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We Need to Talk · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.
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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, welcome to the almost in his podcast today,
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Speaker 2: But and I are going to be breaking down the
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Speaker 2: Fantasy Suite episode of Joey's season. Then, what's your overall
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Speaker 2: take on this episode?
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Speaker 3: Every single human involved in this season up to this
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Speaker 3: point is an emotional, romantic wreck. They have no clue
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Speaker 3: what to do next, none of them Joey included. I'll
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Speaker 3: say this, he is a spiral of chaos and confusion
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Speaker 3: and emotion. And I don't think we've seen what we're
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Speaker 3: seeing during at this point in the season in a
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Speaker 3: long time where there is I still think only two
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Speaker 3: women that will be there, I mean like obviously be
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Speaker 3: there in the end, but like really only two women.
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Speaker 3: This is the like gonna be the real deal with
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Speaker 3: but all but I but I think he's so into
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Speaker 3: all three women. I think all three owner are into
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Speaker 3: him that this is this is like pulling at my
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Speaker 3: heart strings from being in it before and having a
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Speaker 3: similar situation.
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Speaker 2: Really yeah, I know, I'm trying to think about a
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Speaker 2: finale that would have been as just like not knowing
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Speaker 2: what's going to happen, like for like the lead. The
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Speaker 2: lead probably was just.
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Speaker 4: Like I don't I would say, Peter season.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Peter, there you go, Peter.
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Speaker 3: Probably the last time I would think back on like
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Speaker 3: the kind of the same level of my.
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Speaker 2: Goodness exsiveness, But like, I don't want to call it
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Speaker 2: indecis No.
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Speaker 4: I don't. I think that's the wrong word, Ashley, Yeah
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Speaker 4: I do. I don't think we can be love for
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Speaker 4: both people.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think you can criticize. Remember, I don't
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Speaker 3: think you can criticize somebody for feeling this way at
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Speaker 3: the end. It is not indecisiveness. It's not cold feet.
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Speaker 3: It's not knowing what you want.
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Speaker 2: It's it's wanting both.
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Speaker 4: It's having everything.
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Speaker 3: It's like I have the most amazing people here with me,
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Speaker 3: and the women are going this is the most amazing guy,
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Speaker 3: and it makes it so much harder and it makes
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Speaker 3: it so much better to watch. And I think that's
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Speaker 3: what we love about this show.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great. It's it's it's really edge of your
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Speaker 2: seat right now. I'm nervous, and I haven't been nervous
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Speaker 2: for a while. Like I'm always like you know me,
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Speaker 2: I'm always like you know what the person's gonna get heartbroken.
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Speaker 2: They're gonna get over it. They're gonna become the bachelor bachelorette,
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Speaker 2: They're gonna go on a paradise, They're gonna be fine.
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Speaker 2: But right now I'm like, actually, like quite nervous because
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Speaker 2: this is like real, it feels like real love with
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Speaker 2: him and Kelsey and him with Daisy. Let me tell
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Speaker 2: you that I started out the episode when he's crying
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Speaker 2: about the fact that, like, you know, his biggest fear
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Speaker 2: again is not being chosen back, And I'm like, why
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Speaker 2: is this man such a good crier? Like why is
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Speaker 2: he He's such an emotional crier? Like his cry makes
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Speaker 2: you really sad.
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Speaker 3: I've never felt that. I mean, I don't love to
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Speaker 3: see people cry. I will say that. I I mean,
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Speaker 3: remember I said it last week. I was there the
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Speaker 3: week before this and sitting with Joey. I sat next
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Speaker 3: to him, and like, his reaction this week is not
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Speaker 3: shocking to me. You could see it in his eyes
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Speaker 3: when I was with him that this was like pulling
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Speaker 3: him to a place that he didn't know where to go.
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Speaker 3: This is an unfamiliar, uncharted territory for Joey and these women,
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Speaker 3: but it is a season of the Bachelor. There is
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Speaker 3: no prep for this.
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Speaker 4: There is no.
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Speaker 3: Life lessons that you can learn to make you go
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Speaker 3: into these situations and do them well. At this point,
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Speaker 3: for the rest of the season, Joey is holding on
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Speaker 3: by a thread because at the same time that he's
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Speaker 3: telling these women he loves them, he's gonna be saying
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Speaker 3: goodbye to people that he loves.
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Speaker 2: And when you're saying this, I feel like you're saying
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Speaker 2: this because you know Joey quite well. You guys have
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Speaker 2: multiple conversations per week. I feel like we have Joey
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Speaker 2: quotes coming out of your mouth.
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Speaker 3: It's not quotes from him, more of quotes from my
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Speaker 3: experience on the show and watching him and getting to
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Speaker 3: know him a little bit. I just don't outside of
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Speaker 3: everything else, I really love that we have a season.
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Speaker 4: That this is existing in. Okay, I know it hurts.
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Speaker 3: It hurts all the people involved, but I'm really glad
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Speaker 3: that we're watching this and we're being like, this is real. Okay,
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Speaker 3: So say whatever happens at the end, like say that
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Speaker 3: whoever he's with, it doesn't work out right, like for
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Speaker 3: whatever reason life, For whatever reason, life brings itself and
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Speaker 3: they find themselves not working out. What we'll always do
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Speaker 3: is look back on Joey's season and be like, but
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Speaker 3: we felt it, and I think that's a huge win
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Speaker 3: for us.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of like Caitlin's season.
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Speaker 4: Yes, good, good point.
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Speaker 2: We still think about Caitlin and Sean eight years, nine
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Speaker 2: years later.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think they do, but we do.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, let's go look into the step by step
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Speaker 2: the first one the first dates with Rachel and I
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Speaker 2: don't know the real order of these dates this week,
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Speaker 2: and I'm really interested to know because Rachel's is the throwaway.
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Speaker 2: It was meant to be first for us to see
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Speaker 2: because it's just we can't compare it to the other two.
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Speaker 2: It could be in a totally separate episode. Not to
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Speaker 2: say that he doesn't like her. I like her. I
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Speaker 2: know that he does, and I know that he even
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Speaker 2: said he's falling in love with her, but he never
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Speaker 2: said it to her face. Right, that's like kind of
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Speaker 2: like what he says to the camera.
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Speaker 3: I feel like he says something along the lines of
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Speaker 3: I'm falling for you. I don't remember a moment where
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Speaker 3: he actually admitted his love to her.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's so much different than the feelings of
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Speaker 2: when he admits loving feelings towards the other two that
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Speaker 2: I looked back on it and I was like, wait,
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Speaker 2: did he actually say it to her? You just say
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Speaker 2: it to the screen anyway. Well, it isn't without a
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Speaker 2: little bit of drama though, because she ends up jump
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Speaker 2: from that sky you know whatever, you want to call it,
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Speaker 2: a very high diving board, and she really messes up
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Speaker 2: her jaw. I feel like, she like whacks her face
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Speaker 2: really bad, to the point where she thinks that maybe
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Speaker 2: her jaw's broken. So they go and spend some time
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Speaker 2: in the hospital instead of who knows what they would
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Speaker 2: even been doing. But you know what, I feel like,
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Speaker 2: Evan Bass would tell you that sometimes a hospital date
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Speaker 2: can be a good thing. It's quite vulnerable, and it's
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Speaker 2: like one of those moments in life where you're like, Wow,
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Speaker 2: I really didn't want to ever be here with you,
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Speaker 2: but here we are, and it's kind of more real
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Speaker 2: life than anything you're going to experience on the show.
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Speaker 3: Maybe a little boring note here. Yeah, I was curious
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Speaker 3: about how in the world did the show get clearance
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Speaker 3: to film in a hospital so quickly.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was wondering about that. I was also wondering, like, okay,
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Speaker 2: so since that they're on a show, like and they're
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Speaker 2: at the er, do they get bounced ahead of everybody else?
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Speaker 2: Can't like wait in the er waiting room for three
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Speaker 2: hours to be seen?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, like what was going on? I want to see
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Speaker 3: the waiting room. I want to see them just sitting there.
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Speaker 3: It looks like it hurts. You can tell that it
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Speaker 3: shook her. You also know that this is the last
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Speaker 3: thing she wanted. She did not want to be hurt
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Speaker 3: and spending this day, you know, away from their activities.
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Speaker 3: But they do bounce back. I just don't feel it actually,
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Speaker 3: like I like her and I like him, I like
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Speaker 3: them together. I just don't feel it like I feel
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Speaker 3: it with Daisy and Kelsey. And I don't know if
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Speaker 3: I can put any Maybe you can help me. I
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Speaker 3: can't necessarily put my finger on it other than the
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Speaker 3: fact that maybe in my mind all season, I've just
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Speaker 3: built up that it's going to be Daisy or Kelsey
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Speaker 3: in the end, and nobody else is really like everybody
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Speaker 3: else is just kind of playing for second and thirds.
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Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Well, for me, the conversation between the two
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Speaker 2: of them is always about like, can she get vulnerable.
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Speaker 2: Is she open enough? And it's like, Okay, I'm tired
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Speaker 2: of talking about talking about it, Let's just see it
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Speaker 2: in action. How many times are I going to say
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Speaker 2: open and vulnerable and honest? And I'm just like, let's
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Speaker 2: have a conversation that is about something that is open,
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Speaker 2: vulnerable and honest. But is it about saying those words
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Speaker 2: over and over again?
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Speaker 4: Because we really haven't seen that. I mean we've we've
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Speaker 4: seen them.
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Speaker 2: Talking about her dad, remember when she like yeah, but.
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Speaker 3: Like we've seen them touch on it, but they bring
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Speaker 3: it up, but there is no yeah, there is no
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Speaker 3: kind of follow up where emotions start getting you know, expressed,
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Speaker 3: and they start sharing with each other their dreams and
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Speaker 3: what they.
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Speaker 4: Want in a relationship, and you you don't see that.
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Speaker 2: Tell me a story. It doesn't have to be a
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Speaker 2: sad story, sob story. Just like, let's see a story.
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Speaker 3: Let's see where you're at as a couple. So they
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Speaker 3: do go to then overnight. I was I would say
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Speaker 3: that that was something I was surprised about. I think
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Speaker 3: after the day date, I was curious to see if
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Speaker 3: they would actually go to an overnight or not.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I thought for sure because they needed the extra time.
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Speaker 3: That's fair, I think I was. I'm I think I'm
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Speaker 3: just waiting for to see how this ends. So I
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Speaker 3: was just wondering when when this relationship was going to end,
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Speaker 3: if it was going to end at a you know, overnight,
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Speaker 3: But what is what by them going to an overnight,
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Speaker 3: what it does for me is it shows me that
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Speaker 3: Joey is more into this than I think I'm giving
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Speaker 3: him credit for.
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Speaker 2: Especially in the morning. I thought they seemed like they
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Speaker 2: had pretty nice, like intimate conversation there.
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Speaker 3: I think I'm misreading this whole situation because I'm thinking, oh, Joey,
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Speaker 3: you know, Joey knows that it's he doesn't know what
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Speaker 3: he wants yet, maybe, but he knows that it's daysier Kelsey.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but by him.
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Speaker 3: Saying, no, we're gonna do this thing tonight, like we're
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Speaker 3: gonna go to an overnight, We're gonna take more time together,
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Speaker 3: it makes me have to take a step back and
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Speaker 3: be like, yeah, he's more into this than I thought
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Speaker 3: he was, So I have to take that into consideration.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, let's move on to the Kelsey date, which
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Speaker 2: is just everything like that date was. It was so
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Speaker 2: many feelings, so much like joy and happiness and lightness
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Speaker 2: and I love feeling that. And she was so cute
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Speaker 2: and giddy when she was excited about telling him that
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Speaker 2: she's in love with him, and it just felt good
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Speaker 2: to watch.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it overnights are so unique because you do have
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Speaker 3: kind of the ones that maybe don't hit the emotional
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Speaker 3: mark that you know you expect, and that's what I'd
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Speaker 3: put Rachel's in. Again, I could be completely wrong on this,
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Speaker 3: and I'm very willing to say, you know what, maybe
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Speaker 3: it's the two of them at the end, and I'll
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Speaker 3: be shocked and it will be yet the most shocking
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Speaker 3: season ever. And I love it still, Like it's great.
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Speaker 3: But you have those not overnights. You also have the
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Speaker 3: overnights that are very like stressful, kind of like Daisies, Right,
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Speaker 3: she's very nervous about this. This is a big deal.
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Speaker 3: It's hard to process what's happening. It's hard to process
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Speaker 3: the week and that he's kind of navigating this whole thing.
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Speaker 3: And then you have the overnights that just feel natural, like, yes,
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Speaker 3: I'm so excited to have an evening with you doing
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Speaker 3: whatever it is we choose to do. But you and
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Speaker 3: I having this evening together is so exciting for me.
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Speaker 3: That's Kelsey's We get all three this season. We get,
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Speaker 3: at least, in my opinion, the one that doesn't feel
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Speaker 3: like it's there. We get the one that's like very
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Speaker 3: nervous and stressful Daisies, and then we get the one
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Speaker 3: that's like, Hey, just you and I hanging out. Let's
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Speaker 3: like we're gonna do She even says this quote. She goes,
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Speaker 3: I get to spend the evening with my boyfriend and
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Speaker 3: it feels like, yeah, it's easy for them, so it's
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Speaker 3: so natural.
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Speaker 2: But let's also say that they wanted to freak her
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Speaker 2: out by setting her up with Leslie before.
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Speaker 4: More than they.
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Speaker 2: I did like the fact that they were able to
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Speaker 2: bond over losing their mom early in life, so I
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Speaker 2: think that they set them up for that reason. But
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Speaker 2: they also set them up because they were like, I
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Speaker 2: think Kelsey's feeling too good about this, let's put some
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Speaker 2: doubt in her mind. And I don't think the doubt
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Speaker 2: creeped in much during the date. But of course they're
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Speaker 2: gonna let you know. She gets home from the date,
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Speaker 2: she's probably even more emotionally attached to him. After the
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Speaker 2: fantasy suite and then that Simmer's in her mind that
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Speaker 2: Leslie said, I went to a fantasy suite. I thought
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Speaker 2: in that moment it was me. I was one hundred
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Speaker 2: percent sure, and then after and then then it wasn't me.
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Speaker 2: So just always remember like it I'd be hopeful, but
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Speaker 2: don't be like overly confident.
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Speaker 4: It's hard.
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Speaker 3: It's such a weird week where you are connecting on
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Speaker 3: a level you haven't yet because no matter what, cameras
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Speaker 3: aren't there, So like you are letting your guard down
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Speaker 3: in many ways, some physically, some emotionally, you know, but
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Speaker 3: you're you're hanging out in a different environment than you have. Also,
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Speaker 3: at the same time, things are said behind those doors
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Speaker 3: that are not said other places. It's always interesting to
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Speaker 3: me to see the confidence of people coming out of it,
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Speaker 3: because I do think there's a world where you genuinely
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Speaker 3: try your best not to express emotion and not to
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Speaker 3: lead somebody on, but you're telling all of them like
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Speaker 3: a life.
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Speaker 4: With you would be great. This is super fun. I'm
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Speaker 4: so glad we get this time, and.
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Speaker 3: You don't mean to be leading them on, but you
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Speaker 3: also don't know what's going to be happening next, and
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Speaker 3: so you're saying whatever you're feeling at the time. It
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Speaker 3: feels like to me, Ashley, they did set her up
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Speaker 3: to have a little doubt. One hundred percent totally makes sense.
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Speaker 3: And I also think it makes me think she's the
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Speaker 3: one in the because I don't think they would do
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Speaker 3: that unless she was gonna be the one chosen. But
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Speaker 3: I don't know if they know that at this point, or.
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Speaker 2: They're trying to foreshadow another Leslie situation where we're all like,
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Speaker 2: quite certain, she seems quite certain and then it's not.
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Speaker 2: But wait, let's just go back just because you said
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Speaker 2: there's so many things that happened behind the closed doors
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Speaker 2: that we don't see. Well, they made sure that Rachel,
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Speaker 2: who ended up saying I love you or I'm falling
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Speaker 2: in love with you, whatever the difference is behind the
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Speaker 2: closed doors of the fantasy suite. She said it there
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Speaker 2: in private, and they were like, Okay, but in the morning,
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Speaker 2: you're gonna sit down, you're gonna tell everybody that that's
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Speaker 2: what you said.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to kind of skip forward then here
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Speaker 3: with what you were just saying there and say. I
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Speaker 3: wonder if the note how much it hints back to
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Speaker 3: the Fantasy Suite or how much it hints to her doubts.
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Speaker 4: I think it could be one of two.
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Speaker 3: I think it can be the motion kind of flowing
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Speaker 3: through her and overwhelming her and her having all these
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Speaker 3: concerns and questions because her feelings are so strong. Or
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Speaker 3: it could be something that was said in the fantasy
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Speaker 3: suite that she's holding on too, and now she has
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Speaker 3: a few like maybe he did say, hey, you're the
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Speaker 3: one at the end. Yeah, And then then there's a
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Speaker 3: few days removed, and she's going if he said that,
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Speaker 3: he better have meant it, like, he better have meant that.
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Speaker 3: If not, like, and I've got to confront about it
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Speaker 3: because right now I'm tail spinning thinking about him going
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Speaker 3: on another date after.
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Speaker 4: Me and he said yes to that date? Why would
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Speaker 4: he say yes to that.
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Speaker 3: Date if I am the one in the end, Like,
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Speaker 3: it's gonna be one of those two, I think.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, especially since there was that voiceover where she says,
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Speaker 2: I just don't want I want to leave now if
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Speaker 2: it's not going to be me or something along those lines.
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Speaker 2: And what I'm scared about is that she's going to
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Speaker 2: go up to him and like, just play it a
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Speaker 2: little bit wrong. It's not wrong, but you know. It's
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Speaker 2: it's kind of like a Sean Booth move. Let's make
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Speaker 2: this theme a theme, kind of like if it's not me,
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Speaker 2: you got to tell me it's me right now, you
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Speaker 2: know what I mean. I'm afraid that she's gonna go
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Speaker 2: up to him and say, if it's not me, let
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Speaker 2: me go now. And then it's like, okay, well, you
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Speaker 2: know that this is part of the process, like you
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Speaker 2: can't can't do that, Like you know, he's gonna eliminate
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Speaker 2: word supposing Rachel and then you just got to get
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Speaker 2: through one more week. But I'm really scared about like
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Speaker 2: her just saying like I can't do it any longer
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Speaker 2: if it's me. If it's not me, I'm leaving.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it is. That's a sham Bu scenario.
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Speaker 3: It's kind of the ultimatum that you don't want to
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Speaker 3: place in somebody, especially when he has no options there,
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Speaker 3: like he can't be like no, you have to stay.
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Speaker 4: Because you are the one.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he can't do that.
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Speaker 4: He can't do it. It's the format of the show.
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Speaker 4: It's it's why this last few weeks gets messy.
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Speaker 3: I think you really do feel like you're holding on
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Speaker 3: by a thread to every relationship you have because even
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Speaker 3: the people you're most confident in are now starting to
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Speaker 3: have doubt and they're starting to ask you questions like well,
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Speaker 3: if it's me, then why are you going on other
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Speaker 3: fantasy suite dates?
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Speaker 4: And you're like, right, I don't really know.
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Speaker 3: I can't I don't even get answer formula. Yeah, like, Ri,
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Speaker 3: I'm still signed up for a show. I'm still on
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Speaker 3: a show, and this is how the show works, and
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Speaker 3: I don't really have another option, and so can you
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Speaker 3: can you like forget that I did this? I mean,
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Speaker 3: like Ashley in your Perfect World here and this is
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Speaker 3: a question fans ask every season. Though gives Joey criticism
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Speaker 3: for this, I know they will. It happens every year
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Speaker 3: to every lead Bachelor or Bachelor. You're down to the
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Speaker 3: final three, it's fantasy suite week, say you know who
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Speaker 3: you're choosing, You're you're like so convinced.
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Speaker 4: What is an option that you could do?
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Speaker 2: Like?
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Speaker 3: Could you just say no to all three? Could you
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Speaker 3: just not go to any fantasy suite? Do you say
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Speaker 3: yes to all three? Do you go to two not three?
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Speaker 3: You say goodbye to one? Like, what is the best
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Speaker 3: option here that fans want to see?
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Speaker 4: If they know that you're convinced.
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Speaker 2: The closest option is kind of what Colton did. I
18:18
Speaker 2: know that Cassie was like, I'm leaving, but he was like, Okay,
18:22
Speaker 2: I'm ending the show now. No, I'm leaving, I'm going
18:27
Speaker 2: to I'm done with this. I'm following her.
18:30
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think Colton situation is literally.
18:36
Speaker 2: And we found out that there was more layers. But
18:40
Speaker 2: then let's also just talk about how we I do
18:43
Speaker 2: feel like producers really wanted to use that fear of
18:48
Speaker 2: Joey's that the person that he would want to be
18:52
Speaker 2: with would not choose him, And I just think that
18:55
Speaker 2: this was the best way of doing something. Was like
19:00
Speaker 2: harnessing on her her like worry that Leslie instilled in her,
19:07
Speaker 2: and then just like messing with his brain somehow.
19:12
Speaker 3: I am confused, and we'll move on past this Today'sy's
19:15
Speaker 3: day here in a second. I am a little bit confused,
19:18
Speaker 3: and I hesitant, hesitate to say this because I don't
19:24
Speaker 3: want to criticize somebody for being honest about where they're at,
19:27
Speaker 3: and I think Joey's doing that. I am a little
19:29
Speaker 3: confused on how this insecurity continues to seep in every week,
19:32
Speaker 3: right now because he has he has three women that
19:34
Speaker 3: are very, very convincing that they will be there with
19:37
Speaker 3: him in the end, Like he is getting the validation
19:40
Speaker 3: he needs. These women are very into him. They're giving
19:42
Speaker 3: them all the signs. Now, you know, insecurities are weird.
19:46
Speaker 3: Sometimes they don't need to make sense of the outside
19:47
Speaker 3: world because you know, they they're internal. And I know
19:51
Speaker 3: that he's living in that and holding.
19:53
Speaker 4: On to that.
19:53
Speaker 3: But at this point now outside of Charity's experience, because
19:59
Speaker 3: I think he's way removed from that, Like I don't
20:01
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, I really don't know how
20:02
Speaker 3: much that still affects him, honestly, Like, what is it
20:06
Speaker 3: in his life or what is it through this process
20:08
Speaker 3: that has made him think that any of these women
20:11
Speaker 3: are going home. I have seen no hints at it,
20:15
Speaker 3: zero hints until this week.
20:17
Speaker 2: Just trying. They're trying.
20:19
Speaker 3: It's showing a little bit of relatability. But I think
20:22
Speaker 3: he really feels it. Maybe he's been convinced that he
20:24
Speaker 3: feels it more than he actually is. And I'm wondering
20:28
Speaker 3: if this note that Kelsey wrote will like kind of
20:30
Speaker 3: spark that up in him.
20:31
Speaker 2: Also, it's all that scary, it says, we need to talk.
20:36
Speaker 2: It's not like be scary.
20:38
Speaker 4: Oh, that would be the scariest thing.
20:39
Speaker 2: You think that's the scariest of all them.
20:41
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness.
20:42
Speaker 2: What if she's like, I just want to talk because
20:44
Speaker 2: like I miss you so much. I just want to
20:45
Speaker 2: sit down with you. Man.
20:46
Speaker 3: Sure, And that sounds like something my wife would do.
20:49
Speaker 3: When she calls me, he's like, hey, we got to talk.
20:51
Speaker 3: When I get home, and I'm.
20:52
Speaker 4: Like, about, what what's happening? Like, tell me more?
20:54
Speaker 2: My dad does that, He goes, I need to speak
20:57
Speaker 2: with you, like he te me like, are you kidding me?
21:00
Speaker 2: What the hell does that mean?
21:02
Speaker 4: Yeah? And you need more context.
21:03
Speaker 2: He started freaking out, like when he answers the phone
21:05
Speaker 2: and he's like, I just I just want to tell
21:07
Speaker 2: you that I had this piece of mail, what.
21:10
Speaker 4: I had a good piece of beats to day.
21:12
Speaker 3: You're like, you cannot do that anymore, Like you have
21:14
Speaker 3: to give me some context for what you're asking me,
21:17
Speaker 3: because my mind always we've talked about, both of our
21:20
Speaker 3: minds always go to the worst case scenarios, like give
21:23
Speaker 3: me the benefit of the doubt here. So I don't
21:25
Speaker 3: know why she just says we need to talk. Why
21:27
Speaker 3: didn't she say, Hey, Joey, I'm missing you and I
21:29
Speaker 3: can't wait to see but we need to talk.
21:30
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, we know that, we know why she couldn't
21:34
Speaker 2: say something reassuring before him. She needs to instill all
21:37
Speaker 2: the fear. But there's also one other insecurity that Joey
21:40
Speaker 2: has that we've seen between his two seasons, and that
21:43
Speaker 2: gets brought up on the Daisy date. So we'll go
21:45
Speaker 2: over to the Daisy date where he discusses with her
21:48
Speaker 2: that he's just he's just very worried that somebody is
21:53
Speaker 2: really going to get to know him and he's not
21:55
Speaker 2: going to be enough for him. He's not going to
21:57
Speaker 2: be that great of a guy. He has this perpetual
22:00
Speaker 2: insecurity that he's just not as good as what people
22:03
Speaker 2: think he is. And again I still get a little concerned.
22:08
Speaker 2: I'm like, Joey, what are you like in a relationship?
22:10
Speaker 2: Like why are you so scared? Because now you're scaring me?
22:13
Speaker 2: Maybe you do have this dark side.
22:16
Speaker 3: M Yeah, I mean it's a very valid insecurity. And
22:22
Speaker 3: in fact, I think there's a personality type that just
22:27
Speaker 3: has that intrinsic like I am a fraud mentality, right,
22:30
Speaker 3: imposter syndrome all the time, through everything, especially when you're
22:34
Speaker 3: the bachelor.
22:35
Speaker 4: When you're the bachelor, you mean.
22:36
Speaker 2: It makes sense as the bachelor.
22:38
Speaker 3: Yeah, Joey goes from like what living with his sister
22:41
Speaker 3: in Philly to them being the bachelor in nice suits
22:44
Speaker 3: and like having thirty women chased out. Now, granted, I'm
22:47
Speaker 3: sure Joey's never hurt to get good attention and he
22:49
Speaker 3: deserves it all. He's a great dude, but he's probably
22:53
Speaker 3: a moment's looking back on his life and be like,
22:55
Speaker 3: outside of this experience, guys like, this is not what
22:58
Speaker 3: my life looks like, and that concerns me, that scares
23:01
Speaker 3: me this. I had this conversation when I was on
23:03
Speaker 3: the show with the final two, was do you realize
23:06
Speaker 3: that life outside of this is not this? Like, I
23:10
Speaker 3: don't you know, I'm in bed at nine thirty and
23:13
Speaker 3: I like, don't go on a lot of vacations. And yes,
23:18
Speaker 3: you know, having a following on Instagram does help people
23:21
Speaker 3: get you on vacation more and have more of an
23:23
Speaker 3: exciting life. But for the most part, I'm still a
23:25
Speaker 3: software salesman and I still sit at a cubicle in
23:28
Speaker 3: this small little office, and I get paid like a
23:31
Speaker 3: little bit of a minimum wage. So just understand that
23:36
Speaker 3: all of this is amazing. It's not who I am,
23:40
Speaker 3: It's not what my life looks like. I would love
23:42
Speaker 3: to provide everything that, you know, the person that I
23:46
Speaker 3: love desires, but there's gonna be that sacrifice. There's a
23:50
Speaker 3: story actually that came up with me when I was
23:52
Speaker 3: doing my season and I have a friend whose parents
23:56
Speaker 3: had been married for a long time, and I'll never
23:59
Speaker 3: forget this conversation that we had. They were very wealthy
24:01
Speaker 3: at this point in their life. They were living in
24:03
Speaker 3: this beautiful, big hall. We would always go out by
24:06
Speaker 3: the pool. And one night I was over there for dinner,
24:09
Speaker 3: sitting around the table, and they started talking about how.
24:11
Speaker 4: For the first like eight years of their life they
24:14
Speaker 4: were living in this like good life together.
24:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, their life together, their marriage together, so kind of
24:20
Speaker 3: up until they were like early thirties, they were living
24:23
Speaker 3: in this small little condo in downtown San Francisco and
24:27
Speaker 3: it was like in this really tough area and they
24:31
Speaker 3: had they were talking about the food that they had
24:33
Speaker 3: to eat for dinner at night because it's the only
24:35
Speaker 3: thing they could afford. And I and that's a lot
24:38
Speaker 3: of people's stories. I understand that, but what it showed
24:40
Speaker 3: I remember this feeling and I was like, wait, now
24:42
Speaker 3: this is where they live, and they've been in love
24:45
Speaker 3: then and now, like they're in love in both places.
24:48
Speaker 4: They love each other.
24:49
Speaker 3: They would go through, you know, anything, as long as
24:52
Speaker 3: they were together.
24:54
Speaker 4: And that's the kind of love you're looking for.
24:56
Speaker 3: And I think it's kind of love that it's a
24:58
Speaker 3: hard thing to get when you're on this show. Is
25:01
Speaker 3: are you cool? Are we still going to do this thing?
25:04
Speaker 3: Do you love me even if our life does not
25:06
Speaker 3: look like this?
25:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point.
25:10
Speaker 3: And so it's that insecurity. I also think that Joey
25:12
Speaker 3: is a very humble human. I don't think he has
25:15
Speaker 3: a very like narcissistic, egotistical high view of himself, which
25:20
Speaker 3: I think is a very admirable quality. I think it's
25:23
Speaker 3: a very good quality to have. And I think some
25:28
Speaker 3: would go, oh, he has to have a dark side.
25:29
Speaker 3: I don't think that's what he's saying at all. I
25:31
Speaker 3: think people in The Bachelor tried to go, Ben, you
25:34
Speaker 3: there must be a dark side, right, Oh, he has
25:36
Speaker 3: this dark side thing going on, So maybe I do.
25:39
Speaker 3: I'd love to have a little bit of a dark side.
25:40
Speaker 3: I would love to find that dark side if it exists.
25:43
Speaker 3: But my point always was like, do you just have
25:47
Speaker 3: to understand that this is not my life. It's not
25:50
Speaker 3: that I have a hidden secret, It's that this is
25:53
Speaker 3: not my life, and I want to know that you're
25:55
Speaker 3: in it no matter what.
25:56
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, he did give a specific this time. He said,
26:00
Speaker 2: my last relationship with this woman in Hawaii, she told
26:03
Speaker 2: me that I didn't make her feel special enough, and
26:08
Speaker 2: that that could be something that he wasn't mature enough
26:13
Speaker 2: in the relationship at the point to give her everything
26:15
Speaker 2: that she needed. But also like maybe they just weren't
26:19
Speaker 2: a compatible match.
26:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't even know what that means. I hear that, like,
26:22
Speaker 3: you don't make me feel special enough. I have no
26:24
Speaker 3: clue what that means. Yeah, I don't know how to
26:27
Speaker 3: do that as a partner, Like I wouldn't know how
26:29
Speaker 3: to other than to support my wife well and to
26:34
Speaker 3: like make her feel beautiful and go on dates and
26:38
Speaker 3: you know, look at her and sit down with her
26:40
Speaker 3: for dinner and listen to her when she wants to
26:41
Speaker 3: tell me a story. Like I don't know how to
26:43
Speaker 3: make any other human feel anything differently, than what they're
26:49
Speaker 3: feeling about themselves.
26:50
Speaker 2: Well, I heard recently this week. I'm not sure if
26:53
Speaker 2: it was you that said it that like somebody was
26:55
Speaker 2: in marriage counseling. Oh okay, it wasn't you know, somebody's
26:59
Speaker 2: in marriage and the counselor said, if you could, what
27:02
Speaker 2: are the three things that will make marriage just feel
27:07
Speaker 2: better for you, make you feel more special? I suppose
27:10
Speaker 2: if you implemented it this week and it was just
27:13
Speaker 2: like hug more go to bed at the same time together,
27:17
Speaker 2: just like even if they're just gonna lie there on
27:19
Speaker 2: their phone just to be closed and stuff like that.
27:22
Speaker 2: And we don't know whether or not this woman was
27:27
Speaker 2: vocal about how to make her feel special, but I
27:31
Speaker 2: guess if Joey was ignoring the things that she told
27:34
Speaker 2: him would make her feel.
27:35
Speaker 4: Better, that's a lesson learn though.
27:37
Speaker 3: That's not like a that's not a character flaw, that's
27:39
Speaker 3: not something that like he wants to continue doing. I'm
27:42
Speaker 3: just saying, if I enter into any romantic relationship and
27:45
Speaker 3: the person's like, what I need from you is for
27:47
Speaker 3: you to make me feel special, I said, okay, how
27:49
Speaker 3: can I do that? And they're like, just make me
27:51
Speaker 3: feel special. Yeah, of course I was lost, like I've
27:53
Speaker 3: got nothing.
27:55
Speaker 2: Hopefully the person would be explanatory as to what would
27:59
Speaker 2: make them feel good.
28:00
Speaker 4: I've got I do not have that trade.
28:02
Speaker 2: Neither you and I are very concerned about Joey making
28:05
Speaker 2: people feel special or Joey being a good partner. Okay,
28:08
Speaker 2: so let's continue with the Daisy date. My biggest complain
28:11
Speaker 2: about this date was that there was like too much
28:15
Speaker 2: making out and not enough talking.
28:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I wonder too. I don't know Daisy just
28:23
Speaker 3: being as a human, you know. But Sondra's advice to
28:26
Speaker 3: Daisy was to spice things up a little bit. I
28:29
Speaker 3: think you can summarize it with like, hey, you can
28:30
Speaker 3: find ways to spice this up a little bit.
28:33
Speaker 2: That you cat me. You're right. That was supposed to
28:36
Speaker 2: be the theme.
28:37
Speaker 3: It was the theme like, Daisy, you and Joey have
28:39
Speaker 3: great conversation, you connect on great levels, right, you have
28:42
Speaker 3: this playful relationship. But I think Daisy left that conversation
28:46
Speaker 3: with Sonder being like I'm going full force into sex
28:50
Speaker 3: it up. Yeah, like let's let's make out like I
28:53
Speaker 3: want to, Like I mean, I mean it was set
28:56
Speaker 3: up with like a shower scene.
28:58
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was also set up.
29:00
Speaker 2: Basically, they were the ATV for like three seconds and
29:03
Speaker 2: then they just shower.
29:04
Speaker 3: Let's go shower. It's like, okay, I mean cool, that's fine, right, Ashley.
29:11
Speaker 3: You got to tell me if I'm just a perverb.
29:14
Speaker 3: But there's a line that Daisy says and it makes
29:18
Speaker 3: me laugh. And I could just be like a middle
29:21
Speaker 3: school boy here and like not knowing, like and making
29:25
Speaker 3: everything sexual. But there's a line that Daisy says that
29:28
Speaker 3: talking about their relationship. But then she says and it's
29:30
Speaker 3: growing in all the right ways, and they do a
29:35
Speaker 3: slow mod camera down to like their crosh line. Oh
29:38
Speaker 3: so okay, And I'm like, that's either very ironic or
29:42
Speaker 3: this show has weird minds.
29:44
Speaker 4: But it made me giggle. I don't know if anybody
29:46
Speaker 4: else recognize this. It did make me giggle.
29:48
Speaker 3: And I and I don't like that there's an innuendo there.
29:53
Speaker 2: Of course I didn't pick up on it. I don't
29:56
Speaker 2: know why. Now I feel like.
29:58
Speaker 4: So I am a weirdo.
29:59
Speaker 3: No, I feel I get it. I knew I would be.
30:02
Speaker 3: I just had to say it, no.
30:03
Speaker 2: Knowing Daisy's sense of humor. I think she said it
30:05
Speaker 2: on purpose.
30:06
Speaker 3: Okay, it was very quick, but like she's talking and
30:09
Speaker 3: then they do this like slow mode down to them
30:11
Speaker 3: in the shower at you know, at a sight line
30:14
Speaker 3: that's like none of us really care to see that. Anyways,
30:17
Speaker 3: this isn't why we're watching the show. But she's saying
30:19
Speaker 3: this in the background as it's talking. I'm like, I
30:22
Speaker 3: wonder if that's just one of those moments where an
30:23
Speaker 3: editor was behind the scenes being like perfect, so good,
30:27
Speaker 3: now this.
30:27
Speaker 2: Is everybody is involved with that. I'm once again watching
30:30
Speaker 2: this in my kid's playroom, like with him, like playing
30:33
Speaker 2: with cars in the background. So like I may not
30:35
Speaker 2: have picked up on like this sextual stuff, you know,
30:39
Speaker 2: the puns, but I know producers and I know that.
30:43
Speaker 2: Like they pulled her aside to just do a little
30:46
Speaker 2: in the moment interview and then they were like, would
30:49
Speaker 2: you say that it's growing in all the right directions?
30:52
Speaker 2: And then she was like I would say, it's.
30:54
Speaker 4: Yeah, just dirty, dirty humans. Yeah. This day is definitely
31:11
Speaker 4: a more physical day.
31:12
Speaker 3: The chemistry and connection is as strong as I've felt
31:16
Speaker 3: the whole time. There is no lagging for me with
31:19
Speaker 3: the date.
31:20
Speaker 2: Oh see there was wow. So I was like, oh,
31:24
Speaker 2: I think this is an order. I think the dates
31:26
Speaker 2: are in order because when he saw Daisy and when
31:29
Speaker 2: she was like I forgot something or like one more
31:32
Speaker 2: thing I have for you.
31:33
Speaker 4: Oh, I do agree with this.
31:34
Speaker 2: You didn't seem that excited about he was like, okay,
31:37
Speaker 2: ready now, Yes, it looks like he was like, I'm
31:40
Speaker 2: not ready to move on to the Kelsey date.
31:43
Speaker 4: You're right, And I did pick up on that.
31:45
Speaker 3: I knew exactly what you're gonna say when you said
31:46
Speaker 3: it was yes, he goes there's one, and it was
31:49
Speaker 3: that like it was very cute and very like kind
31:53
Speaker 3: of spur of the moment. But yeah, his response was
31:55
Speaker 3: like all right, cool, we're good now, Like, yes, it
31:57
Speaker 3: felt like it wasn't what he wanted at the time.
32:00
Speaker 2: I know, I think he got there like they got
32:03
Speaker 2: hot and heavy and all that, but but initially I
32:07
Speaker 2: don't think he was in the right mindset.
32:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, fantasy sweet week is you know, you're going
32:15
Speaker 3: back to back to back. You're not getting any sleep
32:17
Speaker 3: no matter what is going on in the Fantasy Suite room.
32:20
Speaker 3: It is more connectionable than any other week. We at
32:27
Speaker 3: date three, you're pretty much like I cannot wait to
32:31
Speaker 3: get this over with because I think the show typically
32:33
Speaker 3: gives you almost like two days to rest.
32:36
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, Ben, can you give us a timeline.
32:38
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've done this before, but please refresh all
32:41
Speaker 2: of our memories. Do you have back to back fantasy
32:44
Speaker 2: sweet days or do you have in between days?
32:46
Speaker 3: You have a you have you usually get done with
32:49
Speaker 3: it's exhausting, So you have a fantasy suite day date,
32:54
Speaker 3: spend the night, wake up usually early early, you know,
33:00
Speaker 3: have breakfast. You're usually i would say, leaving that dat
33:02
Speaker 3: at ten am. Okay, you're leaving the day at ten am.
33:05
Speaker 3: You go and do your ITMS, so you do the
33:07
Speaker 3: interviews till lunch. You have lunch. After lunch, typically you're
33:13
Speaker 3: doing like pickups till like five okay, So like you're
33:19
Speaker 3: do either doing media interviews, you're doing like behind the
33:23
Speaker 3: scenes like shots, you're doing b roll, you're doing anything
33:26
Speaker 3: that like that episode needs. As the lead, the as
33:30
Speaker 3: a contestant, you're kind of like free, you're not really
33:33
Speaker 3: doing much. You're just kind of chilling after that, but
33:36
Speaker 3: the lead and you're full grind until like dinnertime. Then
33:40
Speaker 3: after dinner time you're going to sleep and you're waking
33:42
Speaker 3: up the next morning and starting all over again right
33:44
Speaker 3: like very early again, So you don't really get it.
33:48
Speaker 4: I mean, you do get a day, at.
33:49
Speaker 2: Least you have one buffer day where you're not seeing someone.
33:52
Speaker 3: Those days were more exhausting for me because you're just
33:54
Speaker 3: getting thrown around and you're getting tossed around in a
33:57
Speaker 3: thousand directions and asked a thousand questions about all these dates.
34:00
Speaker 3: And by the time you're at date three, you're getting
34:03
Speaker 3: asked questions now about the week and your feelings and
34:07
Speaker 3: the comparisons and all those things.
34:09
Speaker 4: You're so tired.
34:11
Speaker 3: So is it weird that he's kind of over it? No,
34:14
Speaker 3: does it say anything about their relationship. I don't think
34:16
Speaker 3: it does, because he did get into it at some point,
34:21
Speaker 3: but he's probably like I would prefer again, I'd prefer
34:24
Speaker 3: just to not have any dates this week.
34:26
Speaker 4: I'm so tired. I'm so tired.
34:28
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I'm just glad that you have one day
34:31
Speaker 2: in between. So it sound like you're going from one fantasy.
34:34
Speaker 4: To you just couldn't.
34:35
Speaker 2: I mean, there's just yeah that you couldn't rag them
34:39
Speaker 2: out without rag them out.
34:41
Speaker 3: Well well yeah, literally, goodness, Ashley, holy cow.
34:48
Speaker 2: Okay, moving on, anything else about Daisy's date.
34:51
Speaker 3: No, you picked up on it. I do think it
34:53
Speaker 3: didn't lack. Again, I'll go back and I'll say none.
34:56
Speaker 3: Kelsey and Daisy did not set there's relationships back for me.
35:00
Speaker 3: I do think there was that weird moment that felt
35:02
Speaker 3: like off a little bit. It could have just been off.
35:05
Speaker 3: But I'll leave Daisy's day going one hundred percent. In
35:10
Speaker 3: my mind, if I was a betting man, it's Daisy
35:12
Speaker 3: and Kelsey next week. Rachel's going home in a very
35:15
Speaker 3: sad exit because I think she's great, but I do
35:19
Speaker 3: think she's going home. I think Daisy and Kelsey will
35:21
Speaker 3: be there at the end.
35:22
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna eliminate Rachel, not in a Row ceremony,
35:25
Speaker 2: because I don't think we've got any teases of a
35:28
Speaker 2: Row ceremony with three girls standing there.
35:30
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think he.
35:31
Speaker 3: I think Rose ceremonies at this point are very optional
35:35
Speaker 3: and I don't think they're necessary. I don't think they're needed.
35:37
Speaker 3: I think the only thing we might see is you know, him,
35:40
Speaker 3: talk to whoever he's sending home. They go home, and
35:42
Speaker 3: then the two others show up to a Row ceremony.
35:45
Speaker 3: He's like hey, you're here, Like, and then my favorite
35:49
Speaker 3: part of every season happens. You know what that is
35:52
Speaker 3: nil in now the very awkward three person hug with
35:58
Speaker 3: the two in people end and the lead giving this like, hey,
36:03
Speaker 3: we're still in it together, Like very awkward moment.
36:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's very awkward where.
36:09
Speaker 4: Everybody stands around and you still cheers together.
36:12
Speaker 3: You're looking at the other person and you're like, we
36:15
Speaker 3: were way past this, Like I don't I like you
36:17
Speaker 3: as a human. I don't want to see you here, like, yeah,
36:20
Speaker 3: this is very awkward for me. This is my boyfriend.
36:22
Speaker 3: The other person's going, this is my boyfriend, Like it's
36:26
Speaker 3: it's a very weird scenarios.
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Speaker 2: Very weird. I don't know. I don't know if I
36:30
Speaker 2: first see that that eve that even moment, even because
36:33
Speaker 2: we haven't seen anything like that, we haven't seen these
36:35
Speaker 2: girls with justice. To keep this fast forwarding to the
36:38
Speaker 2: finale scene, which is the last point I really want
36:41
Speaker 2: to make on this podcast, is there have been some
36:46
Speaker 2: spoiler esque things that have come out over the past
36:49
Speaker 2: couple of weeks from multiple people in the franchise. I'm
36:53
Speaker 2: not going to call out who they might be, and
36:55
Speaker 2: there's multiples yeah, And Jesse's voiceover made me think that
36:59
Speaker 2: they are almost like playing into that because he said,
37:02
Speaker 2: like you think you think you know what's gonna happen,
37:05
Speaker 2: Like you don't. Okay, Am I overreact? Am I overanalyzing
37:09
Speaker 2: that line? Because I really do, in my in my soul,
37:13
Speaker 2: I I think I know who he ends up with. Okay,
37:17
Speaker 2: but I don't think it's going to be a conventional
37:19
Speaker 2: happy ending because it keeps teasing that it's not going
37:21
Speaker 2: to be. And maybe the Tea's is just so so good.
37:24
Speaker 2: But Jesse also says that we've never seen anything like that.
37:27
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no. Even Joey himself says this couldn't have
37:29
Speaker 2: possibly happened before, has it.
37:32
Speaker 3: He says that I think Joey's saying it holds a
37:36
Speaker 3: different weight from me. You know, remember how you and
37:39
Speaker 3: I started to complain a few years ago about how
37:41
Speaker 3: the show overhyped everything, like they were like the most
37:46
Speaker 3: dramatic season ever.
37:47
Speaker 2: You know, the only thing that really lived up was
37:49
Speaker 2: Hannah Brown moving the podium and then the whole we
37:53
Speaker 2: did a windmill, and then the fence and then the
37:55
Speaker 2: fence jump. Those are like the things that were like
37:58
Speaker 2: I gotic.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, like one hundred percent right. So I'm hoping
38:03
Speaker 3: the show isn't going back and falling back into that
38:06
Speaker 3: like kind of rhythm of over dramatizing for the public
38:10
Speaker 3: to stay and pay attention, because it ultimately the show
38:13
Speaker 3: loses the fans trust, which I think is why people
38:15
Speaker 3: stop watching. Yeah, but with Joeys saying it, I do
38:19
Speaker 3: think there's something that neither you nor I know that happens.
38:25
Speaker 3: My gut tells me it's not as big of a
38:28
Speaker 3: deal as what they're hyping it up to be. But
38:33
Speaker 3: I don't know that for certain, Like I have no idea.
38:35
Speaker 4: I'm just saying I don't.
38:37
Speaker 3: I don't know what that could be. Like, I have
38:40
Speaker 3: no idea what could happen here in the final two
38:45
Speaker 3: that makes it something that's never happened before. But the
38:48
Speaker 3: show has surprised me every season that feels like there's
38:51
Speaker 3: something different that happens at the very end that you know,
38:55
Speaker 3: really throws us for a loop.
38:57
Speaker 4: I just don't know what it could be.
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Speaker 2: It could be as simple but dramatic as the woman
39:04
Speaker 2: who doesn't get picked just having a very strange reaction.
39:09
Speaker 4: Yes, smacking them.
39:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that would be something that we've never seen before. Question.
39:17
Speaker 3: I don't see it with these two. I don't see it.
39:19
Speaker 3: I don't see it with these two. Who knows it's
39:24
Speaker 3: gonna keep us engaged intrigued, Not like that we need
39:26
Speaker 3: anything to keep us engaged in intrigued. This season, I
39:29
Speaker 3: think the fans are very happy with how the season's going.
39:31
Speaker 3: I'm getting more people than ever coming up to me
39:33
Speaker 3: being like, are you watching the season? What do you
39:35
Speaker 3: think happens with Joey? I do you know in my
39:39
Speaker 3: workout class that I take here, the hot pilates that
39:43
Speaker 3: duality in Denver, it's me about three other dudes and
39:47
Speaker 3: thirty women. I know for the first time they're watching
39:51
Speaker 3: this season. I've been going here for three four years.
39:54
Speaker 3: This season, they're asking me more questions than ever. It's
39:57
Speaker 3: funny for me. They're very engaged this Yeah.
40:00
Speaker 2: I got to see my best friend yesterday and she
40:03
Speaker 2: hasn't watched the show in years, and she was asking
40:05
Speaker 2: me a whole bunch of questions.
40:06
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's great, It's really fun. Okay, Ashley, we are
40:09
Speaker 3: going to close out here. We do have a lot
40:11
Speaker 3: more content to get prepared for. We have a big
40:14
Speaker 3: week ahead of us. Obviously, we're continue to breakdown the
40:17
Speaker 3: Bachelor season. We got almost good advice, which has been
40:20
Speaker 3: a ton of fun and a big success for us.
40:22
Speaker 3: We have some great interviews coming out, so we do
40:24
Speaker 3: have a busy week in front of us. To kind
40:26
Speaker 3: of close out. I'm not going to share my opinion
40:28
Speaker 3: because I really don't have one necessarily and not one
40:31
Speaker 3: that I could speak to. What do you think this
40:35
Speaker 3: letter is intending and meaning? How do you think we
40:38
Speaker 3: see that whole letter situation play out? Is it being
40:41
Speaker 3: over dramatized? Is it a big deal? Is it something
40:45
Speaker 3: that's very forgettable? Just what's your thoughts?
40:47
Speaker 2: I think that if there's something between the two, between
40:52
Speaker 2: the two teases, the note will be the less dramatic event. Okay,
40:58
Speaker 2: I think it could simply just be Kelsey wanting just
41:02
Speaker 2: like a little like another conversation, a little bit more affirmation.
41:06
Speaker 4: Okay, that makes sense. I how about you? I don't know.
41:10
Speaker 3: Like I said, I don't have an opinion really to
41:12
Speaker 3: speak on right now. It's I typically can formulate what
41:16
Speaker 3: I think is going to be. I don't want to
41:17
Speaker 3: over analyze it because it could be way more emotional
41:21
Speaker 3: than I expect, and it could be game changing for
41:23
Speaker 3: the whole process. I will only say this, what if
41:30
Speaker 3: this is the thing that we're hearing Joey say, this
41:32
Speaker 3: has never happened before, right, yeah, Oh, but.
41:36
Speaker 2: I think that we actually see his mouth move.
41:39
Speaker 4: Oh they're good at that.
41:40
Speaker 2: Actually, maybe maybe his back is turned, but he is present.
41:45
Speaker 3: When I put that over, I'm not saying, just don't
41:47
Speaker 3: leave it out that this could be the moment that
41:49
Speaker 3: changes everything.
41:50
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay. Now next week we have women Tell All.
41:55
Speaker 2: But I also think we're going to get more of this.
41:56
Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to be a full two hours,
41:59
Speaker 2: just basically, which is good.
42:00
Speaker 4: We love it.
42:01
Speaker 2: We love not seeing a lot of We love not
42:03
Speaker 2: having a big one.
42:05
Speaker 3: I can't watch two hours of Sydney and Maria fighting.
42:09
Speaker 4: We don't.
42:10
Speaker 2: We want to happy. We want to happy come together
42:13
Speaker 2: moment for everyone though, and that'll be it.
42:16
Speaker 4: Don't we all?
42:17
Speaker 3: Okay, Hey, Ashley, it's been great. We're coming to the
42:21
Speaker 3: end of the season, which is sad in a lot
42:22
Speaker 3: of ways, but we do, as I mentioned, have a
42:24
Speaker 3: lot of good things coming your way here at the
42:26
Speaker 3: Almost Famous podcast. The fun part about this time of
42:31
Speaker 3: the year is soon we'll start having these interviews with
42:34
Speaker 3: some of the people that are your favorites from this season,
42:36
Speaker 3: including Joey the Bachelor, to you know, the Marias and
42:40
Speaker 3: the Sydney's hopefully of the world.
42:41
Speaker 4: We're going to have great interviews.
42:42
Speaker 3: Coming out, getting more of a lay of the land
42:45
Speaker 3: of this season and the behind the scenes of everything
42:47
Speaker 3: going on. So we'll be back, but until next time,
42:50
Speaker 3: I've been Ben, I've been.
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Speaker 2: Actually see you guys. Thank you.
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