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Landing in Paradise with Rachel Recchia · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to Almost Famous. It's been I'm here and
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  Speaker 2: I have an incredible co host today and we have
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  Speaker 2: a lot to break down. Bachelor in Paradise is happening.
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  Speaker 2: Episode four of Paradise has just aired a few minutes ago,
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  Speaker 2: and we're here right now to talk about everything we saw, experience,
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  Speaker 2: think and feel. And we have not only a former
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  Speaker 2: paradiser but one of America's favorite bachelorettes along with Now,
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  Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna call a reality star because I
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  Speaker 2: don't think we can just consume this within the Bachelor world.
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  Speaker 2: Rachel Rekia, thank you for co hosting with me today.
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  Speaker 3: Hi Ben, thank you for having me. I'm so excited.
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  Speaker 3: I have so many thoughts. Oh, lot to go over.
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  Speaker 2: I have zero doubt when Rachel comes on that she's
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  Speaker 2: gonna have thoughts.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm prepared with my notes. Always so much to say.
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  Speaker 2: And I ask for a co host. Rachel's my top choice.
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  Speaker 2: But Rachel, before we jump into this together, because we're
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  Speaker 2: on the same team today, I do have to interview
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  Speaker 2: you for a second.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, I expect nothing less.
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  Speaker 2: Now it has just come out that on August first,
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  Speaker 2: there's a new Netflix show called The Perfect Match that
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  Speaker 2: you're going to be on along with Clayton Eckerd.
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  Speaker 3: Who would have thought those two names? I went back
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  Speaker 3: in the same sentence you did.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody's gonna try to bring that back. If somebody's
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  Speaker 2: gonna try to make that happen, Rachel, I know you
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  Speaker 2: well enough, but I'm not gonna claim to know your
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  Speaker 2: ins and outs in dating and your lifestyle choices. I
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  Speaker 2: know you well enough to know that I like you,
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  Speaker 2: and I appreciate you, and I respect you, and I
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  Speaker 2: get excited anytime we're going to be on the same
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  Speaker 2: trip together because I know you're a good time. I
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  Speaker 2: watched the trailer for The Perfect Match. It looks what's
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  Speaker 2: the I'm going to say the word sexy, promiscuous.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, very out of my element. Netflix is very sexy.
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  Speaker 3: It's like too hot to handle, Temptation Island, and then
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  Speaker 3: randomly like there's Bachelor people there. But I like to,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I try to step out of my comfort
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  Speaker 3: zone a little. I think I did that. So, yes,
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  Speaker 3: the show is very different I think from what the
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  Speaker 3: Bachelor audience is used to.
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  Speaker 2: I don't we're not going to spend a ton of
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  Speaker 2: time on this. I think it's gonna be a great show.
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  Speaker 2: I'm very excited to watch it. We're gonna be breaking
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  Speaker 2: it down. Actually right here, I'm almost.
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  Speaker 3: Oh god, god, Yeah, okay, So I can't wait to
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  Speaker 3: hear your thoughts. I'm actually kind of scared.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, I'm going to say it, like
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  Speaker 2: I feel it. We're going to protect you.
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  Speaker 3: I was gonna say, you better say nothing bad about me.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I was an angel the whole time I was an angel.
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  Speaker 3: It did nothing wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Did you feel I mean, I feel like I would
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  Speaker 2: have felt this way, But you know, being the lead
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  Speaker 2: on such a huge franchise like The Bachelorette, do you
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  Speaker 2: feel more hesitant kind of going on these other shows
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  Speaker 2: when somebody's like, hey, get in a bikini and let
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  Speaker 2: somebody take a body shot off of you. Which I
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  Speaker 2: only say that because we just saw that during this
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  Speaker 2: episode of Paradise. Yeah, Like, would you feel a little
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  Speaker 2: bit more reserved than others or do you feel like
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  Speaker 2: you just still.
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  Speaker 3: Dove in Well, I definitely dove into the best of
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  Speaker 3: my ability. I don't think The Bachelorette is something that
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  Speaker 3: ever held me back, but I still do have a
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  Speaker 3: job as a pilot and a teacher, so I definitely
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  Speaker 3: keep that in the back of my mind. I never
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  Speaker 3: did anything really that the audience hasn't seen me do.
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  Speaker 3: Like if I kiss a bunch of people, they've already
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  Speaker 3: seen me kiss thirty two So nothing too bad. But no,
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  Speaker 3: I was really excited to like jump in and I
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  Speaker 3: hope you guys enjoy it, and I can't wait to
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  Speaker 3: hear the thoughts.
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  Speaker 2: I can't wait to watch it. Last question, I only
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  Speaker 2: know you and I won't even say who it was
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  Speaker 2: to date one person post bachelorette or have any type
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  Speaker 2: of fling with them. Is this show about finding love?
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  Speaker 2: Like you go on to it hoping that you find
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  Speaker 2: your perfect match or is it more of a it's
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  Speaker 2: a good time, let's just do it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think for the most part, like a lot
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  Speaker 3: of people just go on for it's like paradise, kind
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  Speaker 3: of like the Vibes. But our season actually we have
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  Speaker 3: an engagement and a baby, multiple engagements, so it's like
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  Speaker 3: this season was supposed to be a fling, and when
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  Speaker 3: you go into it like that, I think that's when
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  Speaker 3: serious things happen.
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  Speaker 2: So you could be engaged right now, you could be child.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know you anymore.
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  Speaker 3: I know you do you do?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know?
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, No, this is definitely their most serious season.
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  Speaker 3: That's why I think they brought in Bachelor people and
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  Speaker 3: people from more serious shows, because they wanted that kind
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  Speaker 3: of vibe and they got it. But still sexy.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we're gonna be excited watching in August first on Netflix,
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  Speaker 2: perfect match with our girl Rachel and Clayton. Who knows
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  Speaker 2: there could be a new a rekindled fling happened, which
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  Speaker 2: would be even more mind bowing, which I'd have so
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  Speaker 2: much to say, and I probably wouldn't protect Rachel at
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  Speaker 2: that point, but Rachel, let's dive into.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, enough about that. So many thoughts. I want to
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  Speaker 3: know your opinion on this season two, and that's.
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  Speaker 2: Where I want to start. I want to start with
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  Speaker 2: kind of the overarching let's like regroup, catch up. It's
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  Speaker 2: episode four. The Goldens are now on the beach. We're
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  Speaker 2: seeing relationships deepen, We're also seeing relationships start to dwindle
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  Speaker 2: and fray. Overall you've been in Paradise, You've watched yourself
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  Speaker 2: in paradise. My thoughts have always been this. I don't
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  Speaker 2: hate the modernization. I do. I do not like the location.
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  Speaker 2: I will say that it's very confusing for me. Compared
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  Speaker 2: even four episodes in, It's hard for me to track
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  Speaker 2: where people are at what they're doing. I miss people
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  Speaker 2: just being on the beach, lounging, swimming, chasing whatever they
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  Speaker 2: were chasing. I miss the bugs. I miss seeing like,
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  Speaker 2: really beautiful people smack bugs off their faces in the
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  Speaker 2: middle of the night. I love that. I think it's
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  Speaker 2: a great element of the show that people enjoyed. I
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  Speaker 2: don't now. I'm getting used to the like kind of
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  Speaker 2: the filming and how it's edited and the modernization of that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't hate it as much as I used to,
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  Speaker 2: But I will say this, I am still four episodes
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  Speaker 2: in discombobulated while watching the show because I don't feel
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  Speaker 2: like I understand what's happening and where people are kind
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  Speaker 2: of like mingling, and as a result, I lose touch.
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  Speaker 2: Because I used to love it when somebody would watch
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  Speaker 2: walk down the stairs of like the cabana room, and
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  Speaker 2: I would know that, like, hey, there's significant others making
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  Speaker 2: out with somebody in the pool, and they're gonna walk
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  Speaker 2: right up on them. I miss that part of it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what this resort looks like right.
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  Speaker 3: It's almost like, as a viewer, you could walk around
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  Speaker 3: the old villa and know exactly where everything was. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: I'm so happy I was on Paradise before this, Like
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  Speaker 3: no shade, Well, I'm gonna probably shade a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: But I like you said, everything has to be updated right.
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  Speaker 3: The way we were doing stuff was a little bit behind.
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  Speaker 3: I think we could have still done an update in
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  Speaker 3: a Bachelor way. What I don't like is it feels
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  Speaker 3: like it's trying to be not the Bachelor anymore. And
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  Speaker 3: that's where I feel like it's just not like doing
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  Speaker 3: well for me. I don't like the dream sequence thing
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  Speaker 3: that they're doing this little like I don't know. I
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  Speaker 3: like the editing. I like that they get to have
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  Speaker 3: you know, Ac, that's great for them. I like that
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  Speaker 3: they're eating on camera. Amazing. But it's just a lot
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  Speaker 3: of change at once, and a lot of change with
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  Speaker 3: the Goldens coming in and with the cast. I feel
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  Speaker 3: like getting the short end of the stick of six
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  Speaker 3: couples total, Like how do you find options in that?
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  Speaker 3: And now the couples are all locked in because there's
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  Speaker 3: no one there. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm with you, I'm tracking. I agree with everything.
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  Speaker 2: They've slowly eliminated the dream sequence more and more. I
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  Speaker 2: can tell yeah to the audience, being like, this is
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  Speaker 2: just distracting from the show. I personally, Rachel, you might
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  Speaker 2: hate this. I loved watching you have bugs like I
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  Speaker 2: loved watching have crabs while they're trying to use their
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  Speaker 2: morning constitutional. I loved seeing like the most put together
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  Speaker 2: social media influencer who's always like looking clean and nice,
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  Speaker 2: sweat through their bikini and no, I agree, like I
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  Speaker 2: loved it. I thought that was the best thing.
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  Speaker 3: I miss seeing the people on the beach looking so
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  Speaker 3: to shovel and then the new fresh person coming down.
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  Speaker 3: You could tell who's been there the longest. Now everyone
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  Speaker 3: looks fresh. Yeah, this isn't fair, Like you need to
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  Speaker 3: look at their and you need to have bugweites on
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  Speaker 3: your face and sand in your bed. Yeah, that's paradise.
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  Speaker 3: Eating French fries, like surviving off round fried food. It's
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  Speaker 3: just definitely not paradise.
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  Speaker 2: No, And I think from a viewers standpoint, one of
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  Speaker 2: the things, you know, as the show became more influencer
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  Speaker 2: focused and as people came off The Bachelor and Bachelorette
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  Speaker 2: and made their own name for themselves by doing whatever
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  Speaker 2: they'd on social media, and as everybody comes back home
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  Speaker 2: and they are beautiful people who you know, can take
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  Speaker 2: a beautiful picture and mark it up. I think it
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  Speaker 2: was the thing saving the show for those same people
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  Speaker 2: to have to go to the beach and for the
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  Speaker 2: viewer to go, yeah, you're still pretty, you still look great,
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  Speaker 2: but you're also very human. And like Sam's story last
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  Speaker 2: year or two years ago was so good, Like she
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  Speaker 2: didn't poop for what ten days? That's amazing. That's so
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  Speaker 2: good for the show.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I was saying. And I think the reason
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  Speaker 3: last year I feel like I got so much hate
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  Speaker 3: was because it was in tandem with the goal in
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  Speaker 3: the first Golden season, so people were like, this is
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  Speaker 3: so stupid compared to the Golden I'm like, that's the point.
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  Speaker 3: It's been stupid every single season. You guys are just
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  Speaker 3: forgetting it. And now I'm like, it's kind of not
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  Speaker 3: as stupid anymore. It's kind of just like I'm watching
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  Speaker 3: couples lock in day one, and now I feel like
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  Speaker 3: everyone kind of knows how to play the game. M
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  Speaker 3: h I feel like that's what I'm watching, watching people
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  Speaker 3: try to produce themselves. Yeah, some things did surprise me,
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  Speaker 3: like the Jeremy and the SUSI. That was wild. I
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  Speaker 3: loved that. But some of it is just like, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: you guys know how to do this, and I'm watching
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  Speaker 3: you play a game.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's dive in. Let's dive into this episode. We
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  Speaker 2: have all the couples, all the people on the beach.
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  Speaker 2: We had the same introu that we've had as the
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  Speaker 2: last episode, with a lot of winking. It's cute, it's great,
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  Speaker 2: it's fine, it's fun. Everything looks awesome. It's a cool
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  Speaker 2: way to do it. I we kind of started this episode.
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  Speaker 2: We started out slow with the water aerobics and oh
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  Speaker 2: you missed.
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  Speaker 3: The whole Jonathan and April in purry.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, go ahead and talk about that. I do think, actually,
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  Speaker 2: you're right, that does play into kind of the big
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  Speaker 2: Row ceremony moment. So I do think this is a
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  Speaker 2: foreshadowing of what is to come.
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  Speaker 3: I mean just kind of crazy, Like I think Paradise
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  Speaker 3: is like even for me. I feel like I when
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  Speaker 3: I was there, I had a lot of connections, Like whatever,
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't the most solid. But I hate this constant
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  Speaker 3: pushing of this golden and young narrative. I feel like
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  Speaker 3: we're seeing the peak of it right now, Like I
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  Speaker 3: feel like this is where it's coming from, and I'm
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  Speaker 3: just not into it. I don't like it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like it. I mean I don't I've never
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  Speaker 2: liked it. I won't say that I wouldn't be interested.
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  Speaker 2: If April and Jonathan actually made out, I would be like, Wow,
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  Speaker 2: that's crazy, not a great Like I don't want to.
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  Speaker 3: See it, like we can make TV in so many
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  Speaker 3: other ways.
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  Speaker 2: Like I don't know it does. It does make me uncomfortable.
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  Speaker 2: And one of the reasons is, and you've been around
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  Speaker 2: them with me. We know so many of these Golden Ladies.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know as much of the Golden Men because
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  Speaker 2: there's season happened and we haven't done as many things together.
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  Speaker 2: But I know so many of the Golden Ladies. Well.
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  Speaker 2: I respect them so much, and they are such motherly figures,
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  Speaker 2: like they they sent Winnie my daughter, like a huge
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  Speaker 2: gift when she was born, you know that, and it's
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  Speaker 2: an incredible gift that she still plays with so sweet,
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  Speaker 2: like when we're together they're so like encouraging and such
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  Speaker 2: good listeners. To see those same women on the beach
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  Speaker 2: and to know just in my mind that they're going
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  Speaker 2: to be pursued by somebody my age or younger makes
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  Speaker 2: me uncomfortable in so many ways, and I don't think
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  Speaker 2: viewers want to see it. Now Again, I'm a hypocrite
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  Speaker 2: because I did say at some point during this episode,
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  Speaker 2: I think April would be really down to make out Jonathan,
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  Speaker 2: and it would honestly feel a little different for me
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  Speaker 2: because I know April as well, and I know she'd
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  Speaker 2: be really down to like probably make out with Jonathan literally,
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  Speaker 2: so like that doesn't feel as weird to me, but
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  Speaker 2: that's a one off scenario.
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  Speaker 3: I love April having her like share a moment like
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  Speaker 3: I do, but I also am like, Okay, if you
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  Speaker 3: had rules reversed and this was kat Is Oh and
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  Speaker 3: Captain whatever, this would be not okay. So like I'm
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  Speaker 3: trying to put it in that perspective where, like I
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  Speaker 3: do get age gap relationships, no problem with them, but like,
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to view the Goldens in this light.
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  Speaker 3: Like I thought they were there for advice and I
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  Speaker 3: love that they're like being crazy and doing body shops
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  Speaker 3: like I love that, but it's making me look at
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  Speaker 3: them different, and I don't want to. I want to
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  Speaker 3: keep this image like Santa Claus in my head of them,
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  Speaker 3: like you're perfect.
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  Speaker 2: You're like my wife. She watches The Golden Show because
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  Speaker 2: there's a purity to it that she loves, and she
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  Speaker 2: can like invest into these people and be like, I
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  Speaker 2: just want to see you thrive and find your everlasting love.
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  Speaker 2: But the switch would be like she doesn't I think
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  Speaker 2: view them in the way of you just want to
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  Speaker 2: hook up, like you just need to get laid again.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting thing though, April, you could tell me if I'm wrong.
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  Speaker 2: April's like strutting around into bikini. She's looking good, She's carrying.
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  Speaker 3: It well, like yes, she has shook great.
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  Speaker 2: She's showing it off like she is there too. She's
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  Speaker 2: definitely the one with the youngest energy. Now we do
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  Speaker 2: have other relationships, obviously you did the water aerobics were
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  Speaker 2: just was just a good filler, nice and fun. We're
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  Speaker 2: gonna kind of skip through this episode. You stop me,
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  Speaker 2: Rachel wherever you think. Hey, there's a big moment. I'm
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  Speaker 2: really bummed and I hate when the show does this
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  Speaker 2: and I feel like they've done this more over the
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  Speaker 2: last five years than ever before. I feel like they
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  Speaker 2: haven't completed story I and so I invest into a
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  Speaker 2: story and then there's like a twist that I don't
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  Speaker 2: even see coming or understand that's a twist. It just
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  Speaker 2: feels like I missed out on something. And I felt
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  Speaker 2: like that with the RJ Natasha scenario. I know that
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  Speaker 2: maybe she had mentioned hey, like he's funny or whatever,
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  Speaker 2: and it didn't feel like the connection was as strong
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  Speaker 2: as maybe he since it was, But in my mind,
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  Speaker 2: watching this episode and watching everything so far, they had
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  Speaker 2: something good enough to continue on with this potentially you know,
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  Speaker 2: leave this beach together and so well spoiler alert, like
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  Speaker 2: she doesn't give RJ the rose he goes home. What happened?
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  Speaker 3: I know? I want to say. I do think Natasha
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  Speaker 3: was very openly interested in Gary. And the thing about
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  Speaker 3: the Goldens is I feel like they're not like I
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  Speaker 3: need to get a rose. They're like, I'm interested in
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  Speaker 3: this one person, like kind of tunnel vision, and they
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  Speaker 3: don't really want to get him. Am I wrong? Like
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  Speaker 3: I kind of felt that way watching Leslie, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: I feel like, once they like something they kind of
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  Speaker 3: just go all in, which is respectable. I feel like Natasha,
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  Speaker 3: which is more gary. You No, I liked Margin more,
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  Speaker 3: but there was more potential there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it felt like there was actually something there.
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  Speaker 2: I never saw the gary thing coming. You mentioned that
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  Speaker 2: it feels like people nowadays are playing the game more
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  Speaker 2: than they used to it. It sounds like what you're
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  Speaker 2: saying too, is the Goldens just haven't played the game,
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  Speaker 2: Like they don't know how to play the game, so
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  Speaker 2: they don't know to stay open and to kind of
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  Speaker 2: date around.
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  Speaker 3: It could also be because they know what they want. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: Like maybe it's like it could be either, but yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we're watching game players versus like newbies, Like we've never
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  Speaker 3: seen anything like that before.
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  Speaker 2: It's like the old school paradise back in the day
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  Speaker 2: where it just started and you had that's where you
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  Speaker 2: had a lot of the like like weddings coming from
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  Speaker 2: because people would invest right away. And that was one
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  Speaker 2: of the things the show struggled with. It got boring
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  Speaker 2: because all these couples would couple up and they'd be like, no,
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: you and I to the end and it was beautiful,
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: but it was kind of like the middle of the
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: season got so boring because everybody was just like enjoying
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: each other's company on you know, the beach, right, and
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: it seems like the stage the Goldens are in. Well
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: you mentioned this, you know Gary showing up. Gary Levinson
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: shows up. He's a big personality. He's full of a
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: ton of joy. He's from Jones season obviously of the
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: Golden Bachelorette. You know, those big personalities will always stand
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: out on the beach. He seems in very he comes
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: in very confident. I did not see the Leslie relationship happening.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: I didn't either. I was gonna say that, I wrote,
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: no chemistry. She likes to dance. Leslie could love anyone
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: when she's dancing like that. I got.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it just felt like it missed it the whole time. Now,
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: the show did a good job, like with the rain
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: and the dancing and the you know dips and the toils.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: It made it look beautiful, but it just never felt
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: like the whole time I watched, and I said, is this,
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: it feels like I'm not watching what they're trying to
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: communicate to me. It feels like it misses it. Even
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: you know they like usually you can tell they're in
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: the conversation. The dancing part like it is what it is,
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: but during the conversation you can usually tell if there's
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: chemistry or not. And I watched this and it did.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: It felt like two people on a first day that
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: would leave being like, hey, I think you're great.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like two friends set them up. They're both hopeless romantics.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: I feel like they're similar in some sense, but I,
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: just like you said, I did not get any sort
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: of chemistry with them.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: I want to keep on Gary for a second, Rachel.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: You know, he's a huge personality. I think Bachelor Nation
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: has always known him as this bubbly figure, and I
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: think he is. I'm not gonna say I don't know him.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming he is. We saw Gary after the rose ceremony,
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: after Natasha gave him the rose. We saw this, I
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: would say, an other side of him, not the bubbly, welcoming,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: like come give me a hug, good morning type of person.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: He is either really into Leslie and really nervous about
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: ruining whatever is happening there, or he is really not
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: into Natasha and giving hold her the cold shoulder. So
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: I say all this for you to comment on it,
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: and also for me to ask the question because you've
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: been to Paradise. I haven't. Why would he say yes
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: to her rose if he wasn't at all into it?
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: And it's so hard to watch them again, like you said,
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: because they are not playing a game. And even when
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: he accepted Natasha's rose, he was like dancing up there,
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: and like you said, the first thing I thought was, Okay,
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: well we missed something, like they're clearly getting on so
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: much better if like Leslie was like, okay, well we
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: had the date, so it's the right thing to do
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: to give him the rose, like she's thinking in that way.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: But the morning after Natasha comes up, she's like, oh,
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: you guys had like a chance to talk. And he
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: definitely was disappointed that he was matched with Natasha, and
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: you could see it. And I think Leslie was disappointed
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: as well with her day. So I'll be interested to
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: see what happens with them.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: It seems like I expected Gary to either decline the
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: rose and hope that Leslie gave it to him, or
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: if he did accept the rose the next morning to
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: be very brutally honest with Natasha and say, hey, I
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: know last night I played out the way it did
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: I just want to be honest with you. We don't
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: have something here. I'm very interested in Leslie and kind
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: of free her up to not stand there and do
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: the thing that I've been stuck doing so many times,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: which is, you know, you stand by their side and
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: be like, uh so what are you having for breakfast?
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: What are you? What are you into? And then ignoring
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: you and you feeling about as you know, an inch
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: big that's such a terrible feeling.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: I think we could say the same thing for Leslie though,
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: because Kim wrote that amazing like no or the poem.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: The ending was weird because he said I think you're
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: my number one until something changes, which was not romantic.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: But she still sat there and was like, oh thank you,
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: Like why didn't she say something and kind of cut
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: it off. So I think it'll be definitely interesting because
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: we're watching definitely two people who I don't see have
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: chemistry find their way back to each other. Maybe I
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: don't know.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be interesting. It's the storyline to follow, other
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: storylines to follow. Some quick hits here, Kathy's you know
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: body shot, big deal. Love Kathy. She's amazing, She's amazing,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: and she's so good on TV. Mm hmm, definitely didn't
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: know how to do a body shot.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: I loved the way she did it, and I love
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: the way she got like right on top of him
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: and everyone else there being like, oh, the young people
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: would never do that because they're so cautious of like image,
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: and but they like. I love Kathy. She's bringing something
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: to the beach that I will be so disappointed if
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: we do not get her for the whole season.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: I'm with you, Kathy would be the one to get
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: me into trouble if I was on the beach with her,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Like she would be the one to be like, hey, Ben,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: let's go rip shot to the bar, even though she
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: supposedly has never taken a shot in her life.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: I looks like that one pretty easy.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I have a hard time believing that she has
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: not tipped them back her with.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: This champagne in the hot up like. I love her.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: I love her so much.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: She's great in g The only thing that could have
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: made it better was Susan being there alongside of her,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: because the two of them are absolute clown show and
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: the sweetest, most carrying, great women. And I'm so glad
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: so far that we have not seen Kathy with a
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: younger man, because that would have broke my heart in
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: so many ways.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: I just don't think she would. No, I think I
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: really don't.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: No, she's too she she still sees her. I mean
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: she is, she's a mom, she has kids, our age
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: like she just could never go there. We've talked about
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: the Leslie and Gary day, We've talked about Natasha and Gary.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: I think it's time, if you're okay with it, Rachel,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: to dig into what I find to be the most
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: non shocking I guess part of the show, which is
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: this Cat and Dale blow up.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: I wanted to talk to you about that.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: It's not shocking to me. I don't know where we
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: have forgotten things along the way. I don't know where
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: we thought things would be different now than it was.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: But there's so many parts of this that I had
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: to write in my notes. Don't be too judgmental, because
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: there's so many elements to this dynamic that just makes
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: me cringe and go, what are you thinking?
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm interested. I feel like we might have different
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: opinions on this.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Okay one, I'm with Kat. This dead thing, this debbit
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: thing is very confusing. It's it's very odd to me.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: Ben, I had to chat GBT debtit. I had to
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: look it up.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: My question to you, because I'm typically less likely to
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: be in the know on cool new things happening in
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: this world. I've always been slow when it happens with that,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: and so this debit, I'd never heard of it. I'd
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: never like thought of it. I think I knew what
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: it means, meaning like it's over, move on. However, if
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: that's is that what it means, let me be clear.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: I actually I guess it kind of means like we
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: took care of that, like it's over. It's like early
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: two thousands slang is what it says, Like when has
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: anyone ever used that? And so many times, not only
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: with Kat he did it in the bedroom, he did
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: it in his interview. Like I mean, I didn't get
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: to see enough of Dale and clar season obviously because
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: he was gone in a day. But now I'm seeing
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: del like what is wrong with you?
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Kind of one hundred percent? Well that was my point
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: it Okay, so let's sit on the debt it because
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: he does kiss somebody else, I don't even have a
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: problem with that. It's paradise. It happens, it's part of it.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: You do what you gotta do.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: I think they should kiss more people with you.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Stay open, go kiss, go have fun, see what fits,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: see what doesn't. And then at some point in the
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: season it feels like a natch. Always a natural transition
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: to be like, hey, you know what, I don't want
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: us to leave alone. I want you to be here
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: with me. But at the start, I'm always confused at
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: the relationships that are like, nope, you and I only.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: I think it's very fair. However, by saying that, I
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: also will say that I think both sides need to
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: be very open and honest about that. That they're kissing
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: other people, that they're dating other people, that they're still
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: into each other. It's a very weird dynamic. It felt
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: like to me the course of this argument that Dale
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: was wanting to end it or thought they had ended
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: it without actually asking if the other person involved was
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: okay ending this conversation and moving forward. It felt like
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: he was almost forcing it, being like, hey, it happened,
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: it's over. You gotta be okay with this. Move on.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: When Cat's sitting there, and I will say my criticism
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: the Cat is she gets very upset very quickly, and
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: she doesn't clearly communicate that, Hey, I don't want to
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: move on from this because I am hurt by this.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: I thought we had something more than special and I'm hurt.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: So she didn't. I won't say she did that perfectly,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: but it felt I don't want to use the word
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: manipulative because I know that, but I've already used it.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: It felt like a forced closure to a scenario that
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: the other person had not signed off on closing.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: I agree, And to be fair, I was on Bachelor
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: Comparadise with Kat the way Catherine Izzo would blow up
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: on a drop of a dime. I'm seeing such a
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: mature cat. I'm so proud of her. I messaged her.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: I was like, I just watched the episode and I
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: was I didn't know who I was watching. She was
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: like so clearly telling him that she's upset not because
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: of the kiss, but because he wasn't honest and she
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: wanted this open communication. And I think he was upset
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: I guess because of the timing, Like they kept arguing
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: about the timing and that in his world they keep
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: things so close and they don't say their relationship problems
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: and like First of all, Dale, you lied on camera
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: because you said you guys kissed once. Lie, she's gonna
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: see this back, Like do you not think there are
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: cameras here? And second, it was kind of giving, like
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: you said, not manipulation, but I think when people tell
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: their partner we need to keep this between us. We're
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: not supposed to be talking about this. It's given, like
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: you know you're wrong, and you just don't want her
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: to go ask other people because they'll tell her you're wrong,
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: Like he wants to kind of just never have this
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: discussion again.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: It's not fair to cat And that's why I was
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: hesit to use the word manipulation. I don't exactly know
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: what it was more than just it felt like he
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: tried to control the narrative that at this point should
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: not have been controlled. It didn't need to be. It
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: didn't need to be an issue. I think if the
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: two of him sat there and said, hey, I'm hurt
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: by this, and he said, I did this, but I'm
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: still very interested in you, and what that kiss led
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: me to was to know that I still want to
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: come back to you, I think this gets a lot easier.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: He could have just been like, listen, it was day two, Like,
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: I'm sure if someone else wrote your name down that
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: you would have also done it. If not, that's okay.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: But I chose you. This is what I did, like
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: I'm only interested in you. And then maybe you have
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: the conversation of we're keeping this closed now, not going
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: to see other people. It's a perfect time for it.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: But like you said, he got angry. He told the
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: boys about it. He got mad at her because of
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: the timing of it, and then it carried on into
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: the next day and that night after the.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Ropes, it felt like he was trying to say the
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: same thing. If he came up with a better argument,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: I think I get more on his side, But felt
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: like he was saying the same thing the whole time.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: It felt like, even when he was talking to Gary
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: at the bar, he was doing this thing where it's
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: like and we just come from different places, and I'm
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: wanting to ask him, or I wish Gary would have
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: asked him, what do you exactly mean by that? Because
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: coming from different places doesn't change the fact that somebody
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: you care about his hurt. When somebody care about his hurt,
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: if you care about them, you spend a little more
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: time listening and trying to figure that out and coming
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: up with some solution or at least walking through it.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: Or an apology or ownership to some degree, he took.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: None, none, none.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: I think yeah, like he wasn't even meaning like. I
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: think we come from different backgrounds. I think he kept
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: using that word. What I think he meant is, in
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: my family, we don't talk about our relationship problems with
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: other people. And you did this in front of a camera,
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: and you're doing this before a Rose ceremony. And I
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: think that's what he was saying. That's what I got,
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: and that's what I wrote down.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: I'm confused. I will I will say this whole thing
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: that mostly Dale's reaction. Now, I do think Kat, from
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: your time on Paradise to now, like just there's a
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: big difference in how the response looks. And I will
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: say also, she didn't perfectly communicate that she was hurt
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: and say how she was hurt. But Dale's response to
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: her is at this point, and I think we'll get
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: more clarity as the season goes on. At this point,
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: it's nothing short of confusing to me. And also it
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: feels like he's protecting something like defending himself. In a
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: way that doesn't it doesn't fit. It doesn't feel like
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: he's properly or intelligently defending himself so that she has clarity.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: It just feels like he's like, no, stop talking about it,
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: you're hurt, it's over. We'll all move on.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: But then she tried to move on, like right after rose,
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: she was like he haha, he was like no, no,
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: like he got mad about it again. Like we're missing
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: something with Dale. He's not being honest to the camera
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: with how he feels. And I think that's why interviews
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: are so important, like to be honest if you don't
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: want to be honest with Kat. But like now we're
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: all confused.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Like you said, we haven't seen obviously, the episode just
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: came out. It's always interesting to see the viewer's response.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming the viewer's response is going to be very
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: much in kind of feeling like we're feeling where it's Hey,
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: this felt unhealthy, it felt weird. It didn't feel like
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: the start of a good relationship. Which we'll skip forward,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: like we have all episode here. Why would she give
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: him the rose? And then that's a part that confuses me.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: I think Kat has grown so much like truly, but
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: I think at the end of the day, like Dale
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: is probably the only one that she really is like
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: sexually attracted to and interested in, and she in her mind,
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: like I think, kind of likes a little bit of
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: like the drama and toxicity, like not to a full extent,
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: but I think there are some couples that kind of
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: like that a little bit, and I think Kat could
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: be one. Not trying to speak for her, but I
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: know couples that love to fight and then get like
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: be fine.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: After yeah, fight and then because.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, literally, I think Kat has a little bit of
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: that vibe.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah that makes sense, I mean it does. It, Just
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: it's it's unfamiliar to me, Like, yeah, you know, I
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: walk a very safe line. I'm like, I don't want
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: to fight and I don't want to have to figure
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: out how to make up if we do fight. So
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: I watched this and I feel uncomfortable. And that's why
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: I had a lot of shock, honestly, when she gave
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: him the rose. It also feels like a decision now
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: watching the previews for future episodes that she will I
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: don't regret, but that probably wasn't a great decision. It's
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: just going to cause more drama and turmoil in her life.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: A couple couples that have no drama in turmoil. Alex
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: and Andrews seem to be clicking around really good.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: I love them. I love Andrew personally. I love Alex.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: I think she's so different than like a lot of
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: people we see on reality TV. She's very refreshing. I
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: see this as a couple.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Now. I just want to bring something up. Okay, you
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: can disagree with me, please, do you feel it. I
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: think she's a lot more in him than he is
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: into her.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: I think Andrew is very nonchalot like I've seen him
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: like be, not like personally, but like I know him,
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: I feel like and I think when he's into people,
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: he's not very like, I don't know, super forward. I
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: feel like he likes to like hang back a little.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: I think he's also a little bit burned from his
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: time with Teddy in Paradise, and I think he's trying
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: to like not seem all into soon because he did
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: get that edit of like he couldn't get over Teddy
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: and they met so fast. So I think he also
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: has been here enough where he knows what he's doing
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: and thinking about that and thinking about things.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: He's more hesitant.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, justin as well. I think you see with like
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: these seasoned you know, Paradise people, like they're kind of
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: a little bit more hesitant to like make a big move.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: That's that's fair, and that that would answer a lot
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: of my questions. I just see her kind of like
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: saying things like I go to bed at nights, I
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: see you next day. He goes, that's sweet, and I'm like, dude,
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: like it's a big comment.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's just playing it a little sake.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: I do think he'sn't her, but we will see.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: I hope he is. I love the couple if it works. Yes,
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Jeremy and Bailey, we barely see them.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: I don't like I love her not any fact that
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: he still hasn't told her what he did that is
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: grounds for absolutely never talking to him again. And she's
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: watching this now for the first time.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Do you think she will ever know until she watched
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: it back.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: I don't know. And I'm just a little bit also
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: upset with Alex because isn't that your best friend? Like
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: I would be sprinting to Joe's room to tell her
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: like that is an insane thing to know and not
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: tell her.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right. We don't see a lot of in
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: this episode. We do see them swapping gum.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: In sunburn and just talking.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: No, the iHeart team really wants us to talk about
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: the idea of them swapping gum, sharing gum, making out
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: gum goes another person's mouth. I have never experienced that.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: It's honestly something I would not do with my wife.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: If I mean, if her gum fell in my mouth,
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: I'd be like, hey, this is yours, or I'm throwing
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: it away. It's not something I particularly am going to enjoy.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: It's not something I'm going to be cool about, or
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: would I give it back to them or share it
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: with them any longer? My wife and I would not
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: be That's just gum is a bacteria ridden substance that
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: is meant to do clean up whatever it is that's
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: going on in your funky mouth at that time, truly,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: And the.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: Way they passed it like it wasn't even like a
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: They were like mouth to mouth. And then she goes,
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: there's no flavor to it, So you're just chewing this
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: piece of gum that has all the food he just
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: ate stuck to it with no flavor and then passed
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: it back.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: You're not into it either, No, I think.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: It's absolutely repulsive. And I also I'm just so mad
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: at him that anything he does right now is making
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: me pissed.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Oh so he's like, he's your villain number one right now?
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: Ye us? Are you the way he just did her
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: so dirty? Like you went on a date? You almost
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: gave your ross, Susie. She goes on a date and
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: you have when he's talking to Shabby in the corner
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: call her up right now, I was like, you're nuts,
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: you're crazy? Shoot or shoot? Come on. I'm sorry. I
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: know we haven't talked about last episode together, but I'm just.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: Like, no, please keep going.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: This is good over it? Like I'm sorry, Jeremy, Like
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: I met him once, like seem like a good guy,
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: but that was just crazy. And then to be cuddling
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: with her on the couch sleeping, passing gumback like no,
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: and then you still haven't told her?
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, so let's play this out, listeners. I
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: think would appreciate this. He never tells her. Let's just
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: let's just play it out that she doesn't ever know
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: that he said the things he did. And then also
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: went after easy the way he did. She they're still together,
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: let's say at the end, happily they better not be.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Do you get upset?
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: Like I love her, she's an angel baby, like she's
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: like the queen of the beach, like all the boys
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: love her, Like I hate that for her, Like I
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: don't know, I just think it's so disrespectful.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I it's weird too, because it's not. I mean,
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: I think you come at it from this place of
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: protection because you love some of these women, you know
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: some of them, You care about him, You've been there.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: The show isn't making it as big of a storyline
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: as I think they could, meaning it doesn't feel like
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: they're lighting the switch to blow this thing up, like
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: they're kind of just secretly being like, yeah, Jeremy did
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: what he did, and I do feel like it's a
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: big deal at least, as we said at the beginning,
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: if he wanted to date other people, fine, but I
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: think Paradise has always been best served when communication is
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: honest and open, and he should we should hear him
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: have to tell Bailey, I'm still into you, and Susie's
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: out of my mind and I don't want to pursue
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: her any longer, or we need him to tell her. Hey,
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: I haven't stopped talking about thinking about Susie since the
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: moment she left, and you and I are not going
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: to make it, but we should see that conversation have
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: to happen.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: I think he said it at the Rose ceremony. I
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: think to Jonathan, he goes, I'm second guessing my decision. Now.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: I hope that Susie stays and takes this rose. And
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: and on top of like you calling her right after that,
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: like this is a huge story, and you do make
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: a good point. The fact that they are not blowing
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: it up does make me maybe think that they're together,
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: because when they protect a couple, lets together.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's and so the great part will
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: be the after show if we have one.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: I know, because I genuinely don't know. I only know
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: Jill's like little worlds like that. So I hope they
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: have a reaion. I'll be front row.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about your girl, Jill. Let's give her a moment. Ear. Obviously,
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Jill and Ashley are good friends. You love Jill, and uh,
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Jill is one of those people that I think if
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: I was on the beach with her, she would be
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: like a safe, fun just like one of those people
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: that light up a room and bring positive moments to
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: any situation she's in. I want her so badly to
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: find love on this beach. It does. It feels like
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: she gets pushed aside. I don't know why. It feels
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: like these guys don't. I've done some live events with Jill.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: She's gorgeous, she's funny, she's witty, she's smart, smart, she's engaging.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: I don't get why some one of these guys is like,
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: that's my girl, Like that's it.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: Genuinely. It's funny because watching back I told her, I'm like,
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: I feel like she would have hit it off with
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: Kyle from the very beginning of the season, the one
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: who everyone was like, who is Kyle. I'm like, he
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: just seems so like smart and mature and to earth,
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: and I feel like Jill needs like an intellectual guy.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: That's funny, And I think a lot of these guys
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: on the beach, I would say Justin would have that too,
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: but they're also such good friends. Jill knows two guys
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: that are on the beach currently. Yeah, I don't think
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: they gave them a recipe for success with only having
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: six couples.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: It's too little, too little, But it's still even with that.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm with you, I even with that. When
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Ashley told me that Jill was coming back to Paradise,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: my first thought was, goodness, I hope this one works well.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: I thought she was engaged when she was there. I'm like, oh,
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: she's engaged. I had a feeling. I had a feeling.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: I hate it. I hate it. But her story isn't finished.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: No, but she's with Sean. Yeah, so I already know her,
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: like I without knowing. If I watch that happen, I'd
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: be like, all right, So she's in a dark place
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: right now. Love you Sean. He knows I love him.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: But she even took her rose and said, I love
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: the opportunity to be here next week.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, brutal.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: You're pissing off.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's brutal. And so we'll follow her along. We're
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: gonna pause here on the breakdown of the show. We
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: still have a few things to get to. The rose ceremony.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Jonathan's moment trying to figure out if he's gonna stick
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: around or not. Our girl, Hannah Brown, she's a Bachelorette,
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: just like you were. She was announced to be in Paradise,
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: she was given a title. Really before this whole competition
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: thing starts with this season, I thought we'd see a
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: lot of her. It to me, it feels like they
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: hired her on for a position that they don't know
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: what she was gonna do, and they're trying to throw
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: her into most random scenarios and it just doesn't fit.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: It's weird to see Hannah Brown in the background of Paradise,
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: passing out champagne and making like doing some like random interview.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: We're not even seeing interviews of her. I'm seeing so
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: much of Wells, which I love. While was his interviews
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: are incredible, Like I think he's such a crucial part
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: of Paradise. But Hannah is known for being outspoken and
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: funny and crazy, and we're getting none of that, like
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: not even an interview clip, not even her going up
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: and like laughing with the girls. Like I feel like
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: they're not utilizing her at all. She's so funny.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: It's it's very odd to me. It's felt odd when
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: they announced it, because I mean, I love Wells, I
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: love Hannah. I think she's great, But I was like, hey,
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Wells is enough here? Like this beach doesn't have room,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: there's only six couples for everybody. What is Hannah going
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: to be doing? And the show, you know, had some
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: fancy title like Champagne Hostess or whatever it was, or
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Bubbly Hostess, And then we watched this season and my
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: thought is why is she there? And that's not because
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: it's the diss on Hannah, it's just what is she
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: doing there?
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: Is? Yeah, I think there could have been like so
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: much utilized because I think we needed some feminine energy.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: We have Jess, we have Wells. Wells gives the best advice,
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: but I think Hannah in a girl chat, Hannah leading
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: dates or or meeting them on dates, I think there
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: could have been so much more. And she's so funny
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: and chaotic. Yeah, they're definitely just I think fumbling with
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: Hannah a little bit. For sure.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: We should see Hannah on every day. We should see
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: her in every day, at least stopping by the table
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: and you know, doing the random funny here's your two champagnes.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: How are you guys doing right? Saying something ridiculous and leaving.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: We should at least see that we're getting none of it.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: It's very odd.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: I think the audience sees it as well. I've seen
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: a couple tiktoks about it, and like everyone was so
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: excited and now it's like, I want to see my girl,
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: and I see her teaching Leslie how to use a megaphone.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: Like that's all I saw. I think, yeah, passing out
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: maybe one champagne so sad, you know, I want to
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: see more, all right?
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: And closing here, Rachel, I should ask you first, any
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: thoughts that we haven't covered before we get into to
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: the Jonathan Rose ceremony scenarios, anything that you felt that
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: stood out to you.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: Nothing really, I feel like I kind of went over
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: the most of it. I do love going into the ceremony.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: I do love the footage from the rooms of everyone talking,
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: kind of like the hitting camera. I think it's giving
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: a lot of insight that normally, like when you're in
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: front of a big camera, you don't get so before
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: the row ceremony, like Cat crying and having that moment,
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: and I did like to see that.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: So that's good. It's true. I mean, yeah, and you
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: see it even with the guys when Nancy comes in
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: and Gary's talking about you know how well endowed she is.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: And I don't think they know they're being filmed.
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: And I love that because you genuinely forget. I experienced
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: this for the first time, and I'm like, oh my gosh,
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: like you literally just like you're filming so much you
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: forget that there's something in the corner.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good to have this moment. It's really good
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: because you're gonna get the more like authentic, like very loose. Hey,
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: there's six guys in a room talking about what girls
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: they're into conversation and not so put together. To put
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: together gets old. I want to see Gary be like
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: I noticed something about Nancy and all the guys are like,
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: I didn't do. I think it's funny. I think it's
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: you know what, not like it. I think it's it
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: feels a lot more like my real life than anything
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: else that's happening.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: Agreed. Now the Rose ceremony.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Okay, so we're in the Rose ceremony. Now, we obviously
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: have to mention. The easiest Rows of the whole season
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: so far is the Spencer and Jesse Rose. They seem
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: to be never shown because I think they're just one
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: of those quiet, steady couples. They are one of those
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: couples to go back and talking about the beginning that
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: maybe would have the conversation of like, hey, I'm so
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: into you that it would crush me if you date
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: anybody else, And they both reciprocated those feelings, and they
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: could like be the the Jade and the Tanners, the
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: Ashley and the Jared's, like those couples that just work forever,
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: which is fun to watch. I have always been in
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: the camp of I know they might be boring, I
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: know they might not have drama. I want to see
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: more of them because honestly, I watch this show not
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: only to see people make fools in themselves and to
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: say things like debt it, but also to see love
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: come out, like to see love actually work from the show.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: That's what makes this show so great is there has
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: been real relationships happen and new humans being born, and
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: we don't see enough of them.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: I don't think, no, they completely kind of It reminds
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: you of like Brandon and Serene and those couples that like,
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: do you genuinely make it at least for like some
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: like portion, but yeah, it's like the only time you
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: see them is when they're doing, like their couple advice
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: for people like you never genuinely see them talking, and
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: we know, like being on the show, you have so
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: many conversations that don't get like shown. And I would
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: love to see them having like deep conversations about like
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: family and what they're looking for, even if it's for
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: a second. I agree. I would like to see more.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: Want a cheer for them and root for them, but
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: it's hard to and you don't see them. Here's the
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: rundown of the Roses this episode. Chrisa gives her rose
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: to Brian. That's not a shocker at all. At this point,
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: it seems like they're a very steady couple. Bailey gives
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: her rose to Jeremy, Alex gives her rose to Andrew.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Natasha gives her rose to Gary. We've spoken about how
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: big of a moment that was and kind of confusing
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: and what that led into. Leslie then gives her rose
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: to Kim. We'll stop here to talk about Kim for
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: a second. Captain Kim. At first, April thinks Captain Kim
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: is very into her and that was missing the mark
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: he is. He's perfect for the show, he's not made
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: for ally television. No, he's such a good so serious
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: and so direct that I love to watch him because
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: he makes every moment a little awkward and.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: He's so confident about it, even if.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: He's so wrong, like he didn't have Leslie's rose. If
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: Natasha doesn't give her rose to Gary, Gary has Leslie's rose.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: So when he said I'm going to be getting Leslie's
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: rose and I'm not going to be pursuing anything with April,
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: he was so wrong. He got lucky.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: And then he wrote it in his little poem again
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: that he was so confident and he knew, like, oh
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: my goodness, yeah, no, he definitely is not meant for TV.
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: But you know, we need all kinds of characters.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, I think he has nothing. He has nothing wrong
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: about him. He's not hurting anybody in the process. I
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: respect his honesty, but goodness gracious, he just has a
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: way to make things a little bit weird. Yes, agreed,
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: And I appreciate it because I am right in that camp.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: I think gives her rose to Keith. It feels like
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: a friendship is forming between Kathy and Keith. Jess gives
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: her rose to Spencer. Not a shock there. Jill gives
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: her rose to Sean. Is she happy to give her
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: rose to Sean in this moment or is this a
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: but grudgingly like I have nothing else to give.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: I feel like at this point Jill is so mad
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: at Jonathan that anything that you know can work. Besides that,
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: she's kind of just like, all right, I'm gonna give
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: this a chance and pray for men tomorrow. Like that's
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: a bybe I got. I think she was definitely invested
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: in Jonathan, and that did confuse me. So I think
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: this is more of a we both know, we're just
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: like waiting for something better to come along.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: Fair enough, Kat gives her rose to Dale. We've talked
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: about it. It's very still up in the air in
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: that relationship. It's a good relationship to have in Paradise
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: because it does bring drama. I don't love the path
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: that the preview you seem to put this relationship on.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: It feels like it just gets more hurtful and more sad,
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: and I don't want it for either of them. But
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: after Kat's last time in Paradise and how she publicly
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: said how much it hurt her, I don't want more
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: pain to come. Paradise should be kind of that like
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: Resurrection show where you reinvent yourself, you give yourself a
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: better light. You come out of the ashes and you say, hey,
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: I know what you think I am. I'm somebody different.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: And it feels like pat or Kat is on a
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: path kind of walk down a similar lane that she
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: did two seasons ago.
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: I think she is, from what I've seen, getting like
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: a redemption arc and she has it, but it is crazy,
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: like you guys have. Kat was wild on my season
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: and so I again don't wish her pain with this
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: Dale situation, but if it keeps going down this path,
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: I do think she kind of might be the victim
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: in it. But again we'll wait and see.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: April gives her rose to Jonathan. Jonathan is sticking around.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: Based on the generosity of April, there was no romantic
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: communication for this rose being given. She just really likes
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: this guy and thinks he's the best and has straight
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: up told him, hey, if you if I was younger,
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: I'd jump your bones. And I think what she's really
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: saying there is you deserve your chance. And so he's
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: sticking around for another week, which is good for the
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: show because he kind of has that Andrew Spencer first
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: season of Paradise vibe where you're like, he's a nice guy,
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: he's attractive. It feels like he's gonna friend zone a
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: lot of people.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: Well, so with Jonathan, it's like, Okay, I think there
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: all comes a time where everyone needs to be like
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: all right, like maybe this isn't for me. It feels
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: like Jonathan is not giving anyone a chance. Yeah, just
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: like Alex and then like no one else for the
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: rest of the time, and then take a rose from
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: a guy, and like all the Golden Women were saying,
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: now we're down a guy. We have three men. So
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: you took that rose and you're still not open to
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: giving people a chance. I hope we see more next episode.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: Hopefully he goes on a date and it opens up,
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: but I'm not seeing it.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this the Golden Men that go home? R j
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: C K Jack go home. It is the question I
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: want to I mean, it does seem like the show is
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: now in a weird position. It just doesn't feel like
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: the show wanted to be in this position. It seems
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: from a production side to be a very unbalanced moment
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: where there is so few golden Men when when you
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: have so many people women and men going, we need
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: more men here, Like this isn't looking like we wanted
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: it to. There has to be more Golden men coming,
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: I would expect, right.
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: Hopefully, I mean, but we've already gotten two Golden women arrival.
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: Like it's truly not fair I think for them or
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: the young cast, Like how small this is, Like it
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: feels like they all got the short end of the stick.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: I actually wonder and this could be a real price
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: problem if the show had a hard time get convincing
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: men from the Goldens to come on, and they had
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: their like group and they had pictured out, Hey, this
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: is how we're going to make it through and then
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: the Jonathan scenario threw them off and they don't have
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: a like anybody else hanging out the hotel.
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: Why didn't they like send a young person down, Like
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: why didn't they send leya down with the road?
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: It's a great that could have been.
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: Like an incredible like, oh my god, like Leah knows
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: what she wants or I mean, she's the only one
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: we've seen that's coming in like this week. But it
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: just seems like an easy thing to do instead of putting.
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: But they wanted that age gap grows.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: They it's what it was. I think they did. I
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: think the show knew it would cause enough of an
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: upstir to make the press and the headlines and to
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: make people possibly tune in and go, what kind of
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: chaos is happening on this show?
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: I agreed.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: You know, obviously they bring it Nancy. So Nancy's one
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: more golden woman. She's a hot commodity. We see every
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: man on the beach kind of go. I'm into that.
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: Heads are turned for Nancy.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: You know, I've said on the podcast before, Nancy's from
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: the same place I am in Indiana. She grew up
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: in the same lake, and I know in Nancy's family
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: really well. I know Nancy. I love watching Nancy and
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: Paradise because these men are trying to flirt and be
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: like is it breakfast in ben She's like, we're not
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: sleeping together, and I'm like, that is very on.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: Par I love her. I'm excited to see who she
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: hits it off with.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: It's tough. I think it's going to be hard in
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: Paradise for Nancy, especially with only three men left. Now.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: You mentioned Leah coming to the beach, you mentioned Nancy
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: coming to the beach, we have really towards the end
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: of the episode, for me, it was a lot of
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: filler space to kind of figure out who's going to
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: stay together and who's not. And obviously the Dale in
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: the cat scenario, so is the overarching storyline to the
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: end of this episode, because they kind of split ways
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: once again after the rose ceremony to say this isn't working.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: We see Gary kind of turn down Natasha, and Natasha's
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: kind of out on her own looking to see who
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: she could possibly connect with, which is just brutal. I
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: think to watch any of these Goldens feel lost, I know, I.
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: Don't want to watch them be sad, Like that's why
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: I love The Golden Bachelor.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: I don't want to seem and they do seem sad.
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: It's hurtful no matter what age, especially if they're not
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: dating as much as like we are, Like this is
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: their one chance to really go down and meet people
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: who are willing to like date and like to see
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: anyone get hurt. It's so sad.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: If I was them, I'd almost be in the mindset
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: at this point too, like, hey, we have like four
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: more days together here, Like, doesn't look like any of
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: us are get in roses. Do you girls just want
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: to party, like, let's just go have.
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: Far genuinely, And I would like to watch the I'd
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: like to watch them have to do rose ceremony and
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: then be in the champagne lounge with Hannah Brown and
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: having fun. Well the kids have the drama, and then
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: we just get like glimpses of them partying like that's.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: What we want, and having the most like beautiful judgmental
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: conversations about everybody dating, like they kind of commentate it.
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: That's what we need.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: It'd be amazing because we get Kathy just you know, unveiled,
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: with enough champagne in her to loosen her lips, Natasha
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: saying what she says, Hannah Brown guiding the way that's ivy.
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: Yes, it should be completely separated and they just don't
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: have to worry about going home and they can make
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: their connections organically, and then at the end we'll see
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: if there's couples.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: I love it. Faith Martin also arrives at the beach
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: One more Golden Girls, six Golden Women, three Golden Men,
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: which leads us to the previews for the next episode. Uh,
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: previews don't tell me much, but Rachel, really I think
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: the most interesting part of this and where I think
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: I've always your opinion on is this money element added
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: to Paradise? First question, do you like it or not?
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: I think again, going back, like it's too much, too
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: soon for me, like it is, And maybe it's because
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: I've been there and I just hold this show in
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: such a high regard. It feels like they're like, all right,
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: let's change every single thing and see what sticks. And
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: I just don't like it. I don't like that they're
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: changing to try to be other shows.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: I'm with you, it does. I think we talked about
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: it a few weeks ago. It does feel like they're
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: like there to too late. One. It's not revolutionary. What
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: the Bachelor always had was this kind of upstanding above
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: reproach exactly, content that made us all go love is possible,
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: even in the wildest ways. I really now. I'm four
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: episodes in, I really hate I don't like the money element.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: I think it. I think it ruins this show to me.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: It is distracting me. It also makes me question everybody's motives, which,
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: going back, the beauty beautiful part about Paradise was it
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: was relatable because we knew your motives have to be
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: pretty pure to stick around in a place that is
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: so uncomfortable only with the hope of finding love. Now
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: you have air conditioning and money.
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: No, genuinely, and I think it's okay whatever, Like it said,
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: it's going back to the OG bachelor pad days. Then
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: I want to see every single person knowing that when
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: they walk in, I want to see how they act
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: different knowing that. But now I have like, I don't know,
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: it's just too much, too soon. I don't like it.
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: I think it's so unnecessary bachelor's fantasy. Like you said,
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: it's this love, and it's this it's OG. It's the
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: first that it's a first dating show, and now it
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: feels like you're trying to be like everyone else. Now
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: we're like lost everything that we've had. And then Paradise
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: was our one, like funny, humorous, like got to have
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: the cheesy intros and we don't have even now nothing
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: is the same. There's no bachelor to it.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: It was an escape to laugh with and at people
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: and then go, I like you like at the end
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: of Paradise, get married. Yeah, it's amazing, Like it had
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: so many good elements. The money to me, Rachel distracts
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: from all of it. I also, I don't know. I
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: don't know the why, because if the why was to
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: intrigue viewers one, they saved it for way too long
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: in the season. You've lost all the viewers. If money
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: was going to be your big you know, catch them
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: all and and kind of like you said, people, we
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: don't know how people are going to respond. It could
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: break up really beautiful relationships. Half million dollars is not
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: nothing like. It could definitely change the dynamics of the
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: Spencers and Jesse's if all of a sudden, a half
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: million dollars is on the table and they have to
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: decide between each other after a few weeks of knowing
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: each other. I just don't know the why it hasn't
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: been clearly communicated to me and why this money exists
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: and what it's for. I would I would be less
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: upset with this season, and I still am watching it
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: and I'm still intrigued. I'd be less upset with this
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: season if I didn't have this kind of cloud over
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: the whole thing so far, being like, but when is
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: the money going to be introduced and what's that going
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: to do? Because it feels like a whole different season than.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: Me, and people are not going to be coming down
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: to the beach anymore, Like that's the point of periodise.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: I want to see bombshells. I want to see people
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: like breaking out and breaking up or staying together, like Okay,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: now there's no more bombshells. And we have all these
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: instable like or whatever couples like Jail and Cat. Yeah,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: they're going to be competing. They're fighting, like Jill and Sean,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: who are not Like, how did we get to this
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: point where we don't have solid couples. Jeremy hasn't even
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: told Bailey, and now we're going to play for.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: Half a million dollars doesn't make it.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: I don't like it. And are the Goldens doing these games?
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: I have no idea, Like I said, we have not
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: that we have not gotten any communication on what this
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: many means. We're four episodes in, uh what episode five?
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: They're going to drop the bomb and be like, oh,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: by the way, you've been here the whole time and
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: it hasn't been ideal, but you're here for a half
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: million dollars. It feels so odd to me. It feels
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: like they wanted to do this and they were trying
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: to land a sponsorship, and they finally landed a sponsorship
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: last week. They had some sponsored date by the movie
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: and they're like, Okay, now we can offer a half
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: million dollars without it, we didn't have it, but now
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: we got a half million to offer these people.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like, yeah, it's just too much. It's
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: too much change for me. It feels like they're trying
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: to be Love Island in a way. But the challenges
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: from the preview didn't even look like Love Island challenges,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: where it's like let's test chemistry and get drama going.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: It was like they were like doing these survivor challenges,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: like why am I watching tribal console and like a
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: Love Island end, where's the engagement's? Like where is Neil
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: Lane in this preview? Like this is not the Bachelor.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: I don't like it.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: I don't want to see Rachel Rekia stand on one
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: leg for thirty minutes and see if she survives it.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: I don't want to see it. It's not interesting to me.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: Let's switch out Jesse and Jeff probes, like I too
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: much at once, too much once, and maybe I'm coming
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: from like being old in the franchise, like I want
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: things to be the same, but no, no, no, I
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: don't like it.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: That's the best part about having a podcast is if
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: you are wrong and people don't agree with you, they'll
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: tell you, but they they also I think we're speaking
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: to most listeners and watchers right now. From most of
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: the polls and the comments and the feedback that we've received,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: people are feeling very similar to to how we are
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: right now about this season, Rachel, as we close up here,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: any final thoughts based on the preview, based on what
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: we've talked about that we did not cover.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm glad we got a chance to talk. I'm
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: glad we're on the same page. This has been great.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: Okay. I love to do this with anybody that has
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: a big moment. First Off, congratulations. Anytime you're asked to
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: be back on television, it is a big deal. It
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: means you are after Why should people starting August first
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: on Netflix start watching Perfect Match?
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: Well, it's gonna be great. There's never been anything like
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: it before. It's like the Dating Avengers. All your favorite
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: people from across reality universe are coming together and it's
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: actually different than any other season they've done. So it's
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: gonna be exciting. And I'm on it and.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: You're on it. I was hoping you'd just say, like,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: watch it because I'm here. You can watch Rachel and
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: Clayton August first on Netflix Perfect Match. Rachel, thank you
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: for coming on Almost Famous talking about Bachelor and Paradise
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: episode four. We will be talking to you again soon
• 1:04:56
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• 1:04:59
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• 1:05:04
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• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:05:06
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• 1:05:11
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• 1:05:14
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• 1:05:16
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• 1:05:18
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