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The Late Debate | 20 October · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to The Late Debate.
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  Speaker 2: Well, thanks for joining us on The Late Debate. I'm
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  Speaker 2: James McPherson with Danika DiGiorgio and Caleb Bond.
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  Speaker 3: We begin with the latest news out of Victoria.
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  Speaker 2: Victorian police have charged Brendan Nugent over an attack that
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  Speaker 2: has left Victorian MP Helen Haynes critically injured. The 43-year-old
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  Speaker 2: faces charges including dangerous driving causing serious injury, intentionally causing
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  Speaker 2: serious injury... and causing harm to a Commonwealth public official.
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  Speaker 2: Police allege he deliberately targeted the independent MP. He's due
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  Speaker 2: to appear in Wangaratta Magistrates Court tomorrow. Now, of course,
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  Speaker 2: our thoughts are with Helen Haynes, who's reportedly lost a
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  Speaker 2: leg and remains in a critical condition at Melbourne's Alfred Hospital.
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  Speaker 2: And our thoughts also are with her husband, Phil, and
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  Speaker 2: their three children. Politicians from across the political spectrum have
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  Speaker 2: today expressed their support for Mrs Haynes and called for
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  Speaker 2: everybody to tone down the political rhetoric. She is a
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  Speaker 2: well-loved member of her community, and this will come as
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  Speaker 2: an incredible shock to that community.
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  Speaker 4: I have always found her to be a polite, a dedicated,
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  Speaker 4: determined local member.
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  Speaker 5: We may have differences with politics and that type of thing,
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  Speaker 5: but for this to happen to her and in a
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  Speaker 5: critical condition.
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  Speaker 6: I'm really quite upset by this.
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  Speaker 7: Today is a really bad moment because I think it
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  Speaker 7: will diminish the trust that people have, particularly between MPs
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  Speaker 7: and the people they serve.
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  Speaker 2: Now, before we discuss today's developments, it's worth hearing from
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  Speaker 2: one of the men who apprehended the alleged attacker and
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  Speaker 2: then helped Helen Haynes. This is Wangaratta Barber, Ricky Jeffries.
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  Speaker 5: Obviously, our office is next door, so, you know, and
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  Speaker 5: she's a genuine member of the community. Like, she does
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  Speaker 5: hold a role of significance, but she still is a
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  Speaker 5: local person.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot that's disturbing about this incident, but, Caleb,
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  Speaker 2: blokes like Ricky Jeffries there and others who rushed to
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  Speaker 2: her assistance remind us that, and we need reminding, frankly,
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  Speaker 2: at times like this, despite everything that's happened, there's still
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  Speaker 2: plenty of great Australians out there.
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  Speaker 5: Indeed, and that's part of what makes this all So galling, right?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, in a regional community where, by and large,
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  Speaker 5: people tend to be a bit more tight-knit and have
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  Speaker 5: a better sense of community than perhaps we do in
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  Speaker 5: the city sometimes, it makes things like this all the
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  Speaker 5: more shocking. But it does reinforce that sense of community
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  Speaker 5: and the fact that, you know, something happens, people spring
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  Speaker 5: into action. As you say, sometimes it's easy to forget
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  Speaker 5: about that or to perhaps think it doesn't exist anymore. But,
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  Speaker 5: you know, chaps like him, he doesn't consider himself a hero.
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  Speaker 5: He just thinks he did the right thing. And he's right.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, he did do the right thing. The great
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  Speaker 5: thing is that he doesn't think he did anything extraordinary.
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  Speaker 5: You know, well, someone's in need. You've got to do
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  Speaker 5: what you've got to do for people in your community.
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  Speaker 5: And that's exactly the kind of Australian spirit that is
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  Speaker 5: nice to see come through in all of this. And
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  Speaker 5: we'll get a bit further into this when we look
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  Speaker 5: at the papers later in the show. But reports coming
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  Speaker 5: out this evening that while Mrs Haynes was trapped under
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  Speaker 5: the car, she was talking to the people who were
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  Speaker 5: helping her and thanking them for helping her. Now, I
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  Speaker 5: can tell you if I were in that situation, I
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  Speaker 5: think I would have a few other words on the
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  Speaker 5: top of my mind that perhaps people around me wouldn't
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  Speaker 5: want to hear because you'd be in a great deal
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  Speaker 5: of pain. But it shows her character through all of
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  Speaker 5: this as well, that the first thing she's thought to
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  Speaker 5: do when she's clearly in a life-threatening situation... is to
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  Speaker 5: thank those around her who are helping her rather than
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  Speaker 5: scream or shout or swear or many of the other
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  Speaker 5: things that I suspect I would lean to do if
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  Speaker 5: I were in that kind of situation. I mean, people
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  Speaker 5: who came out and put tourniquets on her legs to
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  Speaker 5: try and stem the bleeding because, of course, there would
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  Speaker 5: have been a great risk when you've been crashed in
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  Speaker 5: an incident like that that there would be a huge
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  Speaker 5: loss of blood, which could potentially, you know, you bleed
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  Speaker 5: out and you die, right? I mean, it's just the
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  Speaker 5: quick thinking of people on the ground and that at
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  Speaker 5: the moment she can owe her life to. And, of course,
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  Speaker 5: we really hope she pulls through. As you say, reports
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  Speaker 5: she's lost one leg. Hopefully they can save the other. But, yes,
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  Speaker 5: when you look beyond, of course, the tragedy of what
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  Speaker 5: has happened here, it is also a story of great strength.
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  Speaker 5: from her and the Wangaratta community.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and we will play, I will talk about it
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  Speaker 4: later on in the papers, exactly what she said to
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  Speaker 4: the Good Samaritans at the scene. And it will just
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  Speaker 4: show you the character of this woman and the type
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  Speaker 4: of woman that she is.
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  Speaker 8: But you're right, Caleb.
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  Speaker 4: And I think, you know, with regards to people like
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  Speaker 4: Ricky Jeffries and everybody else who did help out at
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  Speaker 4: the scene, this is what is so amazing about the
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  Speaker 4: Aussie spirit and how Australians bind together in times of
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  Speaker 4: trouble and help each other out. No questions asked, even
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  Speaker 4: putting their own lives at risk in events like this
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  Speaker 4: just to to try and help everybody out. But I
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  Speaker 4: guess today the key detail is now this Brendan Nugent.
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  Speaker 4: He has since been charged. We're finally finding out a
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  Speaker 4: little bit about this individual based on his social media
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  Speaker 4: posts that he had made. He appeared to be an environmentalist,
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  Speaker 4: a self-proclaimed plant person at that. But what I think
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  Speaker 4: is most devastating is that his father and his stepmother...
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  Speaker 4: have been good friends with the Haynes family for about
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  Speaker 4: 20 years. And there are photos of Helen Haynes with that.
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  Speaker 8: And here it is on the screen here.
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  Speaker 4: And that is his stepmother. Now, they released a statement
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  Speaker 4: later this afternoon describing this incident as unfathomable and Goodness me,
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  Speaker 4: my heart goes out to that stepmum and father right now.
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  Speaker 8: I can't imagine.
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  Speaker 4: What they would be going through. In the coming days
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  Speaker 4: and weeks, we are going to find out more about
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  Speaker 4: an alleged motive. We still don't know specific details. All
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  Speaker 4: we have heard that this individual is being assessed by
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  Speaker 4: my mental health professionals and perhaps there was drugs or
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  Speaker 4: alcohol involved. That'll form part of the investigation. But right now,
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  Speaker 4: we are in a very interesting time in this country.
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  Speaker 4: We've got the ASIO boss coming out today, again, reminding
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  Speaker 4: people that words do matter. And this is something we've
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  Speaker 4: been talking about for the past 12 to 18 months now,
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  Speaker 4: that words do indeed matter because words We've seen it
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  Speaker 4: in events around the world. All it takes is for
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  Speaker 4: one deranged individual to take up a grievance and say, yep,
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  Speaker 4: this is a call to arms and to go off
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  Speaker 4: and to do something absolutely stupid and potentially life-threatening. And
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  Speaker 4: the ASIO boss has confirmed that today in a statement.
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  Speaker 8: That words do matter.
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  Speaker 4: We are in very, very difficult times in this country,
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  Speaker 4: there's no doubt.
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  Speaker 2: As you said, it's very interesting because they've now charged somebody,
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  Speaker 2: but there's no news yet as to the alleged motive
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  Speaker 2: of what he's done.
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  Speaker 3: So that'll be interesting.
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  Speaker 2: And also news today that he was known to police,
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  Speaker 2: having been called to the property where he's resided because
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  Speaker 2: of heavy metal music being played at crazy hours and
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  Speaker 2: muttering to himself and so on and so forth. You
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  Speaker 2: mentioned ASIO and their concern about the safety of politicians.
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  Speaker 2: I note that Ben Carroll and his cabinet were briefed today.
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  Speaker 2: by police, because, of course, the Victorian election is only
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  Speaker 2: a matter of weeks away. This happening in Victoria would
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  Speaker 2: have politicians everywhere, but particularly in Victoria, where they're now
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  Speaker 2: going to the polls, and so they're very much in
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  Speaker 2: the public spotlight. They're out meeting people. They're in the
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  Speaker 2: public eye. There'd be a lot of nervous politicians, and
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  Speaker 2: very understandably so right now.
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  Speaker 5: Indeed, and... I mean, this is where the discussion will
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  Speaker 5: now have to go, is does this actually change the
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  Speaker 5: nature of the way politics is done in Australia? Do
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  Speaker 5: we have to give increased security to MPs, et cetera?
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  Speaker 5: It's kind of hard to argue against it. And part
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  Speaker 5: of me wants to argue against it because I want
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  Speaker 5: to say, well, surely even after an incident like this,
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  Speaker 5: we are still a country where this is rare. This
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  Speaker 5: doesn't happen frequently. This would appear to be a disturbed individual. Now,
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  Speaker 5: we will find out in the coming... days, weeks and months,
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  Speaker 5: what his exact motivation was. We know, as you say,
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  Speaker 5: that he's an environmentalist. If you look at his postings
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  Speaker 5: on social media, he had clearly been getting in the
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  Speaker 5: last few years into the anti-Israel cause and certainly the
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  Speaker 5: pro-Palestine cause. He was at the very least anti-Zionist and
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  Speaker 5: had been quite vocal about that on social media. So
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  Speaker 5: we will get into what caused all of that in
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  Speaker 5: and amongst other potential issues later. including the fact that
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  Speaker 5: he couldn't be interviewed yesterday or was not interviewed yesterday
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  Speaker 5: because it was believed that he might have been intoxicated.
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  Speaker 5: As you say, police had attended his property because there'd
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  Speaker 5: been complaints about erratic behaviour. So it sounds like there's
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  Speaker 5: a lot going on with this guy. Part of it
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  Speaker 5: might be politics, part of it might be mental health issues.
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  Speaker 5: We will find all of this out in due course.
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  Speaker 5: But it doesn't take away from the fact that if
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  Speaker 5: you are a politician, you could quite rightly... feel quite
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  Speaker 5: unsafe right now simply for doing your job and so
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  Speaker 5: we've kind of got to go okay well do we
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  Speaker 5: now as a country have to accept that maybe things
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  Speaker 5: aren't the way they were and that politicians won't be
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  Speaker 5: as accessible and open as they once were even backbenchers
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  Speaker 5: because anyone you know an independent MP in a regional
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  Speaker 5: community who's taking stuff out of the boot of her
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  Speaker 5: car has been mown down, mowed down, I should say.
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  Speaker 5: So does anyone feel safe?
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  Speaker 3: So that's the interesting point, right?
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  Speaker 2: You can up security, you can have security guards, you
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  Speaker 2: can have a security detail, but it wasn't a situation
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  Speaker 2: where she was, you know... addressing a public meeting or
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  Speaker 2: where she was easily.
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  Speaker 3: She's.
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  Speaker 2: Putting stuff into the boot of her car. It doesn't
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  Speaker 2: matter how many security guards you have for that. If
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  Speaker 2: someone's going to do something like that, you're pretty vulnerable.
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  Speaker 8: Well, I think it's actually a broader question.
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  Speaker 4: I think the question has to be asked, how on
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  Speaker 4: earth did we get to this point in this country?
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  Speaker 8: So I totally agree. I think that it's sad.
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  Speaker 4: The unfortunate reality is, is it's very clear that politicians
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  Speaker 4: in this country do need extra security. But when did
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  Speaker 4: this happen? At what point did we blink? And suddenly
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  Speaker 4: we have to have more security. We have to be
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  Speaker 4: even more hypervigilant. ASIO is releasing statements saying words matter
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  Speaker 4: and that the temperature needs to be turned down. Look,
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  Speaker 4: I do agree with the Prime Minister's sentiment that the
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  Speaker 4: temperature does need to be turned down, sure, but he's
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  Speaker 4: been saying that for years and clearly nobody is listening
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  Speaker 4: to the fact that there are problems. So at what
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  Speaker 4: point in this country... did we suddenly need security all
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  Speaker 4: the time?
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  Speaker 5: And also, as Peter Van Onselen pointed out in the
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  Speaker 5: Daily Mail today, you know, it was only a few
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  Speaker 5: weeks ago that the government itself was sending out a
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  Speaker 5: dirt file on Helen Haynes, basically trying to impugn her
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  Speaker 5: integrity after she had complained about the $ 6 million that
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  Speaker 5: was given to the Marrickville golf course, of which the
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  Speaker 5: Prime Minister is an honorary member, right? And, of course,
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  Speaker 5: now he's saying, well, you know, she's a woman of
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  Speaker 5: great integrity, et cetera. The dirtiness of politics is not
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  Speaker 5: exclusive to one side or another, and everyone in some
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  Speaker 5: way or another has kind of contributed to this upping
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  Speaker 5: of the rhetoric in a situation where we are more
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  Speaker 5: fractured than we've ever been.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I didn't hear from any.
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  Speaker 2: And I know we're going to get into some of
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  Speaker 2: the rhetoric in a minute, but what I didn't hear today,
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  Speaker 2: aside from perhaps Andrew Hastie was the only person who
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  Speaker 2: I think went close to this, but I didn't hear
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  Speaker 2: a politician say... We need to tone down the rhetoric
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  Speaker 2: and it's going to start with me.
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  Speaker 3: I'm making a commitment.
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  Speaker 2: I am from now on going to be much more
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  Speaker 2: careful and measured in the way I speak. If Anthony
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  Speaker 2: Albanese had done that, that would be national leadership. But
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  Speaker 2: as you say, Danika, he's made these statements before.
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  Speaker 3: Nothing changes.
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  Speaker 2: And it's all very well to say your opponents need
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  Speaker 2: to tone down the rhetoric and point at that person
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  Speaker 2: and this political person and that one across the aisle.
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  Speaker 2: But if our politicians stood up and to a man
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  Speaker 2: and a woman said, you know what, we need to
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  Speaker 2: change things and so I'm making a commitment as of today,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to be much more careful.
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  Speaker 3: Don't talk about your political opponents.
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  Speaker 8: No.
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  Speaker 3: Just make a personal commitment.
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  Speaker 2: I think that would be far more powerful and I
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  Speaker 2: think that could change the country. But this blaming of
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  Speaker 2: everybody else for the political rhetoric, It's just more politics.
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  Speaker 3: Really, isn't it?
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  Speaker 8: It's about this.
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  Speaker 4: It is times like this where we do need leadership
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  Speaker 4: in this country the most to, one, bring people together, two,
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  Speaker 4: reassure people, and three, exactly what you said, to say
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  Speaker 4: something has to change critically in this country.
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  Speaker 8: And we don't have that.
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  Speaker 4: And I think you always remember the leaders who step
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  Speaker 4: up in a time of crisis. and Anthony Albanese is
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  Speaker 4: absolutely not that leader, not that leader to take this forward.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think he's behaved badly at all.
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  Speaker 8: No, I don't think he's behaved... No, I'm not saying that.
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  Speaker 5: I think he's done everything he needs to.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think he's behaved badly. I'm not saying that
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  Speaker 4: he has, and I have agreed. I said this last
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  Speaker 4: night on the show that I agree with his sentiment
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  Speaker 4: that we do need to tone down the rhetoric, but
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  Speaker 4: nobody's listening.
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  Speaker 8: He's been talking.
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  Speaker 4: That's the point I'm trying to make. No-one's listened to
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  Speaker 4: him in years.
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  Speaker 2: I felt he's looked tentative and he's looked a little shell-shocked,
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  Speaker 2: especially those initial press.
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  Speaker 3: Now, I get it's shocking, but....
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's like that Susan Lee article we were
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  Speaker 2: talking about at the Sydney Morning Herald last night where
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  Speaker 2: Susan Lee said, all right, brace yourself, man up. You
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  Speaker 2: kind of need the Prime Minister to lead, not look
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  Speaker 2: as nervous and scared as everybody else is feeling.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe, but I can understand why he would have felt
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  Speaker 5: that way last night. Of course. have been and those
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  Speaker 5: who are adjacent to them. And while we talk about
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  Speaker 5: this issue of the rhetoric and toning it down a bit,
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  Speaker 5: a woman by the name of Hannah Ferguson, you may
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  Speaker 5: have seen her before. She runs an outfit called Cheek Media,
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  Speaker 5: which is sort of an online media company. It's targeted
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  Speaker 5: a lot of their stuff at young women. She's also
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  Speaker 5: running against the Prime Minister, she has said, in his
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  Speaker 5: seat of Graindler at the next federal election. Well, she
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  Speaker 5: was on Sunrise this morning where she made these comments,
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  Speaker 5: again saying... The rhetoric needs to be toned down.
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  Speaker 4: I think when we're talking about turning the temperature down,
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  Speaker 4: I think healthy debate and respectful discourse is a big
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  Speaker 4: part of that.
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  Speaker 5: Which is interesting, because this is the same woman who
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  Speaker 5: more or less suggested that Charlie Kirk had it coming
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  Speaker 5: for him when he was shot and killed in public.
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  Speaker 5: She posted in the aftermath of his death on social media...
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  Speaker 5: Am I glad that Charlie Kirk will no longer spread
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  Speaker 5: his extremist messaging? Yes. Am I happy that someone shot
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  Speaker 5: him in the neck in broad daylight? No. Do I
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  Speaker 5: believe he empowered the violence that ended his life?
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: Do I believe he empowered the violence... Sorry, do I
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  Speaker 5: believe he caused more harm than good? Yes. Is violence
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  Speaker 5: sometimes necessary?
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: So, I'm sorry, this is the same woman... This morning saying, look,
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  Speaker 5: we've got to tone down the language, who in the
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  Speaker 5: aftermath of the death of Charlie Kirk suggested that is
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  Speaker 5: violence sometimes necessary? Yes. Well, we saw violence yesterday. Now,
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  Speaker 5: following those comments this morning, she went on 2GB Drive
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  Speaker 5: with James Willis this afternoon, where she kind of walked
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  Speaker 5: it back maybe a little bit, but not really. I
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  Speaker 5: think it's really fair to be putting this to me
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  Speaker 5: because if I went.
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  Speaker 8: Back in time, would I absolutely change what I said? Yes.
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  Speaker 9: Okay, so which parts of it would you change? Am
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  Speaker 9: I glad Charlie Kirk will no longer spread his extremist messaging?
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  Speaker 8: Yes.
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  Speaker 9: Do I believe he caused more harm than good?
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 9: Is violence sometimes necessary?
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  Speaker 10: Yes.
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  Speaker 9: You wouldn't put that up after someone died again, surely?
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  Speaker 5: I think I would add more context to explain what
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  Speaker 5: I meant. I think that this, again, like, I understand.
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  Speaker 8: The context and how it's led to.
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  Speaker 5: These kinds of different conversations, but I understand the positioning
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  Speaker 5: that you're putting here.
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  Speaker 8: I think I'd add more context and explain myself and.
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  Speaker 5: Probably word things differently. Oh, I'd word it a bit different.
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  Speaker 5: I'd add a bit more context. She also says multiple
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  Speaker 5: times during that interview that, you know, Charlie Kirk enabled
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  Speaker 5: and supported political violence, basically saying he had it coming
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  Speaker 5: for him. You can't walk both sides of the fence.
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  Speaker 5: You can't say, oh, well, you know, violence is sometimes necessary,
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  Speaker 5: and then when you see political violence happen in this country, say, well,
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  Speaker 5: we've got to turn down the rhetoric.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: Normally your defence is, look, I've been taken out of context.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: Those comments were taken out of context. This is a
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: new one, because she can't say that, because we've all
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: heard the comments, and they weren't complicated comments. It was,
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: is political violence sometimes necessary?
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: So she's not taken out of context. But if she
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: could have her time again, she would add some context.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: I've not heard that defence before. I thought it was
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: kind of clever, but not really. No one's seeing through that.
• 17:00
  Speaker 8: Yeah, this is the problem.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: What context would she add?
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: Well, there's no context. And this is the problem with
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: the left. It's a very do as I say, not
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: as I do kind of attitude where, They think that
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: they can say whatever they want, but they will criticise
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: you if you say something that they don't agree with.
• 17:20
  Speaker 8: And we've seen this time and time again.
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: No violence is OK. Not some violence is OK. No
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: violence is OK. And, you know, Hannah calls for respectful
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: discourse and then tells us to turn the temperature down
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: on sunrise this morning.
• 17:36
  Speaker 8: What an absolute hypocrite this woman is.
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: And she's getting exactly what she wants. She wants the attention.
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: She clearly loves the media attention. But one thing that
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: bothered me this morning, the comments that she made on Sunrise,
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: at the very end of her statement, she said, I
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: think it speaks to a broader issue of male violence
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: against women in Australia as well. That was really unnecessary
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: to bring up.
• 17:59
  Speaker 8: In this case.
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: It's, again, the left love to put all grievances into
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: the one basket. Really wrong time to be bringing that up.
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: It's not the time or the place.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: She certainly wasn't Robinson Crusoe, though. A lot of people
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: were making that.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: This is another example of a man, you know, committing
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: violence against a woman. We've got to deal with men
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: and so on and so forth. And it was, but
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure. And we don't have a motive yet.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: But I don't think it was about the fact she
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: was female.
• 18:28
  Speaker 8: No, I don't think so as well.
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: And I think it really distracts from what is actually
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: going on here. I mean, first and foremost... our concern
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: has to be for Mrs Haynes... Exactly... and, you know,
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: whether or not she's going to have any legs at
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: the end of this, let alone be alive. It would seem,
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: given the context we've been given by the Prime Minister
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: and others to this point, that it would appear to
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: be a targeted attack on a politician, right?
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: Correct.
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: Now, no-one has suggested that it is a targeted attack
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: specifically on a woman, and so there has been nothing
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: to this point to suggest that there is any motivation
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: in that case. Now, I don't deny that women in
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: politics often face a very different kind of abuse than
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: men in politics do. I mean, they receive rape threats
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: and things like this that generally men don't receive, and
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: perhaps they receive more threats and that kind of content
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: than men in general receive. But I think it's a
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: big stretch to then take this case and say that
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: that is an example of male violence against women and
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: because that is to suggest that that was in some
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: way a motivating factor here. And we don't know that
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: it was a... Now, maybe in time it will come
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: out that the guy had, you know, become a massive
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: misogynist and he did want to kill a woman.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: But I think it's way too early to be trying
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: to draw those kind of inferences. and it really doesn't
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: do you any favours in doing it because we can
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: have those discussions much later down the line.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Well, you've set it up perfectly to talk about Victorian
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Premier Ben Carroll because he was interviewed on the ABC.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: And he was lamenting.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: The fact that there are so many threats against female
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: politicians and we really need to change the way we
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: treat female politicians.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: He listed a couple. Who did he list?
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Jacinta Allen, one of his Victorian Labor colleagues, and Ali,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: a federal Labor colleague. It would have been more powerful
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: had he mentioned some of his opponents as people who
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: need protecting. Then one of his opponents was named Pauline Hanson.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: And right after saying we need to be far more
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: respectful to female politicians, Here's what he had to say
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: about Pauline Hanson.
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: Do you say Pauline Hanson's racist?
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: I do believe saying that there are no good Muslims
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: is as racist as you can get. Saying there are
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: no good Muslims is racist and that needs to be
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: called out. How could there be any other interpretation of.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: He's just been speaking about how we need to tone
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: down the rhetoric, particularly towards female politicians, but evidently only
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: those on his side. Not only does he say you
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: can't get much more racist than Pauline Hanson got on
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Shari Markson's programme... He takes Pauline Hanson's comments on that
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: program out of context because anyone who watched that in
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: full knows that Pauline Hanson was talking about trying to
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: delineate between if you've got good Muslims and extremists who
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: can pick the good one, how do you know? She
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: wasn't saying there are no good Muslims. So he goes
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: and besmirches Pauline Hanson right after saying we need to
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: tone down the rhetoric.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: But also the fact that he dredged that one back
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: up again, that was so long ago now. That was
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: months ago. So clearly another political pot shot to be
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: taken weeks out from the state election.
• 21:43
  Speaker 8: I thought it was completely unnecessary.
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: And I'm quite frankly sick to death of this ridiculous rhetoric.
• 21:49
  Speaker 8: Oh, it's all, you know, women, women, women.
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: Come on.
• 21:52
  Speaker 8: Men are also under threat too.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: I can't remember the exact statistics, but ASIO said it
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: yesterday about how many threats there have been against politicians
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: in general. This is not just an issue pertaining to women.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: It is a male issue as well. But for some reason,
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: the left and the Labor Party, they love to all
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: make it all about women.
• 22:10
  Speaker 8: And quite frankly, it is insulting.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: This is actually a genuine threat to our democracy, the
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: broader democracy, and that does include men, by the way.
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: And also, at a time when we are very clearly
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: being told by authorities and politicians we need to tone
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: down the rhetoric, at a time where we should be
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: really unified in our horror at what has happened, you
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: have people then trying to drive identity politics into the
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: middle of that.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: which only.
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: Makes that situation worse. It raises the rhetoric rather than
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: tones it down. This is not a time to be
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: pointing out our differences or trying to whip up our differences.
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: It's a time where we should all take a step
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: back and go, hang on a minute, there's a big
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: problem here that we've had an act of political violence
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: in this country. We should put everything aside and be
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: united in our fight against that, rather than saying, oh, well,
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: it's men or it's this or it's that or it's
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: that ideology. We can deal with all that stuff later.
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: It's simply the fact that there has been an act
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: of political violence in this country. and that should never happen.
• 23:11
  Speaker 8: Yeah, couldn't agree more.
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: Look, let's move on now because academics are sounding the alarm,
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: warning that the teacher shortage in Australia is about to
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: get a whole lot worse thanks to a new federal
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: government mandate to make lessons more set and more rigid. Now,
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: for decades, or for the past 40 years at least,
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: different variations of student-led learning or child-centred learning, as it's
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: been called, has been the norm in this country. However,
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: the federal government is urging a move towards what's been
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: called explicit teaching, which involves teachers clearly explaining and modelling
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: a skill using step-by-step instructions which involves teachers clearly explaining
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: it more better.
• 23:51
  Speaker 8: So, basically, the government would set out what.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: A classroom looks like or what a lesson looks like,
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: and you would have to follow that strictly if you
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: were a teacher.
• 24:01
  Speaker 8: Now, this has come under a lot of criticism.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: There's one lady, Deakin University educational lecturer, Melissa Higgins, Haley,
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: she says that the dropout rate now in teaching is
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: going to get a lot worse because this will mean
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: that teachers can no longer be creative in the classroom
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: as they'll have to follow that mandate. And she also
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: worries about what it will mean for students with autism,
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: ADHD or who have English as a second language, because
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: it's so rigid that a teacher won't be able to
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: adapt a program to help students who have individual needs.
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: A couple of points I would make on this. Firstly,
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: I don't think that this would contribute to the teacher shortage.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: I certainly don't think that teachers are dropping out because
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: of a government mandate.
• 24:44
  Speaker 8: I think that there is a general.
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: Teacher shortage because why would you want to be a
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: teacher in this day and age when one, kids have
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: got so many problems, and two, we know that rates
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: of violence in the classroom are higher than ever. But secondly,
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: I personally value creativity in the class. Now, I do
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: think that we have a lot of woke activist teachers.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: That is a big problem. I think our history is
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: being warped in the classroom.
• 25:07
  Speaker 8: Absolutely.
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: But I certainly do not remember the boring bank teller
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: educators that I had when I was in primary school
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: or high school. I remember those who were creative and
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: created a fun lesson whereby you could learn. So I
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: don't agree personally with this mandate. And in the end,
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: we've got a situation in the classroom where maths, we've
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: got English going backwards right now. Why don't we just
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: ensure that kids are learning the very basics? We don't
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: need a government mandated. Let teachers do their job, but
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: only if they're teaching. None of the woke nonsense, none
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: of the woke crap. Teach kids what they're there for.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: So are you saying that, because I'm totally in favour
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: of these mandates.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Child-centred or student-centred learning has proved to be an absolute disaster.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: You go back to when I was at school a
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: thousand years ago, Danika, before you were born.
• 25:56
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm glad we clarified that one, by the way.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: And we learned things by rote. Two twos are four,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: two threes are six, et cetera, et cetera. And you
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: repeated it over and over and over again until you
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: got it right. And then when you learned to read,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: you went word by word.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: You didn't guess what the sentence was.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: That's child-centred or student-centred learning. They want to bring us
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: back to rote learning because child-centred learning has been a disaster.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's the job of teachers to be
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: first and foremost creative. You're not there to be creative.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: You're there to teach. And you know whether or not
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: you're teaching because you get results. Students learn. Within that framework,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: be as creative as you want. But this idea that
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: teachers can experiment with all sorts of different kinds of
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: learning that puts the needs of the child first and
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: It's been a disaster. It's proved to be a disaster.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: And so the government is right in saying schools need
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: to get back to rote learning, learn the basics. And
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: once you've learned to colour inside the lines, OK, then
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: you can be creative outside of that. But if kids
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: don't get the basics, then as we've seen, they are
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: always behind where.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: They should be.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: And we're seeing that right through the education system. In fact,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: I'm wondering if that's why some of these teachers who
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: are coming out of university now having grown up in
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: an education system, it was all about creativity are rebelling
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: against the push because they've never known rote learning, which
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: is probably why the people coming out of our education
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: system are typically of a fairly low standard because the
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: bar is so low now to get into teaching.
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: And the point is that there should be evidence-based learning, right?
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: And we've got plenty of evidence to show that the
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: way things have been going is not working. I mean,
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: you've only got to go and look at NAPLAN results
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: and see how they're slipping and how boys in particular
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: are finding themselves by year nine more than a year
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: behind where they ought to be in terms of their literacy.
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: Our numeracy is being overtaken by countries in the Middle East,
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: for heaven's sake. I mean, we clearly have a problem
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: with the way that teaching has worked in this country,
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: and there is plenty of evidence, particularly in recent years
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: in the United Kingdom, where they have more broadly adopted
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: explicit teaching now, that it is working and that it
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: is having an effect on results. And it's very basic.
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: It's simply saying, teacher shows you how to do something,
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: you learn how to do something, then you go and
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: do it. I mean, it doesn't take Robinson Crusoe to
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: work out that this makes a great deal of sense.
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: And this has been happening in some way In recent years,
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: in terms of literacy, there has been a move back
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: to phonics. You know, it's... This was the case many
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: years ago. We decided to try something else. It hasn't worked. Clearly,
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: looking at the results, it hasn't worked. And so I
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: think the government is 100% right to say that we.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: But what's wrong with a bit of creativity? I don't
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: understand what the problem is.
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: Well, because it's not working. Clearly, the results are showing
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: that there is... By having a laissez-faire attitude to the
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: way things are done, it's not working.
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: It's not laissez-faire attitude. I just think that... I feel
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: like a child is more engaged in a classroom whereby
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: they are enjoying it as opposed to being sitting.
• 29:07
  Speaker 8: There with a structure where they feel like they're in
• 29:08
  Speaker 8: a straitjacket.
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but that's a different discussion. I mean, if... There
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: are different methods of teaching, but a good teacher can
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: make a lesson entertaining and something that is engaging for
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: a student while teaching it in an explicit manner.
• 29:24
  Speaker 8: What happens if a child's got special needs?
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: They go to a school where they deal with special needs.
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: But that's not always the case. I went to school
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: with kids who had ADHD, and, yes, they were.
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: I know, so did I.
• 29:32
  Speaker 8: I remember them.
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: They were difficult in the classroom.
• 29:35
  Speaker 8: I remember that.
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: I totally agree. They were difficult in the classroom. But
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: the reality is, is we had... teachers, we had a
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: teacher and a teacher's aide who were able to cater
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: to their needs. And it wasn't... I mean, in a
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: classroom of, say, 20 kids, there was maybe one or
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: two with ADHD, but still their needs were met and
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: the environment was sufficient.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: You know what's funny? When I went to school, no
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: kids had ADHD.
• 29:57
  Speaker 8: Well, that's because you were in the Stone Ages.
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: But they probably did have ADHD, but they were probably
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: undiagnosed back then.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Well, I reckon classroom behaviour was a lot better back
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: then than it.
• 30:06
  Speaker 8: Seems to be now.
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: I think there would have been kids with ADHD, but
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: I think that it was just different back then.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: You brought up another problem, though, and it's beyond the
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: realms of this discussion, but that is that they're trying
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: to put kids with special needs... into mainstream schooling, and
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: that has been a disaster as well. I don't have
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: a problem with one child with.
• 30:25
  Speaker 8: ADHD in the classroom.
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: I don't think three-quarters of the classroom can have special needs.
• 30:30
  Speaker 8: That is a problem.
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: They'll have to go to a special needs school. But
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: one or two children with ADHD I do not think
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: is at all an issue in the classroom.
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: But you've also got to consider if it's a classroom
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: of 30 and two have got ADHD, what about the
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: other 28 students?
• 30:44
  Speaker 8: As I said, it was never an issue when I
• 30:46
  Speaker 8: was at school.
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: Well, it was. It was certainly an issue when I
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: was at school.
• 30:49
  Speaker 8: It wasn't a.
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: Those kids were dealt with accordingly and there was never
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: any issues.
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, it certainly caused issues in classrooms I was
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: in and I know teachers were frustrated about it. I mean,
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: one of the best teachers I ever had was in
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: Year 6, Mrs London, and I know she was frustrated
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: by the behaviour of students in her class and she
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: dealt with it as best she could. And, yes, there were,
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: you know, teacher's aides and whatever... would give extra assistance
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: to those students. But fundamentally, what she wanted to do
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: was teach the classroom. And she did give a lot
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: of her own time. She went out of her way
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: to help students where they needed extra help. But that
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: was done outside of the classroom time because she saw
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: that some students needed a bit of extra tutelage. She
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: did that out of the goodness of her own heart. But,
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: you know, fundamentally, you have to worry about the 28
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: and not the 22. And the 28, evidence would show,
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: will benefit much more from an explicit form of teaching.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Which brings us to the subject of AFL football. It
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: doesn't actually, but I think.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: OK, wow!
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: We should always talk about AFL football, no matter what
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: we're on about. Fremantle lost the.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: AFL grand final. You're probably aware of that.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: In no short part to their captain, Alex Pearce, limping
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: off injured before the final siren.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: Well, Fremantle now look.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Like they could lose their major sponsor, thanks to their captain...
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: who's gone off at a Global Citizen seminar saying he
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: feels uncomfortable about the fact that the Frio Footy Club
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: is sponsored by.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: Woodside, who, of course, deal in oil and gas.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Now, Woodside have sponsored the Fremantle Dockers since 2010, and
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: over the past 16 years have injected something between $ 28
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: and $ 30 million into the football club. Alex Pearce, the
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: captain of the team, was being interviewed at an event
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: by a St Kilda female player. She asked him, how
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: much of a say do you think players should have
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: when a sponsor's values don't line up with your own? Now,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: just think about that question for a second. I would
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: have thought the players don't have much say at all.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: They're not managing the team. Their job is to kick
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: a bit of pigskin around an oval. not to have
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: input into who does and does not pay the bills
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: of the club. But Alex Pearce, the captain of Frio, said, look,
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: I'm really glad that this is a hard question to
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: answer and I'm really glad it's a topic that's discussed.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: And it's controversial because I think it does show that
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: within the community we can have influence on who sponsors
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: our teams and who sponsors different areas within our community.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: And Alex Pearce, of course, went on to talk.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: About the fact that he's not particularly comfortable with a
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: company that deals with fossil fuels, sponsoring the Frio Dockers
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: because he worries that in 20, 30, 50 years from now,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: young people won't be able to play sport during summer
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: because the climate will be so hot. I must say,
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Alex Pearce is not on his own. Adam Bant is
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: a great supporter of the Fremantle Dockers. And before the
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: grand final, he too was encouraging the club to ditch
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: their major sponsor.
• 33:53
  Speaker 7: I've been a Freo supporter since they joined the league
• 33:56
  Speaker 7: in 1995, and I remember a time when there wasn't
• 33:59
  Speaker 7: a Woodside logo on the jersey. It shows that we
• 34:01
  Speaker 7: don't need them, and with your support, we can get
• 34:03
  Speaker 7: Woodside off my chest. The Dockers are representing the West
• 34:06
  Speaker 7: at the G this weekend at the grand final, and
• 34:08
  Speaker 7: I can't wait to support my team. But what I
• 34:11
  Speaker 7: can't support is Woodside greenwashing their climate-wrecking brand on my
• 34:14
  Speaker 7: team's beloved kit. So if you're watching the game in
• 34:17
  Speaker 7: the stands or on the TV, cover up your logo
• 34:19
  Speaker 7: and give Woodside the old heapo.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: I reckon a whole lot of Fremantle Docker members are
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: burning their membership cards right now, not because of Woodside,
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: but because they didn't realise Adam Bant's a supporter.
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: I'm done.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: I'm going to go follow Collingwood.
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: Knowing a lot of Fremantle supporters, they probably wouldn't mind
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: Adam Bant. But, I mean, seriously, we call them sponsors,
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: but what they are is an advertiser, right? They're paying
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: for advertising space... on the club's jersey and at the
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: ground and whatever else. Of course, the club makes money
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: out of that. Now, News 24 is a commercial operation
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: as well. In a couple of minutes' time, we will
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: be going to an ad break and there will be
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: ads played in that that companies have paid for. Now,
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: I don't watch the ad break while we're here in
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: the studio. There might be companies that advertise in that
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: ad break that I don't particularly agree with, whatever their
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: ethos is. But I don't care. It's not a reflection
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: on me that they're advertising on this channel, nor is
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: it a reflection on them that they're advertising on News24.
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: They want to get their message across to an audience,
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: and so they pay for space to advertise to that audience.
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: It's as simple as that. I mean, can you imagine
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: me marching into the boss's office and saying, oh, well,
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: I saw this ad on the network last night. I
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: don't like that.
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: Like, they're paying the bills. They're paying your salary. Get
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: over it.
• 35:37
  Speaker 8: Exactly.
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: Someone advertises on Channel 9 or they advertise on 2GB.
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: Do you reckon the presenters jump up and down and say, oh,
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: I can't believe you're taking money from under a bookie
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: or something?
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: Like.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: Get over it.
• 35:49
  Speaker 8: I agree.
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: But, you know, I'm sick to death of players in
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: codes across this country speaking out against sponsors.
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: Shut up.
• 35:56
  Speaker 8: We're not there to hear your political opinion. Do you
• 35:58
  Speaker 8: remember a couple of.
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: Years ago there was a netballer who made a comment.
• 36:02
  Speaker 8: About Hancock prospecting?
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 36:03
  Speaker 9: She didn't want.
• 36:04
  Speaker 8: What was it? She didn't want... Hancock prospecting on her uniform.
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: And so, of course, Gina Reinhart pulled that $ 15 million
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: in sponsorship and it left a big hole in Netball Australia. Well,
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: that's what you get when you criticise your sponsors.
• 36:16
  Speaker 8: So shut up and just play the game.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: Pat Cummins, the Australian.
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: Pat Cummins.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: Another example we could go on, but we don't have time.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: We're going to go to a break.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll look at what's making headlines tomorrow. And,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: of course, much of the coverage continues to be regarding
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: a man arrested over that alleged attack on independent MP
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: Helen Haynes.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: That's next. Welcome back to the program.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Will the alleged attack on independent MP Helen Haynes continue
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: to dominate tomorrow's headlines?
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: Danika, are you going to run us through some of
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: the papers?
• 36:51
  Speaker 8: I am, James.
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: So let's start with the Herald Sun. Their headline is
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: Driven by Hate. And, of course, you can see the
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: front page, the alleged offender Brendan Nugent there has been arrested,
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: a 43-year-old man. Taking a look now at the Daily Telegraph,
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: their headline, Deranged Demon. And again, the same image of
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: the accused. The advertiser is going driven by hate. And
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: I just want to read you a couple of lines
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: from that paragraph.
• 37:21
  Speaker 8: It says this.
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: Amid the horror came hope in Dr Haynes' words of
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: thanks to the heroic people who rushed to her aid
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: in Wangaratta on Monday afternoon. Thank you, you lovely people,
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: she told emergency service workers and Good Samaritans. She also said...
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: I appreciate your help. And doesn't that just speak to
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: the character of the woman and to the person that
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: she is, that in the worst of worst moments, she
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: still thanked the people who helped her.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: It's astonishing that she had the presence of mind and
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: the thoughts of being thankful to other people when, according
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: to reports, she's there with a severed leg. she would
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: have been bleeding profusely. She would have been in fear
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: for her life, wondering, is this it? And in the
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: midst of that, she's expressing gratitude. That's an incredible thing.
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: I suspect it's one of those things you don't really
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: know until you're there, do you? Because some people describe
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: when they've had near-death experiences that it was almost kind
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: of serene. It's like they've come to accept and, of course,
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: we don't know. I'm sure she'll tell her story at
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: some point. But, you know, when you're in a life
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: and death situation like that, maybe you just kind of
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: accept that this could be the end and do I
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: go in bitterness or do I go in happiness or
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: to some level of it? Because, as I said earlier,
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think in that situation I'd be going
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: absolutely wild. But for a lot of people, maybe in
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: that moment they're just like, well... I've got to deal
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: with what's in front of me and the people who
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: are helping me deserve praise for it. It shows a
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: great deal of strength. It really is extraordinary.
• 39:02
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it truly is.
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: Let's take a look now at the Canberra Times. They're
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: going with devastating and unfathomable. Of course, that is the
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: statement that we spoke about earlier from the alleged driver's
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: father who.
• 39:17
  Speaker 8: or is friends with the Haynes family.
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: And then, of course, it's dominating the front page of
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: the Australian newspaper, Grip of Madness, the family.
• 39:28
  Speaker 8: Of an erratic activist who allegedly.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: attacked Helen Haynes has revealed they were friends with the
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: critically injured Indy MP and were assisting police on the
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: shocking and horrific crime as Anthony Albanese leads calls across
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: the political aisle for public debate to be more respectful.
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: Dr Haynes was fighting for life on Tuesday night at
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: the Alfred in Melbourne. having had one leg amputated as
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: doctors worked to prevent her losing another. And again, it's
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: this picture of this individual that is dominating the pages
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: because now the investigation will turn to him, an alleged motive,
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: what more we know about him.
• 40:03
  Speaker 8: And that's the real missing puzzle.
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: There are so many unknowns now, but police will look
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: to interview him in the next few days.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: The other thing on the front page of The Australian,
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: in that story, it talks about the triple O call
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: and the advice that bystanders were given, which included don't
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: approach the vehicle and don't approach the alleged driver. And
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: yet people ignored that advice to apprehend him and to
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: throw away the knife and then render assistance to Helen Haynes,
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: which included working feverishly to try and unpin her from
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: the vehicle where she was trapped.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: So it's a really.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: It's not appropriate to say it's a great read. Every
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: part of it is just a fascinating article about how
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: this terrible event unfolded and how different people played their
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: parts to, we hope, save Helen Haynes' life.
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: And as rational as that advice was from responders on 000,
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: thank God people didn't listen to it, to be quite honest,
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: because who knows what could have happened, whether it could
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: have been worse if people didn't intervene. and people who
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: are willing to put their lives on the line to
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: help out others, as we were saying at the top
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: of the show, really are the best of us. This
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: story carries on on the front of the Mercury down
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: in Tasmania tomorrow, and a bit more on what we
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: were talking about earlier, whether other people across the country
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: ought to be worried. It says, Merrill candidate petitions for
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: better protection of women in politics following Helen Haynes' attack
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: should not be a choice, say Hobart Merrill candidate. has
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: launched a petition calling for better measures to protect women
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: in politics in the wake of the attack on Federal
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: MP Helen Haynes. Further details about the four-wheel drive rundown
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: of the Independent and the extent of her injuries have
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: emerged as she remains in a critical condition in a
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: Melbourne hospital. And, again, you know, this issue of whether
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: or not security has to be increased is a discussion
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: that will be happening now across the entire country, and
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: it's probably a matter of how, not if.
• 42:03
  Speaker 6: Mm.
• 42:04
  Speaker 8: But I also just think it shouldn't just be women.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 42:07
  Speaker 8: I don't like this idea of just saying it's a
• 42:10
  Speaker 8: women problem. It's a problem for all politicians, not just women.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Well, if we go to the front page of tomorrow's
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Gold Coast Bulletin, they've got a slightly different angle on
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: this because of threats locally. Attack on democracy reads the headline.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: The story says two people have been convicted of threatening
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: to kill a prominent Gold Coast councillor and her family.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: as leaders demand tougher protections for the targeted..... after the
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: targeted attack on federal MP Helen Haynes. So there you've
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: got a Gold Coast councillor, a woman, who had death threats.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Two people, as I said, convicted of threatening to kill her.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: And Gold Coast councillors saying, hey, we need better security
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: here as well.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: So this is not just a federal political issue.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: This is right across the spectrum, sadly.
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: I just don't get what goes through the heads of people.
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: I mean, you've got to beef with a politician... what
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: leads you to threaten to kill them? Like, it's just
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: so wrong.
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: Take your frustrations out at the ballot box. We are
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: a democracy for that reason. Let's go now to the
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: rest of the newspapers to see what they're covering. We'll
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: look at the Northern Territory news. This is quite unfathomable.
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: Failed 16 times. Repeated warnings about welfare of Kumunjayi Little Baby.
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: A review into the Northern Territory's Department of Children and
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: Families has revealed the girl known as Kumunjayi Little Baby...
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: was placed in a house as part of a so-called
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: safety plan with a man who had an extensive criminal history,
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: including five counts of making threats to kill. The child
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: was the subject of 16 notifications to the Child Protection
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: Department during her short life. Now, obviously, there's a lot
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: we can't say about this as it is before the courts,
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: but this.
• 43:51
  Speaker 8: Little girl was failed.
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: This little girl was failed, and that is a complete
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: blight on this country.
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: And it's, you know, we keep reading the stories on
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: the front of The Australian by Ros Thomas about what's
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: happening in Western Australia, their child protection system. I mean,
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: so often it's called the child protection system and so
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: often it seems to be a child failure system because children,
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: particularly Indigenous children, unfortunately I think often because we're too
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: afraid to interfere for the fear of being perceived as racist,
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: are left in situations where they really should not be.
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: You know, no kid, black, white or brindle, should be
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: left in any of those kinds of situations. Another shocking
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: story on the front of the Townsville Bulletin tomorrow. Dwarfism
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: argument spares jail and abuse cases. Can you believe this?
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: Risk too high, which is rather a good headline. But
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: dwarfism makes prison too dangerous for a local man sentenced
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: for child sex exploitation offences, his defence counsel successfully argued
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: in court. Matthew John Lundy, 22, who targeted a 13-year-old
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: girl he met through a sporting club, pleaded guilty to
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: one count of using electronic communication to procure a child
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: under 16 and one count of possessing child exploitation material.
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: I mean, fancy trying to argue that you don't deserve
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: to go to jail for that because you have dwarfism.
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: It's like this case in Canberra where a guy who
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: came out from Bhutan, a teenager, escaped jail because, according
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: to the judge, he'd only been here for six months...
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: And so he didn't understand the social norms in Australia
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: when he raped a girl he met at a party.
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: It is just obscene.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to... What is it about dwarfism that makes prison.
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: Is it because you're... You become a target or something,
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: I suppose.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: You're too small to defend yourself.
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: Like, seriously.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: What if you're, like, skinny or something?
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: I know. It's just pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: There you go.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Alright, when we come back after the break, a plane
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: crashes in the middle of an intersection. We'll show you
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: the moment it crashes. It's an absolute miracle. But nobody
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: was killed. That vision is after this break. OK, we've
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: all seen the riots in France, but, Danika, not everyone
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: is taking the riots that seriously.
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: No, especially when you have a coffee to drink and
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: a cigarette to smoke.
• 46:06
  Speaker 8: Have a look at these two.
• 46:07
  Speaker 6: MUSIC PLAYS.
• 46:24
  Speaker 8: I mean, there is a bin on fire behind them.
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: You can see the vigilantes in the background and these
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: two are going, no, I'm going to enjoy my cafe
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: au lait and my cigarette.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: I totally get it. Do you know how hard it
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: is to get a table at that restaurant?
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: But, I mean, what does it say, though? Look, I
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: applaud them for trying to get on with their lives.
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: It's so French. But also.
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: The fact that they're not phased by what's going on
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: in their own country, I think that may be a
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: problem as well.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: It's a perfect metaphor for the Western world right now
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: where we're just, ah, well, you know, that's not going
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: to be my problem.
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: But, you know, it is France. It's probably not the
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: first time they've seen rioting, you know. Ah, well, you know,
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: why would I let a couple of lunatics interrupt the
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: enjoyment of my evening having a... a smoke and a
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: glass of wine. I quite understand the sentiment, to be
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: quite frank. Over in the UK, if we jump across
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: the channel, you don't see much jousting these days. I mean,
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: once upon a time, jousting, of course, was the way
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: men settled problems. Perhaps it's making a comeback. Now on e-bikes,
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: not on the back of horses as it once were.
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: These are some chaps in London who've... You know, you
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: get those line bikes, you see them littered all over
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: the footpath and stuff, and they've decided to start jousting
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: in public on the back of the line bikes. I
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: think this is actually quite a bit of fun, to
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: be perfectly frank.
• 47:49
  Speaker 8: Can you two do that?
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: Oh, well.
• 47:51
  Speaker 8: I want to see James and Caleb duel.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll sit you in the basket on the front seat.
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: You'll be like E.T. E.T. Bornholm. But Lime has put
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: out a statement saying that their bikes are not for jousting.
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: I mean, what a bunch of sad sacks.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: Well, thank God they put out the statement, otherwise.
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: Who would have known? You know, there's just some lads
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: having some good, clean fun. What are they trying to do,
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: interfere with the fun? Seriously.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: There you go.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: Before we leave you, we've got to show you an
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: absolute miracle, a plane crashing in the middle of an
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: intersection in San Jose. The passengers and pilot were taken
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: to hospital, but apparently all right, and no one else
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: injured at all.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: Have a look at this.
• 48:33
  Speaker 10: That's Cessna 177 Cardinal spinning before crashing into a busy
• 48:37
  Speaker 10: intersection just after 3 p.m.
• 48:39
  Speaker 8: Saturday.
• 48:39
  Speaker 9: It's surreal.
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: It's kind of scary, you know, like having this happen
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: so close to home.
• 48:44
  Speaker 10: The body of that plane mangled, debris scattering across the area. Miraculously,
• 48:49
  Speaker 10: no cars on the ground were hit. Two adults and
• 48:51
  Speaker 10: one child were on board the small propeller plane and
• 48:54
  Speaker 10: taken to the hospital.
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: I think we've got a bit more vision of that.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: Have a look at this.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: SCREAMING Yeah, you get in your car, go down to
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: get a coffee, you're not expecting to see that in
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: the middle of the intersection.
• 49:17
  Speaker 8: Pilot didn't know his way to San Jose.
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: Very good.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: We can't top that, so we're going to leave it there.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: Coming up next is the late edition.
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: Good night.