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- The Permission Slip - S1-E11 Shyamani Matt Kosterman: Hi, and welcome back. Thanks for joining us on the Permission slip. I'm Matt Kosterman. Just like it says on the tin. And I am here with Shweta Shyamani, a wonderful friend whom I met via a dating site. We went on a date, we had the same interests. And uh, we have become friends over the last, gosh, I think three years. Yeah. So welcome Shuda. Thank you. It's good to see you. Shweta Shyamani: It's great to see you. Matt Kosterman: Shuda is a works, as I should say, not is she works as a clinical hypnotherapist, an energy intuitive. She works with, you said home? Home med. Home Med. Home Med. Home med. Out of Los Angeles. Mm-hmm. And is also the leader of re Wonderful retreats for women, empowerment retreats for women, one of which is coming up in Portugal. So Shweta Shyamani: welcome. Thank you so much. Thanks for being here. It's awesome to be here. Thanks for having me. Yeah, Matt Kosterman: and Rocco's here too. That's her little cute little dog who's right next to her. He might have a word or two to say. We'll have to see. Shweta Shyamani: Yeah, we'll see what he has to say. Right now he's giving himself Matt Kosterman: a manicure. Shweta Shyamani: He's my little zen master. Matt Kosterman: So yeah, so we met a couple years ago and then I ended up doing. A rapid transformation therapy session with you, right? Is that what it RTT? Shweta Shyamani: Yeah. We actually met during COVID, I think it was like, or Matt Kosterman: just right after. 'cause I had moved here just right after. Yeah. Yeah. so tell us about, so the, the, the, the purpose of the podcast, the reason I started it, is to expose the wider world to this world of so-called alternative healing. Methods and they're alternative because they're not. Western medicine as we've known it for so many years. and so I find your background particularly fascinating 'cause you went the full 3D route with the, with what? A ma you know, a master's in an MBA from Northwestern University, from Kellogg. So one of the premier institutions in the world for these things. And then somewhere after that. Things took a turn, fell off the cliff. Yeah. So gimme a little bit of your origin story and your, yeah. Your heritage and that kind of stuff. It's, Shweta Shyamani: yeah. Well I, you know, I had, I had always wanted to go to Northwestern and get an MBA and I had thought that I was going to be, you know, a corporate Raider. I wanted to be like the chief marketing officer of a big. Multinational company, and I was in the financial services sector when I was going to grad school and doing really well, like, you know, quickly growing my career in that field and was positioned to really create what I thought it was that I wanted. And so on paper it looked like I had the perfect job and the perfect. Trajectory. and I was absolutely miserable. Sound familiar? Yeah. Anybody else Matt Kosterman: out there with Shweta Shyamani: Yeah. Yeah. Everything looks good on paper, but you know, you're dying inside. And so, I would literally close the door to my beautiful corner office and cry, and I would call my parents and they're like, well, what is it specifically? And I didn't know, I didn't have the language yet. I hadn't really started my personal growth. Journey to be able to articulate that this was totally out of alignment. Matt Kosterman: And how, how old were you when this about? I was in Shweta Shyamani: my early, about 30. Okay. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Okay. Shweta Shyamani: So, so I was just miserable and one day something happened, and I can't even recall specifically what it was, but I found myself. Standing up, walking into the office of my boss's boss, the chief marketing officer, and hearing myself resign. So I was like a third person in the room. You're Matt Kosterman: like, watching this happen. I was Shweta Shyamani: watching this happen like a little muppet. Totally right? Like I was just a fly on the wall, but I was observing myself doing this and taking this radical action. I had no plan. I had. No resume that was current. Like I, I had nothing but, but something had happened and it was the last straw at, at work my higher at work. At work, yeah. Yeah. At work. At work, yeah. Matt Kosterman: Yeah, yeah. Shweta Shyamani: and it was like my higher self that just like picked me up, walked me into the office, march you, and here I am, hearing myself resign. And this was on September 6th, 2001. Matt Kosterman: Oh my. Shweta Shyamani: So five days later, we all know what happened. Yeah. And I was in the financial services sector. I lost a friend at nine 11 and knew people who died in that, that horrific, horrific, on that day. And we didn't know what was gonna happen, you know, after that. But I had already submitted my resignation and I wasn't gonna turn, you know, change my mind. So, um. So the day before my last day, I presented a, it was a big project that I was working on that was coming to its completion. I presented it to the board of directors and then that was it. And then I didn't know. I went into the unknown. I didn't know what was next. And when people ask me why I left, I couldn't tell them why. Other than I was just really, really unhappy. And now knowing what I know about the mind body connection, I have no doubt that had I stayed in that corporate career, my body would've reacted with some sort of a disease. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Shweta Shyamani: autoimmune cancer, who knows what it would've been, but. Something to reflect in my physicality, the misalignment that that path was for me. So, you know, people say like, you're so courageous, and I'm like, it was really an act of self preservation. It wasn't premeditated and it wasn't intentional. So I can't take credit for it, for me Matt Kosterman: for being courageous. Shweta Shyamani: No, I can't take credit for, I, there's some level Matt Kosterman: of courage there. I mean, you Shweta Shyamani: Yeah. I mean, I didn't backpedal after nine 11. Yeah. You know, I was just. Like, I'm out. So, so that was, that was the story. And then I became an entrepreneur for a while and all of the while, sort of in the background was my mom's journey. And my mom became ill when I was six years old. with what, later, decades later, we think probably was Lyme. Oh, so we were in Wisconsin Dells and going through the forest on one of those duck rides, and she was bitten by something. We don't know what, but the next day she woke up and half of her, the hub. One side of her body was paralyzed. Mm. And so she had some sort of a reaction to this bug bite and people thought she was crazy and nobody knew what it was. And my parents, it's Matt Kosterman: psychosomatic. Right, right, right. Like what's not Shweta Shyamani: what exactly. Everything is right. It all Matt Kosterman: is. Yeah. We all know that. Yeah. Shweta Shyamani: So, so we, my parents, I was really young at the time, so my parents went to a number of different specialists and they told her like. We don't know what it is, but you're not gonna live. Mm. And so you need to just, you know, make arrangements, wrap things up for your children and Yeah. And, and so on. And she's, she had such a strong will and she's lost her mother when she was in high. And she's like, I'm not. That's not what's gonna happen to my children. So she started looking for alternatives and you know, I'm Indian. And so having like homeopathic remedies and Ayurvedic remedies in our house was, you know, rather common and not unusual at, at Matt Kosterman: all. Were your parents born in India or were they born here? Shweta Shyamani: They were born there. I was born there. Matt Kosterman: You were born there. You were born, okay. Yeah. Shweta Shyamani: So we moved to this country, uh, when I was two. So I was just a baby. but all of these things were familiar to us, right? Like in our home, these Ayurvedic things and sort of like all of the natural remedies that are just in our kitchen. Mm-hmm. You know, herbs and spices and so on and so forth. And so my parents started looking for alternatives for my mom, and they were following conventional western medicine, but it didn't have any answers for her. And, so. All of this was still happening. She was still, you know, taking medication that her, rheumatologist prescribed his, the, the situation flared her, her movement came back and it turned into an autoimmune condition, and later they found Lyme antibodies in her blood. But at the time, they didn't even know, like ly my disease was not a thing. Matt Kosterman: This is, this is what, 20? This was in like mid, mid seventies. Oh yeah. So 40 years ago. Yeah, 50 years ago. It was a long time ago. Shweta Shyamani: And Lyme disease was not on anybody's radar at the time. So, anyway, so all the while we were dealing with my mom's health, and so here I am in this gap. Matt Kosterman: You now you're mid thirties, early, mid thirties, and your mother's still alive, but not doing great or Shweta Shyamani: struggling. Struggling, you know, struggling. Lots and lots of different. Things arose as a result of the autoimmune conditions that she had, and she'd had a back surgery, I think it was her fourth one, and everything had gone well according to the surgeon, and yet she was in a tremendous amount of pain. And he said to her, just rather matter of factly, well, you're just gonna have to live with it. Mm-hmm. Because I did everything right. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So it was Shweta Shyamani: about him. It wasn't about her at all. Matt Kosterman: Right. Shweta Shyamani: And so she was devastated because she was in so much pain that how could she, you know? go on. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Shweta Shyamani: Even morphine sometimes didn't help. Wow. It didn't help. And so I just said, we're done. We are so done with this. we have to look for something off script. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Shweta Shyamani: And she had tried homeopathic and Ayurvedic things and they hadn't given her the level of relief that she was seeking. So, that's how I became familiar with, energy healing. Because we were looking for a solution for her and somebody that I knew had just graduated from a program called Lifeline Technique. Matt Kosterman: Okay. Shweta Shyamani: And so I looked into that and that ended up being the first thing that I studied, and that was the first certification that I got doing this healing work. So it was really in service of finding relief for my mother. Mm-hmm. And really seeing where so many of the shortcomings of Western medicine are. Western medicine is phenomenal. For acute situations and emergent situations, but for chronic conditions it sucks. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. It's terrible, right? Shweta Shyamani: It's really, really bad. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Actually, I had the, I was, I think was sort of, as I was waking up or the other night, I just was having this picture of, you know, as new beings are being born and we bring with us our own, you know, our, our souls karma, we bring with us, we come into the world with whatever we come into, and it's, it's just like. There's just been more and more and more. And then you look at the Western model and it just keeps trying to make more and more compounds in drugs to mask the symptoms. Shweta Shyamani: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: And none of it gets at the root, energetic, emotional causes. Shweta Shyamani: No, it doesn't. And I mean, even trained MDs and Western doctors are acknowledging this. Right. So whole med, which is something that I'm involved in that you mentioned. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Shweta Shyamani: At the intro. it's developed by two physicians who recognize the gaps in the Western methodology, and they're both double. One is double board certified. Another one is specializes as infectious disease. So they're highly trained, skilled professionals in the medical model, and they're acknowledging like, this isn't the whole story. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Shweta Shyamani: So even doctors are awakening to the fact that there's more, right? There's more. The body is not just a machine. It is to some degree, but it's, there's more So, so much more. There's that part, Matt Kosterman: there's that part of it, right? The machine part and then Right. There's all the other layers. There's all Shweta Shyamani: the other things. But the machine also is, is a sum that is far greater than its parts. Yeah. Right. So, so you and the parts all connect, right? So. Western medicine has become so specialized. Yeah. And it's like who's quarterbacking? Right. And even talking among all of the specialists. Matt Kosterman: Sure. Shweta Shyamani: And unfortunately that's not happening. It's not happening. No. And so that's, it's Matt Kosterman: expensive. I mean, Shweta Shyamani: it's expensive. And the model isn't, the model isn't built for that. No. Matt Kosterman: The model is to generally to find you a pill or a surgery. Shweta Shyamani: Right. Matt Kosterman: You know, if the surgery works, great. If not, here's this pill for the rest of your life. Shweta Shyamani: And by the way, it has this long list of side effects. Of side effects Yeah. That our lawyers are making us tell you that it has, otherwise we wouldn't. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Right, right, right, right, Shweta Shyamani: right. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: So you did, so you did Lifeline. Shweta Shyamani: I did Lifeline. Mm-hmm. Matt Kosterman: And, and, and then how much relief was your mother able to get through energy work? I, Shweta Shyamani: well, so the relief that she was able to get sometimes, actually there was one time that. As I mentioned earlier, morphine didn't even work and I did a lifeline session on her and it relieved her pain down to probably, I dunno, level three. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Shweta Shyamani: Out of like 50 Uhhuh. She was miserable, miserable, miserable, and uh, she was able to find relief to the degree that she allowed herself, right. To explore her emotions. Matt Kosterman: Okay. Shweta Shyamani: And she came from a generation and a culture and a family where emotions were unwelcome and she didn't wanna rehash things from the past. And me being her daughter, she certainly didn't feel like she wanted to rehash them with me. Matt Kosterman: Right. Shweta Shyamani: Right. So I was never going to be. The one that could help her completely resolve what was going on in her body. Yeah. That wasn't gonna be our journey together. Matt Kosterman: Yeah, yeah. Shweta Shyamani: but because of the work that I did and all of the things that I studied, I was able to offer some relief. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. That's beautiful. Shweta Shyamani: And I've been able to help so many other people. Yeah. As a result. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. That's amazing. So it was the catalyst. Shweta Shyamani: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: It was like your higher self knew something, you know, needed to. Shweta Shyamani: Yeah. I mean, all of her suffering put me on my path. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Shweta Shyamani: I wish it didn't have to be that way, but it was in trying to find some relief for her. Matt Kosterman: I mean, coming from someone who, all my suffering put me on my path, I'll take, Shweta Shyamani: I'll take, I'll take somebody else's suffering. Somebody else's over my own. Yeah, I guess so. In that regard, I was, it's all relative. Yeah, it's all relative. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: But we're all one. So her suffering is your suffering. I mean, it's, you know, it was in many, many Shweta Shyamani: other ways. For sure. You know, it, it really was. It was hard. A lot, Matt Kosterman: all those Shweta Shyamani: years it was hard to watch and was hard. I mean, like when did she, Matt Kosterman: when did she cross over? My mom Shweta Shyamani: passed. My mom passed just seven years ago. Okay. So it was decades. Decades, decades of pain, of suffering, of hardship. And it impacted her whole family. Sure. Understandably. Sure. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. so. So, so lifeline. So tell what, what are some of the more, the, the, the more powerful and, and, uh, I always use the word productive. I don't know if somebody, uh, somebody gives me a hard time for that. I'll say, well, I did this, you know, stilly journey. It was really productive. And they're like, well, like I, I got a lot out of it. I don't know how else to put it, but, um. I know I did the, the Marissa, PRTT with you. The hypnosis. Yeah. Which I found that was the first time and only I think to date that I've been hypnotized and Shweta Shyamani: mm-hmm. Matt Kosterman: It was super interesting. Shweta Shyamani: Yeah, I remember that session. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. To like, it's pretty cool. Yeah. Like I knew what was going on, but I wasn't controlling what was going on. Yeah. Shweta Shyamani: It's pretty, it's pretty awesome. And it Matt Kosterman: was definitely a shift in my trajectory for the better. It was. It was, it was really, it was really powerful. so that, so what are, what, what kind of things are you blending today? What are you, what are you bringing? How do you work with people and Shweta Shyamani: Yeah. So I definitely, energy has to be a piece of it. You know, quantum physics has acknowledged that everything is energy and so we can't leave that out of the, the conversation. People don't really understand the energy body. Mm-hmm. But the energy body is formed at the very beginning. So our nervous system is the first to form in a fetus. And our nervous system, as you know, is electrical. And wherever an electrical field exists, a magnetic field is created, right? Mm-hmm. So the electromagnetic system is formed at the same time as our nervous system. So the electromagnetic system is energy, right? It's our bioenergetic system. Yeah. And so when we work with the bioenergetic system, we're impacting our nervous system. Right now everybody's talking about the nervous system. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Parasympathetic. Sympathetic fight. Exactly. Fight or flight. Yeah. Fight or flight. The vagus nerves, nerve, all that fa fawn is the third, right? Fawn Shweta Shyamani: is the third. Yeah. That's good. So, you know, and then there's polyvagal theory, which I'm bringing into my work because I think that everything is really rooted in the nervous system and the nervous system impacts every one of our other systems. Right. It's central to everything that, that is physical. Matt Kosterman: And I, and I would take it because of the training that I've had in the fascial work, that the fascial system actually impacts the nervous system because the fascial system is where the light moves through the body and it moves faster than the electrochemical systems of the nervous system. And it's the thing that's feeling into the room, that's feeling other people and informing the nervous system. Shweta Shyamani: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: At some level. So the, the two work as it all, they all work hand in hand, but it's, but particularly. The fascial system and the nervous system. Shweta Shyamani: Yeah. And the fascial system, it's crystalline. Right, right, Matt Kosterman: right. Shweta Shyamani: And so it's impacted and impacts the bioenergetic field. Matt Kosterman: Yes. Shweta Shyamani: Right. And so, and it is, it's instant. Yeah. It's, it's so much faster than the nurses. Yeah. It's like before it's like, and the biochemistry before Matt Kosterman: instance. Like it's ahead of your brain. Yeah, Shweta Shyamani: exactly. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Shweta Shyamani: So, so the energy needs to be a big part of it. And so what is energy? Well, energy is our life force, but energy is also impacted by our thoughts. Right? Our thoughts are actually packets of mental energy. Mm-hmm. And so that gives us the, the basis for the mind body connection. Right. Like our thoughts impact the physiology. And Candace Pert wrote a book called The Molecules of Emotion. Hmm. And I think she received a Nobel Prize. She received, I feel like she received a Nobel Prize for her work. She has since passed, but she's the one who discovered neuropeptides. Matt Kosterman: Okay. And Shweta Shyamani: neuropeptides are the chemicals that. Are created as a result of a thought. And so there's a thought, there's some sort of a signal and then a neuropeptide is formed. Okay. So it's like the initiation of something that's physical. If a neuropeptide is physical, right, then there's like, that's where the non-physical to physical barrier, that's the bridge being crossed. The bridge, that's the bridge, right? That's Matt Kosterman: the bridge. So you have this thought, you form a neuropeptide, which is a chemical. Within your body, within the, is it bloodstream, is it carried in there? Some, I don't know. Within the body, I dunno. Somewhere in the body. I know, I, I know I injected peptides in my stomach for a while trying to fix one of my problems. Shweta Shyamani: It might be the endocrine system. I'm not really sure. Yeah. So, but that's Matt Kosterman: the, that's the basis of, but there's a bridge. There's a bridge, yeah. I Shweta Shyamani: think that to me, like the neuropeptides are the bridge. Sure. That now translates something that's sig a signal that's non-physical into a signal that is physical. Mm-hmm. And then the neuropeptides lock into, you know, something on the cell receptor receptors, some kind of receptor. Sure. So then it starts the, the biochemical cascade that results from a thought. Right. So, um. I don't know how we got down this rabbit hole. You Matt Kosterman: were saying everything's energy, which it is. Yeah. And I think that that's, people use that a lot, but it's, you know, it's true. I mean, if you, yes, like literally I've been, you know, a car's, tires rolling on the ground. They don't actually touch the ground. Like there's an energetic, like there is nothing is truly solid when you come down to it. You could, you could thread a small enough needle through the body without hurting anything. Shweta Shyamani: Yeah, I mean, I mean that's the, at the atomic, at Matt Kosterman: the subatomic level, Shweta Shyamani: exactly. Matt Kosterman: Right. It's, it's all these spinning, even the particles I don't think are actually particles. They're, Shweta Shyamani: they're not, they're not, they're potentials, right. So the potentials coming in and out of existence. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: It's like Schroedinger’s cat and the, the, you know, the whole Is it a cat? Is it the cat in the box? It is. If you look at it, it's not, if you don't, the tree fall down in the forest. All those kind of things. Yeah, all of those things. So, so it's all energy and the, so the thoughts, so how do we, how. So somebody comes in and, and then the other thing is you have a physical body, you have an emotional body, you have an energetic body, you have an etheric body. There's all these different layers of one's body. Yeah. And you are, you're focused primarily on the energetic body. Shweta Shyamani: That's part of the, not primarily now, because we find out, like if somebody comes to me with a physical issue that like they've been trying to get fixed by conventional means, and it hasn't then. I'll look at that. Okay. As a, as a clue where the energies may be impeded. Right. So if they're like, I, I have IBS and nothing is working. Yeah. Or I have food sensitivities or whatever, then that gives me some idea of like where to look in the corresponding energy, energy body. And work there because whenever we have pain or whenever something isn't working, that means that there's an impediment in the flow of energy or there's excess energy. Okay. Right. It's out of balance. It's outta balance. It's either too much or too little. Matt Kosterman: Got it. Shweta Shyamani: And then it's not connecting, like energy wants to flow. Think of water, like when water stagnates, what happens. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Right. Mosquito. Shweta Shyamani: Right. There you go. And it gets stinky, right? Moldy and icky. Yeah. But when the water flows, then it, you know, Matt Kosterman: it's a clean river stream, brook, whatever. Exactly. Yeah, Shweta Shyamani: exactly. And so the energy is the same. The energy wants to flow. And so we start using what may be going on physically if people come to me for physical things as a starting point to where we can look for the corresponding hiccups in their energy body. So people come to me for stuff like that. And then, also with emotional stuff, anxiety is something that I work with people very often. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Shweta Shyamani: And, sadly, like the people that come to me are getting younger and younger. So before it used to be just kind of, I don't know, our contemporaries. Sure. And now it's like 20 something, 30 somethings something, and 12 year olds. And I don't really work with kids. I've made exceptions for. Some, some, you know, specific things, but you know. Uh, children and young adults are really struggling with anxiety. Yeah. And they're being put on medications really, really early. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: It's crazy. Shweta Shyamani: And it's crazy. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. I was having a conversation with my father who's, uh, 78 the other day, and oh, you know, the kids these days, there's a lot of, you know, they're this anxiety and. Well yet, dad, the world's pretty crazy. Shweta Shyamani: Yeah. Yiping. It's like, it's Matt Kosterman: pretty, you know, it's crazy. It's pretty crazy. And, and the future can look pretty bleak. Shweta Shyamani: Sure can. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Which, which then starts these thoughts, survival and fight or flight, and then everything goes outta whack. So, yeah. but it's, so, and, and then you're doing, um. That just depending on what it is, you grab the tool in your bag that seemed, that you're feeling into, that's most appropriate, whether, yeah. Shweta Shyamani: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, the rapid transformational therapy is really a great way to get to root cause. Yeah. Like energy work gets to root cause, but the mind likes to understand. The mind likes to understand like why, why gotta make sense of it. Matt Kosterman: It has to create a story. Shweta Shyamani: Yeah, exactly. And you gotta create Matt Kosterman: new stories, which was what's cool about RTT. Creates new stories. Shweta Shyamani: It does create new stories, but it understands why you have the story that you have in the first place. Yeah. That's where the power lies. Matt Kosterman: And, and what was, and I love her, I love Marissa, peers like the five things with like, you're not enough. You're not allowed. What are the, the, the core, core beliefs, the core false beliefs that would Yeah, the three. The three Shweta Shyamani: is like, you're not enough. What I want isn't available to me and I'm different so I don't belong. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. So those are sort of the, those Shweta Shyamani: are the three kind of core wounds. Right. Or some derivation thereof that people will have. And I'm not Enough is the biggest one. Matt Kosterman: Yeah, Shweta Shyamani: it's the biggest one. And no matter how successful, how beautiful, how thin, how Matt Kosterman: right Shweta Shyamani: smart people are, how many cars, how many noses, how it doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. And the the time that I learned that this was just. Part of the human condition was, Meryl Streep was being interviewed for something and she is like the gold standard of acting. Right? Right. Like everybody, like you leave me here. Like, oh, she's no Meryl Streep. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. She is the gold standard, the most Oscar nominations of any actor, actress. And she was being interviewed and she said, you know, when I receive a script, I look at it and I wonder is like. Do they really want me? Matt Kosterman: Sure. Shweta Shyamani: Am I worthy of this role? And right there I thought, okay, if Meryl Streep is self is experiencing how many Oscars, many, I'm not enough. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Like then this is just a part of the human condition. It Matt Kosterman: just is. Shweta Shyamani: It's not about anything other than the fact that there is some part of us as humans that doubts are worthiness. Yeah. So, and people for Matt Kosterman: a long time they wanted to just pin it on, you know, an artist, what's the term? Like the, uh, imposter syndrome. Shweta Shyamani: Yeah. Yeah. That's Matt Kosterman: actings an art. I mean, Shweta Shyamani: for sure. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. And I, I had that in my photography career for years. I, I was always nerve, I, I gonna mess this up. I could, you know, my coach Melissa, who I've interviewed, she's like, you know, I, I would say this to her, you know, I'm gonna, I think I'm gonna mess it up. And she's like, how many times have you messed up? And I said none. It's pretty good chance you're not gonna mess it up. Shweta Shyamani: Right. Matt Kosterman: But it's, and if you Shweta Shyamani: did, like what? What you figured out And Matt Kosterman: is the world gonna come to an end? Shweta Shyamani: No. No. Right. Matt Kosterman: Maybe I don't get the picture, you know? Right. That one picture. Exactly. But. But it's, but there's this track of the mind that I'm not enough, I can't do it. I'm not good enough. Right? That, that we, that we're born with somehow, not everybody, but man, a lot, Shweta Shyamani: almost everybody. Almost Matt Kosterman: everybody. Shweta Shyamani: Almost everybody. And that doesn't mean that it, you don't feel enough across the board. Some people do, but it just means that, you know, there may be some things that I really am gonna second or third guess myself in. So. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. And so then with the, with the RTT, which is a, a hypnosis Shweta Shyamani: based Yeah. Based Matt Kosterman: thing. You, you work to, to craft a new story. Shweta Shyamani: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Right. You Shweta Shyamani: discover where the story originate, the origin story of the story that you're saying to yourself began, like, where did you learn this? Where did you decide? That you're not enough. 'cause no baby comes out of the, their mother thinking they're not enough. They cry when they need something. Right. Right. Like, they're not like, oh, it's the middle of the night. I'm gonna wait until it's, you know, morning. They don't wanna Matt Kosterman: bother anybody. Right, Shweta Shyamani: exactly. Matt Kosterman: They're born to bother people. Shweta Shyamani: They're born to bother people. And they do. Matt Kosterman: And they do. Yeah. Shweta Shyamani: So no baby comes out that way. So it's something that's learned, it's something that's a hundred percent learned. So, we discovered, like, where did you learn this? Where did you learn this? I'm not lovable. Mm-hmm. That's another really common one. Mm-hmm. Of not feeling lovable. and this is Matt Kosterman: done through an interview process? Through a coaching? Coaching? Yeah. There's an coaching process. There's, there's an Shweta Shyamani: extensive intake, and then you do the, the hypnosis just to really understand where in the subconscious the story came together. And so you unpack it and then once you discover that you do some healing work while you're under hypnosis, and hypnosis is nothing. Crazy. No, it's really just slowing down the brainwave so that you can access deeper material in the subconscious. Your subconscious has recorded everything that you have ever experienced, including in utero experiences. So things that are happening to your mother while you're in her body. Yeah. You are inod into your nervous system in your subconscious and things will come up sometimes that are in utero experiences. Oh, fascinating. Have fascinating. Matt Kosterman: Okay. Shweta Shyamani: During the RTT session, I mean even past life stuff come up. I was gonna say. Matt Kosterman: Past life. Absolutely. I can many lives, many masters. It's part of your Shweta Shyamani: storyline. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Shweta Shyamani: Right. Can the karma that we come in with? Matt Kosterman: Yeah, Shweta Shyamani: for sure. For sure. And even in the energy work that I do, sometimes we will work with past life material, themes from past lives that are still, that are presenting in your current life. And, we close, I, you know, call 'em their wormholes and, I love that. In quantum physics, everything is just one eternal now, right? Yeah. Past, present, and future cure simultaneously. Right? It's all right. So when past life stuff comes up, I just simply liken it to, there is a room next door that some part of you is experiencing while you're experiencing this lifetime. And instead of a wall between the two, there's a screen. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So there's some bleed through. Bleed through, bleed through. There's some Shweta Shyamani: bleed through, and so we just. Turn it back into a wall. Yeah, we close it. We close it, and so then that influence no longer exists. And there's also legacy. There's also stuff that we pick up through our generational, you know, lines. And so sometimes that will show up in work that there's, let's say a miasm is what it's called. Mm-hmm. Is a generational mayism of eight generations on your father's side of. Suspicious being suspicious. Matt Kosterman: Right. Or unworthiness or, or unworthiness. Or anger. Anger or Shweta Shyamani: depression. It could be anything. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Resentment. Shweta Shyamani: But once we start clearing the energy of those generational influences, then we are working with you and your story. And then where is, where are your specific, threads? Formed the story that you have. And then once we heal that and clear that and upgrade it, then we create the story that you wanna create. Mm-hmm. Intentionally rather than what has formed subconsciously and unintentionally. Matt Kosterman: Wow. Amazing. So, so you've, you had the RT tree training several years ago. Shweta Shyamani: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Right. And now, and then since then, you've become clinically certified as it. As a hypnotherapist as well. Yeah. And was that to advance the r this this work, the RTT work, basically? Yeah. The clinical Shweta Shyamani: certification was, uh, an additional nine months of training that I did with the RTT school. Okay. So I just finished that like last month. Oh, congratulations. Thanks. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Shweta Shyamani: Thanks. So, it just deepens my level of understanding and ability to deal with more complex situations. Matt Kosterman: Okay. Shweta Shyamani: So. It's great. I feel like RTT really filled that gap of helping people understand. So now you've got the energy piece and then you've got the, the beliefs. Yeah. And that the, you know, the mental models, the subconscious material from the RTT. So both of those really are effective. Matt Kosterman: And it's an, it's an, I find it's an interesting parallel di a discontinuous parallel between psychotherapy, which I like to. I'm maybe not as nice about as I could be, but Shweta Shyamani: you don't have to be nice with me. I have people that come to me, almost every, every discovery call people will say, oh, I've been in therapy for this, for fill in the blank. For how many years? A number of years. Well, that's Matt Kosterman: what I was gonna say. So it's you, you, you do these, you have these conversations in therapy. Yeah. Right about, oh, it came from them. But it, it, it tends in my experience and a lot of people that I've spoken with, it tends to be a con the same conversation. Shweta Shyamani: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Over and over. And I, I worked with, this great, uh, Zen Buddhist monk, uh, who's a coach now, Alex Mill, and it was back in like 2015. He's, and he said, you know, you can stay in therapy, it's fine. He said, but you're going to keep pulling the past into the now. Shweta Shyamani: Right. Matt Kosterman: And where I think. This work is different as that. Yes, it pulls it up, but now we're reprogramming it. Shweta Shyamani: Yes. Matt Kosterman: Which has the effect of either eliminating or massively reducing the impact of those old stories on your life going forward. Shweta Shyamani: Totally. Matt Kosterman: So totally. It's, it's like therapy in a sense, but therapy kind of only gets it like unearthed maybe. Maybe if you have, if you have a good working relationship with your therapist and you trust them and you're able to go to those places with them. Shweta Shyamani: For sure. Therapy can be beneficial. I was in therapy for, uh, you know, some months for, for an issue. And therapy can be beneficial to help uncover Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Shweta Shyamani: What may be happening or why you feel the way that you do. Oftentimes it doesn't even do that. You just talk about stuff. Right. And there can be some sense of relief in talking about it. Yeah. But what. The research has shown is that constantly talking about painful experiences retraumatizes us. Yeah. At the level of the nervous system, right? And so the nervous system doesn't know the difference between something that is vividly imagined or something that you're experiencing real time. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Shweta Shyamani: And so if you're recounting every week at four o'clock on Wednesday with your therapist that you know the time you got spanked, or the time you got Matt Kosterman: raped, or the time that you got, whatever, Shweta Shyamani: then as far as your nervous system is concerned, that's happening to you again. Matt Kosterman: Yeah, Shweta Shyamani: and so you're actually anchoring it more deeply into your body and mind than. You would if you weren't talking about it every week. Right. Matt Kosterman: Now there are things like EFT of emotional freedom technique. Absolutely. With the immunotherapy. EMDR. Shweta Shyamani: Yep. Matt Kosterman: For it was useless for me, but that's okay. I know a lot of people that have been benefited greatly from EMDR. Shweta Shyamani: Yeah. I use EFT in my, in my practice, which is Matt Kosterman: a tapping technique, which is tapping. Yeah, yeah. You're tapping Shweta Shyamani: on certain acupuncture points. Right. And you're sending a PIO electrical current through the body to move that emotion through. and it's very, very effective. Matt Kosterman: Yeah, Shweta Shyamani: it's really effective and. Matt Kosterman: it's interesting. I was at, I went to a fundraiser years ago, it's twenty twenty nineteen, with Rick Doblin from maps, the psychedelic people, and Hamilton Morris was there and the, the, the head of the Bronx VA Hospital, the psychiatric unit was there, Rachel Yehuda, Dr. Yehuda. And, and, and sh and, and this is not to dis individual therapist or psychiatrist, it's a model that they've come up in. But she said psychiatry in this country is broken. She said it's, it, it's treated, the patient is treated as an annuity. Shweta Shyamani: Wow. Matt Kosterman: Like, you know, when that person comes through the door and you got 'em, you got 'em for years. Shweta Shyamani: Wow. That's heartbreaking. Matt Kosterman: And, and, and it's, it's, it's the way this capitalist society is structured where, you know, you look at it across the board with medicine, with, you know, with pharmaceuticals. It's the same. Yeah. It's the same thing. And so I've always, you know. F loved it when I found people that have said like, my goal is to get you outta here. Like I don't, I don't wanna see you every week. I don't, you know? Absolutely. Even my coaching engagement when with Melissa was 13 months and then, you know, we're done. We're done. Shweta Shyamani: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Fly little birdie. Shweta Shyamani: Yeah, absolutely. And I totally agree. I tell clients that, you know, if we are working together. For a couple months and you feel the needle hasn't moved, then I am not your person. Matt Kosterman: Right. And you might not be the person for everybody and I might, Shweta Shyamani: no. Yeah, and, and I mean, I think I've worked with so many different healers and coaches myself, and I know that you have, and I feel like there isn't a single solution for any of us, like. In this part of my journey, I needed this, this person, right? And they showed up, right? And then in my next part of my journey, I need somebody else. And so I very much feel like I am part of a team of people. Either simultaneously people will come to me that are seeing other healers or other therapists and we're working concurrently together. or they will have worked with somebody and completed with them and then all of a sudden, somehow I come across their path. Matt Kosterman: Sure. Yeah. Shweta Shyamani: So, um. I think that there's a lot of really amazing, capable healers and practitioners, and even physicians, you know, the, the, the founder of Homemed, I mean, she's an MD and she is a phenomenal clinician mm-hmm. And physician and, Matt Kosterman: and she's open to she things that are, understands Shweta Shyamani: the limitations of that model. Yeah, Matt Kosterman: yeah. Shweta Shyamani: Right. And so she formed a team with myself and other practitioners that compliment. Where, you know, where her training leaves off. Matt Kosterman: Sure, yeah. Which, great. So we can Shweta Shyamani: really do a holistic, integrative mind, body spirit approach. Matt Kosterman: So when somebody goes to Homemed, which is based in la, then they, they'll do, if they get referred out to you, then you do virtual. Shweta Shyamani: Yeah. I am the only team member right now that's virtual. That's virtual. Everybody else is LA based. Uh. I'm not ready to equate to do that. I love Chicago winners. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: It it, they are regenerative in their way. Yeah. Well, you know, it makes, makes you appreciate summer all that much more. Something Shweta Shyamani: like that. Right. Matt Kosterman: I mean, if it's something like that, if it's 80 degrees every day, what? Shweta Shyamani: I know. Boring. Boring, boring. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Um. So then now your work has also taken you into organizing these powerful women's retreats. Talk, talk a little bit about that. Shweta Shyamani: Yeah, so the, Matt Kosterman: how did that come about? Shweta Shyamani: So the woman that I do the women's retreats with, it's got USS within Retreats, is our company. And she was a client of mine for years. She actually lives in Florida and she was referred to me and. Through another client that happened to live in Florida and we worked together. This was like pre zoomo days. So we like just did phone sessions. Okay. And we worked together for years and had not met. And then she came to Chicago and we met, and then she already had a retreat business and she's said, you know, I'd love to do something together at some point. And then some point just. Three years ago happened. Matt Kosterman: Oh, wow. Shweta Shyamani: And so we started doing these spiritual women's retreats, and we definitely see them expanding into something that's more of a co-ed experience. But this was a good starting point for us because women are hungry to reconnect with their feminine energy. Right. Even though they might not use that language. Yeah. And women are seeking sisterhood. They're seeking girl time. They're seeking. Getting more into their feeling and emotional bodies, and so that's what we do. There are amazing retreats where we do personal growth work and spiritual work, but we also do excursions and adventure, things like zip lining and waterfall repelling. So it's a blend of all the. Earthly 3D things. Yeah. As well as doing some spiritual work and connection, connecting to the Matt Kosterman: earth. Again, connecting, reconnecting. Absolutely. Yeah. Shweta Shyamani: Yeah. We always do them in places where we're gonna be, able to spend some good time in nature. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Where have you had them thus far? Shweta Shyamani: We've done two Costa Rica. We're doing Portugal, which will be, in K Kai and on the Zoan Island of Ada. And then we did one on sacred Native American land in Texas. Matt Kosterman: Oh, nice. Shweta Shyamani: Yeah. So those have been the four. These are the four. Matt Kosterman: Did you do a tail mescal? Uh, the sweat lodge? Shweta Shyamani: No, Matt Kosterman: no, no. Sweating. Shweta Shyamani: This Bombay born girl doesn't like to sweat. Matt Kosterman: That's why he came for the Chicago winters. That's Shweta Shyamani: right. When I was two, I told my parents, get me out of the sea. Get me out of this. Yeah. So, no. Oh, that's funny. Matt Kosterman: I have, that's one of the things I haven't done yet. I mean, a sweat lodge. Yeah. Shweta Shyamani: How is that possible that you've done everything? I mean, Matt Kosterman: Laura, Laura calls, she likens me to the dog from up. She's like, squirrel. Shweta Shyamani: Squirrel. Yeah. Yeah, totally. Squirrel Matt Kosterman: said, I said, that's Shweta Shyamani: accurate. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: She said, but now after the podcast, she goes, I get it now. I, I, she goes, I understand why you were doing all those things. Shweta Shyamani: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: To pull it all together. Shweta Shyamani: Yeah. To bring it together. For Matt Kosterman: sure. how long are the retreats? Shweta Shyamani: The retreats? so the Texas one, we, it was a shorter format. It was like. Four nights and this, uh, Portugal one is gonna be nine. So like, Costa Rica have been a week. A week. Matt Kosterman: So Shweta Shyamani: I think a week is a sweet spot. I think that that really seems to work well. The shorter format is nice for people who aren't, you know, for women who are just sort of entering, kind of exploring spirituality. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Shweta Shyamani: and yeah, Matt Kosterman: nine's a long, I mean, it's a, it's a, Shweta Shyamani: it's, that's a commitment. It's a Matt Kosterman: chunk of time for sure. Yeah. It's a chunk of time. Yeah. For somebody new. But if you've been. Dabbling in it or whatever. Yeah, Shweta Shyamani: yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure. So, yeah, so I'm looking forward to it and, you know, I'm sure that they're gonna continue to evolve mm-hmm. As, as everything has. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Sort of just one thing leads to the next, so we'll see. But it's been really great. The feedback that we've gotten has been phenomenal, and there's just this hunger. For connection. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. You Shweta Shyamani: know what I mean? I think there's this false perception that since we have these little devices in our purses or our pockets, that we can connect with anybody through 24 7 and have all this information at our fingertips that we're also connected and that couldn't be further from the truth. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Shweta Shyamani: You know, we're actually more disconnected. More disconnected, yeah. As a result of this and as a result of these platforms. And so, people are deeply, deeply seeking connection, not just to one another. To their own selves. Mm-hmm. And their own divinity. Even though that word may not be used, it's like essence, people will come. Their essence. Their essence. Like, I'm seeking something more. Matt Kosterman: Right. Shweta Shyamani: I'm seeking something more. And that's what I was seeking. I mean, you know, going all the way back to the beginning where I was in that corporate job that looks so perfect. I didn't know it at the time, but I was seeking something more. Mm-hmm. I was seeking something deeper, something that had more meaning for me personally. Yeah. Where I felt like I was having some sort of a positive impact in the world that was greater than just making rich futures traders richer. Right. And we'll just leave it at that Uhhuh. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, a deeper Matt Kosterman: fulfillment. I know when I had a, I had a post-divorce, big breakup, and I was talking with a dear friend and I said, oh, I'm so lonely. She said, yeah. She said, you're not lonely for that person. She said, you're lonely for yourself. Shweta Shyamani: Wow. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: And that's been my journey ever since. Shweta Shyamani: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: And it's, uh, yeah, and it's a fun one, but, Shweta Shyamani: well, we've talked about it. Yeah. I totally get it. Yeah, absolutely. Matt Kosterman: So what do you, what what advice would you give to somebody who's stuck? What, what, what's, where's a, what's a first step? You know, like there's that part of them that they want to go resign. Yeah. They don't, the marionette strings maybe aren't tight Yeah. Yet. Right. And pulling them, but, but they're kind of, they, they just know they're where, where, what do, what do you, what would you say? Shweta Shyamani: Well, I would see, I'd be curious about like. Helping them get in touch with what is it that you want? That's one of the first things that I'll ask people, even if they're gonna do a discovery call with me or at our first session, what is it that you want? Right? Mm-hmm. We need to put a destination into our GPS in order to be able to know where we're going and how to. Then it can give us some ideas of how to get there. And so I can't give people an idea of how to get there unless they tell me what they want. Yeah. And so you're stuck, but if you were unstuck, what would you be doing differently? How would you be feeling differently and. My curiosity is always to get to feeling Matt Kosterman: mm-hmm. Shweta Shyamani: Rather than a specific outcome. Because what, what Matt Kosterman: would it feel like if you weren't, Shweta Shyamani: or what do you want this thing to feel? If you had this thing, what would you feel? Mm-hmm. How do you think that you would feel? Because that's what people are chasing. Yeah. Like money is. The perfect example. People don't want money because they want green paper. Right. And you know, like lining their walls. They want what it'll give them. Well, what will it make you feel? Well, people will often say freedom. Mm-hmm. People will often say security, safety. So they don't want just money. They wanna feel safe, they wanna feel secure. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Shweta Shyamani: And can we decouple the desired feeling from the outcome that we believe is going to give us that feeling? Matt Kosterman: Right. So can we decouple the desired feeling from the outcome that we believe is gonna give them the feeling? Yes. Okay. Shweta Shyamani: Because if we can, and we almost always can Matt Kosterman: mm-hmm. Shweta Shyamani: Then it becomes unconditional. Yeah. I can feel the love before I have the the person and Yeah. Because the outcome is the Matt Kosterman: outcome and it's gonna happen, and it's gonna be done. It's gonna happen, and it's gonna be done. Shweta Shyamani: It's gonna happen, it's gonna be done. But Matt Kosterman: the event or whatever the Shweta Shyamani: Yes it is, but. If I can start feeling the feeling, if I can start experiencing the feeling or the emotion in advance of having the thing. That actually magnetizes the thing. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. And that goes to all the ancient teachings. I mean, there's Neville Goddard, have you follow? Yes. Have you rid Neville Goddard? Shweta Shyamani: Yep. Matt Kosterman: You know, you know, feel it. You're supposed to like lay there before you go to bed. And what's it gonna feel like Shweta Shyamani: right Matt Kosterman: when you have this, when you're in the desired future state. Shweta Shyamani: Right. Matt Kosterman: Because to the extent that you can embody that state now, you will pull it towards yourself. Shweta Shyamani: Exactly. So that, and so you're Matt Kosterman: doing these things, so you get the people. To to start, begin to visualize and feel eyes. Right. Shweta Shyamani: Embody, Matt Kosterman: yeah. To embody this, this state. Yeah. And then look at the tools needed to get the impediments out of the way Shweta Shyamani: Exactly. Matt Kosterman: That. Are there on a, on a, this, the recurring, the, the track, the loop in the head, whatever it might be. Shweta Shyamani: Yeah. The limiting beliefs, the stuckness in their bodies, whatever it is, and the emotions. That are stuck, that are unprocessed, that have been stuffed down. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Shweta Shyamani: Because negative emotion is not welcome. Matt Kosterman: Not welcome in our society. Shweta Shyamani: No, Matt Kosterman: no. Shweta Shyamani: Except for anger Matt Kosterman: in certain ways. Shweta Shyamani: Yes. Mm-hmm. Matt Kosterman: It's welcome. Yeah. We were having a discussion before we went on the air that I, through some recent meditation and all kinds of just really sludgy stuff. Yeah. Came up, feelings, loneliness, different feelings, and, and I realized that for so long in my life. I didn't feel anything big or small. And so as I've been open to the bigger feelings moving through me, then, then oh, whoa, whoa, there's more. Shweta Shyamani: Right? There's more. And Matt Kosterman: it's, and it's so interesting the way when, when we're in these stuck states, like I, I, I was actually, I came back from a trip about a month ago from New York. And I flew in kind of late and I was driving home and I was just mad. I was just angry. I didn't know why the hell I was angry and I was just angry. I was pissed off and I'm driving and some guy just comes right up my tail. Shweta Shyamani: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: And, and I had nowhere to, there was nowhere to go. Like I wasn't blocking him, you know, I wasn't in the left lane going 50, like half of the people in two 90. And, and then he went, and then I, I ended up nearly in a road rage in incident. Like the guy went around me and then, and then my instinct was I ran up his ass. Shweta Shyamani: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: And then he literally, if I had not been paying attention, he caught right into my lane. I had to rip it outta my lane here. He would've hit me. Wow. And I, and, and I was just, as I reflected on it, then the next day, then I used some of the tools. That I'd learned at ista, which we're gonna have Rich on here from Ista and, and in our next podcast and their emotional release tools. And so I, the next morning I beat on a pillow until I was growling like a leopard, no shit. And then it was gone. Yeah. And then I was able to look back and go, wow, you really magnetized that experience to yourself. Yeah. Yeah. I don't, again, and, and, and a lot of times we want to, and I did this for years, I wanna figure out why am I mad? Hmm. Like figure, I didn't know why I was mad. Everything was fine. I was just angry. Shweta Shyamani: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: And, and so to the extent that we can learn to feel the feelings, they'll move, Shweta Shyamani: they will move. Matt Kosterman: The good ones, the bad ones. They'll all move. They're, they're all transient. Shweta Shyamani: Uh, they sure are, but we usually get in the way or we throw, you know, grease onto the fire. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Shweta Shyamani: And we add onto it rather than just allowing it to move through our bodies. Right. Every emotion is, according to. Jill Bolty Taylor. She wrote My Stroke of Insight. Okay. Did you ever read that? I haven't read that one Matt Kosterman: though. Shweta Shyamani: She has a couple of TED talks. She's amazing. And she's a neuroscientist who experienced a stroke from inside of herself, so she had a stroke and she knew what was happening as things were shutting down in her brain. And she was aware of what was going going on. Yeah, she knew the physiology she did of it. She knew what was going offline and she had a, you know, significant. Stroke and then recovery from it over some period of time. But she lost the left side of her brain, basically. Okay. And so she was just, everything was open. Wow. Her consciousness was just completely open. Yeah. Yeah. She really understood how expansive we really are. She even thought like, how could we all of this expansiveness be stuffed into this little human body? How is it even possible? And she just felt just the purest love. Mm-hmm. And connection to everyone and everything. And it was just like, really cool. I would, I would've quit. Matt Kosterman: I would've quit rehab. And just yeahm good here. Exactly. This is, yeah. Totally. Yeah. Shweta Shyamani: So, but she said that every emotion takes about 90 seconds, 45 to 90 seconds to actually, the biochemistry of an emotion takes that long to move through our body. Matt Kosterman: Oh, interesting. Shweta Shyamani: Unimpeded. Matt Kosterman: Unimpeded. Uh, but we Shweta Shyamani: get in the way. Well, and yeah. And so then we amplify it, magnetize it, and talk about it. And talk about it. Then keep talking about it the next day. You can't, you won't believe what's happened to me yesterday driving Matt Kosterman: guilty. Guilty, yeah. Right. Exactly. And so Shweta Shyamani: then we just add to it and add to it. And add to it. And so what you did the next day of just letting it move through, you punching the pillow and growling like a leopard. You were done. And I was, the biochemistry moved through. I Matt Kosterman: wasn't doing the growling. Like the growling was like being done. You Shweta Shyamani: were being growled. Matt Kosterman: Yeah, Shweta Shyamani: yeah, Matt Kosterman: yeah, yeah, Shweta Shyamani: yeah. Matt Kosterman: When you really get down and just let them go, the body knows what it wants to do. Its what Shweta Shyamani: it, and all it is is sound. It's just a sound vibration. Right. The vibration came out as sound. As Matt Kosterman: sound. Yeah. The Shweta Shyamani: vibration came out as movement. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Shweta Shyamani: Right. So, Matt Kosterman: yeah. And, and. In this largely corporate environment that we live in today. I mean, I, I do feel for women because they're, they're, I mean, they're expected to not show any emotion. I mean, men aren't, men are prototypically less emotional, let's say, been, have been, have been over time, I would say, uh, Shweta Shyamani: conditioned. Conditioned, yeah. Matt Kosterman: To be, to be less emotional. The corporate world has done that and. Women were not in the corporate world for many, many years. Right. If we go back, if we go back what, 50 years largely. Right. And Shweta Shyamani: they were secretaries. They were Matt Kosterman: secretaries. Right. And, and, but they weren't allowed to show emotion then. And now as they've moved into the executive ranks, it's all clamped down. Shweta Shyamani: Yeah. I wrote, I don't know if I ever even wrote it, but it was Check your Y chromosome at the door. Yeah. For women that are in corporate, because it's like, well. You can't, you can be here, but you can't be too feminine. You can't be too sexy. You can't be too emotional. Right. You can't be, don't get Matt Kosterman: angry or you're a bitch. Shweta Shyamani: Right. Exactly. Right. Or don't, you know, try to advance yourself because then you're aggressive. Aggressive. Right. And, you know, and the, and displaying the traits that men would display because we, we were in a man's world. Um. Were looked down upon. They were looked upon. Negatively. Matt Kosterman: Negatively. Yeah. I also find it interesting, I was just working a, a conference in New York last week and, I'm trained in a lot of different fascial moves and I'm, I know these human garage moves that you can do for yourself. And so I was showing a couple of the people there. I mean, it's just some twists and things like that. Yeah. But everybody's self-conscious about who might see them. You know, being all twisted up and it's like, why, why Shweta Shyamani: twist and shout baby? Like Yeah. Matt Kosterman: It's just an interesting culture that Yeah. And, and and an unnatural one. Shweta Shyamani: Yeah. To the hu to a human. People are paying the price and people are paying the price. Yeah. I mean, everybody's like, nervous system is really on edge and, you know, we're fatter and sicker and more unhealthy than we've ever been. Yeah. Um. As a population. So something is really not working, something's Matt Kosterman: not right. It's out of alignment. Lar, in big ways. Shweta Shyamani: Huge. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. but more and more coming. I, I mean, I hold the optimistic stance that more and more people are waking up to this. Shweta Shyamani: I agree. Matt Kosterman: And, and they're they're seeking out ways of transforming. Shweta Shyamani: Absolutely. And that's, we're like people like you who are bringing this kind of material out into the world. You know, really make a big difference. Matt Kosterman: I hope so. I hope so. Shweta Shyamani: Yeah, for sure. Matt Kosterman: well thanks for being here. Shweta Shyamani: Yeah, thank you. This is great fun. That was Matt Kosterman: great, Rocco. Thanks for your input, buddy. Yeah, Shweta Shyamani: I know. He's like, I don't think Matt Kosterman: his nerve, I think his nervous system's fine. I know he slept for the entire thing. Exactly. You might hear him snoring in the background telling Shweta Shyamani: you if we could. He is like. A teacher? Matt Kosterman: Well, yeah. Right. That's what, and and Jonathan Trapi would say this, he's the myofascial guy that I worked with in one of my podcasts. But, you know, when a dog, when there's an emotion, when there's a, uh, something that frightens a dog or sets 'em off, they, their adrenaline goes, yep. They're on alert, and then they shake. Shweta Shyamani: Yep. Matt Kosterman: And the shaking is the diffusion. Of the emotion and the movement of the emotion. And then they're fine wagging their tail the next thing, they're fine moving on. And us with our little reptilian brains and the other parts and we just hold onto it. And we don't wanna shake. We don't want to twist. We don't. But I'm here to tell you twist and shout. Shweta Shyamani: Twist and shout. Absolutely. Let it out. Yeah, for sure. Let it all go. Absolutely. I mean. Live animals live more closely to their just natural design. Yeah. Right. Because they don't have this prefrontal cortex. Matt Kosterman: They're not aware. They're aware. Shweta Shyamani: Exactly. Yeah. So they just are Matt Kosterman: right. Shweta Shyamani: And this amazing prefrontal cortex that allows us to do these incredible things, also gets in the way. Gets in the way so much. Yeah. Of the natural way that we're designed, we're designed to twist and shout and run and jump. Yeah. And be together. Matt Kosterman: And hug. And And hug. Shweta Shyamani: Right. And show emotion. Yeah. And feel all the feels. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Yeah. Shweta Shyamani: Like how do I know? Because we have these feelings, right? We have this huge range of emotion. Right. Why Matt Kosterman: would we have 'em? Shweta Shyamani: Exactly. Yeah. And that's like the most natural thing. And to disallow a child, whether a boy or a girl, or Matt Kosterman: it doesn't matter. Human, small, human, whatever, Shweta Shyamani: human, that that's not okay. Right. and then either shame or punish or whatever is is doing everyone a great disservice. And so now this work undoes that. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Beautiful. Yeah. Beautiful. So Shweta Shyamani: thank you. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Shweta Shyamani: Thanks for being here. Great to be here. Matt Kosterman: Alright. And we're out.