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GOAT DEBATE! From The NFL to All Of Sports · Fanatically Speaking with Kent

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what's up everybody welcome to fanatically speaking
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i'm kent i'm log off i'm the log off legend and
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uh we're here to say everything that every fan
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is thinking but louder and probably a little
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crazier get ready this is fanatically speaking
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with kent and log off you know what's funny like
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i don't hate i don't i'm not a social media hater
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i'm a social media Hater, you know what I mean?
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Yeah Like I is though. I don't want people to
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think that I get on the internet and start hating
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people on social media That's not what I do.
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The first half was absolute absolutely Horrible,
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you know just inept offense inept defense special
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teams you name it I'm gonna turn into Oprah.
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Why were you so angry? He sucks this season this
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game whatever whatever is going on right and
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then in the very next pitch guess what they They
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double Homer. And he's like, told you that. Why
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are you always knocking down people? Listen,
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you got the highs and the lows. Yeah, so I knew
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that. You need the highs and the lows. So I do
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that, yeah. I'm trying to be the voice of reason
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here. I am what I am. What's up everybody welcome
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to another episode of fanatically speaking I'm
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Kent your co -host and promoter. I am log off
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the log off legend the hater of social media
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I'm the co -host and producer of the show Today
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we're going to the farm kind of we're gonna We're
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gonna talk about goats. Oh, yeah, let's talk
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about goats. Yeah, let's do that Okay, all kinds
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of sport goats. Yeah, not Billy goats No, Billy
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goats not goat boy You know what's funny, have
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you ever seen the pictures of the goats standing
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on the side of the mountain? I think so. No,
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that shit is crazy. Like a ledge, like two, three
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inches wide, and they're standing like sideways.
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You never seen that shit? I don't think so. It'll
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trip you out. Before this over, I'll have to
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send you a picture of that shit. It's crazy looking.
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of them standing on us. You said the highway?
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No, standing on the side of a mountain, sir.
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On the side of the mountain. I know it sounds
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ridiculous, but... It's crazy. I got you. Don't
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look it up. I'm gonna send it to you in the middle
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of this and blow your mind real quick. And it's
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from a guy who, you know, grew up with goats.
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Yeah. There were a couple of goats around me.
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We had goats. My girlfriend and friends had goats.
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But that's another conversation. Yeah. So let's
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get into The goat conversation the I Put this
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as the obligatory goat debate. It's Jordan versus
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LeBron Okay A Even though I know LeBron's only
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been in the league 20 something years. It's a
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it's a question as old as I Mean, I don't know
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It it's feel like it's been around forever. It
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feels like it has an answer to the question,
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but yet people still argue it about who is the
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actual, the NBA GOAT, I guess is probably the
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better way to put it. So I mean, we're not gonna
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bury the lead. I already know who you're gonna
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go with in the GOAT debate. So I'll let you go
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ahead and lead off. I'll let you be Shohei. Okay,
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so Jordan is my guy as GOAT of the NBA, best
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player ever. maybe that comes from, again, growing
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up in the 90s, living the Michael Jordan era.
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We brought up, you know, sports villains and
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that was your sports villain, one of them, because
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he won, because he was the guy, he was on top.
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And yeah, so the 90s, man, I mean, it was a different,
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it was just a different time, but he controlled,
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I mean, he dominated. One, he dominated on the
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court. He changed the game. He changed the eyeballs
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that were on the game. Look at the scoring titles.
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Look at the defensive player of the years. Look
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at the finals runs. There was nobody like him.
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Skill level, you name it. I could keep on going.
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Never lost in the finals. There's so much about
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him. People argue that he played with Pippen
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and Rodman. And all these great players, well,
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I always say like, yeah, he played with Pippen.
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We can always guess if Pippen would have been
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the same player without Jordan. We know what
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Pippen was after Jordan. He wasn't the same player.
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Rodman was always on championship teams with
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Detroit and then in Chicago. Other times he was
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a little wacky with the San Antonio and other
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teams. But yeah, my pick's Jordan. Always with
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LeBron, just that's what I put into it. I know
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they say the myth of Jordan, he never lost a
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game, he never did anything, he never missed
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a shot. He did. His legend is so far out ahead
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of everyone else's. I understand. I don't want
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to cut you off, I want to let you finish. I just
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want to make sure I didn't cut you off. No, he
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didn't get me off. I mean, I don't really have
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much more to say except, you know He he started
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with a terrible team built it up and then once
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they started winning then they they never lost
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Never lost the championship. Yeah every year
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that he played the full season We know about
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he left for baseball after his father passed.
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He came back. They lost to the magic You know,
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he had to switch from 45 back to 23 and then
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then retired in the Wizards area, you know, it's
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all you know It is what it is. But with eyeballs
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watching the game, and we can talk about stats
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all day long, and I've got you, if you want to
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bring up LeBron's stats, just look at the years,
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do the math of Jordan, if he would have played
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the two years that he sat out or the years in
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between Bulls and Wizards, he would be right
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there in a lesser time than LeBron on the points.
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And even at the time he did play, he put up the
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points, put up the stats. And again, clutch.
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He had that mentality. And we've seen the documentary,
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right? I mean, he didn't care about anything
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else but basketball winning. And he's going to
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make sure his teammates did the same. So all
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that wrapped into one makes him the goat of the
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NBA. And again, you had to live it. You had to
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watch it. He wasn't perfect, but he damn sure
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was close. OK. I've some of that I heard before
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some of that I haven't so I'm just gonna poke
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some holes in that real quick and then I'll I'm
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gonna attempt to Classify LeBron as being a formidable
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opponent in this discussion one There's several
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other players in the NBA history who've got more
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rings than Jordan. So the ring debate is you
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know, where everybody just kind of wanted to
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put his six versus LeBron's four. Okay. Easy
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math. We get it. But there were, I think, I think
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the reason why Jordan kind of gets the overwhelming
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pick as the goat is because like you said earlier,
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his legend is so far ahead of any current player
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or past player, because everyone who's basically
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living right now, has either experienced it,
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and then the young kids that are growing up were
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always told about how great Jordan was. And you
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can look up the highlights and everything on
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YouTube and all of that stuff. I know how you
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said how, you know, the only thing he cared about
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winning. I would say that he loved, as much about
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winning, he loved smoking cigars. And he also
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loved dad jeans. and and he loved gambling okay
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so like there were other things that he loved
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you know golf baseball left basket he loved basketball
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left it to go play baseball and i understand
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you know it's dad passing and all that i'm not
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trying to make light of it but the the other
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thing that i can say is that can't be Take it
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for granted and I think the only reason why we
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take it for granted now is because we see other
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examples of athletes doing this Like LeBron is
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playing into their 40s And of course Brady had
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a head start on them. Nothing we could do but
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there's so many great athletes I mean we saw
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what Steph Curry did opening night this year
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at 37 years old Incredible at 37 years old and
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it's crazy because I still remember him as that
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Davidson kid baby -faced assassin But the way
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that LeBron has played the physical style of
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basketball With at such a high level there's
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never been a player 38 39 40 That puts up the
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amount of production that he does now What I
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will say is he does pick of spots He takes it
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easy. He does not play as hard as he used to
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but name a 40 year old that does and We could
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talk about the records and the points records
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and the games played and all this stuff. It has
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to matter because when he's all set and done
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with him, those records will never be broken.
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He's going to shatter all of those records. And
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as much of the credit that we want to give to
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Jordan, Jordan missed some years in his career.
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He had the injury year. where he hurt himself.
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He had the, uh, of course the years, like you
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said, the two years in between the championships,
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you know, when they came back and lost to the
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Magic. So these are things that are going to
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happen throughout a player's career, not LeBron's.
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He never missed a significant amount of time.
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The only time he missed time was during like
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nagging injuries. It just didn't heal up quick
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enough, but it, I think it has to be in the conversation
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to where it's not like, Hey, it's just cutting
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dry. Jordan's better than LeBron period. You
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have to understand that if you put those two
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side by side in a game, I think we all would
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like to think that LeBron, I'm sorry, that Jordan
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would beat LeBron. But I gotta be honest, man,
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I like LeBron's chances. Like he was the only
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thing we know, the only thing I know for sure
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that Jordan had over LeBron was I firmly believe
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that Jordan just didn't give a shit. And I think
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LeBron does care. But if you put them on the
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court side by side, I think that it would be
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the time for him to actually care enough to show
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us what he is. I think if you put them on the
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court with Jordan in their prime, you would get
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the best version of LeBron. You may get your
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best version of Jordan too, but you would absolutely
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get your best version of LeBron. And that's the
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best I could do in trying to make a case for
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Bron. All right. So my turn to poke holes in
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you. Go ahead. You have the floor. You have the
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floor, sir. A couple of things. You mentioned
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his physicality. Well, he definitely doesn't
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play in the 90s. So LeBron has not played in
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a physical era of basketball. He plays in the
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era of basketball where they want offense. And
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we know LeBron, if the wind blows by his head,
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he acts like he got stabbed in the face. and
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he falls on the floor crying and kicking his
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legs. So we know the, the flop does what he does.
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Jordan never, Jordan never did that. Now Jordan
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did get Jordan calls. I'm not going to sit here
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and act like he didn't. He got, he got that,
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he got that special treatment, but so, so LeBron
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does that. We all know, like I said, flopping
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and you know, the craziest stuff you've ever
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seen. And we get to the championships. I always
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bring this up. I can't get, I could never give
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LeBron the goat title because, you know, he lost
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to the Dallas Mavericks where he just disappeared
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in the finals. Michael Jordan would have never
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disappeared in the finals. He would have never
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allowed his team or himself to lose to that Dallas
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Mavericks team. Not a Dirk Nowitzki and a bunch
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of old dudes, uh, you know, role players and
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Jason Kidd being an old point guard. Whoa, whoa,
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whoa, whoa, whoa. We're not going to sit here
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in a disrespect, JJ Barea. We're not going to
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disrespect. We will not disrespect JJ. Look,
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he disappeared. That Heat team was built to win
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and they didn't get the job done. Then he goes
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on to win. They beat the Thunder. Then I start
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then then here's where I start getting a little
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nitpicky again, right? Like I'm not even I didn't
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bring up the Cavs like he I give LeBron credit
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that Cavs team went to the finals. one of that
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lightning in a bottle seasons playoff run that
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he had and he was amazing. So I'm giving credit
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to LeBron. Young LeBron, one of the greatest
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performances I've ever watched him go against
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the Pistons in those playoffs. Eventually though,
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he met the mighty Spurs and they took care of
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him, which they should have. So now we get back
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right loose to the Mavericks and this is after
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coming off those Cav playoff losses where they
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were saying what happened to Lebron he disappear
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Against the Celtics against the magic. So here
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we go in the finals against the Mavs and he disappears,
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right? No points in fourth quarters things like
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that, right? We hear Stephen a bring up this
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stuff So then he beats the Thunder young up -and
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-coming team then of course he beats the Spurs
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if only there's just those little things that
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happen. Like he better send Ray Allen a cake
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every year or something for knocking down that
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shot. He better send something to Greg Popovich
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every year for not having Tim Duncan in that
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ball game. To grab that rebound? Yeah, to grab
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that rebound. So he should send Kawhi Leonard
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something for missing those free throws. Because
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LeBron had missed every shot. At the end of that
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game, right? He missed he missed that bad shot
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that the rebound got kicked out to Ray Allen
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so At the end of the day though. He did come
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back game 71. They let him shoot and he performed
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so credit there Next year Spurs put that whooping
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on them. I Give LeBron credit for for only a
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few titles. I'm not gonna go through the whole
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history The run that he had in the East was amazing
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That loss to the Mavericks hurts Right. That's
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a tough one. Then he got a title in a bubble.
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Oh, damn. Yeah. I mean, these are things that
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happen that, again, I'm not saying that, I mean,
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everybody's on the same playing field. You know
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what I mean? They're all in the bubble. But it's
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still the bubble. There's no traveling. There's
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no going, you know. But they won with what was
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in front of them. But still a bubble. They beat
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the Warriors that was his greatest victory in
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the finals. I Would say but of course then you
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got that asterix of the Draymond suspension the
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curry injury Curry so there's there's things
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That happen But he still won he still went to
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you know All the finals in a row so credit to
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LeBron But again, those losses, his actions,
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the flopping, just certain things. But like you
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said, you know, he did think about things too
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much. And that's probably because he was playing
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in Jordan's shadow. I mean, he was crowned the
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king in high school. You know, he's King James.
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He's getting televised in high school. So there's
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a lot of pressure. He's handled it very well.
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I always give LeBron his credit where it's due.
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Again, carrying himself the way he carries himself
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as a family man, staying out of trouble. You
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never hear anything like that with LeBron. He
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says a lot of stupid stuff. He puts on an act
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a lot. He's a really good actor. He just does
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just stupid stuff that your goat or self -proclaimed
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goat just can't do. You know what I mean? self
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-proclaim yourself as well. But there's just
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those little things. The Jordan stuff, again,
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you say who would win. I mean, Jordan was pretty
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tough, man. He was a good defender. I mean, we
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could say LeBron was a good defender. It would
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be a tough matchup. Jordan in his prom, though,
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I mean, he had that killer instinct. It would
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have been fun. We can always fantasy book that
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and fantasy think about what that would be like.
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Two different players, though, also. I think
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we can agree on that. Built different positions.
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I think LeBron was really smart. I think he's
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a really smart player still to this day. Give
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him credit. He played a lot of games. He hasn't
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really set out a lot, but he does kind of get
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into that load management and you heard Jordan
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I don't know if you saw the interview the other
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night what he's not a fan or load management
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And he never was so he played There's all the
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things we can nitpick and I you can say that
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there's no there's no one answer right we I'm
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defending Jordan You're defending LeBron. We
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thought this would be a good topic to just get
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it out of the way all podcasts, all shows, they
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got to do the Jordan LeBron debate. And that's
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why I said the obligatory goat debate for the
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NBA. I've lived through both eras now. And of
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course, I'm going to be partial to the 90s because
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I believe everything was better in the 90s. I
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agree. I agree with that. Yeah. So and the Jordan
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era, you know, I had a little fatigue in the
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90s, like you said, talked about, you know, again,
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that comes with anybody winning all the time
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if it's not your team. Right. Yeah. Again. But
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the LeBron stuff, again, I was team LeBron up
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until, man. The decision? No, you know what?
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I was behind him 100%, man. I used to defend
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him because he's a free agent. I'm like, well,
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why are you mad? Like, they did everything within
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the rule. So what was it? Man, he just started
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talking. OK, so no, no, no, no, hold on, hold
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on. So I'm going to. I think it's the talking
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and the flopping. So if you want to say, the
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awful court is really just him yapping a lot
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about stuff. And a lot of times, I'm sorry, and
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a lot of times I just don't think he was, he
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knew what he was talking about, but he would
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like to just put his input. And it's like, we
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know you think you're a king, but you're not.
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So here's the thing. So, and I'm, and I can,
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there's a lot of that that I can agree with when
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it comes to LeBron. There's a lot of that that
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I can agree with. So just, just to, and I'll
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put a bow on this. And this ain't gonna take
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me long. The thing about Jordan is this. I understand
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the thing you're saying about LeBron, he says
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this and he does this stuff off the court. Jordan
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didn't say shit. Jordan never said anything meaningful.
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All the favorite quotes that we have from Jordan
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either come from his commercials or something
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that we've heard somebody else repeat that he
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said. Like he doesn't really, he's not. I mean,
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the last dance documentary, it's like, okay,
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he had a chance to kind of rehearse for that.
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It's fine. It was tailor -made for Jordan sitting
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on the couch with some scotch or some whiskey
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or whatever that was he was drinking, right?
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It was tailor -made. But I think all in all,
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the reason why, if no one's gonna pick LeBron
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as the GOAT, the main reason is because at the
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end of the day, no matter how long he lives,
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no matter how much money he makes, no matter
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what he does, he will never, he will never be
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as cool as Michael Jordan. And I think that's
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what it boils down to. We always look at LeBron
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as some dude that's trying too hard. Dude that's
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maybe a little too corny. And you never got that
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from Jordan. And I think that's what it is. It's
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the, you could take all the on the court stuff,
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like you mentioned, we could bring up stats all
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day. But then you couple that with the guy who,
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literally made bald cool. We talk about a guy
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who, and people seem to forget this. People seem
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to forget this about Jordan. Jordan had a commercial
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where he literally had a Hitler mustache and
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no one said anything. He was selling Hanes on
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a flight. He was in the air selling underwear
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with a Hitler mustache. They took a, they could
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do a Sharpie right under the nose. Yeah, give
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him, give him the skid mark right there on his
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lip. Like, so, so I get it. I understand it.
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It makes sense to me, but so I think, I think
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those types of things are going to be things
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that are outside of LeBron's control. He is who
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he is. I do think he's a little bit of a corn
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ball and, and I think that hurts and, and makes
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him, I hate using the word legacy. God is so
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fucking lame, but The other thing that kills
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me about this, and I know somebody's gonna steal
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my take, but that's why LeBron will never be
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Jordan. The level of cool that Michael Jordan
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had in that era, all the brands and products
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that that man is responsible for still being
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cool today, McDonald's, Gatorade, Nike, Hanes,
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those are still his cologne, James. His Jordan
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shoes, the shoes alone are the greatest shoes
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ever created. You know, so much so, and I was
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actually, I was listening to something earlier,
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listening to a podcast and they were talking
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about Complex does like a top, you know, 25 shoes
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of the year or whatever. And over half of them
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are retro Jordans, which to me is cheating. Like
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if you're going to do a shoes of the year, why
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don't you do new shoes that are coming out with
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all these new athletes and kind of give them
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a chance to promote them? I get it. The Jordans
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are dope. I get it. Because they're still not
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better than the Jordans. Maybe, but the Jordans
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are going to sell without complex, putting them,
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putting half of them on their list. The off whites
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and the, you know, all the retros and all that
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stuff. So, you know, props to Jordan. He's killing
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it. By the way, I need you to admit that the
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interviews that Jordan is doing kind of cheesy.
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Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to sit there and
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watch it. Got what what else what else does Jordan
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have to tell me? Like I like I like the clips
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like you said it show it tell you talking about
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load management. I like that because It is stupid,
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but you didn't but here's thing, but and I'm
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not gonna I'm not giving you that kit You didn't
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need Jordan to tell you that everybody had like
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Jordan says something that was profound We all
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who loves look, you know, there's only one person
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on this planet who loves load management makes
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him the goat What? Greg Popovich. He created,
24:03
he's the creator of, of, of the, of load management.
24:06
So he did it in a special way, but the other,
24:10
the other thing, one more thing that'll make
24:11
Jordan better, LeBron is, uh, his space jam is
24:14
better than LeBron's space. He did have a much
24:16
better space jam. So much so because I didn't
24:19
want to watch the second one. I didn't watch
24:20
the second one either, dude. There's no reason
24:22
hell out of here, LeBron. No, you can't want
24:26
to get out of Michael Jordan's shadow and then
24:28
try to - And literally follow in his footsteps.
24:30
Nah, I can't do it. Can't do it. Not going to
24:33
be able to do it. LeBron is an all -time great.
24:37
He is. He is. It's an all -time fun conversation.
24:39
He's a top five. He's in the starting lineup
24:41
of the all -time five. Anybody would take him
24:45
every day of the week. I would take him on the
24:47
hornets. There were times I wanted that trade,
24:49
Jordan, to go get LeBron. Because I'll take -
24:53
I'll take anybody in Charlotte to make them a
24:55
winner. But I could tell good fun conversation.
24:59
We're going to shift gears if you're ready to
25:01
shift gears. Yeah, let's let's go. What you got?
25:07
We're going to hit on all the other sports that
25:10
we care about, about who's the goat. A lot of
25:13
these are going to be really short conversations.
25:17
You know, we knocked out the NBA there with Jordan
25:18
LeBron, and now we're going to get into first
25:21
the NFL. Okay. All right. So I think I want to
25:25
take this one. So we're talking, we're talking
25:29
Goat, greatest player of all time within the
25:32
NFL. So that means for any position. Yes. That
25:36
means for any era, that means for any team. So
25:38
we are going just purely on, on, on their greatness
25:42
as a player. Now for the LeBron Jordan conversation,
25:47
there was a lot of back and forth about all the
25:50
things that were taking place off the court.
25:52
Do those components matter when it comes to this
25:55
particular goat debate as well? I Think you can
26:00
bring them up but for some reason in football
26:02
doesn't feel the same does it? They don't like
26:05
to use the off -the -field stuff, you know, unless
26:08
we go back to our sports villains and OJ Simpson,
26:10
but Yeah, no, I'm with you, um, okay, so I'm
26:17
gonna go with my goat All -timer Hall of Famer,
26:23
he has a very simple name that even if you were
26:28
to hear it, it doesn't matter. You're still going
26:30
to think about this man. He was an amazing athlete
26:37
in multiple sports. He played in an era that
26:42
was very hard to be at the highest of high levels.
26:46
At this time, they did not make a lot of money,
26:48
but He was able to parlay all of that football
26:53
success into a very respectable acting career.
27:00
And on top of that, he was one of the most prominent
27:04
athletic civil rights leaders of our time. I'm
27:07
talking about a one and only Mr. Jim Brown himself.
27:12
Okay. Nice. Just it's easy. I mean, listen, if
27:16
anybody wants, if you, if you don't believe me,
27:18
go back and look up some Jim Brown highlights
27:19
is all over YouTube. Look at his stats, look
27:22
at what he did. And a lot of people don't know
27:24
this hell of a lacrosse player. Oh yeah. Yeah.
27:28
So, yeah. So it, so, I mean, just solid resume
27:31
top to bottom. He's got controversial stuff in
27:34
his past, like all athletes from that era does.
27:36
And I'm not dismissing any of that, but, but
27:39
in terms of my Goat greatest of all time athlete
27:43
the the toughness He did this without all of
27:46
the drugs in the era now all the surgeries in
27:49
this era now You know and without you know the
27:53
modern Conveniences that athletes have and that
27:56
dude was an absolute murderer on the football
27:58
field Jim Brown with a bullet Okay So see so
28:03
we can agree we don't have Tom Brady as the good.
28:08
Oh I do have Tom Brady as a GOAT, but when it
28:13
comes to quarterbacks, and I'll leave it at that.
28:16
Okay. I just want to bring up my Tom Brady take
28:20
is just that he only really won two Super Bowls.
28:27
Wow. Okay. Maybe three. Listen, no, I'm not gonna
28:32
allow you to do this. I will do that. No, no,
28:34
no, I'm not gonna allow you to take away championships
28:37
from people who went out there and earned them.
28:40
That man was the start, that man, hold on, that
28:41
man was, he wasn't on the bench, he was the starting
28:43
quarterback. Listen. For those teams that won
28:46
Super Bowls, I will not allow that to happen,
28:48
sir. I'm not gonna take away championships. Sure
28:52
sounds like it. But when there's always a yeah,
28:55
but. You know what I mean? Then that championship
28:58
has a little, you know, it's a little tainted.
29:00
Like I said, the first three, they were video,
29:02
you know, they were cheating, videotaping practices
29:05
before the Super Bowl. We don't know what they
29:07
saw those first three titles. And then you got
29:10
the, all the Seahawks have to do is hand the
29:13
ball off. They should have never won that game.
29:16
I know that they did, but I'm just saying, Seahawks
29:20
just hand it off. Listen, if you give me, if
29:23
you give me, The yeah, but I could I could massacre
29:29
anyone's like championship resumes. I understand
29:32
Yeah, so I'm not gonna allow you to do it. I
29:35
can't this is I put Tom Brady like LeBron Tom
29:40
Brady did perform and he and he played it alone
29:43
At a high level for a long time. I would never
29:46
take that away. I only like to argue about his
29:49
championships that They all have something going
29:53
on The Patriots Rams was one of the worst Super
29:56
Bowls in history of the world. The Buc Super
30:00
Bowl, that was probably his best one, to be honest
30:04
with you. But yeah, I can agree. He's an unbelievable
30:09
player. He played for a really long time. Again,
30:12
I like to go back in the past. Joe Montana was
30:14
pretty dang good. Also different eras. I think
30:18
we forget about that too. Like Tom Brady got
30:21
the Tom Brady rule. He had the tuck rule. Again,
30:26
offensive -minded league. That's where numbers
30:29
are inflated now. I know athletes are better,
30:31
players are better, but all that stuff comes
30:34
into play. I'm not going to go Brady just because
30:39
I think we can both agree on that. I'm just going
30:42
to go Barry Sanders. OK, you're going to have
30:47
to elaborate. We always talk about No one no
30:54
one ran the ball like Barry Sanders. Nobody had
30:57
those moves Nobody put up the numbers in a short
31:00
bit of time outside of Jim Brown, right? Both
31:03
of them short careers very short careers and
31:05
I can't argue with Jim Brown I'm just giving
31:07
you an a different person but Barry Sanders again,
31:10
we always talk about if he had that Dallas offensive
31:13
line How many yards would he had rushed for?
31:17
He played in Detroit They had a couple of good
31:22
teams, but never really, I don't think, serious
31:25
contenders for a championship. And I think a
31:29
lot of that was because they had Barry Sanders.
31:32
There's been no one like him until probably Saquon,
31:38
truthfully. There might be a couple other players
31:42
in there, but the one that reminds you of Barry
31:45
is Saquon Barkley. But yeah, I mean, again, is
31:51
he the NFL GOAT? I don't know. Maybe running
31:53
back. Then you got Jerry Rice, greatest receiver.
31:58
Deion Sanders, greatest corner. I mean, there's
32:02
so many GOATs. I'm not going to sit here and
32:05
just give one. I just can't. Got it. No, and
32:08
that's fine. I think I just wanted to hit on
32:11
a conversation about it. I've got more to say
32:14
on the baseball, probably, though. Got it. And
32:17
yeah, and like I said, and the one thing I'll
32:19
use to kind of close with the NFL and their particular
32:22
goats that we picked. Yeah. A comparison and
32:25
a correlation between both of our picks, and
32:27
we did not do this intentionally. Both Jen Brown
32:30
and Barry Sanders, they both only played for
32:33
one team their entire careers. Wow. So it's a
32:37
rarity. Obviously, something like that doesn't
32:39
take place nowadays. Totally different time.
32:42
But yeah, I mean, it's in different eras. But
32:47
yeah, both, you know both killers and yeah, I
32:50
like that Barry Sanders pick You know just because
32:53
it's hard to argue because I don't think there's
32:55
any bad words that have ever been said about
32:57
that man Never. Yeah. He I mean, he's just he's
33:00
the the panic. He's the pinnacle He's the football
33:04
players football player So our next Goat conversation
33:14
real quick is Major League Baseball. And this
33:17
is a fun one because there's so many factors,
33:20
so many variables. You want me to go? Yeah, lead
33:27
off on this one using my baseball puns. So I
33:32
did some numbers. I do this every now, especially
33:34
with baseball. I like to just take stats, take
33:37
numbers, take awards, put it in a spreadsheet.
33:41
Then compare I do this mainly for like Hall of
33:44
Fame, but I've been doing it lately for who is
33:48
in that conversation of greatest player ever
33:51
in Major League Baseball Now we got you know,
33:57
you got your steroids that affect some players
34:00
and Then I've got my I don't know if it's a hot
34:05
take but anybody ever taught had this conversation
34:07
with me They know what I bring up when I talk
34:09
about Babe Ruth Takab, guys like that. Yes. I
34:14
don't put you in the goat conversation unless.
34:17
Can I say it? Can I say it? You can say it. Because
34:20
you didn't play against black people. Yeah. You
34:23
didn't play against the Dominicans. Hispanic.
34:25
Like, you have to play against everybody. You
34:28
can't, you know, you know, yeah, you have to
34:31
play after integration. So, Bebrew, sorry. Your
34:37
crackerjack ballparks you will not get on my
34:40
goat list I Don't care how great and mythical
34:44
you are So I look at the numbers and you got
34:48
guys like Pete Rose all -time hit leader Outside
34:51
the gambling again, Charlie Hussle, right? I
34:54
mean he did everything played every all kinds
34:56
of positions Your every your every man's man
35:01
baseball player, right? You got Hank Aaron Was
35:04
the home run king but put up he's right up there
35:09
and hits as well with Pete Rose Pretty good fielder
35:15
all -around player. He had that longevity, right?
35:18
He played for a really long time to Got the you
35:22
know champion MVP those things coming to play
35:25
Willie Mays Unbelievable fielder again got the
35:27
home runs got the hits got the fielding I look
35:31
at all of this stuff. Mickey Mano, they, you
35:34
know, considered the greatest switch hitter ever.
35:36
Didn't have the numbers because of injuries and
35:39
things like that, but had the homers. All -time
35:44
Yankee. Then you got like Ken Griffey Jr. His
35:49
numbers are slightly down because of injuries,
35:52
right? But still, MVP, home run hitter, unbelievable
35:55
fielder, sweetest swing ever in baseball. Hold
35:59
on. Wait a minute. Whoa. Hold on. Yeah. Record
36:02
scratch. I'm not going to sit here and let you
36:05
name 18 baseball players. I'm just naming them.
36:08
And then I'm going to get to the guy. I need
36:11
you to pick one. I got you. I'm just bringing
36:13
up everybody in the conversation. Albert Pujols
36:16
is in the conversation. A -Rod is. But again,
36:22
A -Rod hurt himself by getting busted. Ew. If
36:27
you look at everything A -Rod, number -wise,
36:29
historic -wise, he was an unbelievable talent
36:33
as soon as he walked onto a field. But then when
36:37
you get caught after the fact, that's the problem.
36:41
So I don't know, we don't know when his usage
36:44
started and ended. My goat is Barry Bonds. And
36:49
that's because if you take, I've taken the numbers
36:53
after, the alleged steroid use. And if you just
37:00
take the averages that he had before that with
37:03
his career, kind of like, due to math, he's still
37:08
a Hall of Famer. He's still got the MVPs. He's
37:11
still got the All -Stars. He's still got the
37:13
gold gloves. Maybe not as many. Maybe not as
37:17
many walks. Definitely not as many home runs.
37:21
But if you take the average out the numbers man,
37:24
he was already a Hall of Famer I think he was
37:27
the most complete player that ever stepped on
37:31
a baseball field and That is at this moment.
37:35
Obviously You could say Shohei Otani. He pitches
37:38
he hits he doesn't play the field though. So
37:41
Okay I mean, that's not a bad pit a bad pick.
37:47
I I mean my pick is pretty Straightforward. It's
37:53
you know, it's it's it's easy for me and I'm
37:57
gonna pick a gentleman who played baseball from
38:00
1948 to 1973 Who started his career in the Negro
38:07
Leagues, I'm gonna go with mr. Willie Mays Yeah,
38:10
not a bad not not a bad pick at all. He I mean
38:13
his his stats are what they are, you know, six
38:16
hundred to sixty home runs but to play professional
38:21
baseball, you know, starting in the Negro leagues
38:25
and to have a career that spans that long over
38:30
that many eras throughout the civil rights era,
38:34
you know, into the early seventies and the the
38:41
impact that he had on the game as a player. And
38:43
that's the thing. Like he was such a he was such
38:45
an impactful player. I have no idea what his
38:48
voice sounds like. Like there's just not I haven't
38:52
seen just a lot of footage and interviews Later
38:54
in his life I have but I mean, it's just it's
38:57
different But I mean just kind of him as a player
38:58
and there's a lot of reasons for that But but
39:01
but who he is as a baseball player like if you
39:03
when you say his name, it's instantly respected
39:06
No asterisks whatsoever No caveats whatsoever
39:11
you know you mentioned you don't be group in
39:13
you know uh... you don't have to have been you
39:16
know every week ago you know uh... you know uh...
39:19
luke garrick mickey manel you know barry bonds
39:21
you know steroids use like you you could go through
39:24
all these different names but you know a similar
39:27
to what you said earlier about uh... barry sanders
39:32
like no one's gonna have uh... you know uh...
39:35
bad word to say about you know Willie Mays so
39:38
never heard you know never heard a bad word never
39:40
heard a bad word and you know so for me it's
39:43
it's just a very simple easy pick as we know
39:45
you were at a bigger MLB fan than I am yes but
39:49
but I think that pick is you know beyond respectable
39:53
I think if you pull any list of top baseball
39:55
players of all time he's certainly in a top five
39:58
on every single list ever made I was about to
40:00
say, he's top five. So if you've got him at one
40:03
or five or in the middle, it's okay. Because
40:07
like you talked about, the air he played in,
40:10
the same for Hank Aaron. If you said Hank Aaron,
40:14
the only difference is Mays was a better fielder.
40:17
So Hank Aaron went through the same stuff, getting
40:20
into the league, playing in... having to deal
40:24
with what they dealt with during that time period
40:27
and still to become the players they were become,
40:30
it showed how great they were as a player and
40:33
a person to do that. So yeah, I think like you
40:37
said, he's a top five. And if he's your number
40:40
one, that's a great pick. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I
40:43
got a role with Willie Mays. Let's transition
40:52
to okay. So we went from NFL which I know very
40:54
well to MOB, which I know a little less about
40:57
to To wrestling professional wrestling, which
41:00
is something I don't know much about at all.
41:03
So I'll let you lead the way on this. You can't
41:07
name 87 damn names, okay? I'm not getting any
41:12
seven names. I told you when we did this I said
41:15
hey just tell me, you know, we're gonna do WWE
41:17
only I just wanna get it out there who I have.
41:22
Again, this is that obligatory Mount Rushmore.
41:24
We're not gonna do a lot of Mount Rushmores because
41:26
everybody does it, but I wanted to get the WWE
41:29
out because that's always a conversation. Who's
41:32
on the mountain? Who's on the mountain? Well,
41:33
no, no, no. See, and I think this is where things
41:36
get twisted because you're saying WWE. Yes. I
41:40
don't know the difference between WWE and other
41:42
wrestling leagues. So what I'm saying is just,
41:44
so make it all of wrestling. I will not make
41:47
it all wrestling because I am that guy and there's
41:50
gonna be wrestling fans, they get mad about it.
41:52
You're a wrestling snob. I am a snob because
41:55
they will, oh, you gotta watch everything. No,
41:57
I don't. Like, I used to watch, you know, again,
42:01
there used to be WCW, then it got bought by WWE.
42:05
We got TNA still. We got AEW now. There's New
42:09
Japan. There's all kinds of wrestling. I'm just
42:12
sticking to the number one. The number one is
42:15
WWE, so I just wanna get my Mount Rushmore out
42:19
there, get it on record. And I'm gonna tell you
42:23
why these four guys are on the Mount Rushmore,
42:25
and there's a couple knocking on the door. First,
42:30
Hulk Hogan. Again, what he did for wrestling,
42:35
the craze that was Hulkamania, coming from the
42:39
movies and Rocky into the WWF at the time. WrestleMania,
42:45
he helped grow the sport. He is the reason why
42:48
the sport is what it is today. Then he was in
42:51
movies, TV shows, everything Hulk Hogan was.
42:55
And then not only was he that in the WWF, WWE
42:58
at the time, then he went to WCW and did it again,
43:03
this time as a heel as Hollywood Hulk Hogan.
43:06
So I know I jumped to WCW, but all that and what
43:10
he was. makes him the goat, the fandom, all that
43:15
matters, right? Hogan didn't have a bunch of
43:17
wrestling moves, and people still loved him.
43:20
They just loved his charisma, his personality,
43:24
the persona, everything Hulk Hogan, Hulkamania,
43:27
and when you're like that in the business of
43:30
wrestling, they're like, yeah, we're putting
43:31
the title on you. Beyond all the stories about
43:34
Hulk Hogan, behind the scenes stuff, all that
43:37
didn't matter. As a performer, as a wrestler,
43:40
he is on that list as the WWE, one of the goats.
43:43
The other one is the same reason. You have to
43:47
be a part of the run, a part of the craze, a
43:51
part of the fandom. Stone Cold Steve Austin.
43:54
Got it, yeah. Started as a heel, turned into
43:58
kind of like a heel slash baby face. Austin 316
44:02
took off like nothing else. His fandom, he had
44:05
a shorter span. Of career as Stone Cold Steve
44:09
Austin, but the the he was the guy, right? He
44:13
was 1a because 1a 1b I'll talk about that here
44:17
so shortly Stone Cold again the fandom the popularity
44:21
the merch Everything that came with it even rest,
44:25
you know again same with Hogan Even if you didn't
44:27
watch wrestling you knew who Hogan was you know
44:29
who Stone Cold Steve Austin was? And you still
44:32
do know who he is That 1a 1b that time period
44:35
the Rock, right? There was nobody. Rock and Stone
44:40
Cold were right there. And again, it's, again,
44:43
the fans, number one guy, top draw. Then he becomes
44:47
a movie star. He can come back any time he wants.
44:50
And I bet you he gets cheered louder than anybody
44:52
else on that roster to this day. He's just got
44:57
it. He was born for it. It's in his blood. It's
44:58
in his family. And again, the merchandise. The
45:02
catchphrases, same with Stone Cold, catchphrases,
45:05
Hogan, catchphrases, merchandise, all that matters
45:09
when you're talking about being the number one
45:11
guy. Rock also able to go heel, face it, baby
45:16
face any time, and you still love him no matter
45:18
what he does. He's just, again, one of a kind
45:21
of performer on the mic in the ring. And then
45:25
lastly is John Cena. OK. Now, Cena had to grow
45:32
on me as a wrestling fan, but then again, the
45:37
longevity of it, the fandom, again, the popularity.
45:43
I mentioned that in the villains one. I mentioned
45:46
John Cena because he got that Jordan -type treatment
45:50
a little bit, right? I mean, he's the guy. They
45:53
push him, push him, push him, push him, and you
45:55
kind of get sick of it. But you have to respect
45:57
him. He carried the company just like those other
46:00
three guys carried the company into a new era,
46:03
whether it was into popularity or out of a rut.
46:08
They've all done it. Those four guys did it.
46:13
And merchandise, championships, all that stuff
46:16
included. There was no one like those four. There's
46:20
one guy that's knocking on that door and he's
46:23
probably Maybe he's got five years depending
46:26
on how you know, we don't know yet. Okay. Can
46:28
I guess can I guess? And keep in mind, I don't
46:31
know shit about wrestling. So I'm just gonna
46:33
make a guess. Yeah, go for it. Are you gonna
46:35
say Roman Reigns? Roman Reigns is knocking on
46:39
the door. And again, we could talk about wrestlers
46:42
all day long and I'm just giving you my recipe
46:46
or my criteria for what I believe makes them
46:50
the GOAT on Mount Rushmore. So I'm going to say
46:52
this, and this is just going to be, and I'm being
46:55
completely honest. I'm not even trying to be
46:57
funny when I say this. I know that every other
47:00
name that you mentioned, I know. Like I know
47:03
them. I've seen something that they've done.
47:06
I've seen a movie that they've been in. I've
47:07
seen a commercial that they star in. You don't
47:11
watch wrestling? No, I don't. I don't. But I
47:16
feel, and maybe it will take time. Maybe it will
47:18
take five more years. No bullshit. I have no
47:21
idea what Roman Reigns looks like. None. I just
47:24
don't. I just don't. And that's not a sign of
47:27
disrespect. Those other guys have tenure and
47:29
history and decades of work where anything that
47:33
they've done from movies to being the wrestling
47:37
heel has crossed my path. Roman Reigns, I do
47:39
know his name. No idea what that dude looks like.
47:43
I'ma Google it right now. Yeah, so Quico Roman
47:45
Reigns, he came up when he got on the main roster
47:48
through a group called The Shield. They were
47:51
popular, and then like all groups and... I know
47:54
this dude! Okay, no, I seen him before. Okay,
47:57
I ain't know that was him. So all groups and
48:00
factions, they eventually go and they get their
48:02
singles career. And his kind of started rough
48:04
because he was shoved down people's throats.
48:06
It wasn't until he turned heel and became what
48:09
they call the tribal chief. Then he became actually
48:12
more popular as a heel He became better wrestler
48:16
better on the mic everything better and he carried
48:18
the company out of kovat For the last so many
48:22
years until it was time to hand it over to Cody
48:24
Rhodes But again to this day he is box office
48:28
He doesn't he's not he is full -time, but he's
48:32
not on every week. He's not on every show So
48:36
when Roman Reigns shows up, it's a big deal But
48:39
he's right up there, man. He's knocking on the
48:41
door. So that's my WWE. That's my nerd take for
48:47
the day. So yeah, I wanted to get my Mount Rushmore
48:51
out there, man. Yeah. Like I said, the Roman
48:53
Reigns, I know his face. And I get it. I mean,
48:58
when I see it, it's like, oh, OK, yeah, I've
48:59
seen this guy and stuff. But I didn't make a
49:02
connection between the two. But the other guys
49:04
that you put on there, yeah, they're on the list
49:07
for sure. Yeah, all of those guys. I mean, come
49:10
on, man. Like, Hulk Hogan was in a Rocky movie.
49:12
That's all it takes. Let's kind of round out
49:20
the GOAT conversations. Yep. And this is a little
49:23
more all -encompassing. So we've got one final
49:29
GOAT list or one final GOAT category. And that's
49:33
GOAT for all -time athlete. So the all -time
49:37
Goat. So this covers any sport. This covers any
49:43
era. And I'm going to be a little controversial
49:50
with it, because I actually have two picks. When
49:52
I say both of them, I think you'll understand
49:54
why. OK. So I am going to defer to you and let
49:59
you go ahead and get yours off for all -time
50:02
goat athlete. OK. So with this one, it was the
50:05
mindset of, You had to be a great player not
50:09
necessarily the greatest player in your sport
50:11
But mine it I was just talking about athlete
50:15
right physical everything that you think this
50:19
guy could do anything and If you if you remember
50:24
the the commercials dude had a Nike deal he had
50:27
a slogan He played multiple sports and then after
50:32
sports then he took up What do you call it? Archery?
50:37
Is that what it's called? Yes, it's called archery.
50:41
Like you're shooting bow and arrows? Yes. Bow
50:44
Jackson. OK. Injuries derailed his career, but
50:48
that man was the greatest athlete I've ever seen
50:50
play any kind of professional sport. He was built
50:52
like a god. You know what I mean? In college,
50:57
he was a monster. Professional, he was a monster.
51:00
You had the bow nose commercial and the slogan.
51:04
had his own shoe, you know, that was of course,
51:08
you could thank Jordan for that probably, but
51:10
still, Bo Jackson again though, overall though,
51:14
was the greatest athlete I've ever seen step
51:17
foot on a field, a baseball field, football field.
51:21
He was one of a kind. And again, at the time,
51:25
I mean, I think he put fear in people too, man.
51:28
I mean, like I said, he was just built like no
51:30
other. unfortunately the hip injury and you know
51:33
nowadays he probably would have bounced back
51:36
like nothing and played again but that's my guy
51:39
Bo Jackson okay I I have two picks and again
51:45
this is gonna make sense when I when I dive into
51:47
it so I'm gonna go with with the most the more
51:51
controversial pick just kind of out of the box
51:54
just to get it out of the way I hate this because
51:58
I should just have one, but I gotta go two. My
52:02
first pick is gonna be Serena Williams. Now,
52:09
the only reason I say that is because if we're
52:11
gonna go with most athletic, goat athlete, chances
52:15
are it's gonna be a dude. It's gonna be a male.
52:17
And I feel like Serena needs that respect as...
52:22
as I deem the greatest female athlete I've ever
52:25
seen with my eyes. Yeah. She dominated her competition
52:28
year in, year out, you know, left tennis, had
52:32
a baby, came back, still continue to dominate,
52:35
you know, up into her late thirties, late thirties,
52:38
you know, and, and, and, um, and this isn't a
52:42
shot at her. This is no disrespect whatsoever.
52:44
She even at with what I would deem a more significant
52:50
weight gain than her contemporaries, than the
52:53
competition that she was playing against, even
52:56
at her weight and size, still was dominating.
52:59
So, I think that lends to, like you said, in
53:02
terms of the athleticism. I mean, you tell me
53:05
what's more impressive than someone who isn't
53:08
in pristine physical shape, still out there dominating
53:12
the best people for years, and they know when
53:17
they step on... um the uh the tennis courts with
53:20
her that that they have a very slim chance if
53:23
no chance whatsoever so i'm just want to give
53:25
her her respect i like that's not pandering to
53:28
women whatsoever but i but i absolutely have
53:30
to include her in it no that's a really good
53:32
one um when it comes to uh i guess i'll do the
53:36
male athlete it's easy for me and we know that
53:41
this person was great throughout their entire
53:43
career um long career And I think the thing that
53:49
was most telling for me that kind of solidified
53:52
it for me was there was a pivotal moment in this
53:56
athlete's career where there was a competition
54:00
where they were absolutely getting destroyed,
54:05
literally getting destroyed. Not only did they
54:10
triumph over getting destroyed, them getting
54:13
destroyed was actually part of the strategy of
54:16
them winning. I'm going with Mr. Muhammad Ali,
54:20
and I'm specifically referencing Rumble in the
54:22
Jungle, where the plan going in was to let Foreman
54:26
beat his ass for as many rounds as he could take
54:29
it, to literally exhaust and tire himself out,
54:33
and then have the speed, skill, strength, and
54:36
athleticism. And listen, I know a lot of people,
54:41
especially if you're younger, you're thinking
54:42
George Foreman, you think about the grills, you
54:44
think about the over -rate dudes selling stuff
54:46
on TV. No, no, no, no, no. George Foreman was
54:48
an absolute monster. Had some of the biggest
54:51
hands you've ever seen on a boxer. Just a mountain
54:56
of a man, all muscle, cornbread fed dude. He
55:01
was an animal. And Muhammad Ali wore that ass
55:04
whooping the entire fight. Then when it came
55:07
time to put form it away after letting him tire
55:09
himself out by just taking the punishment You've
55:13
never seen anything like that in sports, and
55:15
I don't think we'll ever see anything like that
55:17
ever again. It was such a it was a Masterful
55:22
performance by Muhammad Ali where you could say
55:26
He woke up that morning and saying how can I
55:29
beat this guy? What do I need to do to win and
55:33
he went out and did the craziest thing ever?
55:36
during the rumble in the jungle. So for me, and
55:40
you know, and look, we could go all day, the,
55:44
you know, all the, you know, his titles being
55:48
taken away, you know, being removed from boxing
55:50
for years, you know, all of the civil rights,
55:52
you know, the Vietnam War, all that other stuff.
55:55
I'm talking about him just as an athlete. That
55:56
stuff helps, but as an athlete, give me Muhammad
56:00
Ali. Got you. Not a bad pick at all. Can't go
56:05
wrong. I like them all. I like all those picks.
56:08
Yeah, man. No, that was a... Yeah, I had to.
56:12
I was sitting there and I was thinking about
56:13
it, man. Like, I gotta... Yeah, man, I gotta
56:16
take Ali. All right, we'll go to our fun, random
56:25
topic. And not... I guess it is kind of a goat
56:29
conversation, but it's kind of a different...
56:35
What sounds do goats make? They don't make the
56:37
same sounds as sheep, do they? I think they do.
56:45
You grew up with goats. What sounds do they make?
56:48
I mean, like, they bat, you know? They bat? Okay.
56:55
Yeah. I mean, I didn't know. My assumption was
56:59
that they make the same... Yeah, the same sounds
57:03
as a sheep. Yeah, you just gotta watch out for
57:05
them horns on them billy goats, man. Oh, yeah,
57:08
absolutely. Of course you do. OK, so you had
57:12
a fun random topic. Who is our favorite all -time
57:16
best left -handed athlete player? Oh, man. OK.
57:23
You can go first, because I don't know what you
57:24
got. Oh, damn it. Man, so this is kind of cheating.
57:32
And I hope I'm not taking any wind out of your
57:34
sails, because I hope I'm not going to say the
57:36
one that you were going to say. I'm not going
57:40
to say it. I'm not going to say the other one.
57:41
I'm just going to go with my pick, because I
57:43
think it's going to, not only is it going to
57:45
surprise you, I don't even know if you know that
57:47
this person is technically left handed. And the
57:50
reason this person is technically left handed
57:52
is because this person is ambidextrous. Oh, OK.
57:57
I'm going with LeBron. Wow. Now, I myself am
58:02
ambidextrous, so I'm partial to this. And when
58:06
you see the way - He don't shoot left -handed.
58:08
He does not shoot left -handed, but neither do
58:10
I. And I'm absolutely ambidextrous. I could throw
58:15
a football, baseball, basketball, as well with
58:18
my right hand as I can with my left hand, but
58:21
I'm right -hand dominant when it comes to that.
58:23
But my left -hand passes are sick. Wow. So it's
58:27
just I'm partial to that. And I think that's
58:31
something that kind of lends to how versatile,
58:34
you know, LeBron always was. He was always great
58:36
going left. And I don't think people kind of
58:37
gave him credit for that. You know, but but for
58:41
me, yeah, I mean, it's a little bit of cheating
58:42
because he's technically left and right handed.
58:45
But being ambidextrous means that you are indeed
58:48
left handed. So I'm a Kate LeBron. OK. I'm going
58:52
to go opposite because I had this I had one person
58:55
as the the MLB Goat and Barry Bonds, but I'm
58:59
not going to pick Barry Bonds. Okay. I'm going
59:01
to go with Ken Griffey Jr. Oh damn. That's a
59:05
good one. Oh, okay. As my, I guess my favorite
59:10
or the best left -handed cause I'm not going
59:12
to say the same as like the MLB Goat. Um, but
59:16
I think there was a lot of options here. I'm
59:17
going Griffey again, sweetest swing ever. Unbelievable
59:21
center fielder. Uh, I guess pop culture icon
59:25
as well, right? I mean he had everything backwards
59:28
hat. They still use that logo on clothing to
59:30
this day They have the whole thing with baseball
59:33
ism. You get your King Griffey Jr. Gear Had it
59:37
had a video game all that stuff There was you
59:42
know, not too many like them allegedly he did
59:45
it all clean How could you not like King Griffey
59:49
Jr? Other people though I thought about and I'm
59:53
not gonna name five hundred, you know, twenty
59:55
people run log off, but Yeah, but you know, I
1:00:00
thought about Michael Vick. I thought about Tim
1:00:03
Tebow Obviously bonds and you could go with Steve
1:00:09
Young and another good one that I never really
1:00:12
thought about was Jim Abbott and If you don't
1:00:15
know Jim Abbott go look them up He only had his
1:00:18
left hand and he was still able to pitch in the
1:00:21
major leagues for many years. That's an unbelievable
1:00:26
story as a left -handed athlete. He even hit.
1:00:30
So just throw that out there for you all who
1:00:34
wasn't in the 90s for Jim Abbott. So you're going
1:00:38
LeBron. I don't like your pick. I'm going King
1:00:41
Griffey Jr. Well, no, and now I feel like a jackass
1:00:47
because, I mean, I was gonna go and it's, you
1:00:51
know, I was gonna go with my favorite left -handed
1:00:54
player ever, left -handed athlete ever. I was
1:00:57
gonna go with Michael Vick. It was easy. I thought
1:01:01
that's what you were gonna say. I really wanted
1:01:03
to, man. Like, I mean, I lived in Georgia when
1:01:06
he was playing. You know, he was a, you know,
1:01:09
razzle dazzle with the Falcons. Unbelievable.
1:01:11
You know, obviously the dog fighting stuff derailed
1:01:13
things. And then he came back and played for
1:01:16
our Eagles. So it was an easy pick. But I mean,
1:01:20
LeBron, LeBron was just better as a pick. I just,
1:01:22
I just had to go with LeBron. Yeah. I just tried
1:01:25
to get one. You just try, you just tried to add
1:01:28
one more category for LeBron over Jordan. That's
1:01:31
all. No, I mean, listen, if Jordan was left handed,
1:01:33
he would have gotten a pick. But I mean, Jordan,
1:01:37
I mean, and listen, I'm pretty sure Jordan had
1:01:38
a left, but I mean - Jordan played, I think he
1:01:41
played quarters left -handed. Yeah. I know he
1:01:45
shot some free throws left -handed. Yeah. I've
1:01:47
seen that. Yeah. I know he switched hands midair.
1:01:51
That's all I know. He did that. Yeah, he did.
1:01:55
That's good stuff though. Yeah. All right. So
1:01:58
that's all. That's all the Goat Talk for today.
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