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TCW26: Mark Zuckerberg had a baby and Elon Musk did NOT send flowers · The Curve

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  Hi and welcome to the Curve Weekly. The podcast that keeps you up to date with all the money,
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  business and stock market tea. Everyone should experience for us at least once in their lives
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  and Annie shouldn't miss out just because she can afford it. Help me, I'm poor. I feel like
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  I've wrapped myself up as a present. Yeah, you kind of look like a present. I love the stress,
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  it's so fun. Fun, fun, fun, fun, fun, fun. Just really dressing up for you. Yeah, I love it.
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  It's because everyone keeps coming and saying, you're their fashion muse and I'm getting jealous.
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  I will wear a Pinterest and look like a present. Hi, and going out, shine Victoria.
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  Oh, you guys are so good. Whereas I'm just like morphing into the couch.
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  I love it. I like it. Yeah. Very, um, tonal. Yeah. On brand. Yeah. Yeah. I would not be
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  saying it. Just for context, I'm wearing it. Right. Did you say you've never been seen
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  didn't I? Well, not, not seen. I've just like, it's very you. It's you. Oh, that's always
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  such a non-common. No, but it is. We have very different fashion tastes. And that's what I mean.
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  I'm not meaning like, it's so you. I'm meaning like, it's like, they like, do you like them?
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  You're like, they're nice. They've got a good personality. Yeah. Oh, god, I thought you'd think
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  this is quite cool. No, it is cool. Do you think it's objectively cool or do you look at it and
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  think like, oh, if I saw a girl walking down the street, I'd be like, fun. Okay. But I wouldn't
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  be able to down the street. Yeah. Just not my vibe. Okay. Stalk market. Yeah. Stalk market.
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  Yeah. Oh, gosh. So the US stock market and so the S&P 500 and the NASDAQ both up one cent
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  ish. We'll just round up. So they basically the same as last week. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. I'm just
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  like, let's just call the space. And the Australian market was down to point two percent.
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  And this is all around the head and interest rate announcement last week, even though they
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  kept interest rates on hold, which is usually good news for the stock market. So they're not going
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  up or down. That's how they just held them flat. Yeah. Which is usually pretty good news. But they did,
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  it was the commentary around the announcement. And it was all around the fact that there will be more
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  interest rate hikes, what increases in the future. So that's not good news. So that's why the
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  stock market sold off. In the little old New Zealand, we were up about half percent. Again,
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  not worth running on. Yeah. One day maybe we'll just like, Jazzy run a bit out.
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  It's up 10%. But yeah. I think actually one of the things I wanted to ask you that you put
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  in the curve weekly newsletter was, are you going to steal my thunder game? Oh, okay. Sorry.
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  You can turn your home. No, no, hit me. I was just going to ask one of the things you talked
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  about in the email was the idea, like, don't get too excited if things are going well.
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  Yeah. Yeah. And don't get greedy. And I said, what do you mean by greedy? Do you mean taking
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  the money out because you think you've made lots? A bit of that. But also people
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  expect that's going forward. You know, it's like, oh my gosh, we've had such a good first half
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  of the year. And then put more in basically. Yeah. Or be like, and then when the second half of the
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  year might not be as good, they're like, oh, what, what happened? It's like, you know, you've got to
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  look at it over the long term. Like, don't get, it's almost being a bit of a, you know,
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  DB downer. So I'm brand-few. Yeah. And being like, so I that was made, that was actually made.
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  No, no, no. But you are quite good at being realistic and like, I think this has come from years
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  in the finance industry. So I remember when I first started, I was like, oh my god, this is so
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  exciting. Like, you know, and then people will, like, companies that would meet with, they're like,
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  oh, they're going to do this, this, this, and even relate, they've been saying that fear isn't
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  they've never done it. You know, so you kind of get bought down a pig or five. So you've lost your
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  shine a bit. Yeah, I've just become more pessimistic, you know, things and reading headlines and,
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  you know, they're always saying, it's more, I've become, I guess, more objective looking at things
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  being like, okay, if something's really good, it's like, oh, yeah, but, but why? Do you know what I
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  mean? Kind of, yeah. You know, it's just like, can you make sure I don't do that? I need to always be
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  the opposite of that, I think. Yeah. You can be like the cheerleader. And I'll be like, oh,
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  don't cheer too loud. So sorry, it's more about just don't get too excited. Don't take your money
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  out unless you're at the end of your goal, invest in goal, whatever that is. Or don't also
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  expect those kind of returns going forward. Like, the NASDAQ up 30%. That's not normal.
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  It's not 30%. Did you just say that? No, last week. Oh, you're sorry. Oh, you needed to remind me
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  that you're that high in comparison, because when you sit up one, I'm like boring. Yeah,
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  it's up 30. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. We was that bloody hell. I can't believe you
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  didn't think like my lack of reaction. I see what you mean. So it's the idea that it's up a lock.
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  Yeah. Yeah. This time last year. Yeah. So don't, don't be like, oh, cool. Well, I'm going to put
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  more money in and it's going to be up another 30, 40% because we don't know that it could be,
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  but we don't know that. So it's just, just, you know, look at the glass half empty.
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  So hypothetically, if you wanted to take the money out, if it's up 30% and you're thinking,
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  it's quite good, actually. Yeah. I'm really happy with my what's a NASDAQ stock apple.
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  Yep. So say I look at my apple shares and there are 31% and I think, I want to take that money out.
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  Yeah. Why is that a bad thing to do? Because you're timing the market and you could miss out on
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  more gains. And if you've got a 10 year goal, why are you taking the money out?
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  Because what if you then put it back in? Into what? The same thing. Or is that kind of like, yeah,
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  okay. It's more just don't look at the short term movements and concern yourself as much.
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  You know, like investing, if you want to do investing, well, it's kind of a set and forget,
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  invest or consistently and regularly invest, you know, be a boring investor.
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  I think the thing is because I recently took out my Netflix shares that have done so well.
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  And then did you reinvest that? No, I haven't got enough to reinvest yet.
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  But I will. No, sorry. That was me, but it's like, this is the people were like,
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  oh, cool. I've made lots of money. I'll take it out and either spend it or reinvest it and they
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  don't reinvest it. Whereas if you don't need the money or you haven't achieved your goal yet,
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  just don't do anything. But my point is like, okay, I got quite excited by that because I got,
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  I make $3,000 on my $3,000 and I thought there's 100%. Yeah. It's amazing. It was over 100%.
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  So why would I not take that out and then invest it in something else?
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  Because if that then goes up another 100%, you've got 100% on $6,000. There's a lot more than
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  a 100% on $3,000. Okay. Okay. Okay. So a 10% return on a higher base.
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  It's got a lot more dollar value. So this is what we talk about when we talk about compounding
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  and compound interest. You know, if you keep taking out your gains, you're not going to be getting
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  that exponential growth. Okay. Okay. That's all I needed because I was feeling tempted anyway.
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  Sorry. Back to what's been happening in the week. Sorry, man. She's in the bad mood today.
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  I know. I just feel like it's hard to get through. Sorry. Oh, my, oh, my little list.
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  Okay. I'm just going to switch and just you just go for it. Well, no, because we were
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  book us to work. Okay. I'll have minimal input. No, I love your inputs. I do. I do. Okay. So
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  some fun, exciting stuff happened over the last couple of days. Three threads. Yeah. How fun
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  is that? Oh, my God. If you haven't heard of threads, download it. Not sure what you've heard
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  of threads. Honestly, I was sitting. You messaged me and I was like, what are you talking about?
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  What are we talking about? I was sitting in this co-working space here in London and I noticed
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  it, I think, quite early. It was honestly like an apocalypse have happened or something,
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  or there's some natural disaster. The sound of every undiscovering threads was hilarious.
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  It was like, people next to me, oh my God, have you heard of this new threads? Someone opposite
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  down the hallway, but they were like, oh my gosh, threads. Oh, you're not on it? It was
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  like, it was like, it feels like mangoes when they were like, I wish I'd been there. And
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  they were like, what do you mean? What is it? How do I access it? All these questions. And I
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  was just sitting there going, lol. It's like, I was like, we're already on the air. You know?
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  You know? I literally did. I was like, I'm going to be a doctor. I literally did. I was like,
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  I'm going to be a doctor, but it was quite funny. It was kind of felt like what it would have
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  felt like if Instagram had just launched all of a sudden. Yeah. I think the thing is, when
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  Instagram launched, no one really got it. Yes, yeah. And it wasn't what it is today. You know,
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  it was static photos. It was, it had a lot less features. Yeah. Whereas I think as soon as you
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  saw everyone saw threads, they were like, oh, thank God. And I just spent seven hours a day
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  making TikTok videos. Yeah. And I just loved all the memes. And people were saying, oh, gosh,
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  I hope this platform was just full of memes and continues to be memes. You know, the people
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  being like, oh, just discovered threads for the first time. Oh, it was actually quite hilarious.
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  I'm supporting the less annoying millionaire. Yeah. Yeah. That's so good. Like, cool. Another
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  social media app to waste away my day. Yeah. But what I love about it though is you can just
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  think something and type it. Yeah. I think all social media apps at the moment feel like there
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  is so much effort and time and you need a team of people to make it happen. It's not really like
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  this DIY fun situation. Like it's very debated. It's not, yeah, it's not like instantaneous.
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  Even TikTok, you spend so long making those videos. I don't care how raw and authentic and vulnerable
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  you are. You're still having to make. But for those of you who don't know what threads are
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  sorry. I feel like something. We're like, what is it? So threads is so if you remember last week,
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  we spoke about how Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk were appreciating each other for a cage fright.
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  Because Mark Zuckerberg was like, you know what? Twitter's shirt, I'm going to create my own. And
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  and Elon Musk was like, yeah, okay, go for it. And so did he say go for it? Well, he was pretty
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  much like, you know, try and go go try. Yeah. Which, saying to the biggest social media company in
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  the world, probably not the best idea. I feel like this is arrogant from Elon. And I also think
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  like an age thing like Mark Zuckerberg's younger, he gets the younger demographic, you know, like Elon
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  Musk is a bit older and like now I look at threads versus Twitter and I'm like, Twitter's just for like
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  old people. Well, it's weird you say that because I remember my dad was the one that first told me
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  about Twitter. Even in the very beginning, he was like, have you done a tweet? What the hell is
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  a tweet? But so threads is Instagram's answer to Twitter. And it's super fun and super exciting.
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  And it's, yeah, it's going to be interesting to see what plays out because they had 10 million
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  users in the first seven hours. The last I checked, they've got 55 million users, which
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  imagine that's just like crazy. So, but Twitter does have 350 million users. So this is
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  interesting because it's the first I guess play at or a direct play, a direct target at another
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  big tech company that that that that meter has taken. And interestingly, Mark Zuckerberg posted
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  his first tweet in 11 years on Twitter. So he tweeted on Twitter a photo of two identical
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  spider men like facing off like pointing jabs at each other and like that was it. So it was kind
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  of like it is a bit of telling in cheek, but it's also got a bit spicy now because Twitter or the
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  parent company of Twitter, which is X Corporation, has sued meter because meter hired a whole lot
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  of Twitter people. So Twitter is suing meter saying that those people stole a lot of IP and a lot
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  of content and knowledge that they had and used it to set up threads. So we're going to see how this
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  plays out, but like I honestly feel more invested in the story that I should be. So I am living for
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  yeah. And it's funny. It's all like team Zuckerberg team Elon like on on.
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  Who is team Elon? Is anyone team Elon? Well, I don't know like he he's built some pretty
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  incredible businesses. He's not just going to sit back and take this. So it's going to be if I
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  was like Microsoft and like Apple and Amazon sitting in the corner of your like he and Google just
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  being like watching this or play out every quite funny. I don't know the whole thing just like
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  it'll be interesting to see what happens. I just can't imagine that Mark Zuckerberg would launch an
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  app that he knew he would get sued for. I feel like they were 100% covered. Also, they got
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  sort of billion dollars. They've got 40 billion dollars in cash. They'd be like, oh yeah, yeah,
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  you know, like I don't know what they get sued. What amount? So maybe they're just taking the
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  risk. Oh, you just say the risk and be like, yeah, we'll pay the fine or whatever. I don't know.
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  I'm not saying that. Sure. You can shut it down. But it's funny because meter has done this
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  multiple times in terms of, you know, Instagram and your reals even. Yeah, we to buy Snapchat,
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  Snapchat said, no, no, thank you. We don't want to be bought. And so Mark Zuckerberg was like, okay,
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  sweet. We'll just create Snapchat on Instagram effectively. And so they did that with the 24-hour
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  with stories and now it's kind of come out like, okay, cool. We'll just create Twitter
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  on Instagram, which is straight. So they effectively taking parts of all these social media platforms
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  and creating a massive, yeah. So it's quite incredible. And they bought Instagram for a billion
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  dollars in 2012. And it had 13 employees. Is that all? Yeah. And now it's, we'll meet it as
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  if that's worth $750 billion. And the majority of that's Instagram. So the business has gone from
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  like, yeah, billion dollars to around 700 billion, which is just crazy. But he knows what he's doing
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  is what I'm saying. So I'm excited. Saying. Yeah. I also wonder the only thing that he hasn't
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  now does copying TikTok. Yeah. He had the reels on Instagram is not the same. No. And I think
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  the thing that's great about threads is it was so easy to log in. It basically took me all of two
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  seconds. I don't even have to create an account because it just pulled everything from the curves
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  account across. And it's just so easy to follow people. So it's not like starting from scratch.
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  Yeah. Just feels less admin. Yeah. Whereas TikTok, I'm just like, oh bloody hell. Yeah.
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  New profile. New friends. Yeah. Yeah. And other big company news, Apple,
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  its share price is now over $190 a share, which means that it is now worth over $3 trillion.
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  So it's the first company ever to reach the $3 trillion club. Now, yeah. So that's like,
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  that's massive. So it was billion and then trillion. That's 12 zeros.
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  So billion trillion. Million billion trillion. What after that?
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  gazillion. Is gazillion a thing? I don't know. I assume so. We'll probably find out if they
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  continue growing. So just to put this in perspective, this is the same size as 12 Airbnb's.
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  And we all know how massive Airbnb is like in terms of its reach. And it's the same size as six
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  Disney's. Or the entire size of the UK. Yeah. What do you mean by that thought?
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  So the GDP. So that's how you measure the size of an economy or a country, which is its output,
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  is three trillion. And so same with Apple. So Apple is like worth the same. That was an entire
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  country. Yes. Yeah. Which is crazy. Yeah. And when we say, you know, the $3 trillion dollar value
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  or the market cap. So the market cap. So how we how they come up with that value is you take the
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  share price and the number of shares that the company has available to shareholders and you times
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  them, you multiply them together. So if you're say you've got you small numbers. Yeah. I'm
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  saying you've got a hundred shares. And they're each valued at a dollar. Then companies a hundred
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  dollars. Yeah. The value of the company, the market cap would be a hundred dollars. Now say that
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  the share price goes up to two dollars. Yeah. Then the value of the company is two hundred dollars.
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  Okay. I get it. So if your share price does continue to do well and well and well. And that's what's
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  happened with Apple is that the share price has grown like 50% this year. So their share price keeps
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  going up and up and up. So even though the number of shares is staying the same, that leads to an
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  increase in value got the overall business. So that's yeah. When the value of the business goes up,
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  it's because it's usually because the share price has gone up so well. But also my favorite company,
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  Microsoft is close behind. Oh God. Is it really? It's at 2.6 trillion. Wow. Yeah. Oh yeah. So it
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  is quite close. Yeah. So go Microsoft. Close seconds. I just wish I had a cooler name. Microsoft
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  just sounds so good. I know, but it's the boring ones that always win the race, you know. And in
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  other news, Tesla. So well, we're just on the conversation of Elon may as well continue. Yeah.
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  He's actually done quite well this year. Tesla shares up over a hundred and a hundred percent.
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  Yeah. Thank God. Up until this year's they were looking pretty down the toilet at one point.
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  Yes, they were. So this week they had a really strong week. They've delivered nearly 500,000
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  vehicles in the first, sorry, in the second three months of this year. So in the June quarter,
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  sorry, they was confusing the second three months. Wow. My gosh. Even I was. It's because I
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  haven't eaten as well. I haven't eaten. Sorry in the June quarter. So we're talking about April,
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  May and June. They delivered half million vehicles. Right. Which was greater than what people
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  expected. So this year price was up about 7%. I did read in your email though that it's not
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  necessarily a good thing. No. Well, they've had two price cuts of the vehicle. So they've lowered
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  their prices. And so with anything, if it's, if you lower the price, it becomes cheaper,
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  you're going to encourage people to purchase more. Yeah. So it's kind of, it's like almost like a fake
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  one. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, it's still a one of a world. At least just think it is because the
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  sheer price has gone up. So it's still, it's still pretty good news. I think it'll just be
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  interesting to see what happens when, you know, the Mercedes of the world, the Audi's of the world,
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  where all the really lush brands of cars are producing just as many electric vehicles.
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  Yeah. Well, it's a good sign. I mean, the fact that they all are is awesome. Yeah. But,
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  yeah, it was that Tesla was the poster child for electric vehicles. And then now all the,
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  all the others are following. So which is why I went to a Copenhagen design museum once. And
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  I think it was in the 80s. There was a tiny little car that was produced. In fact, I might just get
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  my phone over, actually, like took a photo of it. I still have it. But essentially someone
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  created their electric car years ago. Years ago. And it was for one person. It was this tiny little
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  rocket thing. Yeah. I'll show you how to. Yeah. That's interesting that you say that because some
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  companies, they do this. They create, they have these innovations and they create these products.
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  But they don't bring them to market or, you know, sell them, make them commercial because they're
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  worried that they're going to be detrimental to their own business. I love it less. Oh, I know.
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  Amazing. It's like a terrible, terrible, expensive video of it. Can you say? Yeah. Wow. It's like
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  a terrible Toyota Prius. So it said, this small one set of vehicles presented to an astonished
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  public at night in the 1985 motor show. Wow. Two years later, it was commercially available.
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  It was called the alert. And it was an alternative to public transport and
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  everyday short trips. Few realized then that electrically powered cars with a future. However,
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  some 20 years later, Tesla arrived in the scene and on roads were wide. So you could actually buy
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  an electric car. Yeah. I mean, how many years ago was that? A lot. A lot. Yeah. I would have driven
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  that. I wouldn't. I totally would. I'd be like, I'm in a spaceship. I'll prefer to walk.
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  Really? I think it's quite cool. Anyway, we have decided to add something to this segment.
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  Oh, my God. We have. I forgot about this. Yeah. I knew you would have.
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  It is Saturday. So we used to do it. Would you rather than we were like, you know what? Maybe
• 19:57
  let's make it a bit more educational. Can you also just give us feedback if you prefer the
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  would you rather? Yeah. We're going to go back to it. We do get a lot of questions coming through
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  Instagram, through our emails, asking certain things, which is awesome. And so we thought, you
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  know, we maybe we'd address them because other people might have the same question. So we'd
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  address them at the end of the curve weekly. So one, I've actually noticed we've got a lot of
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  questions about recently is around the difference between ETFs and index funds. Now with ETFs,
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  you can invest in lots of different things. So you can invest in healthcare companies. You could
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  invest in crypto companies. You could invest in cybersecurity. What do you do? Basically,
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  like a big bundle of big bundle of big bundle of companies. And you can also invest in the index,
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  well, index of a country or a stock market. So you could have an essentially like 180. Yeah.
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  Yep. And that is essentially an index fund. Yeah. Then index ETF, which is an exchange traded fund.
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  So index funds can either are effectively the same thing. But some are listed on the stock
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  exchange in some art. Some are done through a fund manager where it's not through the stock exchange
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  and others are done on the stock exchange. If it's on the stock exchange, it's an ETF. So
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  that's where the confusion comes. And some people use them interchangeably, but they're essentially
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  the same thing. But why would you invest? So you literally, it just depends if you're managing your
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  own money and buying it on a DIY situation or if you're going through a fund manager. Because if
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  you're buying it on say, she has these hatch whatever, you would buy an ETF because that's on the
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  stock exchange. But you can also, this is where it gets so muddy, is that you can also, you can invest
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  in an index fund through shearsies that's not on the stock exchange. But why would you do that?
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  Because if you want everything in one place, like you can invest in fund managers on shearsies,
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  because then all your investments are in one place. This is why it's so confusing. Like we need a
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  diagram. Maybe I'll do a diagram. So basically they're the same thing. They're effectively the same
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  thing. An ETF that invests in the index and an index fund are the same thing.
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  Bloody hell. Why don't they just have the same thing?
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  I know. And then you don't even go there.
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  There's more to it. I'll just stop there because everyone's probably going to be like,
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  oh gosh. Yeah. So I would like to take a vote on this. Can you send us a DM please on Instagram
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  with? Did you like the word you rather or would you prefer questions? Because it would be good
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  to know what's more helpful. Yes. That's such interesting. And that's it. I need to go
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