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- 0:08 That's right. You've pressed play on All the Right Moves, a limited podcast 0:14 series from the director's chaired network about the filmography of Edgar Wright. This week, a big week, we're 0:21 talking about my favorite Edgar Wright movie, Scott Pilgrim. And I could not 0:27 talk about a bass playing dildo without the biggest bass playing dildo that I 0:35 know. Uh, please welcome producer Chris from WATP to the show. 0:43 Producer Chris, how are you? I'm great, man. Thank you for having me. What a great intro. What a great film. 0:50 I'm so happy to be here. Yeah. And I didn't think that I would 0:56 react that way about Scott Pilgrim until I rewatched this movie. I I've 1:02 seen this movie many times. And now that I am sitting down and watching these 1:09 films with a critical eye, I I it's it's been very interesting and because on the 1:16 surface I've they're beloved to me, but then once I sit down and really drill 1:22 down about what I like and maybe what the the shortcomings of these movies are, uh I'm I'm discovering things that 1:30 I had not picked up on before. So, it it's been educational in in the most fun 1:37 and best way. Sure. Sure. I just want to say when it comes to shortcomings with this movie, it's not 1:43 long enough. There's it I I could watch it and watch it for [ __ ] ever. And 1:50 and I didn't full disclosure, my girlfriend at the 1:56 time 20 years ago when this came out or whatever the [ __ ] what is it, 2002? 2:01 Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Um I didn't want to hear any more about how 2:08 great this was. And you ever have someone that loves a band 2:14 so much that they almost ruin it for you? That's how this was for me. I went 2:19 in not wanting to like it and upon re-watching recently, 2:25 oh my god, it is an almost perfect movie. And I don't say that very often. 2:30 It is insane how much of a passion project this movie is for almost 2:38 everyone involved, including the people that watch it. Absolutely. It It's about love and it's 2:45 made with love. You can tell, right? And it is a genre blending 2:54 movie that's on full display. There's so many. It It is a video game passion 2:59 project. It is a rock and roll passion project. It is a romance passion 3:04 project. It is a comic book passion project. It is a callback. 3:11 like all the tropes of Edgar Wright that we've been talking about with Shawn and 3:17 Hot Fuzz, it is just it's jampacked 3:22 with movie making to me. Am I wrong? Well, yes. And here's why. No, I'm just 3:29 kidding. Uh, it's [ __ ] like I said, it's an almost perfect film. There's not much more. I I think our review is done. 3:37 But uh the only way you could watch this and not adore it is to be like, "Oh, well, I 3:43 never played video games before." Sure. Yeah. Comic book. Yeah. I never watched Batman. 3:49 Yeah. Um, but before we get there's so much to say 3:55 there's so much to say right that that we should really take it back to roots 4:02 and start with spaced because a a segment of every episode is how 4:10 space in spaced informed these bigger productions and it 4:17 certainly did in this case. So the way that we are chronologically going 4:22 through the filmography and the episodes of Spaced, this one lands perfectly on 4:29 the season finale of season 1, which is the episode called ends. And um at this 4:38 point, the will they won't they dynamic between Tim and Daisy is kind of coming 4:45 to a head as Tim's ex is reaching out to him to 4:53 uh get in get in touch with Tim for some kind of an unknown reason. That's the 4:58 crux of the plot of the season finale of season 1. 5:03 Sarah, she wants to see me today. Wonder what that's all about. 5:09 Maybe she wants a CD playback. Maybe she's getting married. 5:16 Maybe she's pregnant. And um there's a few relevant things to 5:26 the filmography that are that I want to bring up. One being that um I'm kind of 5:33 recording these things out of order, Chris. So, I have rewatched Last Night 5:39 in Soho at this point. And when you watch, 5:45 don't Yeah. Don't uh you know, pull back the curtain and break the fourth wall too much. But when Daisy is visiting 5:53 Marsha, and Marsha wants Daisy to live at the apartment for the rest of her 5:59 life and basically become Marsha. I like having you here. I feel like 6:05 you've always lived here. I hope you never lose. Never lose. Never 6:16 [Music] 6:23 that is the the seed that they plant for what will go on 6:30 to become Last Night in Soho. So having having watched that and watched this, 6:36 it's because you see that a lot in space, how we've talked about space be 6:42 just being Shaun of the dead without zombies, you know, and 6:47 well, even with some in at least one particular episode, but yeah, go on. 6:52 Right. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's uh season or episode three or something like that. But um you so you see all 7:00 these things that Edgar is going to pull from the series and eventually use later 7:07 on all the way up until his most recent film. So when Daisy is envisioning 7:14 herself as an old woman trapped in an apartment, it 7:21 conjures Last Night in Soho to me. Have you seen Last Night in Soho? I have not. 7:27 Yeah, that scene of Daisy envisioning herself in the apartment is very 7:32 reminiscent of Last Night in Soho. And if you haven't seen it, maybe that doesn't register with you, but it's it's 7:40 relevant. And I'm only bringing it up because so much of Spaced is relevant to all of Edgar 7:47 Wright's movies. And uh even Tim in the end of this episode brings up Soho. Uh, 7:55 I don't know if you remember that part where he's kind of saying he left, he decided that his ex wanted to get back 8:02 or his ex wants to get back together with him and he says no and he is sort 8:08 of lamenting the last year of his life and he brings up Soho. So, it's just 8:13 another call out to something that will bloom into a whole movie eventually, you 8:20 know, years later that Edgar loves to cultivate these little tropes from space 8:27 and uh expand them out into full movies. You see, uh things that he features in 8:36 episodes of space that go on to be in Hot Fuzz and go on to be in Shaun of the 8:41 Dead. So, uh, there are definitely those references in the season finale of 8:48 season 1 of Spaced. Yes. Um, what what was your takeaway from 8:54 watching Space? You said that you were aware of the episode or the series as a 9:01 whole, but you were revisiting it, right? Yeah. Back when it was new, I had a 9:06 friend who wouldn't shut the [ __ ] up about it. And I'm so glad that he didn't 9:12 because uh it was so great. And re-watching that 9:19 episode that you gave me for homework rekindled my love for the show. And it 9:25 hasn't aged a bit. And I love those characters. I want to hang out with 9:30 them. I want to be British when I'm watching this. I want to go to a pub. I want to dance 9:36 with Daisy. I love every [ __ ] thing about it. And 9:42 yeah, I'm gushing now. And that's because I have been saying 9:47 that you we're very close in age and this this series is of the voice of our 9:56 generation. Yes, it's a BBC series and in a different country, but it speaks to 10:03 our generation. And I think that's that's why we latch on to 10:08 it so much and enjoy it so much. Yeah, absolutely. There's roommates 10:14 involved, video games, you know, pubs, 10:19 uh, you know, artsiness and of course [ __ ] 10:25 alcoholism. I mean, yeah, it's got it all. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's so great. And I I just 10:32 can't say enough about the cast and the characters. Yeah. And of course, it's award-winning. I really don't need to go on and on about 10:39 it. Uh, everyone knows it's great. And if you've never seen it before and you happen to watch the show, I don't 10:44 know how you would find this show without having known Spaced. Yeah. But check it out. It is currently free 10:51 on Prime. And owning it and watching it in a physical format is a [ __ ] because it's like one 10:58 of the region things. I know. And I've been pulling clips off of YouTube and the quality is shitty. So 11:04 maybe I can I'm glad you said that that it it's living on Amazon. So everybody should certainly go check it out if you 11:10 have not. But the other thing I wanted to bring up about this specific episode, 11:16 and there's another thing that I'll I'll call out later, but um the end of this 11:23 the the episode proper ends with Tim and Daisy dancing to is you is or is you 11:30 ain't my baby. And it's very propo of the their relationship. It's 11:38 apppropo of the the time period when 11:44 swing music was kind of having a moment again. And it spawns 11:51 what will go on to be a trope of almost every single Edgar Wright movie having 11:57 some kind of choreographed dance sequence in inserted almost like 12:05 hamfistedly into everything. Yeah. So Yeah. And it's it's lovable. It's a 12:10 lovable trait of his. Yeah. It it you're right that that's 12:16 like the uh antithesis of the shock value of all of the graphically violent 12:24 out of nowhere things like um in Baby Driver when Jamie Fox dies or in Hot 12:32 Fuzz when the reporter dies. These things spoiler alerts. Well, I assuming people have watched 12:39 these movies. I I've said it before, but it that's a trope of his where he he 12:45 kind of like sucker punches you with a graphically violent moment as opposed to 12:51 these moments that are these tenderhearted uh musically 12:57 music music theater kind of soft things. Absolutely. Running this big spectrum of 13:04 emotions in almost every movie. Just as an aside, if everyone if anyone gives a 13:11 [ __ ] uh Carl from uh who are these podcasts? 13:17 My mentor, my boss, my good friend. We argue about Shawn of the Dead all the 13:24 time about how, well, he argues how great it could be if 13:30 it didn't have those other aspects, you know, um, love interest, any sort of 13:36 seriousness, uh, the inserted musical numbers, if you will. Uh, 13:42 he's saying those are shortcomings of it or that's what he is. And I'm like, no, it's almost a perfect movie. uh how 13:49 could you have a problem with it? And he wants a comedy to be a comedy through 13:55 and through. Now, he and I side on things like um Pineapple Express where it tries to be 14:01 too much. But for some reason, the sticky wicket with him is Shaun of the 14:07 Dead. And if you ever want to bring that up to him, uh watch him go nuts. 14:13 Wind him up. Interesting. because I feel like I've become a 14:18 subject matter expert on Shaun of the Dead. So, I'll have to have that conversation with Carl because yeah, I'm 14:25 just saying it's interesting that someone would have a different opinion about it having all the elements that 14:31 we, you at least um really enjoy about the film and Ed Wright's work 14:39 in general. Yeah, the Shan of the Dead episode is available right now. So if you're watching this, you can go watch that. 14:45 And I will just in summary for uh people that maybe have seen both or since you 14:53 have probably haven't seen it yet, what what makes Shaun of the Dead so 14:58 memorable is the things that you don't want to remember about it, which are the 15:03 the very emotional death scenes of Philip, the stepdad, and Shawn's mom. 15:09 The sequence when Shawn's mom dies and then Shawn has to kill his mom is 15:16 heartbreaking to to a degree that it should not be in something that is 15:22 classified as a comedy. It is so traumatic that it imprints on your brain 15:28 and makes you remember that movie. It's it's an impressionable movie in a way 15:34 that you don't want it to be. from something that you enjoyed so much to then just turn around and rip your heart 15:41 out. So, but Andy, you're assuming that there's some people that don't want to shoot their moms. 15:47 Yeah, you're right about that. So, you can You're bad. 15:53 Maybe it's beloved by for another reason by another cross section in the audience. A very good select. 16:01 That's why I'm so glad you're here, Chris. And uh I this is the perfect time to dovetail into Scott Pilgrim versus 16:10 the world because we are both bass players and I just love that we get 16:16 represented on the screen uh in such a delightful way as uh one of 16:22 the most [ __ ] shitty people to be featured as a main character in a film. 16:31 Scott Pilgrim is I it's it's hard he's beloved and but 16:37 it's hard to like him kind of. Did you feel like did you feel like he was hard to like when you were watching the 16:43 movie? Absolutely. And that becomes ultimately again spoiler alert what the charm is 16:51 because you do love him. I identify with him. Uh I think 16:57 I think most people would in a way when it comes to subject Yeah. the the 17:02 complex subject of love. Yes. And clubs and broads 17:09 and bass playing and bands. I I I just love the the rules about the girlfriend 17:16 at band practice. Hi. You promise to be good? Of course I'll be good. 17:22 Seriously, please be good. Am I normally not? Hey, Knives, this is Steven Stills. He's 17:28 the talent. Hey, is she going to geek out on us? She'll just sit in the corner, man. 17:34 I mean, I want her to geek out on us. She'll geek. She geeks. She has the capacity to geek. 17:40 Oh, important rule that they don't discuss enough in this film, but please continue. 17:46 Yeah. Does she have the capacity to geek out or whatever it is? Um, but this is a 17:55 unique addition to the filmography because he does Shawn 18:02 and then he does Hot Fuzz and this will is two parts of the Cornetto trilogy 18:09 that is concluded with World's End. But then you have Scott Pilgrim inserted 18:17 between all these things as a passion project that is distinctly 18:23 nonB British and doesn't feature Simon Peg and Nick Frost. It doesn't feature 18:30 what I've been calling the Edgar Wright players, all these people that show up in all these movies. This is set apart 18:38 from all of that in not even an American way. This is distinctly Canadian. 18:44 Canadian. Not so long ago in the mysterious land of Toronto, Canada. 18:51 Toronto. And it's just it is something 18:57 that was unique to his debut that I talked about with Ryan, the fist full of 19:02 fingers episode that most people will cut their teeth in the genre of horror 19:10 because it's kind of an easy way to see yourself into the industry. Edgar 19:16 doesn't do that. He goes for a western and it is a spaghetti western spoof that 19:23 wants to be like Naked Gun and Blazing Saddles put together, but it so it's 19:30 just like a nontraditional way to find yourself into a different into the 19:37 market. And that's kind of what he's doing here with Scott Pilgrim. It's like I'm not going to do an American action 19:44 movie. I'm going to do a Canadian video game movie, which is 19:52 a testament to him doing what he wants to do. Yes. Absolutely. 19:57 Yeah. And it kicks off with the the sequence that it it's so 20:05 prominent. It needs to be said that Beck does all the music for 20:10 every any music that you're hearing in Scott and Pilgrim is written by Beck. So, they introduce 20:18 Scott, they introduce his friends. You can tell they all have a history and they're in a band together and then it 20:25 kicks off with the the very like garage pop kind of like punker stuff written by 20:34 Beck. Did you have an opinion about how good Sex Baba Bomb is as a band in 20:40 general? 20:51 by fly through the needles. Oh my 21:00 my it made me want to start a band listening or re re-watching this. Yeah. 21:07 Uh, it brought me back and um and I have so much love for that sound 21:14 and that uh kind of attitude that our hero or anti-hero maybe. 21:21 Yeah. Has and his disdain for the band and everyone within it. 21:27 Yeah. Particularly love the drummer and um Yeah, but I don't want to get ahead of this. Um 21:33 Yeah. Well, it's fine. We're assuming that people have seen the movie, so jumping around and and bringing up 21:39 things that happen later is fine. And it should be said that Kim, the drummer, is an ex of Scots. And people like Scott's 21:49 exes hating him. The way that Ramona's exes are being vindictive against her is 21:59 a parallel to these two people. And I I guess it it should be uh brought up that 22:06 the the female lead Mary Elizabeth Winstead as Ramona Flowers is also 22:13 iconic. And I used to romanticize a a 22:19 girl like Ramona Flowers, like thinking that I would like to meet a girl like that. And watching it now in 2025 after 22:29 seeing it for maybe like the eighth to 10th plus times. Yeah. 22:34 I'm just like Scott [ __ ] sucks. Ramona [ __ ] sucks. These two people 22:40 deserve each other. And it's like But you're still rooting for both of them throughout this, right? 22:47 You kind of have to because it's so [ __ ] entertaining. Yeah. And they I was just like, "God, what is 22:54 wrong with the [ __ ] wigs in this?" Like, Scott Scott's hair [ __ ] sucks 22:59 on purpose. I mean, it's kind of a running gag in the movie that he needs a haircut and he looks like [ __ ] but the 23:05 Ramona wig is like Oh, the in Saw the uh the girl that's in 23:12 Saw one and Saw two that's Jigsaw's protege. I think it was on Once Over. 23:19 her f uh Kayle's friend Cookie brings up how shitty um that girl's wig is in the 23:25 series and that is what was I was reminded of looking at Ramona's hair. 23:31 It's just like it makes this uh lovely woman Mary Elizabeth Winstead just looks 23:37 shitty. But that's just my opinion 23:42 after a decade of watching this movie. I was like that wig did not age well. But 23:48 fair enough, but the best hair gag in the movie is when Knives gets her uh her 23:56 highlights punched out. Yeah, [Music] 24:01 he punched the highlights out of her hair. He punched the highlights out of her 24:07 hair. Yeah. Yeah. That's the uh the Brendan Ralph uh Clash of Demon Head scene when 24:13 uh the bass play Oh god. We we'll get to that too. But but yeah, that needs to be 24:19 called out. There's a great hair gag. But 24:24 this uh movie in general, like like we were saying, this is this blends so many 24:31 tropes or genres between video games. And then you have Knives Chow, who you 24:38 you said is Scott's rebound girl who is 24:45 borderline a problem in the movie. He's dating a high schooler and everybody's 24:50 like, "Uh, you're being a creep, dude. Why are you a creep?" And he's he's 24:56 content to play video games and hold hands with a minor. It's it's it's 25:04 kind of disturbing. No. Well, yes. Um, but when you're much 25:10 younger, perhaps Scott's age, he's what, 21 in the film, I believe, 25:16 right? Yeah, it makes a little bit more sense. But yeah. Yeah, it is weird how the 25:23 older you get, it makes less of a difference to date somebody six to seven years your junior, but when 25:30 you're younger, trust me, it helps. A lifetime, right? Yeah. Wait till you're 53, [ __ ] 25:37 Oh, wait. Yeah, I can't wait to date a a woman 25:44 seven years younger than me. But um so I and I do think Knives Chow is like they 25:51 have to insert this unrealistic thing that is that he should not be 25:58 doing or is not realistic to his future. 26:03 He's on the rebound. He's depressed. He's eating a whole package of Oreos 26:09 in this romantic way, but he's not into it. Yeah. Does that sum it up? 26:16 Right. And I Yeah, I think in the long term he knows that it's not going to 26:21 work out, but he's still Oh, in the short term. Yeah. Right. And this is just spotlighting the 26:29 immature point of view that Scott has, which is 26:34 the beginning of his character arc to maturing 26:40 out of being a [ __ ] partner for anybody that he has a romantic 26:47 entanglement with. This is like him being the worst version of a boyfriend 26:55 and then the whole rest of the movie is him realizing 27:01 how to grow up and mature and become take take his love life a little more 27:08 seriously. I guess is the theme and plot of the movie, right? Yeah. He meets the female equivalent of 27:16 him and Yeah. And it's a coming of age kind of thing, but super hip and very stylized 27:24 and we love every [ __ ] second of it. Thank god there's a little bit of downtime in some of these sequences 27:30 because you need a break uh a little bit, you know, an old fart like me. 27:36 Uh but so amazingly paced and put together. But yes, at the at the core of 27:43 it, um this is about um say an [ __ ] like producer Chris 27:50 meeting an [ __ ] like producer Chris. You dating yourself? 27:56 Yeah. And you're like, "Oh, nega Chris. I guess I deserve this." 28:02 Yeah. And the the other thing that needs to be stated is the the pumpup from 28:09 Shaun of the Dead arriving and setting the world on fire and every it being basically beloved and arguably the best 28:17 movie like his first feature film being arguably his best and then taking that 28:24 pouring financial backing and big studio and star power onto hot fuzz and plusing 28:31 that up and making that bigger and better and even more successful. And a 28:37 lot of people that's beloved to a lot of people. A lot of people hold Hot Fuzz up as their favorite Edgar Wright movie. 28:44 Now, let's No one holds the third one up. 28:50 World's End. That's a different story. Maybe not that one. 28:55 Yeah. Yeah. Uh go to the dead. Yeah. Uh, so but now we arrive here at Scott 29:03 Pilgrim. Complete departure from Shawn and Hot Fuzz, which maybe seemed like, 29:09 you know, holding like sister projects, holding hands, uh, just the all both 29:15 great things with different genres. Now we get Scott and Simon Peg's not 29:21 involved because a lot of things that we've been talking about with what makes Space good, what makes Shawn good, what 29:28 makes Hot Fuzz good, a lot of it is Simon Peg's writing. 29:33 Yes. So when you take that away, I don't think I really realized this 29:41 until this series, re-watching all these movies, how 29:47 how much Simon Peg made a difference to these other projects. I I in a way I'm 29:54 just like, "Oh, this is all Edgar, right just being great." But Simon Peg is very 30:00 uh intricate in the success of Shawn and Hot Fuzz and those other things because 30:06 but because of the strength of Scott Pilgrim, I didn't realize this until 30:12 much later because Simon Peg's not involved in this, but the writing of uh Brian Leo Ali, who is the comic book 30:19 writer for the Scott Pilgrim comics, so much of the dialogue is just put right 30:28 into this. But there there is another screenwriter and Edgar, you know, they 30:34 have their hands in making Scott Pilgrim a great movie. But I just want to point 30:40 out that it's going to become more apparent in the later episodes that 30:47 um like Baby Driver and uh Last Night in Soho and the people that are involved in 30:53 the writing or not involved in the writing. It It's what made me realize 30:59 how key Simon Peg is to Shawn and Hot Fuzz. And 31:06 for this to be the next movie and my favorite and Simon Peg not being involved, that's why I was just like, 31:11 "Oh, Edgar Wright's just brilliant." But it's it's probably more to the credit of 31:17 Brian Lee Ali, who is the comic writer, is what keeps this afloat with the the 31:24 absence of Simon Peg. And then you get all this cameo star power thrown in on 31:30 top of that. That includes Anna Kendrick, Kieran Kulkin obviously is key 31:35 and goes on to be way more successful. But then you have Aubrey Plaza. Yeah, absolutely. 31:42 Brie Larson, uh Brendan Ralph, Tom Jane, and Clifton Collins Jr. and Martin Star. a lot of 31:50 people just making these cameos that back then maybe they weren't as big as 31:56 they are now but like when you you go back and you be like oh [ __ ] Aubrey Plaza and Anna Kendrick are in bit parts 32:02 in this it's uh it's pretty incredible to know that because like when and hot 32:08 fuzz people were clamoring to be part of that movie you had Kate Blanchett and 32:13 Peter Jackson making uncredited cameos you had Uh 32:19 Steve Kugan and Martin Freeman just everybody wanting to be in this. 32:26 Steven Merchant is has a bit part just cuz they wanted to be in the Edgar 32:31 Wright business. So now he takes it to the States and you get all these uh 32:36 cameos from big players. Uh so it's it's starstudded, right? 32:42 Absolutely. Yeah. I would call it distracting, but it's a distracting 32:47 movie to begin with. Yeah. Um, but Aubrey Plaza, 32:53 I particularly love every scene that she chews up. It's [ __ ] awesome. 33:03 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She's great addition. And I actually thought I should put some 33:09 drops of her on the WATP board from this movie after re-watching it. Yeah. 33:16 Yeah. There's just so many great moment. I mean, we can't even begin to go over 33:24 the the joke density that is packed into this. There is so many references. the 33:32 the pee meter when he's like, I gotta pee. Every everything anytime he needs 33:37 to get out of doing something he doesn't want to do, it's an excuse to go pee. And then they have the video game meter 33:43 that goes down, uh, which is such a great gag. And the just the jokes and 33:52 the sardonic just melee like I I don't want to be 33:58 here. I'm too cool to be here. and I don't want to deal with my life. And 34:06 it's just a a vibe which I I hate saying it has like this tone and voice that is 34:15 so appropriate for when it came out which is, you know, indie rock. 34:22 Yeah. Grow rock was making a comeback. Yeah. The White Stripes were hitting their stride. Well, no, probably three years 34:29 into their stride. Okay. And uh just really paving the way for a 34:34 lot of the bands that you and I probably cut our teeth on when we were well, it was 20 years ago, when we were 20 years 34:41 younger, right? But there there's a lot of onw wee from the people just the main 34:49 characters just pretending that they're too cool to care about their actual 34:54 emotions. And absolutely. Um, but it all comes to a head when they finally Ramona and Scott 35:03 do finally get together. So Scott kind it it it's intricate intricral that he 35:09 cheats on not cheats, but he doesn't break up with knives in a timely manner 35:15 when he realizes that he'd rather be with Ramona and he shouldn't. Everybody knows he shouldn't be with Knives, but 35:22 he doesn't handle it properly and that becomes relevant at the end. And from 35:27 there, obviously, the the litany of the seven evil exes, 35:34 uh, trying to keep Scott and Ramona apart is the whole plot of the movie, and it plays out like a video game, 35:41 which anybody that grew up with Street Fighter and Tekken is 35:48 so much fun. This it just makes this movie. If you've ever someone's ass in a club 35:55 and they turn into coins, this movie is for you. Yeah. What if my love life was a video 36:01 game and I could beat the [ __ ] out of all of my I don't want to play that game. 36:08 Leisure Suit, Larry, is that your the quarter I put on top of the machine. I'm like, "Yeah, it's yours, kid." 36:15 Yeah. So, it it just takes it in this direction that is so much fun to 36:23 basically weaponize your dating life. And yes, I it's it's miserable for Scott because 36:32 he's trying to dodge his ex that he never should have been with. Yeah. He is 36:38 navigating, you know, all of his past relationships with like Kim and uh Envy that is one of 36:48 his ex and one of Ramona's exes, the uh the Clash of Demon Head scene. So, it's 36:55 all about, if I may. Yeah, please. You talk about it being miserable for him. Um everything is filmed in the 37:03 snow. It's Canadian. And it really brings me back to our you and I, Andy, 37:10 our local uh our local rock bar, The Bug Jar. It seemed like all so much drama 37:17 when I was in my 20s and in bands, playing there constantly, trying to start things up, whether it be [ __ ] 37:25 abroad or getting some drugs or actually playing in a band and learning my instrument. Yeah. Uh everything seemed to be in the 37:32 winter and it's great that everything plays out in the winter here because it really adds to the misery of our hero. 37:39 That that is a great point that I had not considered the the fact that it is 37:46 uh the the winter of their discontent. Yeah, to put it in a more literal way. But 37:53 cold cold comes into play a lot uh in this movie. the whole uh well, if your 37:59 blanket's on the bed, shouldn't we just be in bed and share the blanket? That 38:04 That's a good line, man. I still use that one. 38:10 I I didn't mean to interrupt you. No, that I I'm glad you did because 38:15 there is so much thematic 38:20 uh elements and thought that goes into a lot of Edgar's previous movies that that 38:27 we've talked about. And it's just on full display here the layers of 38:34 themes and uh references and how wellthought out it is. I can't 38:41 even articulate. I'm not in a position to articulate how much thought went into 38:47 the creation of this, but the fact that the the winter element would be 38:54 conceived with purpose. This would be a different movie in 39:00 summer, right? Palace uh in the winter to see tortoise in the late 90s and it's [ __ ] brutal. 39:09 just that out. But Lee Palace was great, right? But it would be a different movie 39:15 if it was in the summertime. Oh, absolutely. You know, so it is it is relevant to 39:20 bring up. So I'm glad you did. Yeah. At the the end of the second act, 39:27 I believe Scott is bonking his head against the telephone pole. 39:32 Yeah. And it's bleak and the snow's coming down. That that spells it out to me. That that 39:40 is misery. That's the low that the hero has to come to in order to rise again. 39:47 Yeah. And it's highlighted with the anamanapia of the of the comic 39:54 like put blending all of these different 40:00 elements of comics and romance and video games just perfectly together. 40:08 And God, I I just I really could talk about this movie for 40:14 Do you want to just Dude, I'm on my way over. Let's just watch it. Okay, let's just watch it godd minute by 40:22 minute and say everything that's so great about it. And 40:27 uh the there's so many of even just Edgar's tropes of the the um quick cut 40:36 montage things of like menial tasks that the best one is where he does the anti- 40:42 cut when Scott ties his shoe. Yes. 40:59 He grinds to a halt. I'm so glad you brought that up because I took no notes, but I made a mental 41:06 note about how much I [ __ ] love that moment. Yeah, cuz he It's on full display in Hot 41:13 Fuzz. There's just like relentless cuts of like guns being loaded and paperwork 41:19 being done. Like it's making paperwork seem Yeah. 41:24 I'm thinking of the dead. Sorry. Yeah. But you get like all of these fantastic edits of a person walking 41:31 across the screen and it takes it to you to a different scene or something 41:37 happened. this thing blows across the screen and suddenly you're in a different location. And it's something 41:43 that Edgar does so masterfully throughout, especially in like Last 41:50 Night in Soho when uh the two characters are, you know, it's supposed to be the same 41:56 person and you're seeing it in two different ways, but this just does it to 42:04 such a high degree of success throughout this movie. 42:09 And I I I just can't I can't stress enough how this is the pinn it doesn't 42:17 it doesn't get better after this movie 42:22 which is like as I'm as I'm looking forward to the running 42:28 man and hoping that it's going to be a 42:33 return to form. This is the form that I'm hoping it's going to return to 42:40 because yeah, after this when you get to like World's End and Baby Driver, you know, 42:45 and Last Night in Soho, they're they're they're not hitting this benchmark of ju 42:52 just shoehorn they've shoehorned so much awesomeness into this movie that it's an 43:00 impossible standard to replicate production wise. Yeah, 43:06 that is the crux of the biscuit here. Yeah, animation, the animation, the the 43:12 visual effects. It's got special effects. It's got choreography. The fight choreography is fantastic. They 43:19 they have a Jackiechan protege choreographing all of these fight 43:25 sequences that while I was watching it is it's just like, oh, this reminds me of Rumble in the Bronx or something. 43:32 Turns out it's a guy that worked on Rumble in the Bronx. It's pretty much Rumble in the Bronx. Yeah. And just Michael Sarah's 43:40 performances wouldn't you watch that and of course you know that his performances 43:46 wouldn't uh by design. That's the character. That's who we were 43:54 at 21. Yeah, that that's a good point. I think I 44:00 couldn't fight like that at 21. Yeah. So many enemies, too. 44:07 I don't think Michael Sarah could either. But, uh, yes, you get like the 44:12 every every act evil axe has their own kind of trope. So, the first guy, 44:17 Maddie, is um a pirate slash like Middle 44:23 Eastern guy. And I also want to point out, this is a good time to point out that the other connection to Spaced is 44:31 these 2D comicbooky flashbacks of Ramona's previous relationships where 44:37 she explains uh you know why she was with those guys and it does a little comic book uh 44:44 sequence. in I think it's episode four of season two, Daisy does that in in one 44:53 of the spaced episodes. So, it's just another longunning gag that Edgar loves 45:01 to take from his his 45:06 love of making Spaced. He had so much fun making Space that he just takes all these things that he liked about making 45:12 that and puts them into his feature films. And that's one that's on display in Scott Pilgrim. So, I wanted to make 45:18 sure to bring that up. But the the vibe of each X is so 45:25 specific and fun that I haven't been like going plot beat for 45:32 beat through these movies, but that's boring, Andy. It is boring, but 45:37 it's just cool to point out that Chris Evans shows up as the movie star 45:42 skateboarder and the way that Scott foils him is you it's all like 45:48 unconventional fight. Yes, you get the the 45:53 choreographed fight sequences, but then the way that he defeats Chris Evans is unique. 45:59 It's called a grind, bro. So, can you do a grindy thingy now? 46:06 Are you serious? There are like 200 steps and the rails 46:12 are garbage. Well, hey, if it's too hardcore. You really think you can code me into 46:17 doing a trick like that? There are girls watching. The way that he defeats Brandon Ralph 46:25 with the bass battle thing and the tone. I I mean, that's why I had to 46:30 Hey, as a bass player, I want to say that's not bass playing. That's guitar playing on a bass. [ __ ] that. Uh, but a 46:36 great sequence. And just in case you're you're tuning in for some random reason 46:42 and you haven't seen this film, um, the the way that he defeats uh, what's 46:49 his lips? Chris Evans. Yeah. Skateboard. Um, it's it's just 46:55 phenomenal. And and you would think like when you look at the running time like, oh, this is too much for this for me. 47:01 No, it's perfect. It's Yeah. Chef's kiss. Perfect. It's just It all comes down to him 47:08 going, "There's girls watching." Yeah. Right. Like his he just plays into his ego to 47:16 the point where he he beats himself. Again, bringing me back to playing in 47:23 clubs and just being a horny dude and that being so [ __ ] important. 47:29 Yeah. girls are watching. Yeah, but it actually still is. Who am I kidding? 47:38 But it that really does speak to Brian Lee Ali, the writer of the comic series, 47:44 and how brilliant he was. That putting somebody's ego on the line is 47:51 what defeats that X. putting the uh 47:56 veganism like the the pompous holier than thou, you know, challenging 48:03 Brandon Ralph's the bass player of the Clash of Demon Heads character, challenging his dedication to veganism 48:11 is what that guy, you know. Yeah, it was cool. That was the long play, but uh when we got there, it was 48:18 great. Yeah, he's I just uh I thought I put the the creamer in this cup in my 48:26 mind's eye or whatever. Dude, I can see in your mind's eye that you put half and half into one of those 48:31 coffees in an attempt to make me break vegan edge. I'll take the one soy. [Applause] 48:38 Thanks to him. Actually, Muchacha, I poured the soy in 48:44 this cup, but I thought real hard about pouring it in that cup. you know, in my mind's eye or whatever. 48:52 What are you talking about? You just drank half and half, baby. That's just the way he said. 48:57 I thought about it so hard. Yeah. And my other favorite line I don't want 49:03 to forget to bring up is when he's talking to Anna Kendrick, who is Scott's sister in the film, about why he is so 49:12 desperate to keep things on track with Ramona. And she's like, "Do you see a 49:18 future with this girl?" And Scott's answer is like 49:24 this jetpack. Yeah. But you bring up ego and at the core of 49:30 this movie is that very thing. It's like, yeah, you can say, "Oh, I had this girl. 49:37 I'm the ex." Yeah. But that girl can tell everyone about how shitty you were 49:43 in bed or whatever, you know? Yeah. So, it's like 49:48 you don't think about that all the time. Um, and this brings it home. It's like, 49:55 um, it really puts well, I would say at the time genders on the same level, you 50:03 know, in a way. It's like, you know, it's it's a dating movie. It's like 50:09 uh not something that I I would ever seek out in um I mean you don't go to 50:16 Blockbuster anymore to look at dating movies or romcoms. You [ __ ] you. 50:22 Yeah. Right. But watching it really brought me back to like how important some of these 50:27 things were. But really, it's still relevant in how people work 50:34 with each other, how relationships are. That that's that's a very good point to 50:39 make, and it's not something that I had in my notes, so I'm glad you bring it up, but we did talk about in Shauna of 50:45 the Dead how if you take the zombie apocalypse out of the movie, you still have a decent romcom between Shawn and 50:52 Liz and David and uh Diane. And if that was just the movie about their dynamic 50:59 and their relationship and David trying to get in between Shawn and Liz, you could still have a watchable movie. It 51:06 wouldn't be as fun and beloved and uh you know iconic as Shaun of the Dead, 51:12 but it would still be a romantic comedy and relatively realistic. Yeah. And if you take all of the video 51:19 game and uh rock and roll out of Scott, you probably would still have a relevant 51:27 romantic comedy with uh you know um yeah, 51:32 Scott and Ramona. And I can't not state how much I love Karen Kulkin's 51:40 character in this, especially when the scene when he comes in drunk and throw 51:46 and slaps the keys and hits Scott in the face with his car keys. And guess who's 51:52 drunk? Guess who's drunk? I guess Wallace. 51:57 You guessed right. I just [ __ ] love his character and 52:04 how he running around telling everybody how shitty Scott is. He's telling Knives 52:11 Scott sucks. He's telling Ramona Scott sucks. And he's right. Absolutely. And I had a roommate like 52:18 that and I had a Knives like that and I was the bad guy. 52:23 Scott Pilgrim. I am a recovering Scott Pilgrim. Yeah. So I you can relate. This is it's 52:31 a very relatable movie especially for a bass player. Yeah. If you play base and go through a 52:38 lot of girlfriends. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's so amazing. Again, everyone 52:46 has seen this, but if you haven't, rush the [ __ ] out. And yeah, I don't know why you're watching. Go to Blockbuster and get the VHS. 52:54 Yeah. I thought I'd go play Double Dragon on your 8bit Nintendo. 53:02 I just might later. And I just I like how 53:10 Brian the writer is leaning into the fact of well when somebody tells you who 53:16 they are, believe them. Because Ramona is telling Scott that it's going to be 53:23 hard to be with her. Scott is telling Knives. They're they're kind of pretty 53:28 upfront with how shitty they are, but everybody wants to believe that 53:34 things are going to work out. And even if somebody like uh what who goes on to 53:41 come into the movie so much later, Jason Schwarzman's um the big boss. 53:46 Yeah. Yeah. The big bad. He shows up so much later, but Ramona knows that he sucks and she still wants to be with 53:53 him. Ramona is keeps telling Scott that she sucks and Scott still is trying to 53:58 be with her and um we just uh we don't want to hear the truth once we we get it 54:05 in our head that this person is the one for us and maybe you've been married too long. It's 54:12 thinking with your genitalia. Okay. Yeah, maybe maybe you're right. But I 54:20 just God, I just love all of the 54:25 the nuance of the way that Scott gets 54:30 together with Ramona when he he get he sees her running through his mind. 54:36 They're at the party and he he tries all the things that worked with knives on 54:42 Ramona and it doesn't work on her. Hey, what's up? Nothing. Hey, you know Pac-Man? 54:49 I know of him. Well, Pac-Man was originally called Pac-Man. 54:55 They changed it because uh not because Pac-Man looks like a hockey puck. Pu pu means flap your mouth and that they were 55:02 worried people would change scratch out the P, turn it into an F like, 55:10 yeah, that's amazing. Yes. And then he orders the package and he won't let her leave. 55:17 She's like, "If you sign it, I can leave." And he's like, "Well, I'm not going to sign it unless you agree to go 55:22 out with me." It's so It's such a toxic way to shoehorn yourself into this 55:28 woman's life, but effective, Andy. That's the thing you're missing here. Yeah. And uh 55:37 there's just like so many realistic tropes that make these characters 55:42 three-dimensional and all the way down to the things that they like and don't like and the way 55:49 that they, you know, their shortcomings, you know, people having flaws ma 55:55 humanizes them to the audience. And these characters are nothing but flaws. In a lot of ways, Scott is, like you 56:03 said, an anti-hero. He's not He's not a likable person. He's charming, but 56:11 in a lot of ways, you're No, he's a coward. You're not rooting for him, right? Yeah. 56:17 He's a coward. He's uh reluctant hero. Yeah. And and Ramon, 56:24 turns out he can kick ass. I mean, I know that's the one thing he's good at is fighting. He's not good at He's not a 56:31 good bass player. That's Oh, if we didn't point that out enough, he 56:36 sucks at the base. He can't even take care of it. It's all duct taped together. 56:41 Yeah, I know. He's got See, I got I got my Rick on display back there. Yeah. Uh, and I I think that between 56:49 Lemie and Scott Pilgrim is probably the reason why I wanted a Rick and Bacher so bad. But 56:55 Oh, that's funny because I I gave you the sticker of Spaced I made you and 57:01 Simon Peg's wearing the Motorhead t-shirt. Now, he never mentions Mohead in the 57:07 show or liking metal or proto metal or whatever you want to call it, but I 57:13 found that interesting. Yeah. And that that guitar that's what Young Neil's playing at the end when 57:18 they when they si uh sell out and they had the and Sex Bob has her glow up. 57:25 That's the bass that Young Neil is playing when he replaces 57:31 another great character. Um and I God I just I love the music so much too. I 57:37 don't want to forget to bring up how uh what do you hate about 57:43 what do I hate about it? I hate the the wigs. No, you don't. I hate the I hate the main characters. 57:50 They both suck. They're just I mean, Mary Mary Elizabeth Winstead is a 57:55 beautiful woman, but trying to be in a relationship with that person just seems 58:02 so exhausting. Scott, it it's just like why why would anybody want to be with 58:08 this guy? I really don't I really don't get the appeal of Scott Pilgrim. like 58:13 why why do all these girls like him so much? Is is Michael Sarah's Scott Pilg 58:19 that I think that was a big question mark for a lot of people that were fans of the comic if I'm 58:25 remembering properly when this was coming out brand new that people thought 58:32 that casting Michael Sarah as Scott Pilgrim was a miscast. 58:37 Do you think do you feel that way? Do you think he's a good representation? Are you aware of the comic book at all? 58:45 Comic book? No. Yeah, I am. And um and it it it's one of those things 58:51 having seen it, you can't unsee it. I don't know who else I would cast as it's actually 58:58 perfect from the time if you think about it, you know. Uh coming off the heels of like super bad, 59:05 he kind of had a lot of and Arrested Development. Yeah, I was going to say Arrested Development. He was that clueless yet 59:13 kind of clever guy. He He knew about stuff but didn't want to ever be accused of knowing about 59:19 stuff. I mean, that's how I get through life. So, yeah, when Scott dumps knives, it's kind 59:27 of one of these emotionally awkward things that Edgar and the writing of the 59:34 movie nail so well. Absolutely. that vibe of what you don't 59:41 want to have to deal with when you dump somebody and he's everybody's just like, 59:46 "Why can't I just text? Why why can't I just like leave a voicemail or text?" Because you don't want to see the look 59:53 on Knives face when Scott dumps her and she's so sad. It's so It's so awkward. 1:00:02 And uh that just encapsulates the breakup process perfectly. And 1:00:08 absolutely, and I'm glad you brought that up because I kind of forgot about um the heavier and albeit brief but 1:00:18 heavy portions of the film and that's one of them. And it definitely captures 1:00:25 that feeling, right? Brings it home. um yet in a comic book 1:00:31 way, but still showing those those frames, her reaction, him dealing and 1:00:38 moving on, rebounding when she was the rebound. Uh yeah, I get it. And I've been the 1:00:45 heel. I continue to be the heel. It sucks. I'll never learn. 1:00:52 And I I just I I love the character of Knives so much. you you get so emotionally invested in her journey. 1:00:59 Yeah. And she's so joyful when when they're together and and she's happy and you 1:01:06 love seeing that she's happy. And then when it's taken away from her, you feel 1:01:12 for her in that regard. And then when she's pissed and she's doing the whole hair dying sequence when she's got her 1:01:18 head in the tub and she's just screaming and her friend is like, "I don't even know what you just said. You can't 1:01:23 understand her. Hey, this really burns. You should rinse. When I got this idea, I just thought I 1:01:29 have to do it. I can't hear anything you're saying. Oh god, I look so 1:01:37 good. Cuz she's just flying off the handle. You She is just one of the one of the 1:01:44 best performances in the movie. One of the most likable good people in the movie. when when you're talking about 1:01:50 how unlikable the main characters are. Knives is the best and then you get to the end and she's still helping these 1:01:57 two people that suck and have been nothing but shitty to her. She still shows up for them at the end and then 1:02:05 lets them go off and be shitty together at the end. Yes. And in that same vein, um, the gay 1:02:13 roommate, I can't remember the character's name. Uh, he turns out to be 1:02:19 very much like that. Like, I've been trying to help you all along. It just seems like I'm mean and selfish. 1:02:26 And it turns out I am mean and selfish, but I am also helping you. Yeah. Right. Yeah. these characters, 1:02:34 everybody around them is trying to help them. Whether it's Anna Kendrick or Aubrey Plaza, yeah, all these people 1:02:41 that are seemingly the band mates, hey, we may sell out, but it was in your best interest, 1:02:46 right? Lucas is the only one that is more maybe more self-centered than Scott 1:02:53 because he's the lead singer, guitar player, and all he only cares about himself and getting a deal and that's 1:03:00 the only that's the only thing that matters to him. And it doesn't whatever Scott's up to singers suck ice.com. 1:03:08 Yeah, this does this does suffer from that um dynamic when it gets to the 1:03:14 third act. You're like, "Oh, there's still they've only fought uh three out 1:03:19 of seven X's significantly and then it just kind of speedruns and it jams the 1:03:24 uh two of them are twins and uh it just really 1:03:29 runs past a bunch of the X's." But I do like the kaiju fight of the the eight 1:03:36 versus the two-headed dragon with the twins. Absolutely. Which is the theme song of this uh podcast series. Uh 1:03:44 features the music from that sequence because I enjoy that so much. But I re I 1:03:50 just god I love the the garbage man the dump the the garbage truck song. And 1:03:58 there's a couple of good there's a couple of good songs in this. I mean, they're not all great, but 1:04:04 of the Ramona theme. And I wrote a song about you. You did? Yeah. It goes like this. 1:04:16 [Music] 1:04:22 Oh my. 1:04:35 Can't wait to hear it when it's finished. Finished. And that does a great job with the the 1:04:40 music. So yeah, they bring back the Ramona theme and it's a tearjerker, you know. 1:04:46 Yeah. Right. And and it's featured at the end as well, right? I think. Yes. 1:04:52 But I I also want to talk about Brie Larson's involvement. That whole 1:04:57 sequence with the bass battle is so funny to me. Um just how shitty Scott is 1:05:05 at the bass and just the fact the the solo cups blowing around while they're just this 1:05:13 tornado of shitty bass solos. Those are the details that make this movie so 1:05:19 great. Yeah. Uh and you don't have to you don't have to be in a band, but it helps. 1:05:24 Yeah. And it it takes everything. the the Tekken, the video game vibe, the 1:05:30 rock and roll vibe, the uh the 1:05:35 Loveorn, you know, uh shitty attitude towards your ex and the the new 1:05:41 boyfriend and all all of these things kind of coales into this fantastic 1:05:47 sequence of uh a terrible idea of having people do bass solos against each other. 1:05:58 [Music] 1:06:06 [Music] 1:06:14 And uh it's really why I wanted you on this episode because as two bass 1:06:20 players, I found it so joyful for somebody to even conceive Steve, that 1:06:26 that would be a scene in a a comic or a movie. At the end of the day, this whole thing 1:06:34 made me question what kind of relationships Edgar Wright has had, you 1:06:39 know, how comic booky they have been. Um, but if it's anything like this film, 1:06:47 uh, they're relatable. Yeah, I I think that's the strength of this movie and uh 1:06:54 the strength of the comic and I I give so much credit to Brian Ali for making 1:07:01 it relatable and something that everybody at one point in their life has 1:07:07 felt the way that Scott feels towards his relationships. So yeah, that's what 1:07:14 that's that is what makes this movie so great. And 1:07:20 let me see. I'm looking at my notes. I see bass battle Scott sucks. Vegan 1:07:25 police producer Chris sucks. Bass players suck. 1:07:32 Yeah. Right. Yeah. And then Scott starts to get overwhelmed 1:07:37 with how much baggage Ramona has. And he start she says, "You're just another 1:07:44 evil acts waiting to happen because you can't deal with my history and my 1:07:53 track record." And it's kind of something that she's been running from. She left New York to come to Toronto to 1:07:59 get away from all this. And it just follows her around and and it it's just 1:08:06 a neverending cycle of the way that she treats the men in her 1:08:13 life. It's not just Scott that is shitty to him and not 1:08:18 it's all bass players. It's but it it's it's people in rel it's immature people 1:08:24 in relationships which is more of the bigger picture message of what this 1:08:29 movie is about. And um how you how you 1:08:35 treat people uh it can come back to haunt you. So and it's not just Scott, 1:08:41 it's also Ramona. And then you get to the end where 1:08:48 she is seemingly leaving Scott for Jason 1:08:54 Schwarzman's uh Gman, who is a record exec who seemingly has 1:09:01 it all figured out. He's giving Sex Bob a record contract. He's taking Scott's 1:09:09 girl away from him and she's I I don't know. I guess a lot of people 1:09:14 have this toxic person in their past there where Ramona says that he has a 1:09:21 way into her head and she can't figure out what she likes about a person who is 1:09:27 seemingly so shitty to them. And I think that's very relatable too. It's you 1:09:32 don't you you don't know why somebody that doesn't hold your feelings 1:09:40 [Music] sacred or like you precious, you know, why that something something that would 1:09:47 make you feel shitty. Uh you you still run back to. 1:09:52 And how does that make you feel, Andy? It's making me upset, Chris. I'm very very 1:09:57 Well, I'm sorry. Our time is up. So, you'll get my bill in the mail. Yeah. 1:10:03 Luckily, Luckily, I've met somebody who does, but I Yes. People people that you think that 1:10:10 they're the person for you until you realize that they're treating [ __ ] You know, it's very hard thing to figure out 1:10:17 uh with in the romantic realm is my point. Yes. Can you relate to that? 1:10:23 Yeah. Remove the record contract and Yes. I've I've hadve 1:10:29 had this adversarial uh you know relationship with with the 1:10:34 exes of the present girlfriend and the going nowness of the present girlfriend. 1:10:44 Yeah. And I I enjoyed that they used the Rolling Stones under my thumb. Yes. with 1:10:50 the way they they used uh Dire Straits, Romeo and Juliet and Hot Fuzz when the 1:10:56 the people that were doing that stage production get killed and then 1:11:01 Timothy Dalton's Skinner character rolls up and you're he's they've just been 1:11:07 throwing it in your face that this is the bad guy and then he rolls up listening to Dire Strait's Romeo and 1:11:13 Juliet and in Scott Pilgrim Jason Schwarzman Zman is playing under 1:11:20 my thumb while he takes steals Scott Pilgrim's girlfriend. 1:11:25 Yeah, sweetie. Shall we? 1:11:34 And it's it's a very Edgar Wright thing to feature. Absolutely. It's it's comic book, but it 1:11:42 still makes you feel. Mhm. And uh you know there's a comeuppance but you know you also had to 1:11:48 feel those feels for that feeling time. Yep. Yep. So then we finally have the 1:11:58 the parallel conflict that Ramona has with Gideon 1:12:04 Gman Jason Schwarzman's character and Knives and Scott. It's like Scott's been 1:12:11 treating knives like [ __ ] the whole time and Gideon's been treating Ramona like [ __ ] the whole time and now they are all 1:12:20 going to have a kung fu blazing sword fight about trying to figure out who 1:12:27 should be with who in the best way possible. It's so [ __ ] fantastic. I 1:12:33 really love the finale and how just 1:12:39 hipster douchy Jason Schwarzman is when he's talking about sw you made me 1:12:46 swallow my gum. It's gonna be he's never been afraid to play this character. I love him for this. 1:12:52 Dude, I [ __ ] love Rushmore so much. It's such a great movie. It really And I love Jason Schwarzman and uh Bored to 1:12:59 Death. If you're not aware of the HBO series Bored to Death and you have any kind of love in your heart for Jason 1:13:07 Schwarzman, go watch Bored to Death with um Sam Malone. What's his name? 1:13:16 And Zack Knakis dancing. You [ __ ] dancing. 1:13:21 Thank you. Yeah, good place guy. 1:13:27 Yeah. Anyway, great show is what I'm saying. 1:13:32 Yes. But uh yeah, that this finale fight and then just when you think it's all over, 1:13:39 which is the this is the best version of something I hate so much, Chris, which 1:13:46 is when a hero has to fight a villain that is just the evil version of the 1:13:53 hero. Yeah. that they've done so many times since Iron Man 2 and Black Panther and 1:14:01 so many even up to the new Superman where you find out that and spo spoilers 1:14:08 Superman is fighting a evil version of Super I [ __ ] hate it. It's so [ __ ] 1:14:14 lazy. So, for you to get to the end of this and the Nega Scott to come out and 1:14:23 you're like, "Oh [ __ ] how is he gonna after after he's gone through all of this, how is he going to fight some a 1:14:29 villain that's just as big and strong of a douche as real Scott Pilgrim?" And 1:14:36 then they just thrown away in the funniest way. And they come out and they're just buddy 1:14:41 buddy and they're going to go to brunch together. He's just like, he's actually a really cool guy. He's he's he's just a really nice guy. 1:14:47 We're going to get brunch next week. Yes. I just love that they just squash that 1:14:53 because I hate that [ __ ] It is a trope that blows. Yeah. It's so lazy that. And uh if you 1:15:00 kill the head vampire, all the vampires die. Okay. Yeah. Oh, that's not how it works. 1:15:06 Oh, it's definitely how it works. I can say for sure with all of my 1:15:11 vampire killing history. So yeah, uh Scott Pilgrim and I I could 1:15:19 go on all day about I really could just put this on and talk about it scene for 1:15:26 scene, but that's not what this is about, Chris. What it really is all about is The Running Man coming out. And 1:15:35 I really want to know what your opinions are of the original Running Man and what 1:15:40 what is your awareness of the new maybe the novel and the new movie that's 1:15:45 coming out. What what are your thoughts on the Running Man? Okay, I'll make this brief. 1:15:53 Read the Nolla. It's a novel. It's a Richard Bachmann. 1:15:59 Sure. It's a short story. It's a No, it's a it's a full novel. Oh, okay. Yeah, I read it when I was 1:16:05 like 14 and Okay. Like liked it. You did like it. May have jerked off at one point. 1:16:12 I don't remember that. Who the [ __ ] knows? I was jerking off a lot then. And uh 1:16:18 I haven't heard that feedback yet. So, good on you for bringing a unique perspective to the book. 1:16:24 Movie is great. Loved Richard Dawson in it. I don't think that role can be 1:16:29 surpassed and looking forward to this. And uh but I think we should put a poll out 1:16:35 there like name a better allencompassing entertaining movie 1:16:41 um that's better than Scott Pilgrim. Oh, 1:16:47 you know coming into this I want to say Amaly would be one of my favorites when it comes to it's got it all. 1:16:54 Is that right? I've never seen that and I Okay. I'm s that is 1:17:01 I would never suspect that you would say that. That makes me want to go watch it because I haven't seen that. 1:17:07 Say more about that. What do you mean? What makes you say that? That's such a great Well, Scott Pilgrim moves me and I 1:17:12 wanted to make sure on this rewatching because I hadn't seen it since it was new. And it it does it it does have it 1:17:20 all. It's mostly laughs. There is no shortage of jokes, 1:17:25 but it's got the stylization. I mean, 1:17:31 it it is watching a graphic novel. It is so [ __ ] great and gripping. 1:17:37 And like I said, it's great that there's a little bit of downtime just so you can catch your breath. Um, 1:17:44 but yeah, maybe it just captures something that's personal to me being being in 1:17:51 bands and uh trudging around in your chucks in the winter and [ __ ] like that. 1:17:57 Yeah, I I was more I was more interested in why you would say homaly like 1:18:05 because I whenever I'm meeting someone talking about films I we usually talk 1:18:11 about what's got it all and Amaly has it all to me but I think this might actually 1:18:17 surpass that. All right, I'm gonna have to watch that now because and they came out at the same time. So is it subtitles? It is it French 1:18:24 or is it Yeah, we we Okay, maybe that's why I 1:18:30 haven't seen it, but I am gonna go out of my way to see that now. But I do think that this is the time to mention 1:18:38 because I I did the episode of Baby Driver 1:18:44 before we recorded this. and I did a deep dive into the writing of the movies 1:18:52 based on the the weakness of the writing of Baby Driver. So I this is why I brought up in 1:18:59 the beginning that Shawn and Hot Fuzz are so strong based on the writing of 1:19:05 Simon Peg. Yes. And Baby Driver is so weak because Edgar did that solo with no writing partner. 1:19:13 And I don't think that Baby is a a very well-round not to spoil the Baby Driver 1:19:19 episode, but it's it's a it's a weak character development movie. Now, Scott 1:19:26 was written by um obviously Brian Leo Ali, and that's 1:19:32 the strength of the character development for these characters. But the person that co-wrote this with Edgar 1:19:40 is also the co-writer that is writing that wrote The Running Man. So that 1:19:47 gives me a lot of hope for The Running Man. I think the guy's name is Michael 1:19:52 Michael Beall or something. I I'm I'm an [ __ ] for not knowing. I'll I'll splash it on the screen. The the proper 1:19:58 credit for not calling out properly now. You can edit that. Yeah, that's great. Yeah, I'll edit it in. And He's he was 1:20:06 in like in Glorious Bastards and he has like some acting credits too, but he was 1:20:11 the co-writer on Scott. So, the fact that I love Scott so much and that this 1:20:17 guy is co-writing Running Man gives me a lot of hope for The Running Man. So, I'm 1:20:23 looking forward to it even more now knowing that based on the strength of Scott Pilgrim. So, and I'll be seeing that live with you in 1:20:32 the theater and with Yes, the plan is for everybody that 1:20:38 participated in this uh series reviewing these films will hopefully go see The 1:20:44 Running Man when that gets released and where we'll do a review of The Running Man and everybody that had a chance to 1:20:50 talk about Edgar Wright will get to weigh in on how great The Running I'm getting all of my hopes up, Chris, that 1:20:56 The Running Man is going to be fantastic because I love Edgar Wright and I love the original Running Man and I think 1:21:03 that it is going to be good. So, uh, let's let's keep talking about it. So, I 1:21:10 want to thank you for talking about Scott Pilgrim with me. I really feel like we we could go on and on about it, 1:21:17 but Oh, yeah. Yeah. Do another hour on the stoop. Yes, I know. The walk over. 1:21:25 Uh, is there anything you would like to plug at this time, Chris? Um, just check 1:21:31 out me and Carl at uh who are these.com 1:21:36 and you get all the information you need. Yeah. Yep. We wouldn't be here without 1:21:41 Who are these podcasts and Carl Hamburger. So, uh, please check that out 1:21:47 if you want to see more of producer Chris. And if you are thinking about 1:21:52 missing next week's episode of All the Right Moves, 1:22:01 Don't [Music]