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Green and Gold Brothers Episode 3 · Green and Gold Brothers

• 0:04
  SPEAKER_00: Hello and welcome to the Green and Gold Brothers Podcast, the place for all things Packers related.
• 0:10
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• 0:19
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to episode three of the Green and Gold Brothers Podcast.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_01: Let's dive right in.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_01: Christian Watson just signed a big old extension.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely love it.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_01: We knew this was coming for a while.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_01: There were a lot of talks on when it was going to come and how much it was going to be for.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_01: I love the deal.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_01: But when you got a guy like him, you gotta make it work one way or another.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I think they uh they made it work.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_00: I agree.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_00: Uh they signed him, in case you haven't heard yet, it is a four-year deal for$110.5 million.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_00: So$110.5.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_00: Uh that puts it at about$27.6 million per year, and a$31 million signing bonus, which I believe is the only guaranteed money on the deal.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_00: So basically what they are saying is you can sign, we want you here.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_00: Here's a little bit of cash up front, and then the rest is a little bit of a lower risk.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_00: Uh they're they're not, you know, putting all their eggs in that basket.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I think both sides understand and probably agree that you know, would love to see a little bit more health from Christian.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um other than that, I mean that that's really the only thing, in my opinion, that gives this any kind of negative feel, uh, if if you if you want to put any on it.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um I think just the the injuries are a little bit of a a concern from the past, but I think he's knock on wood, hopefully put I think he's overcome his demons.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, as far as like the soft tissue stuff, the yeah the hamstring.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um I think going down when he they sent him to Madison, uh, I think they they were able to figure something out there and just he's he's trained different, and uh yeah, I think he's like you said, kind of put the soft tissue stuff.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, it it's football, it's a contact sport.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_00: There's gonna be fluky injuries, and there's no way that you can prepare for a non-contact ACL like you had.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_00: So that one is that I think doesn't necessarily fall under the injury prone category, um, in my opinion, anyway.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like there's there's a lot of guys who have had really no injuries at all, and then they blow their knee.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_00: And are you gonna sit there and say that, oh well, if he trained harder or if he was stronger, or if he, you know, X, Y, and Z could have prevented this.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think that's really the case.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, if you look at all these athletes, they're in my opinion, they're they're too strong for their own bodies.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it all it takes is one twitch the wrong way, or you know, planting and turning.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's it's a lot of it's fluky and it's just it it's part of the game.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_00: It happens, but the fact that it happens so much, I think, tells you all you need to know.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_00: There's guys who literally, you know, play football their whole lives and don't really get hurt enough to miss any time, and then all of a sudden they have something like that where yeah, you you get rolled up on or you you twist wrong, and all of a sudden that legament just pops and there's really nothing you can do about it.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um, as far as the extension, um I think it all kind of goes back to last season when they gave him that one-year extension onto his rookie contract, I believe.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_01: Or uh maybe I'm incorrect on that, but last season he was given a one-year extension, kind of approve it coming back from the ACL.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_00: It also was a little bit of uh a safety blanket to allow him to rehab.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_00: Very true, yes.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it wasn't uh because I believe that extension will be effective this year.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_00: So essentially his this deal is basically a five-year deal because his current extension is going to be, or I guess the new new league year is upon us, so he's in that extension year right now.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, kind of like what you said.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_01: I kind of just thought about it right now, but you're more correct on uh it was a safety blanket type situation rather than uh approve it um extension.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_00: But I think you could really see him kind of take a sigh of relief, like after he signed that.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_01: For sure.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you knowing that you can rehab fully, there's no rush to get back, you don't have 20 different things on your mind as far as am I gonna get this next extension?
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_01: You know, am I playing for my job?
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_00: That's true, because if he doesn't sign that, he would have been a free agent.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_00: Right now, or you know, after the season ended.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_00: And that's yeah, that can be definitely a a big weight on your shoulders trying to to prove what you're worth in the 10 games that he played.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_01: And it worked out.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I think them giving him that sigh of relief, kind of just you do your thing, rehab will get you out through when you're ready.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_01: He performed out of this world last year.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_00: When he was on the field, he was yeah, he was a top ten receiver.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think um, I mean, 35 catches, 611 yards, six touchdowns, and ten games.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_00: Which I believe those are all career highs, yeah, aren't they?
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um pretty pretty close for sure.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_00: And uh yeah, in a in a smaller sample size.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_01: So uh 2024 he had 620 yards.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, but he was almost there.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_00: In yeah, in just 10 games.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_00: So that's uh it's kind of a preview, hopefully, or at least uh an idea of what he can be, I think.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_00: I think he is absolutely explosive.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_01: Well, he's so important to the team, too.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that offense, you've seen it many times.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_01: If Watson's out, things aren't going the way they normally do.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_01: Whether he's taking the top of my mouth.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_01: Whether yeah, whether he's taking the top off the defense or just his impact as a blocker, I mean, you name it, he's he's so important.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_00: We talked about that uh last night a little bit, actually, that there were a couple games uh this year or this past year where maybe he wasn't putting up huge numbers and he was open, but but maybe not getting the ball.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_00: You didn't see him sulk, he wasn't, you know, I I'm open, like hit me there.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_00: The dude put his nose right in the middle and he would block and did the dirty work, and there's not many guys who have his play style of the the explosive take the top off the defense that also will dig down and be as productive of a run blocker as he is.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's like I said earlier, just super important.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_01: You could see the difference when he was out, and uh I'm I'm glad we got this deal done.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_01: This time of year, I mean it's a perfect time to get the deal done before training camp starts up here in about a month, month and a half.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_00: So um very, very happy with that.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_00: There's not many guys who are 6'4 and run 4'3, and you know, maybe he's had some some injury concerns and unrealistically um some drop perception, you know.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_00: That there's some people who think that he he drops a ball more than he does.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_00: He dropped his first ever pass attempt, that would have been a touchdown.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_00: I was just about to bring that up.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_00: But last year I think his drop rate was like 2.5%.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_01: He had the lowest on the team.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_01: So we're not taking any uh Christian Watson drop slander.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_01: Agreed.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_01: So uh yeah, overall, once again, super happy it got done.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_01: I'm fine with the number.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_01: The way Green Bay does these extensions too is it's team friendly, but also player friendly with the signing bonus.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's getting his money, but also in two years from now, if the production's not there, they can move on from him, and it's not gonna be a substantial cap hit, and it's not gonna it's not gonna hurt us down the road.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_01: Correct.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's it's probably a little bit of you know, maybe bias, I guess, because we are Packer fans.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_00: However, there probably isn't a front office that structures their contracts better than what what we do.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_00: Philly, maybe they're they're more so personnel moves rather than contract stuff, though.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um but the job that Russ Ball does as our cap manager, the guy is a wizard.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's numbers that get thrown out on contracts that you're like, wow, I didn't think we had a chance to get him.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_00: And not only do we get him, we make him look at Micah.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we had room for one, but they traded for him and then signed him to a monster deal when it didn't feel like we had that room, and the cap hit was was minimal because of how they they write the deals out and and structure them.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_00: The player still gets their piece of the pie, they're still happy with what they're getting, and yet it doesn't cripple the the business side.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_01: Shout out Russ Ball.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_01: Uh speaking of Micah, though, uh we'll just jump right into that if you want.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_01: So it came out earlier this week.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_01: Uh mandatory OTA started this week, this last week.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_01: Uh so the media was out, they were able to talk to players.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Micah sounds like he's doing well with his rehab, but the initial timeline, according to Micah Parsons, was week one, according to his Twitter post after uh he had a surgery.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_01: I think we all kind of knew that wasn't gonna be the case.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you don't get the surgery until I think it was like December 29th.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_00: Correct, yeah.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, nobody comes back and they're ready for week one unless you're bionic, like crazy Christian Watson was was fast, very fast, especially the for the position that he plays.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but that is not normal at all.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_01: So realistically, as fans, we kind of look at the schedule and week six, week seven was kind of what we were thinking.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's gonna start the season on PUP.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_00: He had he said that in this week's interviews that that is going to be the case.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_01: And you can start practicing on the PUP list, but it's it's still up in the air when they're gonna now you can start okay.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_00: So I think I brought that up before uh that you uh that that I thought they changed PUP.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_00: I was a little just a little bit um misinformed on that.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't that you can come off of PUP, it was that you can start practicing after two weeks now.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_00: It used to be where you couldn't start practicing until after four weeks.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_00: So essentially that was giving you probably six, at least five weeks before you were actually gonna be back because you couldn't start practicing.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_00: Now you can start after that two-week window.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_00: So even though he can start practicing, he still can't play for two weeks.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_00: So I think it's going to depend on when he can actually start practicing.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and the team, I mean, I I guess it's different throughout the league, but from the sounds of it, Green Bay has a strict no practice policy nine months from surgery.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_00: So nine months from surgery would be that would be September 29th, which is right around opening week.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_00: But that's their their policy is no football activities, period.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_00: So he's not gonna be ready, and there's no way possible that he might be ready.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_01: He made comments too about he wants to make sure his body's right.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_01: He had extra work done.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_01: That's something we should bring up too.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he had the ACL in back in December, but the reports this week where there was a meniscus that needed to be cleaned up, and then he made comments about how he wants to take care of his body, he wants to rehab, he wants to be a hundred and ten percent when he's let out the gates and not you know, maybe have some lingering issues, and then that just leads into more problems throughout the season.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_00: So his his quote was uh he wants to be ready for the playoffs.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_00: Not not that he can't be ready before then, but he wants to be able to play in the playoffs.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so just kind of looking at how things fall, week six against Dallas, maybe.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_01: I I still think that's kind of a long shot.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_01: Week seven, I don't know, it's on the road at Detroit, so I don't think they're gonna me personally, I don't think they're gonna bring Micah out on the road, turf field, you know how that goes with injuries in turf.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_01: So realistically, week eight, week nine, um, Carolina, New England.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_01: And uh me personally, I know we have talked about this, just knowing how Green Bay is with injuries and just how everything's kind of progressed to this point.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_00: Super conservative.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_01: I yeah, very conservative.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm leaning more towards the bye week.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_01: They they get to that bye and then they bring them out week 12 against the Rams.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_01: So that I it just it just makes sense to me that that's something they would do, and that's just kind of how the timeline's falling right now.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_01: With like I said, at Detroit, you don't want to bring them out in Detroit, Carolina maybe, New England maybe, Minnesota before the bye.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_01: Do you want to bring them out before the bye?
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's tough.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_00: This is where we disagree a little bit on that.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I think I do think it probably won't be week five.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_00: I think he said mid-October was the goal, uh, which would be probably Dallas in week six.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_00: Um I could see that maybe being a possibility.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_00: Uh in my opinion, I'm thinking like Halloween time, which is right around week eight for Carolina.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I think that's kind of a we're in a tough spot there where it it kind of sucks that that's a Thursday night game.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_00: If that was a Sunday, it probably would be more realistic.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but because it's a Thursday, that I believe is like October 28th or 25th, even something like that.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's a little early, uh, but it would be right around that Halloween uh benchmark that just that I'm throwing out there.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, I could see Carolina or at New England, week eight or nine.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I I get what you're saying about waiting until after the bye, but then that puts it at week twelve.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, there's a fairly realistic chance that we're gonna need him before then.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we're we're absolutely gonna need him before then.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_01: I get that.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_01: I just I've seen this played out many times with Green Bay and even other teams too that are more conservative when it comes to injuries.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_01: Your star player, he's rehabbing, he's kind of hitting those benchmarks, but all it takes is one little setback, or you know, he's he's not feeling right, the training staff seeing something that they don't like.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_01: Let's give him another week, let's give him another two weeks.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_01: Well, next thing you know, you're sitting at week nine, week ten, you got the buy coming up.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_01: Well, let's just give him that last bye week and then fire him out for or send him out for the last last half of the season.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_00: And I think something important to note on that we have him sign for the next four years.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_00: Correct.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_00: It's frustrating, it can be frustrating to to sit there and say, Well, you know, I want it to be earlier and we need him for this year, and yes, that's true.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_00: But what if what if the trade-off is you bring him back, you get him for this year, but then he's done.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that there's not really any upside to that, and there is a very real possibility that that could happen.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, unfortunately, ask David Bakhtiari how that works.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_00: Not saying he came back early, but knees can be career enders.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_00: He never came back.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_00: So it I get it.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_00: Uh that's probably the the fan in me saying that I hope or that I think he could be back sooner.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I I hope he does too.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_00: I just may maybe we're maybe we're both wrong and he he's ready for week five.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_00: That that is also a very real possibility.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_00: The dude is that is best case scenario different breed.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_00: I mean he is he is special and is a phenomenal athlete and just a physical you know specimen.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_00: So he he could he could be fooling all of us and and be ready for Chicago and and then this is a moot point, but I think that's that's an interesting point that you bring up about waiting that long and because of the uh just long-term outlook, I I could see it.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_00: I think it'll be sooner.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_00: I also want it to be sooner, but it very well could be.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so uh kind of transitioning from you know the uncertainty.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_01: There were rumors this last week that Green Bay was interested in Josh Sweat, the edge rusher from the Arizona Cardinals.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_01: Once again, that you don't know what the story is with Micah, so I mean it does not surprise me whatsoever that they they they were in on talks, like you can deny it all you want.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: I guarantee you Brian Gudakun was on the phone at least once or twice.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_01: Just fielding offers, just kind of feeling it out, seeing what Arizona was looking for.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_01: And uh there were some reports.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_01: Easton Butler came out with it.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um sure not many people are familiar with Easton Butler, but uh he's a Twitter uh insider.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_01: He's got sources.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_01: I guarantee he's got sources.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um pretty much claimed that Green Bay was in on sweat.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_01: The holdup was the June uh first um not cuts, but uh post-June first uh releases for the the extra money where the extra money opens up, and uh the other holdup was just compensation, what was gonna be sent in return.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_00: Josh Sweat has publicly said that he wants he absolutely wants to pick play for uh Jonathan Gannon again.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: Uh he followed him to Arizona from Philly when he got the head job there, and now he's our new DC, and he yeah, he has publicly said that he wants to play for him again.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_00: So there's a lot of smoke there.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um it was reported then that he requested a trade out of Arizona and that his preferred destinations were Green Bay or potentially Philly.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_00: So he uh is hopefully on our radar, at least in some form.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think it's still on the table.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um probably probably off the table for now, and uh we'll see what happens come training camp and maybe even up to the trade deadline.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think there's a lot of moving parts here still that you know how soon Micah can can start practicing, how much time they think he's going to miss, what records look like if it does, you know, trickle into the season, like you said, that trade deadline time.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_00: Uh there's there's a lot of of options and a lot of still moving parts here.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_00: So it would be a big swing and something that would make a lot of sense.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_00: Uh it's good to hear Micah talk up the current pass rushers, the young guys.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_00: Did you see what he said about L VN?
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he had a lot to say about L Vienne.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_01: He uh he complimented uh Baron Sorrell, even Colin Oliver, and then I think he made some comments about uh Deny Dennis Sutton as well.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, he had a lot to say about him, and um it's a it's gonna be a big year for for that unit, and uh adding sweat would kind of take the pressure off, you know, for sure those first couple weeks without Micah.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um and the exciting thing is the idea of him once Micah's back.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_00: That that's the thing that sort of intrigues me.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I don't necessarily think we need to do it, but if we would.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it'd be insane.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, if if we would, like, I mean, we could see some creative packages on defense.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we have guys that are kind of tweeners as far as their size.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we can kick LVN down inside on passing downs.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I read a report that they tried that with DDS too, uh, in practice already, that he was playing some D tackle in in your passing situations.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_00: So he's he's a big, bigger bodied guy, somebody that could do that.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we could get really creative and have a a package where we have four or maybe five true edge rushers on the field at the same time, which wouldn't be really scary.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so the the potential of getting sweat is still there.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_01: Time will tell.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_01: But uh for now we'll just keep our fingers crossed and we'll see what happens.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_01: Moving on here, um, there were also some reports about some future extensions uh regarding Tucker Craft and Devontae Wyatt.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: The report was they want to get Tucker Craft's extension done before camp.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_00: Before training camp starts, which is July, middle of July, so end of July.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_01: So about a month, month and a half here.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: We could probably see the Tucker Craft extension coming in.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_01: Not sure on what the numbers are gonna be.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not a huge, huge number guy.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you can look at some of the the comparisons the
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Some other tight end contracts here, but uh it's it's another guy coming off of an ACL, obviously, so that's always gonna involve a little bit of risk.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_00: Uh some of the videos and and progress reports from him though is very, very positive.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, he's taking his rehab 100% serious, and he's Tucker looks really good.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_01: He's looked better than he has as far as just overall football shape.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like he just looks like a stud right now.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_01: Uh he's jacked, he's ripped, he's he's ready to frickin'.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_00: Take take the league by storm if he hadn't already.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_01: He's ready to finish what he started last year.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_00: I think so too.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_00: And he's he's definitely got that mindset and mentality of yeah, finish what I started, and basically doesn't care.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_00: It just he puts his nose down and and wants to work and just be the best.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_00: And that's really exciting, and I am all for signing him as well.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_00: And again, with how they do structures, I I really don't care what the numbers are gonna be.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_00: I think they're gonna figure out a a number that makes sense for for him and for us, and if it resets the market for tight ends, so be it.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_01: We've got money, we've got money.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, there's room for sure.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and then the other the other um report was Devontae Wyatt.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: They're hoping to get him extended before week one of the regular season.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_00: Another guy.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: Out of injuries.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um I am all for keeping guys.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_00: I I think that draft and develop and and keeping guys in house.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_00: The Packers are really good at doing that.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: They did pick up his fifth-year option last season.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: So I mean they want to keep him around, you can tell.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: I mean he's another guy that when he plays, I mean, he jumps off the tape.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_00: Like he's just he's always around the ball, he's incredibly disruptive and is a true difference maker, which those guys are hard to find, especially on the defensive line, especially the interior defensive line.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_00: So that's another one that I can understand the idea and feel good about taking the swing.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_00: It's just again gonna have to come down to how it's structured, and and we need to see some health because when he's out there, he's he's a true difference maker, and so much so to the point that when he's not out there, you can tell the difference.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, 100%.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_01: There's kind of a lack of depth at that defensive tackle position right now, currently.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we did just go get Hargrave, so that'll help a lot.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_01: But um, back to what you were saying, you know, if we do potentially get Josh Sweat, that just adds another piece with Devontae Wyatt along that line.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_01: Regardless of whether we get sweat or not, you'll have Hargrave, you'll have Wyatt, you'll have Micah, LVN, so on and so forth.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_01: Ton of talent.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_01: You could do a lot of scary things, move a lot of guys around.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_00: So I like how Jonathan Gannon has come out and said basically, he's said it multiple times, but he doesn't have a true scheme on defense.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_00: He basically caters to what his players do well.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_00: And we have we have some guys who do some specific things very well, and maybe not everything all around very well.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_00: Like there's definitely some some room for improvement on certain aspects.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_00: So I think that's the perfect type of hire where you go and you you find what each player does best, and instead of trying necessarily to make them more well-rounded, you just go all in on what they already do well.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_00: I there's definitely some merit to both sides of the coin, but to you know, take somebody who does something very well and make them better at it is perfect because then somebody else who is better at the other thing, you make them really good, and combined you should theoretically have a pretty pretty balanced and well-rounded defense.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm all for uh all for Devontae Wyatt getting re-signed and all for just them giving Gannon some pieces, you know, and just letting him do his thing.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_01: He's got his philosophy.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: He said they're gonna be fast, physical, they're gonna take the ball away.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_01: That's something we haven't had.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_01: You know, Jeff Hafley's first year, we had a lot of turnovers, but then last season they just didn't show up.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, as far as the in the turnover margin, we weren't getting turnovers on defense.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_00: As a result, then the overall defense suffered.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_00: So which is is always gonna be the case.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, turnovers are are so important, uh, and they can make a defense fluctuate so much.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_00: If if you're not getting your turnovers, some of the the warts and things that you don't do well definitely show up tenfold then.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, look at the Bears' defense last year.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_01: They led the league in turnovers, but their yards, they were bottom five.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they they gave up a lot of explosives.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: So we'll see.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_01: We'll see what Ganon can do.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_01: And um, I'm all for Brian Gudakunz, you know, trying to bring players in and just kind of help out, help out Ganon and help out the defense overall.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_01: So we'll jump in with OTAs being this last week.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_01: There were some more clips out there of players doing their thing on the practice field.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um, there were some rookies that were getting some first team reps, which is awesome to see and exciting.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_00: I think I saw uh one of the the beat reporters, I can't remember who it was exactly, but I think they made the comment that uh rookies don't typically get first team reps in OTAs.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe eventually, and you know, once preseason rolls around and even actual training camp, like sometimes those those cases do come up, but typically uh in uh the the offseason for the Packers, those rookies aren't getting first team reps.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_00: So the fact that three of them, uh, we saw Brandon CSA get some, um, as well as McClellan on defense at at the D tackle position, and then this week uh Jagger.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_00: Mr.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_00: Burton was playing uh a little bit of guard, uh first team with the the first team offense who's playing guard, and that that's kind of an exciting thought.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, for sure.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, uh a rookie who has versatility at guard center, we figured that out, you know, right after we drafted him, or before the draft, I guess, if you were scouting him and kind of looking at him.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: So, I mean, him he's got versatility essentially.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm all for you know them putting him at center, putting him at guard, moving some of our guards to tackle.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, a lot of it's product of a product of uh the injuries right now.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, Zach Tom isn't out there, yeah.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_01: Devontae Wyatt isn't out there yet.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_01: So, I mean, McClellan McClellan being a defensive tackle, he's gonna get some reps, but still getting first team reps is kind of a not a shock, but more uh a pleasant surprise.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yep, good way to put it.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_00: So uh yeah, any any other Yeah, uh I think I am going to uh go on record right away.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_00: Uh it's only a week removed, but I think I'm going to change my stance on one Bo Melton.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I said last episode that I thought if he was going to be purely a receiver, that he was gonna have a tough chance at making the roster, just with some of the undrafted guys and and the young guys that we do have.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_00: After thinking about it a little bit and then seeing him score long touchdown after long touchdown at OTAs, I think the Packers really, really like him as a special teams guy, as uh maybe gadget guy.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um I don't know if if he's great in the locker room.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_00: It there must be some aspect there, a little bit, but they absolutely love him.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I I think that uh I am gonna be wrong last week, and I think I think he's basically I don't necessarily want to say lock just yet, but I do think he is uh going to be on the inside.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and he's gonna be on the roster.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm still on the fence.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I love Bo Melton.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: I've loved his story.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: I I know Green Bay likes him.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's obvious.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um it's gonna be interesting.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_01: Come training camp to see, you know, who rises and who dips, and there's gonna be a lot of fluctuation.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I think I definitely see where you're coming from.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_01: I think Bo Melton is it's gonna be really, really hard to to cut him.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_01: Come cut down time.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um he's he's shown a lot.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_01: Good locker room guy.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um It should be an interesting position battle.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_01: The the sixth his special teams ability is is a huge thing.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, right now I'm kinda kinda still on the fence.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_01: Time will tell.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um but yeah, I think think he's got a pretty good shot.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_01: So uh that pretty much wraps it up today.
• 31:21
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• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: And uh once again, we appreciate everybody listening and go pack go.