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I Am All In…Again: We are IN, we are ALL In (Season 5 E3 “Written in the Stars") · I Am All In with Scott Patterson

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  Speaker 1: I am all in.
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  Speaker 2: Again!
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  Speaker 1: More, more, more.
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  Speaker 3: I want to kiss you more.
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  Speaker 2: More, more, more.
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  Speaker 3: I want to kiss you more.
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  Speaker 1: I Am All In, again, with Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio Podcast. Hey, everybody.
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  Speaker 1: Scott Patterson, iAmAllIn Podcast, one of the productions of iHeartRadio Media.
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  Speaker 1: iHeart Podcast. We have a recap episode here. It's episode three,
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  Speaker 1: season five, written in the stars' air date, October 5th, 2004.
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  Speaker 1: I am joined by the illustrious and ever-popular Suzanne French. Suzanne, hello. Pleasure. Hello.
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  Speaker 1: How you doing?
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  Speaker 2: I'm excited to be here.
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  Speaker 4: This is the I Am All In episode.
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  Speaker 1: It's a biggie. It's definitely a biggie. Luke and Laurel,
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  Speaker 1: I go on the first date. Emily and Richard are
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  Speaker 1: figuring out being separated by a pool house, and Rory
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  Speaker 1: meets the man of dreams, Logan. Directed by Kenny Ortega,
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  Speaker 1: written by Amy Sherman Palladino. Emily and Richard are separated.
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  Speaker 1: Rory and Lorelei start Friday night dinner in Richard's pool house,
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  Speaker 1: then move to the main house with Emily for dinner.
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  Speaker 1: She asks for repeated stories, and Richard walks in, grabs something.
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  Speaker 1: They argue. Emily gets mail for a luncheon. asks for
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  Speaker 1: a meeting with Richard. They sit at the table, take
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  Speaker 1: care of business, argue about the car, parties. Emily has
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  Speaker 1: dinner by herself, and she compliments Madonna Louise. She goes
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  Speaker 1: on to read by herself, walks around. She peeks outside,
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  Speaker 1: sees Richard leaving. She calls Lorelai and is stunned. Richard
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  Speaker 1: is leaving somewhere, 7.30 at night. Emily leaves the house
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  Speaker 1: as well, calls Lorelai again from the car, this time
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  Speaker 1: venting to her she isn't going to drive home until
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  Speaker 1: Richard is home. She shows up at Rory's dorm. But
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  Speaker 1: the wake for Asher Fleming is happening.
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  Speaker 5: Paris thinks she's there for support and hugs Emily.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Suzanne, let's get into this. How does seeing
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  Speaker 1: Emily and Richard this way make you feel?
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  Speaker 4: You know, this whole episode is about transitions. So relationships beginning,
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  Speaker 4: relationships potentially ending. it is sad in a way to
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  Speaker 4: see Emily and Richard being apart. You know, Richard is
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  Speaker 4: trying to give Emily her space until she works through
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  Speaker 4: whatever it is that's going on, but she almost doesn't
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  Speaker 4: know what to do with that space. Like she's wandering
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  Speaker 4: around the living room. She sits to read a book,
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  Speaker 4: but doesn't want to read a book. And it's just
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  Speaker 4: interesting to watch. So I feel kind of bad, but
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  Speaker 4: at the same time, I also think like this was
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  Speaker 4: a long time coming. Like Emily has had, you know,
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  Speaker 4: kind of all this, this pent up frustration.
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  Speaker 2: For years now.
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  Speaker 4: And she needs to break out a little bit and
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  Speaker 4: kind of figure out.
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  Speaker 1: What she wants.
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  Speaker 4: So, you know, she's, she's confused basically.
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  Speaker 2: And she's trying to figure out, you know, what feels
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  Speaker 2: right for her.
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  Speaker 1: So you mentioned, you mentioned it's a little sad, but
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  Speaker 1: is it maddening as well?
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  Speaker 3: Does it make you a little loco watching this? I,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I don't know, Emily, there's just kind of
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  Speaker 3: always a baseline level of mad with Emily for me
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  Speaker 3: at least.
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  Speaker 4: But, you know, she is, she is kind of mean
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  Speaker 4: to Richard. Like he comes in to get something out
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  Speaker 4: of his office and she, you know, rips him a
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  Speaker 4: new one in the dining room right there. And so it,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, she always is kind of frustrating to me.
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  Speaker 4: But I, I think I, I don't know. I, I,
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  Speaker 4: I sort of saw this as possibly a new beginning
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  Speaker 4: for her. She's trying to break out of her shell,
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  Speaker 4: you know, trying to figure out what her role in
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  Speaker 4: life is as Emily Gilmore and not Mrs. Richard Gilmore.
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  Speaker 4: So for me, that was more the focus.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's two different characters, isn't it? That's interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, they're handling everything now like it's a
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  Speaker 1: business transaction, but yet we see Emily act like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a young lady going after her ex-boyfriend later in the
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  Speaker 1: episode on Hinge, right? Right, right. So, you know, we're
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  Speaker 1: seeing a different side of Emily, you know, during the separation.
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  Speaker 1: Would you call it a good or a bad side, Suzanne?
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  Speaker 2: You know, I think there's elements of both.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think....
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  Speaker 4: You know, like you said, it's a business meeting. They
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  Speaker 4: make a point of showing them at opposite ends of
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  Speaker 4: this giant table, you know, talking about the meetings and
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  Speaker 4: the cars and the social events.
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  Speaker 2: But then she, like, loses.
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  Speaker 4: Her mind when he's leaving at night and she doesn't
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  Speaker 4: know where he's going. So I think it's good and bad.
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  Speaker 4: I think she's trying to find her place but also
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  Speaker 4: not understanding– what that place is going to be. So
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  Speaker 4: I think there's kind of, it's like two sides of
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  Speaker 4: the same coin, basically.
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  Speaker 1: Where do you think this is headed? I mean, if
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  Speaker 1: you hadn't seen the show, if you didn't have any
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  Speaker 1: knowledge of the show, and we know you have more
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  Speaker 1: knowledge than most people, where do you see this headed?
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  Speaker 4: So when I watched this, I was actually thinking from
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  Speaker 4: that perspective, because I very clearly remember the first time
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  Speaker 4: I saw this episode. So I was kind of thinking
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  Speaker 4: of it from that perspective. And At the time, I
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  Speaker 4: kind of always had a sense that this separation was
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  Speaker 4: going to be temporary because I just can't picture in
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  Speaker 4: my head Emily and Richard not joined together at the hip.
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  Speaker 2: So even from the very first.
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  Speaker 4: Time I saw this episode, I had this sense that
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  Speaker 4: they were going to work it out and somehow come
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  Speaker 4: to an understanding and meet in the middle. But I
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  Speaker 4: never could envision them not being together permanently.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And maybe Emily got to Emily that she's on a
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  Speaker 1: really good show and she should stay. Yes. Anyway, back
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  Speaker 1: to Luke and Lorelei. Here we go. Luke and Lorelei.
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  Speaker 1: Big episode, Suzanne, huh? Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Luke and Lorelei secretly flirt at Luke's. And he asked
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  Speaker 1: her out on a date that night. For their date,
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  Speaker 1: they head to none other than Sniffy's Tavern. Yes. Because
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  Speaker 1: if you haven't been to Sniffy's Tavern, you haven't sniffed.
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  Speaker 1: Luke knows the owners and he frequents it two or
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  Speaker 1: three times a week. I wonder why it's the only
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  Speaker 1: time we ever saw it. Yes. Because we really just
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  Speaker 1: want to see Luke in the diner, don't we? Right.
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  Speaker 1: We don't want to have to recalibrate. This is Luke
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  Speaker 1: in Sniffy's.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: He recalls the exact moment. He met Lorelei and keeps
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  Speaker 1: a horoscope. She gave him in his wallet eight years prior.
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  Speaker 1: She loves it. And we get into the iconic line, Lorelei,
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  Speaker 1: this thing we are doing here, me and you. I
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  Speaker 1: just want you to know I am in. I am
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  Speaker 1: all in. And yes, I recreated that performance for you
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  Speaker 1: right here. And it's certainly not as impactful. Should I
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  Speaker 1: try it again? Do you want to try it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, give it one more go.
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  Speaker 1: Should I give it another go? All right, let me
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  Speaker 1: try it again. Lorelei, this thing we're doing here, me
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  Speaker 1: and you, I just want you to know I'm all in. No, no.
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  Speaker 1: He says I'm in. I am all in, right? Yes. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: We have to go back.
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  Speaker 3: Take three.
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  Speaker 1: Take three. All right. Lorelei. No. No. Lorelei. Lorelei. No.
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  Speaker 1: That's not. That's wrong.
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  Speaker 2: He wasn't so much shouting at her.
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  Speaker 1: Suzanne, help me.
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  Speaker 3: Help me.
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  Speaker 2: You're right there. You're right on the edge.
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  Speaker 1: I'm right there. He was nervous, wasn't he?
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  Speaker 2: He was, yes.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. All right. All right. Let me get nervous because
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  Speaker 1: I'm not nervous right now.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, well, I can make you nervous.
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  Speaker 1: How are you going to make me nervous?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm not going to come up with something.
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  Speaker 1: You're not going to come up? All right. Lorelai, this
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  Speaker 1: thing we're doing here, me and you, I just want
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  Speaker 1: you to know I'm in. I am all in. Yay.
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  Speaker 3: Not bad, right?
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  Speaker 2: Very nice.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Okay. All right.
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  Speaker 2: That was very good.
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  Speaker 1: See, I was doing this. I was like doing a–
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  Speaker 1: I was making it physical, physicality of nervous. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good because that's what he was doing.
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  Speaker 4: He was like kind of tapping the table a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Was he?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like kind of fidgety.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Was he? It was me. Was I? Yeah. All right.
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  Speaker 1: So anyway, that was a fun, fun scene to shoot.
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  Speaker 1: It really was. And, you know, she didn't act all
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  Speaker 1: jittery and nervous or overwhelmed by it. She was kind
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  Speaker 1: of casual in that scene, wasn't she?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she was calm.
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  Speaker 4: You could tell, like, she was not making direct eye contact,
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  Speaker 4: you know, kind of at the end. Like, she was
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  Speaker 4: kind of coquettish. But, yeah, she wasn't flustered. She was
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  Speaker 4: just calm and serene.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Just taking it in.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure you've been in this position. Maybe John did
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  Speaker 1: this to you when you were in your courting stages before.
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  Speaker 1: Did John ever, I don't want to, you don't have
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  Speaker 1: to answer this if you don't want to get personal,
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  Speaker 1: but did John do an all-in speech with you? This
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  Speaker 1: thing we're doing here?
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  Speaker 4: No, actually, it was kind of the opposite. I kind
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  Speaker 4: of gave him an ultimatum. Because, you know, we had
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  Speaker 4: been dating for a long time and I didn't really
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  Speaker 4: know like what his intentions were. And so I told him,
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  Speaker 4: and we still joke about this, I said, he needs
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  Speaker 4: to decide if it's me or it's not me and
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  Speaker 4: so that was that was kind of how we approached
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  Speaker 4: that situation so yeah it was a little more from
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  Speaker 4: my side than his because I was just.
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  Speaker 1: Around right right I don't think I announced this or
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  Speaker 1: people know or But I do want to announce this.
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  Speaker 1: And Suzanne, if you think it's a good idea, I'd
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  Speaker 1: like to announce your promotion, if you think that's a
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  Speaker 1: good idea. Listen, Suzanne and John French, they've been with me,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, how many years now? 10, 12?
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  Speaker 2: Almost 10, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But at least 10, right? Yeah. Yeah. And they're just
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  Speaker 1: so great, so helpful. And as you know, Suzanne is
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  Speaker 1: a recognized world global expert, PhD in all things Gilmore.
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  Speaker 1: She's constructing Gilmore Girls University, and she will be the headmistress.
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  Speaker 4: That's a good idea, actually.
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  Speaker 1: But... But Suzanne and John, I have named them co-CEOs
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  Speaker 1: of Scotty P's Big Mug Coffee. They're running the coffee
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  Speaker 1: company now with me. And I couldn't be happier. So
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  Speaker 1: it's great to have Suzanne and John with me.
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, great.
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  Speaker 1: Just so great. I'm just so happy it worked out.
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  Speaker 1: The negotiations were painstaking. It was Several months of back
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  Speaker 1: and forth. The agents and the lawyers. The biggest white
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  Speaker 1: shoe law firms in the city. It was unbelievable. The
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  Speaker 1: demands were outrageous, but you know what? What the hell?
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  Speaker 1: You're worth it, right?
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  Speaker 2: Why, thank you. I'm enjoying my new Rolls Royce.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I cleaned it all up for you and got
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  Speaker 1: it to you, just like the contract said. the next
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  Speaker 1: morning Luke and Lorelai struggle to, to, to, to get
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  Speaker 1: up and Lorelai needs coffee, but it's, but it's downstairs.
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  Speaker 1: So she puts on Luke's shirt and heads down, but
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  Speaker 1: the diner is open and everyone sees her, but it's
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  Speaker 1: only Luke's shirt. Hilarious. Yes. Hilarious. But everyone, now everyone knows.
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  Speaker 1: All right. So then Lorelai runs into Babette and Miss
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  Speaker 1: Patty that's, the two people you do not want to
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  Speaker 1: run into if you want to keep a secret in
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  Speaker 1: that town. And I think that's really the point. There
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  Speaker 1: are no secrets in that town. And then next day,
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  Speaker 1: the next day, and then they are, they aren't saying
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  Speaker 1: anything to her. And Lorelai is a little bit disappointed.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they head to the town meeting. Luke and
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  Speaker 1: Lorelai's relationship is actually up for discussion.
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  Speaker 2: Taylor had charts and everything.
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  Speaker 3: It was awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Taylor wants everybody to think of the consequences, and
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  Speaker 1: it's either Team Luke or Team Lorelei. Is this when
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  Speaker 1: all the team things started?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So Luke and Lorelei head to the town meeting.
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  Speaker 1: Their relationship is up for the discussion. It's very funny.
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  Speaker 1: Luke defends himself, collects the charts, and says there's not
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  Speaker 1: going to be a breakup if Lorelei is still in.
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  Speaker 1: And she says, you bet I am. I mean, what a,
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  Speaker 1: I tell you, I did not like filming in that location,
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  Speaker 1: but man, that was fun. I remember really enjoying that
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  Speaker 1: because it was just such a funny scene and they
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  Speaker 1: all were right. But I mean, it was just charts
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  Speaker 1: of why they should break up and the consequences if they,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's hysterical.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, so good. So good.
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  Speaker 4: And then Luke even like threw in a little wink
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  Speaker 4: at the end. So if, if you did, Didn't see that.
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  Speaker 2: Go back and watch that scene. But, yeah, it's very cute.
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  Speaker 1: All right. So, Suzanne, it's the famous I am all
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  Speaker 1: in line on the first big date after years of
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  Speaker 1: waiting and suffering and silence. Yes. Giving Luke some of
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  Speaker 1: his best moments with her, right?
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  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 1: I think his best moments overall. Do you think the restaurant...
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  Speaker 1: Sniffies and the date was fitting for those two? I do.
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  Speaker 4: So it does seem random at first because we've never
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  Speaker 4: seen Sniffies before and we're never going to see it again.
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  Speaker 4: You know, Buddy and Maisie just appear and then again,
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  Speaker 4: we don't ever see them again. So it does seem
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  Speaker 4: kind of random, but it does actually make sense in
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  Speaker 4: the context of the episode because they couldn't have gone
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  Speaker 4: anywhere in Stars Hollow for their date. So yeah, Out
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  Speaker 4: of necessity, because they didn't want people to know yet,
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  Speaker 4: out of necessity, they have to go somewhere outside of,
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  Speaker 4: you know, the town center. So it only makes sense
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  Speaker 4: that they would go somewhere that ends up being unfamiliar
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  Speaker 4: to viewers because we've only really seen, you know, Stars
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  Speaker 4: Hollow and Yale and Chilton.
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  Speaker 2: And so.
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  Speaker 4: It does seem kind of weird when you're watching. It's like,
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  Speaker 4: who are these people and, you know, where do they
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  Speaker 4: come from? Why don't we know about them? But it
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  Speaker 4: does make sense because they're not going to go to
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  Speaker 4: the pizza place or they're not going to go to
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  Speaker 4: Weston's Bakery for their first date because they would run
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  Speaker 4: into the entire town. So I think it does end
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  Speaker 4: up fitting even though at first it's a little kind
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  Speaker 4: of jarring.
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  Speaker 1: Right, right, right. Another iconic moment, Lorelai running downstairs in
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  Speaker 1: Luke's flannel shirt and she thinks no one's in there.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody sees. So good. Tell me how this hit you
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  Speaker 1: the first time. Do you remember?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, my gosh.
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  Speaker 2: That scene, it's so short, but it's so perfect.
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  Speaker 4: Like, just the visual of everyone completely frozen in place
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  Speaker 4: just staring at her and the looks, especially the look
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  Speaker 4: on Gypsy's face, but Gypsy and Kirk just staring at
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  Speaker 4: her and it's complete silence in the room.
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  Speaker 2: It's just perfect.
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  Speaker 4: Like it's, it's just absolute perfection. Like it's so funny.
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  Speaker 4: And then she gets kind of like this nervous smile
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  Speaker 4: on her face and it turns and runs back up
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  Speaker 4: the stairs.
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  Speaker 2: Like it's, it's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: It's so good. You know, the way it just seems
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  Speaker 1: so easy between them at the town meeting and Luke,
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  Speaker 1: even like proudly defending their relationship. This is just about,
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  Speaker 1: this is, this is what Laurel, I need someone to
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  Speaker 1: feel confident about her. I mean, how satisfying is it?
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  Speaker 1: To see Luke shout it from the rooftops that he
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  Speaker 1: and Lorelai are in a relationship.
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  Speaker 4: It's so satisfying because Luke is typically so understated. unless
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  Speaker 4: he's angry about something, but he's usually not, you know,
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  Speaker 4: he just plays it so even keel and he's not
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  Speaker 4: overly excited or happy about very many things. And so
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  Speaker 4: for him to declare it in front of a room
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  Speaker 4: full of people, you know, including Taylor Dosey for the
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  Speaker 4: viewer was so satisfying because we've waited for this for
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  Speaker 4: so long. And as I mentioned earlier, you know, multiple
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  Speaker 4: times on the podcast, both here and on town meeting,
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  Speaker 4: you know, Amy Sherman Palladino is really good at taking
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  Speaker 4: the viewer right to the very edge of what they want.
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  Speaker 4: And then she pulls the rug out from under them.
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  Speaker 4: And this is the one time that she doesn't do that.
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  Speaker 4: Like we actually get to see the completion of what
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  Speaker 4: we want to see. Like we see Luke being happy
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  Speaker 4: about being in a relationship with Lorelai and in the
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  Speaker 4: restaurant scene where he does the I am all in,
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  Speaker 4: I remember the first time watching this, and because there
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  Speaker 4: was kind of a pause between when he says this
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  Speaker 4: thing we're doing here, me and you, I thought, the
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: first time I watched it, I thought he was going
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: to say something like, it's not going to work, or
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: it's too much, or I don't think we.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Can do this. I thought he was going to back out.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: And so when he said i am all in i
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: the first time i was like oh my god thank
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: god he said that and not what i was expecting
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: him to say so yes totally satisfying to see luke
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: all in on this.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: And this really you know you wouldn't recommend anybody you
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: know taking this tack um to you know try to
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: to win the heart of a woman. You know, it's
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: just like, you know, you would advise somebody not to
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: do that, right? But that's very, very old school, right?
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, that is from a bygone generation and nobody
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: does that kind of thing now. And when they do,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: it probably miraculously works. But I mean, that kind of
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: honesty and earnestness And need, right? And reassurance from a friend, like,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to mess around. This is not me
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: being casual or wanting to mess around with you. And
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: I'm not really sure. And I want to keep my
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: options open. BS. It's like, you're the one. You've always
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: been the one. That's a lot of pressure on somebody,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: you know, man or woman.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: I thought she took it very well.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: And it gives a sense of stability. Like this episode,
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: like I mentioned at the beginning, it's all about transitions.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: So everybody's in a weird place in this episode, all
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: of the main characters.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: But then this Luke and Lorelei, now.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: It feels foundational and it feels stable and like we're
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: going to move forward from here.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: So it was, yeah, so it was it was good.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: That was that was his moment yep that was his
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: moment all right Rory uh moves into her her new
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: dorm uh Rory's moving into her new dorm she runs
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: into Marty Paris isn't at the dorm yet and she
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: is surprised she calls her and she lets her know
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Asher Fleming is dead I don't know. This just strikes
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: me as so funny. He died two weeks ago at Oxford. Jesus.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Marty and Lorelei. I mean, only Paris can find herself
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: in a situation this bizarre. Yes. Marty and Rory are
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: at a coffee cart when we meet. Here he is,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: my guy.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: Logan.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Logan. And I'm going to explain why in a minute.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: I'm going to do my master class on why I
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: think it should be Logan. He's with Finn and Colin,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: and they greet Marty because he bartended for him at
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: the party. Marty introduces Roy to them, but they don't
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: really acknowledge her. Paris is back, and she can't believe
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: that Asher is gone and wants to have a wake
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: in her dorm. So, Roy... You know, this is Mary Hartman,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Mary Hartman-esque, if you know the show.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: That's going way back, yeah.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: That's going way back to the 70s. So Rory puts
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: up flyers for the event. And in Stubble, Logan, Finn,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: and Kyle looking for a girl they met last night.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Logan now... Notice this, Rory. And they argue and banter
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: because he doesn't like the way she doesn't like the
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: way he talked to Marty. And he didn't even remember
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: her at the coffee cart. She tells him off. Love,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: love that it's so inauspicious. And then he ends the conversation. Now,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: tell me that wasn't fun. At the wake, Paris continues
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: to be sad, but most people don't know what's going on.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: They just think it's a party.
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: Why is Professor Fleming lying in state in this room?
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: Marty asks if Rory has a boyfriend. She gets upset
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: because she doesn't know if she has one. She leaves and.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Heads to Dean's house.
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: Uh-oh.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Another Dean moment. He answers, Dean does, and lets her in.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: All right, so now Suzanne, we have finally met Mr. Logan. Yes.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Do you remember watching the first time and your first
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: impressions of Logan?
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: You know, he didn't... So I thought he was charming. Like,
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: that was the intent. We were supposed to think he
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: was charming.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: But he.
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: It was still so early in the season, I wasn't
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: sure how it was all going to sort out. So
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: to me, he just at first was like the stereotypical
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: frat boy where he's just interested in partying. He's kind
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: of an arrogant jerk. Very similar to both Tristan and
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: I'm blanking on his name, Christopher. So definitely like an
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: echo of Christopher there.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Really? Yeah.
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, kind of the rich party kid that
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: gets in trouble but can do the intellectual banter back
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: and forth.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: You know what I felt about, okay, let me just
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: parry here with, Logan for me has a weight to him.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: He is far more solid a person, it seems to me,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, over Tristan or Christopher, who I both
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: thought were such lightweights as people that they almost floated away, right? Yeah.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Didn't know who they were, confused.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I would agree with that.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: A false bravado on Tristan and just a complete emotional
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: immaturity with both of them, actually.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: I did not find that with Logan. I thought Logan
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: was grounded. Actually... Even though he was involved in this
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: partying and he was in this phase of his life
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: in college, I still felt an emotional maturity and I
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: still felt kind of a man was there. That he
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: was ahead of the game, that he was slowing down
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: his own game, as it were, to sort of relate
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: to this. But I always felt like he was a
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: step ahead and that he was planning ahead. And that's
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: the interpretation that fascinated me so much about what Matt
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Zuckrey did with that character is that there was this,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: there was this kind of maturity and this sort of
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: admission of it without admitting it, that brought on this
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: a little bit of sadness in him. Yeah. He was
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: so far ahead of everybody and his friends, even though
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: he wanted to exist. He just reminded me of a
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: very precocious person who was holding themselves back because they
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: didn't want to, develop too quickly or get too far
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: ahead of their own friends. That's just the impression I got. That,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: for me personally, is how I felt him. Yeah.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: And I agree. As we get to know him, I
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: completely agree with that. Just my first impression of him...
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: From this episode only, we haven't seen that yet.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: We just see, all we know about him is that
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: he throws a lot of parties and can afford a bartender. Like,
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: that's really all we know about him so far. I
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: definitely agree with you in the long run that he
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: was much more substantial and probably, it sounds weird to
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: say it, but just a higher quality human being than
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: either Tristan or Christopher.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. There you go.
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Well, he's intrigued by Rory and she is not afraid
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: to tell him that she does not like him. And
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: that's something he has probably never heard.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: And even ends the conversation. Well, now tell me that
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: was fun. And that banner was quick and he came off,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: I thought really charming, like completely unaffected by it. Like,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: he was almost casting a spell on her and she
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: was fighting it. And it was like, I want you
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: to see who I am. I'm not afraid of who
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: I am. I am precocious in a way, in many ways.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: And you probably can keep up with me maybe, but
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: I've got this. I just felt that sort of, I
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: don't know. I just felt like Logan was this pilot.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: He was piloting the plane.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Yes. He's oozing self-confidence.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: He really is. And not making a big effort about it,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: you know, not making a big deal about it. It's just, yeah,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: you're right. That's perfect description, oozing. Did you think at
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: the time you first saw this as in that this
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: would automatically be a new love interest for Rory? I mean,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: it's set up that way, so it's kind of obvious, but,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: It is, but it isn't. Like, I called this one wrong.
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: I thought Marty was going to be the love interest
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: the first time I saw this episode, because we saw
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: Marty in the beginning of season four when she first
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: started at Yale, and then we didn't see him, like,
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: the whole second half of the season. And then he
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: reappears again now. So I, I thought that's where they
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: were going to, to going to drive it. So I,
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: I completely missed the mark on that one, but so I,
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: it wasn't automatic for me. No, but, um, obviously it
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: becomes apparent very quickly when we get into the next
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: few episodes.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: All right. There's a, there's a video going around. I
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: just did a convention and I did a panel, uh, and, uh,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: in Connecticut. Um, and, um, Was it Connecticut? Yeah, it
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: was Connecticut.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Um, it was a new Milford. Yeah. And, uh, so
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: I did a panel over there and I, and there's
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: a video going around, uh, I'm explaining my, uh, my
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: theory on why I think Logan is the best match for,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: for Roy. And I'm going to, I'm going to give
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: you that dissertation right here and now, uh, in a,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: in a, in an abbreviated sense. Um, the way I
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: think about it is, uh, if you game theory it out,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: all three, you know, Dean, Jess, Logan, uh, she marries
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: each one in separate scenarios, right? Uh, 10 years out,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: there's a second kid. So now they have two kids
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: are 10 years out. My question is who's likely to cheat.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Who's most likely to cheat of the three guys. I
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: don't think she cheats. I think they all cheat. That's
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: just my theory. I think all of them cheat. I
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: think it's all in them. Um, And then you have
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: to start, then you have to ask yourself about a divorce.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Who's she going to get the best divorce settlement from?
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: And that's the part that audiences find particularly delightful. And
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: for me, it's Logan because she gets the tens of
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: millions or millions or whatever it is. She also gets
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: a gut shot on Mitchum who disabled her journalism dream somewhat.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: The third point, and I think the most important point,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: the storytelling continues with a Gilmore Huntsberger progeny. How are
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: those children going to turn out? Are they going to
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: be like are they going to be Rory? Are they
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: going to be Lorelai? Are they going to be girls?
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Are they going to be Christopher? Who are they going
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: to be like? You know, so you get a, you know,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: I think more likely a spinoff situation in a new
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: series with a Logan, with a Huntsberger, Gilmore Huntsberger type vibe, right?
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: So with Dean, you don't get it. With Jess, you
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: don't get it. You really get it with Logan. So anyway,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: that's my dissertation. Thank you. Take me to the woodshed
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: now audience and just, Beat this nut out of me
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: for doing that. But that's just kind of how I
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: feel about it. I like the storytelling to continue in
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: that fashion. Anyway, Suzanne, thank you so very, very, very much.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: It's always a pleasure to break down an episode with you.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Your insights are just so great and so precise and insightful.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: So thanks again for your time. It's always fun. Taking
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: away time from your duties running the coffee company with me. Yes,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: it's fun.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go roast some coffee right now.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a new shipment of beans just came in, eh? Anyway,
• 31:04
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• 31:07
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• 31:09
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• 31:12
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• 31:17
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