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Hutton & Withrow: Is High School Football Becoming College Football? Ingle Martin on CPA’s Bold Move | Hour 2 · Hutton & Withrow Show

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Speaker 1: A reason to like this movie while we watch it.
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Speaker 1: There's plenty to like across college football this weekend. It
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Speaker 1: is time for Chad Withrow's top 10 games of the
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Speaker 1: college football weekend.
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Speaker 2: We begin with game number 10. We're going to go
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Speaker 2: to the SEC. This might not be on a lot
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Speaker 2: of people's radar, but I love this matchup. It's Arkansas
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Speaker 2: at A & M. Texas A & M, a 14-point favorite.
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Speaker 2: 6 p.m. Central time, 7 p.m. Eastern on ESPN2. A &
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Speaker 2: M lost to LSU and Kentucky by a combined score
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Speaker 2: of 66-27 this week. You think this game is big?
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Speaker 2: They need to put it on Arkansas on this one. Arkansas,
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Speaker 2: by the way, and I know this didn't work out
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Speaker 2: well for you on Hard Rock Bet. They whip Tulsa 34-6,
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Speaker 2: but the Hogs have not won an SEC game since
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Speaker 2: beating Mississippi State two years ago in October of 2024.
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Speaker 2: That is their winless streak in the Southeastern Conference. This
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Speaker 2: is a must. This is a get-right game for A & M.
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Speaker 2: But Hutton, if this thing is even close in this one, boy, oh, boy,
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Speaker 2: are the whispers about Mike Yelko and his program going
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Speaker 2: to become yells. Now, did they just extend him? Oh, yeah,
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Speaker 2: he's got a sure-proof contract for sure, yes. But again,
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Speaker 2: speaking of yell leaders at Texas A & M, those
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Speaker 2: whispers become yells about him even if this game is close,
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Speaker 2: and that offense continues to look as bad as it has.
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Speaker 2: Game number nine. Number three, Notre Dame, a 21.5-point favorite
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Speaker 2: at North Carolina, noon Eastern, 11 a.m. Central on ESPN.
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Speaker 2: For the Irish, I mean, they just don't beat themselves.
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Speaker 2: They are a machine. Fewest penalties in college football, only
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Speaker 2: one turnover, and it was a meaningless interception where they
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Speaker 2: led 35-0 against Purdue in that game. They also have
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Speaker 2: the nation's number one defense. North Carolina, on the flip side,
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Speaker 2: they're the second fewest penalized team in America, so they're
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Speaker 2: not really beating themselves either. They did have a couple
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Speaker 2: of big turnovers in that loss to Clemson where they
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Speaker 2: let Clemson come back and beat them. But does Bill
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Speaker 2: Belichick have something up his sleeve in this game? I
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Speaker 2: doubt it, but I'll still be paying attention to game
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Speaker 2: number nine. Yeah, I'm only tuning in if this is close, Chad.
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Speaker 2: I don't think it will be. I'm with you. Game
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Speaker 2: number eight, huge game for Shane Beamer in South Carolina.
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Speaker 2: Number 24, Kentucky, on the road in Columbia to take
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Speaker 2: on the Cocks. The Cocks, a three-point favorite in this game.
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Speaker 2: 4-15 Eastern time, 3-15 Central time. on SEC Network. Lenora
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Speaker 2: Sellers has had a ton of success in his career
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Speaker 2: against Kentucky. 2-0, and they've beaten the Cats by a
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Speaker 2: combined 47 points in those two games. But this is
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Speaker 2: not your Mark Stoops Kentucky team. This is Will Stein
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Speaker 2: coming in with a swagger, an offensive identity, and he's
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Speaker 2: got a quarterback. Kenny Menchie, eight touchdowns to only one
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Speaker 2: interception so far this year. This Kentucky team looks legit.
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Speaker 2: Their offense looks way better than it did under Mark Stoops.
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Speaker 2: And they got a chance to go in and maybe
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Speaker 2: start the process of ending it for Shane Beamer if
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Speaker 2: South Carolina can't win as a home favorite in this one.
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Speaker 1: I would have South Carolina ranked just ahead of Arkansas
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Speaker 1: if we had power rankings for the SEC. I would
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Speaker 1: have Kentucky right in the middle of the pack right now.
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Speaker 1: They should win this game based on how they've played.
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Speaker 1: He's already suspended a player. beaver has but if they
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Speaker 1: lose this one does that locker room stay tight.
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Speaker 2: No it doesn't yeah and that's another factor in this
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Speaker 2: you're right dylan stewart suspended indefinitely will not play in
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Speaker 2: this game who is a star edge rusher for south
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Speaker 2: carolina game number seven let's stay in the sec auburn
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Speaker 2: unranked this is where i want my algorithm to give
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Speaker 2: me a ranking for everyone to tell us if yeah
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Speaker 2: auburn is 28th or 38th or whatever their rank but
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Speaker 2: auburn unranked at number 17 and Tennessee, 3.30 Eastern time
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Speaker 2: on ESPN. The Vols, a seven-point favorite. To me, this
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Speaker 2: is all about Tennessee showing something on offense. They lose
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Speaker 2: starting left guard Wendell Moy Jr. for the season in
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Speaker 2: that Texas game. Their offensive line, especially in the interior,
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Speaker 2: was atrocious in that game. They got nothing going in
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Speaker 2: the run game. They got nothing going outside blocking Colin Simmons,
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Speaker 2: who is the best edge rusher in the country. This
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Speaker 2: is the thing about Tennessee and Texas. You're not going
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Speaker 2: to see a defense better than Texas this year if
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Speaker 2: you're Tennessee. They are elite at every single level, and
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Speaker 2: they worked over Tennessee well. How do they respond? Auburn
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Speaker 2: has some deficiencies on both lines of scrimmage so far
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Speaker 2: this year. Can Tennessee run the football? I'm not saying
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Speaker 2: grow for 300 the way they were against Georgia Tech
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Speaker 2: and against Kennesaw State and Furman, but can they go
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Speaker 2: for 150-plus in this game? I think if they can
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Speaker 2: do that, they're not going to have any problems with Auburn.
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Speaker 2: And the storyline, though, Hutton, from a personal standpoint, is
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Speaker 2: it's the return of Alex Golish, who many Vols fans
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Speaker 2: say the offense has not been the same since he
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Speaker 2: left after the 2021-2022 run. And it's the return of
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Speaker 2: Tim Banks, who was the reason Tennessee wasn't better than
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Speaker 2: they were a year ago. Because they had a great offense,
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Speaker 2: maybe the best in the SEC last year, and they
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Speaker 2: couldn't stop anybody. So Josh Heupel fired Tim Banks. Now
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Speaker 2: he's the defensive coordinator at Auburn. I'm fascinated by this matchup.
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Speaker 2: Tennessee going with those Neyland Tribute smoky gray uniforms. Midfield
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Speaker 2: has an old school UT logo. JT has sent me
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Speaker 2: something that looks like a Rorschach test that he says
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Speaker 2: is a pumpkin and a ghost that I just can't
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Speaker 2: even see what he's saying in it. Yeah, I don't
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Speaker 2: know what he's going with that. I think it looks great.
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Speaker 2: I'm at TeamRankings.com.
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Speaker 1: They have Auburn as ranked 27th right now.
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Speaker 2: There you go. There you go. So, look, this is
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Speaker 2: a close game, right? 27 versus number 17 nationally from
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Speaker 2: what we've seen right now. Here's the bottom line. Tennessee
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Speaker 2: needs to win this game. You've got to find a
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Speaker 2: way to win this one. Then you get to Arkansas,
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Speaker 2: and then you give yourselves a chance in two weeks
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Speaker 2: against Alabama. But you've got to win this one first.
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Speaker 2: And this is a very important game for those Tennessee
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Speaker 2: coaches and players going up against their former coach, Alex Golish. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I think they will. Yeah. It's– I think it's going
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Speaker 2: to be close, but I like Tennessee in this matchup, too.
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Speaker 2: Game number six. Let's go to the ACC. Pittsburgh at
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Speaker 2: Virginia Tech. The Hokies, a two-and-a-half-point favorite. This game's at
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Speaker 2: 7 o'clock tonight. We've got a good Friday night slate
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Speaker 2: of games on ESPN. Hokies are the nation's best in
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Speaker 2: sacks with 17 on the year. James Franklin teams, they
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Speaker 2: like to heat people up. They blitz a lot. On
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Speaker 2: the flip side, Pitt's defense has been very salty this
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Speaker 2: year and normally is under Pat Narduzzi, but Ethan Gruntmeyer,
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Speaker 2: The Penn State transfer, now starting quarterback for Virginia Tech,
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Speaker 2: he's a dink and dunk guy. So how do they
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Speaker 2: combat that with Pitt, who's also going to get after
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Speaker 2: the quarterback? Is that going to be an advantage for
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Speaker 2: Virginia Tech? Hudson, we've got a pair of undefeated teams
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Speaker 2: in this game when Pitt and Virginia Tech play. I've
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Speaker 2: been scrolling. I can't find Virginia Tech. I don't know
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Speaker 2: if they've left them out or if I just can't. read.
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Speaker 1: I'm taking Virginia Tech at home.
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Speaker 2: Two and a half point favorite for the Hokies. I
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Speaker 2: like that as well. Game number five. Penn State at Northwestern.
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Speaker 2: Penn State a two and a half point favorite. 7 p.m.
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Speaker 2: Eastern time tonight. Another great Friday game on Fox. $ 875 million.
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Speaker 2: That's the number. That's the number. That's the price that
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Speaker 2: Northwestern spent to renovate Ryan field. This is essentially a
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Speaker 2: brand new stadium, but it's deemed a renovation and a
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Speaker 2: grand opening. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They've been waiting a while
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Speaker 2: for this. Ryan field is a really old stadium. One
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Speaker 2: of the older ones in college football. And this is
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Speaker 2: the renovation for two years in the making this renovation. Um,
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Speaker 2: Here's the problem with Northwestern and Penn State tonight. I
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Speaker 2: like Northwestern. It was either my lock or our parlay
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Speaker 2: or something this week. I get them all confused. But
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Speaker 2: I like Northwestern. I'm betting the money line. Penn State
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Speaker 2: leads the nation in third down stops. 19.2% they're allowing.
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Speaker 2: That's a crazy stat of how good Matt Campbell's team
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Speaker 2: has been on defense. But Aiden Childs has been terrific
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Speaker 2: for Northwestern. 75% passing, five touchdowns. And this is not
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Speaker 2: against nobodies. This is against Colorado and Indiana. the last
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Speaker 2: two weeks. He's completed 75% of his passes. The Michigan
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Speaker 2: State transfer for the Northwestern Wildcats has been really good
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Speaker 2: this year. Can he lead them to victory at home tonight?
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Speaker 2: Friday night football on Fox and the Big Ten. I
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Speaker 2: like Northwestern in this game. Chad, your next matchup is
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Speaker 2: really the first test for Miami.
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Speaker 3: It is.
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Speaker 2: Number four, Miami. The Hurricanes, a 16.5 point favorite at Clemson,
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Speaker 2: 7.30 Eastern time on ABC. Look at the ACC. And ABC, hey,
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Speaker 2: not an SEC game in primetime at night. Bravo, ACC,
11:49
Speaker 2: get it done. Atlantic Coast Conference, finally you have produced
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Speaker 2: a game that the Disney Corporation deems that America wants
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Speaker 2: to see in primetime for the first time this year. Clemson,
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Speaker 2: 2-0 in the ACC. They had 48 carries for 257
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Speaker 2: yards against Cal. They've got the ground game going. They've
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Speaker 2: got to find something in the passing game with Tate
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Speaker 2: Reynolds if they're going to pull off this upset against Miami.
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Speaker 2: Flip side, Darian Mensah has looked incredible for Miami. I'm
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Speaker 2: with you, Hutton. I think the biggest test so far
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Speaker 2: for Miami. And also, this is a... I mean, the
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Speaker 2: Undertaker meme coming out of the casket, this is that
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Speaker 2: for Dabo Sweeney. Wow, that's a great way to say it.
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Speaker 2: I mean, after that first week, everyone's clowning him for
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Speaker 2: his quotes and everything else. They beat North Carolina. They
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Speaker 2: get an under-the-radar good win against Cal, and they look
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Speaker 2: good in that game. If they beat Miami in this game,
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Speaker 2: I mean, you are going to have Pastor Dabo preaching
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Speaker 2: from the pulpit.
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Speaker 1: Oh, he's going to look at the reporter and say,
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Speaker 1: are you still keeping count.
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Speaker 2: Of our wins? I'm assuming this is Holly Roe. On
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Speaker 2: the sideline, too. So he's going to go up to
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Speaker 2: Holly Rowan. He's going to be ready to preach the
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Speaker 2: gospel of Clemson football if they can rise from the
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Speaker 2: dead and beat Miami in this game. Miami's averaged more
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Speaker 2: than 51 points per game to start the season. That's
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Speaker 2: been their opponents. Incredible. Incredible. Game number three. We're going
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Speaker 2: to talk to Ingo Martin next. He knows a thing
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Speaker 2: or two about the Florida Gators. That's where he started
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Speaker 2: his college career. Number eight, Florida. A five-and-a-half point favorite
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Speaker 2: at number 25, Missouri. 3.30 Eastern time on ABC. Because
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Speaker 2: of Jaden Ball and the rushing attack, Aaron Filo is 72%
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Speaker 2: completion percentage, averaging 14.6 yards per completion. That's high school-like.
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Speaker 2: We've seen teams in high school, I feel like covering
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Speaker 2: Alcoa teams in the past in the state championship, they
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Speaker 2: throw it seven times a game for an average of
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Speaker 2: 38 yards per completion because they run, run, run, run, run, run, run,
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Speaker 2: and then they pop it over the top for a
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Speaker 2: big play. That's been Florida's offense this year so far.
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Speaker 2: Austin Simmons on the flip side for Missouri, He passed
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Speaker 2: for 300 yards and three TDs versus Mississippi State, a
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Speaker 2: good one in the SEC. Staying with the SEC, game
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Speaker 2: number two, number seven Alabama, a six-point favorite at number
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Speaker 2: 16 Mississippi State, noon Eastern, 11 a.m. Central on ABC.
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Speaker 2: Kamario Taylor a week ago, 360, three touchdowns versus Missouri.
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Speaker 2: How about Keelan Russell for Alabama? Let's put him in
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Speaker 2: the Heisman conversation. If we're going 10 deep on that
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Speaker 2: list that we showed you for September, he's absolutely in it.
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Speaker 2: Keelan Russell, 71% completion percentage, 168 yards rushing, leading the
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Speaker 2: fourth best offense in college football for Keelan DeBoer and
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Speaker 2: Ryan Grubb and Alabama. That Alabama offense, very, very good.
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Speaker 2: Really good matchup in Starkville. This is a validation game
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Speaker 2: for both programs this season and for both quarterbacks. I
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Speaker 2: totally agree. And it's a huge quarterback matchup in this one, too.
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Speaker 2: We talked about the underrated Kamario Taylor versus Austin Simmons
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Speaker 2: a week ago. This is even more big time with
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Speaker 2: Keelan Russell. Two guys that could put themselves. Kamario Taylor's there.
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Speaker 2: Keelan Russell can announce himself in the Heisman conversation big
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Speaker 2: time with a big road performance and a win over
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Speaker 2: Mississippi State. If this is a shootout, which I think
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Speaker 2: it will be, by the way, especially whoever wins this shootout.
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Speaker 2: Game number one. Number five, Ohio State, JT's Buckeyes, a
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Speaker 2: 14.5-point favorite at number 14, Iowa. 3.30 Eastern time, 2.30
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Speaker 2: Central on CBS. Iowa, number one in the nation in
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Speaker 2: scoring defense, no surprise with the Hawkeyes and how they
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Speaker 2: play it. But they've yet to see Julian Sane and
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Speaker 2: Jeremiah Smith and Ohio State. Here is the inherent problem
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Speaker 2: with the Big Ten also. This is a giant game.
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Speaker 2: ESPN College game day is in Iowa City for the
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Speaker 2: first time in years. This is the primetime game. 3.30 Eastern,
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Speaker 2: CBS matchup for that conference. It's over a two-touchdown point spread. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: With the road team being favored. That's the issue. That's
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Speaker 2: the issue with this conference. It's way too top-heavy. Jeremiah
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Speaker 2: Smith is going to be the issue in this game. Yes.
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Speaker 1: He's the difference in Iowa being able to make Ohio
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Speaker 1: State drive the field. Because this dude can just go off.
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Speaker 1: And I think he continues that dominance. Speaking of a
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Speaker 2: Huge story out there. It's big in the state of Tennessee.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, has high school football lost its way? We'll ask
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Speaker 1: That's right. Not Davey Crockett. Coach Eagle Martin joins us.
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Speaker 1: This is a story that's happening right here in our
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Speaker 1: backyard of Nashville where we're based, but it's a discussion
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Speaker 1: and a topic across the country right now with high
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Speaker 1: school football.
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Speaker 2: Eagle, good to see you, man. Hope things are well.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for having me on. I got to say something.
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Speaker 3: I don't really appreciate the logo of the Crockett coffee.
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Speaker 3: There's nowhere in history where Davy Crockett stood on top
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Speaker 3: of a gator. So I feel like that's kind of targeting.
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Speaker 2: He's surfing. Are you claiming that we're being historically inaccurate here?
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Speaker 2: I am.
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Speaker 3: I don't know if I appreciate that logo. That's changing history.
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Speaker 2: Oh, man. It's what we do. You can't get in
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Speaker 2: the way of a good story, right? You got to
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Speaker 2: tell a good story. That's right. Yeah, man.
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Speaker 1: So, how long has today's decision of CPA going into pit?
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Speaker 2: How long has this been in the works?
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Speaker 3: Uh, I, you know, I don't know. I think, you know,
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Speaker 3: probably the, the, the conversations have been going for some time. Um,
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Speaker 3: you know, I'm kind of a different perspective. Uh, 1997
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Speaker 3: was my freshman year at NBA here in Nashville. Um,
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Speaker 3: division two started that year. Uh, we, we played father
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Speaker 3: Ryan in the state championship, father Ryan won the state championship. Um,
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Speaker 3: and that was the first year that, that the split happened.
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Speaker 3: And so, you know, you're looking at whatever that is,
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Speaker 3: 30 years of, of history of this, um, prior to 1997,
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Speaker 3: private schools in Tennessee were allowed four kids on financial
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Speaker 3: aid for, uh, you can go look, there's schools now
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Speaker 3: giving over five, $ 5 million in aid. Um, So it's
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Speaker 3: just this exponential growth. And you guys said it in
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Speaker 3: your lead-in. What we're just asking is, is there a
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Speaker 3: place for schools in Tennessee to continue a traditional high
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Speaker 3: school model where kids go to school from 7.30 to
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Speaker 3: 3 o'clock, where kids get to play three sports? I've
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Speaker 3: had kids that I've coached that have been the lead.
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Speaker 3: in the play, that have been the guy that's the
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Speaker 3: drummer in the band, kids that sing the national anthem before.
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Speaker 3: All of those things, in our opinion, is good for
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Speaker 3: a kid. They call these the formative years for a
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Speaker 3: reason because kids are learning different things that are going
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Speaker 3: to help them the rest of their life. The honest
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Speaker 3: truth is that I think I'd hope to push against
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Speaker 3: in anybody's argument is that I believe as somebody who's
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Speaker 3: been deeply impacted by the game of football, right? My
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Speaker 3: family did not have money to send me to college.
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Speaker 3: Football paid for my college. Football paid for the house
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Speaker 3: that I live in now. I'm not arguing that football
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Speaker 3: and what it can give people is not warranted, right?
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Speaker 3: I'm all for that. I've got a 16-year-old son who worked.
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Speaker 3: We've been to Clemson, we were at Georgia last week,
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Speaker 3: and we're going to Ohio State. His dream is to
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Speaker 3: be playing at one of those schools and everything that
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Speaker 3: it can afford him for his future wife and kids.
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Speaker 3: And so I think what we're saying is in Tennessee
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Speaker 3: private schools, is there a way that we can go
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Speaker 3: and play with the kids that are in our community,
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Speaker 3: play with the kids that go through a normal, transparent process,
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Speaker 3: and really provide a place that if the schools want
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Speaker 3: to operate like a Power 4 program, You know, I
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Speaker 3: mentioned it. So, you know, this is something I've been
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Speaker 3: talking about for a couple of years. We need to
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Speaker 3: have the infinity league, you know, like infinity scholarships, infinity recruiting.
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Speaker 3: Go do it. If you want college football at the
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Speaker 3: high school level, go do it. My sister and my
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Speaker 3: brother-in-law work at IMG in Florida.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I think that's a great opportunity for families.
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Speaker 3: I just think, you know, Tennessee high school football, we
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Speaker 3: are we are hoping is for the kid. that is
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Speaker 3: going to be a lawyer, going to be a doctor
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Speaker 3: that's not dreaming of just going to college and playing
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Speaker 3: pro football. And so when I got hired 16 years ago,
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Speaker 3: it occurred to me every team that I was on
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Speaker 3: was trying to get us all ready for the NFL.
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Speaker 3: That's just not what the numbers say. And so when
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Speaker 3: I got here, like we talked about flipping it. So
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Speaker 3: let's treat all these kids like they're going to be
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Speaker 3: husbands and fathers and doctors and teachers and radio hosts.
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Speaker 3: rather than all of them are going to be pro
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Speaker 3: football players. And if they make it to the NFL,
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Speaker 3: that's the icing on the cake. If they make it
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Speaker 3: to UT, that's the icing on the cake.
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Speaker 1: And you had a great op-ed with the Tennessean, and
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Speaker 1: I encourage people to go read it, about a character
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Speaker 1: raising boys into men. I would say, you know, you
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Speaker 1: mentioned the 99% of the players.
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Speaker 2: You were the 1%, you know, like....
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Speaker 1: You're drafted by the Packers. You play at Florida. You
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Speaker 1: play at NBA. You end up with the Titans. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you are the 1%. When did it hit you that
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Speaker 1: this shouldn't be about win at all costs, so to speak?
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Speaker 3: When you go to the NFL and you're there and
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Speaker 3: everyone that's in the NFL knows that it stands for
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Speaker 3: not for long. So if I got in my wildest dreams–
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Speaker 3: which would have been $ 50 million in the bank, 10
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Speaker 3: years in the NFL. I would have been 33 years old.
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Speaker 3: I would have had a five-year-old and a three-year-old son,
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Speaker 3: and I would have had the rest of my life
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Speaker 3: to go learn. If the only thing I learned through
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Speaker 3: sports was how to read a defense, how to get
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Speaker 3: the most out of my teammates, then I think the
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Speaker 3: bar is too low, right? The bar is too low
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Speaker 3: for what football can offer. And so our hope is, again–
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Speaker 3: If a kid is good enough, I believe that God
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Speaker 3: has more to do with a kid playing Power 4
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Speaker 3: football than where you go to high school or who
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Speaker 3: you compete against. Just go look at highlight films across
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Speaker 3: the country of the five-star kids. Most of them aren't
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Speaker 3: at IMG. Most of them are at their county school,
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Speaker 3: their local school, playing with the guys that they played
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Speaker 3: T-ball with. And so it's just, we're pushing back on
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Speaker 3: everyone's got to go. You got to be on the
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Speaker 3: best team. You got to go do all this stuff.
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Speaker 3: I mean, there was a great post. Someone sent me
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Speaker 3: from a guy in Memphis. It was awesome. But essentially,
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Speaker 3: we have to look at what we are chasing, right?
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Speaker 3: Like as a culture, when 12-year-olds are getting paid to
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Speaker 3: go play baseball tournaments for a team across the country. Like,
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Speaker 3: what are we doing? When basketball players that are 14
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Speaker 3: years old are getting their whole family flown across the
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Speaker 3: country by Nike or Adidas, what are we doing? And again,
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Speaker 3: I'm all for it. If you can go do it,
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Speaker 3: LeBron James, right? Like if you're that kid, but I'd
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Speaker 3: argue that's the one in a billion, right? LeBron, and
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Speaker 3: he played football until his junior year for the record.
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Speaker 3: You know, we're just hoping that that can still exist
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Speaker 3: in the state of Tennessee, in, private school football in Tennessee.
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Speaker 2: So, full disclosure, I serve on the board of a
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Speaker 2: very small private school in Middle Tennessee, and a lot
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Speaker 2: of the talk with the TWSAA has been trying to
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Speaker 2: not move up in classification because our small private schools
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Speaker 2: simply cannot compete with, let's say, a Trent Dilfer and
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Speaker 2: Lipscomb Academy if they're in the same classification. It's just
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Speaker 2: not in the stratosphere of what would be right for
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Speaker 2: the players at our small private school, right? How much
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Speaker 2: of this angle is, we're talking about the upper, upper
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Speaker 2: echelon of 1%, a DGG at Baylor. When you see
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Speaker 2: that in a player who was from Canada that's now
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Speaker 2: in a boarding school, does that create, and I'm trying
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Speaker 2: to ask this in a way that doesn't sound like,
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Speaker 2: oh my gosh, people are making excuses, this and that,
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Speaker 2: you're being weak or whatever, but does it create a
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Speaker 2: safety concern at some point when you see a guy
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Speaker 2: that looks like Bo Jackson that's so different from everybody
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Speaker 2: else in high school football?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think, again, my senior year, the 2000
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Speaker 3: football season, CPA won the single-A state title. It had
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Speaker 3: six kids that went on to play college football. All
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Speaker 3: six were kindergartners at CPA, right? It just was one
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Speaker 3: in a whatever class. I've been around this game my
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Speaker 3: whole life. I think what we're trying to avoid with
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Speaker 3: the transfer portal and all this kind of stuff is,
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Speaker 3: roster construction. There's got to be some limit. If you're
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Speaker 3: moving a kid in here in June that leaves again
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Speaker 3: in December for a senior year to simply play a
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Speaker 3: position for you that is a position of need, I
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Speaker 3: would argue that is more like college football than it
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Speaker 3: is like high school football. And all I think we're
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Speaker 3: saying is if you want to do that, that's awesome.
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Speaker 3: Go do it. But I think the schools that have
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Speaker 3: all selected to play a non-region schedule are all saying,
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Speaker 3: our mission here is more important than our athletic program.
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Speaker 3: What we're doing in education is more important than what
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Speaker 3: we're doing in athletics. And at CPA, the mission is
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Speaker 3: simply to help families and kids come to know who
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Speaker 3: God is. We want to do that without having to
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Speaker 3: sacrifice all the kids that are here. We've got some
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Speaker 3: unbelievable kids. We've got several kids that are going to
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Speaker 3: go play college football off of this year's team, we
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Speaker 3: had two kids in NFL training camps. I don't think
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Speaker 3: where you go to high school is going to make
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Speaker 3: or break whether or not you're going to go to
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Speaker 3: the NFL. Again, if God touches you, if you get
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Speaker 3: hit with the genetic lottery, you're going to go. If
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Speaker 3: you're 6'5 and run a 4'4, you're going to be
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Speaker 3: the guy that's number nine for Georgia that we watched
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Speaker 3: last week in the inside linebacker cold. That kid's a freak.
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Speaker 3: London Humphreys, who played for us, starting receiver at Georgia,
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Speaker 3: he's a freak. As a sophomore, he had the 11th
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Speaker 3: longest broad jump if he had been in the NFL
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Speaker 3: combine as a 15-year-old.
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Speaker 2: Wow. That's a freak.
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Speaker 3: Most of us aren't freaks. And so football, and you
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Speaker 3: can read about it, what we talked about in that
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Speaker 3: op-ed was football provides so much more, and what really
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Speaker 3: provides those opportunities is time to be with kids. not
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Speaker 3: bringing kids in for six months to use them to
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Speaker 3: win a football game so that for what? And again,
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Speaker 3: to your argument, Chad, a good Friday night for us
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Speaker 3: is a $ 20, 000 gate. There's just not the money in it.
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Speaker 3: So if you want to argue the money piece, if
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Speaker 3: you want to argue the safety piece, I think the
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Speaker 3: biggest thing is if you're constructing a roster and you're
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Speaker 3: operating like a college, you should want to go play
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Speaker 3: other teams that are operating like that. And so that's
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Speaker 3: really what we're talking about.
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Speaker 2: So, and for those that aren't familiar that maybe aren't
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Speaker 2: in the state of Tennessee with the structure, Division II
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Speaker 2: is private school classification in the state. And in football,
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Speaker 2: there's a 1A, a 2A, and a 3A of various
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Speaker 2: sizes of schools. 3A being the biggest, 3A including teams
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Speaker 2: that we're talking about that would be in this theoretical
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Speaker 2: infinity league. Is the solution here simple for the TSSAA
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Speaker 2: angle in that you could just simply take right now
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Speaker 2: the other schools, Christian Brothers, MUS, Chattanooga Christian, whoever else
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Speaker 2: is left to go to an independent schedule and put
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Speaker 2: those teams together and maybe a few others and create
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Speaker 2: a new classification system? within Division II? Is that what
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Speaker 2: the solution should look like for the TWSAA?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, first of all, Mark Reeves in the TWSAA,
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Speaker 3: Mark is a good man who I've been blessed to
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Speaker 3: know for the 16 years I've been here. Again, growing
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Speaker 3: up in Nashville, being a part of the TWSAA, there
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Speaker 3: have been some unbelievably good people that have been called
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Speaker 3: into leadership here. Your answer to your question is, no,
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Speaker 3: this isn't simple. If it was simple, I believe Mark
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Speaker 3: and the team at Blessed Blade would have already settled it.
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Speaker 3: I think the biggest thing is getting everyone in a room,
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Speaker 3: and we do have clear rules here about things. The
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Speaker 3: question is operationally and how people interpret the rules. I
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Speaker 3: don't really think people are going out saying, We're going
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Speaker 3: to break the rules. I just think people have a
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Speaker 3: different way of viewing them. But again, high school football,
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Speaker 3: I don't know because I haven't done any research, but
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Speaker 3: I don't know, to answer your question, I don't know
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Speaker 3: how many Canadians are playing in Division I. That would
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Speaker 3: be a good question to ask. How many Canadians are
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Speaker 3: playing football in the 1-6A in Division I in Tennessee?
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Speaker 3: And so, again, if you're operating like a college.
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Speaker 2: I think the number is low. I'm going to go ahead.
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Speaker 3: And guess that I would say it's low, but never zero.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 3: I don't know. But we just need to look at it.
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Speaker 3: We have a lot of smart people here in our state.
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Speaker 3: We've got a lot of people that are that are
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Speaker 3: trying to do the right thing. And to your question
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Speaker 3: about if it's simple, I just think most of the
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Speaker 3: private schools in Tennessee want to stick to their mission
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Speaker 3: and don't want to be a part, in my opinion,
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Speaker 3: of a race to the bottom.
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Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 3: I don't think what is happening in college football right
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Speaker 3: now should be the example for all of us in
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Speaker 3: high school sports. If it is, I believe in our country, right?
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Speaker 3: Like it's a free country. It's a capitalist country. Like
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Speaker 3: let's do it. Let's just put those schools that are
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Speaker 3: operating that way together. But no, like again, football has
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Speaker 3: given me so much. I'm so thankful for the opportunities.
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Speaker 3: I mean, even thinking about the men that I've met,
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Speaker 3: Dustin Wilson, head coach at Springfield. That's a guy that's
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Speaker 3: doing things the right way. Tony Bernetti here in Metro
31:29
Speaker 3: Nashville at Pearl Cone. Tony is fighting for these kids.
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Speaker 3: His whole mission is to help get these kids to
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Speaker 3: college so that they can go better in their lives.
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Speaker 3: That's who we need to be celebrating, in my opinion,
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Speaker 3: rather than the ones who are constructing rosters and operating
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Speaker 3: like it's college football when our rules are clear, you
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Speaker 3: can't operate it like that.
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Speaker 1: From your perspective, Ingle, how much of this is tampering
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Speaker 1: and just the recruitment of this? I'm not trying to
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Speaker 1: make this Clemson versus Ole Miss, but like Warren County,
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Speaker 1: where I went to high school, they went to a
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Speaker 1: non-region season. They're winning games. They did it so they
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Speaker 1: could actually win games. They were playing Riverdale, Oakland, Blackman
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Speaker 1: every year. I won four games my high school career total.
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Speaker 1: So like they're winning. The school spirit's up, but I'm
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Speaker 1: guessing like, you know, from your perspective, you're already winning games,
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Speaker 1: you know, you're state champs and all that. Like, so
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out, like, there's different reasons for
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Speaker 1: different teams doing this, right?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and again, I think it's the exponential growth the
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Speaker 3: last couple of years of this model. And so we're
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Speaker 3: hoping that these opportunities don't dry up in our league for, again,
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Speaker 3: a kid that wants to go to basketball next season
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Speaker 3: or play baseball or play lacrosse or, like, we would
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Speaker 3: love a kid to be able to experience all these things.
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Speaker 3: You know, I don't know, you know, to speak on,
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Speaker 3: you know, tampering or any of that. Like, I don't,
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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't want to, I don't want to, again,
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Speaker 3: I think people read the rules differently. But I do
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Speaker 3: think that, that the opportunity that we have is tied
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Speaker 3: back to our mission. You know, winning takes care of itself.
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Speaker 3: You know, I think that the biggest thing is we
33:13
Speaker 3: have an opportunity here. to hopefully get some conversations started. Um,
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Speaker 3: and it's, this is not easy, right? My son is
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Speaker 3: a junior. He's going to be a senior, my son's
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Speaker 3: senior year. We're going to be playing a non-region schedule.
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Speaker 3: My younger son will be a freshman. Like I'm not
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Speaker 3: just entering this as a coach and administrator who is
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Speaker 3: out of touch. Like my family is directly impacted by this. Um,
33:35
Speaker 3: but I believe that, that, you know, for me, that
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Speaker 3: what is going to happen in my boy's life's Much
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Speaker 3: more of it is what they're going to experience in
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Speaker 3: the locker room and the coaches that they're around rather
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Speaker 3: than them learning how to block or tackle or who
33:51
Speaker 3: they're competing against, all that kind of stuff. And that's what,
33:53
Speaker 3: you know, we went to Tupelo, Mississippi, played the number
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Speaker 3: one team in Mississippi this year. We went to Moeller
33:58
Speaker 3: in Ohio. Like, there's good football all over the place.
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Speaker 3: And there's nothing, I'm not, bashing anybody. Go do it.
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Speaker 3: We're just trying to say that in Tennessee, there are
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Speaker 3: clear rules. Let's have a real conversation about it. Let's
34:13
Speaker 3: start looking at how do we make this thing, again,
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Speaker 3: where a kid that wants to play three sports or
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Speaker 3: be the lead in the play, he has an opportunity
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Speaker 3: to do it. And there's not this pressure that says,
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Speaker 3: if you don't get six linemen that are 6'6, 300 pounds,
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Speaker 3: you probably aren't going to get on the field. And
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Speaker 3: so numbers are dropping because I believe people are operating
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Speaker 3: like this. And so if you're a kid that's a 5'11,
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Speaker 3: 205-pound kid, you know, it's tough anywhere to get on
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Speaker 3: the field because of all this pressure. Oh, you got
34:44
Speaker 3: to go win. You got to go win. And I
34:46
Speaker 3: think our argument is at what cost, you know, at
34:49
Speaker 3: what cost? I got a call from a guy in
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Speaker 3: Little Rock, Arkansas yesterday. Arkansas is in a similar kind
34:56
Speaker 3: of predicament. They've got, you know, eight of their ten
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Speaker 3: private schools that play football in you know, they're all
35:02
Speaker 3: playing against 7A schools because of a multiplier. And so
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Speaker 3: at some point, like we all have to talk about it, Oklahoma,
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Speaker 3: their private schools just sued about kind of these kind
35:15
Speaker 3: of questions that everyone faces. Florida just started something that
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Speaker 3: I think is pretty good. Doesn't matter if you're public, private,
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Speaker 3: single A, triple A, 7A, you know, if you're in
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Speaker 3: the top 16 at the end of the year, you
35:27
Speaker 3: go into a different bracket for football. So I just
35:29
Speaker 3: think there's a way to create some parity. That's what
35:32
Speaker 3: we're all looking for. There's a reason why Swanee does
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Speaker 3: not play Tennessee anymore. You know, Swanee at some point said, Hey,
35:40
Speaker 3: we're going to look at this a different way. The
35:42
Speaker 3: Ivy leagues, they got more money than, than anybody. They
35:46
Speaker 3: have all come together and said, Hey, we're not going
35:48
Speaker 3: to give merit based aid and athletics. It's all need
35:51
Speaker 3: based aid. And they have a band system where that's
35:54
Speaker 3: how kids qualify for the aid and, and they go
35:56
Speaker 3: compete against like-minded schools. So that's all we're, we're trying
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Speaker 3: to say is like, let's get like-minded schools together.
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Speaker 2: You know, no one's going to cry over the wealthy.
36:05
Speaker 2: I understand that. You went to NBA. Clay, Travis, our founder,
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Speaker 2: he's got a son playing at NBA right now. And
36:13
Speaker 2: we recently had this conversation with him about it. If
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Speaker 2: you are a third generation NBA or Baylor student, you know, parent,
36:23
Speaker 2: and your kid is going to that school and you're
36:25
Speaker 2: paying full tuition, I do think it brings up an
36:28
Speaker 2: interesting dilemma when these schools will then go and recruit
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Speaker 2: players from all over internationally, not just in the country,
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Speaker 2: and then your child does not have the opportunity to play,
36:39
Speaker 2: but you win all the time, right? You're going to
36:41
Speaker 2: win state titles, and you're going to be a part
36:42
Speaker 2: of a team that does that. I don't know what
36:44
Speaker 2: the answer is to that, and we'd have to ask
36:46
Speaker 2: the Baylor parents or parents at another school about that, Engel,
36:50
Speaker 2: but just as a dad that you are, a guy
36:52
Speaker 2: who played at a really great private school and went
36:54
Speaker 2: there also, what does that do to you as a
36:58
Speaker 2: parent if you see those things happening and is it
37:00
Speaker 2: a case by case basis?
37:02
Speaker 3: Yeah, I certainly think it's case by case. I would,
37:06
Speaker 3: I would tell parents to, especially in high school again,
37:10
Speaker 3: like don't, don't let fear drive your decision.
37:14
Speaker 2: Right.
37:14
Speaker 3: Again, the freedom is that God's got more to do
37:17
Speaker 3: with it than where, Oh my gosh, I got to
37:20
Speaker 3: have them at this spot. Like have them around good people,
37:23
Speaker 3: have them around somewhere where he's going to get to
37:25
Speaker 3: work out and reach whatever that potential is because college
37:28
Speaker 3: football will be there if that's what you want. But
37:32
Speaker 3: you know, for, for, for NBA, like, I haven't been
37:36
Speaker 3: a part of that school since 2001. Obviously got friends
37:39
Speaker 3: that are a part of it. I've got as much
37:41
Speaker 3: respect for Montgomeryville Academy as I do anybody in the
37:44
Speaker 3: state because of what it offered me as a student.
37:48
Speaker 3: But I promise you, my athletics was not put ahead
37:52
Speaker 3: of my academics or doing the right thing. There were
37:56
Speaker 3: lots of men that poured into me that reminded me
37:59
Speaker 3: of that daily. And so that's what we're trying to
38:02
Speaker 3: do at CPA, right? You're who you are. Your identity
38:05
Speaker 3: is not in scoring touchdowns or, you know, even getting
38:09
Speaker 3: into Princeton or whatever your goal is academically. Your identity
38:13
Speaker 3: is in something much bigger than that. And I think
38:15
Speaker 3: that's what we're hoping, right? Like these kids, I don't
38:19
Speaker 3: care if you're the worst player on the roster or
38:21
Speaker 3: the best player on the roster, you're all actually in
38:25
Speaker 3: the Lord's eyes, right? Like, and I don't mean to
38:27
Speaker 3: get religious here, but but you're all equal. You all
38:30
Speaker 3: have a great opportunity as a husband, as a father.
38:33
Speaker 3: And this idea that we're all enemies in high school,
38:36
Speaker 3: that's a farce, right? All these guys in middle Tennessee
38:39
Speaker 3: are going to be doing business together, going to host
38:41
Speaker 3: radio shows together. You don't have to be an enemy.
38:44
Speaker 3: Let's go compete, but let's compete with integrity. And again,
38:49
Speaker 3: I've been so blessed with my time here. There's a guy,
38:52
Speaker 3: Randy Heron, who's been pouring into myself and all of
38:55
Speaker 3: our coaches for 16 years here. But He gave me
38:58
Speaker 3: a book called Season of Life when I was playing
39:00
Speaker 3: for the Kansas City Chiefs. And it changed my whole
39:03
Speaker 3: paradigm of what sports can be. And so as a
39:07
Speaker 3: 25-year-old in my third year in the NFL, I started
39:11
Speaker 3: for the first time thinking about, man, there's a power
39:14
Speaker 3: here that maybe we're not tapping into. And then just
39:18
Speaker 3: as my path went, I'm 28, get hired as a
39:22
Speaker 3: first-time head coach at CPA. And it's like, all right,
39:25
Speaker 3: I think we can do something different here. And that's
39:28
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. There are so many people in the
39:30
Speaker 3: state of Tennessee and all over the country that are
39:32
Speaker 3: in high school football for the right reasons. Nobody coaches
39:36
Speaker 3: high school football to be rich and famous. I don't believe. Right.
39:40
Speaker 3: I think we're losing some of that because I do
39:42
Speaker 3: think people have some ego that's getting involved. But most
39:46
Speaker 3: of us are coming here because we're called to do it.
39:49
Speaker 3: because we love pouring into these 15 to 18 year olds.
39:52
Speaker 3: We love the camaraderie. We love the development. All of
39:55
Speaker 3: us had people that believed in us as, as 15, 16,
39:59
Speaker 3: 17 year olds that said, Hey, you got more potential
40:01
Speaker 3: inside of you than you're showing right now. Right now.
40:04
Speaker 3: And it rarely has anything to do with your athletic ability.
40:08
Speaker 3: All of those conversations that happened to me were around
40:10
Speaker 3: character or around hard work around doing the right thing.
40:13
Speaker 3: It wasn't about You should have looked here on the
40:16
Speaker 3: first read. No, it was about all the things that
40:18
Speaker 3: football teaches you. I told our team yesterday, I believe
40:21
Speaker 3: football is the greatest sport in America and in the
40:23
Speaker 3: world because of the adversity that you face. No other sport,
40:28
Speaker 3: no matter how good you are, do you get knocked
40:29
Speaker 3: down and you got to learn how to get back up.
40:32
Speaker 3: No other sport says, I can't do this alone. The
40:35
Speaker 3: best player in the country needs 10 other guys with him.
40:37
Speaker 3: DGG is the best player ever in Tennessee that I've seen.
40:41
Speaker 3: He needs 10 other guys to do their job.
40:44
Speaker 2: Right.
40:44
Speaker 3: He's still a great back. But if he doesn't have
40:46
Speaker 3: a great offensive line and great tight ends and great
40:48
Speaker 3: receivers and a great quarterback. And and I think they've
40:50
Speaker 3: got a great coaching staff like football is so beautiful
40:53
Speaker 3: because not only do you need those guys, you need
40:55
Speaker 3: those scout team guys. You need the guys that are
40:57
Speaker 3: pushing you an individual. You need the guys that are
40:59
Speaker 3: pushing you in the weight room. And and that's what
41:01
Speaker 3: football brings is that community aspect. And we're we're simply saying, hey, well,
41:06
Speaker 3: our our school. MUS, Christian Brothers, Father Ryan here locally,
41:12
Speaker 3: like we're saying, hey, we would like to still be
41:14
Speaker 3: able to be a part of this without having to
41:17
Speaker 3: think about building a dormitory or changing our model to
41:22
Speaker 3: start acting like we're a college. That's what we're trying
41:25
Speaker 3: to say. And I think Mark Reeves understands that. I
41:28
Speaker 3: think it's hard. I think there's history with the TWS
41:32
Speaker 3: DeBlay and private schools that goes back to before, you know,
41:36
Speaker 3: I was even thinking about high school coaching. And so
41:39
Speaker 3: all that to say, this isn't easy. Um, but, but
41:41
Speaker 3: our hope is, is that, um, that there is a
41:44
Speaker 3: spot for, for these kids to continue to play, um,
41:48
Speaker 3: and continue to get poured into and continue to have
41:50
Speaker 3: these life experiences that they will be able to touch
41:53
Speaker 3: on when they're a 35 year old first time father
41:56
Speaker 3: trying to pay a mortgage. And they remember, Hey, just
41:59
Speaker 3: as one of our coaches, Trey Adams, our defensive coordinator
42:02
Speaker 3: reminds our kids, When you're in that dark spot, man,
42:04
Speaker 3: just make it to tomorrow. Make it to the morning, right?
42:07
Speaker 3: The sun's going to rise the next day. Those are
42:09
Speaker 3: the lessons that I hope these kids learn. But if
42:11
Speaker 3: they don't think they can get on the field, if
42:13
Speaker 3: they think they compete, then that pushes them to say,
42:15
Speaker 3: I don't know if I can do it. And especially
42:17
Speaker 3: if we're kind of adding to this win-at-all-cost culture.
42:21
Speaker 1: Behind the scenes, I'd love to get fly on the
42:23
Speaker 1: wall as you put together your schedule now.
42:25
Speaker 2: And see what that's like.
42:27
Speaker 3: If you know of anybody, if Warren County is looking
42:30
Speaker 3: for a game, I know Coach Swallow is down there.
42:33
Speaker 3: We'd love to band together, non-region partners.
42:38
Speaker 1: Hey, I want to ask you about the 1%. Was
42:42
Speaker 1: it 2006 you were drafted?
42:43
Speaker 2: 2006.
42:44
Speaker 3: Okay.
42:45
Speaker 1: That's the cloudy draft, Reggie Bush, the Vince Young, and
42:49
Speaker 1: Eagle Mark. And you go into a quarterback room with
42:52
Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers, Brett Favre, Air Rodgers.
42:55
Speaker 2: McCarthy.
42:56
Speaker 1: I'm curious, like what the dynamic we're seeing right now
43:00
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh, where he's yelling across the field to get
43:04
Speaker 1: the effing play in and Thursday night football and it's
43:07
Speaker 1: picking up on the mic. You've got McCarthy saying something
43:09
Speaker 1: back to him. Is that the dynamic that's normal? Are
43:12
Speaker 1: you used to seeing that behind the scenes whenever you play?
43:16
Speaker 2: Yes.
43:16
Speaker 3: So the funny thing is, is as a 23 year
43:20
Speaker 3: old new draft pick, of course, you know who Brett
43:22
Speaker 3: Favre is and You know, he was my favorite player
43:25
Speaker 3: growing up, so I was like, man, this is awesome.
43:28
Speaker 3: And then everyone's saying, what about this Rodgers guy? You know,
43:30
Speaker 3: how good is he? And, you know, after a couple
43:32
Speaker 3: of weeks, people are asking, he's pretty good, man. That
43:35
Speaker 3: guy's accurate. And so to watch that, I do think this.
43:40
Speaker 3: Aaron is one of the most intelligent people I've been around, right?
43:44
Speaker 3: He could have been successful in any vein that he
43:48
Speaker 3: would have walked down, I believe. He has a focus.
43:51
Speaker 3: He has an intellect. He's able to process stuff incredibly.
43:55
Speaker 3: I think Aaron's best comes out when he's around another
43:59
Speaker 3: equally intellectually talented person. Mike McCarthy, being around him for
44:03
Speaker 3: the year and a half I was, I've got nothing
44:05
Speaker 3: but respect for him. The way that he structures practice,
44:08
Speaker 3: the way that he organizes, the way that he communicates
44:11
Speaker 3: is really a lot of how I hope to do things.
44:14
Speaker 3: I think the two of them are a great match.
44:17
Speaker 3: I think you know, it's a, it's a battle of
44:20
Speaker 3: wits between them, right? Like the two of them are bright.
44:23
Speaker 3: They know football, they see things differently. And so I
44:26
Speaker 3: think it's a, it's a cool way for Aaron's career
44:28
Speaker 3: to be ending back kind of where it started. And,
44:31
Speaker 3: and I think both of them will bring out the
44:33
Speaker 3: best in each other, just like they did in Green Bay.
44:35
Speaker 1: Man, think about being 23 and entering the Pittsburgh locker
44:38
Speaker 1: room and seeing that dynamic now, because you don't see
44:40
Speaker 1: that at all.
44:40
Speaker 3: You know, it's, it's unbelievable. And that, that's just a
44:44
Speaker 3: different thing. You know, Brett was in his 16th year
44:46
Speaker 3: when I was there and, Again, the confidence that he
44:49
Speaker 3: walked with, the way that he played, the way that
44:51
Speaker 3: he approached his teammates, the way that he approached practice,
44:55
Speaker 3: just had an uncanny ability to be messing around over
44:58
Speaker 3: here and then snap right into it and throw a
45:00
Speaker 3: dart to somebody on something. And I was like, how
45:02
Speaker 3: did he even see that? But that's the reason he's
45:05
Speaker 3: a Hall of Famer.
45:06
Speaker 1: Hey, man, always good to catch up. And thank you
45:09
Speaker 1: for the perspective and the time today. It was a
45:11
Speaker 1: great chat. And it's a discussion that's going on across
45:14
Speaker 1: the country for sure.
45:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you guys for covering it and giving high
45:19
Speaker 3: school football a voice. We appreciate it.
45:21
Speaker 2: Thank you, Engel. Appreciate you, man. Engel Martin, one of
45:23
Speaker 2: the best dudes right there.
45:25
Speaker 1: Man, the background and the experience with those football careers, exceptional.
45:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just that philosophical question about what is high
45:35
Speaker 2: school football and what should high school sports be, because
45:39
Speaker 2: I think Engel hit on it. Look, there is a
45:40
Speaker 2: lane for everything. Like, if you were that elite– and
45:44
Speaker 2: you get a chance to play at IMG or Baylor
45:47
Speaker 2: or go down those football factories and powerhouses across the country,
45:52
Speaker 2: that's a decision you've got to make as a family
45:54
Speaker 2: if that's what you want. But where's the avenue for
45:57
Speaker 2: everyone else, and are we slotting teams in appropriate categories
46:00
Speaker 2: of who they're competing against? Hun, we got a high
46:03
Speaker 2: school game tonight between Friendship Christian and DCA. Those are
46:06
Speaker 2: two very small private schools. You're going to see in
46:09
Speaker 2: a stadium and see on the rosters– which there's not
46:12
Speaker 2: a ton of players. They can't compete against these other
46:16
Speaker 2: top-level schools that recruit and do all those things. It
46:21
Speaker 2: is interesting about what do you want as a family
46:23
Speaker 2: and what's appropriate for what high school football should be.
46:27
Speaker 2: We're going to post that interview. I hope people go
46:29
Speaker 2: and watch it. It's great for perspective building. I think
46:32
Speaker 2: listening to Engel talk about that is amazing for parents
46:34
Speaker 2: to hear. Because a lot of parents feel like their
46:38
Speaker 2: kid's a D1 prospect when they're not. And I think
46:41
Speaker 2: Engel hit on something. The people that we see on
46:43
Speaker 2: Sundays in the NFL, they are God-touched in some way.
46:48
Speaker 2: They're different. Hutton, you and I grew up playing sports.
46:51
Speaker 2: We know when we came across someone that was simply
46:54
Speaker 2: different than us. Even if we competed at a high
46:57
Speaker 2: level at a good high school and good high school sports...
47:00
Speaker 2: You remember the time you played that AAU team or
47:04
Speaker 2: that football linebacker or whoever it was that was just
47:07
Speaker 2: simply different, and God had blessed them with something that
47:12
Speaker 2: you didn't have growing up as an athlete. Yes, and
47:15
Speaker 2: everybody knows that name, right? Ron Slay. It's someone that
47:20
Speaker 2: I've played against, and I'm like, okay, these guys on
47:23
Speaker 2: this team are different than our guys. It's a good
47:26
Speaker 2: perspective to have. And if you are a hard enough worker,
47:29
Speaker 2: there are enough spots in college football at different levels
47:32
Speaker 2: that if that's in the cards, it's going to be
47:34
Speaker 2: in the cards somewhere. But not everybody's DGG. I mean,
47:38
Speaker 2: you just heard Ingles say the quote. He's the best
47:40
Speaker 2: player I've ever seen in the state of Tennessee. He's incredible.
47:43
Speaker 1: Those players are going to happen. Derrick Henry's going to
47:46
Speaker 1: run roughshod over the state of Florida.
47:48
Speaker 2: Those dudes are going to come.
47:49
Speaker 1: But there's... there's just a couple of teams right now
47:53
Speaker 1: that are structured to win this way.
47:56
Speaker 2: Yes.
47:56
Speaker 1: And that, that's the real issue is like, what are,
47:59
Speaker 1: what's the structure? What are the, what are the guardrails
48:02
Speaker 1: to actually have a competitive environment and be about what
48:05
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48:09
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51:20
Speaker 1: A touchdown in both halves. He's going off this week,
51:24
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51:28
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51:41
Speaker 2: Love all of that. I'll tell you someone else who's confident.
51:44
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51:47
Speaker 2: That's Derrick Henry. He may end up at the end
51:49
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51:51
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51:54
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51:57
Speaker 2: Tennessee Titans, this weekend. I got big plus money here,
52:01
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52:04
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52:07
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52:10
Speaker 2: to have something to say about this also, and he's
52:12
Speaker 2: a highly motivated dude. He's a very good player, and
52:14
Speaker 2: that Titans defensive line may stuff Derrick Henry a More
52:18
Speaker 2: times than not, but Hutton, it feels like the type
52:21
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52:25
Speaker 2: with A.J. Brown and finding ways and creative ways to
52:28
Speaker 2: get into football that eventually got John Robinson fired after
52:32
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52:36
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52:40
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52:42
Speaker 2: the big man the ball. As we heard at Gallatin
52:45
Speaker 2: High School at one point on their broadcast, load the wagon.
52:48
Speaker 2: That's what we're going to do. The Ravens will load
52:51
Speaker 2: the wagon. Give me, Derrick Henry, two-plus touchdowns with my
52:56
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52:58
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52:59
Speaker 1: One team that Henry just ran all over.
53:04
Speaker 2: Jacksonville. Yes. This is his new Jacksonville. Um, it's belt
53:09
Speaker 2: to ass this week.
53:11
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's mentally, he's already psyching himself
53:14
Speaker 1: up saying that they, you know, they, they kicked me
53:16
Speaker 1: out the door. That's not how that went down. But
53:19
Speaker 1: like Blaine Bishop would always tell us, like he would
53:21
Speaker 1: mentally try to psych himself out of the truth. That
53:24
Speaker 1: way on game day, he was talking like, how dare
53:27
Speaker 1: you say that about my mom or whatever. And the
53:29
Speaker 1: guy's like, Blaine, I don't know what you're talking about.
53:32
Speaker 1: But he believed it during the week. I think this
53:33
Speaker 1: is Henry just getting motivated to play his sport. And
53:36
Speaker 1: he gets to do it at home. I think he's
53:40
Speaker 1: going to perform very well, to say the least. He
53:41
Speaker 1: does it every week. It's only plus 240 for two touchdowns.
53:45
Speaker 2: In the game. That's crazy. I've got the program right
53:48
Speaker 2: behind me, the poster classic 90s college football movie. That's
53:52
Speaker 2: what Alvin Mack would do. Part of his plot was
53:54
Speaker 2: in the games, he'd go up to the running back
53:56
Speaker 2: or the quarterback and make things up. He's like, you're
53:59
Speaker 2: the one who got my baby sister pregnant. He's like, dude,
54:02
Speaker 2: I don't even know your sister. He's just making up, oh,
54:05
Speaker 2: I remember you. I know who you are during the
54:07
Speaker 2: game talking trash to him. Multiple times. Alvin Mack, great
54:10
Speaker 2: movie character. Yeah, Derrick Henry's going to go off this week.
54:13
Speaker 2: And of all the marketing slogans and things that the
54:16
Speaker 2: city of Nashville or the Titans would want to become,
54:19
Speaker 2: New Jacksonville is not one of them. The New Jacksonville.
54:22
Speaker 2: Can you imagine the Nashville Tourism Board saying, hey guys,
54:25
Speaker 2: I got a plan for to get people here. New Jacksonville.
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Speaker 1: We are New Jacksonville. That's what the Titans are right now.
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Speaker 1: That's not a great place to live in. Henry played
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Speaker 1: at Yulee High School down in Florida. And whenever they
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Speaker 1: played Jacksonville, he just, I mean, he would run all
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Speaker 1: over that field. This is like his homecoming. He's welcoming the,
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Speaker 1: there's not many people in the front office or in
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Speaker 1: that building anymore that he'll remember. But he's going to
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Speaker 1: make a statement. And also Lamar Jackson missed a practice
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Speaker 1: this week. So, I mean, he's going to play. But
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Speaker 1: maybe some rain involved as well.
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Speaker 2: Playing the quarterback. Snap it to him. Let Derrick Henry
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Speaker 2: play quarterback before Jackson's out the entire time. Probably throw
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Speaker 2: for a couple touchdowns, too.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what the final score's going to look like.
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Speaker 1: I'm just taking the under. Can't wait to hear what
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Speaker 1: Cam Ward won't say that he should say at the
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Speaker 1: podium afterwards. It's going to be a fun weekend, though, man.
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Speaker 1: I think Tennessee gets it done. I took the minus
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Speaker 1: one and a half, by the way, first quarter for
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Speaker 1: Tennessee against Auburn and the under, 55.
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Speaker 2: And a half. I think Second straight week, that noon
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Speaker 2: Eastern 11 a.m. game in the SEC is the most
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Speaker 2: compelling of the day. You had Tennessee-Texas last week. You
55:37
Speaker 2: got Alabama-Mississippi State starting the day off right tomorrow. It's
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Speaker 2: going to be great. My lock is Northwestern winning the
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Speaker 2: new stadium tonight. I will know by Saturday morning if
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Speaker 2: I was correct or not, but go Wildcats tonight.
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Speaker 1: Enjoy the next round. Enjoy high school, football, college football, NFL.
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Speaker 1: We're back at it to recap with you on Monday
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Speaker 1: for Hunt and Withrow.