12
Speaker 1: It told me that the book I was dealing with
28:14
Speaker 1: and the numbers it contained were genuine. Every cell phone number,
28:18
Speaker 1: every yacht line, every private office number, they were all real,
28:23
Speaker 1: and every one of them was about to get a
28:25
Speaker 1: call from me, the art collecting scientists. You're so full
28:30
Speaker 1: of shit. The next day I began calling in mass
28:34
Speaker 1: by now in an effort to spare my girlfriend any
28:37
Speaker 1: psychic harm. I was operating from the Los Angeles Central Library.
28:41
Speaker 1: First from a foyer, my voice bouncing off the high
28:44
Speaker 1: marble ceilings with embarrassing levels of clarity and volume, and
28:48
Speaker 1: then from a corner of the library's art gallery, definitely
28:51
Speaker 1: maneuvering around any guests when necessary. That day had been terrible,
28:56
Speaker 1: full of wrong and disconnected numbers, and I was close
28:59
Speaker 1: to the entire project out of both fear and hopelessness
29:03
Speaker 1: when I placed what was maybe my fiftieth phone call
29:06
Speaker 1: to Stuart Pivar, who answered the phone and told me
29:10
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein was my best pal for decades. So to
29:14
Speaker 1: go back to what he was talking about here with
29:18
Speaker 1: the FBI supposedly calling him, I don't doubt it. Right,
29:21
Speaker 1: we heard what happened with Tara Paul Mary in the
29:24
Speaker 1: Broken podcast about how the FBI talked to the talk
29:29
Speaker 1: to It slips my mind right now. One of the
29:34
Speaker 1: butlers or whoever the gentleman was that they talked to
29:37
Speaker 1: Unbroken Juana Lessi. So how the FBI had talked to
29:41
Speaker 1: him previously, and now how the FBI or security goons
29:47
Speaker 1: called this guy and tried to tell him that he
29:49
Speaker 1: was making fraudulent phone calls. And that's just the way
29:52
Speaker 1: they conduct themselves. Right. They love to try and intimidate,
29:56
Speaker 1: They love to try and put the put fear into people.
30:00
Speaker 1: But you know what, sometimes you just have to put
30:03
Speaker 1: that to the side when you're working on a story
30:06
Speaker 1: as a journalist and you just have to keep charging hard.
30:08
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just when you cover stories like this,
30:13
Speaker 1: there is bound to be some sketchy moments. Pavar, ninety
30:19
Speaker 1: years old, is an art collector, scientist, and a founder,
30:23
Speaker 1: alongside Andy Warhol, of the New York Academy of Art.
30:28
Speaker 1: How beautiful is that? Huh? We all know about the
30:30
Speaker 1: New York Academy of Art and Eileen Guggenheim and all
30:33
Speaker 1: of the nonsensical bs that occurred there, don't we. He
30:38
Speaker 1: ended up speaking with me for over an hour about
30:40
Speaker 1: his very, very sick friend, in a conversation we wound
30:44
Speaker 1: up publishing in its entirety. Stewart told me over and
30:47
Speaker 1: over again that Epstein suffered from satrasisists, which he described
30:53
Speaker 1: as the male version of nymphomania, and that he used
30:56
Speaker 1: his money and power to make an industry out of
30:59
Speaker 1: having sex with underage girls. Sounds to me like Sturet
31:02
Speaker 1: Pivar is making this stuff up or going on you
31:07
Speaker 1: know what he thinks maybe because I don't think that
31:13
Speaker 1: Epstein was, you know, making an industry out of it.
31:17
Speaker 1: I think there was a Now you know what, maybe
31:21
Speaker 1: that is the right way to say it, making an
31:23
Speaker 1: industry out of it. Yeah, all right, I think we
31:25
Speaker 1: could go with that. This apparently entailed Epstein having sex
31:29
Speaker 1: with three girls a day and hundreds and hundreds in total.
31:33
Speaker 1: He said he never knew Epstein was having sex with
31:35
Speaker 1: children until Maria Farmer, a student at the academy and
31:39
Speaker 1: an acquaintance of Pivar, had told him she had been
31:42
Speaker 1: assaulted and held hostage by Epstein. He also claimed that
31:46
Speaker 1: Epstein had never invited him to what he called the
31:48
Speaker 1: Isle of Babes, a reference to Epstein's private island where
31:52
Speaker 1: much of the child sex trafficking allegedly occurred. Yeah, it
31:58
Speaker 1: was a elite company, right, Only certain people that Jeffrey
32:02
Speaker 1: Epstein was bringing to that island. Only some very select
32:06
Speaker 1: folks were invited to that island. People that Epstein knew
32:10
Speaker 1: had the same proclivities as him would be my guests.
32:15
Speaker 1: Pavar said he was in mourning for Epstein, who had
32:18
Speaker 1: died just two days before we spoke by turns Moreau's
32:22
Speaker 1: defeated and indignant veering between florid ruminations about teenage sexuality
32:28
Speaker 1: and bitter denunciations of me and my life choices. He
32:32
Speaker 1: unloaded his thoughts and feelings about Maxwell and Leslie Wexner,
32:36
Speaker 1: Epstein's billionaire patron, as well as about nature of perversion, criminality,
32:43
Speaker 1: perhaps even life itself. On pathology, what's a pervert? There
32:48
Speaker 1: are all kinds of behavioristic aberrations, obviously, including mass murderers.
32:54
Speaker 1: You don't call mass murderers perverts, do you? Uh what? No?
32:58
Speaker 1: We call the mass murderers be because they're killing people, Okay.
33:02
Speaker 1: Perverts are people that do the things that your best
33:04
Speaker 1: friend Jeffrey Epstein did. Really, I was in mourning for
33:10
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein, sort of sick bastards in mourning for Jeffrey
33:13
Speaker 1: Epstein on nature and civilization, and so all kinds of
33:19
Speaker 1: rules get made and nature is not allowed to take
33:21
Speaker 1: its course on account of civilization. Jeffrey broke those rules
33:25
Speaker 1: big time. But what he was pursuing was kind of
33:28
Speaker 1: I suppose sexual urges, which would why am I telling
33:31
Speaker 1: you this stuff? Leave me alone? Go away? So this
33:35
Speaker 1: ninety year old man goes on this rant, right, starts
33:39
Speaker 1: prattling all this shit off to the author here, and
33:43
Speaker 1: then at the end decides, why am I telling you
33:46
Speaker 1: all of this? Leave me alone, go away. I wonder
33:49
Speaker 1: if he ended it by get off of my lawn.
33:53
Speaker 1: On Epstein accuser Virginia Roberts in Epstein's child sex ring,
33:57
Speaker 1: anyone who did one thing. Let us say that some
34:00
Speaker 1: sixteen year old trollop who would come to his house
34:03
Speaker 1: time after time after time and then afterwards bitch about it.
34:07
Speaker 1: Why no one would pay attention except Jeffrey made an
34:10
Speaker 1: industry out of it. So this this Stewart Pavar guys
34:13
Speaker 1: obviously another sick bastard, right, another one of these you know,
34:19
Speaker 1: art world dealer, sick dudes. We've talked about him previously
34:24
Speaker 1: when we were talking about the Academy, and just when
34:28
Speaker 1: you read the things that they would say about Jeffrey Epstein,
34:32
Speaker 1: or how they supported Jeffrey Epstein, or how they called
34:35
Speaker 1: one of these girls a trollop, you called Virginia a trollop.
34:39
Speaker 1: It's just, you know, the the nature of these sick bastards,
34:43
Speaker 1: the nature of these fellow travelers on nature and civilization
34:49
Speaker 1: continued the business of sexual attraction. The attraction of males
34:53
Speaker 1: and females in its natural state is not the same
34:56
Speaker 1: as what happens when civilization puts up all kinds of
34:59
Speaker 1: ru because sexual attraction starts at a very very young age.
35:03
Speaker 1: When I was fourteen, I had to deal with a
35:06
Speaker 1: girl who was only thirteen, and somehow I remember it
35:09
Speaker 1: was at summer camp, and I stopped having to do
35:12
Speaker 1: with her because of the tremendous age gap on me
35:16
Speaker 1: and my life choices. You're so full of shit. It's terrible.
35:19
Speaker 1: You should not be writing about this. You are not qualified.
35:23
Speaker 1: This guy's obviously suffering from some form of dementia or something,
35:28
Speaker 1: mister Pavar, And sexual attraction starts at a very very
35:33
Speaker 1: young age. So what is a thirteen year old being
35:36
Speaker 1: attracted to a fourteen year old have to do with
35:39
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein raping little girls on himself and his life choices?
35:46
Speaker 1: Why did I talk to you? I'm a dead fish
35:49
Speaker 1: and you're going to ruin me. Luckily, I don't know
35:51
Speaker 1: anybody who reads The Mother Jones anymore. I can't believe
35:55
Speaker 1: it still existed. This guy's throwing all kinds of smoke
35:58
Speaker 1: at the author huh fire, And you gotta have some
36:02
Speaker 1: set of balls to call Jeffrey Epstein your best friend
36:05
Speaker 1: and then try to bring the smoke to this author
36:10
Speaker 1: on my having asked him to speak into yapping pointlessly.
36:16
Speaker 1: You asked me to sow to speak into yapping pointlessly
36:19
Speaker 1: because I have nothing else to do for the moment,
36:21
Speaker 1: and I'm relying on you to understand what I say.
36:24
Speaker 1: If you misquote me or anything like that, I will
36:27
Speaker 1: sue your magazine until the end of the earth. Tell
36:30
Speaker 1: me your name again so I can start writing a
36:32
Speaker 1: complaint to sue you. Oh yeah, he's gonna probably call
36:36
Speaker 1: Alan Dershowitz right away. He's calling mister underpants himself. Alan,
36:42
Speaker 1: I gotta sue mother Jones. Can you help me out.
36:47
Speaker 1: That's the sort of people we're dealing with here. This
36:49
Speaker 1: guy who's calling Jeffrey Epstein his best friend is saying
36:52
Speaker 1: he's going to sue a journalist for calling him and
36:56
Speaker 1: asking about some context of their relationship. You don't have
37:02
Speaker 1: that ability anymore. Okay, that's done. Somewhere in all this,
37:10
Speaker 1: Pavar managed to tell me the entire backstory of his
37:12
Speaker 1: decades friendship with Epstein. Pavar had met Epstein through the
37:17
Speaker 1: New York Academy of Art, where Epstein was a board member.
37:20
Speaker 1: It was at an NYAA function where he met a
37:24
Speaker 1: young Maria Farmer, who, along with her younger sister, would
37:27
Speaker 1: become one of Epstein's earliest accusers. Farmer, a painter, was
37:32
Speaker 1: at the Wexner mansion at Epstein's invitation for what she
37:36
Speaker 1: believed was an art residency, when she alleges Epstein and
37:40
Speaker 1: Maxwell sexually assaulted her and held her hostage for twelve
37:43
Speaker 1: hours with the aid of Wexner's massive security team. After
37:48
Speaker 1: the ordeal, for Farmer soon learned that her younger sister
37:52
Speaker 1: had also been assaulted by Epstein and Maxwell during a
37:55
Speaker 1: similar artist residency. Pavar told me he ran into Farmer
37:59
Speaker 1: at a fleamak where she told him this bizarre story,
38:02
Speaker 1: and I realized, oh my god, something was happening after
38:05
Speaker 1: years and years, which he Epstein didn't tell me. So
38:09
Speaker 1: Maria not only told the FBI, she told Pavar here,
38:13
Speaker 1: and he just went on record saying that So for
38:18
Speaker 1: all the detractors who liked to run their fat, stupid,
38:21
Speaker 1: idiot mouths, well there you go, another witness. Huh, another
38:25
Speaker 1: person to corroborate it. My hour long conversation with Pavar
38:31
Speaker 1: was genuinely illuminating. Pavar spoke about Epstein in the exact
38:35
Speaker 1: way many of his friends and colleagues would speak about
38:38
Speaker 1: him to me in the coming weeks, reverence mixed with
38:42
Speaker 1: an acknowledgment of Epstein's essential dising disingenuousness. Much has been
38:48
Speaker 1: made in the press of Epstein's intelligence, mostly due to
38:51
Speaker 1: his vast wealth, the glowing adoration of his elite peers,
38:56
Speaker 1: and the long roster of high profile scientists and thinkers
39:00
Speaker 1: with whom he surrounded himself. Pavar was the first person
39:04
Speaker 1: appeal back the curtain of Epstein's reputation with intimate, first
39:08
Speaker 1: hand knowledge of the man himself, and to counter the
39:12
Speaker 1: prevailing media narrative at the time. Pavar had attended a
39:16
Speaker 1: few of the now widely publicized intellectual summits at Epstein's
39:20
Speaker 1: house in New York. And we've we talked about all
39:23
Speaker 1: of those and the power brokers that they brought in,
39:26
Speaker 1: you know, the Edge Conference, and John Brockman and all
39:31
Speaker 1: of the power players that were brought into Epstein's orbit
39:34
Speaker 1: for these sorts of conferences. Epstein hosted dinner parties for
39:43
Speaker 1: world famous scientists and thinkers from around the globe, people
39:47
Speaker 1: like Stephen Pinker, Stephen J. Gould, Martin Noak, Lawrence Krause,
39:51
Speaker 1: and Marvin Minsky. Jeffrey didn't know anything about science, Pavar said.
39:56
Speaker 1: He would say, oh, what is gravity, which of course
39:59
Speaker 1: is an un answerable thing to present at a dinner
40:02
Speaker 1: to a bunch of scientists. And because he was Jeffrey,
40:05
Speaker 1: why they would and as the founder of the feast,
40:08
Speaker 1: they would listen to him and try to give answers.
40:11
Speaker 1: He was attempting, somehow, in his ignorant and scientifically naive state,
40:15
Speaker 1: to do something scientifically important. He had no compunctions about
40:20
Speaker 1: inviting people, and since he had money, they would listen. Yeah.
40:24
Speaker 1: I think it was more about them, more than just
40:26
Speaker 1: the money though too right, he was also offering them
40:29
Speaker 1: other things, like the girls that he was sex trafficking.
40:33
Speaker 1: And we've talked at length about these nerdy ass scientists.
40:37
Speaker 1: You know that they weren't running around with the hot
40:40
Speaker 1: girls when they were growing up or even when they
40:42
Speaker 1: were in college. Just take a look at people like
40:44
Speaker 1: Jeff Bezos even and Elon Musk before they got all
40:48
Speaker 1: their money and all the work done on themselves. You
40:50
Speaker 1: really think they were running around with you know, hot girls.
40:53
Speaker 1: Hell no, and these scientists certainly aren't. So when Jeffrey
40:57
Speaker 1: Epstein would have that island available and out of all
41:00
Speaker 1: these traffic girls, that would just be the icing on
41:03
Speaker 1: top of the cake. Right. Epstein used his money and
41:09
Speaker 1: influence to brand himself as an avant garde intellect, a
41:13
Speaker 1: sparkling auto autocrat dedicated to the pursuit of knowledge on
41:19
Speaker 1: the far out edge of human perception. In large part,
41:23
Speaker 1: it worked extraordinarily well. You could build mountains out of
41:27
Speaker 1: the bizarre, nebulous claims of esoteric knowledge ascribed to Epstein.
41:32
Speaker 1: He was good at puzzles and finding things out. He
41:35
Speaker 1: could look at an organization and see what was wrong,
41:38
Speaker 1: one friend told me. Wexner, when asked by Vanity Fair
41:42
Speaker 1: about his relationship with Epstein, said that he was good
41:44
Speaker 1: at seeing patterns in politics and financial markets. Epstein's mind
41:49
Speaker 1: goes through a cross section of descriptions. Joe Pegano, a
41:52
Speaker 1: longtime friend of Epstein, had said he can go from
41:56
Speaker 1: mathematics to psychology to biology. He takes the smallest amount
42:00
Speaker 1: of information and gets the correct answer. In the shortest
42:02
Speaker 1: period of time. That's my definition of IQ. Epstein's attempts
42:07
Speaker 1: to betray himself as a galaxy brain genius was surely
42:11
Speaker 1: helped along by his vast fortune. As I would find
42:15
Speaker 1: the myth of his genius and the fortune or mutually
42:19
Speaker 1: reinforcing notions, his brilliance went largely unquestioned, because how else
42:24
Speaker 1: could he be so rich? His wealth wasn't so mysterious
42:28
Speaker 1: once he understood just how brilliant he was. Yeah, sorry,
42:32
Speaker 1: I never thought Jeffrey Epstein was brilliant. From anything we've
42:35
Speaker 1: read and from the stuff I've heard from people who
42:39
Speaker 1: knew him. It was all a facade, right, It was
42:42
Speaker 1: all fakery. He had some ability in the stock market,
42:45
Speaker 1: maybe to move some numbers and shit, and he had
42:48
Speaker 1: a good feel for money laundering, but as far as legally, really,
42:54
Speaker 1: he was nothing to write home about. He was no
42:56
Speaker 1: Wall Street powerhouse, he was no big shot. He wasn't
43:00
Speaker 1: anything like that. But Pavar didn't buy it, at least
43:07
Speaker 1: not entirely. He still called his old friend a very
43:10
Speaker 1: very brilliant guy and said Epstein had a very low,
43:14
Speaker 1: how should I say, charming way of expressing himself. But
43:18
Speaker 1: Pavar also acknowledged that Epstein was a bullshitter. He couldn't
43:22
Speaker 1: concentrate on a subject for more than two minutes before
43:25
Speaker 1: having to change the subject because he didn't know what
43:27
Speaker 1: anyone was talking about and what blurred out the dumbest things.
43:31
Speaker 1: Pavar said, In particular, Epstein had an affinity for posing
43:35
Speaker 1: pseudo deep questions like what is up and what is down?
43:39
Speaker 1: At the scientific summits he hosted on his private island.
43:43
Speaker 1: Doesn't shock me one bit, honestly, a pseudo intellectual with
43:48
Speaker 1: like Jeffrey Epstein is definitely going to ask questions like that, right,
43:52
Speaker 1: trying to act like he knows what he's talking about
43:55
Speaker 1: or floss like he's some sort of you know, intelligent guy.
44:00
Speaker 1: And these scientists were all probably rolling their eyes in
44:03
Speaker 1: the back, you know, in their heads, in their minds,
44:06
Speaker 1: I mean, meanwhile, acting like they care what this guy
44:09
Speaker 1: had to say. Because A the money and B all
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Speaker 1: of the others that came with it, the act would
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Speaker 1: wear thin. Eventually, Pavar recalled, while everybody was watching, we
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Speaker 1: began to realize he didn't know what he was talking about. Then,
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Speaker 1: after a couple of minutes, Jeffrey had no attention span whatsoever.
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Speaker 1: He would interrupt the conversation and change it and say
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Speaker 1: things like, what does that got to do with pussy? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that sounds about right. That most definitely sounds about right, folks.
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Speaker 1: And we know that Stuart Pavar was a friend of
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein's and they probably were pretty close. It wouldn't
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Speaker 1: shock me one bit considering how close Epstein was to
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Speaker 1: the Academy, sitting on the board, all the money he donated,
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Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. So that is a tell that
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Speaker 1: definitely rings true with me, the conversation Pavar had with
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Speaker 1: the author here and what they talked about, because he
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Speaker 1: most definitely had some intimate knowledge of Epstein, and him
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Speaker 1: and Epstein most definitely were pretty good friends. Now, I'm
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Speaker 1: not too sure that Pavar was involved in the actual,
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Speaker 1: you know, trafficking part of anything, but he certainly was
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Speaker 1: rubbing elbows with Jeffrey Epstein more than just an acquaintance.
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Speaker 1: And he I don't care what he says, he most
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Speaker 1: definitely saw some weird shit. And even if he didn't
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Speaker 1: see anything weird, Maria told him what was going on,
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Speaker 1: and he still stayed friends. With Jeffrey Epstein. So Stuart
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Speaker 1: Pavar is another one that you know, it's good that
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Speaker 1: he's talking, right, he's talking about, you know, his relationship
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Speaker 1: with Epstein, et cetera, et cetera. But he's not going
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Speaker 1: to be able to pull the wool over anyone's eyes
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Speaker 1: and act like, you know, he didn't see anything weird
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Speaker 1: at Epstein's house. If you're over there and you're at
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Speaker 1: his conferences and stuff, you saw a few weird things.
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Speaker 1: Now do you want to acknowledge that or not? Well,
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Speaker 1: that's a different question, and that's probably where we uh
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Speaker 1: where we are with where we are with mister Pivar, Right,
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Speaker 1: he is just he you know, in his mind he
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Speaker 1: has it's normalized. That's the normal behavior for these people.
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Speaker 1: So when Jeffrey Epstein has all this weird ass art
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Speaker 1: and painting and shit on his walls, maybe this guy
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Speaker 1: says to himself, yeah, yeah, you know, typical, just the
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Speaker 1: way we roll in polite society. So that's going to
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Speaker 1: end part one of this very lengthy article, and part
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Speaker 1: two will be tonight on the Daily Drop, So look
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Speaker 1: for that later on, probably around four pm or so
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