Latest / Houselights: A Film Director Podcast / Sgt. Bilko (1996) - Jonathan Lynn | Houselights #278
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- 0:03Speaker 1: Welcome to the net party.
- 0:20Speaker 2: Hello everybody at home, and welcome tonight. We're talking Sergeant
- 0:24Speaker 2: Billco from nineteen ninety six, Jonathan Lynn's attempt to turn
- 0:28Speaker 2: a beloved TV show into a Steve Martin vehicle, which.
- 0:33Speaker 3: Mostly works.
- 0:34Speaker 2: Martin plays a career con man in uniform who's been
- 0:37Speaker 2: running an illegal gambling ring out of the Army's least
- 0:40Speaker 2: productive motor pool for so long that it's become his
- 0:43Speaker 2: pension plan with me, who has a poker game going
- 0:46Speaker 2: in the back room, knows exactly which colonel to butter up,
- 0:49Speaker 2: and will absolutely charm his way out of giving his
- 0:52Speaker 2: real rating. Darren Moser and fresh off a decades long
- 0:56Speaker 2: personal vendetta, armed with a clipboard and the energy of
- 0:59Speaker 2: a man who has been waiting his entire life to
- 1:02Speaker 2: finally catch a white haired jerk John Mills. Now, look,
- 1:06Speaker 2: Sergeant Bilko is a movie where Phil Hartman got the
- 1:08Speaker 2: assignment and graced us with his take, and Martin knew this.
- 1:12Speaker 2: We're going to talk about that, and about Jonathan Lynn's
- 1:15Speaker 2: weird gift for institutional comedy, and about whether dan Ackroyd
- 1:19Speaker 2: was okay during filming.
- 1:22Speaker 3: This is house Lights.
- 1:24Speaker 2: M Now gentlemen, No, I love snow, so being in
- 1:28Speaker 2: Greenland works for me. I okay, was I the only
- 1:33Speaker 2: one who had seen this before?
- 1:36Speaker 4: I thought I hadn't seen it, but then it was
- 1:39Speaker 4: more literally I just completely forgot it. And then you know,
- 1:43Speaker 4: when you're watching it again, you're like, Okay, this is
- 1:47Speaker 4: where Oh they're going to hide the roulette wheel and
- 1:49Speaker 4: the tire. Oh they're gonna like it all comes back
- 1:52Speaker 4: where you remember I have seen this at least once,
- 1:55Speaker 4: but it was probably a decade ago.
- 1:58Speaker 3: So for what that's worth, John, how about you.
- 2:01Speaker 1: No, it didn't strike my fancy back in ninety six.
- 2:05Speaker 1: And this isn't one where I'm gonna be like, you know,
- 2:08Speaker 1: I was meant to get around Sergeant Pilco. This is
- 2:10Speaker 1: one I was kind of like, yeah, it's okay, this
- 2:12Speaker 1: goes by me.
- 2:13Speaker 5: I mean, this was part of the like, there was
- 2:14Speaker 5: a whole.
- 2:14Speaker 1: Bunch of of like nineteen fifties shows that they tried
- 2:18Speaker 1: to resurrect in the nineties. And I think hadn't Beverly
- 2:22Speaker 1: Hillbillies come out before this?
- 2:25Speaker 2: I think so. I think it was before ninety six,
- 2:27Speaker 2: and I think the Flintstones came out around this time.
- 2:30Speaker 5: I got to tell you.
- 2:31Speaker 1: Once they fumbled the Beverly Hillbillies, which is one of
- 2:34Speaker 1: my most beloved TV shows of all time, I probably
- 2:38Speaker 1: was just burned out. I was like, that's it, guys,
- 2:40Speaker 1: I'm out. Like, once you hurt me that bad, I'm
- 2:42Speaker 1: not coming back.
- 2:43Speaker 2: I mean, when you say fumbled, do you mean Dietrich
- 2:45Speaker 2: Bader did an amazing performance?
- 2:47Speaker 3: I think that's what you meant.
- 2:49Speaker 5: I guess I misspoke. Yes, that's that must be what
- 2:52Speaker 5: I meant.
- 2:53Speaker 1: And Eric Olaniak was a marvel as a comic actress.
- 2:58Speaker 1: And yeah, and listen that Jim Varney deserved better than that.
- 3:04Speaker 1: That's all I'm going to say, because he was great
- 3:06Speaker 1: as Jed Clampit. He got he understood that assignment. But
- 3:09Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody else did anyway. That's the
- 3:11Speaker 1: side topic. That's why I didn't see the Sergeant Bilko
- 3:14Speaker 1: or Michale's Navy, or there was one with like Kelsey
- 3:17Speaker 1: Grammer or something around this time period.
- 3:19Speaker 5: Wasn't there.
- 3:21Speaker 3: Based on anything.
- 3:22Speaker 5: It wasn't based on anything. I don't think it was well.
- 3:24Speaker 3: Which Darren and I still are trying to get you to.
- 3:27Speaker 1: Watch, and you're trying to get me to watch the
- 3:28Speaker 1: line in winter, so you know, go on, Sissyphis, keep pushing.
- 3:31Speaker 4: That mid nineties mission Impossible because that you know, oh,
- 3:38Speaker 4: that's right, and that was from the seventies, so sixties
- 3:41Speaker 4: and seventies so and.
- 3:43Speaker 1: I enjoyed that one. I thought the Paulm's Mission Impossible
- 3:46Speaker 1: was quite good.
- 3:47Speaker 5: I like them.
- 3:47Speaker 4: It is, But as someone who's also watched every episode
- 3:52Speaker 4: of the classic show, I can tell why the.
- 3:54Speaker 3: Original cast were pissed off and pulled out.
- 3:57Speaker 4: And didn't want to be in it. So fair enough
- 3:59Speaker 4: for story of reasons like they basically, I mean, you
- 4:03Speaker 4: make Jim Phelps the bad guy and that's like, that's
- 4:06Speaker 4: like cards the villain ah and he like killed everybody,
- 4:10Speaker 4: Like like, what what is he doing?
- 4:13Speaker 1: That's subverting expectations? Though I was told that use that word,
- 4:18Speaker 1: I just did, you know, But did you guys actually
- 4:23Speaker 1: revert them?
- 4:23Speaker 5: That's yeah.
- 4:24Speaker 2: You guys reminded me that we should probably give a
- 4:25Speaker 2: little background on this for people who don't know. The
- 4:28Speaker 2: source material for this movie is The Phil Silver Show,
- 4:32Speaker 2: which ran for one hundred and forty three episodes, and
- 4:35Speaker 2: Phil Silvers plays Bilko as a fast talking scheming Basically,
- 4:40Speaker 2: you know, Steve Martin's character, and while the original was
- 4:43Speaker 2: an Eisenhower era show built entirely around one comedic premise,
- 4:48Speaker 2: uh it oh, you know, won awards and went on
- 4:54Speaker 2: for a long time and of its time. And this
- 4:59Speaker 2: movie lost money that we're talking about. Yes, it's a
- 5:02Speaker 2: budget of thirty nine million, which was nothing to sneeze
- 5:05Speaker 2: at in nineteen ninety six, especially for a Steve Martin comedy.
- 5:09Speaker 2: And it returned with thirty seven point nine million.
- 5:13Speaker 1: Yes, yeah it did, but just to do the Phil
- 5:17Speaker 1: Silvers thing like the fifties. The whole reason you have
- 5:19Speaker 1: that glut of shows like that is so many, so
- 5:22Speaker 1: many people had served in World War Two, like it
- 5:25Speaker 1: was immediately relatable comedy to them.
- 5:28Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like it's like aha, like you know, we
- 5:31Speaker 4: all had that NCO that was cutting deals on the
- 5:34Speaker 4: side and trying to mail a g poem like.
- 5:36Speaker 1: That for the person who was too straight laced or
- 5:38Speaker 1: the person who was the fresh young recruit. These were
- 5:41Speaker 1: all very relatable premises, and I think that by ninety
- 5:44Speaker 1: six it's just it's one of those things you're trying
- 5:46Speaker 1: to tell an old joke that didn't age well, like
- 5:49Speaker 1: the punchline when you say it is kind of like, yeah,
- 5:52Speaker 1: I guess it doesn't play it the same way.
- 5:53Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly.
- 5:54Speaker 2: And on top of that, watching it in twenty twenty
- 5:59Speaker 2: six adds another layer of how it doesn't work, because
- 6:04Speaker 2: when you're watching it, we're like, oh, so we're just
- 6:09Speaker 2: defrauding Congress at this point to save our careers.
- 6:15Speaker 5: Hold on a second, traditions are upheld to this day.
- 6:18Speaker 3: That's true. I knew you were going to say that,
- 6:20Speaker 3: and you're not wrong. That's true.
- 6:24Speaker 2: Like there's a long history of defense contractors and R
- 6:27Speaker 2: and D stealing taxpayer money. Not arguing against that whatsoever.
- 6:32Speaker 2: But it's just one of those things where, like you
- 6:34Speaker 2: watch it in nineteen ninety six, you're like, oh, it's
- 6:37Speaker 2: just goofball comedy, you know, Like, but it's based off
- 6:39Speaker 2: of a premise of you know, post World War Two,
- 6:42Speaker 2: where way more people, you know, because we're post draft,
- 6:46Speaker 2: post people coming home, way more people have that frame
- 6:49Speaker 2: of reference than they do than they did in ninety six.
- 6:52Speaker 2: And then in twenty twenty six, it's just completely removed
- 6:55Speaker 2: from it. And so now all you're thinking about is
- 6:57Speaker 2: thinking about it from an.
- 6:58Speaker 1: Abstract Yeah, And I think that additionally, This is an
- 7:02Speaker 1: interesting one because we look at Clue and he handles
- 7:07Speaker 1: the ensemble really well. There's there's a balance of all
- 7:10Speaker 1: the characters, all the performances. Everybody's playing at the same level.
- 7:17Speaker 1: We fast forward to here, you know, after last week,
- 7:20Speaker 1: and what really struck me about this was it's so
- 7:25Speaker 1: uneven in terms of its distribution of attentions. And this
- 7:30Speaker 1: is much more a starring vehicle type of movie, uh
- 7:34Speaker 1: than you know, than than previously, and I think that
- 7:38Speaker 1: that doesn't play the lens particular set of skills very well, I.
- 7:43Speaker 2: Know, speaking of which you know saying this is a
- 7:46Speaker 2: starring vehicle. Albert Brooks was originally offered the role for
- 7:50Speaker 2: Bilko and turned it down. What do you guys think
- 7:53Speaker 2: about Brooks in this role? So the same script, same movie,
- 7:57Speaker 2: but just a Brooks performance. What do you think does
- 7:59Speaker 2: it improve it? Is it weird?
- 8:02Speaker 5: I do think it improves it.
- 8:04Speaker 1: But the thing is, I'm very biased because Albert Brooks
- 8:07Speaker 1: just walks on screen and I start laughing, which was
- 8:10Speaker 1: very awkward during drive. But like, I think that the
- 8:14Speaker 1: performance does matter because Steve Martin's really sort of doing
- 8:18Speaker 1: a riff on Steve Martin in this role.
- 8:20Speaker 3: He's doing his stand up stick right, whereas I.
- 8:23Speaker 5: Think Albert Brooks would have been.
- 8:26Speaker 1: It would have played a lot better in sort of
- 8:28Speaker 1: that like low key, smarmy sort of thing, like that
- 8:31Speaker 1: oily vibe. He's not up for comedy, he's sliding through
- 8:36Speaker 1: the comedy. I think Brooks's style lends itself to this
- 8:39Speaker 1: material a lot better.
- 8:42Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, the the vibe it makes me more.
- 8:47Speaker 4: It makes me think it would be better translated to
- 8:51Speaker 4: like a college frat, animal house kind of style. Like
- 8:58Speaker 4: the level of pranks and jokes and things he's getting
- 9:02Speaker 4: away with felt more like, oh, Delta houses running a
- 9:06Speaker 4: gambling ring under the principal's nose, Like it felt like
- 9:09Speaker 4: that level of gotcha. But we're on an army base
- 9:13Speaker 4: and so it like that did not make sense in
- 9:18Speaker 4: the It didn't.
- 9:19Speaker 5: Balance at all.
- 9:20Speaker 2: Such a mystery as to why the US Army did
- 9:23Speaker 2: not want to have anything to do with this.
- 9:26Speaker 4: That quote at the end like thank you US Army
- 9:29Speaker 4: for zero support, just like we keep our names out
- 9:33Speaker 4: of this. Yeah.
- 9:35Speaker 2: They worked with They worked with them for months trying
- 9:38Speaker 2: to get their support and use an active base, and
- 9:43Speaker 2: after months of script revisions, the Army just said, you
- 9:46Speaker 2: know what, We're just we're just not gonna do.
- 9:47Speaker 5: This, you know. I think.
- 9:49Speaker 1: I think what's interesting though, is the fact that they
- 9:51Speaker 1: call it out at the end did make it seem
- 9:54Speaker 1: like it was an intentional joke where they were like, oh,
- 9:56Speaker 1: we didn't even bother asking the army, Like it's almost
- 9:59Speaker 1: like they're trying to been the fact that the Army's like,
- 10:01Speaker 1: co screw guys.
- 10:02Speaker 5: That's what I add.
- 10:03Speaker 6: We didn't get support from the army. Oh okay, yeah,
- 10:08Speaker 6: I didn't get that at all. I thought my tongue
- 10:10Speaker 6: in cheek where no, no, no, I didn't. I thought
- 10:13Speaker 6: it was more tongue in cheek where it's just like, yeah,
- 10:15Speaker 6: I mean, we're showing the army as a bunch of buffoons,
- 10:19Speaker 6: so obviously the army is not gonna capitulate. This is
- 10:22Speaker 6: like the anti Top Gun where yes, that's true, that's true.
- 10:27Speaker 5: They were Navy.
- 10:29Speaker 4: It's like NASA and the National Oil Drillers Association both
- 10:33Speaker 4: refused to help in this movie, and we're like, yeah, yeah,
- 10:37Speaker 4: we know, like that's.
- 10:38Speaker 3: Not a surprise.
- 10:39Speaker 1: What I think is a real shame is that, like
- 10:43Speaker 1: I love as an actress, Glenn Headley, I really love
- 10:47Speaker 1: her work pretty much in anything.
- 10:48Speaker 5: That she shows up in.
- 10:49Speaker 1: She's so unique, and I think that if they had
- 10:54Speaker 1: rebalanced the script to focus around them more somehow this
- 10:59Speaker 1: would have worked better.
- 11:01Speaker 5: Where with the art you do you think too?
- 11:05Speaker 3: I do? I feel like.
- 11:08Speaker 2: She's so good and she's so funny, and I want
- 11:11Speaker 2: to see more of her, But I feel like that's
- 11:14Speaker 2: what stopped the movie dead.
- 11:17Speaker 1: I'm not disagreeing with you. What I'm saying is they
- 11:19Speaker 1: should have picked that as their lane. And then what
- 11:22Speaker 1: you could have is that he's so preoccupied with her
- 11:26Speaker 1: that his troops can get away with murder and he
- 11:28Speaker 1: doesn't care because he's over here worried about her.
- 11:33Speaker 5: Instead of being focused on his skates.
- 11:35Speaker 1: Right, instead of hitting an instigator, he's just he can't
- 11:38Speaker 1: split his time, and so it becomes you could reframe
- 11:42Speaker 1: it as he has to choose does he want to
- 11:44Speaker 1: be in love or does he want to be in
- 11:46Speaker 1: the army, And then at the end he chooses to
- 11:49Speaker 1: be in love sort of thing where he's like, you
- 11:51Speaker 1: know what, neither one of you have been benefiting from this.
- 11:54Speaker 1: So I'm going to leave the army and I'm going
- 11:56Speaker 1: to give my life to her now again.
- 11:58Speaker 5: As we love to.
- 11:59Speaker 1: Say that's rewriting the movie, but I think that's a
- 12:02Speaker 1: better movie. I think that's the sort of thing you
- 12:05Speaker 1: should do. Is that a thing we say, Yeah.
- 12:08Speaker 4: It can be, you know, No, I agree, I mean
- 12:11Speaker 4: I think I was. When I was watching her performance,
- 12:15Speaker 4: it made me think, Okay, what else was she doing
- 12:18Speaker 4: right around this time? And she had just done mister
- 12:21Speaker 4: Holland's Opus, and you know, which is again when you're
- 12:25Speaker 4: given a character and role like that. This is more
- 12:29Speaker 4: like you know, Canada City comedy. But yeah, maybe I
- 12:37Speaker 4: think you're right when you called it about balance. Like
- 12:41Speaker 4: every time he goes off base to talk with her,
- 12:45Speaker 4: it just stops the action completely. So maybe again, you know,
- 12:50Speaker 4: getting back to rewriting, do something like maybe she's been
- 12:54Speaker 4: living on base housing with him, so she's actually there,
- 12:57Speaker 4: and the and the school is you know, the Colonel
- 13:04Speaker 4: dan Aykroyd is now put in a bind where he's
- 13:06Speaker 4: got to actually enforce the base policy of you can't
- 13:09Speaker 4: live on base if you're not married, like I got
- 13:12Speaker 4: you got thirty days, or I got to kick her out.
- 13:14Speaker 4: It's something like tie those two plots together, because they definitely.
- 13:19Speaker 5: Felt like an A and a B.
- 13:21Speaker 1: Well, I can I can say definitely the thing the
- 13:24Speaker 1: plot element that should have been cut from the beginning,
- 13:27Speaker 1: Like let's just make it super basic and he has
- 13:29Speaker 1: to win one final card game so they have the
- 13:31Speaker 1: money so that they can go off or whatever. Like
- 13:33Speaker 1: you take your idea, then introduce like the final card
- 13:36Speaker 1: game thing. We expect that with this type of movie.
- 13:38Speaker 1: The whole hover tank thing is puzzling at best. That's
- 13:43Speaker 1: the nicest way I can put it. Now, It's no,
- 13:45Speaker 1: it's nineties. It's so nineties.
- 13:48Speaker 2: It's the it's the age of the internet technology booming,
- 13:53Speaker 2: you know, like it's it's where people don't always understand
- 13:56Speaker 2: how advanced technology is or what it can do. We
- 13:59Speaker 2: saw this all over the place in the nineties. This
- 14:02Speaker 2: was very much representative of its time.
- 14:05Speaker 1: Yes, but I'm I'm just saying the movie works better
- 14:08Speaker 1: if you cut it and focus on I love that.
- 14:15Speaker 3: It's so stupid, because it is.
- 14:18Speaker 5: I mean, I'm glad it's not stupid funny, it's just stupid.
- 14:22Speaker 2: But I'm glad that they didn't lampshade the problem with
- 14:26Speaker 2: the tank. Like the first thing that you think of
- 14:28Speaker 2: with a hover tank is how on Earth. Is it
- 14:31Speaker 2: going to fire without it just zooming backwards.
- 14:35Speaker 4: That's exactly the problem, And that's exactly the problem. It's
- 14:41Speaker 4: my head canon is that, you know, Austin Pendleton's character,
- 14:45Speaker 4: he just got fired from Nova Robotics and so went
- 14:50Speaker 4: enlisted into the Army and is now trying to get
- 14:53Speaker 4: his hover tank working, because I feel like that's the
- 14:57Speaker 4: same thing that he would try to come up with.
- 15:00Speaker 1: I just think they're so like, we've spent all of
- 15:03Speaker 1: this time talking about how we would have rewritten, restructured,
- 15:06Speaker 1: read this, read that. I think it just speaks to
- 15:09Speaker 1: the fact that this movie just you know, we hear
- 15:13Speaker 1: all the time about movies being shelved, and then you
- 15:16Speaker 1: run across a movie and you're like, well, if that's
- 15:19Speaker 1: a thing, then.
- 15:21Speaker 5: I don't know. I mean, I guess, I guess you could.
- 15:23Speaker 1: You can't shelve a Steve Martin movie in the nineties, No, No,
- 15:27Speaker 1: you just can't do that, especially get Dan Aykroyd and
- 15:30Speaker 1: Phil Hartman in the cast, you know, and you guys.
- 15:33Speaker 3: Let's talk about Phil Horton.
- 15:35Speaker 2: Yeah, So, how did you guys feel about Hartman's performance?
- 15:38Speaker 2: Was he just Hartman doing Hartman like Martin was doing
- 15:42Speaker 2: Martin or do you feel like he understood what was
- 15:44Speaker 2: going on with the movie and what he needed to bring.
- 15:47Speaker 2: Was he the funniest person on screen? Or was he
- 15:50Speaker 2: truly adding to the ensemble, like, you know, allowing Akroyd
- 15:53Speaker 2: and Martin to kind of bounce off of him.
- 15:55Speaker 3: What do you think?
- 15:57Speaker 1: I think that Hartman was playing the straight man, but
- 16:01Speaker 1: he was desperately in need of the right funny man
- 16:05Speaker 1: to play off of. I think he was playing off
- 16:07Speaker 1: of a character that wasn't manifesting on screen.
- 16:12Speaker 4: Yeah, Bilko, Bilko is the problem because he's like half
- 16:18Speaker 4: straight man, half funny man, depending on the scene. Like
- 16:23Speaker 4: I don't know if I meant to take him seriously
- 16:27Speaker 4: or if he's meant to be the butt of all
- 16:30Speaker 4: the jokes, or if I meant to like root for him,
- 16:34Speaker 4: like obviously root for him because he's the main character.
- 16:37Speaker 4: But yeah, and then I just this whole thing just
- 16:41Speaker 4: feels like a sketch, Like this is an SNL sketch
- 16:45Speaker 4: that instead of being three minutes, we padded it out
- 16:48Speaker 4: to ninety four and it suffered.
- 16:51Speaker 2: M okay, okay, So when I watched this in preparation
- 16:57Speaker 2: for this podcast, we were the three of us were
- 17:00Speaker 2: talking and were like, who has seen this? And I
- 17:02Speaker 2: was like, oh, yeah, I've seen this, right, Yeah, no,
- 17:04Speaker 2: I've seen this. And I was really confused because I
- 17:08Speaker 2: was like, no, I know I saw this as a kid.
- 17:10Speaker 2: But as I finally watched it, I was like, holy crap,
- 17:15Speaker 2: memory unlocked and I knew every single joke, every single line,
- 17:20Speaker 2: every single character. I watched this like crazy when I
- 17:25Speaker 2: was a kid, I don't know. I don't remember owning
- 17:29Speaker 2: Sergeant bilkoh, so, like, I'm not quite sure i'd seen it.
- 17:33Speaker 4: Somebody taped it off the TV, or yeah, maybe.
- 17:37Speaker 3: I taped it off of the TV, or they just
- 17:38Speaker 3: showed it on TV a lot. I can't remember, but
- 17:40Speaker 3: I remember just so much of it.
- 17:43Speaker 2: And I brought it up like last week and I
- 17:46Speaker 2: was hanging out with my uncle and I said, I
- 17:50Speaker 2: was like, you have you seen Sergeant Bilko? I'm talking
- 17:52Speaker 2: about it on Tuesday and he's like, He's.
- 17:55Speaker 3: Like, oh my god, I love that movie so much.
- 17:57Speaker 2: And like my uncle Rick just sixty years old. He
- 18:03Speaker 2: works in hvac is you know, was raised by a
- 18:06Speaker 2: mechanic and does nothing but watch stupid eighties and nineties comedies,
- 18:12Speaker 2: and he loves this movie like he is the that's
- 18:15Speaker 2: what we do well, he is he is the target
- 18:18Speaker 2: demographic for this movie. And I think that's the thing
- 18:22Speaker 2: is that when you look at this movie, when you
- 18:26Speaker 2: go into it knowing what to expect, that it's a
- 18:30Speaker 2: stupid ass nineties comedy with where like the fat, stupid
- 18:37Speaker 2: private or whatever is the butt of the joke. And
- 18:41Speaker 2: that's the era this was filmed in. You give it
- 18:44Speaker 2: a little bit more leeway.
- 18:46Speaker 1: I think I don't, because I went through the nineties
- 18:51Speaker 1: and I didn't give movies like this too much quarterback
- 18:55Speaker 1: then either. I think that these are the sorts of
- 18:58Speaker 1: things where if it works for somebody cool man, that's great.
- 19:02Speaker 1: And I'm not even saying that in a dismissive like
- 19:04Speaker 1: I like competito things.
- 19:06Speaker 5: Trust me, look at my letterbox list, I watch crap.
- 19:10Speaker 2: I know this guy was just pitching me a nineteen
- 19:12Speaker 2: seventies horror film that was probably shot on video.
- 19:16Speaker 5: What was it called Messiah of Evil?
- 19:19Speaker 3: Messiah of Evil?
- 19:20Speaker 5: It's from the writers of American Graffiti. How could you
- 19:23Speaker 5: not want it?
- 19:23Speaker 4: Sounds like something Riff Tracks would cover, or like MST
- 19:27Speaker 4: three K.
- 19:27Speaker 2: It is exactly something that would have a blast with
- 19:31Speaker 2: this movie.
- 19:31Speaker 1: They would really have fun with this movie. But it
- 19:33Speaker 1: is a great mood piece with a lot of liminal spaces,
- 19:37Speaker 1: so dig it. But this is just the type of
- 19:40Speaker 1: thing where it's like sometimes comedy just doesn't work and
- 19:44Speaker 1: it's not even a for you thing. It's just comedy
- 19:46Speaker 1: just doesn't work, but it can still make somebody laugh
- 19:50Speaker 1: because you're like, comedy is the most taste based thing
- 19:54Speaker 1: out there. Like even somebody who's not a big drama
- 19:57Speaker 1: fan can watch The Godfather and be like, Okay, I
- 19:59Speaker 1: get it. I know why people love this. I can
- 20:01Speaker 1: watch Stars and Bilco and I can say the same thing.
- 20:04Speaker 5: Okay, I get it.
- 20:05Speaker 1: I know why somebody would laugh at this, but it's
- 20:08Speaker 1: just not my sense of humor. And then so I
- 20:10Speaker 1: sit there and I just start picking at it and
- 20:12Speaker 1: I get, you know, distracted and bored while I'm watching it,
- 20:15Speaker 1: because that's just the way it works with comedy.
- 20:19Speaker 5: That's just me no.
- 20:20Speaker 4: And it's like I think everything we're saying is true,
- 20:25Speaker 4: like it being a Steve Martin vehicle is what got
- 20:30Speaker 4: a green lit, but also kind of doomed it because
- 20:33Speaker 4: like I could I don't know. I haven't given too
- 20:36Speaker 4: much thought, and like, who else could have played Bilko better?
- 20:39Speaker 5: I don't know.
- 20:40Speaker 4: I'm kind of leaning more towards like a Harold Ramis
- 20:42Speaker 4: or if there's more structuring involved, Like it's not just Bilko,
- 20:49Speaker 4: it's the dynamic between him and the other players, Like there's.
- 20:55Speaker 5: Uh, you know what, I understand what you're saying. It's
- 20:59Speaker 5: not Ramis.
- 21:00Speaker 1: But the thing is, the whole time I was watching this,
- 21:02Speaker 1: I was thinking of this is like a family friendly Stripes,
- 21:06Speaker 1: which had Harold Ramon Murray, and I'm like, Bilko, if
- 21:10Speaker 1: you're not going to have Albert Brooks, this is a
- 21:13Speaker 1: Bill Murray role, because Bill Murray is that sort of
- 21:16Speaker 1: He's right, Stripes didn't exist, right, Yeah, and and that
- 21:20Speaker 1: that's the type of vibe you're going for with this character.
- 21:24Speaker 1: Or just fully embrace it. And for the love of
- 21:27Speaker 1: God help me for saying this, just go ahead and
- 21:29Speaker 1: cast Polly Shore in it and be done.
- 21:31Speaker 5: With it and just put him in the role.
- 21:33Speaker 1: No, just go too far in the other direction. No,
- 21:36Speaker 1: I'm saying, just go too far in the other direction.
- 21:39Speaker 1: I would probably laugh at that because of it, Like
- 21:42Speaker 1: this is insanely stupid, like it was so overcompensate in
- 21:46Speaker 1: the other direction that I'd be along for the ride
- 21:48Speaker 1: in that case.
- 21:49Speaker 2: You know, Robin Williams expressed interest in this role. What
- 21:52Speaker 2: do you think that would have looked? Like?
- 21:54Speaker 5: Hm, I don't think it would have worked.
- 21:56Speaker 4: He's too much. I like, if if we're putting Bill
- 22:02Speaker 4: Murray in the Bill core role, I could almost see
- 22:04Speaker 4: Steve Martin in the Thorn role as the straight but
- 22:09Speaker 4: as the two tightly wound, He's more that character that's
- 22:14Speaker 4: father of the bride, that's plain strains automobiles, like he
- 22:18Speaker 4: does that really well. This, like you said, was his
- 22:24Speaker 4: stand up Like, like I just the tone of how
- 22:27Speaker 4: he delivered everything.
- 22:29Speaker 2: All right, So I do want to give some praise
- 22:31Speaker 2: to this, and so I want to talk about one
- 22:35Speaker 2: particular scene in section that I think was freaking hilarious.
- 22:40Speaker 2: It's when there was a surprise inspection and they were
- 22:44Speaker 2: on their way and they're like, holy crap, what do
- 22:47Speaker 2: we do? And so they switched the signs from Barracks
- 22:50Speaker 2: A to.
- 22:50Speaker 4: Barricks might be favorite scene.
- 22:53Speaker 2: And then they have to def like they all line
- 22:55Speaker 2: up and then like his number two is standing in
- 23:01Speaker 2: his room and it's clearly a woman's room, and Thorn
- 23:05Speaker 2: brings out a brazier. He's like, do you want to
- 23:08Speaker 2: explain this? He's like, I'm under the impression that you're
- 23:11Speaker 2: no longer allowed to ask me that question, sir. This
- 23:14Speaker 2: because this was at the beat, This was right in
- 23:17Speaker 2: the heart of don't ask, don't tell.
- 23:19Speaker 5: Yes, that joke does work.
- 23:22Speaker 1: I laughed harder honestly at the first room that they
- 23:27Speaker 1: went into.
- 23:28Speaker 5: The black family is a black.
- 23:29Speaker 1: Family in the picture, and the guy's like, it's my
- 23:32Speaker 1: favorite sitcom. It's the cast of my favorite sitcom. It
- 23:35Speaker 1: makes you laugh, but it really makes you think. That
- 23:38Speaker 1: was funny. To me, that was great because that's a
- 23:41Speaker 1: type of crap lie that I try.
- 23:43Speaker 5: To come up with. In the moment where I was like,
- 23:44Speaker 5: I don't know what to say right now that I
- 23:47Speaker 5: found funny.
- 23:48Speaker 4: But but again, that whole bit could work in you know,
- 23:54Speaker 4: some sort of school based comedy, like with the dorm
- 24:00Speaker 4: room situation or something like. That's the level of humor
- 24:04Speaker 4: that this movie was trying for. And you know the hustle.
- 24:09Speaker 4: But yeah, that was the the A A barracks b
- 24:13Speaker 4: barracks swap is my It's the funniest part because it's
- 24:17Speaker 4: so they deliver it so dryly, and they're just like squirming,
- 24:22Speaker 4: like why did you get us into this mess?
- 24:24Speaker 5: Bilko?
- 24:25Speaker 1: I I'll you know, if we're gonna be talking about
- 24:28Speaker 1: the positives, I thought that the seeing Bilko trying to lie.
- 24:32Speaker 1: But again, Bill Murray delivering these types of lines and
- 24:35Speaker 1: jokes I think works even better for me. Where it's like,
- 24:39Speaker 1: is that a pile of you know, horse crap? It's like, yeah,
- 24:42Speaker 1: to attract the flies away from the food, sir. And
- 24:44Speaker 1: they look up and they see the horse finally, and
- 24:46Speaker 1: they go what is you know, like the horse is
- 24:49Speaker 1: up there, and it's like fresh.
- 24:50Speaker 5: Is better than anything, sir. Like that that worked for
- 24:53Speaker 5: me too, But again.
- 24:54Speaker 1: It's I imagine it delivered with a slightly different type
- 24:58Speaker 1: of energy and it's even fun year But that was
- 25:00Speaker 1: funny as well. I even liked I mean like I was,
- 25:04Speaker 1: I was with it. I was giving it as much
- 25:06Speaker 1: of a chance as I could. And when you first
- 25:09Speaker 1: go in and there's a tug of war with the horse,
- 25:11Speaker 1: and then you find out that they basically scammed the hustle. Yeah,
- 25:15Speaker 1: they hustled the other the other barracks, and you know
- 25:19Speaker 1: the big guy like out Tug of Wars the horse
- 25:23Speaker 1: That was funny to me too. It so like for
- 25:25Speaker 1: the for the very beginning of it, I was along
- 25:27Speaker 1: with it, if I'm honest. It really wasn't until the
- 25:31Speaker 1: hover Tank that I completely completely started dissociating from the
- 25:35Speaker 1: movie and I was like, okay, well this is I'm
- 25:38Speaker 1: not quite sure what they're doing here.
- 25:40Speaker 3: What what kills me is?
- 25:43Speaker 2: When we got to the ending, it kind of reminded
- 25:45Speaker 2: me the end of the ending of Greece where stay
- 25:50Speaker 2: with me? Where so you have that the new guy,
- 25:55Speaker 2: I can't remember his name, but the new guy, the
- 25:58Speaker 2: guy who was in Galaxy Quest and.
- 26:00Speaker 5: Yes, that would be a Wally.
- 26:02Speaker 4: Yeah, Wally.
- 26:03Speaker 3: Darryl Mitchell, Darryl Mitchell. Thank you.
- 26:05Speaker 2: You have Daryl Mitchell coming in, and you know, like
- 26:10Speaker 2: he he loves his job, he loves the service, wants
- 26:13Speaker 2: to defend his country, and he's he's kind of like
- 26:16Speaker 2: the foil where he's just like he's the conscience and
- 26:20Speaker 2: telling them that they're doing wrong. He's like the audience.
- 26:23Speaker 2: And then at the end he's like, you know what,
- 26:26Speaker 2: I like you, Sergeant Bill Coo. I'm going to break
- 26:30Speaker 2: the law for you. Now and I'm gonna I'm going
- 26:33Speaker 2: to roll back as an odometer because you know, we
- 26:36Speaker 2: had a connection. And so you're like, so you took
- 26:39Speaker 2: this good serviceman corrupted himself now that like, and and
- 26:47Speaker 2: everybody's supposed to smile and say like, yeah, yeah, that's
- 26:50Speaker 2: that's nice.
- 26:51Speaker 3: That's nice. He's now a terrible, terrible serviceman.
- 26:56Speaker 1: Yes, because it's about the human connection. That's what count Like,
- 27:00Speaker 1: if the Army isn't about making friends, what is it for?
- 27:03Speaker 1: It's not about anything but that.
- 27:05Speaker 2: So I have a question for you guys, because I
- 27:07Speaker 2: feel like we haven't even hit the thirty minute mark
- 27:10Speaker 2: and we're we're itching to get to our ratings. Yes,
- 27:13Speaker 2: but I do have a question for you guys. We
- 27:15Speaker 2: don't normally do this, but I feel like this is
- 27:18Speaker 2: something that we should do with. This is a movie
- 27:20Speaker 2: that warrants this question. What would the movie look like today?
- 27:24Speaker 2: I'm saying you got greenlit in twenty twenty six, who
- 27:28Speaker 2: would you cast?
- 27:29Speaker 3: What would it be about?
- 27:30Speaker 2: It's gotta be in the arm services, that's the That's
- 27:35Speaker 2: the only thing I'm gonna stick. It could be Army, Navy,
- 27:39Speaker 2: air Force. Hell, I'll even let you do Space Force.
- 27:41Speaker 1: No, that's what I was going to say, because if
- 27:44Speaker 1: I have to stick with a bizarre technology angle, like
- 27:47Speaker 1: that's a necessity, I have to approach it.
- 27:49Speaker 5: And I'm like, I'm a one to one.
- 27:50Speaker 1: I can't ditch some aspect of this movie in order
- 27:54Speaker 1: to make the movie that I think it should have
- 27:55Speaker 1: been back then, and I gotta have the weird tank
- 27:58Speaker 1: thing in there. Space Force is immediately where I'm going
- 28:01Speaker 1: to straight down going for Space Force and then for
- 28:07Speaker 1: lead actor Darren. I'll let you go first on that one.
- 28:10Speaker 1: I think Space Force, you go with the lead act. Oh,
- 28:14Speaker 1: I'm going my own direction, John, I wasn't building a
- 28:17Speaker 1: Space Force.
- 28:18Speaker 4: I with Navy. They're on an aircraft carrier and they're
- 28:24Speaker 4: trying to get the flywheel airplane catapult to work, which
- 28:29Speaker 4: you know doesn't because that isn't possible. But okay, okay,
- 28:33Speaker 4: Space Force. Well, now we're.
- 28:35Speaker 5: About this space for aircraft carrier. There you go.
- 28:39Speaker 4: Problem solved anyway. Oh gosh, main comedy guy. For now,
- 28:44Speaker 4: it's who do we have?
- 28:46Speaker 2: It's even well, what's crazy is like there's a show
- 28:50Speaker 2: I have not seen it yet, Abount Space Force with
- 28:52Speaker 2: Steve Carrell and I hate and I hate that that
- 28:56Speaker 2: basically would be this, like we're probably out on that.
- 29:02Speaker 1: I've seen a couple of episodes of it. It's cute,
- 29:04Speaker 1: you the clips that you see online are definitely the highlights.
- 29:08Speaker 1: But it's there's a reason it didn't catch on too much.
- 29:12Speaker 1: I'm not trashing it like it's cute. It's it's sort
- 29:14Speaker 1: of like forgettable humor sort of thing where it's like,
- 29:16Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, it is kind of like this where
- 29:18Speaker 1: it's like, I'm not going to remember in ten years
- 29:21Speaker 1: that the show ever existed.
- 29:22Speaker 5: But I didn't.
- 29:24Speaker 1: I didn't like turn off the episode after one I
- 29:26Speaker 1: didn't turn off the series after one episode.
- 29:27Speaker 5: I was like, screw this show. This isn't up front
- 29:30Speaker 5: to come like. It was just it was just there.
- 29:34Speaker 5: I Uh, who would we put in? I don't want
- 29:37Speaker 5: to do Correl.
- 29:38Speaker 1: I Correl if anything would take the place of Hartman
- 29:41Speaker 1: in this. I could see Correll as a Hartman character
- 29:45Speaker 1: because he does that well. I if you, I mean,
- 29:48Speaker 1: if you take it back ten years or twenty years ago,
- 29:51Speaker 1: I'd put Jim Carrey as the Bilco role. But no,
- 29:55Speaker 1: wow today honestly, and people can come at me, they're
- 29:59Speaker 1: gonna get add at me about it. They're going to
- 30:01Speaker 1: be angry whatever. I don't care, but I'll stand by
- 30:04Speaker 1: this if anything, have you guys ever seen Tires on Netflix?
- 30:10Speaker 1: I would put Gillis as Bilkoh and then his Foil
- 30:15Speaker 1: as Hartman's character. Those would be the guys that I
- 30:18Speaker 1: would have at the core of this as the colonel.
- 30:22Speaker 1: I would probably have like Burt Krusher like, I would
- 30:26Speaker 1: just go all in and go with the crazy, silly
- 30:30Speaker 1: comedy angle of it all. So those would be my
- 30:32Speaker 1: three that I would position everything around, and then I
- 30:36Speaker 1: would have kill Tony pick all the remaining cast with
- 30:40Speaker 1: stand up auditions.
- 30:42Speaker 2: I would do Donald Glover bilko Oh, that's a good choice, and.
- 30:50Speaker 5: Thorn Bill Hater's Thorn beautiful, love it, love it. I
- 30:56Speaker 5: think that's great.
- 30:57Speaker 4: You have to throw Charlie Day in there.
- 31:01Speaker 5: Charlie Day. Oh, yes, Charlie Day's a good choice.
- 31:04Speaker 3: Charlie. I would do Air Force.
- 31:06Speaker 1: I definitely stay with Space Force, but Charlie Day would
- 31:09Speaker 1: be Austin Pendleton's character. He's been driven crazy by the
- 31:11Speaker 1: project that he's working on and he's just unhinged.
- 31:15Speaker 5: He's just like it was not gonna work.
- 31:18Speaker 4: It's like, you know, I told that when we wrote
- 31:20Speaker 4: the first paper it's not gonna work. It that they
- 31:21Speaker 4: gave me millions of dollars. I don't go and do
- 31:23Speaker 4: with it because it's like totally yeah.
- 31:26Speaker 5: Yeah, And they don't let him in on it.
- 31:27Speaker 1: So when the cannon supposedly works the first time and
- 31:29Speaker 1: it blows up, blows up like Charlie Day's like kissing
- 31:32Speaker 1: people in the stands.
- 31:33Speaker 5: He's like, oh my god, oh my god, we figured
- 31:35Speaker 5: it out. That sort of thing. Yes, I like that.
- 31:37Speaker 4: Cast you know why the hover tank won't work on
- 31:39Speaker 4: the moon because there's no air, right, yeah, yes.
- 31:46Speaker 5: See, I like that. I like that idea.
- 31:48Speaker 4: They air and shoot it down. That told them this.
- 31:53Speaker 1: It's not just a simple defrauding the government sort of thing,
- 31:56Speaker 1: is that the project makes no sense, but nobody's going
- 32:00Speaker 1: to like defund it because and you could even have
- 32:02Speaker 1: instead of having an admiral or general or whomever show
- 32:06Speaker 1: up at the end, it's a congressman who talks about
- 32:09Speaker 1: all the jobs that it's bringing to his district, and
- 32:12Speaker 1: he refuses to cancel the project. And you're gonna make
- 32:15Speaker 1: this damn thing work because I need factory jobs. In
- 32:18Speaker 1: this Town again or something like that, that.
- 32:20Speaker 3: Played by Brian Cox.
- 32:25Speaker 4: You're just Brian Cranston as Brian and Brian double double senators.
- 32:33Speaker 1: Yeah, either Brian Cranston is the senator at the end,
- 32:35Speaker 1: or he's the colonel.
- 32:36Speaker 2: I was gonna say, Cranston is Ackroyd's character and Cox
- 32:39Speaker 2: is the congressman who goes after Cranston.
- 32:43Speaker 1: I could see that. I could completely see that. See,
- 32:45Speaker 1: we've made a better movie in the modern era just.
- 32:49Speaker 4: By recasting with that.
- 32:50Speaker 1: Even if I Acquiesce and I say, uh, you know,
- 32:53Speaker 1: take Gillis gill Us at least is in the supporting cast.
- 32:56Speaker 1: If he's not the lead, he's at least in the
- 32:58Speaker 1: supporting cast. He's one of these characters. It's on the
- 33:00Speaker 1: side here. My question is who is taking the place
- 33:03Speaker 1: of Glenn Headley's character. Who's in there? Hmm yeah, right,
- 33:09Speaker 1: that's a tough one.
- 33:10Speaker 2: Who would be a good pairing for Ooh, it's uh
- 33:17Speaker 2: fleabag because they never.
- 33:18Speaker 4: Got actually just thinking of.
- 33:21Speaker 2: You, because they never got to make that show work
- 33:24Speaker 2: when they were supposed to be together.
- 33:25Speaker 4: Yeah, would they was that mister and missus Smith they
- 33:28Speaker 4: were trying to.
- 33:28Speaker 2: Yeah, that was supposed to be mister and missus Smith together. Okay,
- 33:32Speaker 2: mainly just because I want to see them together. I
- 33:33Speaker 2: don't even think that it would be a good choice.
- 33:35Speaker 2: I just want to see them together.
- 33:37Speaker 5: I could see waller Bridge in there.
- 33:40Speaker 1: I could see that because she could play the flustered
- 33:43Speaker 1: part of it very well.
- 33:44Speaker 5: Yeah, I could see. Yeah, I could see that.
- 33:46Speaker 3: All right, let's pull the ripcord.
- 33:49Speaker 5: They have that in the Army planes, the airborne jumps
- 33:54Speaker 5: out of airplanes.
- 33:54Speaker 3: Airborne, all right, Darren air Force.
- 33:57Speaker 5: No, I don't know how.
- 33:59Speaker 3: Will's wheels are you giving this movie?
- 34:02Speaker 5: Oh?
- 34:03Speaker 1: Man?
- 34:04Speaker 4: This movie? Yeah, it didn't age well. The jokes do
- 34:10Speaker 4: not land. But you're not wrong, Tristan, in that it
- 34:14Speaker 4: has its audience, it has its nineties like I'm just
- 34:19Speaker 4: watching something for fun. What sad is like? We've seen
- 34:23Speaker 4: this type of structure of the getting Away with It
- 34:28Speaker 4: under the Authority figures nos done better in so many
- 34:33Speaker 4: other movies like this doesn't necessarily bring anything new to
- 34:38Speaker 4: the table in that regard. So yeah, I'm I'm just
- 34:44Speaker 4: gonna give it a nice one. I'm not gonna watch
- 34:47Speaker 4: this again. I'm not gonna remember this. I'm gonna go
- 34:50Speaker 4: watch playing the trains and automobiles to remember what an
- 34:53Speaker 4: amazing actor?
- 34:54Speaker 3: A nice one? How does that work? A nice?
- 35:00Speaker 4: Giving it one Rolette wheel? There's only one Rolett Wheel
- 35:02Speaker 4: in Roulette?
- 35:04Speaker 3: All right, John, what nice rating are you gonna Ginvince?
- 35:08Speaker 1: Oh, I'm not gonna be nice. I'm gonna even a
- 35:10Speaker 1: nasty one, is what I'm gonna give it. I don't
- 35:14Speaker 1: I wasn't angry at the end of it. But this
- 35:17Speaker 1: is something where I think, in five years you'll have
- 35:21Speaker 1: to remind me that I had seen it, and then
- 35:24Speaker 1: I will insist that I still hadn't seen it, and
- 35:26Speaker 1: then you'll pull up my letterbox and you'll be like, look,
- 35:29Speaker 1: you logged it on this day in twenty twenty six,
- 35:31Speaker 1: and I'll go, huh, son of a gun, I saw
- 35:34Speaker 1: this movie, so I'm giving.
- 35:36Speaker 5: It a one.
- 35:38Speaker 2: I uh so, I have nothing but nostalgia for this
- 35:42Speaker 2: movie after seeing it again, like it took me back
- 35:44Speaker 2: to when I was a kid and just laughing my
- 35:48Speaker 2: butt off as a child because it's such stupid humor
- 35:51Speaker 2: and this made I don't I don't care who knows it.
- 35:55Speaker 2: I don't care what you guys think. I don't care
- 35:58Speaker 2: what the internet thinks this made me laugh harder than
- 36:01Speaker 2: my cousin Vitty. So I'm giving it the same rating
- 36:04Speaker 2: as the Oscar Award winning my cousin Vinny with three
- 36:09Speaker 2: stars because I probably will watch this again.
- 36:11Speaker 5: This movie broke him John, it broke our each their
- 36:16Speaker 5: own No, like.
- 36:18Speaker 3: Is this like I can't. I can't. It's not a
- 36:21Speaker 3: movie I can defend.
- 36:23Speaker 4: No, I get it what you said. I watched this
- 36:26Speaker 4: a ton growing up, and I don't remember where my
- 36:28Speaker 4: you know, copies be.
- 36:29Speaker 5: War three stars.
- 36:31Speaker 4: I knew it was going to be up there a
- 36:33Speaker 4: little bit, but that's okay.
- 36:35Speaker 1: Just like if you look at my rating of Star
- 36:36Speaker 1: Trek five, like there's a four and I there's a
- 36:39Speaker 1: feel below it because I have an I have a
- 36:41Speaker 1: very specific emotional feeling. I get it, man, and I
- 36:44Speaker 1: don't I respect it. At least you're honest about it. Cool,
- 36:49Speaker 1: that's great. My always may vary, and.
- 36:51Speaker 2: This is definitely one of those times when I am
- 36:54Speaker 2: one hundred percent honest about it. You can't defend this
- 36:56Speaker 2: movie like, no, No, this is this is This is
- 36:59Speaker 2: a garbage movie and it's stupid humor. But that's the
- 37:03Speaker 2: appeal is sometimes you need the McDonald's burger like you
- 37:08Speaker 2: can't eat steak all the time. All right, Darren, what
- 37:11Speaker 2: are we doing next week? And let's see if it's
- 37:14Speaker 2: better than the one, one three. Sergeant Bilco, Well, we'll see.
- 37:19Speaker 4: As we wrap up the House of Jonathan Lynn, we're
- 37:22Speaker 4: going to be covering not the first yard, not the
- 37:25Speaker 4: second yard, but the whole nine yards. From two thousand,
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