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Nancy Guthrie DNA Bombshell, D4VD Arrest for Murder 1 · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Bombshell to Tucson and the
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Guthrie disappearance. Has a guy been detained overnight for
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  Speaker 1: questioning south of Tucson and California? A bombshell arrest and
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  Speaker 1: the disappearance and death of a young teen girl, Celeste
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  Speaker 1: Tonight D four VD David Anthony Burke handcuffed, arrested behind bars.
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  Speaker 1: Good evening, I'm Nancy Grece. This is Crime Stories. I
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  Speaker 1: want to thank you for being with us. First to
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  Speaker 1: Tucson straight out to Crime Stories. Investigative reporter Dave Matt
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  Speaker 1: reports in the late nine hours that a person south
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  Speaker 1: of Tucson had been detained for questioning. Now correct me
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  Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, But isn't that the same general area
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  Speaker 1: where someone was detained before several weeks ago, nearly at
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  Speaker 1: the get go, and everyone was so happy that maybe
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  Speaker 1: the case had been resolved, and then it turned out
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  Speaker 1: the person was released. In fact, in that case, the
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  Speaker 1: SWAT team rolled out for one of the first times
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  Speaker 1: since Nancy Guthrie went missing, and they were poised also
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  Speaker 1: nearby a hostage negotiator, we were told, but it all
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  Speaker 1: fizzled out. What do you know?
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  Speaker 2: Nancy, that is exactly what happened, and it appears that
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  Speaker 2: we're right back in that same general area as we
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  Speaker 2: had been before, and now we're being led to the
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  Speaker 2: trough you know, the possible suspect. There's possible new information,
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  Speaker 2: but pe mccounty not jumping in, nobody providing us with
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  Speaker 2: a lot of information on this Nancy, other than what
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  Speaker 2: we're putting together by saying, hey, they're in the same
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  Speaker 2: general area that we've already been once before. And remember, Ness,
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  Speaker 2: you mentioned that that was a big undertaking that last
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  Speaker 2: time with the SWAT team, a negotiator they had the
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  Speaker 2: law enforcement had a plan that they were putting into
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  Speaker 2: action and it ended up being nothing. Now we're two
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  Speaker 2: months down the road and a lot more information has
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  Speaker 2: come in, we're getting some DNA evidence back and now
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  Speaker 2: back in the same place. So we'll have to wait
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  Speaker 2: and see what happens next.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the good thing this time to Tammy Ballor joining
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  Speaker 1: US DNA and crime scene consultant, crime scene investigator reconstructionist,
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  Speaker 1: former DNA krimlist for the San Diego Police Department Crime Lab, Tammy,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us tonight, Tammy. We also
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  Speaker 1: know that contrary to what Nanos said at the get go.
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  Speaker 1: In the last weeks, the FBI has confirmed that they
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  Speaker 1: obtained DNA from inside Nancy Guthrie's home. Many including me,
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  Speaker 1: believe it was from her bedroom. We are also learning
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  Speaker 1: from sources that it is in fact a hair. Now
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  Speaker 1: we had to do a lot of finger pointing right
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  Speaker 1: now about why Nano's's team didn't find it. What a
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  Speaker 1: miracle it is that the FBI found it weeks later.
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  Speaker 1: Reality they found it. Now we understand it's a hair.
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  Speaker 1: If that's true, Tammy Ballard, what does that mean? And
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  Speaker 1: I also know this Tammy, that the FBI is testing
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  Speaker 1: it at their labs. It has not been sent to
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  Speaker 1: the Teacher's pet lab that Nanos has had a contract with. It.
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  Speaker 3: Actually is the greatest time for there to be hair
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  Speaker 3: recovered from a scene because the technology right now is
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  Speaker 3: on point. In the old days, you had to have
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  Speaker 3: that hair, which is also very hard to find. So
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  Speaker 3: you have to give the crime scene people some credit
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  Speaker 3: because it is that's a difficult evidenture right there.
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  Speaker 1: But once it's located.
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  Speaker 3: Now is one of the best times in the forensics
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  Speaker 3: world because you used to have to have that really
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  Speaker 3: great hair root for DNA, and now you have these
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  Speaker 3: laboratories across the country that are able to extract a
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  Speaker 3: DNA profile from a hair that is not even having that.
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  Speaker 1: Great root material.
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  Speaker 3: So what we call rootless hairs.
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  Speaker 1: Joining us is Tammy Ballard and she is referring to
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  Speaker 1: nuclear DNA from a hair, which you get from a root.
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  Speaker 1: What she's talking about is a nuclear hair sample where
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  Speaker 1: the root is obtained in the root of your hair.
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  Speaker 1: You have your dad's DNA and your mother's DNA nuclear
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  Speaker 1: like the nuclear family nuclear DNA. If the root is
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  Speaker 1: not still attached to the hair, no problem. We now
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  Speaker 1: have mitochondrial mitochondrial DNA, which is only from your mother's side,
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  Speaker 1: but it can still be a match, no problem. Might
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  Speaker 1: always rather have nuclear, But if I don't have it, fine.
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  Speaker 1: What we have is a hair now being analyzed by
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  Speaker 1: the FBI. What exactly, Tammy, is a difference between analyzing
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  Speaker 1: let's just say blood or sperm and let's go with
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  Speaker 1: the least desirable mitocondual DNA from a hair. What's the
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  Speaker 1: difference in those two DNA analysis For those of you
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  Speaker 1: just joining us, we hear in the night hours someone
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  Speaker 1: a male south of Tucson detained for questioning, but then
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  Speaker 1: everything went radio silent. What happened? If anything? That said,
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  Speaker 1: the FBI has let it out that they have DNA
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  Speaker 1: and we believe it's a hair. So how is the
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  Speaker 1: analysis different? Tammy balor between let's just go with a
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  Speaker 1: mitochondual hair analysis versus blood, blood or sweat analysis.
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  Speaker 3: I do want to go one step further on the
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  Speaker 3: hair technology with its respect to rootless hairs. So yes,
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  Speaker 3: the ideal is a nice root for nuclear DNA. Then
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  Speaker 3: the next step could be mitochondrial DNA, which is on
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  Speaker 3: that maternal line.
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  Speaker 1: That would be.
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  Speaker 3: Good to compare to everybody that they already have reference
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  Speaker 3: samples for to make sure that it's nobody from Nancy
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  Speaker 3: Guthrie's family.
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  Speaker 1: But once they do that.
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  Speaker 3: If there is sufficient material, they don't just have mitochondrial
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  Speaker 3: in their wheelhouse. They can actually sequence it and that's
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  Speaker 3: how they can use that for the genealogy searches. So
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  Speaker 3: the technology is advanced beyond.
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  Speaker 1: When you say sequence, you mean you know what. Let
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  Speaker 1: me have you explain it. What do you mean by sequence?
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  Speaker 3: The SNIP technology, the single nucleotide polymorphism technology that is
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  Speaker 3: being utilized for the forensic genetic genealogy testing that is
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  Speaker 3: actually in the wheelhouse for It's not a lot of laboratories,
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  Speaker 3: but some select laboratories that are able to do rootless hairs.
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  Speaker 3: So yes, mitochondrial is something that will probably be assessed
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  Speaker 3: or possibly be assessed. But there's also this advancement in
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  Speaker 3: the technology to be able to utilize sequencing for rootless hairs.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, back to the question Tammy Ballard. Oh, hold on,
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  Speaker 1: Dave Matt before I get to Tammy Ballard on the
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  Speaker 1: difference in the FBI at Quantico analyzing the hair versus
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  Speaker 1: sweat or blood that may have been found at the scene.
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  Speaker 1: And I talked about Nancy Guthrie sweat and blood. I'm
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  Speaker 1: talking about the purpse, sweat and blood, particularly sweat from
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  Speaker 1: the bite light onto his hand and then hand onto
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  Speaker 1: surfaces in the home. We understand what we all saw.
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  Speaker 1: Savannah Guthrie introduced Hollywood Star and Hathaway. They went to
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  Speaker 1: a break and when we came back know Savannah Guthrie,
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  Speaker 1: she was called off the set. Mini speculated she got
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  Speaker 1: word of a development in the Nancy Guthrie case. Was
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  Speaker 1: it to do with a person detained? Was it some
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  Speaker 1: other development. She came back, and what that tells me,
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  Speaker 1: Dave Matt is she was not told that Nancy had
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  Speaker 1: been found either dead or alive, or she would have
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  Speaker 1: left and on the next plane out to Tucson. So
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  Speaker 1: it's not that. But she did leave the set. So
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  Speaker 1: that's another factor to throw into what we're already learning
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  Speaker 1: about a potential detainee, not arrest, a detainee detained for
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  Speaker 1: questioning in the nighttime hours south of Tucson. What can
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  Speaker 1: you tell me about that?
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  Speaker 2: Well, Nancy, when you get right down to it, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Savannah introduced an upcoming segment with Anne Hathaway, and when
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  Speaker 2: viewers came back to the scene, Hodakapi was doing the interview.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing was said, just Savannah is not there, and you
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  Speaker 2: know it makes you know this from a network level,
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  Speaker 2: the preparation that goes into having a segment like that
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  Speaker 2: is pretty intense. So for Savannah to be taken away
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  Speaker 2: at that moment not something they would do lightly. It
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  Speaker 2: was obviously to get her information because they might have
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  Speaker 2: been afraid that this information was going to be leaked,
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  Speaker 2: and it could be leaked before they were able to get.
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  Speaker 1: It to her.
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  Speaker 2: So that's what I'm kind of leaning towards now what
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  Speaker 2: actually happened with regard to the DNA, the hair whatever
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  Speaker 2: they found. Again, investigators being very cagy on what they're
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  Speaker 2: telling us. We know that we've got multiple labs involved
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  Speaker 2: in bringing back multiple results to the f to the
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  Speaker 2: Pena County Sheriff's department, and being able to analyze it
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  Speaker 2: with the FBI. So there's a lot of different things
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  Speaker 2: coming to play. But what did happen is during the
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  Speaker 2: course of the day yesterday after Savannah came walked off
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  Speaker 2: the set, we find out that some DNA results have
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  Speaker 2: come back and that they are investigators are looking at
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  Speaker 2: this DNA of porporation.
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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace tammy Ballard. Back to that question,
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  Speaker 1: we don't know for sure what kind of DNA it is.
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  Speaker 1: And in the last hours as we go to air
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  Speaker 1: tammy Ballard, the Pema County Sheriff that would be Nanos
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  Speaker 1: puts out the first statement they've put out in weeks
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  Speaker 1: and weeks and weeks. Seems like the online sleuths are
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  Speaker 1: doing more than the Pema County sheriffs are doing. But
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  Speaker 1: that said, stating that they are cooperating with the FBI. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: that's not exactly a bombshell, but could you very simply
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  Speaker 1: break it down. If it is a hair, how easy
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  Speaker 1: is that to analyze? How long does it take as
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  Speaker 1: opposed to analyzing sweat or blood.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the biggest difference is that the hair, if it
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  Speaker 3: has a nice big root, that's going to have some DNA,
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  Speaker 3: but obviously not as much as something like blood or
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  Speaker 3: sweat potentially, so you're really hoping that you probably have
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  Speaker 3: like maybe potentially a one shot deal with a single
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  Speaker 3: hair if that's what they have. Blood, saliva, sweat, those
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  Speaker 3: are items where you could potentially do more types of testing.
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  Speaker 3: You could do the traditional testing and maybe also testing
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  Speaker 3: for the SNIP technology in genetic genealogy. But with a
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  Speaker 3: hair usually it's a one shot deal. It's a little
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  Speaker 3: bit more finesse as far as the actual technical side
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  Speaker 3: of it when you're extracting the DNA. But once you
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  Speaker 3: move forward with that, they would like be taking that
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  Speaker 3: forward for sequencing if they have enough share sample available.
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  Speaker 1: As we wait for the latest on a possible detainee overnight,
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  Speaker 1: we know this the FBI ramping up advanced DNA testing
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  Speaker 1: as mixed genetic samples. Point two A possible breakthrough in
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Guthrie's kidnap case. Now straight out to the D
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  Speaker 1: four VD case to Brian Fitzgibbons joining us Director Operations,
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  Speaker 1: USPA Nationwide Security, leading a team of investigators to find
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  Speaker 1: missing people and analyzed cases. You can find him at
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  Speaker 1: USPA Nationwide Security, Brian, what do you make of it?
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  Speaker 1: Let's see the video obtain from our friends at TMZ
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  Speaker 1: D four VD now in handcuffs and arrested. Take a look, Brian.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Nancy, So there must be a significant development here,
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  Speaker 4: and what this points to to me is that somebody
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  Speaker 4: has come forward and provided, you know, a witness statement here,
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  Speaker 4: that there's some person with information that's related to this
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  Speaker 4: case that's come forward. They've had months and months to
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  Speaker 4: analyze what would probably amount to be quite a bit
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  Speaker 4: of physical and digital evidence. But this, this new break
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  Speaker 4: seems to be, if I had to speculate, is related
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  Speaker 4: to a witness coming forward.
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  Speaker 1: Straight out to Dave Matt Crime Stories investigative reporter, Tell
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  Speaker 1: me what happened? When did the arrest go down?
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  Speaker 2: The arrest went down late yesterday afternoon Nancy and the
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  Speaker 2: LAPD saying it's the Hollywood Hills but not exactly identifying
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  Speaker 2: the address. But Nancy, it was important to point out
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  Speaker 2: that the LAPD said they had been keeping track of
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  Speaker 2: D four VD for some time. They knew it exactly
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  Speaker 2: where he was. They knew what he had been doing.
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  Speaker 2: Because there was no public appearances. I mean, David Anthony
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  Speaker 2: Burke was gone. We couldn't find him anywhere. It didn't
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  Speaker 2: know if he was in Texas or in California. But
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  Speaker 2: the LAPD they knew exactly where he was. Now when
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  Speaker 2: they got there, they showed up with guns, they showed
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  Speaker 2: up with gear, and one of the LAPD's finals on
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  Speaker 2: a megaphone from outside of the house is saying surrender, surrender.
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  Speaker 2: So that was how he was brought into custody.
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  Speaker 1: Last night, the platinum artist D four VD aka David
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  Speaker 1: Anthony Burke arrested on suspicion of murder and the death
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  Speaker 1: of a fourteen year old little girl, Celeste Rivas Hernandez.
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  Speaker 1: This is seven months after her body is found dismembered
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  Speaker 1: and severely decomposed in the trunk of his tesla. Now
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  Speaker 1: we understand, and you can see from the video from TNZ,
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  Speaker 1: he seemed to be completely cooperative when he was taken
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  Speaker 1: into custody, and I believe that he had been schooled
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  Speaker 1: by his parents, one of them being a lawyer, not
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  Speaker 1: to resist arrest. LAPD prepared for it, heavily armed and
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  Speaker 1: in force. Now their lawyers, Burke's lawyers quickly issue a
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  Speaker 1: statement that I'm sure they've had ready for weeks. Let's
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  Speaker 1: be clear. The evidence will show he did not murder
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  Speaker 1: Celeste Revus and he was not the cause of her death.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the deal to you, Bryan Fitzgibbons, USPA nationwide security.
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  Speaker 1: So much time went by from the time of her
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  Speaker 1: death to the time her body was discovered. Her body
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  Speaker 1: was in deep decomposure. She was also dismembered. We may
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  Speaker 1: never get a cod cause of death, so at trial
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  Speaker 1: could very well take the stand and state it was
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  Speaker 1: all an accident. Then he panicked and hid the body.
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  Speaker 1: I could see that playing out in court. But why
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  Speaker 1: dismember the body? And if that there was an accident,
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  Speaker 1: why not call nine one one to save her life? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's correct.
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  Speaker 4: And we saw a very similar thing defense play out
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  Speaker 4: with Brian Walsh with the murder of Anna Walsh, and
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  Speaker 4: prosecutors were able to establish through digital evidence and forensic
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  Speaker 4: evidence that there was intent, that there was intent to
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  Speaker 4: cover this up, and these things will come into play
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  Speaker 4: for D four VD. And what I'll add to this
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  Speaker 4: is anybody in his circle, and there was another arrest
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  Speaker 4: I believe yesterday as well for somebody who failed to
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  Speaker 4: respond to a subpoena related to this case. You're seeing,
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  Speaker 4: you're peeking behind the curtain here. Of what investigators have
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  Speaker 4: uncovered is probably a lot of communications and digital evidence
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  Speaker 4: around this conspiracy.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we talked from the get go, Brian Fitzgibbons,
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  Speaker 1: you and I about potential digital evidence. When you say
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  Speaker 1: digital evidence, be specific because I think you're right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, what I'm specifically referring to is going to be communications,
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  Speaker 4: you know, messaging apps on cell phones, whether it's cell phone,
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  Speaker 4: cell phone communication, direct SMS or through another application that
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  Speaker 4: their investigators have probably obtained some amount of those messages
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  Speaker 4: that would indicate that there was some conspiracy here to
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  Speaker 4: cover up this crime.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 1: Another thing to point out Brian Fitzgibbons joining us USPA
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  Speaker 1: Nationwide Security is that he is charged with murder. He's
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  Speaker 1: not charged with he's not charged with involuntary he's not
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  Speaker 1: charged with felony murder, which is a death occurs in
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  Speaker 1: commission of a felony. That felony, for example, could be
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  Speaker 1: childlesstation if he was having sex with her. It could
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  Speaker 1: be statutory rape. It could be aggravated assault. It could
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  Speaker 1: be false imprisonment keeping her in the mansion if she
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  Speaker 1: didn't want to be there. It could be improperly influencing
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  Speaker 1: a child, in other words, helping her run away from home.
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  Speaker 1: It could be all sorts of things. And she died.
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  Speaker 1: No intent to kill her, but that's not what he's
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  Speaker 1: charged with. He is charged with murder. That tells me
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  Speaker 1: that they've gotten more than what they found on her remains,
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  Speaker 1: that they have a witness, because how could they know
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  Speaker 1: they've got the facts to charge him with murder. Murder
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  Speaker 1: is the intentional, with malice, a forethought killing of another person.
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  Speaker 1: That means you intend the act, Like if I strangle you,
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  Speaker 1: if it only takes me one minute, that gives me
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  Speaker 1: time to form intent. If I raise the gun and
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  Speaker 1: pull the trigger, and that gives me time to form intent.
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  Speaker 1: They have charged him with murder, not a lesser charge.
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  Speaker 1: So they've got something what is it?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and spot on and one of these witnesses. Very
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  Speaker 4: likely investigators had enough to charge them with a serious crime.
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  Speaker 4: What we're dealing with here is a miner who is
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  Speaker 4: away from home, and that witness may be looking at hey,
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  Speaker 4: I'm facing these charges if I don't turn state's evidence
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  Speaker 4: and tell them what I know about what occurred, right,
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  Speaker 4: And I think that that's very likely what happened here.
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  Speaker 1: According to once sealed documents, the mother, the father, and
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  Speaker 1: the brother of D four VD try to quash their
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  Speaker 1: subpoenis to come and testify. That was denied straight out
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  Speaker 1: to Tammy Ballard, joining us a DNA crime scene expert, Tammy,
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  Speaker 1: what do you think could have been found forensic evidence
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  Speaker 1: such as DNA or other evidence found at the scene
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  Speaker 1: that led them to charge murder, not a lesser charge,
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  Speaker 1: but intentional with malice, a forethought, the killing of another person.
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  Speaker 1: What could it be?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I would actually wonder if they identified through some
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  Speaker 3: sort of investigative capabilities where.
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  Speaker 1: The actual crime scene is.
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  Speaker 3: There's obviously a secondary crime scene, so that's a possible
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  Speaker 3: that somebody came forward and they've identified where she was
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  Speaker 3: actually murdered.
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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, we have also gotten a
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  Speaker 1: peek at the wording in the court documents quote detectives
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  Speaker 1: partially unzip a bag and observe a decomposed head in Torso.
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  Speaker 1: This was according to the subpoena that we have seen
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  Speaker 1: from La County Emmy's office. Upon removing the cadaver bag
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  Speaker 1: from the front storage compartment of the tesla, it was
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  Speaker 1: discovered the arms and legs had been severed from the body.
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  Speaker 1: A second black bag was discovered underneath the cadaver bag.
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  Speaker 1: Upon opening the second bag, the dismembered body parts were discovered. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: Dave Mac talked about a nightmare that would make a
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  Speaker 1: rookie cop run for the heels and never look back.
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  Speaker 1: Two bags. See, we're learning more once we've obtained information
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  Speaker 1: from these documents. Tonight, two bags were found in the
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  Speaker 1: front the front trunk of the tesla. Let's see a
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  Speaker 1: shot of that. Remember the smell emanated there at the
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  Speaker 1: impound lot, and when they opened the front there was
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  Speaker 1: the body. We didn't know. There were two separate bags,
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  Speaker 1: one referred to as a cadaver bag, and in that
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  Speaker 1: bag is the head in Torso. There's a bag under
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  Speaker 1: that with the rest of her body parts. We also
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  Speaker 1: learned Dave Mac The subpoena states that a cadaver bag
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  Speaker 1: covered with insects and a strong odor of decay was found.
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  Speaker 2: Shocking information, Nancy. As you mentioned, you know, it was
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  Speaker 2: the smell that actually attracted the workers at the impound lot,
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  Speaker 2: you know, because the vehicle was towed there. It sat
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  Speaker 2: there for a couple of days before they actually went,
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  Speaker 2: what the heck, man, this is horrible and called police.
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  Speaker 2: But as you mentioned, now we've got two bags, one
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  Speaker 2: actually listed as a body bag. A quick search online
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  Speaker 2: to find out where do you get a body bag
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  Speaker 2: somebody who doesn't work in that field. You can order
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  Speaker 2: them online, and they had been used. The body bags
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  Speaker 2: had been used in some D four VD music videos,
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  Speaker 2: believe it or not. I don't know if it was
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  Speaker 2: purchased for that purpose, But eventually some of the remains
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: of Celestevas Hernandez found in that body bag in the
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  Speaker 2: front of the tesla.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Tammy Ballard, that's your super Bowl right there. A
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: body bag, two of them. They are typically of a
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: I would say plastic nature. That's perfect as a conduit
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  Speaker 1: for fingerprints.
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  Speaker 3: That's a great potential, and the fact that it's actually
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  Speaker 3: two bags is even better. Potential for DNA testing as well,
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  Speaker 3: just because if she's actually contained within those items, then
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  Speaker 3: at least some of that decomposition is going to not
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: have affected all of the potential DNA recovery and the
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: fingerprint recovery. So the exterior of those bags needs to
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: be focused on. Those bags I'm assuming are made pretty
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  Speaker 3: well if they're actually supposed to contain all the elements
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  Speaker 3: of a body, So it would be something where they
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: could focus on that and try to obtain any relevant
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: evidence that they can fingerprints, DNA, even trace evidence like hairs.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: This is the kind of stuff where and the expectation
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: obviously is that he's going to have his own DNA
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: in his own trunk, but maybe maybe they have additional
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: information that they can look for or just use this
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: to corroborate his.
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  Speaker 1: Role in this. Now, this is another fact that we know,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: we know defourvd's defense states, well, there's no indictment, but
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: police have stated they are presenting a case to prosecutors
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: at La County DA's office on Monday. The office in
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: its statement says it's aware of the arrest. When they
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: get the case, then they present it to the grand jury. Now,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: isn't it true, Dave Mac, that a Deep four VD
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: grand jury is nothing new. There has been a dfour
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: VD grand jury for months. They have been investigating the case.
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  Speaker 1: So this is probably going to be the same grand
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: jury they're going to put the indictment to.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: It's the same jury that's been sitting since November, Nancy.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it started out as an investigative jury, you know,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: and we were told so many different things about what
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: this jury could do or couldn't do, and then found
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: out later that they could. They were investigating the death
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: of Celesteveas Hernandez and that David Burke was the So
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: a lot is going to come out Monday when we
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: find out what the next step is going to be.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, for the time being, David Anthony Burke
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: is in jail without being what are.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: You saying, Dave Mac, what are you saying Till we
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: find out what the next step is going to be?
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: The next step is in indictment, that's the next step.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: The long dead body of this little girl found in
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: D four VD. David Anthony Burk's tesla, found one day
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: after she would have turned fifteen. She was just thirteen
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: years old. In the seventh grade. When her family reported
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: her missing, she was with dfour VD and after that
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: they never said another word nothing. Where have they been
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: all this time? Why are we the only ones banging
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: the drum demanding justice? Brian, it's Gibbons. This is very
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: odd behavior on the parent's part, never issuing a public plea,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: never thanking the LAPD for finding their girl, never demanding justice.
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  Speaker 1: I'm be laying on the front steps of the courthouse
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: screaming for justice. Nothing radio silent, and now an indictment
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: is set to go down and they're what what where
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: are they?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's incomprehensible the fact that there hasn't been a
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: large outcry from her family. You know that being said,
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: there isn't a playbook for these scenarios, but it is
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: a bizarre situation that the media has been standing up
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: for her a lot more than the family.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: You know, If it's Gibbons, I have never never gotten
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: a tangle with you. But did you actually just say
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: there's no playbook for this sort of thing. I did
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: have a child thirteen that go missing, correct me if
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: I'm wrong, But don't you have a couple of little girls?
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Of course?
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  Speaker 4: And you know, you know what I would mean, and.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: If one goes missing, what would you do? Suck your thoughts?
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: Hey, you know you know what I would be doing, Nancy.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: It's just yeah, I'd have to take the gun out
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  Speaker 1: of your hand, off of your leg, off of your back,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: the machete out of the other hand, and lock you
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: up in the basement and let you go kill somebody.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: But they've done nothing, no demands for justice. Nowhere is
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: my child that had one measly missing person report that
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: was it.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's absolutely bizarre. And hey, you know that might
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: be something that comes out in this indictment is was
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: their intimidation? Was their pressure put on the family by
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: somebody like D four D DV who has a significant
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: amount of wealth and assets to pressure a family.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Look at D four VD. He weighs one hundred pounds,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: so can wit you think he's going to intimidate a
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  Speaker 1: full grown man, the father of Celeste or a mother.
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  Speaker 1: God forbid, I'd rip his eyes out if he took
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: my girl or if he took my boy. Oh hln oh, nothing.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: What I'm saying is where have they been? And all
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: the time she was missing, she took up with D
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: four VD when she was thirteen years old. Check your
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: law book. Yeah, I mean man, he sure know how
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: to change your tune. I'll take it up with you later. Guys,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: tip line first. For Missus Guthrie, a lot is happening
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: behind the scenes. One eight hundred two two five five
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  Speaker 1: three two four. Don't bother calling the PMA County Sheriffs
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: eight hundred two two five five three two four. There
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: is a one point two plus million dollar reward for
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: information leading to her whereabouts. No conviction, no arrest required
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: for Celeste. The state is building its case dial two
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  Speaker 1: one three four eight six six point eight nine zero
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  Speaker 1: repeat two one three four eight six six' eight nine.
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  Speaker 1: Zero unless the parents have been scared or, INTIMIDATED i
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: expect to hear from them. Tonight after following investigating and
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: working these two, cases is there an end in? Sight
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: will we get justice For Celeste revas And Missus Nancy.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Guthrie we remember An american, Hero Deputy Sheriff William Heath,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Kelly Covington County, Sheriff's, alabama leaving behind a grieving, Wife,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: anita a, Son, tie and Daughters schuyler And, jennifer sentenced
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: to life without. Dad american Hero Deputy Sheriff William Heath.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Kelly thank you to our guests being with us, tonight
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: but especially to, You Nancy. Gray signing off for, tonight
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: But i'll see you tomorrow, night and until, then good night,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: friend