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Scheme Insider: 4 Concepts To Watch From Indiana's Defense Against Ohio State · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: All right, we have another Scheme Insider episode for you
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  Speaker 1: from BuckeyeInsiders.com. I'm joined by Michael Pettit. He's one of
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  Speaker 1: our Scheme Insiders. On this episode, we're going to be
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  Speaker 1: looking at the Indiana defense and some of the lessons
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  Speaker 1: we can take from what Indiana has done to defend
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  Speaker 1: other teams and what it might mean against the Buckeyes
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  Speaker 1: this weekend. Michael, we're going to start with something we've
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  Speaker 1: talked about with Ohio State recently, the exit stunt. And
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  Speaker 1: how does Indiana use that against the run.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because would it really be a review of Indiana's
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  Speaker 2: defense if we didn't start with all the stunts and twists, right? So, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: this first play, though, Northwestern's running the ball. Indiana runs
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  Speaker 2: an exit stunt, their version of an exit stunt, which, again,
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  Speaker 2: exit stunt, the end is going first, so that end's
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  Speaker 2: going to spike inside a gap, and the tackle is
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  Speaker 2: going to be second. He's going to loop around to
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  Speaker 2: the contained gap that the end vacated. And, again, the
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  Speaker 2: end here, this is what– the thing with Indiana and
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  Speaker 2: the way they run stunts is they just run them
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  Speaker 2: so effectively. I mean, it's pretty awesome to see, honestly.
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  Speaker 2: They're so good at picking linemen and freeing up the
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  Speaker 2: second man and stuff like this, and that's what you'll
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  Speaker 2: see here. Once the ball is snapped, that defensive end
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  Speaker 2: who's spiking inside is really able to kind of set
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  Speaker 2: a pick and create a clear lane for the three-technique
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  Speaker 2: defensive tackle to come around untouched. And, you know, that's
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  Speaker 2: just an example of one of the very many stunts
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  Speaker 2: Indiana runs. But good example of how they're able to
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  Speaker 2: run these and be so effective with them.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Next up, this next one is called Lasso.
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  Speaker 1: And man, this is you are asking a big man
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  Speaker 1: to move quite a ways. But I guess this is
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  Speaker 1: one of these things where you wouldn't expect someone to
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  Speaker 1: be able to do this very easily or very effectively.
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  Speaker 1: So if you can, it probably is a pretty effective thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is, I call this a lasso stunt.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I've heard it be called. It's pretty similar
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  Speaker 2: to a pirate stunt, which pirate is just, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the five tech and the three tech each stunting inside
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  Speaker 2: a gap. The lasso, in addition to that, is going
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  Speaker 2: to bring the nose tackle opposite the stunt all the
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  Speaker 2: way around as a contain rusher. And once again here,
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  Speaker 2: it's just such a good example of the way Indiana
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  Speaker 2: sets picks on these stunts. I want you to watch
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  Speaker 2: the three technique and the way he's just able to
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  Speaker 2: pick off this center and occupy both of them. And
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  Speaker 2: then the defensive end here, and I believe that's Stephen Daly,
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  Speaker 2: who's probably their best defensive player, in my opinion. He's
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  Speaker 2: able to get inside really quickly. And I believe that's
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  Speaker 2: Mario Landino, who is the nose tackle here, who's wrapping
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  Speaker 2: all the way around to become the contain rusher. But
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  Speaker 2: this is just such a well-executed play here. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: these types of things, this is kind of what I'm
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  Speaker 2: worried about with Ohio State's offensive line. How are they
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  Speaker 2: going to handle this stuff? And, you know, as Ohio
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  Speaker 2: State fans, it's easy to sit here and, you know,
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  Speaker 2: get angry because it seems like the offensive line still
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  Speaker 2: can't pick up stunts. But the fact of the matter
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  Speaker 2: is Indiana has success with these against everyone they play.
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  Speaker 2: It's not just an Ohio State problem. What I'm hoping
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  Speaker 2: is that Ohio State can just do better than the
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  Speaker 2: rest of the field against these stunts.
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  Speaker 1: So before we get to the pass coverage, I do
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  Speaker 1: want to ask, you know, the offensive line, you figure
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  Speaker 1: they're going to have a challenge with crowd noise this weekend.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to be a big crowd by Indiana standards.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to be probably a very loud and raucous
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  Speaker 1: crowd by Indiana standards. So you figure there's probably going
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  Speaker 1: to be some silent count. I would assume in terms
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  Speaker 1: of some of the stunts and twists they're going to
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  Speaker 1: be seeing, that's probably also going to hamper some communication
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  Speaker 1: for the line as well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's definitely true. And I don't really think they
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  Speaker 2: should use a silent count, to be honest. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: Indiana is not a huge stadium, and I'm sure that
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  Speaker 2: there will be plenty of Buckeyes in the crowd. And yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I don't say this as a disrespect to Indiana or
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  Speaker 2: anything like that. It's more just that I see teams
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  Speaker 2: operate without a silent count in much bigger, louder stadiums
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  Speaker 2: every Saturday. And Ryan Day has just kind of often
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  Speaker 2: had a tendency to default to a silent count without
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  Speaker 2: almost it seems like without thinking it through, like we
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  Speaker 2: saw him do it on neutral sites for the last
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  Speaker 2: two games of the year last year when the opponent
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  Speaker 2: wasn't doing it. So it's kind of like, why are
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  Speaker 2: we doing this? I don't think they should use a
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  Speaker 2: silent count. I think they probably will. That's just kind
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  Speaker 2: of what I expect, but we'll see. And yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: do think that could affect the communication in a negative way.
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  Speaker 1: Of course.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, against Iowa, they ran a silent count, which
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  Speaker 2: I think that was necessary. Kinnick's a pretty loud place.
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  Speaker 2: I get that. Uh, but Ohio state, I think had
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  Speaker 2: four false starts in that game. So, you know, didn't
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  Speaker 2: love seeing that and we'll see what they do.
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  Speaker 1: All right. So we talked about some stuff where it's,
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  Speaker 1: how is Ohio state going to handle this now to
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  Speaker 1: the fun part for Ohio state fans? How is Indiana
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  Speaker 1: going to try and handle Jeremiah Smith and the Ohio
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  Speaker 1: state passing game? Uh, one of the first concepts we're
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  Speaker 1: going to be talking about here is mod. That is,
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  Speaker 1: I think this is a new one for, uh, at
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  Speaker 1: least for this season. So explain mod coverage.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so Indiana, last year they were a very heavy
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  Speaker 2: Cover 3 team, running Cover 3 about 50% of the time,
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  Speaker 2: which is a lot more than it sounds like. They
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  Speaker 2: didn't run all that much quarters last year, but I've
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  Speaker 2: noticed in the film study that I did of them
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  Speaker 2: leading up to this video, they seem to be running
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  Speaker 2: a little more quarters, and often it's this mod. So
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  Speaker 2: what mod means is it either means man on demand
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  Speaker 2: or man outside and deep. So those corners, they're going
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  Speaker 2: to be in man on the number one or outside receiver.
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  Speaker 2: If they, you know, run a deep vertical route, but if,
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  Speaker 2: you know, if that, if that receiver just runs like
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  Speaker 2: a slant or something, then the, uh, corner is not
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  Speaker 2: on the receiver and man coverage. He's going to bail
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  Speaker 2: to the deep quarter of the field. So that's kind
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  Speaker 2: of what mod is. Um, I just noticed Indiana's running
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  Speaker 2: it a little more than I noticed from them last year.
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  Speaker 2: So I thought that was, A little interesting, but I'd
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  Speaker 2: still say they're primarily a cover three team. Either way,
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  Speaker 2: they run very, very little man coverage. They're definitely more
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  Speaker 2: of a zone coverage team.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and the next one we're going to be looking
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  Speaker 1: at is another cover three clip. And this is one,
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  Speaker 1: we talked on the show about how Patricia has tended
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  Speaker 1: to be a little bit conservative. This would certainly be
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  Speaker 1: a conservative way to approach things. This is Indiana dropping eight,
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  Speaker 1: but You know, if they're trying to make sure Jeremiah
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  Speaker 1: Smith does not beat them, this is certainly one way
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  Speaker 1: you could go about that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Bryant Haynes likes to drop eight quite a bit,
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  Speaker 2: more than a lot of defensive coordinators I've seen. So
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  Speaker 2: like right here, Indiana's running cover three, which I still
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  Speaker 2: view as what their main coverage scheme is. But they're
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  Speaker 2: dropping eight in the coverage. So, you know, it just
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  Speaker 2: gives them an extra set of eyes in the quarterback,
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  Speaker 2: makes it that much more difficult for a quarterback to
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  Speaker 2: read through and make sure he's not going to, you know,
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  Speaker 2: throw any ill-advised passes and stuff like that. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's something that, you know, Brian Haynes does a fair amount.
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  Speaker 2: And we can get into a little more of what
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  Speaker 2: I expect from Indiana's defense on Saturday. I've also noticed
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  Speaker 2: in this film study that like last year, Indiana was
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  Speaker 2: so simulated pressure heavy and creeper heavy that and just
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  Speaker 2: a lot more like blitzing and aggression, but I didn't
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  Speaker 2: really notice that from them this year to the same extent.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not really sure why, like, I don't, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know exactly why that's been Brian Haynes approach. And
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  Speaker 2: I don't know Indiana's personnel well enough to make that determination.
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  Speaker 2: I do think Indiana's back seven is not quite as
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  Speaker 2: good as it was last year. So maybe that's why
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  Speaker 2: maybe they're not as comfortable, you know, with the, with
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  Speaker 2: blitzing and leaving their back seven players back there. But
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  Speaker 2: the other side of the coin is that I think
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  Speaker 2: Indiana's defensive line is still just like last year. Their
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  Speaker 2: defensive line is still very good. I mean, I, I
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  Speaker 2: know that, you know, before the Maryland game, the talk
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  Speaker 2: was that this Maryland was going to be the best
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  Speaker 2: defensive line Ohio state played. I think Indiana's is better
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  Speaker 2: than Maryland's. I mean, I, I don't hesitate to say
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  Speaker 2: that at all. So maybe they're just thinking, you know,
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  Speaker 2: we'll get home with four or we'll get home with
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  Speaker 2: three or whatever it is. And, but then that leads
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  Speaker 2: me to one more thing. Are they really going to
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  Speaker 2: do that against Ohio State? Because it seems to me
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  Speaker 2: the best way to stop Ohio State is just heavy pressure.
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  Speaker 2: You're not going to take away Jeremiah Smith on the
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  Speaker 2: back end, and even if you try to, it's like
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  Speaker 2: you're dedicating a lot of resources to doing that, which
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  Speaker 2: can open you up to other things. It almost seems
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  Speaker 2: like the best way to stop Jeremiah Smith is just
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  Speaker 2: heavy pressure and not let the ball get to Smith
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  Speaker 2: in the first place. It doesn't matter how open Smith
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  Speaker 2: is if the quarterback is sacked or if the quarterback
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  Speaker 2: has to dodge pressure and then is not able to
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  Speaker 2: stay in long enough for Jeremiah Smith to break open downfield.
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  Speaker 2: So that's kind of what a lot of the defensive
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  Speaker 2: coordinators who played Ohio State this year have done. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Will Muschamp turned up the heat in the
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  Speaker 2: second half when they played Texas and Phil Parker blitz
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  Speaker 2: a lot for Iowa. That's just kind of what you've seen.
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  Speaker 2: And Ohio State's pass protection has struggled. And I say
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  Speaker 2: pass protection as a whole and not just a line
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  Speaker 2: because pass protection is a group effort. It also involves
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  Speaker 2: the tight ends and the running backs. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they've made their mistakes, too, in pass protection. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not really sure if what we've seen from Indiana's
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  Speaker 2: defense schematically up to this point this year is necessarily
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  Speaker 2: what they'll do against Ohio State. I think, again, this
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  Speaker 2: will be a really tough challenge for the Buckeyes and
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  Speaker 2: in particular for the offensive line. but it'll be interesting
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  Speaker 2: to see. I think Ohio State should be able to
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  Speaker 2: move the ball relatively well. I do think they'll need
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  Speaker 2: to be a little patient though.
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  Speaker 1: If Indiana does dial up more pressure, what is the
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  Speaker 1: counterpunch for Ohio State? You always think, you know, you
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  Speaker 1: catch someone in a blitz, you throw a screen, something
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  Speaker 1: like that. But what is the just sort of down
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  Speaker 1: to down if you're expecting a lot more pressure from
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  Speaker 1: wherever or whomever on first down, second down? What are
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  Speaker 1: the sort of counter punches that Arthur Smith can have
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  Speaker 1: sort of at the ready?
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  Speaker 2: I would say, you know, maybe just some hot routes. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like I said, patience is key. I really
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  Speaker 2: think it might serve Ohio State well to, you know,
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  Speaker 2: run some RPOs pretty quickly off the bat on Saturday.
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  Speaker 2: And I'd also say, you know, get the tight ends
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  Speaker 2: involved in the passing game when they can, which I
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  Speaker 2: know sounds strange. And I know our fan base has
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  Speaker 2: a complex relationship with tight ends right now. But the
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  Speaker 2: fact of the matter is, you know, Nate Roberts has
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  Speaker 2: proved to be a very good receiver. They had some
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  Speaker 2: success throwing the tight ends against Indiana last year when
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  Speaker 2: they did it. And all in all, I just think
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  Speaker 2: like last year, one of the biggest issues was, They
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  Speaker 2: kept trying to dial up shot plays and pass protection
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  Speaker 2: could not hold up. And I don't want to see
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  Speaker 2: them make the same mistake this year. I know it's
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  Speaker 2: like you have Jeremiah Smith and you want to get
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  Speaker 2: him the ball. You want to have a pass go
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  Speaker 2: 40 yards through the air and get the ball to him.
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  Speaker 2: But you might just have to be a little patient
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  Speaker 2: and accept that. And also, you know, they should be
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  Speaker 2: able to run against Indiana. Like, I'm not saying they're
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  Speaker 2: just going to, you know, ram through Indiana like a bulldozer.
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  Speaker 2: But they had... relatively decent success running the ball last year.
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  Speaker 2: It just says, as we've seen for the past couple
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  Speaker 2: of years, the run game is not that explosive. It's
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  Speaker 2: relatively efficient though. So all in all, I just think
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  Speaker 2: patience is kind of going to be the key to this,
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  Speaker 2: but a tough challenge for Arthur Smith, for sure.
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