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#45: Elif Eralp, Gen Z Regelt, SA convict sentenced · 20 Percent Berlin Podcast

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SPEAKER_01: Hello and welcome to the 20% Berlin podcast.
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SPEAKER_01: My name is Maurice Frank and I'm joined as I am every two weeks by...
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SPEAKER_00: You throw a fit every time I don't say companion podcast, the 20% newsletter.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we have a newsletter and this is the podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm co-founder, co-writer, co-tech guy, Andrew Bulkeley.
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SPEAKER_00: How's the tech today, Andrew? Doing well. We're doing fine.
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SPEAKER_00: Everything's looking great. Okay, good. And how are you? I'm doing well.
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SPEAKER_00: I was in Hamburg two days this week.
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SPEAKER_00: A friend of my wife from Denmark, your favorite country, was here.
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SPEAKER_00: We went out to dinner.
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SPEAKER_00: So that's the instance, as always, great place to go out to dinner, have German food.
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SPEAKER_00: Rockstar comedian lifestyle on the
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SPEAKER_01: road, trashing hotel rooms in the Ripperbahn. Yeah. Sounds amazing.
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SPEAKER_00: My hotel room was actually usually by the Hauptbahnhof. Okay.
0:51
SPEAKER_01: And that really seedy street near the Hauptbahnhof? No, Steindam.
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SPEAKER_00: It's not even, I have had a hotel in the Steindam.
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SPEAKER_00: I've had two hotels in the Steindam.
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SPEAKER_00: No, it's, I don't even know what it's called, like closer to the harbor.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: I was in Denmark last week, all of last week.
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SPEAKER_01: We celebrated Danish Halloween, which is American Halloween,
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SPEAKER_01: and I enjoyed the sort of calm,
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SPEAKER_01: subdued, clean nature of Copenhagen.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and now I'm back, and today I was in Neukölln, and I...
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SPEAKER_01: Went to one of those, you know, those old fashioned pissoirs,
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SPEAKER_01: those sort of green iron structures.
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SPEAKER_00: Café Akteig.
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SPEAKER_01: Café Akteig. Well, I went into one of those in Neukölln. Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: And I was greeted by several instances of human feces,
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SPEAKER_01: used condoms and a bunch of used needles.
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SPEAKER_00: Nice. I turned around and left.
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SPEAKER_00: We have one right here and it's fine.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, you gentrified son of a bitch. What are you talking about?
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SPEAKER_00: You live in this neighborhood.
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SPEAKER_00: Not this neighborhood.
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SPEAKER_00: Anyway, yeah. That doesn't surprise me.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, I went into like one of those pay toilet one night,
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SPEAKER_00: like two in the morning after a comedy gig, and it was just needles and drugs.
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SPEAKER_00: Needles and blood, sorry.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, it's really a shame because this is close to Kona Park,
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SPEAKER_01: which is a beautiful old park in sort of southern Neukölln.
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SPEAKER_01: And I really love that place.
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SPEAKER_01: And then I like sort of hunched in the alcoves there.
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SPEAKER_01: There were people shooting up, smoking stuff, heating up tinfoil.
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SPEAKER_01: It's just really, it's just very sordid.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah. Modern Berlin.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah. So anyway, so that was a real contrast.
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SPEAKER_01: Copenhagen, Körner Park.
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SPEAKER_01: Because they don't do drugs in Copenhagen?
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SPEAKER_01: They really limited to a couple of blocks near the station.
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SPEAKER_01: There's barely any homeless people.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know what they do with them.
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SPEAKER_01: Send them down here.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, Scandinavia, we've talked about this before.
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SPEAKER_00: They're just little islands of utopia.
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SPEAKER_00: It's not the real world.
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SPEAKER_00: They're at the edge of civilization.
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SPEAKER_00: So they don't have that many worries.
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SPEAKER_01: Right. They're basically surrounded by water.
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SPEAKER_00: And they think they're like this.
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SPEAKER_00: They have real world problems and they figured out how to solve them.
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SPEAKER_00: When in fact, you know, nobody cares about Tahiti.
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Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, they're just on the edge of nothing.
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SPEAKER_00: Like it doesn't... Anyway. I know.
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SPEAKER_01: There's even this thing that, you know, the Danes,
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SPEAKER_01: they love going on about how they're the happiest people,
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SPEAKER_01: or at least some people that do.
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SPEAKER_01: I even went, stumbled upon a thing called the Museum of Happiness. Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Which is so smug if you think about it.
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SPEAKER_01: Like you'd actually set up a museum of happiness.
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SPEAKER_00: It's kind of sad. Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Having a museum of happiness.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like when you go to Cologne and everyone's like,
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SPEAKER_00: the people in the Rhineland are the nicest Germans. Aren't we all so nice?
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SPEAKER_00: And you think like, you know, it'd be nice if you just stopped talking about it.
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SPEAKER_00: That would be nice.
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SPEAKER_00: Just be nice.
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SPEAKER_01: I know, man, the Rhinelanders and their whole carnival thing or fashion or whatever
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SPEAKER_01: the hell it is. And all these little words they say, like a laugh.
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SPEAKER_01: Don't get me started. But I guess it's not carnival season yet.
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SPEAKER_00: After, my friend, the 11th of the 11th.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, right. Okay. So we have to put up with that for the next three months.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Anyway, let's not complain.
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SPEAKER_00: What are we talking about today?
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SPEAKER_01: Today we're talking about... What are we talking about?
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SPEAKER_01: I had a list, but then I just deleted it. Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: We're talking about the big Gen Z protests that happened over the weekend in Berlin
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SPEAKER_01: and in about 23 other cities.
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SPEAKER_01: Then we also have some strange developments in the Elif, Eralp, and Die Linke saga,
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SPEAKER_01: which is just another strange trip
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SPEAKER_01: into the world of the German media.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, keep going. Let's get through it from the start.
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SPEAKER_01: We have a really horrific rape case in Berlin.
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SPEAKER_01: And then finally, we'll talk about why Berlin taxis can't pick up people at the airport.
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SPEAKER_01: Jesus.
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SPEAKER_01: It's Berlin Airport, but Berlin taxis cannot pick you up.
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SPEAKER_00: It isn't Berlin Airport. It's Berlin Brandenburg.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Go ahead. Let's talk later.
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SPEAKER_01: An organization called Gen Z Regelt. How do you translate that?
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SPEAKER_01: Gen Z will take care of it.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's an interesting name for a protest.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, it's like Gen Z's got this. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: But it's also kind of, it's like you guys, I didn't, you guys couldn't do it.
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SPEAKER_01: So we'll do it. Right.
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SPEAKER_01: So there were thousands of people took the streets around 180,000 in total,
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SPEAKER_01: I believe in about 23, 24 cities, including Berlin.
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SPEAKER_01: They were protesting pretty much
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SPEAKER_00: against everything. They had six points.
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SPEAKER_00: Climate change, conscription, increasing cost of living, underfunding education.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know what the other two were.
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SPEAKER_00: AI?
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SPEAKER_00: They didn't directly talk about AI.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: The increasing the gap between the rich and the poor. Inequality.
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SPEAKER_00: And one other thing. Cost of living? Did we get that? I already said that. Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Anyway. Anyway.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, basically modern life is rubbish.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: So nothing new under the sun, really.
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SPEAKER_01: But yeah, there's like a new energy.
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SPEAKER_01: It's less...
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, it seems like less focused on one subject.
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SPEAKER_01: Like Fridays for Future was like before COVID.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's really just like everything sucks, basically.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, it's kind of like you guys didn't take care of anything, so we've got to do something.
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SPEAKER_00: They're not gluing themselves to the streets, but...
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SPEAKER_01: Right, and what happened unfortunately was that basically
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SPEAKER_01: in a few cities it got violent because people
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SPEAKER_01: who were allegedly not part
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SPEAKER_01: of the original protests got involved, got in scuffles with the police,
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SPEAKER_01: threw beer bottles at journalists and in Frankfurt at least they smashed the windows
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SPEAKER_01: of some shops and they looted a weapons shop.
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SPEAKER_00: There's a weapon shop and a Snipes, a sneaker shop.
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SPEAKER_00: I've actually, I did the Snipes annual meeting one year.
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SPEAKER_00: I did a comedy gig for them.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah? Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: The Snipes annual, like where they announced the- Like all the salespeople got together.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah. It was in some suburb of Amsterdam. It wasn't bad. Okay. Yeah. Nice.
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SPEAKER_00: Hope that paid well.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was all right. Actually, it was all right. Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: 3,000 flat on me.
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SPEAKER_01: Right. So, you know, I mean, the usual suspects, you know,
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SPEAKER_01: you can imagine like all the- Now I love,
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SPEAKER_01: there's this one German word I love is Krawaltouristen.
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SPEAKER_01: So they're like riot tourists,
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SPEAKER_01: people who come to Kreuzberg every May 1st from like some little rinky-dink towns
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SPEAKER_01: across Germany and they go down there and then they get to throw bottles
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SPEAKER_01: at the police and Like shout ACAB or whatever.
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SPEAKER_01: And I bet those guys were like totally on board with this.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but the police are on with it too.
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SPEAKER_00: The police want to crack skulls.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, they were out there cracking skulls.
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SPEAKER_00: The best part, I mean, the best or the weird part is the right wing grabbed a hold
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SPEAKER_00: of it and said, actually, this has nothing to do with the students.
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SPEAKER_00: This is all illegal immigrants are protesting.
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SPEAKER_00: They're just using it.
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SPEAKER_00: And so that freaked out a whole bunch of luxury places on... Kudom.
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SPEAKER_01: Or nothing happened there.
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SPEAKER_00: And then boarded up their windows.
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SPEAKER_01: There was no protest there.
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SPEAKER_01: It was like the protests were in Mitter, Koitzberg, and a little one in Pencilot Park.
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SPEAKER_00: One store here on our street, they're jerks anyway, they boarded up their windows.
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SPEAKER_00: As if anybody cares. And it's like a store for middle-aged women.
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SPEAKER_00: Like who's going to go in there and like steal corsets?
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SPEAKER_00: You know? Like nobody cares about your blouses. That's not the ageist here.
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SPEAKER_00: Nobody cares about your blouses, Matilda.
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SPEAKER_00: Like seriously, man.
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SPEAKER_00: And then somebody actually, because they did that,
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SPEAKER_00: they like spray painted on the window of the building.
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SPEAKER_01: Fuck you. I mean, the scale of the looting was really,
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SPEAKER_01: really tiny compared to what's happening in France,
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SPEAKER_01: where like 1,500 stores were just totally demolished.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, we know some of these.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, it was like, here's like two or three in the whole country.
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SPEAKER_00: There's a great video of the Frankfurt police just standing there watching
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SPEAKER_00: a guy break a window on another store.
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SPEAKER_00: Like they're just standing there.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, but they're making a video of it.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, somebody else made a video, but it's just kind of funny of like,
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SPEAKER_00: It's almost like they wanted people to break in.
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SPEAKER_00: So then they have a video of like,
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SPEAKER_00: I think they weren't going because the guy had a baseball bat.
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SPEAKER_00: So they didn't want to get like theoretically as a weapon.
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SPEAKER_00: Like in America, they would have just shot him.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah. So do you think this is going to escalate?
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SPEAKER_01: Do you think it's going to go on for weeks like in France?
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, I would hope they, I mean,
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SPEAKER_00: they can go back to the Fridays for Future stuff that they once a month
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SPEAKER_00: or whatever protested.
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SPEAKER_00: There's plenty to protest.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think like the Kaval tour,
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SPEAKER_00: if the dudes doing the riots will just get tired of it after a while.
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SPEAKER_00: So you just, you just have protests and there's plenty to protest and there can be
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SPEAKER_00: a lot more to protest soon.
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SPEAKER_00: And how has Mance reacted? Have you seen anything? Has he said anything?
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SPEAKER_00: I haven't seen anything that he reacted to.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know. Like it's typical, right?
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SPEAKER_01: He's just going to like basically law and order is what most politicians have been saying.
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SPEAKER_00: But Mance all along has said, I'm not changing my course for anything.
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SPEAKER_00: We have to do these reforms.
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SPEAKER_01: Right, but you just need to say at least like, hey, we hear you or something.
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SPEAKER_00: He didn't say that when he lost, when he got his ass beaten in the state elections.
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SPEAKER_00: Why would he start talking?
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SPEAKER_01: They're not his voters anyway, and they never will be.
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SPEAKER_00: If he makes it to the end of the year, I'll be surprised.
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SPEAKER_01: Obviously, the AFD are having a field day.
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SPEAKER_01: Probably in Hessen, they got like two or three more points in the polls after this.
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SPEAKER_00: As if anybody cares about snipes. Oh.
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SPEAKER_01: And the gun shops are a joke.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, it's just BB guns.
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SPEAKER_01: Maybe some knives.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah. Oh, I'm a German.
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SPEAKER_00: I could get a Kleine Waffenschein.
10:07
SPEAKER_00: Excellent.
10:08
SPEAKER_00: That's an idea.
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SPEAKER_01: You can get a Schreckpistole.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah. It's such a dumb thing that Kleine Waffenschein to use a starter pistol.
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SPEAKER_00: Like what? What is that?
10:17
SPEAKER_01: I don't know. Totally. Hold your own marathon. I'm going to put that on my.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: You can have a relay race. I'm going to have to put that on my list of to do's.
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SPEAKER_00: Go get a Kleine Waffenschein.
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SPEAKER_01: Could be good.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, once the link takes over and they get rid of all the police,
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SPEAKER_01: you might need one of those.
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SPEAKER_00: So is your daughter back in Germany? She's in Sweden.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, so she wasn't at the protest.
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SPEAKER_00: No, she was there in spirit. All right.
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SPEAKER_01: But actually at her school, the French high school in Berlin,
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SPEAKER_01: that was the first school in Berlin to stage a protest. They did it.
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SPEAKER_01: They walked out of school for several days.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, they said they're basing this on the student protest from France. Right.
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SPEAKER_01: And that was her school. So she was there in spirit.
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SPEAKER_00: Was that the one on the Konaplatz or was the French school?
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SPEAKER_01: That's the elementary school.
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SPEAKER_01: And then the other one is the Entiergarten.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, it's by Corfoonststrasse.
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SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
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SPEAKER_00: We were actually going to buy an apartment in that neighborhood once.
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SPEAKER_00: And then when I was coming home from a comedy gig, I was like,
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SPEAKER_00: I'm going to drive through there and see if we can live here, you know,
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SPEAKER_00: because there's hookers everywhere.
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SPEAKER_00: And I saw a hooker going with her, John, onto the campus, onto the French campus.
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SPEAKER_01: It was a little, yeah, in the beginning, I had my reservations about her.
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SPEAKER_01: Walking past those sex workers.
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SPEAKER_00: We don't call them hookers, Andrew.
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SPEAKER_01: Sorry, sex workers.
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SPEAKER_00: It's true. It's right. It's my fault.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and they're just hopelessly young there.
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SPEAKER_01: It's really depressing.
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SPEAKER_00: It's actually one of my favorite comedians.
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SPEAKER_00: And I had the same thought.
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SPEAKER_00: The problem is that neighborhood's getting gentrified.
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SPEAKER_00: There's a BO company there now.
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SPEAKER_00: And the problem is that this is why I saw that sex worker with her, John,
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SPEAKER_00: and that was when I was like, we're not buying the apartment here.
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SPEAKER_00: Because when your daughter walks through there, every woman you see,
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SPEAKER_00: you just automatically think is a sex worker.
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SPEAKER_00: And this one comedian has a beautiful piece about since the BO company opened there.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like you see a woman, you're like, oh my God, the sex worker's driving a cargo bike.
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SPEAKER_00: And look, in the front, there's a little sex worker. Okay.
12:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's a beautiful... That's grim.
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SPEAKER_01: That's really... Yeah, but that's the problem with that neighborhood.
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SPEAKER_00: And yeah, they're like, it's not regulated sex work.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like the worst kind of sex work.
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SPEAKER_00: It's completely illegal. Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, I don't know if it's...
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SPEAKER_00: I hate to...
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SPEAKER_01: If you went there and, hey, are you paying social security contributions for your employees?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah. I don't think the pimps would...
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SPEAKER_01: I don't think their pimps would be able to...
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SPEAKER_00: I don't want to label those women illegal because they're victims.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they're really 18.
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SPEAKER_01: It's awful.
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SPEAKER_00: Why are we talking about that?
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SPEAKER_00: Because we were talking about the student protest, Gen Z regelt.
12:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so let's move on to the future government
12:53
SPEAKER_01: of Berlin and the latest little saga
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SPEAKER_01: in the coalition formation process.
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SPEAKER_00: So the basic thing is that when big people do interviews with big newspapers,
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SPEAKER_00: when personalities, the newspapers then later send a copy of the interview,
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SPEAKER_00: the article actually, to the person they interviewed to get it approved.
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SPEAKER_00: And the rule is... At least the quotes, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the rule is that the person that got interviewed can correct the quotes
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SPEAKER_00: or adjust the quotes so that they're saying exactly what they wanted to say,
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SPEAKER_00: not what they wanted to say spontaneously.
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SPEAKER_01: It's not just big people, everyone in Germany who gets interviewed.
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SPEAKER_01: It's so annoying, and then Once in a while, they'll even completely rewrite the interview.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah. And so it's a stupid practice. And it's also unfair.
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SPEAKER_00: If you think about broadcast journalists,
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SPEAKER_00: they get to use whatever the person says in front of the camera.
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SPEAKER_00: But as print journalists, they're German print journalists.
13:43
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I've been a journalist in Germany forever.
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SPEAKER_00: I never had a single interview authorized. Really? I didn't have to do it.
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SPEAKER_00: My editors would have laughed.
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SPEAKER_00: Because you work for like foreign.
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SPEAKER_00: I guess maybe when we were building that site, we might have could have. Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: But no, they wouldn't even believe me if I'd said, no, I've got to have them approve it.
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SPEAKER_00: That's because you worked at Bloomberg.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, my editors would have been like, you're what?
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SPEAKER_00: Pack your bags.
14:04
SPEAKER_00: So they interview Elif on Sunday or Monday.
14:08
SPEAKER_00: Explain who Elif is.
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SPEAKER_00: Elif, the head of the Dilinka, who should become the mayoral candidate,
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SPEAKER_00: because her party got the most votes.
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SPEAKER_00: They're not necessarily the most votes, but they are the most likely to become mayor.
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SPEAKER_00: They did get the most votes.
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SPEAKER_00: They got 25%.
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SPEAKER_00: How much did the CVU get?
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SPEAKER_01: Way less. Yeah, anyway.
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SPEAKER_00: So they got the most votes.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm always thinking the AFD meant if they didn't.
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SPEAKER_00: Anyway, so she'll become the mayor.
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SPEAKER_00: So they sent her this interview back.
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SPEAKER_00: And in the margins of this Word document, I'm assuming it's a Word document. Mm-hmm.
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SPEAKER_00: She and her spokesperson and one other person from Die Linke have a conversation
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SPEAKER_00: about how to change the question so they fit them more.
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SPEAKER_00: And the one question she hated was that Spiegel asked something like,
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SPEAKER_00: do you regret that Ibrahim Ibrahim, a pro-Palestinian activist,
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SPEAKER_00: was at your party or do you regret having anything to do with this person?
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SPEAKER_00: And she said yes.
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SPEAKER_00: And so then they were talking about how Aleph regretted saying yes,
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SPEAKER_00: regretted having this question in there at all.
15:06
SPEAKER_00: How did they not know that that question, they had to know that question was going to be asked.
15:09
SPEAKER_00: Like you can't go to this interview thinking they're not going to say the name Ibram Ibram.
15:13
SPEAKER_00: So Aleph writes in the thing,
15:15
SPEAKER_00: I don't want his name mentioned because me and my husband are afraid of him
15:18
SPEAKER_00: and his followers.
15:20
SPEAKER_01: I don't want to sacrifice my family for the Spiegel or something or like something like that.
15:26
SPEAKER_00: So then they, presumably they change all the other answers that they have it.
15:30
SPEAKER_00: And they're just supposed to send the edited document back,
15:33
SPEAKER_00: not this conversation they had,
15:34
SPEAKER_00: but the spokesman is so incompetent that he sends the whole thing back,
15:39
SPEAKER_00: including- Spokesperson? It was a man.
15:40
SPEAKER_00: It's a brilliant man.
15:42
SPEAKER_01: I know this is like, this is just another proof that the linker,
15:46
SPEAKER_01: like in its current form, is just insanely unprofessional.
15:49
SPEAKER_00: It's just crazy. So he sends it back.
15:51
SPEAKER_00: So now- Theoretically, Der Spiegel cannot publish private correspondence.
15:56
SPEAKER_00: He sends it back with all the comments. With all the comments.
15:58
SPEAKER_00: With this thing.
15:59
SPEAKER_00: Spiegel jumps on this comment from Elif and writes a crazy article,
16:03
SPEAKER_00: an unhinged article, that Elif's fear of Ibrahim and Ibrahim proves
16:08
SPEAKER_00: that there are entire parts of Berlin that are...
16:12
SPEAKER_00: They're ungovernable.
16:13
SPEAKER_00: The rule of law does not exist.
16:14
SPEAKER_00: They're ruled by illegal clans.
16:18
SPEAKER_01: They have D-Link over a barrel for some reason because they've got dirt on them or something.
16:23
SPEAKER_01: Anti-Semitic terrorist.
16:25
SPEAKER_00: Just a crazy, unhinged article.
16:28
SPEAKER_00: Just insane.
16:29
SPEAKER_01: Why didn't they email Elif and be like, hey, you left this comment in the document, kid, you...
16:37
SPEAKER_01: Say more about it.
16:38
SPEAKER_00: No, because then she would have actually made a decent comment
16:40
SPEAKER_00: that would have made them look bad. But this way, Spiegel can just go nuts.
16:44
SPEAKER_00: And actually, I have a couple of thoughts on this.
16:46
SPEAKER_00: The first one is, you know, they say that plane crashes are usually a cascade of errors.
16:51
SPEAKER_00: Like it just starts with the pilot showing up late. So he's stressed.
16:54
SPEAKER_00: And in the end, 400 people are dead.
16:56
SPEAKER_00: And that's how this kind of is.
16:57
SPEAKER_00: It's like the spokes.
16:59
SPEAKER_00: First off, Aleph says something kind of dumb.
17:01
SPEAKER_00: We're afraid of this guy.
17:02
SPEAKER_00: But it's a conversation just between, you know, like I would be like, you know,
17:06
SPEAKER_00: I'm kind of afraid of, I don't know.
17:08
SPEAKER_00: You know, I'm afraid of dying in a Ryanair crash.
17:13
SPEAKER_00: You know, I would say that to you just like, we're just talking.
17:15
SPEAKER_01: Ryanair is an advertiser, Andrew.
17:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
17:18
SPEAKER_00: So you just, it's just a casual conversation.
17:20
SPEAKER_00: The casual conversation then, because of incompetence, consensus is Spiegel.
17:23
SPEAKER_00: Spiegel's a bunch of right-wing Yehus.
17:26
SPEAKER_00: Oh, easy now.
17:28
SPEAKER_00: Did you see this guy who was on Presser Club on Sunday? No.
17:31
SPEAKER_00: He's just an arrogant prick. Okay.
17:33
SPEAKER_00: He's just a douche.
17:35
SPEAKER_01: Okay. The guy that wrote the piece? Yeah. Hickbun or something.
17:37
SPEAKER_00: If I saw him on the street, I just would want to punch him in the face. Okay.
17:40
SPEAKER_00: Like Lindner used to live basically next door.
17:43
SPEAKER_00: He looks as smug as Lindner used to.
17:45
SPEAKER_01: Okay, Andrew. I kind of disagree.
17:48
SPEAKER_01: I think...
17:50
SPEAKER_01: But this is an amazing scoop.
17:52
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's an accidental scoop.
17:53
SPEAKER_01: How can they not publish that?
17:56
SPEAKER_01: I would publish that if we found that out.
17:57
SPEAKER_00: I don't necessarily disagree with that.
17:59
SPEAKER_00: I so disagree with the authorization part of it
18:01
SPEAKER_00: that is like you send these interviews out to get authorization and you allow people
18:04
SPEAKER_00: to change them.
18:05
SPEAKER_00: If that is the case, then you cannot publish little notes that they put
18:09
SPEAKER_00: on that were not intended for publication
18:11
SPEAKER_00: because the whole thing was we're just talking about the interview.
18:14
SPEAKER_00: On the other hand, I agree.
18:16
SPEAKER_00: The dude was so incompetent.
18:17
SPEAKER_00: He sends us like if you send me an email chain, You know,
18:20
SPEAKER_00: that says something about Donald, including an email from Donald Trump,
18:25
SPEAKER_00: you publish it, of course.
18:26
SPEAKER_01: Okay, Andrew.
18:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
18:28
SPEAKER_01: What if this had been the AFD or the CDU?
18:31
SPEAKER_00: You'd be fine with it.
18:32
SPEAKER_00: No, I would say, actually, I'm fairly fair on things like that.
18:35
SPEAKER_00: But I'm not initially, I'm sort of 50-50 on it.
18:39
SPEAKER_01: People are going on about this. Like, oh, it's so unfair to Elif and stuff. Yeah.
18:44
SPEAKER_00: She's going to be the mayor.
18:45
SPEAKER_01: It's the major leagues. Right.
18:47
SPEAKER_01: If you're a journalist, you're supposed to interrogate power.
18:51
SPEAKER_01: And she's not in power yet, but she will have quite a bit of power.
18:55
SPEAKER_01: What about the AFD email leaks a couple of weeks ago?
18:59
SPEAKER_01: Is anyone saying, oh, they shouldn't publish those?
19:03
SPEAKER_01: All these very personal emails between party members?
19:07
SPEAKER_01: They turned out to be pretty hard. They turned out to be exactly what you thought.
19:09
SPEAKER_01: Right. But what I'm saying is that you can't have double standards about that.
19:14
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, that's what I'm saying. I'm on the fence about it.
19:15
SPEAKER_00: I just, I hate this whole thing.
19:17
SPEAKER_00: The other thing I think is the fact that Elif is afraid of this guy, that Erop,
19:21
SPEAKER_00: I also noticed we always call her by her first name,
19:23
SPEAKER_00: whereas every other journalist we call her,
19:24
SPEAKER_00: or every other politician we call her by her last name.
19:27
SPEAKER_01: Because it was on all the posters.
19:29
SPEAKER_00: That she's afraid of this person disproves the right and middle theory
19:34
SPEAKER_00: that the link is working with these people,
19:35
SPEAKER_00: that these people have infiltrated the party.
19:38
SPEAKER_01: Has she actually given an explanation?
19:41
SPEAKER_01: What does she mean by that?
19:43
SPEAKER_01: I don't think she has. It's kind of a vague thing to say.
19:46
SPEAKER_01: I'm scared of these people.
19:48
SPEAKER_01: Which people exactly? What are you afraid of?
19:50
SPEAKER_00: She said his name.
19:52
SPEAKER_01: But what are you afraid of exactly?
19:55
SPEAKER_00: This is my point. Der Spiegel jumped on this thing and said that proves something.
19:59
SPEAKER_00: It doesn't prove anything.
20:00
SPEAKER_00: And in fact, it proves the opposite because she's afraid of them
20:02
SPEAKER_00: and she's not working with them.
20:04
SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's the strange...
20:06
SPEAKER_01: It is strange, though.
20:07
SPEAKER_01: Like, if you are...
20:10
SPEAKER_01: Allied with pro-Palestinian activists.
20:15
SPEAKER_00: That's what I'm saying.
20:18
SPEAKER_01: What is your relationship exactly with the more radical ones of that scene?
20:23
SPEAKER_00: Well, that proves to you that they're not working with them, that they aren't helping them.
20:27
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
20:27
SPEAKER_00: That they're as afraid of them as everybody else.
20:29
SPEAKER_01: I just think there's a lot of questions.
20:31
SPEAKER_00: It's a weird thing.
20:31
SPEAKER_01: I think you could do an investigation and look into it.
20:34
SPEAKER_01: That's what the Spiegel should have done that before they just blurted this out,
20:39
SPEAKER_01: don't you think?
20:40
SPEAKER_00: The article is crazy. It's just like, and then there's,
20:42
SPEAKER_00: it's just like basically lists every Palestinian pro-Palestinian organization
20:45
SPEAKER_00: that ever had anything in Germany.
20:47
SPEAKER_00: Like it goes back to the Landshut, uh, terror, what kidnapping, what was it called?
20:53
SPEAKER_00: 1973. Yeah. Like when they, when the RAF.
20:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah. They held it. The red army faction worked
21:02
SPEAKER_01: with Palestinian terrorists to kidnap a, um,
21:06
SPEAKER_01: Israeli athletes from the 1973 Munich Olympics. Right.
21:10
SPEAKER_00: No, the Lonsuit was later on. Oh, was that different?
21:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's totally. Ah. The RAF had nothing. The RAF had nothing.
21:15
SPEAKER_00: I'm getting mixed up. Okay.
21:16
SPEAKER_00: Munich was straight up Palestinian. All right.
21:18
SPEAKER_00: The Lonsuit was just a, they just took this airplane. They just like.
21:22
SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
21:23
SPEAKER_00: But it's weird that you're going clear back to like the 70s,
21:25
SPEAKER_00: like terrorist events from the 70s and blaming AILIT for this.
21:29
SPEAKER_00: Like, it's just crazy.
21:33
SPEAKER_00: I mean, what did you expect, Andrew?
21:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Well that's what I'm saying. They're basically douches. What do you expect?
21:39
SPEAKER_00: Just crazy.
21:40
SPEAKER_01: I mean, they need to tighten their game.
21:43
SPEAKER_01: They really need to, I don't know, just...
21:46
SPEAKER_00: It is not. That's what it comes down to.
21:48
SPEAKER_00: That's what I'm saying, this cascade of errors of just one idiot after the other.
21:51
SPEAKER_01: You don't let people like that enter your party, first of all.
21:54
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
21:55
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I work one day a week for a big organization.
21:58
SPEAKER_00: People still do the reply all.
22:01
SPEAKER_00: People are still replying all.
22:03
SPEAKER_00: Just today.
22:05
SPEAKER_00: Like one dude's like, oh, I don't even know who this guy is. Writes an email.
22:08
SPEAKER_00: Hey, it's been a great five years here.
22:09
SPEAKER_00: I learned so much.
22:11
SPEAKER_00: I've been there five years.
22:12
SPEAKER_00: Anyway, it's like, I'm leaving. I'll miss all of you.
22:15
SPEAKER_00: And then today, reply all. Okay. Amen.
22:18
SPEAKER_01: So they're supposed to do a coalition with the Greens and the SPD,
22:21
SPEAKER_01: and now they all want to move
22:23
SPEAKER_00: on to actual coalition talks. They did move on. They started...
22:27
SPEAKER_01: Right, but the SPD is putting...
22:30
SPEAKER_01: Some parts of the SPD are...
22:32
SPEAKER_01: Especially those outside of Berlin are putting up a lot of resistance.
22:35
SPEAKER_01: There was a letter signed by 1,200 SPD bigwigs,
22:40
SPEAKER_01: including the defense minister, Boris Pistorius.
22:43
SPEAKER_00: I actually like Pistorius.
22:44
SPEAKER_00: I like him too, but he...
22:47
SPEAKER_01: He doesn't think it's a great idea. Well, let's talk about the
22:49
SPEAKER_00: SPD for a second.
22:50
SPEAKER_00: Who's got the huge pro-Putin,
22:54
SPEAKER_00: somebody who has sway in Germany, in the party,
22:58
SPEAKER_00: and is totally on Russia's side?
23:00
SPEAKER_00: Which party is that?
23:02
SPEAKER_01: He has been ostracized from the party.
23:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but did they kick him out?
23:05
SPEAKER_00: Well, I don't think they could legally. I think you could. Why can't you?
23:09
SPEAKER_00: You can kick anybody out.
23:10
SPEAKER_01: There was a legal, there was a lawsuit.
23:12
SPEAKER_00: So I think the SPD should just shut up.
23:15
SPEAKER_00: As long as Gerhard Schroeder is still in your party, you've got nothing to say.
23:18
SPEAKER_01: I just want all this kindergarten nonsense to end.
23:22
SPEAKER_01: I think some journalists should continue to look into the whole I like the more,
23:29
SPEAKER_01: the whole Ibrahim. Abraham Ibrahim, Ibraham thing.
23:32
SPEAKER_01: I am a little uncomfortable with people who are close to Hamas having
23:37
SPEAKER_01: a cozy relationship with politicians who are running a city. I don't know.
23:40
SPEAKER_00: Maybe is it just because I'm German?
23:43
SPEAKER_00: Just like, sure. I mean, it's the same. That's what I thought.
23:46
SPEAKER_00: It's like, well, you know.
23:48
SPEAKER_01: Well, maybe they just need to be really careful about this.
23:51
SPEAKER_01: You know, I think they should go ahead and fix the freaking housing crisis.
23:54
SPEAKER_01: That's what they were voted to do. Yeah.
23:56
SPEAKER_01: And I wish they'd just stop stumbling. You know? Yeah.
24:01
SPEAKER_00: Well, the problem is that they're being forced to stumble to a certain extent. Yeah.
24:05
SPEAKER_00: Don't do any more interviews.
24:07
SPEAKER_01: Just do podcasts.
24:10
SPEAKER_01: All right.
24:12
SPEAKER_01: Let's do taxis now. Taxis, yeah.
24:14
SPEAKER_01: This is another, this is a classic case of Berlin.
24:18
SPEAKER_01: Misfunction.
24:20
SPEAKER_01: So, from January 2027,
24:25
SPEAKER_01: it will be verboten for Berlin taxis,
24:28
SPEAKER_01: meaning taxis registered In Berlin to pick up passengers at the airport.
24:35
SPEAKER_01: The airport is located in Brandenburg.
24:39
SPEAKER_01: So they have different regulations for taxis there.
24:43
SPEAKER_01: It's a different taxi zone.
24:45
SPEAKER_01: The Dahmer Spreewald District Council, that's in which the airport is located,
24:51
SPEAKER_01: terminated a deal going back to 2020.
24:55
SPEAKER_01: The district says, Only 500 to 600 cabs based in Schönefeld,
25:01
SPEAKER_01: which is like the community that the airport is located in,
25:07
SPEAKER_01: are needed to meet the demand at the airport.
25:09
SPEAKER_01: They want to boast local taxi firms in the face of competition from Uber, Bolt,
25:13
SPEAKER_01: and FreeNow, etc.
25:15
SPEAKER_01: So now taxis registered in Berlin can deliver people to the airport,
25:19
SPEAKER_01: but they can't drive anyone back.
25:21
SPEAKER_01: Unless somebody books a taxi...
25:25
SPEAKER_01: Over an app or a phone number.
25:28
SPEAKER_01: It's like, what the hell?
25:32
SPEAKER_01: It's just so confusing.
25:32
SPEAKER_01: So you get to the airport, you can't go to the taxi stand, but you can book one on a taxi app.
25:38
SPEAKER_01: But then you might as well just get an Uber anyway.
25:42
SPEAKER_00: Theoretically, that was the same thing at Tegel.
25:43
SPEAKER_00: Actually, you had to get a taxi from the taxi rank.
25:46
SPEAKER_00: You had to get a taxi that had been waiting there.
25:48
SPEAKER_00: You could not take a taxi that just pulled up and dropped somebody off.
25:51
SPEAKER_00: Except that you could.
25:53
SPEAKER_01: Right. Who they cut the line.
25:55
SPEAKER_01: Because these taxis wait for three or four hours just
25:58
SPEAKER_00: to get a fare, right?
25:59
SPEAKER_00: I mean, this is insane.
26:01
SPEAKER_00: But I used to jump in the cabs all the time and just drop somebody off.
26:04
SPEAKER_01: But it sucks, though.
26:07
SPEAKER_01: Why would anyone take anyone to the airport?
26:08
SPEAKER_01: This is just great for Uber, right?
26:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're just helping Uber.
26:13
SPEAKER_01: Because they can take people to the airport and then take people back.
26:16
SPEAKER_01: Right? Because they're not technically taxis, they're car rentals.
26:19
SPEAKER_00: It's just a short-sighted, oh, we're going to help our taxis.
26:22
SPEAKER_00: I mean, okay, you know, what foreign businessmen who don't know.
26:26
SPEAKER_01: It's also a waste of fuel.
26:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
26:28
SPEAKER_01: Just a dumb idea.
26:30
SPEAKER_00: Right. So the thing is, like, Brandenburg taxis
26:33
SPEAKER_01: can take people to Berlin and then take people back.
26:36
SPEAKER_01: So it's, I don't know. Yeah, I guess.
26:39
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
26:41
SPEAKER_00: Maybe somebody in Schönefe that owns a taxi company.
26:43
SPEAKER_01: The thing is, is that the FEX train, it only takes 15 minutes now to hop on from the station.
26:49
SPEAKER_01: So why would you need a taxi?
26:50
SPEAKER_00: Does it finally leave it free?
26:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but it used to be like it only left once every hour and every other time it fell out.
26:54
SPEAKER_00: Is it like every 15 minutes now?
26:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah. That's beautiful.
26:57
SPEAKER_00: It's amazing. That's exactly how it should be.
27:00
SPEAKER_00: I've been flown in two years.
27:03
SPEAKER_01: Okay yeah what do you want, a gold star? No, it's just, it's weird. It's odd to me.
27:07
SPEAKER_01: Do you ever take a taxi to the airport?
27:09
SPEAKER_00: No. I would just take the train. Why would you take a taxi? It's too slow.
27:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
27:15
SPEAKER_01: Maybe late at night, you don't feel like when you arrive there, you'll take a taxi.
27:19
SPEAKER_00: Lately, my kids have taken me because they got their driver's license.
27:21
SPEAKER_00: I have a car.
27:22
SPEAKER_00: So my kids would drive me.
27:23
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
27:25
SPEAKER_00: So it's just dumb. I hate these stupid things in Germany.
27:27
SPEAKER_00: They're like so on the face of them, they're dumb.
27:30
SPEAKER_00: And people are like, well, that's the law.
27:32
SPEAKER_00: All right. Shut up.
27:34
SPEAKER_01: It's kind of like that story like a year or two ago where some car was just parked there.
27:39
SPEAKER_01: Yeah. And they couldn't find the owner of the car so it was parked there for a year
27:42
SPEAKER_01: and they didn't know what to do with it.
27:44
SPEAKER_01: And there was like this crazy parking ticket and then they just didn't know what
27:48
SPEAKER_01: to do with the car.
27:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah. Because it just fell through like different like.
27:51
SPEAKER_01: Right.
27:51
SPEAKER_01: There was the airport police, the federal police, the state police, the city police.
27:56
SPEAKER_00: And everyone was just hoping somebody would come pick it up.
27:59
SPEAKER_01: I think it's probably still sitting there.
28:01
SPEAKER_00: Still in the impound. No, they moved it finally. They did finally move it.
28:03
SPEAKER_00: It's probably still sitting there.
28:04
SPEAKER_00: There's been a car at Alexanderplatz on Dierksenstraße.
28:09
SPEAKER_00: Obviously stolen.
28:10
SPEAKER_00: Obviously abandoned.
28:11
SPEAKER_00: It's been there for about a month.
28:13
SPEAKER_00: Like it just collects parking tickets.
28:14
SPEAKER_00: It gets like five parking tickets a day.
28:16
SPEAKER_01: Just sitting there.
28:17
SPEAKER_01: Are you one of these old men that goes around, like, watches people park their car?
28:20
SPEAKER_00: No, it's in the way when I turn,
28:22
SPEAKER_00: when I go to Downstairs Comedy Club to perform a lot, and I turn right,
28:26
SPEAKER_00: and it's like in the way. You drive to Mitter? Oh, yeah. From Pennsylvania?
28:28
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah. Straight up.
28:30
SPEAKER_00: You know what's great right now? I'm speechless. The M2?
28:33
SPEAKER_00: Have you taken the M2 lately? Yeah. Beautiful. Yeah.
28:36
SPEAKER_00: Because it doesn't go to Alex anymore.
28:37
SPEAKER_00: It goes to Friedrichshausen.
28:40
SPEAKER_00: So much fun.
28:41
SPEAKER_00: That's a temporary diversion, right?
28:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's perfect.
28:43
SPEAKER_00: It's actually perfect for my life. Okay.
28:45
SPEAKER_00: Because then actually I take that to the club now.
28:48
SPEAKER_01: You know what is going to mess my life up?
28:50
SPEAKER_01: Well, not completely, but kind of.
28:52
SPEAKER_01: They're going to redo the
28:55
SPEAKER_00: 140-year-old bridge. It's not they are going to. They are. It started.
28:58
SPEAKER_00: They're doing it.
28:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they're redoing 140-year-old bridge at Schoenhaus Alley.
29:03
SPEAKER_00: On the face of it, that should make you happy.
29:06
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but it's going to take them like five, six years.
29:11
SPEAKER_00: Is it really going to be that long?
29:12
SPEAKER_01: Well no they're gonna take a year preparing the work.
29:14
SPEAKER_01: It's not actually happening yet.
29:17
SPEAKER_01: Setting up containers and fences.
29:19
SPEAKER_00: You've got to make sure you have the container village. Exactly.
29:21
SPEAKER_00: You can't do a construction site in Germany.
29:23
SPEAKER_01: So the entire street is going to be closed for three blocks just for the containers.
29:28
SPEAKER_01: You've got to have the container village.
29:29
SPEAKER_01: So people that live there cannot drive to their house.
29:32
SPEAKER_00: Heaven forbid a German construction site without a container village.
29:35
SPEAKER_00: I don't know what they do in those things.
29:37
SPEAKER_01: I don't know. They pee.
29:38
SPEAKER_01: They sit there and look at TikToks. Yeah.
29:41
SPEAKER_00: Nuts.
29:42
SPEAKER_00: Just a bunch of containers for no reason.
29:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
29:47
SPEAKER_00: So basically we've got a year to set up the container village.
29:51
SPEAKER_01: And then they're going to like, it's, yeah, it's like 140 year old bridge.
29:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but it probably needs pacing.
29:59
SPEAKER_01: There's an S-Bahn there.
30:00
SPEAKER_01: There's an U-Bahn there.
30:02
SPEAKER_01: There's a tram there. There's buses there.
30:04
SPEAKER_01: There's two lanes of traffic. There's a bike lane.
30:06
SPEAKER_01: There are thousands of pedestrians.
30:08
SPEAKER_01: There's a shopping center.
30:09
SPEAKER_01: It's going to be chaos.
30:12
SPEAKER_00: Is there anything good? Is there anything good?
30:15
SPEAKER_01: There's that Curryverse place.
30:17
SPEAKER_00: No, but that's your buddy's Curryverse place. It's closed now. It's closed?
30:21
SPEAKER_00: Allowed snack. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it must be closed.
30:23
SPEAKER_01: I thought it was your buddy. Well, He was like the father of my daughter's friend.
30:32
SPEAKER_00: Okay. That was a little weird.
30:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
30:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
30:38
SPEAKER_00: That's the only place.
30:39
SPEAKER_00: I think in my life I've gotten food poisoning twice. That was one of the places.
30:43
SPEAKER_01: I mean, what would happen if they didn't fix the bridge?
30:47
SPEAKER_01: I mean... What?
30:48
SPEAKER_00: Go ask the...
30:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but it's like made out of iron from the industrial era. It can't break.
30:54
SPEAKER_01: It's not rusty.
30:55
SPEAKER_00: Do you know that steel is worth a lot of money? Is it?
30:57
SPEAKER_00: Steel that was made before nuclear testing.
31:02
SPEAKER_00: Wait, what?
31:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for some medical equipment,
31:06
SPEAKER_00: you cannot use new steel because there's radioactive waste in the atmosphere.
31:13
SPEAKER_00: And when you create steel, you basically condense it down into...
31:19
SPEAKER_00: And so steel that was produced before nuclear testing is super valuable
31:23
SPEAKER_00: for medical stuff.
31:25
SPEAKER_01: Well, but Berlin will probably not
31:28
SPEAKER_00: sell it or probably just...
31:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, rot somewhere.
31:31
SPEAKER_00: I just think, you know, bridges do collapse.
31:33
SPEAKER_00: I mean, look at Dresden.
31:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but this bridge is so solid.
31:38
SPEAKER_01: I don't see how it could collapse.
31:39
SPEAKER_01: How do you...
31:41
SPEAKER_01: The Dresden bridge was made out of concrete.
31:43
SPEAKER_01: And it was made by the East Germany, but it's still... I just think like...
31:47
SPEAKER_01: This was made by the Kaiserreich, man.
31:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, okay.
31:50
SPEAKER_01: It's like literally, this was made...
31:53
SPEAKER_00: When we had Kaisers.
31:54
SPEAKER_00: It is funny when you think all of the stuff on that bridge was made like a mile away.
31:58
SPEAKER_00: You know, there were like smelters.
31:59
SPEAKER_00: They were like, it was like made here. It's wild. Yeah.
32:03
SPEAKER_01: And then there were like the coal, the air was full of coal smoke.
32:07
SPEAKER_00: Well, you know what?
32:08
SPEAKER_00: They used to make, they used to burn coal and turn it into gas right here.
32:12
SPEAKER_01: Really? Yeah. Where?
32:14
SPEAKER_00: It was called the Danziger gas plant, I think.
32:16
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
32:17
SPEAKER_00: Where the planetarium is. Ah, okay.
32:20
SPEAKER_00: So you can burn coal and that turns it into natural gas somehow.
32:23
SPEAKER_00: I don't do chemistry, but I know.
32:25
SPEAKER_00: Like everything in this never used to be covered in coal.
32:29
SPEAKER_00: Right, look at it now. Yeah.
32:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, look at it now.
32:33
SPEAKER_01: Smells like cappuccinos.
32:36
SPEAKER_00: As if you don't drink cappuccinos.
32:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I have one every day.
32:40
SPEAKER_01: That brings us to the final upbeat segment.
32:45
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's not a bad, it's finally a win for police in Germany,
32:50
SPEAKER_00: who I have very little respect for.
32:51
SPEAKER_00: Last Thursday, a Berlin court sentenced 69-year-old Frank S to 12 years in prison,
32:56
SPEAKER_00: followed by protective custody for 22 rapes of 14 women between 2016 and 2022.
33:03
SPEAKER_00: And they are looking into an additional 44 potential sexual assaults.
33:06
SPEAKER_00: And it's sort of a really sad story.
33:08
SPEAKER_00: Like this guy would befriend women.
33:10
SPEAKER_00: He would invite him over to his house. They liked him.
33:12
SPEAKER_00: He would drug them and rape them.
33:15
SPEAKER_00: And the women didn't really know about it.
33:16
SPEAKER_00: They didn't really realize that's what happened.
33:18
SPEAKER_00: They just thought they were kind of feeling sick at his place.
33:20
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
33:21
SPEAKER_00: And North Ryan Westphalia, because of this woman in France,
33:24
SPEAKER_00: the whole France situation, they were investigating a guy in North Ryan Westphalia
33:28
SPEAKER_00: who was like doing the same thing, like drugging these women, raping them.
33:31
SPEAKER_00: And these guys all videotape it. They always videotape it.
33:33
SPEAKER_01: And there's a sort of what, like dark net?
33:35
SPEAKER_01: Like a chat room.
33:37
SPEAKER_00: So they get the guy's phone number from, or phone from North Ryan Westphalia.
33:40
SPEAKER_00: And they're like, oh, there's Frank S in Berlin.
33:42
SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
33:44
SPEAKER_00: So they called the Berlin cops.
33:45
SPEAKER_00: The Berlin started investigating.
33:47
SPEAKER_00: They had to identify the women from his videos.
33:50
SPEAKER_00: Go tell them, hey, your buddy is not your buddy.
33:55
SPEAKER_01: Wait, what? They had to go tell the women.
33:58
SPEAKER_00: The women didn't know they'd been victims of sexual assault.
34:01
SPEAKER_01: So he maintained a friendship with them after they... Yeah.
34:06
SPEAKER_00: That's why it's 22...
34:07
SPEAKER_01: They were like friends. It wasn't dating though.
34:10
SPEAKER_00: No, 50-50.
34:12
SPEAKER_00: And this guy was kind of old, right?
34:13
SPEAKER_00: He's 69.
34:15
Oh, God.
34:15
SPEAKER_00: And so he's got 12 years, and he's probably going to get more for these other ones.
34:19
SPEAKER_00: And he's in protective custody.
34:20
SPEAKER_00: They're not protecting him.
34:21
SPEAKER_00: They're protecting the public.
34:24
SPEAKER_00: So basically, until he's so old that he can't really walk.
34:26
SPEAKER_00: Does that mean an ankle bracelet? What does that mean? He's in jail.
34:29
SPEAKER_00: You're in jail, yeah. Okay.
34:32
SPEAKER_00: I mean, at some point they'll let him out because he's so old and frail.
34:35
SPEAKER_01: I would give this dude life, man.
34:36
SPEAKER_00: I mean, protective custody is the equivalent of life in Germany.
34:40
SPEAKER_01: I have no empathy for this guy.
34:43
SPEAKER_01: There's, like, nothing.
34:45
SPEAKER_01: Just lock that mofo up.
34:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, you know, death penalty.
34:55
SPEAKER_01: Or no, bring back some of those East German torture techniques, like the one where they drip...
35:00
SPEAKER_01: Water on your forehead or something.
35:03
SPEAKER_00: We call that the Chinese water torture.
35:05
SPEAKER_01: Right, yeah, yeah.
35:06
SPEAKER_01: Is it the forehead? Or in your head or your nose?
35:08
SPEAKER_00: Because that was like you used to pin people down and go like this.
35:11
SPEAKER_01: Right, there was like, I remember going to the Nieder-Schönhausen Stasi prison
35:18
SPEAKER_01: and the tour guide shows you this little chamber.
35:20
SPEAKER_00: It's like a closet and then you have
35:22
SPEAKER_01: to stand in there and then water gets dripped on your face.
35:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, I think it's a claustrophobia.
35:26
SPEAKER_01: I'd be okay with that for this guy.
35:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, totally.
35:29
SPEAKER_00: 100%. That's the weird thing.
35:31
SPEAKER_00: Then suddenly you're like, oh, these medieval things are not so bad anymore.
35:35
SPEAKER_01: Or maybe just give him a job to clean up
35:39
SPEAKER_01: that pissoir for the rest of his life.
35:44
SPEAKER_01: This is your job once an hour.
35:45
SPEAKER_01: Here you go, man.
35:47
SPEAKER_00: Have fun.
35:49
SPEAKER_00: Just chain him to it.
35:53
SPEAKER_00: Uh, I mean, occasionally there's like,
35:55
SPEAKER_00: cause I do travel around a lot in Germany and I'm always
35:57
SPEAKER_00: by the train station cause I take the train and a lot of cities
35:59
SPEAKER_00: that you have porta potties to avoid situations like that.
36:03
SPEAKER_00: And, uh, my favorite.
36:04
SPEAKER_01: Wait, so all the needles are in the porta potties.
36:07
SPEAKER_00: Well, usually they have like a fixer room and then,
36:09
SPEAKER_00: but they have a porta potty so that people aren't pooping in the,
36:11
SPEAKER_00: cause those are just piss wars.
36:13
SPEAKER_00: Or like in Hungary, there's like showers.
36:18
SPEAKER_01: What is it with German train stations?
36:20
SPEAKER_01: It's just like apocalyptic.
36:23
SPEAKER_01: Like Frankfurt, Munich, Hamburg.
36:25
SPEAKER_01: It's just like you go there and you're just like, where the hell am I?
36:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
36:29
SPEAKER_01: This is the third biggest economy of the world.
36:33
SPEAKER_00: Can't we help these people?
36:35
SPEAKER_00: We'll look at Philadelphia and America.
36:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
36:38
SPEAKER_00: Time for our favorite segment. I don't even know.
36:40
SPEAKER_00: I say favorite segment every time.
36:41
SPEAKER_00: I don't know that it is.
36:43
SPEAKER_00: The bear's knees.
36:44
SPEAKER_00: Two things we like about Berlin.
36:46
SPEAKER_00: Right.
36:47
SPEAKER_01: Based on the bee's knees, what's the origin of the bee's knees?
36:50
SPEAKER_01: It's like from the 20s, like flappers, it just means something that's great.
36:54
SPEAKER_01: I mean, bees must have great knees, right?
36:56
SPEAKER_01: It's like the business, right?
36:59
SPEAKER_01: I just thought it meant something great.
37:01
SPEAKER_01: I think it's like people, like flappers, it was during the prohibition,
37:05
SPEAKER_01: so they were doing a bunch of amphetamines, and then they just said, hey man,
37:11
SPEAKER_01: this is the bee's knees.
37:12
SPEAKER_00: This is the And you've got the mid-Atlantic fake accent.
37:16
SPEAKER_01: Is that how flappers spoke?
37:18
SPEAKER_00: Well, that's how the news people spoke.
37:20
SPEAKER_00: So we thought that's how they spoke, but they made it up.
37:23
SPEAKER_01: What's yours?
37:24
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if I did this before or not, but Zumhecht in Charlottenburg.
37:28
SPEAKER_00: You know about Schlavenchen in Kreuzberg, the bar that never closes?
37:32
SPEAKER_00: This is the Western version. It's still around?
37:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Schlawinchen is still there.
37:35
SPEAKER_00: Zumhecht never closes, always there.
37:38
SPEAKER_00: Everybody goes there from Charlottenburg.
37:40
SPEAKER_00: Great little place.
37:41
SPEAKER_01: Okay, you can go there at five in the morning, get like a Bauernfrühstück. Yep.
37:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, do they serve food? They have food.
37:49
SPEAKER_00: It's also my favorite fish.
37:51
SPEAKER_01: Okay. But it's like a sniper and a restaurant. Yeah.
37:54
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
37:56
SPEAKER_00: It's open all night. Yeah.
37:57
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
37:59
SPEAKER_00: It's the same story.
38:00
SPEAKER_00: Like they tell the story about that.
38:01
SPEAKER_00: They tell about strange and that we don't even know where the key is.
38:04
SPEAKER_00: Who goes there?
38:06
SPEAKER_00: Everybody.
38:07
SPEAKER_01: Like who?
38:09
SPEAKER_01: Me. Gen U, Gen Z. Yeah.
38:13
SPEAKER_01: Older people. Older people.
38:15
SPEAKER_01: Is it a smoking?
38:17
SPEAKER_00: They're all smoking bars these days, huh?
38:19
SPEAKER_01: Okay, you can smoke and have breakfast at the same time?
38:21
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if they actually have food there, now that I said that.
38:23
SPEAKER_00: It might just be a bar. I don't think I've ever seen anybody eating there.
38:26
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
38:27
SPEAKER_01: Cool. All right, where is it exactly?
38:29
SPEAKER_00: Stuttgartplatz.
38:31
SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's a kind of seedy place. It is, isn't it?
38:34
SPEAKER_01: Look, between the cracks.
38:36
SPEAKER_01: Well, because there's bridges, the S-Bahn bridges or the train bridges are there.
38:40
SPEAKER_01: There's street walkers there sometimes.
38:42
SPEAKER_00: I guess there are, aren't there? Yeah.
38:44
SPEAKER_00: Did you know there's a street where there's a sex worker on Oraniburger Straße again now?
38:47
SPEAKER_00: Hmm.
38:49
SPEAKER_00: Just one? Just one.
38:50
SPEAKER_00: I think she might work for the German Historical Museum.
38:53
SPEAKER_01: Wait, she's like an exhibit?
38:56
SPEAKER_00: I know it's weird that they're back.
38:58
SPEAKER_01: It really blew my mind when I came here in the 90s.
39:01
SPEAKER_01: You go down to Aranienburger Straßenmitte and it would just be dozens of women in ski outfits.
39:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, crazy. It was nuts.
39:11
SPEAKER_01: But no, they've all gone on to Telegram and whatever.
39:14
SPEAKER_00: Except for this one woman.
39:15
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
39:16
SPEAKER_00: Who probably is the daughter of one of the people who was out there
39:18
SPEAKER_00: when we were here, back in the 90s.
39:21
SPEAKER_01: Who knows? Or I don't know.
39:23
SPEAKER_01: Maybe she doesn't believe in, like, she's an anti-tech activist or something.
39:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
39:28
SPEAKER_00: I mean, the thing, it's not like, I always wonder, where do you go with these women?
39:32
SPEAKER_00: Like, they're standing on a Rheinberger schloss, no?
39:33
SPEAKER_01: I think you're going to Mon Bajou Park.
39:35
SPEAKER_00: They always went around the corner and the Hakasha mocked someone.
39:37
SPEAKER_00: They had like an apartment. Okay.
39:39
SPEAKER_00: Maybe you know better than I do.
39:41
SPEAKER_00: Whoa, a friend of mine asked this.
39:43
SPEAKER_00: A friend of mine asked. Asked our friend.
39:45
SPEAKER_01: Our friend. The person we know in common.
39:49
SPEAKER_00: He claims he only asked them.
39:51
SPEAKER_01: That really intelligent guy you know?
39:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah. He claims he only asked.
39:55
SPEAKER_01: Okay. All right.
39:57
SPEAKER_01: He's a journalist too, right? Yeah. Yeah.
40:00
SPEAKER_01: Fine.
40:01
SPEAKER_01: Cool. You know, I have an outdoor bear's knees today.
40:06
SPEAKER_01: I was down in Neukölln, a photographer who called Olivia, Olivia Hoss.
40:12
SPEAKER_01: Shout out, Olivia.
40:15
SPEAKER_01: She claims to listen to this podcast,
40:16
SPEAKER_01: which is nice.
40:19
SPEAKER_01: And Olivia took some photos of me today, which I can use in my profiles, et cetera.
40:23
SPEAKER_01: Anyway, we did it in this park, Anita Berber Park. Do you know it?
40:27
SPEAKER_00: I do not.
40:27
SPEAKER_01: Who's Anita Berber?
40:29
SPEAKER_01: She was kind of a flapper type, I believe. Exactly.
40:32
SPEAKER_01: Back in the day.
40:34
SPEAKER_01: And this is a park sort of between Hermannstraße and Tempelhof.
40:42
SPEAKER_01: It's incredible.
40:43
SPEAKER_00: How is there a park in there?
40:45
SPEAKER_01: I think it's a former cemetery.
40:49
SPEAKER_00: And there's a sort of big
40:49
SPEAKER_01: avenue with these giant trees and like the full colors are incredible.
40:53
SPEAKER_01: You know, it's like all yellow, red, green. Beautiful.
40:57
SPEAKER_00: Anita Berberpark.
41:00
SPEAKER_00: Incredible light.
41:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
41:04
SPEAKER_01: it's kind of an extension of that.
41:08
SPEAKER_01: Hermannstrasse.
41:10
SPEAKER_01: Leading on to sort of the southern, southeastern part of Temple of the Third.
41:15
SPEAKER_00: I mean, probably in my mind, is it then like where there's like some sport clubs?
41:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's sort of wedged in between it though.
41:23
SPEAKER_00: I think I know where it is.
41:24
SPEAKER_00: I guess I always thought that was just kind of an extension of Temple of the Third.
41:26
SPEAKER_00: It went across Columbia Dam or whatever.
41:29
SPEAKER_01: It's a very special small park.
41:34
SPEAKER_00: Speaking of Temple of, like I...
41:37
SPEAKER_00: And then we walked onto the Temple of the Third and I did a few photos there.
41:39
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, yeah, okay.
41:41
SPEAKER_01: I understand this.
41:42
SPEAKER_01: I understand that you guys don't want to build stuff here.
41:44
SPEAKER_00: You don't even deserve to go there.
41:49
SPEAKER_01: Whenever I go there once a month, I get it.
41:54
SPEAKER_01: But maybe just build along the altar barn.
41:56
SPEAKER_01: Just so you don't get the noise.
41:58
SPEAKER_01: Just build along the big road.
42:00
SPEAKER_00: Like, like a few blocks.
42:01
SPEAKER_00: I mean, the problem is every time we talk about this and I'm like, oh, don't,
42:04
SPEAKER_00: don't build it all.
42:04
SPEAKER_00: I think that maybe build along the Audubon or like you look in the edge
42:08
SPEAKER_00: and they're just parking a bunch of campers there.
42:10
SPEAKER_01: Yeah. Get rid of those campers.
42:12
SPEAKER_00: So, but Berlin's allowed to have unique selling points in Temple,
42:15
SPEAKER_00: if it's one of them, we don't, do not need to start that battle again.
42:19
SPEAKER_01: Right.
42:21
SPEAKER_00: Nice.
42:22
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42:26
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42:36
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