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SMNTY Classics: Men Like Beer, Women Like Wine? · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Andie and Samantha. I'm welcome to stuff
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Speaker 1: Happy New Year's Yes, if you're listening to this when
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Speaker 1: But as it as its debuts it is New Year's Day.
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Speaker 1: We're running some classics because we're hoping to take some
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Speaker 1: some time off, I know, but we'll be back. We've
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Speaker 1: already got a lot of stuff planned that we're excited about.
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Speaker 1: And recently we did something that we were both very
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Speaker 1: excited about, and that was we got to talk to
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Speaker 1: you Jen Blair about women in the brewing industry and
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Speaker 1: all of the issues they're in. But as part of that,
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Speaker 1: we mentioned an episode that we did a while back
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Speaker 1: about kind of these gendered stereotypes around alcohol choices and
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Speaker 1: specifically men liking beer, women liking wine, or men kind
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Speaker 1: of liking darker, stronger or what are perceived or stronger
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Speaker 1: drinks and women liking, you know, lighter things are wine
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Speaker 1: are quote girly drinks, fruity girly drinks, which I think
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Speaker 1: that that exists at all says quite a bit exactly
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Speaker 1: big exactly, So on this New Year's Day or whenever
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Speaker 1: you happen to be listening to it. We hope that
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Speaker 1: you are well, whatever the case, and we hope that
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Speaker 1: you enjoyed this classic episode. Hey, this is Annie and
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Speaker 1: this is Samantha, and welcome to Stuff. I never told
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Speaker 1: to your prediction of I Heart Radios how stuff works.
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Speaker 1: In our last episode, UM, we talked about the gendering
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Speaker 1: of food most mostly men and meat in order that whole,
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Speaker 1: not that specifically many. UM. I have heard that in
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Speaker 1: advertising language, so I thought of that later. UM. And
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Speaker 1: today we're talking about the gendering of alcohols UM. So
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Speaker 1: before we start, UM, drink responsibly. If alcohol is a
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Speaker 1: trigger for you, it would probably be a good idea
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Speaker 1: to not listen to this one. UM. And we're going
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Speaker 1: to briefly, very briefly. UM just mentioned things like a
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Speaker 1: sexual assault and violence, domestic violence. So UM if that
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Speaker 1: is a trick for you as well, UM, just letting
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Speaker 1: you know, right stop right it stop right a start,
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Speaker 1: that's where we are or that stops. Today has been
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Speaker 1: a really goofy day. I am not sure what's going on.
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Speaker 1: And we have not at any alcohol up over here.
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Speaker 1: It's water, okay, okay, okay, trying to stay hydrated. Yes, okay,
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Speaker 1: So I think a popular way of thinking about it
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Speaker 1: when we're talking about the gendering alcohol is beers for men,
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Speaker 1: wine is for women, or I usually hear like darker things,
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Speaker 1: darker alcohols men, lighter alcohols women. Um, you know, it'll
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Speaker 1: put hair on your chest. That's what they say. They
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Speaker 1: say that about everything. Spicy foods puts hair on your chest.
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Speaker 1: Did they say that about spicy fan? I feel like
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Speaker 1: I've heard that. I like how you immediately backchecked. I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna say, yes, okay, Um, so doing something that burns,
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Speaker 1: I guess yes, I think that burns, which is thought too.
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Speaker 1: It's believed that darker alcohols have more of a burn,
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Speaker 1: and sometimes they do, but not always, not always. Um.
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Speaker 1: And we have done past episodes looking at history of beer,
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Speaker 1: um and whiskey when it comes to this whole thing specifically,
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Speaker 1: if you want to check those out. And I know
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Speaker 1: that I've talked about on this show that the fairly
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Speaker 1: common gross response that I get from men when I
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Speaker 1: order whiskey, UM, that that it implies I'm as slutty?
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Speaker 1: Are I'm ready have sex with sex with you? I
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Speaker 1: don't know like whiskey. Yeah, oh yeah, about whiskey. Oh yeah. Um.
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Speaker 1: I think that we're going to talk about that a
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Speaker 1: little bit later. But the ads for whiskey are very
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Speaker 1: that's for all alcohols, very sexual. Obviously, Yes, I think
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Speaker 1: when it comes to whisky, I was think of more
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Speaker 1: like grungier type of things. So for even women like
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking of people who, for some reason I have
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Speaker 1: been in my head a woman who may have just
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Speaker 1: had been one of the boys, essentially kimmen and having
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Speaker 1: a whiskey tek with them, obviously being one of the guys,
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Speaker 1: not so much to be slutty. Well, it's interesting you
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Speaker 1: say that because that is a very commonly held belief.
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Speaker 1: I've found so many articles. I did not realize how
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Speaker 1: much your drink choice apparently says about you according to
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Speaker 1: the Internet. I mean, that's like a BuzzFeed quiz in itself,
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Speaker 1: what does about you? Um. There's an infamous article that
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Speaker 1: I'm going to quote a little bit later that breaks
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Speaker 1: down the difference between women who drink vodka and women
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Speaker 1: who drink whiskey. And one of the things is if
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Speaker 1: she drinks whiskey, she can hang with the guys. Um.
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Speaker 1: And it's written in a way that I can tell
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Speaker 1: the author thinks he's being complimentary of both women, but
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Speaker 1: it's like clearly not exactly in my opinion. Um, and
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Speaker 1: we've all seen the joke in our media of a
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Speaker 1: girly or weak drink, and like, um, the fact that
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Speaker 1: girly drink even exists as a term, right, that says
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Speaker 1: a lot right there. Um And when dude orders of
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Speaker 1: fruity drink or a girly drink, I always think of scrubs.
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Speaker 1: Um when j d orders an apple teenie, please easy
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Speaker 1: on the tea, right, and I think of, um the
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Speaker 1: New Girls episode where Winston because he gets the girly
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Speaker 1: fruity mixes that Nick makes mainly for girls, and he goes,
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Speaker 1: was like, that makes a naughty look at me being naughty.
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Speaker 1: It's so interesting to be that this exists. I mean, oh,
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Speaker 1: I will say, my family, this is reverse. This is
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Speaker 1: like completely reversed. The men in my family do not
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Speaker 1: drink barely any and when they do, they drink quote
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Speaker 1: girly drink sweeter things. That's my friend group too. Most
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Speaker 1: of my friends are the opposite the girls like the
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Speaker 1: whiskey and the dark beers and the guys like things
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Speaker 1: vodka ish. I love gent too, but stuff like that,
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Speaker 1: Alana lines, Yeah, yeah, And I think in my case,
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Speaker 1: like my mom's side of the family, they're they're drinkers, um,
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Speaker 1: and so it's not really I haven't encountered too much
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Speaker 1: of this until I like went out started going out
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Speaker 1: on my own, and then people are like, what are
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Speaker 1: you doing ordering that? We You can't handle that, little lady.
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Speaker 1: You would never called you a little later, somebody you
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Speaker 1: want to punch me? Why do people keep thinking that
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Speaker 1: they can call you random things like that? Oh my gosh, Um,
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Speaker 1: I give this all the time. And then I recently
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Speaker 1: was buying a bottle of rose and a dude near
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Speaker 1: me um called me princess said to his dude friend, Lily,
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Speaker 1: she's buying it because she's pretty, like he was talking
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Speaker 1: about me in third person. He addressed me and then
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Speaker 1: did this in third person, like, well, clearly he doesn't
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Speaker 1: view me as a human being, right, Okay, So like
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Speaker 1: that is such a weird concept. I will say I
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Speaker 1: don't love rose myself, just because I don't like the
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Speaker 1: taste per se, but it definitely was my beginner drink.
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Speaker 1: That's that's really interesting. Because Rose to me, I didn't
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Speaker 1: even try it until a couple of years ago when
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Speaker 1: it took off. Now it's big, like Rose has kind
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Speaker 1: of gotten his niche. But yeah, that was my beginner drink. Wow. Really,
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Speaker 1: you know, we just did an episode on Rose over
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Speaker 1: on my other show Save And one of the big
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Speaker 1: reasons side note people think it took off is because
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Speaker 1: it is millennial pink, and that color took off and
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Speaker 1: people just like taking pictures with the color. Oh is
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Speaker 1: it an instagram worthy? It's apparently it is very instagram able. Interesting.
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Speaker 1: I just remember thinking I didn't like chardonnay because that's
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Speaker 1: too abrupt and dry from me, so that's not something
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Speaker 1: I would ever drink. I don't like Chardonnay's. But then
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Speaker 1: to start off going deep red was too much. So
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Speaker 1: someone just handed me a light pink drink. I was like, oh, look,
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Speaker 1: it's in the middle. Yes, but that's my thought. Okay, Well,
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Speaker 1: you're learning a lot about our drinking preferences. So if
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Speaker 1: you want to send me something don't do Rose. I'll
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Speaker 1: take it. I'll take it. So let's start with some
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Speaker 1: brief history here the alcohol industry and women for a
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Speaker 1: long time until our like more recent history, have not
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Speaker 1: gotten along and I mean you can argue even now,
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Speaker 1: don't um. The industry funneled a lot of money to
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Speaker 1: Paul petiticians who promised to prevent women's suffrage, probably because
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Speaker 1: women have been big proponents of the temperance movement and prohibition.
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Speaker 1: Throughout history, women drinking in public has been frowned upon
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Speaker 1: and judged as lewd or crass, too manly. And this
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Speaker 1: is again sort of more recent history, because in ancient
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Speaker 1: times it wasn't necessarily that right, but like you know,
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Speaker 1: it got a flip and became unladylike do such things
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Speaker 1: it did. Who knows what you'll say a curse word
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Speaker 1: in public? What me? Never? No? Never? Uh. And now
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Speaker 1: that women are allowed to drink in public relatively free
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Speaker 1: from scorn, or at least compared to this, because we're
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Speaker 1: gonna get into that more later, you're not necessarily free
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Speaker 1: from scoring, the industry has changed its tune, especially since
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Speaker 1: the rate of women drinking has consistently been going up
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Speaker 1: as compared to men were to sort of plateau to
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Speaker 1: stayed the same. In the fifteen percent of whiskey drinkers
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Speaker 1: were women. Nowadays that's closer to thirty seven percent gendered
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Speaker 1: mark and products around alcohol is all kinds of messed up. Um.
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Speaker 1: There are tampon flasks, uh, the wine rack, which is
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Speaker 1: a brawl that you can fill with mine. Right. I
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Speaker 1: feel like a lot of this is basically though, because
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Speaker 1: people think that men are afraid of things like tampons,
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Speaker 1: but this one thing you won't check. It's true. That's
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Speaker 1: what it said when I was reading, like because at
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Speaker 1: first I thought, is this like something you? So I
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Speaker 1: wanted to read the product description and uh uh no, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's because people are afraid of checking tampons, which hilarious, yes,
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Speaker 1: hilarious and sad. The alcohol industry is pretty notorious for
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Speaker 1: gendered marketing. Experts have compared it to how we gender
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Speaker 1: toys when it comes to alcohol. Most of these follow
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Speaker 1: the traditional stereotypes that men are aggressive, isn't tough, and
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Speaker 1: women need to be concerned about their weight and their
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Speaker 1: beauty right, Um, and this has negative side effects on
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Speaker 1: so many levels. But in terms of weight and drinking,
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Speaker 1: this pressure can lead to unhealthy behaviors like drunk rexia.
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Speaker 1: We've talked about that before, um and bene drinking right,
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Speaker 1: and with the drunk rexia and whole gender idea, because
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Speaker 1: that's what you were talking about, the tampon thing. It's
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Speaker 1: true people did soak um alcohol on the tampon and
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Speaker 1: get extreme drunk without all the calories. That was part
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Speaker 1: of that. So yeah, you're right, there's a lot of
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Speaker 1: weird concepts, dangerous and unhealthy. Interestingly, a lot of brands
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Speaker 1: have leaned harder into masculine marketing even though more women
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Speaker 1: are drinking, and this is because again, masculine equals better
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Speaker 1: in our society. Women can quote drink with the men um,
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Speaker 1: but men do not want to be caught drinking what
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Speaker 1: women drink. And this is all generalizations because I definitely
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Speaker 1: have some male friends in my life that do not
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Speaker 1: care right order whatever they want and I love it.
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Speaker 1: Get that girly drink. There's no such thing. There is
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Speaker 1: no such thing. There's drinks that you like that tastes
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Speaker 1: differently two different people exactly from a n studies so
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Speaker 1: a little dated, but I thought interesting called Gender Expectations
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Speaker 1: for alcohol use a study of the significance of the
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Speaker 1: masculine role. Sex differences and drinking behavior appear related to
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Speaker 1: two variables. One sex differences in the purpose and meaning
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Speaker 1: of drinking, and two differences in attitudes regarding the acceptability
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Speaker 1: of drinking and drunkenness among women and men. Regarding the
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Speaker 1: first variable, data on sex differences in where, when, and
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Speaker 1: how drinking occurs suggests that it has a different meaning
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Speaker 1: for the sexes. Women tend to drink wine, tend to
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Speaker 1: drink slowly, drink with family members or at parties, drink
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Speaker 1: on special occasions, drink on Saturdays, and drink to celebrate
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Speaker 1: events and dates. This style of drinking suggests that drinking
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Speaker 1: is a social ritual for women, serving to allow women
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Speaker 1: to celebrate and solidify their bonds with others and to
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Speaker 1: reinforce and maintain their social bonds. Men, on the other hand,
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Speaker 1: tend to drink with same sex friends or acquaintances, drinking bars,
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Speaker 1: in the company of strangers, drink irrespective of special occasions,
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Speaker 1: drink beer, and drink fast. In addition, men to drink
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Speaker 1: for the effect of drinking to get high or drunk,
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Speaker 1: and they're drinking is more likely than women's to be
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Speaker 1: associated with antisocial consequences. This style of drinking is also
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Speaker 1: seen as a social ritual, serving, in this case to
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Speaker 1: allow males to denigrate, deny our weakened bonds with others,
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Speaker 1: and to violate rules and rules occupied by others. Thus,
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Speaker 1: men's usual style drinking has been called quote individual egotistic.
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Speaker 1: This literature indicates that drinking for women seems symbolic of
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Speaker 1: attachments to others and appears to serve expressive communal purposes.
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Speaker 1: In contrast, drinking for men seems symbolic of detachment from
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Speaker 1: others and appears to serve instrumental agency purposes. Sex differences
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Speaker 1: and drinking behavior, then are partially a product of gendered
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Speaker 1: stereotyped differences in the meaning or purpose of drinking, and
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Speaker 1: that has been like, that's an older study, but that
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Speaker 1: has been born out in many more recent studies. UM
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Speaker 1: and I found. I did find several articles looking into
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Speaker 1: this whole thing in different countries, like in Nigeria or Estonia,
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Speaker 1: and in general, they seem to find that men saw
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Speaker 1: drinking and quote being able to hold your liquor as
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Speaker 1: a manly thing, and women seem to find drinking in
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Speaker 1: public not necessarily good for your reputation. There are also
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Speaker 1: country specific and race specific stereotypes when it comes to
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Speaker 1: drinking and tolerance. And I'm sure we've all heard some
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Speaker 1: of those um from the World Health Organization. Quote. First,
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Speaker 1: compared with women throughout the world, men are more likely
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Speaker 1: to drink, consume more alcohol, and cause more problems by
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Speaker 1: doing so. This gender gap is one of the few
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Speaker 1: universal gender differences in human social behavior. Right. I actually
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Speaker 1: was looking at the National Institute of Alcohol Abuse and
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Speaker 1: Alcoholism and I actually break it down ethnicity, including from
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Speaker 1: the Latina culture to African American to Asian Americans and
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Speaker 1: going down to the differences and even the health effects
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Speaker 1: you and I were talking about earlier, the Asian flush
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Speaker 1: as I have called it, and it talks about the
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Speaker 1: twenty of Asians who suffer because of that specific type
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Speaker 1: of gene that causes you to flush and not be
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Speaker 1: able to process the alcohol, which apparently has different causes
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Speaker 1: like whether you drink too fast, drink too slow, to
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Speaker 1: drinking all these different things. Um. But it is interesting
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Speaker 1: to see the cultural practices in each one is pretty
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Speaker 1: similar as what was saying about what's normal and what's
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Speaker 1: accepted and was not accepted, what's religious, what's not religious,
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Speaker 1: and it goes on different levels. Pretty fascinating to read
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Speaker 1: through all of that. Yeah, there is a lot of
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Speaker 1: data out there, A lot. I was kind of taken
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Speaker 1: aback and surprised by how much, which is a wonderful thing.
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Speaker 1: Or we can always use more, especially you know that's
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Speaker 1: more inclusive. But going back to that who report, well,
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Speaker 1: I guess w H O I always say who to
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Speaker 1: w H report goes into possible reasons why there is
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Speaker 1: this universal difference in drinking behavior, and the first reason
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Speaker 1: they listed is power. Drinking alcohol has historically been a
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Speaker 1: signifier of male power relative to women, and lack of
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Speaker 1: power a privilege often denied to women, particularly in public.
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Speaker 1: I do remember reading about um in the fifties American
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Speaker 1: housewives who would be in the kitchen they would sneak
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Speaker 1: shots of whatever while they were cooking or praying because
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Speaker 1: it wasn't lady to like to drink in public or
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Speaker 1: you know, in your own household in front of men um.
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Speaker 1: When it comes to health and metabolism, women typically are
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Speaker 1: believed to be more vulnerable to alcohol. They get drunk
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Speaker 1: er faster when consuming the same amount as a similarly
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Speaker 1: sized man. Women develop alcohol induced liver disease more quickly
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Speaker 1: than men, and possibly the same is true for alcohol
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Speaker 1: induced brain damage. Another interesting thing I found is that
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Speaker 1: alcohol interacts with your hormone levels, meaning that fluctuations and
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Speaker 1: your hormones might lead to a higher or lower relative
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Speaker 1: rate of intoxication. So the week before a woman starts
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Speaker 1: her period, she'll get more intoxicated and stay that way
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Speaker 1: for longer. Same thing with oral contracept of this. That
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Speaker 1: same report found that men who believed that alcohol would
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Speaker 1: lead to pleasurable outcomes drink more heavily, while women heavy
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Speaker 1: drinkers often did it to reduce stress. A handful of
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Speaker 1: studies have shown a strong relationship between drinking behavior and
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Speaker 1: women and sexual victimization or violence. Men are twice as
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Speaker 1: likely to develop alcoholism. Researchers think this might be because
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Speaker 1: given the same amount of alcohol, men experience more of
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Speaker 1: a dopamine release as compared to women. According to numbers
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Speaker 1: reported on by time, of beer drinkers are men, all
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Speaker 1: of wine drinkers are women. I believe this was from
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Speaker 1: so it was fairly recent. Um, and I when I
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Speaker 1: was thinking about this, I was wondering if it's it
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Speaker 1: goes back to the health thing that we kind of
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Speaker 1: talked about in our men like meet women like salad episode. Um,
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Speaker 1: because there was that study. Uh, and I'm not saying
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Speaker 1: it's true. I don't remember, but there was that study
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Speaker 1: that I like a glass of red wine. Yeah, uh,
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Speaker 1: it's antioxidants in it, um or are probably I have
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Speaker 1: friends who don't like drinking beer because they get bloated.
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Speaker 1: I don't like how they look when they drink it.
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Speaker 1: Um So, I'm not sure, but this brings us to
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Speaker 1: the relationship between men and beer in our culture, because
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Speaker 1: beer is the quintessential dudes drink according to our media
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Speaker 1: and general pop culture narrative. I do think that that
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Speaker 1: is changing. Um. Art could be that I just run
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Speaker 1: into a circle of beer drinkers. I'm not sure, but
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Speaker 1: I do hear a lot of women don't like beer.
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Speaker 1: It makes them bloated, or it's too bitter, it's too carbi.
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Speaker 1: I hear a lot of that stuff. I don't necessarily
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Speaker 1: see a lot of it. Um But the cool girl
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Speaker 1: she rears her head again from the article I referenced earlier.
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Speaker 1: It's a Thought Catalog article called seven reasons you need
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Speaker 1: to date a woman who likes beer. Oh never mind,
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Speaker 1: this is a different artle, but they're in the same
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Speaker 1: vein um quote. A true girl who is one of
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Speaker 1: the guys, Well, She's not afraid to look like a fool.
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Speaker 1: She laughs a lot, often at herself. She makes reckless decisions,
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Speaker 1: but owns up to the consequences. She purps, she shouts,
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Speaker 1: She tells you to off when you deserve it. She
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Speaker 1: likes sports. She likes video games and comic books. She's
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Speaker 1: a flip cup beer pong champion. She's not afraid to
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Speaker 1: have an imagination. She's not afraid to dream big and
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Speaker 1: fail often. She doesn't care what you think of her. Wait,
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Speaker 1: was this written by a woman? Round? Man? Yeah? Go golf?
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Speaker 1: How about that? Seriously? Yeah? And I'm not even drinking
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Speaker 1: a down beer? How about that yet? Really? Yes, that's
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Speaker 1: like the whole your everything. You're beautiful and you don't
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Speaker 1: even know it will come on. I like, she doesn't
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Speaker 1: care what you think of her, because but yet she's
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Speaker 1: doing this for you obviously, well in the vein of
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Speaker 1: this then yeah, oh my goodness, another reason. According to
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Speaker 1: this article quote, I'll just leave this little tidbit right
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Speaker 1: here for everyone. According to the dating website okay Cupid,
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Speaker 1: the single most accurate indication of whether or not a
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Speaker 1: woman will have sex with a man on a first
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Speaker 1: date is directly correlated to how they answer this question
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Speaker 1: do you like the taste of beer? In fact, just
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Speaker 1: under seventy of women who answer that question yes are
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Speaker 1: ready to throw down in the bedroom. Okay, how did
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Speaker 1: they even get that statistic? I don't know where did
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Speaker 1: they find the statistic. They do a lot of data collection.
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Speaker 1: I get the like, come on, well, I agree, And
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Speaker 1: that's why I included that quote because it blew my mind.
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Speaker 1: And then this is the one I referenced earlier from
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Speaker 1: Elite Daily. Vodka drinkers are girly girls, whiskey drinkers before
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Speaker 1: the company of Mint. I mean that basically, most drinks
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Speaker 1: we like is one citrus, one part citrus, like sweetener
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Speaker 1: right even low right now, like beer even is a
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Speaker 1: sour phenomenon happening, not happening, has happened, and it has
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Speaker 1: been big in the last few years. That's very much
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Speaker 1: fruity beers essentially. What yeah, um there is Ron Swanson
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Speaker 1: comes up again. This is so funny because he came
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Speaker 1: up in our previous episode. But he has a quote
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Speaker 1: clear liquors for which women on diets. Uh, And I
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Speaker 1: will say, like Ron Swanson is the epitome of he
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Speaker 1: is like the manly right, so that I think that
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Speaker 1: that's why he keeps yeah, um, shot of whiskey and
21:32
Speaker 1: a shot of vodka. Just if why I have the
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Speaker 1: same calorie count? Um, I would assume this has more
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Speaker 1: to do with the fact that vodka is usually a
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Speaker 1: mixer for girly sweet drinks. But again it shoot. Sometimes
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Speaker 1: I like whiskey and coke. That's a common yeah drink.
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Speaker 1: I don't understand. I always remember, um that scene from
21:51
Speaker 1: The Departed when Leonardo DiCaprio's character orders the vodka cranberry
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Speaker 1: and the bartender was like, what are you on your period? Um,
21:59
Speaker 1: which is both the vodka and cranberry stereotype coming together.
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Speaker 1: Terminology we use like strong versus weak drinks, implying that
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Speaker 1: drinks with more alcohol are for the strong. And yes,
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Speaker 1: I get the idea of it being stronger in the
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Speaker 1: sense of there's more alcohol in it, but there's still
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Speaker 1: that implication that by drinking it, you yourself are stronger.
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Speaker 1: You can hold your alcohol, you can handle the burn, right,
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Speaker 1: Holding your alcohol is a sign of strength, which is
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Speaker 1: super weird too. It is because essentially, I mean, I
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Speaker 1: feel like the sign of strength is to recognize your
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Speaker 1: body is saying, you know what, no more, I gotta
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Speaker 1: stop out. I'm good, Let's drink some water now. UM.
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Speaker 1: One study out of the University of South Florida found
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Speaker 1: that for some men, drinking beer is a public display
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Speaker 1: of masculinity and heterosexuality. Of course, many people who drink
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Speaker 1: beer also like the taste, but that I found that
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Speaker 1: very interesting finding. UM. I've also heard tales from my
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Speaker 1: male friends about being judged for not liking beer or
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Speaker 1: otherwise preferring girly drinks, kind of like you're ordering a
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Speaker 1: girly drink. I do. I work out a brewery and
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Speaker 1: I do have oftentimes the boyfriend coming to tell me
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Speaker 1: how their girlfriend does not like beer and just like,
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Speaker 1: can you can you recommend something? My girlfriend doesn't like beer?
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Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, that's fine. But then I have
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Speaker 1: just as many they're like, I don't like anything but
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Speaker 1: sweet drinks, essentially, is what they tell me, And I
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Speaker 1: kind of just look at them like, well, let me
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Speaker 1: help you out. But I feel like it's a pretty
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Speaker 1: even number. Yeah, or maybe just one's more willing to
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Speaker 1: admit if they don't like it, as others will drink
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Speaker 1: just to drink. Yeah, yeah, and I I went on,
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Speaker 1: I read this whole detive looking into and I didn't
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Speaker 1: include a lot of it here. Um, but why is
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Speaker 1: it true that women just don't like beer as much?
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Speaker 1: Like is there some kind of genetic taste thing going on?
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Speaker 1: Like they taste bitter more? But the article I couldn't
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Speaker 1: really prove anything except that beer used to be a
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Speaker 1: lot worse, like it was just bad beer, and so
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Speaker 1: some people um grew up with kind of just not
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Speaker 1: great tasting beer. Um. And that was where that that
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Speaker 1: article ended that perhaps a lot of women just haven't
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Speaker 1: tried anything beyond right. I think that's a lot of people.
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Speaker 1: They don't understand the craft of beer essentially anymore. And
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Speaker 1: because you had the one light beer or these two
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Speaker 1: things that are not the best, which I've always liked
24:30
Speaker 1: the taste of beer, But as you've become more and
24:32
Speaker 1: more familiar with the culture behind it, you are discovering
24:37
Speaker 1: new ways of having beer essentially, and it makes a
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Speaker 1: big difference. But a lot of people don't understand what
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Speaker 1: it is or the phenomenon behind it. Yeah, And and
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Speaker 1: to clarify that that article I was talking about was
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Speaker 1: very much in the U S. The U S didn't
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Speaker 1: have much of a crappier scene until semi recently. Right, um,
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Speaker 1: But also like, if you don't like beer, that's all good. Yeah,
24:58
Speaker 1: you don't like beer, you don't like exactly exactly. And
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Speaker 1: my family was kind of like, you're gonna like beer?
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Speaker 1: It was wait what? Well? I just remember thinking, and
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Speaker 1: I had this about a lot of foods, actually foods. Right,
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Speaker 1: if I didn't like something but I wanted to like it,
25:16
Speaker 1: I would keep trying until I found something that I like.
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Speaker 1: And a lot of my favorite foods now I did
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Speaker 1: not like until I just kept eating them, eating them,
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Speaker 1: and now I like them. So that's what they did
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Speaker 1: for you with beer. That's why I did to myself
25:27
Speaker 1: with that thought. You said your family, well, because everybody
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Speaker 1: in my mom's side family is a very big social thing. Okay, yeah,
25:33
Speaker 1: I was gonna say it was like my mom trying
25:34
Speaker 1: to make me like mayo. I still don't like it,
25:36
Speaker 1: but she would try to sneak it in my food. Oh,
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Speaker 1: I feel like you have to want it. And even then,
25:42
Speaker 1: again this is very specific to me. I've never if
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Speaker 1: someone tells me they don't like something, I believe you might.
25:48
Speaker 1: I accepted, yes, in general, then, drinking in public has
25:54
Speaker 1: long been more socially accepted, even at work until learn
25:58
Speaker 1: more recent times with things like this Martini lunch, which
26:00
Speaker 1: if you don't know about, there was all this like
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Speaker 1: politics involved around it in seventies. You should look it up.
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Speaker 1: Is fascinating. UM or mad men esque style drinking when
26:11
Speaker 1: it comes to the darker drinks for men, thing darker
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Speaker 1: drinks UM rightfully or not come with a perception of
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Speaker 1: being harder or stronger both, and this did used to
26:21
Speaker 1: be the case until the nineteenth century. Generally, darker liquors
26:25
Speaker 1: were bottled at a higher proof, and this had to
26:27
Speaker 1: do with aging, the aging process adding flavor, whereas all
26:30
Speaker 1: for a lot of clear liquors, if you age it,
26:32
Speaker 1: it won't necessarily add flavor. But that whole darker liquor
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Speaker 1: being stronger is not always the case these days. UM.
26:41
Speaker 1: Some studies looking into increased violence when drinking as partly
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Speaker 1: an observed behavior believed to be acceptable in this context
26:47
Speaker 1: among men. If you, if you witness it seems like
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Speaker 1: if you're drinking, I can behave in a certain way. UM,
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Speaker 1: which is that has a lot of consequences for UM,
26:58
Speaker 1: so many, so many social issues. Okay, so that's kind
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Speaker 1: of the the beer slash masculine side of this, which
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Speaker 1: brings us to the feminine side of it. Um. But
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Speaker 1: first it brings us to a quick break for word
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Speaker 1: and we're back with the question is women women like wine? Yes,
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Speaker 1: and usually white wine. I find is the stereotypes specifically
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Speaker 1: white wine again going back to the like lighter thing
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Speaker 1: versus thing. Um, And I kept every article I was
27:46
Speaker 1: reading about this mentioned mommy juice. Really, yeah, I see
27:50
Speaker 1: all the things because you know, you see those cute
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Speaker 1: little um retro photos with some kind of snarky writing,
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Speaker 1: you know, talking about in the nineteen fifties house moms
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Speaker 1: or something, definitely talking about Martini's. Yeah, I remember I
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Speaker 1: dressed up as quote unquote uh fifties housewife and I
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Speaker 1: had a Martini glass as one of my props. Oh,
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Speaker 1: I feel like martinis were just huge. I guess so
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Speaker 1: because it's also same thing with men in the James Bond. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: there there was a diet that I find funny now.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure it wasn't funny then, but there's a diet
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Speaker 1: called like the the steak Diet, The Man Steak Diet.
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Speaker 1: It was a diet forum in and it was you
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Speaker 1: have to eat at least one steak a day and
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Speaker 1: drink at least one martini. What are you talking about
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Speaker 1: this in the other episode? Okay, that's weird. It's a
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Speaker 1: it's a real thing, and I feel like it was
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Speaker 1: just dudes being I want to eat misteak and jake
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Speaker 1: my martini and not have anybody give me any cuff
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Speaker 1: about it, right right, Yeah, But that's what I guess
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Speaker 1: my head is, like, I always see get mommy a martini.
28:56
Speaker 1: That's how I've seen it. I definitely see the white
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Speaker 1: wine too. This Chardonnay has always been the mama drank
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Speaker 1: as well, it seemed. Yeah, I feel like it's just
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Speaker 1: become a kind of a meme almost, like like that
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Speaker 1: you're your mom and you can you can drink too. Um.
29:13
Speaker 1: We did an episode a while back on women drinking
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Speaker 1: more wine in general to deal with the patriarchy and
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Speaker 1: because because women are drinking more and going back to
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Speaker 1: that reason why women drink that we mentioned earlier is
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Speaker 1: usually either social or to deal with just um, and
29:31
Speaker 1: sometimes that that can I'm sure overlap. Yeah, that's the
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Speaker 1: happy hours, happy area. UM. But looking at something like
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Speaker 1: Mommy juice, that name does suggest, um, see, we have
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Speaker 1: more than just mom. We have other dimensions. And we
29:45
Speaker 1: often see or hear women saying stuff like this, like
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Speaker 1: I've earned this, I needed this. It might be your
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Speaker 1: friends advice when you're going through something, Um, get get
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Speaker 1: some wine or get beer, whatever it is. Newly sober
29:58
Speaker 1: writer Christie coult Or over at Vox wrote quote, maybe
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Speaker 1: all that wine is an Instagram filter for our own lives,
30:05
Speaker 1: so we don't see how sallow and cracked they've become.
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Speaker 1: It's quite the read. And women do have a different
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Speaker 1: set of fears when it comes to drinking. I mean
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Speaker 1: one of the obvious ones being someone's going to put
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Speaker 1: something in your drink. Fear of sexual assaults is frequently
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Speaker 1: a factor, even subconsciously, for how much a woman drinks
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Speaker 1: in public. There have been surveys looking at like why,
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Speaker 1: trying to get to the bottom of why women drink
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Speaker 1: less in general than men. UM, and that was that
30:34
Speaker 1: was a big reason. UM. A lot of women linked
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Speaker 1: public drunkenness who spoiled sexual reputation are are being judged
30:42
Speaker 1: more harshly. And I have, so I've seen this. If
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Speaker 1: a dude is super intoxicated, it's like, oh, Jim is wasted.
30:50
Speaker 1: It's so funny. But if a woman is super intoxicated,
30:54
Speaker 1: it's like, look how pathetic and sad she is. She's
30:57
Speaker 1: so sloppy, like poor pouring. Um. Last year, when I
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Speaker 1: was at Dragon Con, I dropped a beer bottle and
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Speaker 1: it shattered. And I wasn't drunk or tipsy, but I
31:09
Speaker 1: have my Captain America shield and my Winter Soldier arm
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Speaker 1: and all these superhero gears, and that conduced him holding
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Speaker 1: a drink. It turns out I was trying to text
31:18
Speaker 1: somebody too much was happening. Um. I have seen people
31:22
Speaker 1: with coozies and they Captain Rich. I was going to say,
31:24
Speaker 1: don't you have like a cup holder in your Captain?
31:25
Speaker 1: And I feel like I'd forget and I'd like put it.
31:28
Speaker 1: I would lean let it drop and it would fall
31:31
Speaker 1: out anyway. I'm looking into it. But people did the
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Speaker 1: most dramatic of movie gasp and they started whispering. Um.
31:41
Speaker 1: I felt so horrible and embarrassed by it. Um. And
31:46
Speaker 1: my brain still keeps you up at night about this. Really,
31:49
Speaker 1: it's one of those things, you know, when your brain
31:51
Speaker 1: is like, remember that time you did this really ridiculous thing. Yeah,
31:55
Speaker 1: and I'll probably see I was with people I kind
31:58
Speaker 1: of if we see each other every year a dragon Con,
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Speaker 1: but we don't know each other super well, Um, so
32:03
Speaker 1: I'll probably see them again this year. And I bet you,
32:05
Speaker 1: I bet you. I bet either dropping a bottle Yeah cute.
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Speaker 1: I would have been more concerned if I fell or something.
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Speaker 1: That's the thing is like I get it at dragon
32:15
Speaker 1: Con because people are usually drunk and I usually get drunk, right,
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Speaker 1: But in this particular instance, I wasn't. I'm just clumsy,
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Speaker 1: and no one believed me about it. It's so weird. Yeah,
32:26
Speaker 1: And well, if anyone saw that the Winter Soldier dropped
32:29
Speaker 1: the bottle of beer outside of the Marriott, that was me.
32:33
Speaker 1: That was me. Another thing women sided when it came
32:40
Speaker 1: to concerns around drinking in public or how much they
32:42
Speaker 1: would drink in public. Is the value of social currency
32:47
Speaker 1: online diminished when photos of unflattering drunken behavior are posted
32:52
Speaker 1: and like a lot of them said, they go out
32:54
Speaker 1: and untagged. Yeah. Yeah, if they're in a picture where
32:57
Speaker 1: it doesn't look they don't like how it be. If
33:00
Speaker 1: they just think they look drunk. Oh yeah, well, I
33:03
Speaker 1: mean at this point in time, with social media, you
33:05
Speaker 1: can lose a job. That teacher who had a drink
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Speaker 1: in her hand. Nothing implied she was drunk, nothing implies
33:10
Speaker 1: she was anywhere when your kids, But she lost her
33:12
Speaker 1: job as a teacher. That was absurd. Yeah, I I
33:16
Speaker 1: sometimes struggle with Like I said, I don't and my
33:20
Speaker 1: family drinking wasn't It was just kind of a thing, right, Um,
33:24
Speaker 1: So I didn't really grow up with this mentality that
33:27
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people have. So sometimes I
33:30
Speaker 1: forget and like, to me, you can just have one
33:32
Speaker 1: drink at lunch and that's fine. But I've been around
33:35
Speaker 1: people who are clearly uncomfortable when I do that, right,
33:37
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm definitely one of those that didn't grow
33:39
Speaker 1: up with it. So having alcohol in my pictures not
33:42
Speaker 1: my favorite thing. As well as the fact that I
33:44
Speaker 1: do work for state government, and so I'm very very cautious.
33:48
Speaker 1: I try to hide as many things as possible. Of course,
33:50
Speaker 1: to certain extent, I'm like, this is just being an
33:52
Speaker 1: adult and being active and there's nothing truly wrong here. However,
33:56
Speaker 1: it does go through my mind. I'm like, how how
33:58
Speaker 1: does this how is this to be perceived Yes, yes, UM.
34:02
Speaker 1: And something else A lot of women cited when they
34:06
Speaker 1: were talking about UM concerns around drinking was in general
34:11
Speaker 1: UM pregnancy, that it might be pregnant and not know
34:13
Speaker 1: it UM. And that is something else. Researchers have looked
34:17
Speaker 1: into the fact that women do have to give up
34:19
Speaker 1: alcohol if they become pregnant. Is this somehow like a
34:22
Speaker 1: lot of women give it up and then don't return
34:25
Speaker 1: to it. Um. And then something else a loss of
34:28
Speaker 1: custody of a child. Well, now there's one more thing
34:31
Speaker 1: with the new laws that's coming about, is UM possibly
34:35
Speaker 1: endangering children since now we have the new prenatal laws
34:39
Speaker 1: when it comes to help an abuse of fetuses. So
34:43
Speaker 1: that's one more thing that's going to have to be
34:45
Speaker 1: something for women to think on. So there is a
34:47
Speaker 1: lot of different a different set of fears, shall we say, um.
34:52
Speaker 1: And for me, I do feel like a lot of
34:56
Speaker 1: the drinking that women do is on within the bounds
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Speaker 1: of femininity, whether that's the intention or not. Like UM,
35:06
Speaker 1: it's acceptable for women to drink light beer, are skinny wine,
35:10
Speaker 1: which is a brand because doing so, you're still recognizing
35:15
Speaker 1: beauty as your social currency. Um, you can drink, but
35:19
Speaker 1: only if you stick to these rules or you're purposefully
35:23
Speaker 1: going against them to be again one of the guys. Um.
35:27
Speaker 1: But more and more we are bucking that and people
35:30
Speaker 1: people know, I love light beer when you're outside or
35:35
Speaker 1: you're in it for a long all like if you're
35:36
Speaker 1: at an all day type thing, I love it. And
35:40
Speaker 1: what I don't love is that people always always make
35:44
Speaker 1: fun of me for it or imply I'm a basic bitch.
35:47
Speaker 1: And then as the day goes on, what do they
35:51
Speaker 1: start drinking the light beer that I brought to the party,
35:55
Speaker 1: Like this is a very personal thing for you. It
35:58
Speaker 1: makes me so mad. Um, So I don't want to
36:01
Speaker 1: judge anyone, like when I say drinking is done the
36:05
Speaker 1: bounds of femininity. I like a lot of these things,
36:09
Speaker 1: right right, I was gonna say, I definitely will try
36:11
Speaker 1: to limit caloric intake as well when it comes to drinking,
36:16
Speaker 1: because it does stuck up so high, and I am
36:18
Speaker 1: more likely to do the lighter things if I know
36:23
Speaker 1: I'm going for the long haul as well. But typically
36:25
Speaker 1: I don't don't buy light beers. I think I've done
36:29
Speaker 1: the whole. Can we talk about basic butch, which by
36:31
Speaker 1: the way is not a great term in awful um
36:34
Speaker 1: not a great term. It's not it's not nice in general.
36:37
Speaker 1: But I've started buying the Seltzer waters hard Seltzer water
36:42
Speaker 1: partially because of that whole Okay, I want to drink something,
36:45
Speaker 1: and I want something fruit and light, but I don't
36:47
Speaker 1: want to, you know, end up all in Yeah, in
36:53
Speaker 1: the first hour. That is a big trend that's happening,
36:56
Speaker 1: um of movement towards lower A b v UM drinks
37:01
Speaker 1: and also something that I'm really happy to see, um
37:05
Speaker 1: more nonalcoholic drinks because I do have several friends who
37:08
Speaker 1: are sober, and every time I see nonalcoholic drink section
37:12
Speaker 1: on a menu that is more than just soda, um,
37:15
Speaker 1: soda and water, it makes me very very happy. And
37:18
Speaker 1: without the gluten free stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I have a
37:21
Speaker 1: friend who is Celiac and she misses beard desperately, so
37:23
Speaker 1: gets so excited when she sees a gluten free option um.
37:28
Speaker 1: And And we did do an episode on nonalcoholic drinks
37:33
Speaker 1: on on other show Saver, and I caught myself almost
37:35
Speaker 1: saying something like not a real drink, which is total nonsense.
37:39
Speaker 1: So that's something that I've been I had to like
37:42
Speaker 1: reframe in my own mind. UM. But there there are
37:46
Speaker 1: other positive things too. There's a couple of clubs like
37:50
Speaker 1: Women Who Whiskey, which is a whiskey club with twenty
37:53
Speaker 1: chapters across the US. UM. There are more women involved
37:59
Speaker 1: in things like brewing and distilling. Right. Speaking of societies
38:03
Speaker 1: or clubs, Pink Boot Society is a focus on female
38:06
Speaker 1: breweries as well. That's kind of opened up very big
38:09
Speaker 1: um around the country as well to the country. They're
38:11
Speaker 1: even more just around people they've been around, they're they're around,
38:15
Speaker 1: they're around, they're around um as well as different brewers
38:18
Speaker 1: have been popping up as being female owned, which is fantastic. Uh.
38:22
Speaker 1: And when we're getting more and more women who we've
38:25
Speaker 1: already talked about it, I know that the original brewers female,
38:29
Speaker 1: um and what that looked like, as well as the
38:31
Speaker 1: fact um trying to come back into the fact that
38:34
Speaker 1: women do like beer. Surprise. One of my friends started
38:39
Speaker 1: a festival, Dames and Drugs in celebrating women in the
38:42
Speaker 1: brewing industry. And usually that brings about having different local
38:46
Speaker 1: breweries bringing their female employees to create a beer on
38:49
Speaker 1: their own if they're not already doing it. Which is fantastic.
38:52
Speaker 1: I think it's slowly up and coming, as well as
38:54
Speaker 1: the fact that, yeah, I actually know about beers. I
38:56
Speaker 1: actually know about hops and grains and you know, the
39:00
Speaker 1: team process surprised and I can tell you what you
39:03
Speaker 1: may or may not like. I am actually good at beers.
39:07
Speaker 1: You are you you are? There's a what is now
39:11
Speaker 1: kind of a funny picture of us, several funny pictures
39:15
Speaker 1: we do. We had several run ins before we became
39:17
Speaker 1: like friends. We I think we've met each other in passing.
39:21
Speaker 1: I think this was before we met each other though
39:23
Speaker 1: with the initial initial. Yeah, there's a picture of I
39:27
Speaker 1: was at an event for the Atlanta Science Festival called
39:29
Speaker 1: the Science of Sour Beer, and there's a picture of
39:33
Speaker 1: me getting a beer. I was starving you a beer.
39:36
Speaker 1: I was, And then our friend Caroline, who you know
39:39
Speaker 1: stuff I've never told you, unladylike, was like, wait, YouTube,
39:43
Speaker 1: I know both of you, you're in this picture. What
39:45
Speaker 1: is going on? And I think we were trying to
39:47
Speaker 1: figure out what was happening and how well. Of course
39:50
Speaker 1: we've missed each other because we didn't know each other
39:51
Speaker 1: at that point in time. But yeah, I did love
39:54
Speaker 1: that picture because I'm pretty sure. Well, not only were
39:57
Speaker 1: they doing fantastic tours and talking about fermentation and sour
40:01
Speaker 1: beers and different fruits and all of that, I was
40:04
Speaker 1: one of the ones who was also talking about these
40:06
Speaker 1: are the types of beers that we have and how
40:07
Speaker 1: we do this and what they do with this. So
40:09
Speaker 1: I was like, ha, see, I know science about beer. Yeah,
40:13
Speaker 1: before you knew me. I also ran into partin Freeman
40:16
Speaker 1: that day. I was wearing a Captain America's shirt and
40:21
Speaker 1: he gave me the old point it seems like a
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Speaker 1: point not kind of guy, and I was I played
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Speaker 1: it cool because I went cool. Um. One other thing
40:31
Speaker 1: I did want to add, going back to the non
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Speaker 1: alcoholic drinks, because I just got kind of curious, Um,
40:35
Speaker 1: why do we call them? Sometimes call them virgin? And
40:39
Speaker 1: it comes from during the nineteen twenties in America. Was
40:44
Speaker 1: was the height of temperance and prohibition. It meant pure
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Speaker 1: and untouched of course by sin, like, oh, touched for
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Speaker 1: the very first time. Are you doing a lot of things?
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Speaker 1: I look, this is all you could do today? Maybe
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Speaker 1: Madonna got got her inspiration from this. Um. In March,
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Speaker 1: Scottish Parliament held an event looking into the sexualization of
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Speaker 1: women in alcohol advertising. Two of the report authors said, quote,
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Speaker 1: although men are about twice as likely as women to
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Speaker 1: die from alcohol related causes, media discussion often focuses on
41:22
Speaker 1: the perceived problem of women's drinking, with moralistic and stigmatizing
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Speaker 1: attitudes featuring strongly in public discussions. We've been trying to
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Speaker 1: explore why this happens and to suggest how we can
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Speaker 1: counter cynical marketing by alcohol producers that exploit rather than
41:37
Speaker 1: emancipate women, as well as suggesting how support services can
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Speaker 1: be more women friendly. And The chief executive over at
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Speaker 1: the Institute for Alcohol Studies, Catherine Brown, said, the sexualization
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Speaker 1: of women in alcohol marketing maybe working to undermine gender
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Speaker 1: equality and ultimately desensitized public attitudes towards domestic abuse and
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Speaker 1: sexual assault. We need to see an end to such
41:58
Speaker 1: practices and learn from other countries such as France, which
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Speaker 1: restrict alcohol advertising to protect against adverse outcomes. So that's
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Speaker 1: what happens with the Queen's Ripe cases. Oftentimes the first
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Speaker 1: question is what are you drinking? Where you intoxicated, and
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Speaker 1: this kind of whole idea that you're responsible if you
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Speaker 1: start drinking, you're the reason that this happened to you
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Speaker 1: dot dot dot. Yeah, UM, we have some more for
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Speaker 1: you listeners, but first we're going to pause for one
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Speaker 1: more quickick for to more sponsor and we're back. Thank
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Speaker 1: you sponsor. And I know there is a lot of
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Speaker 1: conversation right now that I find really fascinating around the
42:49
Speaker 1: idea of and I think this is this could be
42:53
Speaker 1: said for a lot of industries because we're just in
42:55
Speaker 1: a time of change from so much change. But um,
42:58
Speaker 1: kind of this what for so long has been even
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Speaker 1: though it was started by women, perhaps um dominated by men,
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Speaker 1: this male industry that by drinking, you're dealing with the patriarchy,
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Speaker 1: even though you're participating in the patriarchy, Like it's a
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Speaker 1: it's the male industry telling you, Yeah, you want to
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Speaker 1: drink this, you want to be part of the group.
43:24
Speaker 1: You want to be part of men women you can.
43:26
Speaker 1: It kind of reminds me of that whole cigarette thing,
43:27
Speaker 1: however happened with that? Um, And I just I read
43:31
Speaker 1: a lot of interesting like I'm still kind of processing it,
43:34
Speaker 1: but pieces about um, how women might be drinking because
43:39
Speaker 1: they're so frustrated with all the stuff, all of this stuff, right,
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Speaker 1: that's happening. I mean, I'm sure we're going to have
43:48
Speaker 1: more and more statistics over what's happened in the last
43:50
Speaker 1: two years alone with our social climate and I say
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Speaker 1: our in the US alone, and how things are being
43:58
Speaker 1: more and more restricted for the film population in wondering
44:02
Speaker 1: how high alcoholism, you know, problems are because of the
44:05
Speaker 1: stress level and all of that. As you're speaking, because
44:08
Speaker 1: I know we've already talked about therapy and such growing
44:10
Speaker 1: up because of this time frame and just in general,
44:14
Speaker 1: the overall unversal stress that's coming from just politics alone,
44:19
Speaker 1: just conversations with social expectations alone. Yeah. Um, yeah, there
44:27
Speaker 1: are a lot of there's a lot of stuff being
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Speaker 1: written about it right now, and like advising you to
44:36
Speaker 1: not blunts away your your anger with alcohol as women.
44:41
Speaker 1: But I just I find I find I'm glad this
44:44
Speaker 1: conversation is happening, um. And and there's also a lot
44:49
Speaker 1: of conversation, and we didn't really get into it today
44:51
Speaker 1: about how the alcohol industry targets youth um with like
44:57
Speaker 1: they're they're very sweet kind of it tastes like juice drinks. Um.
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Speaker 1: So that's another problem that, um, that we need to
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Speaker 1: we need to look into I would love to talk
45:08
Speaker 1: about the days you Yes, well we can do that.
45:13
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45:21
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45:26
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