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The CFL Outsiders S02/E17 Apparently, I'm on Instragram · The CFL Outsiders

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  Hey kids, welcome back to another episode of the CFL Outsiders.
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  I remain as always, your 100 % unbiased, completely impartial, and as predicted, rather despondent co-host, Oldman Shoutingatclouds Joining me this week, back for the regular
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  lineup, we start with MJ.
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  it going?
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  I have decided I am now also going to announce all the major deadlines in my personal life as with the Grey Cup dead lead like the federal government.
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  Ha
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  And there's the other one, GT as well.
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  Hey everyone, how you doing?
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  It was a super Saturday.
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  Any week that both green teams lose is a good week for me.
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  So there you go.
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  Yeah, I had different opinions of course, but we'll get to that.
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  Unfortunately, we're starting off this week with another in memoriam.
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  It's unfortunate, the Winnipeg Hamilton game this last week was done in honor of Ted Gavaya, the Hamilton Tiger Cats GM who's been fighting esophageal cancer.
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  and unfortunately he passed away the morning before the game was played.
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  I don't know what else we can say.
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  Our thoughts, our condolences go out to Ted's family, to his loved ones, to all the people across the CFL that cared about him.
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  My father passed from esophageal cancer and I know what a bear that is.
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  So hopefully he...
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  I know he was fighting hard the whole way through.
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  Hopefully he didn't suffer too much and he will definitely be missed.
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  I don't know as much about him but listening to all the tributes, how much he was involved in football, right from the lowest levels up through the junior game here, university and
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  then of course the CFLs.
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  That's it.
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  Anything either of you wants to add or?
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  Yeah, it just sucks.
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  no, it's very sad of course whenever we lose a personality and a key member of the CFL family because we're all family when it comes to that No matter how much we banter about
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  each other's teams and one thing about this league is it is one big family league and we all We all take pride in it and we all feel the pain.
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  So yeah, our condolences go out
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  And on a night that was already pre-planned to be uh tribute to him anyways, it turned into even more so of one and it was felt throughout the stadium, right through the
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  television.
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  And I think that's, that's real important.
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  On a pure business side, mean, he touched on, he was such a builder in so many ways from the Argos through to Winnipeg, through to Hamilton.
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  And just already have turned that Hamilton team around this year from
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  from the last couple of years and the footprints there or the fingerprints are there all over it and we'll see where they go because they're going to have look for another GM and
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  that's the bad side and the business side of this unfortunate circumstance and it'll be interesting to see where they go.
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  Yeah, I think Ted was going be one of those guys where the sky was the limit in as far as what he could take teams to.
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  And so it's just a it's a big loss for the Thai cats and it's a big loss just for CFL.
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  Like.
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  Sucks, it just it sucks so.
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  Yeah, it's a term that gets overused, but everything I see and hear, he was definitely one of the good ones.
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  He was a quality human being.
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  So, all right, well, let's move on to some, well, definitely less serious and if not necessarily less happy stuff for me is my fantasy update.
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  Again, I got schooled a bit this week.
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  I didn't hate my score.
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  I was 106.8, but...
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  Trey Colbeck from the Canadian football countdown was my opponent.
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  He had the high score in the league at 147 and change.
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  So I lost like 40 points.
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  The good part is I think I know where I've gone wrong and anybody that tunes into the Friday show, Old Man Plays, CFL Fantasy, I'll talk about it there and what the learnings
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  are, what we can take away from that.
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  That was about it for there.
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  Did you bother with the team, GT?
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  I had something going on on Friday family-wise and completely slipped my mind.
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  And then by Saturday it was like, so it was too late to really play.
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  So I just passed entirely.
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  But I would have had a tremendous, I would have had a tremendous.
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  uh
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  the other thing, while we were at MJ2 here with us last week, we didn't get a chance to talk about something that the original MJ1 has done.
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  She's got the CFL outsiders up on Instagram.
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  So tell us all about that MJ.
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  Where did we find, where do people find us?
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  What does it all mean?
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  Yeah, so I'm not going to claim to be a professional Instagrammer by any means, but we have an Instagram account and you can find us at CFL Outsiders and we have right now 47
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  followers after a week.
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  Our first, yeah, not bad.
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  Our first follower was Emanuel Arseneau.
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  hey!
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  The Manny Show!
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  We better work hard at getting that right for him.
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  Yeah, and um then some other people of note that have started to follow us.
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  uh McMahon is following us.
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  Kevin Brown.
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  Yeah, Kalva McCarty, Almondo Sewell.
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  So guys, and the TuneOut podcast.
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  So we're on our way.
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  Yeah, good.
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  sounds like we have some guys we might need to interview.
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  That'll be the next step for us.
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  So I'm just going to post.
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  sounds scary as hell to me and if one of you two wants to do interviews we'll get into it.
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  That would not be my strong suit.
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  yeah, so we're just posting like clips to the of the show.
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  We're posting links to the YouTube shows.
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  My sister is a Canva genius and she has made a Canva outline for us for our weekly picks.
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  So are there in there in print.
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  So there's no hiding them now.
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  They are up and everyone can see them.
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  ah So our top our top video.
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  so far.
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  GT's MLSC rant.
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  You
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  It's approaching 2,300 views.
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  Wow.
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  uh
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  are only in the hundreds, so GT, you are the star of the show.
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  uh
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  like what you had to say and agree with you.
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  I think so.
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  think, you know what, what you said really struck a chord with a lot of people and there's, so it was very timely and if you haven't checked it out, check out GT's whole
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  segment.
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  It was great.
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  m
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  yep definitely yeah from last week there was good stuff there.
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  Okay and if you don't have a chance to catch us right off the bat when we drop here on the Wednesdays, the clips will be up on Instagram.
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  You'll be able to take a short preview there and then join us when you have more time.
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  So good stuff, thank you MJ, that is great.
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  Excellent.
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  Yeah, and the just that the link to the show is in our bio on Instagram, so it's right to the YouTube channel.
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  So it's easy, easy to find us.
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  All right.
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  Well, I tried to set up an Instagram account because like you old man, I am a neophyte there and uh it just kept saying I needed to sign up all these people before I could even
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  get an account.
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  And I was like, I don't know any of these people.
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  I'm not doing that.
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  So I've not gone further yet.
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  So I will figure it out, but I have not yet figured it out.
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  moving along with a little bit just again, CFL news, real quick stuff.
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  Tyler Sneed is getting love in Montreal.
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  They've re-signed him apparently for another two years.
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  So not surprising the way he's playing.
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  He'll be there.
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  And then MJ, you were also mentioning something about the Chad with his video.
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  I'm playing.
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  no, I'm not playing.
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  Oh, something like that.
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  I know I said I wasn't going to talk about him.
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  ha ha ha ha
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  we all know, Nick Arbuckle is out 2-4 weeks, so I was thinking, is Chad going to play?
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  So, the CFL Outsiders follows Chad Kelly on Instagram, so I've hopped over.
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  He has deleted his comeback video from his Instagram, and he has made it
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  apology, I understand.
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  Did he issue an apology?
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  understand he issued an apology saying that he jumped the gun and that he's fully supportive of the staff and not quite ready yet.
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  Yeah, he said that he posted that kind of update saying that he was only 90 % and he wants to make sure he's 100%.
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  And on that post, he turned off his comments.
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  But don't you worry, GT, because he announced in that post that he is making a YouTube series called The Comeback about his rehab journey.
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  But I checked YouTube and it's not up there yet.
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  So stay tuned.
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  I could speculate about how the YouTube series was made with Chad and his phone and late at night and possibly alcohol involved, but I don't want to get into any libel things.
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  I was going to say, well, we'll wait and see what kind of a puff piece it is or whether it's an actual hard, hard hitting documentary or whether, as you said, it's him and his
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  phone ranting away.
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  It will be very interesting to see how it is and who's produced it and so on.
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  Because the first one, apparently I never, didn't really watch the comeback, but MJ, I think you reported that it was pretty fancy looking.
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  So maybe this does have a bit of production value behind it.
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  And he does drive a lot of views.
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  So it's not necessarily a bad thing for the league or the Argos in general.
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  Heck, it's no worse than having a Buffalo Bills connection, is it?
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  Yeah, that's that is true.
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  And I'm thinking part of it is that with Jared Doege in there, he's not feeling pressure about losing his job now.
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  So it's probably OK, because I did see today that there it was a source.
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  It wasn't the Argos, but an article saying that Doege is getting the start this weekend or projected to.
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  Well, Ryan was interviewed to say, well, no, Ryan was interviewed today and he said, the practice, he said that Chad might not be back at all this season.
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  which a lot of us have been saying for a while now.
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  So that makes sense to me.
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  Yeah.
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  The other update is I saw something, just a post, not anything official, but somebody saying that Zach was back at practice in Winnipeg, but he was listed as limited on the
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  injury reports.
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  I don't know what that means.
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  Yeah, I heard, the story I read was that he was at, and I saw it on set from several different people, that he was at practice, but he actually, and in full uniform, but
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  didn't actually take part in practice.
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  So they're still not sure what the update's going to be for this week.
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  I'm really beginning to question Winnipeg and maybe I shouldn't because they've been a good team and they've had a real good focus on what matters, on the football but also the
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  family aspect of it.
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  How they all work together and everything and this year they seem like they're in desperation mode.
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  the question about bringing to Demario Houston back and then this bit about Zach with all of his injuries and hard to guess what's there.
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  And then this week I heard a report that Dalton Shone in that banjo bowl where he tore his ACL that he had actually torn it a couple of weeks before and they hadn't got the imaging
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  back and let him go out and play anyway.
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  That does not seem like a team that seems like a team that's desperate rather than one that's focusing on what really matters.
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  My opinion.
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  can't really say that you're worried about the players as people when you are just rushing people back and making them play.
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  I don't know.
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  I don't, I don't.
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  Yeah, yeah, they're, yeah, they're, yeah, it seems like they're a team right now that knows where they stand, knows where they, where they're falling to and where they've
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  fallen from and are desperate to try to do anything to maintain their grasp.
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  But it's slipping away from them and sooner or later, they're going to have to recognize that.
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  been there, know, in 2018, 2019 for the Stampeters.
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  Understand how how frustrating that is when you see it going away, but you either make some moves early or you put up with four to five years of before you finally come around
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  again.
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  So that's what's going to.
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  Well, speaking of Ted, mean, how big of a loss was he for the bombers?
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  And maybe that's a big piece of why they cannot figure this out.
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  But we've all been there.
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  Every team has these issues.
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  It's not,
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  Rider fan here.
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  I have frequent points, frequent flyer points to there.
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  I've been there more than I've been a knot with the riders.
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  It's usually about a four or five year cycle.
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  ah Down again.
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  Okay, so...
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  team league and my team hasn't won since 1999.
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  you know.
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  Yes.
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  Yeah, but I think you still beat us in totals.
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  That's the one thing that gets so exciting about if the riders have a chance this year is the fact that, hey, it'd be the fourth, fifth time in history.
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  So they're all that much sweeter.
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  But I decided we had both the MJ's play this little game of ranking people lately.
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  And I got to hear a comment on the weekend, so I thought I'd try you guys on this now.
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  It was,
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  before we get into the game, I just wanna jump to something that I saw in the news, if you don't mind, old man, very quickly, very quickly.
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  it's, yeah, sorry, I didn't put it in the notes, but I saw a story tonight and I'll credit three down because that's where I saw it and I didn't get all the details.
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  waiting for, well, most of the details are in the story, but I am waiting for an update from the podcast that I listened to about U Sports and OUA Football in particular, who
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  are,
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  those guys are really knowledgeable.
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  So I'm looking for their comments as well.
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  But the story is, that next year, U-sports is changing their transfer rules for first and second year players.
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  So that after your first year, right now you're not allowed to transfer in most of the sports in U-sports.
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  You're not allowed to transfer schools and remain eligible for the following year.
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  You have to take an entire year off and you're not allowed to be eligible until your third year of school.
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  So as of next year, you're now going to be able to transfer after your first year and be able to play immediately in all sports, across U sports.
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  So for football, that's really important.
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  And it's going to be interesting because in Canada, we certainly don't see those kinds of transfers that you see all the time now that they have the portal in America and have made
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  it so easy that guys are just all over the place.
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  Every year, they're changing schools, following coaches, following so on, following whatever reason that they do decide to play.
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  or go somewhere else.
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  I don't think it'll come to that here, but I do think it opens up opportunities for players that are sitting behind other players on depth charts and feel there might be an
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  opportunity to move into a starting role in another program.
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  So I think you will start to see these players move around more.
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  Right now, it's usually four and five years at the same school for most players right now.
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  because you're also getting your degree, but you can transfer a degree fairly easily these days as well.
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  So I think it's going to make a difference in how U sports response and how they do allow it.
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  There's already been a couple of players that I've transferred in from American schools this year, both the UBC and the Laurier quarterbacks are in fact American, both Canadian
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  kids by birth or I believe,
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  but have been playing in the US and now have transferred back to U sports programs.
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  So I think it's just something that you're going to see more of.
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  And I think that's a pretty good deal and a pretty big thing that we're going to, that are going to help some of these other players get some exposure and some better coaching in
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  their positions as they move into starting positions.
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  And that might help us see them sooner and earlier in their career get CFL chances.
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  So I just thought it was important enough to bring that
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  No, that's like big for all sports.
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  It's the kind of thing that I don't know if it's going to be huge or absolutely nothing or somewhere in between.
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  I tend to agree with you.
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  think you'll probably see it as mostly in something where, either you're a backup on a stack team and you, like you said, you want to get a chance to go somewhere and start, or
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  if...
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  There's not that much difference in the levels of Canadian University Ball, but there are some areas that are lower.
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  And so the other thing that may happen is if you end up going in year one or two with one of the schools that doesn't perform so well and you really do well, you might want to try
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  and transfer somewhere that gets you more national exposure.
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  And I think that'll be probably the most of it.
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  Yeah, if you're at a place like York or U of T and all of sudden you can transfer over to Western or Queens, you're going to take that opportunity.
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  Or if you're the third or fourth running back at Western that they always have and all of a sudden a program like York or even Carlton or something like that, another program loses
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  their number one running back and doesn't have somebody to step in, you could transfer over there and all of sudden be the number one running back.
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  So guys, I think that's where it's going to impact.
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  Yeah, you may see some more transferring in and out of the Atlantic, because it's generally agreed they're sort of the lower of the four, but any thoughts on it MJ, or do
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  we move along?
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  what if you could only get accepted to say, yeah, like Mount Allison or U of A or something, and then you have a chance to transfer to Western or, you know, great.
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  But I mean, that applies for any sport.
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  What if you're a swimmer and a coach shows up at U of T who you really wanna work with and they want you and you're able to now transfer instead of being stuck?
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  Yeah, and it was
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  you need to transfer to a program that's closer to home.
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  Or there's lots of scenarios where I can switch schools whenever want, but if you're stuck in a scholarship program, you're stuck in a...
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  So this way, it's just a little more wiggle room for people.
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  Yeah, and they actually mentioned swimming as well.
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  think one of the ones that currently is eligible for transfers.
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  So you hit one right on.
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  So there are several sports that you can transfer now, but going forward, it's going to be all sports.
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  it's going to definitely, you know, it's going to definitely affect the football guys.
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  positive change and I applaud you sports yeah let anything that lets the players develop more and get their full talents on display all right so and thank you for saving my bacon
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  there GT I didn't have that on the rundown and I forgot I told you where we were gonna put it in and then I blew right past it like I was out my little sports car
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  This week we're doing the game and it got triggered by they said at one point on the game that Justin Rankin was averaging 12.7 yards a carry.
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  Now I don't know if that's on the season or for a game or what it is.
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  But they said, but that's only the 12th or sorry, that's only the fifth highest in the CFL history.
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  And I thought, wow, that's gotta be something else.
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  So I went looking to see who the highest yards per carry players were.
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  And I...
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  had real trouble.
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  I had to use AI on it, so some of this I think I've verified, but I'm not 100 % sure.
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  So we're talking running backs here, and we're talking the highest average, which amongst these five ranked one to five?
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  Number one being the highest average for the season, five being the lowest.
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  And this is yards per carry over a season.
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  Make sense?
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  uh
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  So we'll start the name started out with a classic name, George Reed.
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  Four.
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  Yeah, four.
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  Okay.
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  Here's one I don't I had to look this up.
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  didn't actually recognize it, but it's not that long ago.
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  Daniel Porter.
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  Do need a hint of who Daniel Porter was?
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  He played 2010 and 2012 with the Edmonton football team and 2011 with Hamilton.
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  And it was in 2010 with Edmonton that this was his best year.
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  I'm going to put them at three.
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  Five
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  Okay, Andrew Harris.
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  Uh, two.
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  too.
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  Did you say two MJ?
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  Okay, so we're both.
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  Yeah.
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  uh
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  so it'll be okay.
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  Alright, so that was Harris that we had there.
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  Okay, John Cornish.
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  One.
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  One.
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  Okay, and Mike Pringle.
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  Geez, well that's wrong.
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  uh
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  all-time rushing leader in the CFL.
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  Right, yeah.
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  it's yards per carry not total.
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  Well, I have to put them at three.
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  I have only five left and I know that's wrong but nonetheless I got about five.
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  uh
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  so let's run through these and see.
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  I've to remember who you took, but I didn't really mark it down.
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  So it's a bit of honesty on your part.
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  Number one, I think you both took John Cornish, right?
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  Yes.
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  Yes.
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  7.7 yards per carry in 2010 with the Stampeders So he's right.
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  Now when we move to number two, that's Daniel Porter of the Edmonton football team in 2010, 6.7 yards per carry.
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  Number three is George Reed in 1965 at 6.5 yards a carry.
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  Number four is Andrew Harris in 2019 at 6.1 yards a carry.
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  And Mike Pringle GT, you were right, is number five at 5.9 yards a carry in 1998.
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  So you weren't that far off with most of them.
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  Yeah, pretty good.
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  Not bad.
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  We got John Cornish right.
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  You got John Cornish right?
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  Hey, and GT got the Mike Pringle right?
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  And I think some of the others you were close, you know.
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  I just thought, like I said, I thought that was interesting.
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  but the biggest thing with it was this was all since basically the the the 90s or so and they were listings to them and I tried everywhere I could go to show me something else
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  because there's got to be a lot of good stuff in the back and even using the AI it just came back with
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  There's a lot of unverifiable information, but this is what we can say is true.
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  So those are the backs we got.
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  I think I'm gonna pull out somebody like Jesse Lumsden or something.
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  Yeah, well I was thinking about it.
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  In fact, if it had been easier to find the stuff, I was going to look for somebody that nobody had heard of that was the lowest possible yardage adage from somewhere like the 60s
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  that you might not have heard of and you'd be going, well, I don't know.
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  But that didn't work.
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  CFL.ca stats didn't have that.
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  I'm surprised that you weren't able to get those.
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  um
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  using that site?
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  It's terrible.
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  I've tried using it.
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  couldn't, I don't have a lot of luck with it and it wasn't great for giving me something where I could historically go back and just, I couldn't find a way to go back and just see
• 24:08
  who was the top yardage for carrier leader all the way through.
• 24:13
  It may be that I'm not very good.
• 24:15
  Cause like I said, I, yeah, I tend to avoid CFL stats cause it seems like.
• 24:19
  I I'm not bad at, I used to be not bad at research, but something on the way that page is set up, just, I end up banging my head into the, fore head into the wall after using it.
• 24:31
  Yeah, I've never really spent a lot of time there.
• 24:33
  I've heard various, you know, people degrade it and say it's terrible.
• 24:37
  But I just and then I've heard interviews with their statisticians and they seem like they really have a handle on it themselves.
• 24:46
  So I don't, you know, I may I don't know whether it's the system, whether it's still that genius sports nonsense or what it is that that but that should be something you should
• 24:54
  just be able to click and get all time rushing yards by and you should be able to just click a button and get that.
• 24:59
  So if they're not able to do that, that's a fail.
• 25:03
  you would think so.
• 25:03
  And I'm not saying you can't, but I don't know how.
• 25:06
  When I've looked on the page and tried to go very deep, they want you to understand statistics to a certain degree.
• 25:12
  And so you're putting in variables and changers and filters and that.
• 25:16
  And that's just not my jam.
• 25:18
  So anyway, move on to some other stuff like, the games this weekend.
• 25:25
  There were four of them.
• 25:26
  I said...
• 25:28
  to the folks here before we started the show that my opinion there was really one good game this weekend which was uh the Edmonton at Toronto.
• 25:36
  It had a bit of a playoff feel.
• 25:37
  The others I felt were kind of duds but we may as well head into them and that started Friday night with Winnipeg going into Hamilton and Hamilton taking it 32-21.
• 25:50
  Got anything to tell us about this MJ?
• 25:53
  Oh, I have notes.
• 25:54
  You know, was saying before this that the Ticats won, but I don't feel good about it.
• 26:00
  I don't think they played well.
• 26:01
  Yeah, let's get into it.
• 26:05
  Rod and Dwayne were wearing their Team Ted shirts in the booth, and that was really nice to see.
• 26:12
  And the Ticats did a really good job, and the Bombers as well, with Ted's...
• 26:17
  like basically Memorial, they had a fighter jet.
• 26:22
  And so it was just really nice to see.
• 26:24
  And then you just gotta kind of put that aside and go play football, right?
• 26:30
  But Ted would have wanted them to.
• 26:31
  So Strevler, he was 2-0 coming in.
• 26:35
  Jamal Peters intercepted him on that first drive and there it went.
• 26:39
  Though the TI Cats, this is why, yeah, third place.
• 26:43
  I don't say this because they got caught napping on that third down gamble.
• 26:48
  They didn't even have the right personnel on.
• 26:49
  They had an offside penalty, they had too many men penalty.
• 26:54
  And then Strevler, they just like threw it out to, I think it was Wheatfall and he was just nobody around him.
• 27:00
  Just out there on the side on his own, just chillin'.
• 27:04
  Easy peasy, could've flashed his Tyrell peace sign into the end zone, it was so wide open.
• 27:10
  Yeah, it was.
• 27:11
  they, that was the one, it not, where they were going for it on third and one and all lined up for it and Hamilton was trying to rush in the heavy bodies and left the receiver
• 27:20
  just unaccounted for.
• 27:23
  Easiest touchdown you'll ever get.
• 27:25
  almost looked like he did the old lay down on the sidelines and then jump up because there was nobody around him.
• 27:32
  Nobody picked him up.
• 27:34
  that was super embarrassing.
• 27:36
  I don't know what was going on with the turf that night, Brady was slipping it.
• 27:40
  There were players slipping all over the place.
• 27:43
  Someone joked it's because Tim Hortons isn't the sponsor, so they can't maintain the turf anymore.
• 27:47
  And I was like, guys, come on.
• 27:48
  But you never know when Hamilton.
• 27:51
  And then the tightcats had that terrible leg, that 30 yard punt.
• 27:56
  was like, you mind if I get Bo out there punting?
• 27:59
  And then, but then it was intercepted and the Ti- Cats got it back.
• 28:03
  So it was all, it was all for nothing.
• 28:05
  So it was fine.
• 28:06
  I will say this, the Thai Cats, this is all game long.
• 28:10
  They were so lucky they were playing the Bombers because they had major issues driving the ball on their own down the field.
• 28:17
  And they relied on the Bombers turning it over in the red zone.
• 28:20
  And then they would just do an easy punch in.
• 28:22
  But when they actually came to them trying to drive the ball themselves, just, well, kept, it didn't look, it didn't look great.
• 28:31
  Then Veresuk got injured and that was pretty scary situation, but he posted a picture, a video from the golf course saying he was fine.
• 28:40
  So he was, he's, he's good to go.
• 28:43
  Yeah.
• 28:43
  Yeah.
• 28:45
  Cause there have been some scary ones this year.
• 28:48
  why are people kicking field goals under the 15 yard line?
• 28:53
  Driving me insane.
• 28:56
  It's driving me insane.
• 28:57
  Stop, just stop doing it.
• 29:00
  so, nothing's more rage inducing than an 11 or 13 yard field goal and they both, both teams did it.
• 29:08
  They both did it.
• 29:11
  Let's see, for Winnipeg, Brady.
• 29:14
  mean, he 15 carries for 116 yards and he had 35 yards receiving and he basically like this is like my baseball reference.
• 29:24
  Like Brady right now is to the Bombers as Mike Trout is to the Angels.
• 29:29
  Like Mike Trout will do some ridiculous thing and then the Angels still lose.
• 29:34
  And this is kind of what Brady looks like in the bond.
• 29:36
  He just looks mad on the sidelines.
• 29:38
  Not even mad.
• 29:39
  He just looks sad on the sidelines.
• 29:42
  And I wonder, we were having a conversation in my house about where he might sign next year, because his contract's up.
• 29:49
  And not looking happy in Winnipeg.
• 29:53
  So we'll see.
• 29:54
  It'd be interesting because they don't really have someone to replace him the way they had him waiting in the lines when Harris went along.
• 30:02
  Yeah, and I have to agree with you.
• 30:03
  There was one point, I think about late in the first quarter that he managed to rip off like an eight or nine yard run and he got up and you know, it's the whole Brady head slap
• 30:13
  thing.
• 30:14
  I got up and he did that.
• 30:15
  But even that looked half-hearted to me.
• 30:18
  It looked like, I've got to pump the team up.
• 30:21
  I better do this.
• 30:23
  I'm sure they had a little chicken box dance in the end zone and they just play.
• 30:28
  He was having fun and he does not look like he's having any fun.
• 30:32
  ah then, yeah, well, I but there's games where he's basically been there entire office.
• 30:38
  Like he was rushing for 200 yards and like he, I mean.
• 30:43
  mean, that was something I used to tell the teams when I was coaching them.
• 30:47
  This is junior, or not even junior, this is like minor ball.
• 30:51
  And I said, so we're here to learn football, learn the basics of it, and to have fun doing it.
• 30:57
  And you know, every coach will say that, I do believe it.
• 30:59
  But I'll also tell you, you'll have a lot more fun if we win games.
• 31:02
  That always proves true.
• 31:04
  But I don't know, like your attitude when you're losing, just, mm, mm.
• 31:09
  And then the best part of this game was the onside kick that took almost three attempts, two and a half attempts.
• 31:17
  Use up your whole arsenal of ways you're going to try it onside.
• 31:21
  and then they almost got the third one and Scott's like, I want to decline an offside.
• 31:26
  No, let me please decline this penalty.
• 31:29
  I was like, oh, Scott, you ruined the fun.
• 31:31
  It was going to be fun.
• 31:33
  But and then, I mean, I'll just trot out my rant that I say every week about why you're down 19 in two minutes left.
• 31:43
  Why is Strevler still out there?
• 31:45
  they have no one else.
• 31:47
  Who else are you going to put out?
• 31:49
  doing?
• 31:49
  What's Wilson doing?
• 31:50
  They've, you know that at this point they have absolutely no confidence in him or else he would have been starting the game rather than Streavler So like it's not, you're down 19.
• 32:00
  They're not gonna, they don't, it's just not something that I don't think any team does is throw in the guy at that point.
• 32:07
  They just don't.
• 32:07
  Okay, if your backup never plays, how are they ever going to get live game experience?
• 32:14
  So when something does happen to your starter, they're not like, you've never taken a single rep in three years you've been on our team, you're not allowed to play.
• 32:25
  Why are we doing this?
• 32:26
  Why are teams doing this?
• 32:27
  It is maddening.
• 32:29
  It's maddening.
• 32:31
  I don't disagree with you.
• 32:33
  But I just, again, it's almost like, you said, it's just the way the games played for no apparent reason other than it's the way the games played.
• 32:42
  So yeah, like you almost have to either be so far ahead that you feel like, we're safe, which is very difficult.
• 32:52
  Or you have to be so far behind
• 32:55
  that you literally say, don't care anymore.
• 32:58
  We're giving the guy the third string or the second string guy the rep.
• 33:02
  And I don't think any coach wants to admit that.
• 33:04
  I don't think there's a single coach that wants to admit that, yeah, we're giving up because that's what you're doing.
• 33:11
  There used to be a time though when at halftime there'd always be a big discussion like, oh so and so is not playing very well.
• 33:18
  Is he going to start the second half?
• 33:21
  And a lot of times, no, he would not.
• 33:24
  Some they'd bring out the backup and he would start the second half.
• 33:27
  You're like, you're playing like garbage.
• 33:30
  I think again, you can do that if you have a second string guy that you have confidence in.
• 33:34
  But if you have no confidence in your second or third string guy, then you're not going to, like, mean, and you're right.
• 33:41
  I remember those days too.
• 33:43
  I think Saskatchewan could do that.
• 33:45
  If Trevor was having an off day, they've got Jake Maier there.
• 33:48
  And I think they could make that kind of decision.
• 33:50
  I think as Edmonton did eventually, they could have done that at some point where they went to Cody when Trey was struggling.
• 33:57
  Even in Montreal, they were set up for that kind of a situation.
• 34:02
  But when you've got a guy like Wilson that you have zero confidence in so far, and you've shown none of that confidence at all, then I think that's where you're not going to see
• 34:12
  that.
• 34:12
  Oh, well they used to do that with AC too.
• 34:14
  I remember one time he had his ankle was hurt and he was hobbling in the pocket and they didn't pull him.
• 34:21
  Like, hmm.
• 34:22
  exactly.
• 34:23
  Well, we'll be talking about a game later with that and see.
• 34:26
  But I agree with both of Like you said, GT yeah, there's only been twice that I remember this season, quarterbacks have been pulled.
• 34:34
  And when it's the teams were down already and weren't going to come back.
• 34:37
  So that made sense.
• 34:39
  I haven't, despite some very big leads, yeah, I haven't seen anybody sending the backup on a victory yet.
• 34:46
  Remind me next time we get to a slow week with not a lot of news or only three games or something and I'll do a little bit on an idea I have for a rule change that would help
• 34:55
  with that and that will drive everybody crazy.
• 34:58
  So we'll make them wait for that.
• 34:59
  Anything else on this game?
• 35:01
  Well, there's a couple of things that I wanted to just mention.
• 35:05
  I thought it was a running back game because I did see Brady slapping his helmet six minutes into the game and he had ripped off one as you put it and he ended up with 150
• 35:15
  yards offense.
• 35:17
  Greg Bell had a tremendous game as well for the Ti-cats and I think it really was a game dominated more by the running backs, the two running backs for both teams than the two
• 35:27
  quarterbacks passing because even Bo only had just over 200 yards.
• 35:31
  It was what you would call an efficient game for him.
• 35:33
  But it wasn't, you know, an outstanding down the field, even though Lawler made a couple of nice catches.
• 35:39
  So that was interesting.
• 35:40
  It left that.
• 35:41
  And then, yeah, there was the, you know, Tim White dropped right on cue when you needed him to make a catch, he dropped it.
• 35:47
  And then he redeemed himself a couple of plays later, so that's okay.
• 35:52
  But yeah, wasn't, it was, this, the weekend off with a game that just wasn't that great.
• 35:59
  And I think they kind of all followed suit for the rest of the weekend.
• 36:03
  Yeah, I felt like Hamilton kind of did the classic thing of playing down to their opposition and played just well enough to win the game, but not sparkling football.
• 36:16
  And again, I mean, it's neither here nor there, and I guess it makes no difference.
• 36:20
  But I was surprised that even, you know, there's under a minute to go, they're up by 11 on, I think the...
• 36:27
  gonna peg 30 or something and instead of kicking the field goal and taking three more points they just ran it once more and turned it over on downs which that's like I said I
• 36:36
  guess it makes no difference you're up two scores anyway but it just to me that felt like you know you just you don't want to be playing anymore
• 36:44
  Yeah, yeah.
• 36:46
  The only other thing I'll mention before we move on from the game was considering it had been set up as a tribute to Ted already and everything else that was going on and then the
• 36:56
  circumstances of the morning.
• 36:57
  I'm not sure if it was just television, but that stadium looked empty.
• 37:02
  I was really surprised.
• 37:03
  You know, there's always, oh, they're all down in the concourse area drinking and stuff going there.
• 37:10
  It looked like it was beyond that.
• 37:12
  I was just like, wow, it did not look like a good crowd at all in Hamilton.
• 37:17
  Then the numbers came out.
• 37:19
  saw some on Blue Sky, there's someone, an account that posts all the attendance numbers.
• 37:24
  And it actually looked like a nice attendance number, but it sure didn't look like it from the crowd shots that I saw.
• 37:30
  a beautiful night, Friday night, they're winning, so on and so forth.
• 37:35
  I just was surprised it didn't look like a very big crowd.
• 37:38
  And it didn't seem to have the energy you usually get at a Hamilton game.
• 37:42
  So whether that was because of what's happened with Ted, I'm not sure it could be, but...
• 37:48
  Anyway, I'll take us on to the next one and hopefully you guys can jump in a lot.
• 37:52
  I'll get us started on this since nobody's teams were in it, but...
• 37:57
  I don't have a whole lot to talk about with it.
• 37:59
  uh Ottawa 27 at BC 38.
• 38:03
  I was saying, I couldn't tell if the week before if it was the wind bothering Nathan or the Ottawa defense.
• 38:09
  Apparently it was the wind because the Ottawa defense could not do much to stop him at all.
• 38:15
  Crum was the starter for Ottawa.
• 38:17
  Give him full credit.
• 38:18
  He kept them in there, kept trying.
• 38:20
  He certainly...
• 38:22
  got a lot of heart.
• 38:23
  I said we got to get a name for the fans of him.
• 38:26
  Crumbler's doesn't quite sound right but something like that.
• 38:29
  But you know they it was sort of like that and it just again it wasn't a great game it felt like one that BC was going to win and that's kind of how it played out.
• 38:40
  Ottawa kept struggling to get back into it but something would happen either BC would just score at will again or
• 38:48
  at one point, Crum was, there was a strip sack on him, they got returned for a touchdown, and their, their O-line was not good at all.
• 38:55
  I thought that, that Boyd that left tackled was basically a turnstile in that game.
• 39:00
  So.
• 39:01
  Betts had four sacks by himself.
• 39:03
  his total for the year over in one game.
• 39:06
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 39:09
  I basically wrote down like four things.
• 39:12
  Nathan's hot, is not, but pretty good.
• 39:15
  Ottawa's defense again cannot stop BC.
• 39:20
  The BC defense is getting to Crum with the number of sacks.
• 39:23
  And then it was a high scoring game.
• 39:25
  Looking at the score, you think that's got to be an exciting game.
• 39:29
  But it wasn't exciting.
• 39:30
  It just didn't have any jump to it.
• 39:33
  And that's how I felt all the games were.
• 39:36
  They didn't have any jump to them at all.
• 39:39
  yeah, it was just a weird weekend where there was a lot of scoring going on, but somehow not a lot of excitement.
• 39:46
  It was so weird.
• 39:47
  Crum was the red-black's top rusher.
• 39:51
  had 58 yards rushing.
• 39:54
  then Lewis didn't get a pass thrown to him until the third.
• 39:58
  He had one target that whole game.
• 40:00
  Pimpleton, one target the whole game.
• 40:04
  And Lewis's catch, it was for two yards.
• 40:06
  What's going on there?
• 40:08
  That was ridiculous.
• 40:10
  then Lewis and Peters were fighting that whole game.
• 40:13
  Guys, the ball's not even coming to you.
• 40:16
  Just like, your jets.
• 40:17
  You're just like so bored over there.
• 40:20
  You're so bored.
• 40:21
  You're just gonna start fighting with each other.
• 40:24
  I just, oh, like, but Addison had a good game.
• 40:30
  The Lions had no answer to Addison.
• 40:32
  Like, that was, he did play well.
• 40:35
  And then, I have like a couple of fun points.
• 40:39
  This was the...
• 40:40
  the theme night for the Lions, was campus night and I had to look up what a frat wedding was like, ugh, BC, thanks a lot, I didn't wanna know anything about that, but there was a
• 40:51
  frat wedding, which is just like a little joke, ha ha.
• 40:54
  And then there was a Pamela Anderson lookalike contest, so that was kinda fun.
• 40:59
  And then my TSN shady moment, at the end, the end of the game, TSN panned in tight on Rick Campbell.
• 41:09
  And in the background you could see Bob, but they were tight on Rick with Bob just in the background.
• 41:15
  Yeah, asking a question without asking a question, yeah.
• 41:18
  they were just like, gonna, just framing a shot for you.
• 41:22
  But I just, I don't know, I was watching this game because of the podcast and my husband's lion's fan and this game, you're right, it was high scoring, but I was just like, could
• 41:30
  this game please be over?
• 41:31
  How is this game not over?
• 41:32
  I am so bored and I just want to go to bed.
• 41:36
  It's on so late and yeah, yeah.
• 41:41
  But history was made on that game Friday night.
• 41:45
  First time I have seen yet that Dustin Crumb slid after a run.
• 41:51
  Ha
• 41:51
  There was one occasion where he didn't just run over everybody in his way.
• 41:55
  He did what a quarterback is supposed to do and shocked the hell out of me.
• 41:58
  I was worried he was gonna get hurt this game.
• 42:02
  I was like, no, no, slide, slide.
• 42:05
  There's no one, well, they have shills.
• 42:07
  So, you know, I don't know.
• 42:09
  Yeah, yeah, and then Tyree Adams around there somewhere and stuff.
• 42:12
  But I did hear an interview with him not after this game, but the one the week before, and I think it was in the TSN at the end of the game, and they were asking him about the
• 42:22
  sliding, and I thought it was pretty smart on his part.
• 42:24
  He said, you know, he said, if I was here as starter for 18 games, I'd have to be doing that because you can't play the way that I'm doing for 18 games and let me make it through
• 42:33
  a season.
• 42:33
  But right now...
• 42:35
  I'm the backup just in here trying to win whatever I can and that's what I'm doing.
• 42:40
  um Controversially, should he have won that starting job at a trading camp?
• 42:44
  No, absolutely not.
• 42:46
  No, absolutely not.
• 42:48
  He's not a starting quarterback.
• 42:50
  He's Chris Streavler from last year or the year before with us with that control the ball better as he's learned as we've seen on the other night because he threw for over 300
• 43:00
  yards.
• 43:01
  So he's actually a better than Chris Strelver but he's not a starting quarterback as proven by the record since he's been playing.
• 43:07
  He's not a starting quarterback.
• 43:09
  He's a four game guy and hope you win two of the four and then look more than four.
• 43:13
  you're in trouble because he can't win on a consistent basis.
• 43:17
  He just can't.
• 43:18
  And he's not helped by his defense by any means, but no quarterback and odd wise helped by their defense, which their back end has been horrible for years.
• 43:27
  And when you're paying, you know, a guy like Drew Brown, the money, especially coming out of training camp.
• 43:33
  Yeah, there's there's no way he should have been.
• 43:35
  That's not a controversy at all in my mind now drew Brown being injured Maybe going forward you have to think about is Drew Brown your guy, but I don't think that makes I
• 43:46
  don't think that elevates Dustin Crumb to being your guy because you if it's not Drew Brown You have to look elsewhere
• 43:52
  I am pretty worried about Drew and these injuries and wondering if that's going to turn into a pattern.
• 44:01
  Which is too bad.
• 44:02
  showed his full in practice.
• 44:04
  Sorry, he showed his full in practice today.
• 44:06
  But what that means, I don't know.
• 44:07
  And with Crumb, like I said, I absolutely love his heart and the fact that he'll do anything that he possibly needs to or can do to win the game.
• 44:17
  I also love the fact that he does look like he's a I've said it before, no disrespect to him, but he he strikes me as looking more like a lost goof out there.
• 44:25
  It's stumbling around, but somehow makes plays and
• 44:28
  I would agree with you, JT, he's not a starter right now, but he's been in this league three years.
• 44:33
  If he improves his passing over the next year or two, as much as he's done from when he first started, he could be a competent starter in the league.
• 44:42
  I don't think he is ever going to be someone who's going to be a, you know, 5,000 yard passer, but he could be a competent game manager with a team that had a good defense.
• 44:51
  not right now, but if he keeps improving the rate he has been.
• 44:55
  Yeah, I think I still think and I've said from the get-go when we first started even in the first year when we saw those crazy crumbbacks as they're called, like his decision
• 45:08
  making just isn't there.
• 45:10
  And I don't think it's there now.
• 45:12
  And I'm worried that his decision making, I do believe he is a better passer and he's getting to be better, but I still don't see the decisions even three years in and even
• 45:20
  with the amount of starts he's had over the last two years when Drew Brown's been injured.
• 45:25
  Well, he certainly didn't have any time to make decisions on Friday.
• 45:28
  That's sure!
• 45:30
  he had no help.
• 45:30
  And that's another area that Ottawa spent all those draft choices on offensive line over the years and they still now have not managed to have a decent offensive line in years, no
• 45:41
  matter who they put out there.
• 45:42
  Yep.
• 45:43
  I think we beat this one to death.
• 45:44
  Anything more?
• 45:46
  No?
• 45:46
  Well, we don't have Calgary this week for you to take the lead on GT, but I'm guessing you were at the game in Toronto.
• 45:53
  And so we'll maybe let you take that.
• 45:56
  I'm just going to make one comment to start this off because this occurred to me about two thirds of the way through this.
• 46:02
  Is Cody Fajardo the CFL's version of Rudy?
• 46:05
  Rudy, Rudy.
• 46:07
  You're too small, you can't do it.
• 46:08
  Rudy, Rudy just keeps coming back.
• 46:11
  People keep telling him, you're not good enough and he keeps right on, he just doesn't give up.
• 46:17
  Hmm.
• 46:19
  Well, also, okay.
• 46:21
  Well, I think kind of think if Rudy was right, didn't he never play except for one down as well?
• 46:27
  So, you know, we're still going to.
• 46:30
  Yeah, yeah.
• 46:31
  but it's got that bit of a vibe to it.
• 46:33
  You got to feel for Cody.
• 46:34
  just, you know, they knock him down and they say, oh, you you get us to the Western final in Saskatchewan.
• 46:40
  No, that's not good enough.
• 46:41
  You win a great cup in Montreal.
• 46:43
  No, that's not good enough.
• 46:44
  So he's back in the back up in Edmonton and all of a sudden he's the savior again.
• 46:49
  Well, okay, so let's talk about the game, because I'll talk about Cody as well as part of that, because he did next to nothing that game.
• 46:57
  So as much as he might be the savior, the emperor's clothes are coming off to do another paraphrase, because he's looking pretty naked after that game, that, I mean, you look at
• 47:09
  the points that they scored, what was the final score of that game?
• 47:14
  31, 31.
• 47:15
  31-30, and I believe if I'm not mistaken, at least 21 of those, if not more of those points came off a turnover.
• 47:24
  So they were handed 24.
• 47:27
  So drives that they sustained and drove down the field weren't happening.
• 47:33
  Toronto's defense basically ate them up for that game.
• 47:36
  And it was not, so it was Nick Arbuckle doing his best Chad Kelly impersonation and throwing into the arms of the opponent every other time that he got on the field.
• 47:45
  So that's what happened in that game.
• 47:48
  And it happened from the beginning to the end until Chad left or until Nick left the game, Arbuckle left the game.
• 47:55
  And they, and he shouldn't even come back in when we'll talk about that too.
• 47:59
  But that, but uh they, they just did everything wrong.
• 48:03
  That was the, that was the worst first half I've watched live in a football game in a long, long time by a team, by the Argos.
• 48:11
  um And they did everything wrong and yet still they were in the game They had no right in winning that came at all Even the guys on the Argos podcast that after the game they had
• 48:21
  no right to win that game.
• 48:22
  It's six turnovers You know, lost that was incredible and they still managed to win the game that tells you again about how I Edmonton's offense was operating when when your
• 48:33
  defense is giving you six turnovers and you can't win that says something as well,
• 48:37
  So yeah, anyways, by the end of the second quarter when they finally got on those three points, they desperately needed those to turn the game around.
• 48:46
  And I'm glad they did.
• 48:47
  That call on the first third and one when they went for it in the first quarter on third and one, and they went in the shotgun, it was just like, what are you guys doing?
• 48:58
  They weren't even lined up right from up in the stands.
• 49:01
  We could see their players didn't even know what positions they were supposed to be in.
• 49:05
  They were waving the receivers into position.
• 49:09
  It was just a botched play from the beginning.
• 49:12
  And then they did the exact same play again and botched it again on a third and one.
• 49:16
  I mean, it was just terrible, just terrible.
• 49:20
  They were lucky to get out of that half with three points.
• 49:24
  And Edmonton should have had way more points, but they couldn't generate anything because Toronto was getting to Cody on a regular basis.
• 49:33
  if I can jump in JT, I do agree with you there and I think that three points was gifted to them because that was a rookie coaching mistake.
• 49:41
  The elk could easily have walked out of that, run out the clock and walked out with a shutout in the first half.
• 49:48
  But they decided to play silly buggers and end up giving them the ball back with time for a field goal, which was the margin of victory in the end.
• 49:56
  And they took a time count uh violation before that.
• 49:59
  So they ended up having to punt from their end zone instead of from the 10 yard line.
• 50:03
  So I mean, that was again ridiculous on behalf of Edmonton.
• 50:09
  Jordan Williams, ex Toronto Argonaut, defensive lineman that signed with Edmonton, I just think last week, he made
• 50:19
  two or three plays and was all over the Argos bench.
• 50:23
  He was just everywhere and just, you could all, it was emphatic the amount of noise he was making towards the Argos bench.
• 50:30
  So it was kind of interesting to watch.
• 50:32
  um And then he was definitely the pretender in the building.
• 50:38
  And then they came out in the second half and again, they made some adjustments or Dinwiddie yelled at them or whatever.
• 50:44
  but they came out and had a nice 81 yard drive to get back close.
• 50:48
  And then after that, it just kind of settled down and it was like, yeah, again, not much going on back and forth, close, but not close, close, but not close.
• 50:56
  And then that scoop and score changed everything and the place went wild.
• 51:01
  The energy in the building when that happened was over the top.
• 51:06
  It was only, I will give Toronto fans credit because when there are 15,000 people in that building,
• 51:12
  It's so loud you can't hear yourself.
• 51:15
  And if you've never been to a game at BMO, it's an experience.
• 51:19
  really is.
• 51:20
  their in stadium announcements are way too loud.
• 51:23
  It's, it's annoying and it's irritating But the crowd itself is just terrific.
• 51:30
  Really is terrific.
• 51:31
  And they really made it difficult.
• 51:33
  for Edmonton late in the game and they really brought their defense up and I think they did a great job.
• 51:40
  And then once they were up by that point, you couldn't hear yourself for the rest of the game.
• 51:45
  right after that was when Arbuckle went into the tent and we were watching and I said, the tent's up, who's in the tent?
• 51:51
  So myself and my brother-in-law, who I go with, we were scanning and we're looking along the bench and
• 51:57
  We're like, oh, we don't see Arbuckle.
• 51:59
  I bet you that's him in the tent.
• 52:01
  Then they brought him out of the tent and he could barely walk.
• 52:04
  He could barely walk.
• 52:05
  So then they put him back in the game and he immediately threw an interception because he couldn't stand and he couldn't plant.
• 52:12
  So that ball was a duck going up and they shouldn't have put it in, shouldn't have put him back in.
• 52:17
  That did him no disservice at all.
• 52:19
  And then finally, when Deggy went in there, he threw two beauties.
• 52:22
  Those were perfect passes.
• 52:24
  So.
• 52:24
  talk about quarterbacks going in at the last minute without a lot of prep.
• 52:28
  He went in and he did his job and got them down there and then they kicked that field goal to win it.
• 52:33
  And then a brouhaha ensued and we're all like, what's going on?
• 52:37
  Wow, that's getting testy down there.
• 52:39
  And then we all read about it and saw it all after the game, but because we didn't see it live, it was just a massive crowd noise.
• 52:46
  that's how it ended.
• 52:48
  It was all fun.
• 52:49
  And as I say, was good for me.
• 52:52
  Yeah, there you go.
• 52:53
  It's all about you.
• 52:54
  We didn't do a segment for it.
• 52:55
  should have.
• 52:56
  I'll say on TV that stuff with Arbuckle was fairly obvious, but after the interception, he threw a touchdown on that bad on one leg, did he not?
• 53:07
  I think he played one more series and threw a touchdown for it.
• 53:10
  I could be wrong, but I was sitting there thinking...
• 53:14
  thought he was injured, but it didn't show up as much.
• 53:16
  Then he threw the touchdown, then he went into the tent, then he threw the interception, then they pulled him.
• 53:22
  That's how I remember.
• 53:23
  could be that one, but, you know, I was saying to myself, Shades of Byron Leythowich are we gonna have the old linemen carrying him down the field to make the next play?
• 53:33
  It was fun.
• 53:34
  What you got MJ?
• 53:36
  Oh well, poor Nick.
• 53:39
  That felt so bad for him.
• 53:42
  Nothing worse than watching a quarterback hobbling around.
• 53:46
  It's tough.
• 53:49
  That nonsense after the end of the game.
• 53:51
  So many people, so many people are like, this is because the benches are on the same side.
• 53:56
  And I'm like, no, that's not the issue.
• 53:59
  That's not the issue because other major sports have benches and benches and all their stuff on the same side of the field.
• 54:07
  it's not because of that.
• 54:08
  And I thought what Ryan did, what he did was extremely embarrassing.
• 54:13
  I don't mind the daggy stuff and the daggy thing where he's like,
• 54:17
  the it out, they cut me, I thought that was kinda funny.
• 54:19
  But it was completely overshadowed by Brian Dinwiddie completely losing it.
• 54:24
  And then I got accused this week of being the no fun police and I was like, I am all about the fun.
• 54:30
  I love, if you wanna point and say ice in the veins, fantastic, you wanna make a big like first down sign and like lord it over everyone?
• 54:40
  Be my guest?
• 54:41
  You wanna make a bobsled touchdown celebration?
• 54:44
  Or a bowling one?
• 54:46
  Fantastic.
• 54:47
  You wanna jump into Pilsner country and drink a beer?
• 54:50
  Great.
• 54:50
  Hilarious.
• 54:52
  My all time favorite is when all the Thai cats jumped into the boat at the Bombers game.
• 54:56
  Hilarious.
• 54:57
  Great.
• 54:58
  Do it.
• 54:59
  We all have a great time.
• 55:01
  So much fun.
• 55:02
  So much fun.
• 55:03
  It's...
• 55:04
  What Ryan did is not funny.
• 55:07
  and it's not fun.
• 55:08
  you know what, honestly, also I was thinking about today and if it is true that some of the Elks coaches were also beaking off and being ridiculous, then Mark Killam needs to
• 55:21
  figure that out because that's also not okay.
• 55:24
  Coaches having meltdowns at each other on the sidelines is not okay.
• 55:30
  I expect that from some players, but I expected on the field.
• 55:33
  And then, know, Dave Alexander chirp and to Lawler a bit hilarious.
• 55:37
  Like, you know, we all have a little bit of fun and it's whatever, but that, there's a line to be crossed and again, Ryan and co have crossed the line again.
• 55:48
  So clean it up boys.
• 55:49
  I hope they all get fined.
• 55:51
  I suspect they all will get fined.
• 55:53
  Yeah.
• 55:54
  oh
• 55:57
  yes, another place that's not really happyville in the CFL right now.
• 56:02
  No, and you know what's embarrassing because the Argos have so much like media on them because of this Bills MLS thing and then that's the stuff you pull at the game right after
• 56:11
  and it's a John Candy night and so there's lots of media and this is what you pull like I don't know who you try I don't know who you think you are but anyway just Neither team
• 56:22
  were played great.
• 56:23
  So you didn't even have like what are you even trying to say?
• 56:25
  You you didn't even play well
• 56:27
  And now your star quarterbacks hurt.
• 56:29
  And don't forget, we're not exactly talking about an organization that is a radiated class with their decisions lately.
• 56:35
  So, oh well.
• 56:37
  The one thing that I did enjoy, well, actually, like I said, to me, this was the best game of the weekend and it wasn't a great game.
• 56:42
  So that tells you sort of where it went.
• 56:44
  But I think probably the point of the game that I enjoyed the most was where Jumpin' Jake Hurslow decided to do one of his hurdles and the Edmonton DB took him on face up and
• 56:55
  smacked him right in the head with it.
• 56:58
  Took a penalty for it, which is unfortunate, but I think it'll slow down the hurdling from here on because that was a That was a hell of a hit
• 57:07
  do you think they have like a group chat and they're like, this guy's going down.
• 57:11
  Like we've all had enough.
• 57:14
  It could be, I don't know, yeah.
• 57:16
  That's the thing about the hurdles.
• 57:19
  If it looks, when you do it right, it can look great, but when it doesn't work, it can be painful.
• 57:24
  Yeah, was an immediate penalty and it should have been because it was helmet to helmet and it was crown to crown as well.
• 57:31
  So I don't know why the DB was so upset afterwards about getting a penalty for it.
• 57:37
  Sometimes that's what I just go, guys, shake your head.
• 57:40
  You gotta know that you hit them with your helmet.
• 57:43
  Come on, that's a penalty.
• 57:45
  There was so much though.
• 57:49
  I mean, the Dinwiddie stuff at the end was over the top and I think it was uncalled for.
• 57:57
  But there was a lot going on in that game between, as I say, by players and if the coaches, you said, MJ, from what we heard as well, there was Edmonton coaches chirping as
• 58:07
  well.
• 58:08
  Then that should have been stopped at some point.
• 58:12
  Killam should have got all of those guys together and said, okay, enough, know, because that can come back to hurt you.
• 58:17
  You can't put it all on Dinwiddie but Dinwiddie certainly exasperated the situation.
• 58:25
  So.
• 58:26
  Yeah, it takes two to tango, but...
• 58:29
  you should have been strategizing.
• 58:33
  You could have won a game, but you were too busy beaking off.
• 58:37
  Exhausting.
• 58:38
  Well, I think that a couple of things happened in this game that it was the coaching that lost it for the Elk, including that, what I talked about earlier, that end of the half
• 58:48
  play where they gave up the field goal.
• 58:50
  just, yeah, it did not seem like it was a coherent, well-coached game on their part.
• 58:56
  And another walk-off field goal to win it for HAJRULLAHU So I think that's the second of this season for him.
• 59:04
  Oh, I notice even just like the games this weekend, we're kind of low energy.
• 59:10
  When you start talking about some of these things, it's hard to keep up with it.
• 59:15
  But anything else there or do we go on to the, um, well, I guess that was the last game of the weekend, wasn't it?
• 59:20
  So we can move on to the, no, it was, it was the last real game of the weekend.
• 59:26
  Montreal 48 at Saskatchewan 31.
• 59:29
  And I got to say the
• 59:31
  TSN used to do the TSN turning point of the game.
• 59:35
  And if they still did it, the turning point of the game in this one was the pregame when they announced that both their safeties who were game time decisions, the decision was
• 59:45
  bad.
• 59:46
  They weren't in.
• 59:47
  So they were playing back there.
• 59:48
  Saskatchewan had basically the scout team.
• 59:51
  know, I, in fact, I said afterwards, it's really kind of insulting to Montreal to suggest they could lose this one because they were basically playing the scout.
• 59:59
  secondary.
• 1:00:00
  Two first-time starters at corner.
• 1:00:02
  They both been in, well one's been in the league longer but strictly as XMA as special teams and that.
• 1:00:07
  So him starting first time and the same thing over on the other side.
• 1:00:11
  You've already got your third string safety in there and then partway through the game you lose your Sam linebacker which is really the sixth part of the secondary.
• 1:00:19
  I was told early in my coaching career there's
• 1:00:22
  Some games that no matter what you do, you're going to win them.
• 1:00:26
  And there's some games probably, you know, they're one or two games a year.
• 1:00:29
  No matter what you do, you're going to win them one or two games a year.
• 1:00:31
  You're going to, no matter what you do, you're going to lose them.
• 1:00:34
  This was the one for the riders, the football gods turned on them.
• 1:00:37
  And yeah, it was, it was sloppy.
• 1:00:40
  had no, well, the, the Als had every right to, to the points they got because they were taking full advantage of the
• 1:00:47
  the inexperienced players in there.
• 1:00:49
  the riders should not have had the riders played not bad offensively, but they should have had the points ahead.
• 1:00:54
  Once Montreal got the lead, they didn't go into a full prevent, but they backed off quite a bit and gave up probably at least the last touchdown Harris threw.
• 1:01:03
  And then when they pulled Harris with about three minutes left and put Maier he got a touchdown and neither one of those would have been touchdowns if Montreal was playing any
• 1:01:12
  sort of an aggressive defense.
• 1:01:15
  To me the only other credit was at the end of the game whether it was the backups that were in there or the ones they put in and that they were still playing hard right to the
• 1:01:23
  last whistle so I take something from that but otherwise
• 1:01:26
  Not a lot, I would think not a lot of you could expect different and I don't know how much there is to talk about.
• 1:01:32
  There were some very good individual plays in the game, but that's sort of my take on it.
• 1:01:36
  How do you guys think, what did you see in here?
• 1:01:39
  Well, I saw, well, my notes that basically MBT is on fire for first time in the year.
• 1:01:46
  Philpotts on fire.
• 1:01:48
  looks like the guy that's back.
• 1:01:50
  That was the Canadian player of the year a couple of years ago.
• 1:01:54
  And the riders were in buy mode.
• 1:01:55
  They were just like, they were going into the buy and it looked like it.
• 1:01:59
  They just looked like they had nothing going on.
• 1:02:01
  And they looked like Calgary the week before against Edmonton where they were just like, yeah, we've got a couple of injuries.
• 1:02:07
  We're just going to try to get out of this game.
• 1:02:09
  and go home and chill for a week.
• 1:02:11
  And it you know, sure, we're going to play but we're not going to play.
• 1:02:15
  That's how it looked.
• 1:02:16
  And then it's just a burn the tape game.
• 1:02:18
  And you know, I what did I say last week, the Riders were primed to lose the game that they lose once every year at home against a quarterback that they don't deserve to lose
• 1:02:27
  to.
• 1:02:28
  And that's what they did.
• 1:02:29
  So I think I went for it.
• 1:02:31
  Yeah, I went for it.
• 1:02:34
  if I remember correctly, because of that.
• 1:02:36
  And the only other note is Montreal may have found a running back in Stevie Scott.
• 1:02:42
  I mean, he looked tremendous.
• 1:02:43
  again, was that the, they don't have any tape on him, so they don't know how he moves or where he moves and what he likes to do or whether, is that a one game thing or not?
• 1:02:55
  But yeah, Montreal looked real good again.
• 1:02:57
  And if they get decent quarterbacking and they're, and Mustapha Johnson had a great game on the defensive line.
• 1:03:04
  and he's a big piece that they just got back.
• 1:03:07
  So Montreal may be rounding back into form, and they may yet make us all right when we pick them to win the East.
• 1:03:15
  They may yet win the East.
• 1:03:18
  Yeah, that is entirely possible with it.
• 1:03:22
  I mean, frankly, was, again, I thought it was very easy for MBT to look good because the pre-read was, I'm throwing it over to the right, you know, but full credit to them for
• 1:03:34
  that.
• 1:03:34
  And frankly, even if the riders had their full defense in there and whatnot, they made two or three mistakes early in the game, interceptions, fumbles.
• 1:03:43
  Mm-hmm.
• 1:03:44
  stuff like that.
• 1:03:44
  So there is something to what you said there too GT.
• 1:03:47
  Their heads just didn't seem to be in it.
• 1:03:50
  And I thought that, they should have been capable of much better than that.
• 1:03:55
  Or no, maybe that's not even true because Montreal has a very good defense.
• 1:03:58
  In fact, I thought that was kind of the irony of this game is that you've got the
• 1:04:04
  two of the three better defenses in the league there and you've put up 81 points.
• 1:04:09
  But really it was just the way that it turned out one defense wounded and the other one saying, well, you know what, we can give up some ground and some points because we've got
• 1:04:18
  an 18 point lead and we'll just, anytime they score, we'll march it down and refresh it and we'll be back to 18 points.
• 1:04:24
  Yeah, what do I have a few things?
• 1:04:26
  Maltose missed two field goals.
• 1:04:28
  One was so far off.
• 1:04:32
  But it must have been a bad hold.
• 1:04:34
  I'll give it and say it was a bad hold, but he did not flex that whole game after that.
• 1:04:40
  After any field goal, there was no flexing.
• 1:04:43
  think he was pretty upset with himself.
• 1:04:46
  um Their punter punted once.
• 1:04:48
  I felt bad for Exumae.
• 1:04:52
  Honestly, people just ripped him to shreds and I was like, man, he doesn't even play that position.
• 1:05:00
  I don't know, are they not allowed, like surely maybe they should have switched some DBs around in the middle of that game or something to just like give him a break.
• 1:05:12
  Well, no, but who was covering Mac?
• 1:05:14
  Who was covering?
• 1:05:15
  There was other receivers on the field who had a deep, like they could have carouseled them around a bit, I think, just to give him a break.
• 1:05:23
  But.
• 1:05:24
  the one thing that you could have could have done is swap the corners and put Sapp over there.
• 1:05:30
  what do you know, as a as a first gamer, would he have been any better?
• 1:05:33
  And the thing is, that was also if you looked again, no all 24.
• 1:05:37
  I'm not going to whine about it, but I'm seeing what I can see just on the TV.
• 1:05:42
  But that was part of what Scott.
• 1:05:44
  where Scott took off with his running yards too, because they were, they'd gone into defensive concepts that were trying to do everything they could to help the people on the
• 1:05:53
  back end.
• 1:05:54
  They were running basically six men in the box for a large part of that game.
• 1:05:58
  And that's gonna get you run on.
• 1:06:00
  But they were saying at least, okay, if he runs for eight, 10 yards at a time, we're not giving up a 45 yarder down the sideline again with it.
• 1:06:08
  So the...
• 1:06:10
  passing game did impact the running game on there.
• 1:06:13
  Also, I think they said Scott himself on the sidelines at one point when somebody was congratulating him, said, hey, fresh legs.
• 1:06:20
  And there's something to that.
• 1:06:22
  When everybody else has played 15 games and you're on your first one, you got a little more bounce in your step.
• 1:06:30
  I'm like TSN who every time Scott had a big run panned in tight on Thies and his street clothes.
• 1:06:37
  Yeah.
• 1:06:38
  Yeah.
• 1:06:40
  They did that to Sean Thomas Ehrlington the week before too, Yes.
• 1:06:43
  yeah, and then um, the other thing is like MBT for as good as the game he had he just he cannot help himself He was calling out receivers on the field Over a missed pass and I was
• 1:06:57
  like, oh, there's MBT just cannot keep it He's got a temper.
• 1:07:02
  He cannot keep it under control
• 1:07:05
  And then speaking of tempo, there was two bad horse collar, there was two horse collar tackles and this is where that rule changes here.
• 1:07:12
  There was two horse collar attackers, 15 yards, each of them put the other team on the one yard line for a touchdown.
• 1:07:21
  and then there was a big man, Tuddy.
• 1:07:23
  I love a big man, like that was so happy for him.
• 1:07:28
  Yeah.
• 1:07:29
  the that on the the horse callers, especially the one from Montreal, I did not understand that one at all because he horse called him as a rider player was running out of bounds.
• 1:07:40
  He grabbed him and basically yanked him back onto the field with the horse caller.
• 1:07:46
  I don't know what obviously a mental error on the defense there, but.
• 1:07:51
  Yeah.
• 1:07:53
  But yeah, it was kind of a silly game.
• 1:07:55
  They made Montreal look good.
• 1:07:57
  My kid was extremely thrilled.
• 1:07:59
  We'll see how they do next week.
• 1:08:02
  Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 1:08:04
  Like I say, no taking away from Montreal, full credit.
• 1:08:06
  They had to go out and play what they did there with it.
• 1:08:10
  And it is, but it was a, or and it is a injured rider team.
• 1:08:15
  And then another thing which seems to be becoming a trend this season, and I haven't seen it before this bad, is the number of teams that are going into bye weeks and are just...
• 1:08:25
  basically almost not showing up the last week before the buy.
• 1:08:28
  It's a weird year for that.
• 1:08:30
  Well, I think it didn't help that they were also coming off a two big bomber victory, you know, where they come off of both the Banjo Bowl and Labor Day, and those were their two
• 1:08:39
  games.
• 1:08:40
  this was almost, and then they had this one.
• 1:08:42
  This was the classic trap game, even though Montreal, you don't consider them an opponent for a trap game.
• 1:08:50
  I think this really was going with that bye coming up.
• 1:08:53
  became a trap game for Saskatchewan.
• 1:08:56
  So I really do think as you said their heads just weren't in it and it looked like it from the get-go and then they were just you know They just checked out and they played but they
• 1:09:05
  as I say, I don't think they played with the with the Mindset that they need to win a game that would have been important if it had been a very important game if they weren't up You
• 1:09:16
  know if they weren't already 10 and 2 if they weren't up by 2.2 games on the stampeters
• 1:09:21
  if they weren't going into a bye, so on and so forth.
• 1:09:24
  If they needed to make a statement, they would have probably approached it differently, and I think you would have seen a different game.
• 1:09:31
  it's not like I'm worried about the, I don't think anybody should be jumping off of bridges if there are any in Regina, because of that game by any means.
• 1:09:42
  Yeah, all this did was put some wind in the Alouettes at sales.
• 1:09:45
  but it's about a three foot drop to the water.
• 1:09:48
  So you're not going to...
• 1:09:52
  Sorry, I missed you were saying something.
• 1:09:54
  no this game worries me because I put a little wind in the alouette sails.
• 1:09:59
  This is a good confidence boost for them.
• 1:10:01
  Yeah.
• 1:10:03
  it makes the race in the West more interesting again.
• 1:10:06
  Yes it does, lightens it up.
• 1:10:08
  This week will be interesting.
• 1:10:11
  yeah, it's gonna be very interesting to see who gets first place and who gets third place, because they're both...
• 1:10:17
  Well, those things are possibly up for grabs there for stuff.
• 1:10:22
  I mean, Edmonton, they, on TV, they didn't look as bad as what you said it made sound live.
• 1:10:30
  I it kind of felt like a playoff game to me.
• 1:10:32
  And I thought it looked like they were doing better than obviously they were there, but they're, you know, they're what four out of their last, or I guess four out of their last
• 1:10:41
  six now, they are coming along and BC.
• 1:10:44
  I don't, I'm sorry, as good as Nathan can be at times, I just cannot see BC winning a whole bunch of games unless something changes on that defense.
• 1:10:54
  So it could, to me it could be any one of the Edmonton, BC or Winnipeg taking third by the time the season's over.
• 1:11:02
  Yeah, I don't know what their schedules are like.
• 1:11:05
  I know Edmonton, I'm not sure how, you know, that's going to be interesting.
• 1:11:09
  I'd have to look at their schedules to see where they stack up against each other, particularly at this time of year.
• 1:11:14
  So yeah, I'm not sold on that.
• 1:11:17
  I'm still not sold on Edmonton.
• 1:11:19
  Ryan told us that the Elks are just going to enjoy the off season, so I mean, what else is there to say?
• 1:11:26
  yeah, that could be.
• 1:11:27
  I don't know that I would pick them as my first choice to get into third, but I wouldn't put it outside of them because so much will depend on what's happening as well with
• 1:11:39
  Winnipeg in their quarterback situation.
• 1:11:42
  I've written Winnipeg off.
• 1:11:43
  They're refusing to rule Zach out for the game this week.
• 1:11:46
  They're saying he may play.
• 1:11:47
  I do not like this.
• 1:11:49
  It's such a, they should listen to Milt a little bit more maybe.
• 1:11:53
  well, we're losing.
• 1:11:56
  I feel like we're all losing energy.
• 1:11:57
  We're getting towards the end of this here.
• 1:12:00
  We'll be under an hour and a half maybe, depending how quickly we our picks.
• 1:12:03
  That'd be weird.
• 1:12:03
  So let's just jump into it for next week.
• 1:12:06
  And I think I've even got the right teams up here.
• 1:12:08
  Could be some interesting ones.
• 1:12:10
  Game one Friday, the early game on Friday, Montreal at Toronto.
• 1:12:14
  all Montreal.
• 1:12:15
  hearing Jared Dague and I'm thinking MBT probably.
• 1:12:18
  Yeah, Montreal.
• 1:12:21
  Yeah, I...
• 1:12:22
  Yeah.
• 1:12:22
  Yeah, coming off of that win, coming off of their MBT, you got to think he's going to have a better performance than Jared Degg.
• 1:12:33
  So yeah, yeah, I got to go Montreal.
• 1:12:36
  Yeah, as much as Deggy would like us to believe that his six passes is a whole game, it's not.
• 1:12:49
  And I think that the Montreal defense is going to give the Argos all they can handle.
• 1:12:55
  So Montreal.
• 1:12:57
  Dinwiddie does some amazing things with quarterbacks.
• 1:12:59
  I'll say that.
• 1:13:00
  And the only thing we really got to see on Deggy was what he played in Edmonton, which was not good.
• 1:13:08
  But.
• 1:13:08
  training camp with them.
• 1:13:09
  He's had no practice reps, they said.
• 1:13:12
  So we'll.
• 1:13:13
  No, given all that I think if Arbuckle was in I'd be going Toronto, but since he's not no I'll go with you on Montreal.
• 1:13:21
  Okay BC at Calgary.
• 1:13:25
  I'll go first on this one and say I think that I think that it's going to be probably about 32 to 21 and it'll be Calgary winning it.
• 1:13:35
  Go ahead, Andre.
• 1:13:37
  this stresses me out.
• 1:13:38
  VA stressing me out.
• 1:13:39
  Because he looked so bad last game.
• 1:13:44
  But maybe that's just our little go into the by curse.
• 1:13:47
  I think he's had some time to stew about it.
• 1:13:50
  So I'm going to say Calgary.
• 1:13:52
  All right, well, the first interview I saw with VA, he looked uncomfortable.
• 1:14:00
  The first interview I saw this week after yesterday's practice.
• 1:14:03
  He didn't look comfortable in the interview.
• 1:14:06
  He kept saying, I have to win this game, I have to be better.
• 1:14:10
  It comes down to me.
• 1:14:12
  And I'm like, you know what?
• 1:14:14
  That sounds like a guy who's taken a lot of pressure on himself.
• 1:14:18
  And when he takes pressure on himself, he tends to not have great games.
• 1:14:22
  So I'm still not convinced he's out of the funk.
• 1:14:25
  I know they're getting a bunch of guys back this week, which is good news.
• 1:14:30
  I looked at their injury report today and I thought, oh, there's a bunch of good news there.
• 1:14:35
  But I'm still not convinced that they have.
• 1:14:38
  I'm going to pick BC in the upset.
• 1:14:39
  I'm picking BC in the upset.
• 1:14:43
  I, the reason that I'm figuring BC doesn't have a chance is that Calgary defense is just as good as it is.
• 1:14:50
  And I don't think that Nathan will, I think Nathan will look more like two weeks ago, Nathan, than this weekend where he had trouble with the wind event.
• 1:14:58
  But anyway, so hey, we got, at least there's a chance here now.
• 1:15:01
  Unfortunately, you gained a game on me last week, so I'm falling further behind.
• 1:15:05
  So this, we'll see what this one does.
• 1:15:09
  Then we go to the Saturday, the afternoon game, Winnipeg at Ottawa.
• 1:15:14
  At this point, Drew Brown was showing full in practice, but no word on who's starting.
• 1:15:20
  And Zach was practicing but limited.
• 1:15:22
  And the last that I heard, the Bombers were still saying they hope to get him in and play the weekend.
• 1:15:29
  Yeah, can I defer?
• 1:15:31
  You can go last, but you can't defer.
• 1:15:34
  Because there's just not enough information to pick this game at this point.
• 1:15:40
  But if it's Drew Brown versus Chris Streveler I'll take Drew Brown.
• 1:15:44
  So I'm going to go Ottawa.
• 1:15:46
  Yeah, I have a note saying like, what is there like the crumb drew versus streveler Zack question mark question mark.
• 1:15:59
  Who's starting who's dressed but not playing who's dressed but starting listed as third.
• 1:16:07
  All of both these teams played so bad.
• 1:16:10
  You know what, maybe Bob Dice's dog will be on the field again before the game because they're playing in Ottawa.
• 1:16:15
  So I'll take the dog on the field vibes and pick Ottawa.
• 1:16:19
  Okay, well, surprisingly enough, it appears like we're gonna be all simpatico on this one too, because frankly, at this point with what I've seen from them, I don't care which
• 1:16:30
  quarterback is in for either team.
• 1:16:32
  I'm taking Ottawa.
• 1:16:34
  I think if it's Crum, he beats Streveler and he beats Zach, I believe.
• 1:16:38
  Because Zach has not looked...
• 1:16:40
  Zach said a couple of games that he looked okay, but he's not looked great.
• 1:16:44
  So that's that one.
• 1:16:45
  Okay.
• 1:16:46
  And then the...
• 1:16:48
  Edmonton and Hamilton to end up the week.
• 1:16:50
  Very important, Katsantonis is injured.
• 1:16:53
  Yes, all that.
• 1:16:56
  Yes.
• 1:16:57
  is his ankle and if he is not playing that defense is garbage and I'm going to pick the Elks.
• 1:17:05
  Okay, well, I think Edmonton, I'm not sure if they stayed here, I, because they were in Toronto on Saturday and now they're in Hamilton on Saturday.
• 1:17:13
  So if they flew from Toronto back to Edmonton and then have to fly back to Hamilton, that's a factor.
• 1:17:20
  I think the offensive line is showing its warts again.
• 1:17:23
  I think that's a factor.
• 1:17:25
  And I think, you know, that Hamilton has played
• 1:17:28
  very well.
• 1:17:29
  Katsantonis is a big part of that defense.
• 1:17:31
  I agree there, but I think both Amos and Peters had interceptions last week and I think their defense is getting after the quarterback now.
• 1:17:39
  So I'm and I think I think Boke and outgun Cody if that's also the you know, if it comes down to that.
• 1:17:47
  So I'm going Hamilton.
• 1:17:48
  And myself, I tend to believe what you were saying, GT that it's...
• 1:17:54
  I could be wrong.
• 1:17:55
  I don't think the Edmonton defense has progressed enough to take out what Hamilton can do.
• 1:18:02
  I mean, frankly, if they get a lead, they've showed now that they can run with Bell and hold on to the lead.
• 1:18:09
  And if they get pushed, if Edmonton does push them, they have the ability to...
• 1:18:13
  win the shootout so yeah
• 1:18:17
  Anderson's injured again for Edmonton as well.
• 1:18:19
  That hurts them in their linebacking corps a lot.
• 1:18:22
  yeah, just, uh yeah, I just, again, I'd be surprised.
• 1:18:27
  I've been surprised, but yeah, I'm fairly confident in my Hamilton.
• 1:18:31
  I don't know that defense if Katsantonis doesn't play they just cannot I don't know what is
• 1:18:36
  Yeah, well, he is definitely the glue that holds it together back there.
• 1:18:42
  you know what?
• 1:18:42
  They play down.
• 1:18:43
  They play down to teams.
• 1:18:45
  I don't know.
• 1:18:47
  and then the other thing is, like you said, we heard that Veresek is back in and or was, you know, maybe not back in, but wasn't hurt bad was saying that there was not a whole lot
• 1:18:58
  to the to the injury that happened with him, but he was taken off on a on a stretcher.
• 1:19:04
  So will he be ready to go this week or will he be out too?
• 1:19:08
  Because that could be another big hole in that defense.
• 1:19:11
  Yeah, I can't remember when I looked at the report where what he was listed as today.
• 1:19:16
  I think he practiced.
• 1:19:17
  I don't think he's on.
• 1:19:18
  look here,
• 1:19:19
  and...
• 1:19:20
  The quad was injured and came back and he looked like garbage for a few games and then finally this last game he finally started looking like he used to look.
• 1:19:30
  my, Varisak isn't even on the injured list.
• 1:19:33
  No, he's fine.
• 1:19:34
  So either it was absolutely nothing.
• 1:19:37
  Hmm.
• 1:19:37
  Yeah, so.
• 1:19:40
  it sounds like that's not a big issue.
• 1:19:44
  yeah, so I think they'll be good.
• 1:19:46
  Yeah, I'm just quickly pulling up the six game injured list just to make sure that he doesn't show up on here somewhere.
• 1:19:53
  know, think they showed him like...
• 1:19:56
  Yeah, no, we would have heard if he was added to the sixth game, which somewhere that would have been his item.
• 1:20:00
  think so too.
• 1:20:01
  So yeah, so he must be okay.
• 1:20:03
  yeah, he was golfing, he's fine.
• 1:20:06
  Yeah, exactly.
• 1:20:08
  yeah, of course he is.
• 1:20:13
  Slightly less contact in golf but he'll be good.
• 1:20:16
  Okay, anyway, that's enough of that.
• 1:20:19
  You've obviously never seen me golf.
• 1:20:21
  It's a full contact sport.
• 1:20:24
  Usually with my palm and my forehead.
• 1:20:26
  Again!
• 1:20:28
  Yes.
• 1:20:30
  I don't know about the two of you.
• 1:20:31
  I'm struggling here.
• 1:20:32
  So I think it's time to wrap it up.
• 1:20:33
  Closing thoughts, where can people find you?
• 1:20:36
  Those sorts of stuff.
• 1:20:37
  Well, apparently I'm on Instagram.
• 1:20:40
  So you could find me there, I guess.
• 1:20:42
  And other than that, could find me on Blue Sky at GTBarnum.
• 1:20:50
  Sounds good, MJ.
• 1:20:51
  I'm running the Instagram account, poorly, but it's happening and I'm also on Blue Sky Sports and Plants.
• 1:20:59
  good stuff and I'm as always old man dash SAC at blue sky or at old man whatever we are at the CFL outsiders on blue sky and on axe you can get me on CFL subreddit r r/cfl as u/ old
• 1:21:17
  man shouting cloud we now as MJ said of the Instagram look at us we're just we are taking over the CFL
• 1:21:25
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• 1:21:27
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• 1:21:30
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• 1:21:34
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• 1:21:37
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• 1:21:39
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• 1:21:52
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• 1:22:01
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• 1:22:08
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• 1:22:12
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