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GORGEOUS YOUNG HIGH SCHOOL GRAD, PAM, "VANISHES" FROM HOUSTON APARTMENT AFTER "ODD" TEXTS · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, an absolutely beautiful recent high
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Speaker 1: school graduate. Pam vanishes from her Houston apartment.
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Speaker 2: What vanishes?
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Speaker 1: And Toathan Air this after odd texts? I'm Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 3: Twenty year old Shappammela Buckner, known as Pam by her friends,
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Speaker 3: as living in Houston, Texas with her boyfriend when she
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Speaker 3: suddenly disappears. Neighbors report a heated altercation the night she
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Speaker 3: goes missing.
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Speaker 1: Where is this gorgeous young girl, Pam Buckner joining me
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Speaker 1: in All Star panel? But first I want to go
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Speaker 1: out to two very special guests joining us, Monica Reeves
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Speaker 1: and Billy Reavis' cousin and uncle, to this beautiful young
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Speaker 1: girl that seemingly vanishes from her own apartment.
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Speaker 2: But I'm not buying that.
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Speaker 1: Okay, there are no magic tricks. She didn't just disappear
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Speaker 1: into thin air. First of all, to both of you,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 4: Ms.
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Speaker 1: Monica Reevis, let me ask you this, what is meant
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Speaker 1: by odd texts?
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Speaker 2: Tell me about texts that seemed to.
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Speaker 5: Come from Pam.
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Speaker 6: She was texting her neighbor.
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Speaker 5: About something that was going on in her home.
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Speaker 6: And to call police.
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Speaker 1: And then after that, what happened Miss rievis she Manish
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Speaker 1: guys joining us an all star panel. This is a
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Speaker 1: beautiful young girl that grew up with the very tight
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Speaker 1: knit family and they want answers and do you blame them?
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Speaker 2: What happened? Listen? Do you guys believe that they harmed.
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Speaker 6: Shambla I do.
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Speaker 7: I'm more conclusion if we can come up with at
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Speaker 7: this point.
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Speaker 8: Schapamela Buckner twenty grows up in Houston. Chapamela is very
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Speaker 8: much in love with her boyfriend, with whom she shares
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Speaker 8: an apartment on Northboro Drive. However, with Chapamela's boyfriend serving
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Speaker 8: in the military stationed outside of Houston, Chapamela is frequently
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Speaker 8: home alone.
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Speaker 3: After reports of a disturbance the night before, Shapamela's landlord
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Speaker 3: stops by to check on hers, and the landlord finds
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Speaker 3: Chapamela's door unlocked, so she calls Schapamela's emergency contact. Family
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Speaker 3: finds her phone, purse, ID and keys still inside. It's
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Speaker 3: very strange for Schapamelo to go anywhere without those items.
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Speaker 3: When several days have passed with no contact, She's reported
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Speaker 3: missing last scene at home the evening of March twenty First,
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Speaker 3: where is this beautiful girl?
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Speaker 1: A little of that that you just heard with from
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Speaker 1: our friends at Thoughts twenty six, in addition to Pam's
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Speaker 1: cousin and uncle joining us an all star panel. First,
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Speaker 1: I want to go out to longtime friend and colleague
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Speaker 1: Andy Kahn, director of Victim Services in this jurisdiction. He
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Speaker 1: works with crime stoppers in Houston. Andy, there's a lot
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Speaker 1: that stinks about this case, and I'm not sure why
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Speaker 1: we are hearing let me just say, rumblings that police
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Speaker 1: are not being transparent. Another question I have is you
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Speaker 1: know how I found this case?
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Speaker 2: Andy.
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Speaker 1: I happened to be scrolling through Twitter for stories for
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Speaker 1: ideas for cases that have not been covered yet that
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Speaker 1: needs some attention, and I found this. Why is it
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Speaker 1: not on the front page of the New York Times?
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Speaker 1: Because none of this makes sense. It's not like she
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Speaker 1: was a magician or a magician's assistant that somebody could
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Speaker 1: just wave a wand and she disappears from her own apartment.
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Speaker 2: What's the deal? Andy Cohn?
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Speaker 1: Agree with you?
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Speaker 4: Because when I tried to find out information, particularly on
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Speaker 4: media coverage of Pam going missing. There was very little
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Speaker 4: stories out there. There was absolutely no follow up the
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Speaker 4: initial stories of her going missing, with the exception of
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Speaker 4: a special report by local Fox News who does a
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Speaker 4: segment called Missing in Houston.
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Speaker 6: So I was just like you, I was kind of.
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Speaker 4: Puzzled as to why the media hasn't followed up on this.
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Speaker 4: But at the same time, let me tell you what
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Speaker 4: crime Stoppers can do and will do for this spamily.
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Speaker 4: We have a very unique program at crime Stopers dealing
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Speaker 4: with missing adults. If a missing adult goes missing and
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Speaker 4: it's presumed to be as a result of criminal conduct,
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Speaker 4: we are ready to offer an up to a five
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Speaker 4: thousand dollars reward for any information leading up to the
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Speaker 4: arrest of the suspect and or suspects responsible for committing
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Speaker 4: any criminal conduct. So that's a key thing right now.
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Speaker 4: So if anyone out there knows what happened to her,
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Speaker 4: reach out to crime Stoppers. There's three ways you can
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Speaker 4: do it. Call us at seven one three two two
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Speaker 4: two tips, submit a tip online www dot crime dash
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Speaker 4: stoppers dot org. We have a mobile app available in
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Speaker 4: over twenty languages.
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Speaker 1: And remember, well, let me understand andy, you're saying that
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Speaker 1: under certain circumstances which I believe this case to a t.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stoppers will offer five thousand dollars reward. That's just
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Speaker 1: a yes, No, that's yes. Joining me now, Crime Stories investigated.
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Speaker 1: Reporter Sydney Summer. Sydney, describe for me the area where
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Speaker 1: Pamela seemingly disappeared.
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Speaker 9: Fancy. This is Houston, Texas. This is a bustling, huge city,
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Speaker 9: one of the biggest cities in Texas. And this apartment
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Speaker 9: is in a big area of town. It's frequented. It's
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Speaker 9: a nice place to be settled at twenty years old.
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Speaker 1: It looks like I'm seeing her out by her pool,
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Speaker 1: likely at her apartment.
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Speaker 2: Guys, it matters, It matters, Joining me.
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Speaker 1: Brian Fitzgibbons direct her operations USPA Nationwide Security, who leads
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Speaker 1: a team especially trained investigators specializing and locating missing people
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Speaker 1: at Uspasecurity dot Com. Brian, she did not just disappear.
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Speaker 1: The significance of what Sidney Summon just said is that
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Speaker 1: we're not out like where I grew up in rural
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Speaker 1: Bibb County, where there's nothing but pine trees and soybean
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Speaker 1: fields as far as the eye can see. That really
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Speaker 1: decreases your suspect. Pool Monica and Billy Reeves us tonight
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Speaker 1: both agree she would never just pick up and leave
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Speaker 1: and let me go in and tell you right now,
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Speaker 1: I have ruled out the boyfriend. Hold on, Brian, I
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Speaker 1: want to nail that down, Miss Reeves. Mister Reeves, isn't
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Speaker 1: it true the boyfriend was stationed elsewhere, not far from Houston,
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Speaker 1: but he absolutely was on base the night that Pamela disappears. Yes, okay,
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Speaker 1: this is why I'm saying that. Let me go to
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Speaker 1: doctor Angie Arnold first, Brian. Doctor Angela Arnold is a
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Speaker 1: renowned medical doctor psychiatrist who specializes in the.
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Speaker 2: Treatment of women.
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Speaker 1: Just voted my Buckhead's best psychiatric practice of twenty twenty two,
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Speaker 1: twenty three, and twenty four, going on twenty five, Doctor Angie,
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Speaker 1: the reason I'm asking about the fiance is that that's
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Speaker 1: where we start every investigation. For statistical I'm not just
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Speaker 1: pulling it out of thin air. Explain why I was
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Speaker 1: first focused on him.
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Speaker 10: Statistically, Nancy, these types of crimes are proms of passion,
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Speaker 10: so that is why we look at the person that
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Speaker 10: is closest.
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Speaker 6: To the victim.
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Speaker 1: She's right, Brian, fitz Gibbons back to you joining us
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Speaker 1: from USPA Nationwide Security. You have to look at boyfriend,
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Speaker 1: ex boyfriend, lover, part time boyfriend, all men or women
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Speaker 1: in your life, because statistically that's the purp not true
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Speaker 1: in this case. Now, my original question to you is,
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Speaker 1: I don't like what Monica and Billy Reeves are saying
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Speaker 1: that there is no.
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Speaker 2: Publication publicity of this case.
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Speaker 1: That they're not getting answers from Houston PD. No offense
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Speaker 1: Houston PD, but they're not getting answers. It's impossible that
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Speaker 1: she was in her apartment or sitting by the pool
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Speaker 1: or whatever at that apartment and this she just dematerializes
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Speaker 1: into than air.
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Speaker 2: That did not happen.
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Speaker 1: And the Reeves says are telling me she wouldn't just leave.
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Speaker 2: She would not just leave. She's never done that. Did
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Speaker 2: you see that graduation photo of hers.
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Speaker 1: She's wearing a gold banner around her neck for a reason,
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Speaker 1: and a gold tassel.
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Speaker 2: She's an Honograd. That's what that means.
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Speaker 1: You don't get that from laying out of work or
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Speaker 1: laying out of school. She was responsible. She didn't just
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Speaker 1: take off and not tell her family. Brian exactly. This
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Speaker 1: is a beautiful young woman.
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Speaker 11: And let's talk about the circumstances of this case that
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Speaker 11: make it so particularly disturbing. Bullet Point number one, we
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Speaker 11: just talked about we can exclude her boyfriend as a
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Speaker 11: suspect because we know that he was on base on
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Speaker 11: the military base at the t time of her disappearance.
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Speaker 11: Bullet point number two, she left her personal items, including
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Speaker 11: her cell phone, wallet, keys, and things of that nature.
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Speaker 11: And then the last point is that the police response
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Speaker 11: time to this was significantly delayed, so we lost crucial evidence,
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Speaker 11: crucial eyewitness interviews in the.
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Speaker 2: First Wait a minute, wait a minute, holds on.
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Speaker 1: I'm the first one, even though I'm from law enforcement.
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Speaker 1: I'm the first one, Andy conn that the police watched it.
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Speaker 2: I would say, so, you know why.
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Speaker 1: Because you have to deal with that in order to
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Speaker 1: solve the case or prosecute the case.
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Speaker 2: It's just a.
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Speaker 1: Reality when that happens, there's no sense in hiding it.
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Speaker 1: I don't think their response time was delayed. I think
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Speaker 1: that her being reported missing was delayed through the fault
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Speaker 1: of no one.
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Speaker 2: Andy.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you can look at it from Tutor Gouls.
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Speaker 4: I know Texas Ecosearch which I served as a board.
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Speaker 4: Remember they actually had a command station set up on
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Speaker 4: a search and hopefully a rescue back then, and I
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Speaker 4: know they went looking for her, they didn't find anything.
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Speaker 4: But ever since two thousand and seventeen, there just seems
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Speaker 4: to be a lack of interest or a concerted effort
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Speaker 4: or anything updates. There's been absolutely zero reports on any
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Speaker 4: of this. So, you know, I was just kind of
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Speaker 4: kind of stunned really that there hadn't been much attention
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Speaker 4: brought to this case. Like you said, there's a beautiful
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Speaker 4: young girl just just vanishes in the thin air, and
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Speaker 4: this is actually the first real focus that's going to
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Speaker 4: be put on hopefully finding Pam and if not, you know,
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Speaker 4: we've got a reward out.
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Speaker 1: There, five thousand dollars reward Andy Kahn Crime Stoppers in Houston.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for stepping up.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm just trying to understand Rayphus Gibbons when
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Speaker 1: you say there was a delay in the police response.
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Speaker 2: What were you talking about.
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Speaker 1: Were you talking about the delight of reporting her missing
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Speaker 1: or is there some other delight I'm not aware of.
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Speaker 6: So this was reported by the family.
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Speaker 11: There was a disturbance in the apartment that was loud
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Speaker 11: enough loud and concerning enough that led Pam's neighbor to
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Speaker 11: send her a text and ask if she's okay okay.
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Speaker 11: Pam immediately replied with the last note with her last
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Speaker 11: known communication of saying, no call the police, according to
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Speaker 11: the family, and I know they're here with us, and
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Speaker 11: they can confirm that the police arrived a significant time
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Speaker 11: later after that first call was made by the neighbor.
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Speaker 1: Oh, look at your screen. Look, Brian, look at the
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Speaker 1: photo right there. Look at Shapama right there. Look at
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Speaker 1: that little face.
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Speaker 2: Look at that beautiful smile. I mean, Monica.
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Speaker 1: I can hardly stand to look at it. I think
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Speaker 1: that this girl that was just a few years before
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Speaker 1: she went missing, this recent high school grad, Pamela Butler,
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Speaker 1: seemingly disappears, vanishes from her own apartment. Yet no one's
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Speaker 1: talking about it. Seemingly nobody cares. The family devastated. When
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Speaker 1: you see these smiling photos of her, Monica, What goes
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Speaker 1: through your mind?
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Speaker 5: I don't even I have no idea. It's hard to
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Speaker 5: even put into words.
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Speaker 2: What about it, Billy, Well, she's a very happy person.
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Speaker 6: And see one type of person that I do wish
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Speaker 6: someone to get into it. Some ones because she was
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Speaker 6: a small person.
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Speaker 7: So like we were staying in the beginning of our
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Speaker 7: family is close and we don't leave without communicating with someone.
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Speaker 1: Now I'm looking at these pictures of her, mister and
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Speaker 1: Missus Reeves, and she just reminds me so much of
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Speaker 1: my little girl growing up up. All the pictures, all
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Speaker 1: the outfits.
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Speaker 2: All the birthdays. There she is with her easter basket.
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Speaker 1: Everything that you hope for them, you dream for them,
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Speaker 1: putting all your effort, your time, your money, your energy
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Speaker 1: into them. I get this cute little thing right here
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Speaker 1: that looks like that could have been a proof of
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Speaker 1: a school photo. You know, Andy con when you look
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Speaker 1: at these photos and you think that little girl grew
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Speaker 1: into the high school grab with the beautiful smile and
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Speaker 1: the gold tassle, and.
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Speaker 2: Now nobody seems to care what happened to her.
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Speaker 4: Yeah. Like I said, I'm dis absolutely shocked, and I'm
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Speaker 4: just stunned that local media, with the exception of a
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Speaker 4: few stations, has actually on this story. There's been no
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Speaker 4: national stories until you, Nancy decided to focus on on this.
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Speaker 4: I mean, it's just a beautiful young lady. I would,
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Speaker 4: you know, if I could go back in time. I'd
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Speaker 4: love to see what happened that kind of made this
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Speaker 4: story not a story until now, and I don't get it,
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Speaker 4: but from at least from now, we are on it
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Speaker 4: at Crime Stoppers now that I've been brought into this,
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Speaker 4: and we're asking the public to step up to the
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Speaker 4: plate because guess what, somebody in the public knows what happened,
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Speaker 4: and the public is our best eyes and ears out there.
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Speaker 4: So do the right thing. Get in touch with Crime Stoppers.
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Speaker 4: All tips are anonymous, and help give this family the
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Speaker 4: answers that they so sorely lack.
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Speaker 3: Right now, where is twenty year old Shapamla Buckner. Family
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Speaker 3: and friends are desperate for answers as the search continues
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Speaker 3: for the young Texan woman.
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Speaker 1: Happened to Chapamela Butner. Let's take a look at the
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Speaker 1: facts as we know them from that night.
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Speaker 12: It's late Tuesday night when a neighbor of Chapamela's here's
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Speaker 12: what sounds like an altercation next door. Chapamela should have
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Speaker 12: been home alone that night, so she sends Chapamela a
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Speaker 12: text to see if she's all right. Chapamela responds that
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Speaker 12: she isn't okay, and she needs help. The neighbor asks
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Speaker 12: if she should call the police, and Chapamela says yes,
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Speaker 12: But authorities do not make contact with Chapamela that night.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I don't understand what that means.
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Speaker 1: Authorities do not make contact with Pamela that night. What
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Speaker 1: does that mean? Sydney summer? Did they not go? Did
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Speaker 1: they go and just go? Oh, nobody's there, let's go
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Speaker 1: get some coffee.
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Speaker 9: What happened, Nancy? According to Chapamela's family, they can confirm
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Speaker 9: with you on this. The cops did respond to the
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Speaker 9: apartment after being called. They knocked on the door, no
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Speaker 9: one answered and it was left at that And that's
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Speaker 9: when Chapamela's aunt also came by the apartment to check
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Speaker 9: on her.
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Speaker 2: Okay, speaking of the aunt, listen.
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Speaker 8: Schapamela's aunt also gets a call from Schapamela claiming she's
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Speaker 8: being attacked in her own home. Shapamela's aunt rushes to
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Speaker 8: the apartment to check on her, but someone else answers
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Speaker 8: the door and refuses to let her inside, saying Shapamela
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Speaker 8: isn't there. Shapamela doesn't answer any more texts or calls
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Speaker 8: that night.
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Speaker 1: Do you know about the Forest Point Apartment Complex's on
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Speaker 1: Northborough Drive near Forest Edge Drive, Forest Point Apartments, and
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Speaker 1: I guarantee you, Brian Fitzgibbons, USPA nationwide security look at this.
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Speaker 1: If they have manicured front greenery, landscaped yards. Look at
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Speaker 1: those trees to the left. That didn't just happen. Okay,
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Speaker 1: trees don't grow in a straight line. Look at all
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Speaker 1: those pansies right there. Look at the gate.
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Speaker 2: That's what I'm leading up to.
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Speaker 1: If you've got a gate that is mechanized to see
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Speaker 1: that sign on the gate, they've got security cams?
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Speaker 2: What about it?
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Speaker 11: Brian, Yeah, that's a big question that we have right is, Hey,
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Speaker 11: we know that there was a disturbance in the apartment.
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Speaker 11: We know what time that took place because that's forever
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Speaker 11: etched in the digital data of the cell phone messages exchanged.
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Speaker 6: And it's a big.
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Speaker 11: Question to me is why has this not been talked about?
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Speaker 11: We would have seen her leave the apartment on some
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Speaker 11: kind of surveillance, some kind of ring cam, and for
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Speaker 11: a place that that is that nice. To your point,
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Speaker 11: we have to assume that they have some sort of
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Speaker 11: surveillance system.
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Speaker 2: What about it?
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Speaker 1: To Monica and Billy Reeves family. Pamela is joining us tonight.
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Speaker 2: Was there a.
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Speaker 1: Security guard behind all those flowers?
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Speaker 2: Was there a little gatehouse?
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Speaker 1: Was there surveillance video people coming in and out of
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Speaker 1: the apartment complex?
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Speaker 12: Do you know?
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Speaker 7: We don't know, and we're not sure what the police
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Speaker 7: investigation what do they have, But we don't get any
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Speaker 7: information from you.
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Speaker 2: Have you reached out to police? Have you tried to
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Speaker 2: talk to.
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Speaker 6: Them several times? Some calls were never returned and we're
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Speaker 6: wondering what happened.
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Speaker 7: Well, we tried to get in contact with some of
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Speaker 7: the investigators that were assigned at that time, and there
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Speaker 7: was no return phone calls.
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Speaker 2: To Monica and Billy Reeves. Miss Reeves.
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Speaker 1: It's my understanding that there are some security cameras at
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Speaker 1: Forest Point apartments, Yeah, such as where.
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Speaker 5: Run off is, possibly mailboxes and that's about it.
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Speaker 1: Brian Fitzgibbons, wouldn't that be your first stop? Even as
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Speaker 1: we're learning tonight they say there were not security cams
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Speaker 1: directly near her apartment, But don't you think whoever took
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Speaker 1: her left in a car.
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Speaker 2: The car had to go out the front or the
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Speaker 2: back entrance, and that is where we believe there were
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Speaker 2: security cams, absolutely, Nancy.
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Speaker 11: And there's also as police begin investigations like this, we
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Speaker 11: would have hoped that they'd check surrounding businesses that have
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Speaker 11: security cameras as well to follow some of that vehicle traffic,
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Speaker 11: where the next stop was, where their routes were. It's
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Speaker 11: concerning that it seems like that maybe has not been done.
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Speaker 2: Crime Stores, with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: To Matthew Mangino joining me, veteran trial lawyer, former district attorney,
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Speaker 1: author of the executioners, told Matthew, you and I covered
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Speaker 1: the Alexa Murdock double murder trial in the murders of
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Speaker 1: wife Maggie and son Paul. After that murder, when he
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Speaker 1: was still walking free before he was arrested, he then
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Speaker 1: suffered a gunshot went into the head, which turned out
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Speaker 1: to need nothing but a band aid.
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Speaker 2: He claimed he.
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Speaker 1: Was attacked on the side of the road, ostensibly by
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Speaker 1: the real killers who wanted to silence him. As it
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Speaker 1: turned out, he orchestrated the whole thing, but it was
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Speaker 1: in a very rural area, and we were told at
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Speaker 1: crime Stories, of course there was no surveillance video, and
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Speaker 1: I came up with the idea, well, what about when
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Speaker 1: you turn onto that rural road in the middle of nowhere.
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Speaker 1: Guess what, there was a Baptist church right there at
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Speaker 1: the turn with surveillance video. So what Fitzgibb has just
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Speaker 1: said it is really smart. There may not have been
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Speaker 1: a camera directly pointed at Pamela Butner's apartment that she
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Speaker 1: shared with her fiance, who has an airtight alibi, But
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Speaker 1: what about the business across the street, or the crystal down.
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Speaker 2: The street, or the McDonald's.
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Speaker 1: They have surveillance videos, right, so where's all that video?
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Speaker 2: Well, right, Nancy?
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Speaker 6: And my concern here is a lack of urgency.
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Speaker 13: So the police were called, they were told about a
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Speaker 13: potential altercation, they come, nobody answers the door. It's later
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Speaker 13: determined that in her apartment she's left all her belonging.
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Speaker 13: I mean, this should this should put up huge red
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Speaker 13: flags and then there should be some urgency. Where did
22:44
Speaker 13: she go? When did she leave? And we also know
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Speaker 13: that somebody answered her door when her aunt went there.
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Speaker 13: Well who was that person? Where does that investigation lead?
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Speaker 5: You know?
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Speaker 13: So my biggest concern here is there was a lot
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Speaker 13: of flags, but there was no urgency, and that's what
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Speaker 13: the problem is.
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Speaker 3: Houston PD and Texas Equisearch scoured the area for Shapamela Buckner,
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Speaker 3: believing she may have left her apartment on foot, but
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Speaker 3: the searchers turn up no further clues to her whereabouts.
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Speaker 3: Police interviewed Chapamela's neighbor and aunt about what happened that night,
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Speaker 3: then speak with several more possible witnesses. Chappaelo's boyfriend is
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Speaker 3: confirmed to have been on base that night, nowhere near
23:25
Speaker 3: their Houston apartment. Mystery swirls around the strange disappearance of
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Speaker 3: young Texan woman Chapamela Buckner, last seen at her apartment
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Speaker 3: following an intense argument reported by neighbors.
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Speaker 2: Is that true, Sydney Sumer? Is it true?
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Speaker 1: When police arrived there was somebody in the apartment, Nancy.
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Speaker 9: When police arrived, they knocked trying to perform a welfare
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Speaker 9: check responding to this call about the potential altercation, nobody
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Speaker 9: answered the door. Later, Chapamela's aunt also went to the
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Speaker 9: apartment to check on Shapameola after getting concerning texts and
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Speaker 9: a call from her, and that's when somebody answered the
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Speaker 9: door and told Sapamela's aunt that Shapamela wasn't there, She
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Speaker 9: isn't there, she isn't home, and wouldn't let her inside
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Speaker 9: the apartment.
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Speaker 1: How secure is Forest Point apartments there in Houston? According
24:20
Speaker 1: to them, there is gated access, which means somebody had
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Speaker 1: to have access to get in and out.
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Speaker 2: And perimeter fencing. So what she climbed over a fence?
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Speaker 1: That did not happen according to other reports, they're actually
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Speaker 1: police officers that patrolled three different properties. What happened to Schapamela?
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm very curious about what we're hearing regarding
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Speaker 1: an aunt to Monica and Billie Reeves joining us family
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Speaker 1: of Pamela's.
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Speaker 2: Who is the aunt that went.
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Speaker 1: Over mister Raevis that knocked on the door and someone
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Speaker 1: actually answered the door.
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Speaker 6: That's my sister.
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Speaker 7: And but what I was understanding, she wasn't lady, And
25:14
Speaker 7: I guess who's able to talk to just talked to
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Speaker 7: her out.
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Speaker 6: On the ports and well, who was it? I'm not
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Speaker 6: sure of the person who it was.
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Speaker 2: Was it a woman or a man?
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Speaker 6: What I'm saying he was a guy.
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Speaker 1: I wonder if she could identify him in a lineup. Guys,
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Speaker 1: this is what we're learning tonight.
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Speaker 12: Listen, Houston PD officers do admit that foul play is suspected,
25:34
Speaker 12: but they remain extremely tight lipped about the investigation, releasing
25:38
Speaker 12: no more details. Police have not named any suspects or
25:42
Speaker 12: persons of interest in the case.
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Speaker 8: The lack of progress and transparency in Chappamelo's case has
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Speaker 8: her family frustrated. Based on Chappamela's last alarming conversations, the
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Speaker 8: family feels they know who is responsible for her disappearance.
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Speaker 8: They claim police have interviewed several people they believe were
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Speaker 8: at the apartment that night, but they were released and.
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Speaker 2: No charges have been filed.
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Speaker 5: We're suffering, and then they're just walking around freely with
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Speaker 5: not a care in the world, you know, like they's
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Speaker 5: nothing to them.
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Speaker 1: You were just hearing Monica when she was speaking to
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Speaker 1: our friends at Fox twenty six. Monica, do you believe
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Speaker 1: police know who's responsible for Pamela's disappearance?
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and they will not share that with you until.
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Speaker 5: They won't.
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Speaker 1: I don't get it, Andy Kahn, director of Victim Services
26:32
Speaker 1: and Advocacy at Crime Stoppers of Houston. Why not share
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Speaker 1: it with the family. They're going through h double l you.
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Speaker 4: Know, Nancy, I don't know what's been shared, what's not
26:42
Speaker 4: been shared. But let me tell you what we're going
26:45
Speaker 4: to do with crime stoppers. We're going to pick up
26:47
Speaker 4: this case. I'm going to ask the family to get
26:50
Speaker 4: in touch with me. We have a whole new police
26:53
Speaker 4: administration right now, so we're going to go ahead and
26:56
Speaker 4: set up a meeting and we're going to get this
26:58
Speaker 4: case back on the map and try to get this
27:01
Speaker 4: family some answers that they truly deserve, because right now,
27:05
Speaker 4: grief is intensified when justice is lacking, and sadly, right
27:09
Speaker 4: now justice is lacking for Pam and her family. But
27:12
Speaker 4: we're on board. We're going to get this case back
27:15
Speaker 4: where at lawed guys.
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Speaker 1: It's not the first time that seemingly everybody knew what happened.
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Speaker 2: Yet nothing is done. Do I have to say, Stacy Peterson,
27:27
Speaker 2: I guess I'm.
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Speaker 9: A big story.
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Speaker 3: But Juli a waste to hear all your time.
27:31
Speaker 2: This story is preposterous.
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Speaker 9: That she ran off with another man, she didn't take
27:34
Speaker 9: her car, she didn't come back and talk to her kids,
27:37
Speaker 9: she's never called her family.
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Speaker 1: That's from our friend doctor Phil. And remember former police
27:43
Speaker 1: officer Drew Peterson has been convicted in the murder of
27:49
Speaker 1: his other wife, wife number three, Kathleen Savio, found drowned
27:56
Speaker 1: in a bone dry bathtub. Everyone believes, which is, of course,
28:03
Speaker 1: won't Stan up in a cord of law that Drew
28:05
Speaker 1: Peterson killed fourth wife Stacy, Yet her body has never
28:10
Speaker 1: been found and nothing has been done to pursue the case. Okay,
28:15
Speaker 1: what about Crystal Rogers, So Brooks, you go to bed
28:20
Speaker 1: and she's still playing games on her phone. The next morning,
28:23
Speaker 1: around eight o'clock, you notice that she's missing. Did you
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Speaker 1: report her missing?
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Speaker 14: No, ma'am? Why That is a great question and one
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Speaker 14: that I definitely want to hear the other public in
28:37
Speaker 14: the media. I was not in the least little bit
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Speaker 14: alarmed in any way, shape or form.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's been charged in her death and disappearance. Now,
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Speaker 1: that was from our friends at hl N, Crystal Rogers,
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Speaker 1: Stacy Peterson. Is this a case out to Brian fit
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Speaker 1: Givens where apparently everybody has a very strong theory about
29:04
Speaker 1: what happened to Sheapamela, but yet nothing's being done about
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Speaker 1: it exactly.
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Speaker 11: And that's why what Andy in his organization at crime
29:13
Speaker 11: Stoppers is doing is so important. People know someone knows,
29:18
Speaker 11: people talk and the time is to pick up the
29:20
Speaker 11: phone and call crime stoppers. The time is now okay
29:25
Speaker 11: to bring this family the answers that they are longing
29:29
Speaker 11: for and to bring justice to whoever was responsible for
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Speaker 11: Pam's disappearance.
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Speaker 2: And the family makes a really good point.
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Speaker 1: Listen, know in their hearts she didn't just up and
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Speaker 1: leave without a word.
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Speaker 7: At that time, ty years old, no money or whatever.
29:48
Speaker 7: Even if she will was gone for a while, she
29:50
Speaker 7: had to eventually contact someone for some type of support.
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Speaker 1: From our friends at Fox twenty six, what did you
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Speaker 1: mean by that, mister Ravis, just twenty years old with
30:01
Speaker 1: no money, Where's she going to go? She had never
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Speaker 1: left before, she had always stayed in touch with her
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Speaker 1: whole family.
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Speaker 2: What did you mean by that?
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Speaker 7: I'm sure she had needs us needing something to eat,
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Speaker 7: any kind of needs.
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Speaker 6: People just don't leave.
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Speaker 7: And if you're not working on something at that time
30:21
Speaker 7: or whatever, you have to call somebody, one to found
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Speaker 7: a member of stuff, bus up to pick you up
30:27
Speaker 7: or come and get you, give you some support.
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Speaker 5: We know for a fact something what went on and
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Speaker 5: what happened, and we have the text messages and everything
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Speaker 5: that she was, you know, speaking to the neighbor about
30:39
Speaker 5: what was happening, and we've seen it from live from
30:41
Speaker 5: what she was saying.
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Speaker 2: From our friends Fox twenty six.
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Speaker 3: The search continues for twenty year old texted woman Chapamela Buckner,
30:48
Speaker 3: last seen at her apartment. Chapamela Buckner is African American,
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Speaker 3: four foot eleven with black hair and brown eyes. At
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Speaker 3: the time for disappearance, Shapamela weed one hundred pound and
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Speaker 3: wore her hair straightened. She has pierced ears and glasses.
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Speaker 3: If you have any information on Chapamelo Latricia Buckner, now
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Speaker 3: missing eight years, please call Houston PD at eight three
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Speaker 3: two three nine four one eight four zero.
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Speaker 2: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: It's not the first time someone vanishes from their apartment.
31:32
Speaker 1: A beautiful young woman, seemingly without a trace, very reminiscent
31:38
Speaker 1: of Jennifer Kessey.
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Speaker 12: Jennifer Kessie usually calls her boyfriend Rob on her way
31:42
Speaker 12: to work between seven thirty and eight am. When he
31:44
Speaker 12: doesn't get the call, he remembers Jennifer told him last
31:47
Speaker 12: night on the phone she had a meeting this morning,
31:49
Speaker 12: so he calls and leaves a message. When Jennifer doesn't
31:52
Speaker 12: show up for work, and calls around answered. Co workers
31:54
Speaker 12: are concerned. It isn't like Jennifer to be a no call,
31:56
Speaker 12: no show. Drew Enjoyce Cassie drive from Tampa to Orlando.
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Speaker 12: In the condo, Jennifer's parents find a damp towel and
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Speaker 12: work clothes are laid out, like she got up and
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Speaker 12: got ready for work. The Kessie's alert police, family and
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Speaker 12: friends that Jennifer is missing. Two days into the search,
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Speaker 12: Jennifer's car is found at an apartment complex one point
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Speaker 12: two miles away from her condo. Surveillance cameras recorded a
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Speaker 12: person other than Jennifer parking her car and walking away.
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Speaker 12: The image from the camera isn't clear enough to identify
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Speaker 12: the individual.
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Speaker 2: You know, Sidney Sumner, just like Jennifer Kessy.
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Speaker 1: When the family went into her condo, they could tell
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Speaker 1: she was getting ready for work to go to work
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Speaker 1: that morning. She was there the night before. Her work
32:36
Speaker 1: clothes were all laid out on the bay, you know,
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Speaker 1: trying different outfits with a shoes to go with them.
32:41
Speaker 1: The shower stall was actually still damp, the towels were
32:45
Speaker 1: still damp when they got there.
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Speaker 2: But no Jennifer.
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Speaker 1: And this case isn't it true, Sidney, that Sheapamela's belongings
32:53
Speaker 1: were still in the apartment.
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Speaker 9: That is correct, Nancy. All of her items that she
32:58
Speaker 9: would have taken with her she left were still inside.
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Speaker 9: Her phone, her purse, her id, her wallet, her keys.
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Speaker 9: They were all left in the apartment. And that's not
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Speaker 9: something Chapamela would leave behind. I mean, how do you
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Speaker 9: she wouldn't have left willingly if her keys were still
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Speaker 9: insult how do you even lock the door behind you?
33:19
Speaker 9: This indicates that Sapamela was not intending to leave the
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Speaker 9: apartment that night.
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Speaker 1: To Monica and Billy revis joining us. Has she ever
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Speaker 1: disappeared before? I mean, she's a recent high school grad.
33:32
Speaker 1: She hasn't even lived long enough to quote disappear very often.
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Speaker 1: But wasn't she very close contact with all of her family?
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Speaker 1: Wasn't that her routine?
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Speaker 7: Yes, at least she would go nowhere without her phone
33:47
Speaker 7: to call one of us if she needed help.
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Speaker 1: This goes against everything we know about routine, evidence evidence
33:54
Speaker 1: of routine.
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Speaker 2: She would never.
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Speaker 1: Leave without her phone number one and number like any
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Speaker 1: recent high school grad. They're not getting disattached from their phone.
34:03
Speaker 1: But her phone was left behind, her purse, her keys, everything,
34:08
Speaker 1: and also her routine of contacting family multiple times every day,
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Speaker 1: even if just to say hello, she didn't. She immediately stopped,
34:17
Speaker 1: dropped off the map. There's been no use of her
34:21
Speaker 1: bank or credit cards, nothing like that.
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Speaker 2: She's definitely met with foul play. What About It? Brian Fitzgibbons.
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Speaker 11: When we see major deviations from somebody's daily routine, that's
34:32
Speaker 11: certainly something that's going to lead an investigation. Aside from
34:36
Speaker 11: the obvious that we've mentioned a couple of times that
34:38
Speaker 11: she left her cell phone, her keys, her wallet and
34:41
Speaker 11: personal items behind. When we see a break in a
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Speaker 11: communication pattern, that's significantly concerning for the investigation.
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Speaker 1: I understand that Texas Equisearch has been involved in the case.
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Speaker 2: What About It, Sydney.
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Speaker 9: Shortly after Shapamla disappeared, Texas Equisearch spent a short time
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Speaker 9: investigating the case, searching for Schapamela around the area of
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Speaker 9: her apartment, but it's unclear how involved EQUA Search still
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Speaker 9: is to this day.
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Speaker 1: To Monica and Billy Ravis, Texas Equo Search joining in
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Speaker 1: the search.
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Speaker 2: They're volunteers.
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Speaker 1: But what have the police been doing to try to
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Speaker 1: find Chapamela.
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Speaker 5: The last that we were told was that they was
35:21
Speaker 5: going to go back over the case with the fine tooth,
35:26
Speaker 5: come with more the more updated evidence that they did have,
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Speaker 5: but they never did reach back out to us after.
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Speaker 6: It the leducation. Then all of a sudden, the person
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Speaker 6: goes missing.
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Speaker 15: Uh.
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Speaker 7: You don't want to jump to no conclusion to say
35:39
Speaker 7: something bad has happened.
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Speaker 1: You just hope from our friends Fox twenty six.
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Speaker 3: Kee's first debit card. Everything was left at the house.
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Speaker 3: Chapameela Buckner's family says, the missing Texan woman didn't just
35:54
Speaker 3: up and leave on her own. Where is Schapamela Buckner?
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Speaker 1: Everything's still there, but no Shepamela to Monica and Billy Revs'
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Speaker 1: family joining us tonight.
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Speaker 2: Have you been back to her apartment? What did you observe?
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Speaker 5: Everything's still there as if they.
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Speaker 1: Live there, you know, Monica Reeves, Billy Reeves, I remember
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Speaker 1: a missing teacher and I went with her mother into
36:23
Speaker 1: her home, Tara Grinstead, and her little home was just
36:28
Speaker 1: picture perfect. It looked like it came out of a
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Speaker 1: home DECORPS catalog.
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Speaker 2: You know. She had it so cute.
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Speaker 1: And everything was in place, except she was missing. It's
36:41
Speaker 1: like time froze and the most important thing, Tara was gone.
36:48
Speaker 1: Now that was Sarah Grinstead's home. But in Chapamela's apartment,
36:53
Speaker 1: did you see size of a struggle.
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Speaker 5: In her Nie was closed everywhere, the bathroom was like
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Speaker 5: Stovo curtains, one floor, it was just anywhere.
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Speaker 1: You know, I don't get it, Brian Fitzgibbons. There's clearly
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Speaker 1: been a struggle. Somebody answered the door. What is the problem.
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Speaker 1: That person has got to be at the very least
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Speaker 1: a pay person of interest, if not a suspect.
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Speaker 11: Of course, and we know that the disturbance was big
37:32
Speaker 11: enough that the neighbor contacted Chapamela and then called the police. Right,
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Speaker 11: So if this person or person's have remained squatting in
37:42
Speaker 11: the apartment, you know, I'd like to know where they've
37:45
Speaker 11: been for the next.
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Speaker 6: Eight years and what's happened.
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Speaker 11: You know, they're absolutely persons of interest in my mind.
37:52
Speaker 5: Listen, we're suffering and then they're just walking around freely
37:56
Speaker 5: with not a care in the world, you know, like
37:58
Speaker 5: they nothing to.
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Speaker 1: Them around fans at Fox twenty six to doctor Angela Arnold,
38:04
Speaker 1: renounced psychiatrist in the Atlanta jurisdiction. Doctor angel we've seen
38:07
Speaker 1: this before. The family is suffering while they presumed perpetrator
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Speaker 1: is just walking.
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Speaker 2: Free with not a care in the world, just like
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Speaker 2: the family just said.
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Speaker 10: Well, and you know, Nancy is the family appears so
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Speaker 10: sad today because I know that on the show, we
38:24
Speaker 10: are all getting the feeling that it's like their hands
38:27
Speaker 10: are tied. No one's communicating with them. If you hadn't
38:31
Speaker 10: have brought this to anyone's attention, Nancy, it would just
38:34
Speaker 10: be a cold case forever. And there's so many holes
38:38
Speaker 10: in the story. I can't imagine how they're getting through this.
38:44
Speaker 10: And I can't believe the lack of concern that has
38:49
Speaker 10: been shown by this police department.
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Speaker 5: We need them to just go into detail and tell
38:55
Speaker 5: everything that happened and what was the end result. Just
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Speaker 5: to be on it, just to come and talk to
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Speaker 5: doesn't tell us.
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Speaker 1: From Fox twenty six, I mean, I'm curious to Billy Reeves,
39:05
Speaker 1: it's just Sheppamoa's uncle.
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Speaker 2: How does that make you feel to think someone took her,
39:13
Speaker 2: possibly killed her.
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Speaker 1: And they're walking free and you cannot get straight answers
39:20
Speaker 1: from the Houston Police Department.
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Speaker 2: What's happening?
39:25
Speaker 1: Do you think they know information they can't tell you
39:29
Speaker 1: that would somehow compromise the investigation.
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Speaker 2: I want to hear your feelings.
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Speaker 6: Well, that's what I'm thinking. If they have.
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Speaker 7: Information and because the case is still open, they won't
39:43
Speaker 7: share it with us. From that point, that's all we
39:45
Speaker 7: can go with is that it's ongoing occasion, they don't
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Speaker 7: want to put out too much information.
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Speaker 15: Is that your thought, Monica, Well, we had a meeting
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Speaker 15: with them again with HBD and from and they have
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Speaker 15: everything they need to know.
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Speaker 5: They showed it to us and they just haven't did anything.
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Speaker 2: And what are your thoughts on that they.
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Speaker 5: Need to do their job because they already know. They
40:11
Speaker 5: basically pretty much showed me and told me everything, and
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Speaker 5: I showed them a lot of information and they basically
40:19
Speaker 5: had much.
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Speaker 6: Shots of so many people that are involved, and they.
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Speaker 2: Know, but yet nothing is happening.
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Speaker 14: Nothing.
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Speaker 2: Did they explain why they're not doing anything.
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Speaker 5: We haven't spoke with them again. Every time I email
40:31
Speaker 5: them or contact them called. I even had the investigative
40:35
Speaker 5: cell number, they stopped responding.
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Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything about the
40:41
Speaker 1: disappearance of this recent high school grad Pamela Buckner, please
40:47
Speaker 1: call Houston p D eight three two three nine, four
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Speaker 1: one eight four zero. Tonight, we announced a five thousand
40:57
Speaker 1: dollars reward for information leading to cracking this case at
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Speaker 1: Houston Crime Stoppers seven.
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Speaker 2: One three two two two eight four.
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Speaker 1: Seven seven repeat seven one three, two, two two, eight
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Speaker 1: four seven seven. Please help us solve the case. For
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Speaker 1: Chappamela's family, we remember an American hero. Correctional Sergeant Andrew
41:27
Speaker 1: fought Illinois Department Corrections, passed away in the line of duty.
41:34
Speaker 1: He served six years with Ellie and survived by parents
41:37
Speaker 1: Linda and Eric, Timothy and Gina, and siblings Ashley, Patrick, Deborah, Cassidy, Katie, Aaron,
41:49
Speaker 1: and Savannah. American hero correctional Sergeant Andrew fought Nancy Gray
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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye Friendti