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Five Mass Tort Trials at Once? Live Updates from NTL Miami · The Jon and Marc Podcast

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  We are live from National Trial Lawyers in Miami, we are live
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  streaming this and we are live in person for Tor Talks Day 2
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  Miami. We have John, Mark and the
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  wonderful Joe Fantini. Thanks for being here.
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  Thanks for having me guys. Excited to do another live
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  edition of Tort Talk. So unfortunately we were unable
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  to do an episode of Pillow talk because we couldn't get a bed
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  here inside the Conference Center at the Loews Hotel.
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  But maybe at the next mass tort may perfect, we'll bring back
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  pillow talk, but we have a lot of updates to go through a very,
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  very busy week in the mass tort world.
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  So let's hop into some of the different trials that are going
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  on. I.
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  I, I want to talk about social media addiction because I was
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  really tries to see the Snapchat settlement.
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  So they're out of the trial. The trial starts actually today,
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  the 27th in California. Lanier is handling the trial.
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  I know Bergman is out there from Social Media Victims Law Center.
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  Give us like the current state of that trial and what you
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  think's going to happen. Yeah, I, I was surprised that
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  it's still going on at this point.
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  Honestly, right after Snap settled, I thought the other
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  ones would settle as well. We talked a little bit off
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  camera about Meadow being worth more than a trillion dollars and
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  they're going to let, you know, Zuckerberg testify.
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  It just doesn't, you know, make business sense from my
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  perspective for that to happen. So I, I think we're going to
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  have a settlement probably at some point during the trial.
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  I don't think it's going to go all the way through.
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  I don't think it's going to go to verdict.
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  You know, the longer it goes on that the more they're going to
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  have to pay during the trial. But it doesn't seem like it's
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  positioned right now for a global settlement in that
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  litigation. So I think this one case
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  settles. And then coming up behind it, we
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  have in the NBL, it's the school district bellwether trial next
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  month. So maybe the defendants are
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  trying to get a feeling on the value of the individual
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  plaintiffs versus school districts.
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  They just lost a motion to dismiss and that MDL so that
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  trials on as well. But I haven't heard any real
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  substantive talks of global right now, but I think that
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  could happen this year in 26th. So we're talking about is it
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  just Meta that's left or is Google in it too?
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  TikTok. Yeah, there's other defendants,
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  Google, TikTok, and then even in different cases, you know,
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  there's a lot of different defendants as well.
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  So this trial that's going on, you know, I think it's doesn't
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  make sense for Mehta to have. Zuckerberg on the trial.
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  Yeah. You think they'll settle out
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  before he testifies? That that's what I would
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  envision, right. You know, I, I think that would
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  happen. We still have to go through jury
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  selection. We have to, you know, get the
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  trial underway, the opening so there there's some time, but I
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  haven't heard a specific date when he's going to be called
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  yet. Maybe that's out there, but I I
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  don't see this case going to verdict.
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  I heard it's impossible to get in the courtroom.
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  They're not going to be live streaming it.
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  It'll be interesting to see how much mainstream media coverage
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  this winds up getting. But this is going to set the
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  table for the future of this litigation.
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  Snapchat settling out with a very positive sign for
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  plaintiffs. The 230 stuff I think is
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  somewhat in the rearview mirror, right?
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  And now we're just dealing with like, how is each of these
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  companies going to kind of set the table for the future of what
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  they're going to do with each of these, each of these bellwether
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  trials? And then, you know, is a global
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  going to come? We hope so, right?
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  And like you said, it's going to set set the table for this
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  litigation. But then this is video game
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  addiction. This is online gambling
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  gambling, you know, this is going to be the road map for the
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  Roblox cases. It's going to be for the ChatGPT
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  suicide cases. This is really laying it all
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  out. So like we've talked time and
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  time again, it's, it's this new age of mass torts, right?
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  When's the last time you heard somebody talk about a product, a
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  medical device in mass torts? It's it's not talked about.
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  It's all on these digital platforms.
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  So we're going to be focusing on that for the next 3, five years.
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  Make sure you follow along for Tort Talk, the most important 10
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  minutes of mass tort each week on the John and Mark podcast.
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  With Joe Fantini, I was. Trying to think the last like
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  major drug that like got any attention was Ozempic.
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  Yeah, and that was a couple years ago.
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  Right. And then and that was just also
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  like, that's was like one of the most widespread new medical
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  products of the decade. Yeah, it was a huge product.
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  A lot of people using it, but we really haven't had a drug or a
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  device case. If you remember 1012 years ago,
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  the hips, like where are the hip implants?
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  Yeah. Or any of those that have over
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  10,000 like claimants as part of the MDL.
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  There is some small ones. Right.
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  Yeah. You know, we have the Paragard
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  IUD going on some of the the power ports, right, But they're
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  all under 5000. So the numerosity, it's all in
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  the digital right now. Another case that settled out
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  recently was the, the, the paraquat case during the
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  bellwether or I guess it was before the bellwether, right?
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  This the trial hadn't started yet, correct.
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  For the audience that doesn't know about that, can you give an
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  update and kind of how that went down and what that means next
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  for that litigation? Yeah.
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  So in the paraquat litigation, we have an MDL with about 6500
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  cases. Then in Philadelphia Court of
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  Common Pleas, that's the next biggest docket, about 1600
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  cases. So this was the third bellwether
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  trial scheduled in Philadelphia. It was a defense pick and it was
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  scheduled to kick off yesterday. We had a snow day, but it's
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  settled. So they're they're settling.
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  That works out. They're settling defense picks
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  right now. That's that's where we're at in
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  this litigation. So, right, the EPA says they're
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  really looking into whether or not paragraph should be banned
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  all together. Probably should.
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  We, we heard, you know, about an MDL settlement for some cases.
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  So there's not much more left in that litigation it seems like
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  besides coming up on a number. So I'd say the windows really
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  short to get more paraquat cases.
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  I I don't see how we have anything but a global settlement
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  or could be inventory, but all the cases will be settled this
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  year. So that's another, you know,
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  good development, but not a huge, huge mass tort, but big
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  numbers on those cases. Serious injuries, obviously,
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  with Parkinson's disease. How long do you think people
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  have left to get new cases? It's tight, three months maybe
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  Max, but you know these cases are hard to get right like
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  they're. Expensive.
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  They're rare. We've been doing the marketing
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  for those cases for years and they're people expected to come
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  in at round out cost and they are not.
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  Or volume. Or volume.
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  The cost is higher, the volume is much lower.
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  Yeah, I think, you know, dozens of cases would be a lot at this
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  point coming in each week. So it's wrapping up.
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  But like I said it it's rare we get a a settlement on defense
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  pick. But being in Philadelphia, it's
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  a great venue for the plaintiffs.
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  They know Joe is there. Yes.
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  Joe Fantiti is in Philly and they don't want to mess it to
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  you. Yes, and you know, everybody
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  else is there now too. We, I think the word's out.
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  So that, that's one that, you know, I, I feel more confident
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  that the paraquat will resolve this year compared to say,
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  social media. What do we got next?
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  Let's see, we have. Let's pivot to roundup.
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  Yeah, so you know, Roundup, we we talked about how the case was
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  taken up right by the Supreme Court.
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  We're going to have a decision before the end of June.
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  Basically what's happening, there is no cases are really
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  going to trial in between now and the Supreme Court decision.
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  You know, the courts are a little reluctant to have a case
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  get all the way worked up, tried on this failure to warrant issue
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  and then the Supreme Court on appeal says it it shouldn't have
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  happened. So they're settling one off
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  cases and if any gets that far, but most of the judges are kind
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  of just slowpoing it to see what happens with this decision.
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  But then after that, right, we're we're going to know what
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  causes of action we can proceed with.
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  There's definitely a lot of fronts.
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  There's the New Jersey State court, there's the MDL with
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  about 4500 cases. Missouri has the center of
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  everything with 40,000 plus cases, Philadelphia.
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  So there's a lot of pressure, but it's kind of on standby.
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  So I don't know if I can call that litigation resolving 100%
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  this year. That was your prediction.
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  I know. So I think we'll have
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  inventories definitely and Bear, you know, they've been saying
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  for years their CEO like we're going to resolve this litigation
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  in 26. So we'll see.
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  But there, there will be some settlements this year.
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  I don't know if it's everybody, but we'll have to really be in a
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  holding pattern for the next 6 months.
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  But time to get cases still. Path to resolution is at least
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  in front of us, right? It's coming.
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  Yeah. You know, Paraquat and Roundup
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  have been just sort of around for a while and people have been
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  interested in it and I think it has led to a lot of the other
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  environmental related litigations that have kind of
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  sprouted up over the past few years.
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  Are there any other environmental type mass torts
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  that are starting to peak your interest?
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  Have you heard like any rumblings?
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  Well, right, we had, you know, like the pee Foss cases.
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  So that's kind of wrapped up a little bit at this point.
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  You know, what I think happens bold prediction in a couple
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  years, what we'll be going back on those cases with different
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  injuries. So right now it's like top six
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  injuries that we're really focused on.
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  But as the science evolves and more comes out, I I think we
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  could have a, you know, a pee Foss round two or something like
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  that, because we're only learning how harmful these
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  chemicals are and they're everywhere, everywhere and all
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  of us in this room, everybody we talked to everywhere we go,
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  they're there. So that and then I, I think some
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  maybe like enzyme cases people are into it's, it's not really a
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  mass tort. It might be.
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  Is that another chemical that's in the water?
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  Yeah, that that's another chemical.
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  It's kind of almost similar to like this asbestos litigation.
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  So there's some firms that are kind of like really focusing
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  that the injuries would be like AML, which is like another rare
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  type of cancer in Philadelphia. We have some cases there, but I,
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  I haven't heard much of other, you know, big kind of
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  environmental mass torch right now, but I think we could have
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  some pockets popping up of these P Foss a triple F cases.
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  What about talc? Right, We talked about talc
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  starting to. We've talked about talc.
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  For years we have talked about talc for years, but I think
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  we're moving forward towards resolution in in talc.
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  What are you hearing right now? Yeah.
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  Well, we we have a trial going on right now in Philadelphia.
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  We had two snow days this week in Philadelphia, Monday and
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  Tuesday. So that's ongoing.
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  I mean, just our past experience with Philadelphia, it's we're
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  probably looking at a very big number coming out of there,
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  right? J&J, they've dug in, they're
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  fighting every turn. But I think it's time, right?
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  And just if you look at the bankruptcy, they were offering 8
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  or 9 billion. So there's been a lot of cases
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  have gotten filed since that bankruptcy stay got lifted.
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  But ultimately we'll probably end up with 80,000 cases.
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  And I think we first start seeing some inventory
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  settlements in that case. I don't think they want to do a
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  global just because it might make the company look weak a
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  little bit. I think that's how some
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  defendants perceive the Globals. And so we'll see some inventory,
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  some of the top firms get knocked off and then eventually
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  this year, that litigation probably winding down too.
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  Hopefully, yes, we would love to see that.
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  So, so if we can get all four of these litigations wind up, you
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  know, everybody would be very. Happy.
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  Yes, there's another trial that's going on right now.
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  We're dealing with the Uber sex abuse.
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  The first trial in the actual MDL is taking place right now.
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  Where where are we currently at in that?
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  I know that there's been a bunch of motions that have happened
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  during the trial. I heard there's some.
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  Crazy stuff that happened last week and we're us following
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  around with the news so. Yeah.
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  So we're, you know, about two weeks into it, I guess there was
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  an issue about a, a prior complaint being made about the
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  driver at issue here. So the, the judge wasn't pleased
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  with maybe that being brought up.
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  So that was certainly an issue, but that trial should be
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  wrapping up here shortly if it's not the end of this week,
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  certainly by the end of next week.
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  And again, if you remember in the state court proceeding, they
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  they found that Uber was negligent, but there wasn't that
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  causal connection with the injury of the plaintiff.
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  So are we going to be able to prove that in this case that's
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  going to be decided by the jury. You know, the facts are a little
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  bit stronger. We have the road map, but it
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  doesn't look like Uber's interested in in a global right
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  now. So I could see regardless of the
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  outcome, even if we win, Uber digs in and and tries to come
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  back for another trial, win that one to knock down, knock down
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  the value of those cases. But right, is there a lift
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  litigation that's picking? Up.
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  They're consolidating that, right?
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  They did. Did they actually announce that?
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  They are? I know it was up.
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  They. Apply for a consolidation.
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  Yeah. I'm, I'm not 100% sure if it's
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  been consolidated yet. I think is there a hearing maybe
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  this month or next month on that?
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  We're live. We're going to Google it.
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  Let's say. As of January 2026, petition
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  remains before the JPML seeking to to centralized federal.
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  It has not been consolidated. Yes, yes, there's a it says 100
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  cases are in a California JCCP. Yeah, so you know it, it's the
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  same road map with Uber, right? We'll have it in California
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  State court. We probably want to go to
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  California federal court. You know they're not going to
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  want to go there. The defendants and then they'll
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  kind of streamline but the the road maps there right with with
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  Uber, we we know what's happened in these cases they're really
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  bad cases, but the issue is whether or not that negligence
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  is what you know, caused these plaintiffs injuries so.
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  Is this a plaintiff bellwether? This case I I believe it is yes.
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  So I mean, we, we need to win this one, right?
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  We have to have a good result. What else do we have going on?
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  There's, I mean, that's, that's a lot of activity for a week.
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  Like that was like more than all the 2025 is going on right now.
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  I think those are all the trials we, you know, we have right now,
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  other litigations people are involved with, right?
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  We have weight loss. We've talked about that hair
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  relaxer, which you know, I really like.
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  Bear Hugger is another one, you know, And then the video game
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  addiction. So just basically 5 trials kind
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  of only going at once. Unheard of.
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  Ms. Torts, we'd be lucky to get 2 trials a year.
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  Where is Roblox at right now? There's been a little bit of a
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  buzz about it at the conference. Yeah.
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  So that just got consolidated. The initial case management
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  conference was supposed to be this week.
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  I know a lot of the the firms that are going for leadership
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  have trials, whether it's Lanier or the firms involved in Uber.
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  So basically we're in that initial six months phase of an
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  MDL where they meet with the judge, they applied for
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  leadership, they come to an agreement, so on ediscovery,
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  kind of the framework for some of the case management orders.
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  And then after that is when it will really pick up.
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  So you know, it's going to be a little bit of time on that one,
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  but I don't think that's going to be this 10,000 plus MDL,
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  right? And then one other case we're
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  going to talk about is Depo, right?
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  That's another one that is on this kind of rocket docket.
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  We've never seen a mass tour really move this fast.
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  So we could have a trial here later in 26, which would really
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  be unheard of. So just you know, think how long
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  it took us to get to trial in in some of these other cases like a
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  Paragard it, but we actually have that trial going on too
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  now. But it took us six years to get
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  the trial in Paragard, where in Depo it's going to be about two
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  years. What's the reasoning?
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  It's the judge is a main component of it.
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  So, right, it was Judge Rogers that we had in three M who
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  learned a lot, right, 300,000 case docket one of the biggest
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  ever. So becoming efficient with that.
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  And then we did kind of this initial test group right off the
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  bat. And so that got these individual
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  cases worked up like bellwethers.
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  So we, the plaintiffs want to use that as a road map going
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  forward. You know said these cases can
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  get to trial in two to three years after the MDL's formed
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  instead of 5-6 years like we're saying in Paragard right now,
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  all. Right, Well, that's a lot going
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  on in the world of mass torts. Real quick updates.
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  What's the buzz at the conference right now?
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  You're usually a man of the people.
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  You get to know, listen in and hear what's going on.
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  You get all the hot gossip. What's going on at NTL?
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  Yeah, I, I think people are excited about talc, right?
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  People think that's going to settle there.
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  There's some momentum, the numbers.
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  Finally getting that money back out.
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  Yeah, and, and numbers should be, you know, decent hopefully
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  to compensate some of these victims that are really hurt.
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  And then I think the, you know, the next biggest buzz is, is
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  going to be on the social media, right.
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  Everybody wants to hear how that turns out and how to get
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  involved. Yeah, that one, I'm, I'm very
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  much looking forward to seeing what happens there this week,
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  kicking off in California. I think we might even be going
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  out to California. Yeah.
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  We might cover it live from the courtroom.
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  We're we're working on it. Or outside the outside the
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  courthouse, not the courtroom. OK, as close as we could
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  possibly get. We'll see.
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  We're texting with our connections.
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  All right, good. Well, I'll TuneIn.
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  I'll TuneIn for sure. So outside of mass torts, right,
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  What was Joe Fantini's dinner selection last night?
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  You were you were hyping up Miami food scene.
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  Yeah, well, I went to this Italian place, I think it's
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  called Mercada, and it was on this really awesome street where
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  there are a lot of restaurants and you can kind of like walk
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  down the without any cars. So that was good.
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  And then I went to this other place the night before it called
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  A Stubborn Seed, which is a Michelin star place, and it was
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  amazing. It was one of the best I've
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  seen. So yeah, the food's really good.
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  Miami's great. I think the West hotels an
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  upgrade over Fountain Blue. No disrespect to Fountain Blue.
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  I personally hated the fountain blue.
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  I thought it was a dump. Well, that's Mark, not Joe.
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  Joe says. It's nice if you guys want to
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  invite me back, but they they have a very nice bar at the.
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  Fountain blue they do. The lobby bar was excellent.
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  I will say Fab Blue live bar was much better but the rooms were
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  way louder and not as nice. My room was well, actually they
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  sold out of rooms here at the Lowe's, so we're staying across
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  the street at the Hyatt. Who's who's kind of loud over at
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  the Hyatt last night? But it's nice here, and I think
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  this is a good conference. It was busy, right?
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  A lot of people here. Surprisingly so, right?
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  Like with Snowpocalypse going on, you made it out early.
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  I've talked to a lot of people who either made it out early or
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  showed up late last night or early this morning.
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  Very well attended. I mean, even yesterday during
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  the day we were walking around. There were a ton of people at
• 19:23
  the opening event last night for a couple hours.
• 19:26
  The whole thing was packed. This is one of our favorite
• 19:28
  conferences of the year. Let's say this one PILMA is
• 19:31
  pretty good and then the MTM PS are like the big circuit where
• 19:36
  where we just see a lot of good attendance.
• 19:38
  Yeah, we'll see. Hopefully MTP in the spring is
• 19:40
  well attended, has some good energy.
• 19:41
  The Fall 1 was a little YEAH muted this year.
• 19:44
  And, and I, I think it will, right, like a lot of firms might
• 19:49
  be coming into some money this year with some cases settling,
• 19:53
  whether you know, people are getting C pap or some Zantac or
• 19:57
  some hernia mesh money, there's going to be a lot of momentum
• 20:00
  building. And then if we can score some
• 20:01
  victories and 7580% of these trials, I think mass toward in
• 20:06
  the spring is going to be really busy, complete opposite of what
• 20:10
  we saw at the end of the year last year because it was slow,
• 20:12
  people were scared. We're a little tight.
• 20:14
  Yeah, yeah. Do do you think any of like the
• 20:17
  the macro issues going on in the country right now, like
• 20:20
  politically at all, are going to affect what we're doing on the
• 20:23
  plaintiff side? Well, I mean, they, it impacts,
• 20:26
  right, the Supreme Court like that case getting taken up
• 20:28
  originally when they're appealed with the prior administration,
• 20:32
  with Biden, the minute solicitor general said don't take up the
• 20:35
  case and the Supreme Court decided not to this time around,
• 20:39
  the ministration said, yeah, dude, take it up.
• 20:41
  And, and they did usually they follow 7080% what the solicitor
• 20:45
  general recommends. And then also the huge one that
• 20:48
  we didn't talk about Tylenol like is that, is that, is that
• 20:52
  case going to come back? We, we could have a decision
• 20:55
  likely before mass tort made perfect.
• 20:57
  So if that case is back, it's going to be a lot of excitement,
• 21:01
  a lot of people that were trying to help.
• 21:04
  Did the administration seems to favor that trial starting up
• 21:07
  again? Yeah.
• 21:08
  So that's that's that's what's kind of unique is right.
• 21:11
  It's they seem against us a roundup.
• 21:13
  They seem so for us in Tylenol. So that that's a maybe how the
• 21:18
  politics I play into it. But I think with any
• 21:21
  administration, some are going to be in our favor, some
• 21:24
  against. I'm hoping for some momentum.
• 21:26
  Like I said in the spring, I think Master Made Perfect will
• 21:29
  be good and what we'll get a lot of excitement.
• 21:32
  Another one is Masterworks Puerto Rico.
• 21:34
  I think could be we heard a lot of people talking about that
• 21:37
  one. This year, yeah, I've attended a
• 21:39
  couple times, little more intimate, little smaller.
• 21:43
  Definitely the the top, top tier firms are there that that's
• 21:47
  usually who's been attended. You know, I would say more focus
• 21:51
  on leadership firms, not so much getting that education like you
• 21:56
  do in mass tort made perfect on how to get involved in mass
• 22:00
  torts, how to work a case. It's it's really the the top
• 22:03
  tier guys. It's great.
• 22:04
  I've been a couple times. Maybe I'll go this year.
• 22:07
  We'll see. I think we're going this year.
• 22:09
  Well, maybe, maybe I'll go. I know we are looking for a
• 22:13
  sponsor of the Tortox yacht in Puerto Rico for whoever would
• 22:17
  like sponsor it. Yeah, maybe I'll, I'll look into
• 22:21
  that. Here at at NTL, one of the
• 22:25
  things that Mark was talking about is we took a stroll around
• 22:27
  the vendor hall was the changing face of the vendors that attend
• 22:32
  these conferences. And historically it was a lot of
• 22:34
  service based businesses. You saw a lot of like call
• 22:37
  centers, medical record retrieval.
• 22:39
  Some marketing. A bunch of marketing.
• 22:40
  Agencies. It's all software and AI now.
• 22:45
  Right. Oh yeah, definitely.
• 22:46
  And even like to pick up on that five years ago was all about the
• 22:51
  VAS, right? Oh yeah, it was the.
• 22:53
  Service based and also who's who's missing a little bit from
• 22:56
  these conferences is is the the funders right.
• 22:59
  Their presence at Mass Tort made perfect five years ago, before
• 23:02
  Camp Lejeune, it was like. Oh yeah, there were humongous
• 23:06
  booths of like funders, that was, I remember.
• 23:08
  That and I don't. See any recently?
• 23:10
  Yeah. So maybe this isn't, you know,
• 23:12
  the demographic of the firms are looking get involved with, but
• 23:16
  yeah, it's definitely technology software are are really driving
• 23:20
  it. Although a lot of the
• 23:21
  conversations, the good conversations happen outside of
• 23:24
  that vendor hall, right? It's like, you know, the right
• 23:27
  people, you connect to the right people.
• 23:28
  And we were talking to a funder last night.
• 23:30
  We were talking to, there's a lot that happens outside of of
• 23:35
  the vendor space. So we've got to record some
• 23:38
  great podcasts. We just filmed with James Helen
• 23:42
  from Top Dog we had let go on yesterday.
• 23:46
  We had Michael Sale from Cordisco and Sale yesterday
• 23:48
  talking about AI companies. We've got Today Foundation.
• 23:52
  We've got Eve. Yep, and we're trying to book
• 23:55
  even up. Yep, if you're watching this, I
• 23:57
  know you're recording stuff across the hall, but if someone
• 23:59
  from even up is watching this, feel free to reach out to Emily.
• 24:02
  We're trying to get somebody books so we can talk about all
• 24:04
  the great AI solutions. We had some great feedback when
• 24:07
  we interviewed Jerry Joe from Supio and would love to just
• 24:12
  kind of continue understanding how the different service
• 24:16
  providers in our industry are leveraging all the new
• 24:19
  technology that comes out on like an almost daily basis at
• 24:23
  this point. This morning, actually, we sat
• 24:25
  down for coffee at 7:00 AM and Mark brought to coffee and I
• 24:30
  brought to coffee. Each of us had an idea of
• 24:32
  something that we wanted to build today.
• 24:34
  We were just playing around with AI, and that just happens
• 24:37
  constantly. Like, we'll either build stuff
• 24:38
  ourselves, we'll kick it to our team, yeah.
• 24:40
  Yeah, I, I think 2:00 to three years, you know, the legal
• 24:43
  industry is going to be a lot, a lot different.
• 24:45
  It's going to be really efficient.
• 24:47
  It's going to be better for the clients, but the technology's a
• 24:51
  huge part of it. What else do you want to cover?
• 24:55
  I think it's a wrap. It's the best 10 minutes in mass
• 24:58
  torts each week. Has now been the best 24 minutes
• 25:01
  in mass torts each week. Yep.
• 25:03
  Joe, thanks so much. As always.
• 25:05
  I this is great. I think we should do more live
• 25:07
  stuff. We'll see what the the audience.
• 25:09
  Says I know you think that we should do more live stuff.
• 25:11
  I I I enjoy it. I enjoy it too.
• 25:14
  You can't. Censor me when we do live stuff.
• 25:16
  That's the reason I get nervous. Cool.
• 25:20
  All right. Thanks everybody for watching.
• 25:22
  If you're watching this on the recap, enjoy.
• 25:24
  And if you're here at the conference, feel free to reach
• 25:27
  out. Mark and myself, Joe, we're
• 25:29
  around for the rest of the day. That's a wrap.