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- Lucas: There's a story from Chewy's early days that I think gets to the heart of what makes their brand work. A customer's dog passed away, and she had an unopened bag of Chewy food she'd ordered a week earlier. She called to ask for a return label. Luna: A reasonable request. Lucas: Totally. But instead of processing a return, the customer service rep told her to donate the food to a local shelter, refunded her the full amount, and then—here's the kicker—a few days later she received a bouquet of flowers from Chewy with a handwritten note expressing condolences. Luna: I've heard about this. It's almost become legend in customer service circles. But it wasn't a one-off PR stunt—Chewy built a system around this level of care. Lucas: Exactly. And that's the episode today: how Chewy turned customer obsession into a durable brand, and why it's so hard for competitors to replicate. I'm Lucas. Luna: And I'm Luna. Welcome back to Building Brands with Fexingo. Lucas: Chewy was founded in 2011 by Ryan Cohen and Michael Day. At the time, pet supplies were mostly sold through big box retailers like PetSmart and Petco, or on Amazon as a commodity. Cohen's insight was that pet owners are deeply emotional about their animals—and that e-commerce didn't reflect that. Luna: So they built the entire company culture around empathy. Not just in marketing copy, but in every operational decision. Lucas: One of the earliest moves was to include handwritten thank-you notes in every order. Not a printed card, not a sticker—an actual handwritten note from someone in the fulfillment center. At scale, that's costly and hard to manage. Luna: But it signals something powerful. 'We see you as a person, not a transaction.' And it's memorable. People photograph those notes and post them on social media. Lucas: That organic word of mouth became Chewy's primary acquisition channel. In the early years, they spent almost nothing on traditional advertising. Instead, they invested in what they called 'surprise and delight'—unexpected upgrades to next-day shipping, small freebies in boxes, and that legendary refund policy. Luna: I want to talk about the refund policy specifically. Because it's not just generous—it's almost irrational. If a customer is unhappy for any reason, Chewy refunds the order and tells them to keep or donate the product. No return needed. Lucas: Right. That creates a massive short-term cost. But it builds trust that no amount of ad spend can buy. And crucially, it reduces friction. A customer who might have hesitated to try a new brand knows there's zero risk. Luna: And the data backs it up. By 2018, Chewy had over 6 million active customers, with a net promoter score in the mid-80s. For context, the average e-commerce company is around 50. Lucas: That net promoter score is staggering. But it's not just a vanity metric. High NPS correlates directly with repeat purchase rate, and for Chewy, repeat customers account for over 90 percent of orders. That's a loyalty loop that's incredibly hard to break. Luna: So when PetSmart acquired Chewy in 2017 for $3.35 billion, a lot of people wondered: would the culture survive inside a big-box parent company? Lucas: That's the classic tension. PetSmart was a traditional retailer. Chewy was a digital-native experience brand. But PetSmart largely kept Chewy independent, and the customer obsession didn't waver. In fact, after the acquisition, Chewy expanded into pet health insurance and pharmacy—high-touch categories where trust is everything. Luna: And they went public in 2019. The IPO priced at $22, and by the end of 2020 the stock had more than quadrupled. The market was valuing that brand equity. Lucas: But let's be clear: Chewy isn't just a feel-good story. It's a business model. Their gross margins are around 25 to 28 percent, which is thin for e-commerce. The way they make it work is through lifetime value. A highly loyal customer who buys pet food every month for years is worth far more than the cost of a few handwritten notes. Luna: So the brand investment is actually a unit economics play. Spend upfront on delight to reduce churn and increase frequency. Lucas: Exactly. And it's hard for competitors to copy because it's not a tactic—it's a culture. You can't just tell your support team to send flowers. You have to empower them to make decisions without a manager's approval. Chewy gives every customer service rep the authority to refund any amount up to a certain limit on the spot. Luna: That requires a lot of trust in your employees. And it only works if you hire for empathy first, efficiency second. Lucas: Which brings us to another key point: consistency. A brand like Chewy can't have one heroic service moment and then follow it up with a standard robot response. Every interaction has to feel human. That's incredibly hard to maintain at scale. Luna: And they've had to evolve. In recent years, as they've grown to over 20 million active customers, some of the personal touches have become more automated. The handwritten notes are now partly digital—printed in a handwriting font. Lucas: That's the trade-off. But the core principle remains: solve the customer's problem before it becomes your problem. And that principle extends to how they handle mistakes. If Chewy sends the wrong product, they overnight the correct one and let you keep the error item. No questions. Luna: It's almost like the Zappos model for pets. And Zappos, of course, was also known for legendary service. But Zappos was eventually folded into Amazon, and its culture diluted. Chewy has managed to stay distinct, even as a public company. Lucas: Part of that is leadership. Ryan Cohen stepped down as CEO in 2018 but stayed on the board until 2023. His successor, Sumit Singh, came from Amazon but understood that Chewy's brand is its moat. He's been careful not to optimize away the soul of the company. Luna: So what's the lesson for other brands? If you're not in pet supplies, can you still build a Chewy-style brand? Lucas: I think you can, but it requires a few conditions. First, your product has to be consumable or recurring. A one-time purchase doesn't generate enough lifetime value to justify the upfront investment. Second, your customer has to have an emotional stake—pets, kids, health, hobbies. And third, you need leadership that sees customer service as a profit center, not a cost center. Luna: That last one is the hardest. Most companies talk about customer-centricity but still measure call centers on handle time and cost per call. Lucas: Right. Chewy's old CEO once said, 'We don't have a customer service department. We have a customer delight department.' That's not just semantics. When you define the function that way, the metrics change. You measure satisfaction, retention, and word of mouth referrals instead of average handle time. Luna: And those metrics eventually show up in the financials. Chewy's revenue grew from $3.5 billion in 2019 to over $11 billion by fiscal 2025. And their adjusted EBITDA margin has been positive since 2021. The brand investment paid off. Lucas: One last story that I think captures the brand's essence. During the early days of the pandemic, Chewy saw a massive spike in demand. Supply chains were under pressure. Instead of restricting orders or raising prices, they prioritized existing customers and absorbed the extra shipping costs. They also launched a program called 'Chewy Gives Back' to donate food to shelters. Luna: That's the kind of move that solidifies loyalty for years. Customers remember who was there for them in a crisis. Lucas: And it's consistent with the brand story. From day one, Chewy positioned itself as the ally of pet owners, not just a retailer. That identity is so clear that customers almost feel protective of the brand. They'll defend it on social media, refer friends, and forgive the occasional mistake. Luna: It's a valuable reminder that brand equity isn't built in a campaign. It's built in every single interaction, especially the ones that cost you money in the short term. Lucas: And on that note, if you're finding these conversations valuable in your own work, we wanted to mention something. This show is completely ad-free and listener-supported. If you've learned something from episodes like this one, and you'd like to help us keep the lights on, a small contribution at buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo goes a long way. Luna: It's a simple way to say 'keep going'—and it genuinely helps us invest in research and guest outreach. Lucas: No pressure at all. But if it's something you've been thinking about, we appreciate it. And now, back to the topic at hand. Lucas: So what's the future for Chewy? They're expanding into pet healthcare, which is a massive market—over $30 billion in the US alone. And they're using their brand trust to enter it. If you trust Chewy with your dog's food, you're more likely to trust them with flea medication or even telemedicine. Luna: That's smart brand extension. But it also carries risk. If they mess up a prescription, the trust damage could spill back to the core business. Lucas: Absolutely. But so far, they've been careful. They've partnered with licensed veterinarians and built a separate pharmacy fulfillment network. The brand equity buys them a trial, but they still have to earn the trust in each new category. Luna: And what about competition? Amazon, Walmart, and PetSmart all have aggressive auto-ship programs now. Can Chewy maintain its premium? Lucas: I think the differentiation comes back to the emotional connection. Amazon can match prices and delivery speed, but it can't replicate the feeling of a handwritten note or a surprise bouquet. Those things are expensive and culturally hard to sustain at a company like Amazon that's optimized for efficiency. Luna: So the moat is cultural. And culture is hard to copy. Lucas: Exactly. And that's the takeaway for any brand builder: the most defensible brand strategies are the ones that are operationally inconvenient. If it's easy to copy, it's not a moat. Luna: Chewy chose the hard path. And that's why it's still standing out. Lucas: Alright, that's our show for today. Thanks for joining us on Building Brands with Fexingo.