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Bonus Episode: Dealing With the Darkness, Book Club, and WHERE IS IT?! · DISGRACELAND

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get into this bonus episode right now.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk a little diddy, Let's talk a little Marilyn Monroe.
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Speaker 1: Let's just talk, shall we. Hey, discos need a little
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Speaker 1: more Disgraceland in your life, just to touch to get
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Speaker 1: you through. Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that
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Speaker 1: comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland, the after Party.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode, a little thing we
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Speaker 1: like to call the after party. This is the show
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Speaker 1: after the show, the party after the party, the bridge
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Speaker 1: to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to
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Speaker 1: the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. On
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Speaker 1: this bonus episode, we are talking about this week's part
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Speaker 1: two full episode on Marilyn Monroe. The sources that we
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Speaker 1: used for this Marilyn Monroe episode which helped us uncover
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Speaker 1: some wild stuff. As always, information in this round of
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Speaker 1: research on Maril Monroe and the FBI that didn't make
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Speaker 1: it into the episode. We're going to get into that
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Speaker 1: right here. We're also discussing how we are going to
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Speaker 1: deal with the Sean Diddy Combs allegations. We have an
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Speaker 1: update about the Disgraceland book club that is coming your way.
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Speaker 1: This kind of just popped up this week and might
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Speaker 1: get into a little Celtics talk too. It's that time
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Speaker 1: of the year, all right. Of course, your voicemails, your
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Speaker 1: text and more as always, and a whole lot of rosy.
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Speaker 1: All right, disc goes, Let's get into it. Cannibalism, kidnapping, murder.
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Speaker 1: These are the three crimes by three different artists that
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Speaker 1: I covered at the end of season two of Disgraceland, respectively.
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Speaker 1: The artists were Big Lurch, Rick James, and Spade Coolly
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Speaker 1: who committed those crimes. I wrote and produced all three
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Speaker 1: of those episodes straight, straight in a row and during
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Speaker 1: a truncated period of time. So what that means is,
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Speaker 1: for about six weeks straight, I had my head into
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Speaker 1: some pretty dark waters. The other element relative to these
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Speaker 1: specific three subjects is that all the crimes, the cannibalism,
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Speaker 1: the kidnapping, the murder, throwing, torture, and horrifically violent physical
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Speaker 1: abuse and mental abuse. All these crimes were perpetrated against women.
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Speaker 1: It was women who were the victims at the hands
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Speaker 1: of these abusive men. And again I'm talking about Big Lurch,
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Speaker 1: Rick James, and Spade Cooley, all the musicians. After these
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Speaker 1: episodes were produced, I went into a deep funk once
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Speaker 1: we shipped these episodes off and again, this was season
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Speaker 1: two of Disgrace Sense, so this was back in the day.
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Speaker 1: It was early days for me being in this game.
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Speaker 1: I was relatively new and still you know the subject matter.
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Speaker 1: Dealing with it all was a new experience for me,
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Speaker 1: I should say, dealing with it all at such a
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Speaker 1: high volume was a new experience for me. So after
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Speaker 1: these three episodes, like I said, I was in a funk.
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Speaker 1: I took some time off. I don't know what I did.
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Speaker 1: I went and hung out with some puppies. We looked
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Speaker 1: at some rainbows. I don't know what I did, but
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Speaker 1: I needed a change of focus after making these episodes,
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Speaker 1: and I don't know what I did, like I said,
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Speaker 1: but I did something, and eventually the fog of darkness
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Speaker 1: lifted and then I threw myself back into researching similar
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Speaker 1: subject matter, with the only real adjustment being that I
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Speaker 1: vowed to kind of spread out the really true dark stuff,
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Speaker 1: the dark research, I should say, but that's near possible
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Speaker 1: to do. I mean, some stories are darker than others.
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Speaker 1: Some stories, a lot of stories, I should say, have redemption,
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Speaker 1: And we sort of like adjusted our approach so that
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Speaker 1: we landed on those stories of redemption in these disgraceline
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Speaker 1: episodes whenever we can, whenever possible. But the one thing
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Speaker 1: I pledged to do regarding choosing the subjects I was
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Speaker 1: going to cover the subjects I was going to research,
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Speaker 1: subjects I was going to write about, subjects I was
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Speaker 1: going to produce podcasts about, was that I pledged to
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Speaker 1: myself that I wouldn't cover subjects involving the abuse of children, because,
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Speaker 1: like most people, I just don't want to deal with
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Speaker 1: that level of darkness. But I'm about to break that
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Speaker 1: rule because I cannot ignore the stories surrounding the Sean
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Speaker 1: Diddycomb's allegations. These stories don't just involve, of course, the
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Speaker 1: alleged abuse of children. They also involve women. They also
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Speaker 1: involve grown men. But the darkness here is deeper and
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Speaker 1: darker and more depraved than anything that I have ever researched.
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Speaker 1: And that is, of course saying something for those new
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Speaker 1: to Disgraceland. Usually I don't wade into the waters of
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Speaker 1: current affairs concerning entertainers and their true crimes as they're
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Speaker 1: being litigated, but this story is too explosive, not too
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Speaker 1: so ever, since the day that the Cassie video was
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Speaker 1: released this last week, and for those who don't know,
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Speaker 1: that's the video of Sean Combe's viciously beating on his
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Speaker 1: then girlfriend Cassie Ventura in a hotel hallway. This was
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Speaker 1: the videos from back in twenty sixteen, and it demonstrates
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Speaker 1: the exact behavior alleged in the lawsuit that Cassie Ventor
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Speaker 1: filed against Ditty, the exact type of behavior that Diddy
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Speaker 1: denied before settling that lawsuit for thirty million dollars. This
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Speaker 1: video impossible to ignore her obviously impossible to ignore the
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Speaker 1: ramifications of this video on Ditty. This is again the
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Speaker 1: exact type of behavior that Diddy denied before settling the
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Speaker 1: lawsuit for thirty mil. And it got me thinking about
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Speaker 1: what else Diddy has been accused of and what else
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Speaker 1: he has denied and what kind of monster he may
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Speaker 1: or may not actually be. So I started digging into
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Speaker 1: the five lawsuits that have been filed against Ditty since
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Speaker 1: the Cassi suit was settled back at the end of
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. And by digging in, I mean into
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Speaker 1: the actual paperwork and looking at what has been legally
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Speaker 1: claimed against Sean Combs and what evidence is presented in
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Speaker 1: these lawsuits. In other words, the real stuff, the real accusations,
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Speaker 1: not rumors, not Internet rumors. And these crimes that are
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Speaker 1: alleged against the so called bad boy for life. They involve,
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Speaker 1: of course, sexual abuse, sex trafficking, criminal racketeering, gang rape,
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Speaker 1: drug and firearm distribution and more. Now here's the thing.
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Speaker 1: This is America. Anybody can sue anybody. You can claim
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Speaker 1: anything about somebody else and bring them to court, which
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Speaker 1: is really fucked up, if you want my opinion. So
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Speaker 1: when when these after the Cassie lawsuit was settled and
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Speaker 1: these these subsequent lawsuits were filed, you know, I was interested,
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Speaker 1: but I wasn't that interested, and part of me thought, well,
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Speaker 1: maybe who knows what the hell's in these actually? Who
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Speaker 1: you know, I didn't doubt that they weren't true on
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Speaker 1: some level. That's my personal opinion. I have no proof
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Speaker 1: to back that up myself, so don't get it twisted.
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Speaker 1: But there have been rumors about Diddy for years, much
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Speaker 1: earlier than this Cassie stuff that's come out in the
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Speaker 1: last at least come out into the mainstream in the
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Speaker 1: last eight months or so. I had heard stuff me okay,
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Speaker 1: like secondhand, like you know, at the barbershop or whatever.
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Speaker 1: So if I'm hearing it, if it's filtering all the
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Speaker 1: way down to me, imagine you know what's actually true.
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Speaker 1: And by the way, this is a pattern that I've
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Speaker 1: experienced before. You know, I'm sure a lot of you
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Speaker 1: out there had heard like I had, had heard the
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Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein stuff before it actually broke, heard rumors of it,
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Speaker 1: heard people talking about it, people joking about it. Same
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Speaker 1: goes for Cosby. All this stuff was in the ether,
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Speaker 1: it was out there. Same goes for Ditty. So when
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Speaker 1: all this stuff broke, I wasn't like, you know, clutching
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Speaker 1: my pearls or anything. But at the same time, I
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Speaker 1: didn't think that everything that was accused of him, everything
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Speaker 1: that has been accused of him, I should say, is
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Speaker 1: actually true. And I'm not saying that everything is. All
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Speaker 1: I'm saying is that in the last week I dove
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Speaker 1: into the actual criminal paperwork that was filed against Ditty,
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Speaker 1: and I looked at the actual evidence that is being presented,
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Speaker 1: and I looked at the vividly specific allegations, some of
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Speaker 1: which have correlating photographic evidence screenshots as proof of video
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Speaker 1: evidence being held by prosecutors that will presumably come out
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Speaker 1: in whatever court case, sir, or whatever indictment is to come.
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Speaker 1: The allegations in each lawsuit give details that align with
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Speaker 1: each other as well, okay, and they seem to support
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Speaker 1: these specific patterns of abuse. So you can see why
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Speaker 1: some of us, myself now included, think that this is
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Speaker 1: a wildly compelling story. All right. Now, again, all of
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Speaker 1: this is alleged. Nothing has been proven. Diddy has denied
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Speaker 1: everything except for the video of him beating Cassie, which
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Speaker 1: he issued a hollow apology for. But there's a lot
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Speaker 1: of smoke, right But you know that. My larger point, however,
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Speaker 1: is that there's no denying how incredibly dark and depraved
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Speaker 1: this whole subject is. Then there is the TikTok of it.
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Speaker 1: All the allegations that are in the criminal complaints are
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Speaker 1: one thing. On TikTok. They hearsay the conjecture, the rumors
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Speaker 1: from ex employees of Ditty, from bodyguards, personal assistants, ex lovers,
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Speaker 1: ex friends, enemies. This is a whole other level of darkness.
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Speaker 1: This is Joseph Conrad, Colonel Kurtz, O J. Simpson, Aaron Hernandez,
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein type of darkness. And it's hard to handle,
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Speaker 1: it's hard to take in, it's hard to absorb, if
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Speaker 1: I'm being honest. But I'm in it, and this story
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Speaker 1: isn't going away, and I'm going to do my best
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Speaker 1: to stay in it and stay sane and to try
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Speaker 1: and find a way to contextualize the history of Diddy
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Speaker 1: as well as the facts surrounding these current allegations for
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Speaker 1: you guys. That's what I'm going to try to do.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to try to attempt to provide some sort
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Speaker 1: of roadmap through my style of storytelling of how we
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Speaker 1: got here and where we're going, and to bring you
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Speaker 1: new information as it unfolds in real time, and again
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Speaker 1: to do so with type of storytelling that you've become
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Speaker 1: familiar with here in Disgraceland. All right, At first, I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna be doing this with video content through short form
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Speaker 1: video on Instagram, but eventually, as this story unfolds, I'm
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Speaker 1: going to likely roll it out into some sort of
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Speaker 1: audio coverage and podcast form. Whether that's in a new
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Speaker 1: feed or whether that's part of Disgraceland or here or
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Speaker 1: in the after party bonus episodes, I'm not yet sure.
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Speaker 1: But there is so much here and so much to unpack,
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Speaker 1: and so many massive names from the world of entertainment
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Speaker 1: who are all connected. So the question then for me
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Speaker 1: personally becomes what to do about staying sane while wading
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Speaker 1: through these incredibly dark waters. And this question goes to
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Speaker 1: you guys as well, if you're gonna come along on
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Speaker 1: this ride with me, all right, I haven't quite figured
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Speaker 1: out how to answer this question, but I'm working on it.
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Speaker 1: There's goodness in this world. We may be in an
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Speaker 1: ongoing battle of good versus evil, and I truly believe
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Speaker 1: that we are, but there is far more good, far
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Speaker 1: more light than darkness, and it's everywhere it surrounds us.
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Speaker 1: No matter what situation we are in, it is there.
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Speaker 1: Trust me. You just have to look literally as I'm
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Speaker 1: thinking about this, as I'm writing down my notes to
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Speaker 1: go head into the recording booth and lay this out
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Speaker 1: for you. My six year old son Willem just walked
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Speaker 1: into my bedroom with a massive smile on his face.
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Speaker 1: That's all the light in the world that I need
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Speaker 1: right there. It's cheesy, but it's fucking true.
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Speaker 2: Man.
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Speaker 1: He walked in to say good morning in a hand
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Speaker 1: me a copy of Paul Shecher's new book, which came
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Speaker 1: in the mail yesterday. Will Al must have grabbed it
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Speaker 1: from the Amazon box that it came in that was
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Speaker 1: near the front door and wanted to do something nice
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Speaker 1: for his dad. Again, the smile massive, and the title
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Speaker 1: of the book, it's a sign of light. It's a
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Speaker 1: sign of the goodness delivered in real time with Jerry
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Speaker 1: Garcia like synchronicity.
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Speaker 3: The book is.
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Speaker 1: Called Joyful Recollections of Trauma. Okay, I haven't read it yet,
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Speaker 1: of course, I've owned it for all of about four minutes.
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Speaker 1: This title is a great one, and it seems like
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Speaker 1: Paul Sheer has found a way to deal with the darkness.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to find a way to deal with the
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Speaker 1: darkness as well more soon. I'll be back after this
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Speaker 1: all right. Before we get into sources here, before we
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Speaker 1: get into the rest of the episode, I want to
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Speaker 1: talk to you guys about something that we're just all
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Speaker 1: of a sudden doing. This wasn't planned at all. Came
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Speaker 1: up in the Patreon chat that i've been telling you
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Speaker 1: guys about. If you're not on Patreon, sign up. If
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Speaker 1: you are, you're gonna know what I'm talking about. You
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Speaker 1: guys who know me well, who are in the chat,
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Speaker 1: you know I've been I've been reading a ton out
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Speaker 1: for pleasure, not for research, and I've been reading a
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Speaker 1: lot of these thrillers, these mystery thrillers, and I've just
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Speaker 1: been burning through these books. A lot of them are
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Speaker 1: crime based, obviously. I just finished The Silent Patient the
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Speaker 1: Talented Mister Ripley. I read the week before that. Before
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Speaker 1: the week before that, i read Dark Places by Jillian Flynn,
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Speaker 1: and right now I'm reading Tell No. One by Harlan Coben.
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Speaker 1: But for fans of crime fiction, thriller fiction, mystery fiction,
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Speaker 1: you'll know these titles. Anyways, I've been talking about them
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Speaker 1: in the Patreon chat and some of you have been
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Speaker 1: reading them as well, and a couple of you had
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Speaker 1: the idea to do this book club, and that's now happening,
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Speaker 1: So we are. I guess we have a book club.
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Speaker 1: I'll send out some more information for you guys in
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Speaker 1: the next few days, just through email, Instagram, everywhere. But
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Speaker 1: basically we're gonna get together. I don't know how often.
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Speaker 1: I think the first time we're getting together is going
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Speaker 1: to be in a couple of weeks June third, at
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Speaker 1: eight thirty Eastern Standard time to discuss over zoom or Google,
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Speaker 1: Google Meetup or whatever it's called video. Basically, I'll be
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Speaker 1: on there obviously, and we'll be discussing the Talented Mister Ripley.
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Speaker 1: That's gonna be the first book in the book club.
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Speaker 1: We don't have a name for the book club. We
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Speaker 1: don't have any structure. Basically, we're just getting together and
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Speaker 1: talking and we'll figure out what this is all going
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Speaker 1: to be shortly. But the point is, if you want
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Speaker 1: to join, go for it, all right. I'm excited. I
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Speaker 1: don't want to come up with a lot of structure
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Speaker 1: sure for this. If someone else does, that's fine. I
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Speaker 1: just want to talk books that I'm reading with you guys.
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Speaker 1: So again, the first one is going to be June third,
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Speaker 1: eight thirty Eastern Standard time, and the book is going
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Speaker 1: to be the talented mister Ripley. So if you all
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Speaker 1: want to join in, read that book and be on
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Speaker 1: the lookout for more information and then just hop in
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Speaker 1: the video with us and you know we'll be talking.
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Speaker 1: All right. More to come on this, but I'm pumped.
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Speaker 1: I'm very excited. And thanks to the discos and the
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Speaker 1: Patreon chat who who kicked this off and got this
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Speaker 1: thing going. Much appreciation, all right. So we did a
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Speaker 1: lot of reading as well, obviously for the Marilyn Monroe episodes,
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Speaker 1: and I want to talk a little bit about the sources.
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Speaker 1: Last week we talked about the major biographies that we
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Speaker 1: used to source these episodes. So if you miss that,
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Speaker 1: I want to learn more about those books, you can
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Speaker 1: go back and check out last week's after Party bonus episode.
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Speaker 1: This week and this week's Part two episode on Merily
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Speaker 1: Monroe story, we talk about her death and the many
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Speaker 1: different theories that have been out there for a while.
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Speaker 1: So I wanted to speak to the sources that we
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Speaker 1: use to really get into all this and litigate these
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Speaker 1: different versions of events that are in the episode. This
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Speaker 1: book we use called The Murder of Merily Monroe Case Closed,
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Speaker 1: written by J Margolis and Richard Buskin. This was originally
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Speaker 1: published ten years ago in twenty fourteen. It was a
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Speaker 1: New York Times bestseller, and it was a big deal because,
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Speaker 1: as the title suggests, it puts forth the theory that
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Speaker 1: Merily Monroe was assassinated, that Bobby Kennedy ordered it, that
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Speaker 1: Peter Lawford knew about it, that our doctors knew about it,
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Speaker 1: that the FBI and the CIA, and YadA, YadA, YadA.
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Speaker 1: Give me a fucking break. It's wild, but it is
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Speaker 1: a point of view, and I wanted to rep that
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Speaker 1: point of view. So this is what we used. Check
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Speaker 1: that out if you want to, you know, listen, but
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Speaker 1: it's just backing up a second here. Spoiler alert if
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Speaker 1: you haven't yet listened to the Part two episode of
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Speaker 1: Merril Monroe. But basically the end of it culminates with
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Speaker 1: me laying out the three main conspiracy theories, which I'm
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Speaker 1: not going to get into here. Specifically, I believe in
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Speaker 1: one of them. Two of the three I think are
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Speaker 1: are bogus. But in order to properly rep the two
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Speaker 1: that I don't believe in, you still have to do
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Speaker 1: research in it. So that's why that book was uh
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Speaker 1: valuable to us, even though it's not a theory that
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Speaker 1: I subscribe to, and in all the books that we
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Speaker 1: used to set up the Merrily Monroe conspiracy theories and
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Speaker 1: to dive into them to set up this story in general,
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Speaker 1: I'm just going to cut through all the bullshit. If
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Speaker 1: you want to know, my recommendation of the best book
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Speaker 1: to read it is the Eryl Flynn autobiography. Okay, just
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Speaker 1: go find that if you can find it. It's a
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Speaker 1: hard book to find, for understandably, it is wild. That's
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Speaker 1: the thing too, that we don't talk enough about now
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Speaker 1: that I'm being honest. You know, the shit that these
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Speaker 1: these entertainers actually cop to in their own books is nuts.
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Speaker 1: It's fucking crazy. And this is a prime example. Just
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Speaker 1: go read that, all right. Six one seven nine oh
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Speaker 1: six six six three eight. I want to know which
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Speaker 1: of the three theories surrounding MARYL. El Monroe's death you
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Speaker 1: think is actually true. Number one? Was it probable suicide?
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Speaker 1: Number two? Did the Kennedys do it? Number three? Was
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Speaker 1: it a medical mishap involving her doctors? Let me know?
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Speaker 1: Six one seven nine oh six six six three eight.
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Speaker 1: Second question. I also want to know what books do
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Speaker 1: you want to discuss in the New Disgrace LAMB Book Club.
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Speaker 1: I want to warn you right now I'm on this
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Speaker 1: crime mystery thriller kick and I don't think I'm getting
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Speaker 1: off of it. So if you're into that type of stuff,
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Speaker 1: you're the book that you select, that you choose you
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Speaker 1: might want to discuss, you might want us all to read.
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Speaker 1: Is kind of have a better chance and say if
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Speaker 1: you suggest War in Peace or uh, some historical novel
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Speaker 1: or whatever. Okay, six one seven nine oh sixty six
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Speaker 1: six three eight book recommendations is what I'm saying. Also,
19:49
Speaker 1: let me know which explanation of Meril Monroe's death do
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Speaker 1: you think is most plausible? Text voicemail just like Sam
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Speaker 1: from the six one nine calling in. Uh Sam, you
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Speaker 1: know this is in regards to last week's question. We
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Speaker 1: asked about which celebrity deaths have affected you. I was
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Speaker 1: obviously talking about Prince and Sam called in with this voicemail.
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Speaker 2: Hey Ja, this is Sam from Chico, California, in response
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Speaker 2: to your two the two deaths that really impacted me.
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Speaker 2: Mister padre Tony Gwynn. He was my idol as a
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Speaker 2: young kid growing up in San Diego and wanted to
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Speaker 2: be like him, and his death really impacted me. It
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Speaker 2: was just avoidable and you know, pretty tragic. And then
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Speaker 2: the other one's Anthony Bourdain. Uh, you know, I'm not
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Speaker 2: a chef. I love food, not a chef, but his
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Speaker 2: curiosity and his wonder and the way he used his
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Speaker 2: language to depict that was really special to me. And
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Speaker 2: his death really hurt when I heard he passed. So
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Speaker 2: Tony and Anthony Bourdain were my two impactful deaths. So
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Speaker 2: thanks for letting me share.
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Speaker 1: Rock Corolla. You got it, Sam, I got to admit, man,
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Speaker 1: you know, being from the Northeast, a sports fan, huge
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Speaker 1: sports fan, I didn't even realize that Tony Gwynn had died,
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Speaker 1: but I can relate. I remember, I remember, you know,
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Speaker 1: Tony Gwinn had a special relationship with with Ted Williams.
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Speaker 1: Obviously they're from different generations, but Tony Gwinn's one of
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Speaker 1: the greatest hitters of all time and Ted Williams might
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Speaker 1: be the greatest hitter of all time, and he took
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Speaker 1: a special interest in Tony Gwynn. I remember that as
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Speaker 1: being a Red Sox fan, and I remember, I remember,
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Speaker 1: you know, when Ted Williams died. It was non stop
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Speaker 1: coverage in Boston, and then of course all the stuff
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Speaker 1: with his son who had since Pat who has since passed,
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Speaker 1: excuse me, and the whole thing with the what was
21:43
Speaker 1: going to happen to his body after death? That was
21:44
Speaker 1: a whole other story. It reminds me might actually be
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Speaker 1: a good episode of disgrace and maybe I can work
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Speaker 1: Tony Gwynn into that somehow. As for Anthony Bourdain, as
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Speaker 1: you can tell from the episode that I did on
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Speaker 1: Anthony Bourdain, I was obviously affected by his death as well.
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Speaker 1: I'm guessing you've heard that, but if not, it is
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Speaker 1: there for you in the feed. All right, let's check
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Speaker 1: out with the two oh six.
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Speaker 4: Hi, this is Al calling out of Boston, responding to
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Speaker 4: what celebrity death affected me the most. I think that
22:12
Speaker 4: as I was listening to that episode, I kept on
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Speaker 4: thinking of Amy Winehouse. I mean, still tell this day,
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Speaker 4: if I think too hard about it, it brings tears
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Speaker 4: to my eyes. We kind of I'll watched her slowly
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Speaker 4: die in front of us, and such an extreme talent.
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Speaker 1: All right, two six, Yeah, I mean the Amy Winehouse
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Speaker 1: one was big. I've talked about in the past, my
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Speaker 1: relationship to her music, and being able to see her
22:38
Speaker 1: early early, early on. I saw her first shows in America,
22:43
Speaker 1: some of them. Anyways, in the first week she was here,
22:45
Speaker 1: first couple of weeks, and yeah, you kind of hit
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Speaker 1: it on the head. She kind of died. She was
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Speaker 1: dying in real time, right in front of us, and
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Speaker 1: just incredibly, incredibly sad. And wow, what a talent, unbelievable.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's do some texts here. The question I
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Speaker 1: asked that will not quit from a couple after party
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Speaker 1: bonus episodes ago. I asked, which musicians do you think
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Speaker 1: have the makeup? I asked this ingest, of course, just
23:12
Speaker 1: don't get it twisted. It was a joke. I asked,
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Speaker 1: which musicians do you think could be serial killers? Based
23:16
Speaker 1: on their vibe? And you, guys won't leave this one alone,
23:20
Speaker 1: and I don't blame you. It's a fun one four four,
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Speaker 1: three rights in Paul Simon, definitely a serial killer. I
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Speaker 1: don't know. Actually, has anyone heard from Edie Berkel lately?
23:31
Speaker 1: I haven't all right? Three one six rights in, Hey,
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Speaker 1: Jason from Kansas. I think the greatest icons in history
23:36
Speaker 1: will have to be the Beatles. And then Elvis, and
23:38
Speaker 1: then maybe Merril Monroe, and if not, Michael Jackson. That's
23:41
Speaker 1: kind of a Mount rushmore right there, Beatles, Elvis, Meril Monroe,
23:44
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson, maybe Madonna, probably not. Five one three rights
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Speaker 1: in first. I just discovered the show thanks to the
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Speaker 1: Red Handed podcast, and I love it. Love is all
23:55
Speaker 1: capital letters. Goes on to say here in the text,
23:58
Speaker 1: as for a celebrity day, that impacted me Neil Pert
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Speaker 1: of Rush after reading his books, he reminded me so
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Speaker 1: much of my father. Losing him was like losing my
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Speaker 1: dad in some weird way. Wow. That's uh five to
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Speaker 1: one three, that's a heavy one. I don't know what's
24:14
Speaker 1: in Neil Pert's book, but you got me interested and
24:16
Speaker 1: now I want to read it. Eight one four writes
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Speaker 1: in Personally, I was gutted when Chris Cornell died. I'm
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Speaker 1: a huge fan of his music and his voice, and
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Speaker 1: I kind of thought that he made it through the
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Speaker 1: roughest part of his life as far as drug use
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Speaker 1: and mental health go, and I expected him to live
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Speaker 1: a long life. And I guess it goes to show
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Speaker 1: that mental health can be something we have to deal
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Speaker 1: with for a lifetime. One day at a time eight
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Speaker 1: one to four. You are so so correct. Mental health
24:41
Speaker 1: is something that has dealt with one day at a time.
24:44
Speaker 1: You're also correct about well at least I shared your
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Speaker 1: belief that Chris Cornell had kind of made it through
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Speaker 1: the dark days, the black days, I should say, and
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Speaker 1: we were both wrong. And you can hear about that
24:58
Speaker 1: obviously in the Chris Cornell episode that is available right
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Speaker 1: now six one seven nine, six, six, six three eight,
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Speaker 1: voicemail and text. I want to know which of the
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Speaker 1: three conspiracy theories surrounding Marilyn Monroe's death you think is
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Speaker 1: not conspiracy and is actually the truth. I also want
25:15
Speaker 1: to know what you make of this whole Diddy situation.
25:18
Speaker 1: I'll be back in a flash. All right, we are back.
25:35
Speaker 1: And as I just mentioned and I mentioned at the
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Speaker 1: top of the show as well, in addition to our
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Speaker 1: Marilyn Monroe episode this week, we also have a brand
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Speaker 1: new episode on Chris Cornell that's available right now and
25:44
Speaker 1: you can go listen to it. But to do so,
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26:08
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Speaker 1: a little taste of what you're missing over in Disgraceland
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Speaker 1: All Access. Nineteen eighty eight, twenty four year old Chris
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Speaker 1: Cornell was doing what he loved, hitting the road with
26:26
Speaker 1: his band, and they're Chevy America a blur outside the
26:30
Speaker 1: window as they tore ass through Louisiana. Chris no longer
26:35
Speaker 1: playing drums but singing lead his band Soundgarden, touring in
26:39
Speaker 1: support of Ultramega Okay, their full length debut on SST Records,
26:44
Speaker 1: SST Come On, Man, are you kidding me? Black Flag,
26:47
Speaker 1: the Minutemen, Poosker, Due, the Meat Puppets. They were all
26:50
Speaker 1: on SST. It was the coolest to d label going
26:54
Speaker 1: subpop was cool too, no doubt, and those guys were
26:56
Speaker 1: Soundgarden's friends. But SST was SST, and they wanted Soundgarden.
27:02
Speaker 1: They wanted Chris Cornell, but SST wasn't alone. Every record
27:06
Speaker 1: label wanted to sign Soundgarden, every major label. And remember
27:10
Speaker 1: this is the late nineteen eighties, this is before the
27:13
Speaker 1: word grunge entered the lexicon, before Seattle became the new
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Speaker 1: Athens or Minneapolis. Chris Cornell and Soundgarden were that good
27:22
Speaker 1: and they were that compelling. But unlike most bands eager
27:26
Speaker 1: to make that jump to the big time, Soundgarden knew
27:29
Speaker 1: they weren't quite ready yet. Chris Cornell had the wisdom
27:32
Speaker 1: and the foresight at just twenty four years old, to
27:35
Speaker 1: know that he needed more time, and not a defined
27:38
Speaker 1: amount of time. It could be weeks or months, or
27:41
Speaker 1: even years. But the point was to wait until the
27:44
Speaker 1: industry needed them, not the other way around, because if
27:48
Speaker 1: Chris Cornell signed with major label A and M Records
27:50
Speaker 1: at this moment, he knew he would be forced to change,
27:53
Speaker 1: forced to sacrifice his authenticity, which at this point was
27:58
Speaker 1: a polished hybrid of metal, hard and psychedelic rock, wholly
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Speaker 1: unique to the split camps of punk and hair metal
28:04
Speaker 1: dominating Seattle at the time, and again I'm not saying
28:08
Speaker 1: that by turning down A and M. Chris Cornell, the
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Speaker 1: guys in Soundgarden were turning down the opportunity to make
28:13
Speaker 1: a hit record, being authentic and being a huge star
28:17
Speaker 1: not mutually exclusive. Chris was turning down the notion of
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Speaker 1: selling out. As Soundgarden went to the big time before
28:23
Speaker 1: they were ready, before the industry was ready, they would
28:27
Speaker 1: fail and they'd never have a hit. The hits would
28:30
Speaker 1: come and due time. The way that they wanted This
28:34
Speaker 1: particular strategy wasn't just Chris's idea. It was recommended by
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Speaker 1: Chris's girlfriend at the time, Susan Silver, who also happened
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Speaker 1: to be Soundgarden's manager. The strategy worked. It allowed Soundgarden
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Speaker 1: to retain their indie credibility. Then it got them in
28:50
Speaker 1: with the SST crowd far beyond the borders of Seattle,
28:53
Speaker 1: and it only made the majors want the band more,
28:56
Speaker 1: just like everyone else did. But you can't please them all,
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Speaker 1: particularly members of law enforcement here in Louisiana who assumed
29:05
Speaker 1: that your long hair, Washington state plates, and buttholes surfers
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Speaker 1: bumper sticker on the back of your van equaled probable
29:11
Speaker 1: cause Soundgardens drummer Matt Cameron was behind the wheel when
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Speaker 1: he saw the blue lights in the rear view mirror.
29:18
Speaker 1: He didn't panic. He knew the band was clean, cleaner
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Speaker 1: than your average rock band. Only their sound guy Hallerman
29:26
Speaker 1: was holding and that tiny bit of weed was stashed
29:28
Speaker 1: safely inside his toolkit. Matt pulled over, the cops walked up.
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Speaker 1: Chris got a good look, dark sunglasses, big guns and
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Speaker 1: their badges. Not local police, not troopers. DA all right.
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Speaker 1: That was a clip from our brand new episode on
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