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Fearless Hair Artistry and Timeless Style Secrets from Dimitris Giannetos · Skin Anarchy

• 0:02
  SPEAKER_01: Hey guys, welcome back to the new team.
• 0:04
  SPEAKER_01: Today is a very first episode because we're going to be learning all about, you know, hair and the industry of professional hair design and you know all of those wonderful things that we don't really get to hear about.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of a backstage interview because we have such a wonderful guest with us who is truly a guru in this space.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_01: So without further ado, please welcome Dimitri Gianettos.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome Dimitri.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so excited to host you.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_00: Hi, thank you so much for having me.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_00: I'm so excited to be here with you today.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, I'm very excited to chat with you because you're truly, you know, an expert in in your field.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, you've worked with so many amazing influential people and your work is so influential.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_01: And I can't wait to dive into that, especially from like a career standpoint, right?
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_01: Because there's not enough hair education, you know, for people who want to go into this field and they want to learn more about that.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_01: But I would love to start with you, Dimitri.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_01: If you can tell us about your background and what led you down this route for your career.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, my background.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh, from where to start.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_00: I'm from Greece, from a small town in Greece called Thessaloniki.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_00: I went to the beauty school in uh such a young age.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_00: I was 15, almost 16.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_00: Funny story because um growing up in a small town in Greece, like you know, the queer community, it's still uh a thing.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_00: It was, but I have a feeling it's still a thing.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_00: Like for example, a little boy uh to want to be in the um beauty world, it was kind of a red flag at the time.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_00: And so I lied to my dad.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_00: I told him, um, I think I wanna go to uh a barbering school, uh, to open a barber shop in uh my little village.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, Oh, that's a great idea.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, when I went to the beauty school, I never pursued uh barbering.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_00: Even I have some of the most beautiful and amazing uh boy clients, uh, but um yeah, the goal is to pursue my career in uh hairstyling.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I went at such a young age, and I moved to Athens in the capital city in Greece.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, was there for 12 years, um, and I had a really nice career, like um ended up being the ambassador for L'Oreal, doing all these amazing covers for Vogue magazine in Greece, and I was 29 at the time.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, okay, what's next?
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_00: What should I do with my life and career?
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_00: And my best friend at the time had moved to New York, and she's like, Why are you you're not coming here?
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_00: And it was a really, really hard decision because I was at the peak of my career in Greece, and uh I was like, you know what?
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_00: I'll do it.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to have regrets in life.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, I took the decision.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_00: I moved to New York, but I'm very fearless in life.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, I feel um, and this is an advice I wanna give to people if you wanna succeed in life, you have to risk.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_00: Without the risk, you don't go anywhere, you just stay in your comfort zone, and you have the limit in your career in your life.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_00: Not always the the risk is gonna be positive, it's gonna take you somewhere good, but at least you try.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um if you have built the foundation, you're gonna go back and you're gonna be still safe.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_00: The only way to move forward in life and uh have uh new new things come your way.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_01: No, that's so true.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_01: I love that you said that.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_01: And I, you know, I I really love that you speak from this place of you've really built your own way, you know, in this industry, because I think um a lot of times when we look at the you know, how hard it is for non-conventional um people to make a name for themselves.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I just find it to be it's I mean, it's daunting, you know, for me, even looking at this and seeing it.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_01: And so from that perspective, I mean, when was the first time, you know, in your career where you realized, you know, this is gonna be this is gonna be hard?
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, I gotta I gotta make a name for myself.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, what was that first hurdle that you encountered?
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_00: I came from a a place of like being successful in my field on in uh even it was uh it's a Greece is a small country, but still like um I was successful, I made it in my industry.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_00: I have tasted how that feels.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_00: And when I moved to New York first, first of all, it was very, very hard because again, I'm very fearless, but I wasn't speaking any English.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_00: I always had a way to communicate.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_00: If I wanted to go like uh to a coffee shop or a restaurant, I would find my way to communicate, but that was a completely different story.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_00: It was like I'm I moved my life here.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_00: I was trying to put my myself out there and like find an agency to get representative.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_00: Even uh I I wanted to take some meetings and I couldn't communicate.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_00: I I remember the first time Ford Models at the time had um here and makeup department, and they asked me to go to a meeting, and I had this friend of mine uh put an email in perfect English, like uh, hey, this is my work, blah blah blah.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_00: And because my work I had a really nice portfolio, so everybody asked to see me on a meeting, to take a meeting with me.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_00: And remember, I went there, they put me in a this big meeting room, and they're like, Okay, Dimitri, tell us about yourself.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, My name is Dimitri.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_01: I can imagine how how it would be.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I think like, you know, when it comes to hair, this is the most fascinating part for me, is that I think this is like the universal love language and beauty when I look at hair, you know, and that's why I'm so fascinated by your work because obviously you worked with the most A-list celebrities.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, your it your work speaks for itself, you know, your art speaks for itself.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_01: And that's where I I'm so fascinated by what you by what you've accomplished because I think when it comes to hair, like I'm Indian, you know, by heritage, and you know how much we love our hair, right?
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like I spent so much of my life focusing on this, and I realized, you know, even from a beauty perspective, that like we all connect in some way when it comes to hair, you know, we can have, we can sit down over a cup of coffee and talk all day about hair.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what I I would love to hear from you.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like what in your opinion, like what is truly like what does beauty really mean to you when you look at the that word and what it right now, like the way society is and the way that we're perceiving ourselves, like what does that mean for you, especially when you're approaching your work and working with such high-impact clients?
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's what defines the personality to a person, is what like uh create the personality, uh, make someone feel confident, make someone feel pretty.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_00: I see if someone they don't have a good hair day, is like kind of the mood them their mood is gonna change.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_00: So yes, I understand.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_00: It's like very, very, very personal, and it's what gives me joy.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_00: Like uh, I wanna do my uh to my client my my best, and uh I see themselves in the mirror when they feel themselves they feel good, they're gonna have a smile in their face, or people are happy, or people feel sexy, people feel like it sets the tone.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_00: I feel the hair for me.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, it's the same with makeup, and the same with clothes, or your nails.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_00: Especially hair is the the um element completes the look.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_00: Even with uh the celebrities going to a red carpet, if they have the most amazing outfit and the nicest makeup, if the hair is not right, something is off, like uh they're not gonna uh have the confidence they want.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_00: It really inspires me.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_00: Like uh also having all all these huge people, uh like trust me with their uh with their looks in such big moments, like uh it also the pressure is very high.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_00: At Met Gala, Gigi Hadid, like uh, because she's gonna be out there, she's gonna be like uh if I don't do a good job and the hair looks not good, she's gonna be the one be jazzed, like oh how she looks like that, like why her hair is like that.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, this is gonna have a big impact on me, but I wanna make sure like uh I keep all my clients happy.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_01: I love that, and I love the looks you create.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_01: I follow you on Instagram and I'm always like in awe.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like you make the most beautiful styles and you you create the most beautiful styles, and I I'm always like curious, you know, when I see at your caliber, I wonder what's your favorite genre or like maybe time period when it comes to inspiration for your styling.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_00: To be honest, I'm always thinking out of the box.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_00: I feel the decades repeat themselves over and over, and it's something I like about it because the hair is uh I like the hair I like is uh to be timeless.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_00: You when you see pictures today, I wanna be like see the same picture in 20 years and feel good about it.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_00: Because some people follow uh follow all these uh trends, and the trends sometimes can be a little aggressive, and then you see uh yourself in a picture in 10 years, you're gonna be like, oh my gosh, why did they let me go out the house?
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_00: I feel this amazing era of the 40s, the 50s, the 60s, those are my favorite decades.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm always even I follow a I'm gonna do a retro hairstyle, I'm always gonna try to put a modern twist.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_00: I wanna make it mine, I wanna make it cool because it's very tricky.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_00: When you follow uh when you try to copy a look from the 40s or like something we did with GZ at the Met Gala this year, I'm always gonna make it modern because it's such a fine line.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_01: I love that, and I I think it really shines through, you know, in your work.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_01: I I think it's for me, you know, I've always loved the look like from the 60s, the 50s.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_01: I've always been kind of obsessed with that era when it comes to even like editorial, you know.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_01: I used to be that girl that was clipping magazines, and you know what I mean?
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_01: So I've always loved it, but it's such a hard style, I feel like, to replicate because you know it doesn't look good on everybody, and especially if you don't know what you're doing.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, what are some of the biggest, I guess, hurdles that you see people might deal with when they're trying to recreate looks from like past decades?
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_00: Here's the thing you have to think of the tools they had back in the day and the um the tools they used to use to create these images.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like um back in the day, everything would be with rollers, like with hot rollers, like uh that would be um the technique they would use to achieve these looks.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_00: Not that you have to use the hot rollers today, but you have to kinda use the same technique with the hotel.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, like it's different techniques, and it's something uh you have to have the foundation.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_00: Because another advice I wanted to give to upcoming new hairstylists, some people they start their career now and they're so focused just to learn to do the new trends, the hair is now, but you have to have the foundation when you start your career, you have to learn everything, you have to learn to do um the classic hair, you're not gonna do it in everyday life, but you can use the foundation of it and uh and make it yours, make it modern, so if something is gonna separate you from the rest, because you see everybody now is like uh the clean girl hair look, which is beautiful, and I love it, and it's like uh something everybody wants these days.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_00: But if the trend is gonna change next year and everybody wants to have like let's say the 60s buffan with the volume and like flip bob, and you have to have the skills, and it's something you have to practice uh for it.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_01: Right, no, it makes sense actually.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, I'm curious, like when you're um getting into the zone, right?
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_01: Whether it's for campaign shoot or for red carpet, what does your creative process look like?
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, do you have a storyboard?
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_01: Is it intuitive?
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_01: How does that work?
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_00: Uh it's always a team.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_00: Work, it depends on the situation.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_00: And uh I'm a team player, always I like to create the look, uh taking as a consideration others' opinions.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_00: Uh one has to do with a celebrity, let's say they're going to a red carpet.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_00: There are many people usually involved.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_00: It's gonna be a stylist, it's gonna be sometimes a creative director, it's gonna be the makeup artist.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_00: So we're all gonna put the our opinions down.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_00: But uh for me, end of the day, the most important opinion is my clients, because I want them, they're gonna be out there, I want them to feel their best, to feel confident, because their picture, their image, uh video is gonna be out there forever.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_00: So if they don't feel good, if it's some a decision I made with the rest of the team and they don't feel good in this hair, then it's is not right.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_00: Again, one has to do the photo shoot, the photographer is gonna be involved, the creative director of the magazine.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_00: So always many people involved.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's really cool.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, I think it's really relevant for upcoming stylists and anyone wanting to come into the field because I think, you know, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, I feel like your creative process has to be very central to what you're doing, and it has to be something that you're, you know, kind of rooted in.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_01: So whenever you approach a new client, you know, you have to know, right?
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_01: Like where you're coming from.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_01: So, like I'd love to get your advice about this for anyone listening that's in the field or wants to come into the field about how to find that creativity in themselves and not just copy what they see, you know, like out there in media or social media, but rather like create something unique that's true to them, but it's also true to like exactly what you were saying, true to their client, true to a new vision, but it's still kind of incorporating, you know, inspiration from old things.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_00: You just have to be open, you have to look at everything.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like to me, I'm gonna get inspired from be on uh on the subway, for example, to see like how this cool young generation like to wear the hair.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um gonna take uh an inspiration of uh runway, which most of my inspiration comes from there.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_00: Like um, and I I I'm fortunate enough to be to have worked in the past with uh Guido Palau, which is like a he's a creative genius.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_00: Uh he's the hairstylist uh in our era, has created more the most iconic look.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_00: So I was uh part of his team for a few years, and it's where I learned fashion.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_00: So always fashion for me is very important.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_00: I'm always gonna see uh Vogue magazine or an editorial suit, or like I'm gonna get inspired from everywhere, but I'm never gonna copy the exact look.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna make it my own.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna like add one element from this look, one element from the other look.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_00: But you have you have to treat every client different.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_00: I think a mistake people do is like trying to they have in their catalogue four hairstylists straight, a ponytail, uh the clean girl hair, mid part of a low ban, and then they're gonna do the same hair to all the clients.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_00: This is a big, big no, no, no.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_00: Because every face is different, every every uh head shape is different.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_00: Like there are yes, the trend is mid part, but like not everybody can pull a mid part.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_00: There are people very hands-on their hair.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I do Jimmy Moore, and she's hands-on, like and she loves to play with her hair, and she has oh my gosh, guys, this lush is gorgeous hair.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna be cautious if I'm gonna make like a look like she cannot touch the hair.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna approach her the hair, I'm gonna do to Jimmy different than I'm doing to Kim Kardashian.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_00: Kim, literally, the way you're gonna set her hair, one hair is not gonna move out the way.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_00: I admire her so much.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_00: I did a look with some banks, I remember uh one time, and one of the one hair was uh poking her eyelash.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_00: And I would go personally crazy if I have something poking my eyelash, and she was so so patient.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_00: She's like, Can I move this hair from here?
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's gonna uh ruin your look.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, Oh my gosh, of course.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_00: So you have to uh have a different approach to every client, create what fits their aesthetic, their style.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_00: Also, speaking of that, like always you have to read the room, you have to understand, because our work and our is not only to do beautiful hair, it's to have an understanding of what fits to everyone.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_00: And for example, for me, I'm working with such a big genre of different uh clients, like from uh the lawyers, from the supermodels, from uh the pop stars, uh actresses.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: So everybody has different needs, but it's me have to understand what I have to suggest or what I have to propose to do for the look.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_00: Read the room is such such an important key to work with these people and succeed.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_01: That's so interesting.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I've always wondered like what goes behind that.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like when you're working with someone like Kim Kardashian, like do you just like come in for her glam and then you you go with whatever feels good to you, or does she like kind of guide you as to what she wants?
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, how does that whole process work for those of us who have no idea?
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's again a team, uh it's again a teamwork, it's like something like symbols.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um she's gonna come and she's gonna be like, uh, oh, so we do that.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, what do you think?
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_00: She's the nicest human being.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_00: Like, she's again always gonna ask your opinion.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_00: She's uh she's gonna trust uh your my opinion.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_00: So again, if it's a big project, there's gonna be as I said before, like a stylist involved or a creative director involved.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_00: And it's always teamwork.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_00: But again, I'm always gonna give the final saying.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna ask my client, do you feel good about like I'm gonna finish the hair, I'm gonna be I'm gonna ask them how do you feel?
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_00: I want them to feel good, I wanna see themselves in the mirror and feel good about it.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_00: And you have to have no ego because some people take it so personally, and like uh if the client doesn't like it, doesn't mean you did a bad job.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_00: They just don't feel it.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_00: Some sometimes myself, uh I do my hair I do every day, and I wake up uh one morning and uh I'm gonna be like, oh, I don't feel this hair, it's the same I had yesterday.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_00: So it's not I did a bad job on my hair, it's just like uh my mood is different.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_00: So I wanna make sure like uh they feel good in the hair I did to them, and then that for me that's the most important.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_01: So my curiosity is also in this idea of like, you know how like everybody has their everyday kind of hair look?
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, it's like whether it's a blowout, whether it's you know, curls every day.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_01: What is like what is your like I guess recommendation for when we're trying to figure out like what's a good everyday go-to for us?
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, do you suggest like ease when it comes to like the tools we're using?
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_01: Or I mean what what's your take on that in terms of how we can find our our routine hair hairstyle?
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_00: Again, it's it depends the aids, the hair texture is so many different um aspects.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_00: But my overall answer I'm gonna give you is try to keep your hair simple.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_00: People get so confused, like trying to be very creative, and if sometimes you don't have the knowledge, the results are the opposite than being good.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: And always something looks very simple, but simplicity is more elegant and more chic than doing something more creative, like a ponytail, it's so clean, beautiful, elegant, classy, and timeless.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_00: If you wanna follow the trend, maybe don't do a slick back ponytail, do like with a little mid part, like you can adjust some things if you want, or like there are people who don't want their face to be very exposed.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_00: You can leave a little small piece of hair in the front.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_00: So there are things you can uh adjust, but always I feel a ponytail is like my go-to suggestion for everyone, or like uh as I mentioned before, the clean girl bun.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_00: Just do a beautiful, slick bun.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_00: If you have like a beautiful afro, like leave your afro, like it's so beautiful.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_00: I love like everyone keeps their hair their natural texture, so not always uh have to be like uh blow-dry with like many hotels.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes leave your natural texture but define your natural texture instead of transform your natural texture.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_01: That makes so much sense.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_01: I love that because you know I see a lot of times hair is one of those areas of beauty where like culture plays such a big role, in my opinion, in terms of like, you know, how you obviously how you perceive culture, but then also how the world is allowing you to express your culture, right?
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I feel like this really applies to women of color, you know, people of color, because we have we come from such different backgrounds, right?
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_01: So exactly what you want, like if you have a beautiful Afro, you shouldn't be scared to shine and and have something, you know?
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's such a huge, huge point because I mean, I told you, like, I'm Indian.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_01: For me, for a long time, I was always trying to like do something with my hair that fit into the crowd, you know, even though my strands are thicker, right?
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_01: So if you look at like Caucasian hair, you know this, but like exactly 100%.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know what to do, you know.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: So I came up with that.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that that's that's my advice.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_00: Like, try to highlight your natural texture, to define your natural texture instead of transform.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_00: Always there's gonna be a mean, you're gonna be bored, like you wanna be something different, but we f fall in this trap just trying to follow a trend.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_00: Like um, people I feel just sometimes get trapped to this just to follow a trend.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_00: And why?
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_00: You have to create your own trend.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_01: Right, you do.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_01: That's so real.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: I love that, and I think that's also like it feeds into your confidence so much, right?
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's like when you find your vibe and like what looks good on you, it's like absolutely a confidence boost.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like your next level.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_00: You want it, you are the trend, like uh make that happen and inspire other people.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_01: Now I have to ask you, Dimitri, because I have to know like what are your go-to products?
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like things you've been like, things that have always been in your kit, you know, or like for a long time you've used these products.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: Anything you can like kind of share with us.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, my godo.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_00: Literally, if you're gonna drop me in an island with nothing, I'm always I'm always gonna take with me the LNET by L'Oreal Paris is like the old school, like you know, the smell I I I grew up with.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like uh my mom was using it.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's the most iconic hairspray, and it's the hairspray literally in every fashion we come.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Backstage runway, it's the hairspray every everyone is using because it's like so easy to use, it has um it's long-lasting and then it's not heavy, it's not sticky.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_00: So I really love uh LNE.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_00: Also, I love because so many women suffer with the gray hair, and you don't have the time to go to the hair salon every nine days.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_00: Some people have so many gray hair, like every nine days they need to do a touch out.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_00: Laurel Paris uh has this uh device called Color Sonic, which you can like kind of touch up your grace, and you don't have to waste like a whole box because sometimes you would just want to do your hairline.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, it's this device, it does it all itself, and like uh you save so much money but don't wasting like a brand new uh hair color, so it's the perfect um device between the color appointments of the the hair salon, and of course, this root touch up sprays uh from L'Oreal Paris again because you just spray uh on the roots and go.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_00: Even sometimes you want to do as I said, the ponytail, like um our hairline has so many gaps, and you just feel a little the hairline.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_01: That's so I love that.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to find all these products because I have a big graying problem.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I grayed very early in my life, so I'm always like trying to find new ways to like deal with that.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: I think that graying hair is such a thing because women really struggle with this.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I feel like when you start graying, I mean everybody, I I keep saying women, but it's everybody.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_01: We have like this idea that when you're 70, that's when you start graying.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_01: But no, it's like nowadays everybody's starting to get gray hair faster, you know.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, my best friend, like um I started having uh gray hair once she was uh 24.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_00: And also gray hair, you know, can be like a stress uh shock the body can have, and uh all of a sudden, like uh you wake up and you have so many gray hairs.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, yeah, it's so unpredictable.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_01: Right, no, absolutely.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_01: Now I want to, you know, really kind of round things out and like uh get you to give us some advice for all of the wonderful people out there that might need advice on how to navigate this industry, you know, when it comes to either anything, right?
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: Like politics, egos, pace, you know, while they're trying to figure out how to establish themselves, like any career advice you could offer.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, like uh because it's something I learned uh the hard way by myself, moving again from Greece here, is like such such such a competitive industry.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_00: I was kind of spoiled being just first in my industry on top of the world in Greece.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_00: And when I came here, I was like, oh my gosh, there are like thousands of talented people, and how you're gonna highlight yourself out there, like how you're gonna be the one is gonna, clients gonna wanna book you.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_00: I realize you just have to be true to yourself, you have to stay authentic, because again, as we said before, people try always to copy something, and like no, when the original exists, why people wanna use the copy?
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_00: Have no ego.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_00: Ego takes no one uh nowhere.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_00: We grow up in a society.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_00: If someone gives us uh an advice or try to tell us something, for some reason, which I find is very silly, we wanna give them a back talk and tell them like we know something better, which this doesn't take you anywhere, honestly.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_00: Listen to everyone, and like even you don't agree, just go home, think what they told you, and keep 5% of what they told you, and at the end of the day, you're gonna win in life.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_00: Because if you think you know everything and you're you're close to any new information, any new advice, this is gonna take you anywhere, you're just gonna stay in the same level for the rest of your life.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_00: Listen to people and read the room.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_00: You have to adjust yourself in every different situation, every different client.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_00: And like when I'm asking, uh, when I'm looking for a new assistant, the first thing I'm gonna ask, read the room because I find it very important, and work hard because there are such hardwork people in the new generation, but like I feel the majority, and this comes from uh a place of the young generation grew up with uh internet and social media and everything, so everything everyone feels has access to everything, and um you see, and um an influencer do makeup to themselves and they're like uh I can do makeup, I'm a makeup artist.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_00: No, you have to put the work down, you have to go through the hard route to learn.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_00: And so, yeah, like now I'm like kind of quite in a good place in my career.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a stabilist, like I'm working more than ever.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you have to put the work down.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_00: Nothing is gonna come your way if you just expect other people to do it for you.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_00: You have to do it yourself into the day.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: I love that you're you're really kind of putting that out there and and sending that message because I couldn't agree with you more.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_01: I think a lot we live in a time now where everyone wants immediate gratification, you know, in their careers.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, okay, immediately overnight I should be a success.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_01: And it's just not possible.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, no matter what industry you're in, you're gonna have to put in the long hours, you know, just like you said, like the hard work, you know.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: And be passionate.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_00: Be if you're passionate, and I saw an interview uh also Oprah gave it was so accurate because they asked her, um, why you think people don't succeed?
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: And she said, like, because people don't know where they're gonna go, and it's so true.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_00: People with strong vision and um they know what they wanna do in life, no matter what, like they you're gonna take uh sometimes the um the path is not gonna be always easy, but you have a clear vision.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_00: End of the day, you're like, I wanna do that.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_00: I always knew what I want to do, I always wanna knew I wanna be eventually in America and work with these amazing people.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, I found my way to be there.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_00: There are people still confused, they're gonna someone gonna come their way, they're gonna be like, Ah, why don't you don't try this?
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_00: I mean they're gonna be like, Oh, you're right, that's a good idea, I'll try this, and then they go out of their way, so and then they get lost, right?
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_01: They don't stick to the path, like yeah, you have to stay focused.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's key.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_01: Well, Demetrius, this has been amazing, and I am such a fan of your work.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, truly you create the most iconic.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_01: No, you do, you make make the most iconic, you create the most iconic styles, and I'm always like in awe of you know everything you post.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_01: I I'm always following you.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_01: And so I I really just thank you for your your wisdom here and for for chatting with us today.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's been so lovely.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, of course.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_00: It was uh beautiful.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_00: I'm so grateful uh you have me.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, hopefully we're gonna get to do that again.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_00: It was very good.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_00: I would love that.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_01: I would love that.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, if your schedule allows, we gotta do a part two.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_01: Of course.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much.
• 28:48
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