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Sharri | 8 July · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Shari.
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Speaker 3: Well, good evening and welcome to the program. I'm James
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Speaker 3: Macpherson filling in for Shari this week. Can you believe
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Speaker 3: the Labor Party. I mean, they've just announced their plan
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Speaker 3: to combat Pauline Hanson. And here's what they've decided to do.
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Speaker 3: In order to halt the drift of voters to one nation,
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Speaker 3: Labour's decided to double down on the very policies that
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Speaker 3: are driving people to one nation.
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Speaker 1: Honestly, you could not make it up.
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Speaker 3: Take the divisive welcome to country as just one example.
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Speaker 3: At next month's ALP national conference in Adelaide, Labor isn't
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Speaker 3: planning to tone down the culture wars.
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Speaker 1: Quite the opposite.
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Speaker 3: They're proposing to formally enshrine one of this country's most
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Speaker 3: divisive rituals into official party policy. Here's the exact wording
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Speaker 3: of what's being proposed. I'm quoting here. Labour recognizes the
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Speaker 3: importance of welcome to country and acknowledgment of country ceremonies
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Speaker 3: as opportunities to show respect to first nations people.
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Speaker 1: Are they for real?
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Speaker 3: Polling over the past few years has consistently shown the
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Speaker 3: majority of Australians are sick to death of these divisive
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Speaker 3: race based ceremonies in which we're ritually reminded we are
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Speaker 3: visitors in our own country. A news dot com Dot
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Speaker 3: a U poll of fifty thousand people found two thirds
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Speaker 3: wanted Welcome the Country ceremonies completely scrapped. So naturally Labour's
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Speaker 3: response is, well, let's have more. The Prime Minister was
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Speaker 3: asked about this today and in attempting to defend Welcome
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Speaker 3: the Country ceremonies, he demonstrated exactly why they should be binned.
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Speaker 3: Albanezy was in Brisbane spooking evs, of course, when a
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Speaker 3: journalist asked him about paul In Hanson's opposition to Welcome
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Speaker 3: the Country.
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Speaker 1: Here's how he began his response.
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Speaker 4: I'm not focused on on cultural wars, never have.
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I don't know.
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Speaker 4: It hurts anyone for people to be polite.
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Speaker 3: Sorry, give you a second elban easy. Isn't focused on
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Speaker 3: culture wars, never has been. It's like Dracula insisting is
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Speaker 3: not really into next. Chalk it up as another elbow lie.
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Speaker 3: But notice what happened next. He said he doesn't do
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Speaker 3: culture wars before immediately making support for Welcome to Country.
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Speaker 3: A moral test of whether or not you're a polite Australian.
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Speaker 3: And if you object to being ceremonially welcomed into your
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Speaker 3: own country where you already live, well, apparently you're not
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Speaker 3: expressing a political opinion, you're just rude. And then came
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Speaker 3: the analogy that should have had every Labour strategist reaching
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Speaker 3: for the emergency stop button.
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Speaker 1: Have a listen to this.
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Speaker 4: If I come into your home, I'll knock on the
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Speaker 4: door and I'll say it, say okay, if I come in,
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Speaker 4: you go, yeah, welcome exactly.
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Speaker 3: Thank you, Prime Minister. You've just explained the objection to
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Speaker 3: welcome the country better than Pauline Hansen ever could have.
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Speaker 3: The PM says it's polite when you go to someone
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Speaker 3: else's house that you knock and ask permission to enter. Now,
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Speaker 3: the PM's analogy only works if Australia is somebody else's house.
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Speaker 3: Then the rest of us are visitors. That's the premise,
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Speaker 3: and that's the problem. The Prime Minister doesn't seem to
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Speaker 3: realize the metaphor he's using is precisely why millions of
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Speaker 3: Australians reject these ceremonies. He thinks he's rebutting the criticism.
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Speaker 3: He's illustrating it.
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Speaker 1: He just explained.
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Speaker 3: Perfectly why welcome to country is both highly inappropriate and
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Speaker 3: highly offensive. Australia doesn't belong to a small group of
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Speaker 3: people by virtue of their ancestry as opposed to the
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Speaker 3: rest of us who were also born here but with
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Speaker 3: a slightly different skin tone. I don't need to knock
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Speaker 3: on the door of my local indigenous elder and ask
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Speaker 3: permission to go about my business in my country, which
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Speaker 3: begs the question how can the PM not see how
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Speaker 3: incredibly divisive that is?
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Speaker 1: Well, let me answer my own question. The problem with being.
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Speaker 3: Wedded to ideology as Elbow is is that it blinds
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Speaker 3: you to seeing anything else like reality. Let me give
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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister just a little more rope.
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Speaker 4: I don't think it hurts anyone, and it's all it is.
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Speaker 4: It's an act of politeness. It's someone saying, is it
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Speaker 4: okay if I come under your country and respect the
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Speaker 4: land and waters.
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Speaker 1: That you have looked after and people welcome them.
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Speaker 3: What so the Prime Minister says that a welcome to
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Speaker 3: country ceremony is you and I seeking permission to go
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Speaker 3: about our business in our own country, or rather their country.
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Speaker 1: I'm not verbaling him.
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Speaker 4: Listen again, someone saying, is it okay if I come
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Speaker 4: under your country and respect the land and waters.
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Speaker 1: That you have looked after.
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Speaker 3: Somewhere in Queensland right now, Pauline Hanson is sending Labor
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Speaker 3: a thank you card. Her vote just went up another
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Speaker 3: ten percent. Albanezey said he doesn't see how this hurts anyone. Well,
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Speaker 3: let me make it plain. It hurts Indigenous Australians by
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Speaker 3: fostering within them a sense of entitlement and superiority that
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Speaker 3: isn't due, and it's wrong of the government to do
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Speaker 3: that to them. It hurts non Indigenous Australians by perpetuating
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Speaker 3: a sense of guilt they don't deserve, and to visitor
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Speaker 3: status in the only country they've ever known. It hurts
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Speaker 3: the whole country by turning citizenship, which ought to unite
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Speaker 3: Australians regardless of ancestry, into an endless conversation about bloodlines.
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Speaker 1: And so we end up with this.
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Speaker 5: Welcome to Country is not a ceremony that we've invented
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Speaker 5: to cater for white people. It's a ceromony we've been
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Speaker 5: doing for two hundred and fifty thousand years plus BC
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Speaker 5: and the BC stands for before cook and.
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Speaker 1: We end up with this.
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Speaker 6: The drivers of this crisis are well known, the ongoine
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Speaker 6: impacts of colonizations, systemic racism, limited recognition of sovereignty, resistant
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Speaker 6: to indigenous leadership. If you wish to discuss as catch
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Speaker 6: up with me afterwards, Ah, here's my business card.
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Speaker 3: And yet the Prime Minister stands there today and says this.
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Speaker 4: I don't think it hurts anyone.
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Speaker 3: If he doesn't think it hurts anyone, then he's not thinking.
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Speaker 3: I said I'd give the PM some more rope. So
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Speaker 3: here he is fully extended.
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Speaker 4: Just cultural respect. Just like when I arrived at the
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Speaker 4: Vulva factory. Here today, I said thank you to the
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Speaker 4: people for welcoming me.
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister, you said thank you to the people for
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Speaker 3: welcoming you at their factory because it's their factory, built it,
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Speaker 3: they run it, they own it. And what if the
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Speaker 3: owners of the factory didn't welcome you, well you'd be
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Speaker 3: a trespasser. Now if that's the Prime Minister's comparison, and
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Speaker 3: it is, then once again he's conceded the central point
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Speaker 3: the argument against Welcome the Country isn't that Australians.
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Speaker 1: Have forgotten how to be polite.
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Speaker 3: It's that governments like Albanzi's keep insisting the country belongs
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Speaker 3: more to some Australians than it does to other Australians.
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Speaker 3: I wonder if it's ever occurred to Anthony Albanesi, you know,
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Speaker 3: in those quiet moments when he's not thinking about Kylie Minogue,
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Speaker 3: that maybe the rise of one nation isn't due to racism,
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Speaker 3: maybe it's a reaction to racism, the racism now being
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Speaker 3: proposed as official labor policy. Well, Anthony Albenze held that
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Speaker 3: press conference at Evolvo factory in Brisbane today, after which
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Speaker 3: he took questions from the press.
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Speaker 1: For more than fifteen minutes.
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Speaker 3: Now, during that fifteen minutes, he was asked about Volvo trucks.
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Speaker 1: He was asked about China.
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Speaker 3: He was asked about Telstra, he was asked about welcome
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Speaker 3: to Country ceremonies. But can you guess the one subject
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Speaker 3: that never came up. Not a single journalist asked him
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Speaker 3: about that podcast, you know, the one where he said
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Speaker 3: he wouldn't mind shagging Kylie Minogue.
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Speaker 1: Not even a whisper of it. It was as if
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Speaker 1: it had never happened.
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Speaker 3: It was the same yesterday when Anthony Albaneze held a
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Speaker 3: press conference in the Solomon Islands. Not a word about
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Speaker 3: the podcast. Nothing now Here's what's weird. Liberal leader Angus
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Speaker 3: Taylor has been asked about it here. He was on
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Speaker 3: three OW.
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Speaker 2: What would you have done if you were asked the
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Speaker 2: same questions? Well, I wouldn't have responded in that way.
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Speaker 2: I can assure you of that. My wife would never
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Speaker 2: forgive me. Look, honestly, it's just off. It's really off,
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Speaker 2: and I think people expeak more of a prime minister.
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Speaker 2: We're not getting that from this guy, So work.
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Speaker 1: That one out.
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Speaker 3: Anthony Albernizi makes the comment Angus Taylor gets the question.
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Speaker 3: It's like catching someone robbing a bank but deciding to
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Speaker 3: interview the bloke waiting at the bus stop across the
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Speaker 3: road instead. Imagine, just for a moment, if the political
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Speaker 3: roles have been reversed, right, Imagine Peter Dutton had gone
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Speaker 3: on a podcast and casually remarked he wouldn't mind shagging.
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Speaker 1: Delta Gudrum do you reckon?
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Speaker 3: The press gallery would have politely ignored it for two
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Speaker 3: consecutive days, or would every microphone in Canberra and then
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Speaker 3: some have been thrust under Dutton's nose before he'd even
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Speaker 3: finished his morning coffee. Some stories become national scandals, others
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Speaker 3: become invisible. And the difference isn't always the story, it's
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Speaker 3: just who's telling it. Well, James Cook University in North
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Speaker 3: Queensland says it's not changing its name. It has, however,
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Speaker 3: commissioned a report into what happen if it ever decided
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Speaker 3: to change its name. Not that the name change is
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Speaker 3: being considered, of course, It's simply a report for the
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Speaker 3: hypothetical day when a hypothetical name change might hypothetically become
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Speaker 3: a hypothetical reality. Universities used to prepare students for the future,
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Speaker 3: Now they prepare themselves for imaginary arguments.
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Speaker 1: Now I know what you're thinking.
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Speaker 3: This is another bunch of woke academics trying to raise
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Speaker 3: the legacy of Captain James Cook. No, No, that's far
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Speaker 3: too cynical of you. Apparently the problem isn't James Cook's
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Speaker 3: connection to colonization all right?
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Speaker 1: Well, actually yes it is.
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Speaker 3: The report states, and I quote Cook's arrival symbolizes the
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Speaker 3: beginning of colonization and the profound dispossession, violence and disruption
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Speaker 3: that followed. So there it is history as interpreted by
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Speaker 3: people who believe the past should come with a trigger warning.
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Speaker 3: But that's not the only concern the No, there are
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Speaker 3: far more bigger, and larger and more pressing problems. The
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Speaker 3: report also claims, and I quote, in some international markets,
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Speaker 3: James Cook has little cultural or historical resonance, and in
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Speaker 3: some cases the university's name is misinterpreted as a cooking school. Well,
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Speaker 3: of course, I mean, just like students mistake Curtain University
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Speaker 3: for an interior decorating academy, or Southern Cross University for
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Speaker 3: an astronomy institute, and Bond University for a finance company.
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Speaker 1: Give me a break.
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Speaker 3: If you believe James Cook is too controversial because he
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Speaker 3: represents British settlement, then have the courage to just say that.
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Speaker 3: Don't pretend the problem is confused international students who can't
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Speaker 3: tell the difference between their Captain Cook and their Gordon ramsay.
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Speaker 1: In fact, here's a thought. If oversees students.
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Speaker 3: Genuinely think James Cook University teaches soufles instead of science,
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Speaker 3: I would call that an unexpectedly effective entrance exam. Anyone
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Speaker 3: who's research into an Australian university begins and ends with
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Speaker 3: the word Cook probably isn't quite ready for tertiary education
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Speaker 3: in this country. The James Cook University Report estimates that
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Speaker 3: changing the university's name would cost around twelve million dollars.
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Speaker 3: Not that they're changing the name, perister thought. The university insists.
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Speaker 3: The report provides and I quote, a structured, transparent approach
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Speaker 3: should the issue ever arise in future years, which, of
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Speaker 3: course is bureaucratic speech for we're absolutely not doing it.
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Speaker 3: We've just worked out exactly how we're going to do
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Speaker 3: it when we finally decide to do it, not that
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Speaker 3: they're going to do it, of course. Well you've got
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Speaker 3: to feel sorry for Telco's, don't you. I mean, sure,
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Speaker 3: their phone plans require a law degree, a spreadsheet and
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Speaker 3: the patience of a hostage negotiator. And yes, their contracts
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Speaker 3: are confusing, their exit fees are legendary, and finding a
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Speaker 3: human being to help you when something goes wrong is
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Speaker 3: almost impossible. And on top of all of that, there's
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Speaker 3: today's Telstra outage, leaving thousands of Australians unable to make
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Speaker 3: phone calls, pay bills, or, in a cruel twist of
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Speaker 3: modern dependency, charge the evs.
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Speaker 1: But just when you.
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Speaker 3: Thought Telco's couldn't have it any worse. Well, long comes
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Speaker 3: Communications Minister Anika Wells to deliver this.
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Speaker 2: Telcos are the least trusted industry in our country as
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Speaker 2: we stand today, and days like today demonstrate exactly why
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Speaker 2: Australians feel that.
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Speaker 3: Way out Now, I get it, the telcos aren't on
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Speaker 3: my Christmas card list either. But when Anika Wells of
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Speaker 3: Travel roughts fame but rates you for being untrustworthy, wow,
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Speaker 3: that's got to be.
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Speaker 1: Hard to take.
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Speaker 3: Let's bring in our panel Eminence Advisories Dimitra Burstein and
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Speaker 3: Sky News contributor Joe Hildebrand before we get into the
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Speaker 3: main guts of this. Did either of you get affected
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Speaker 3: by the Telstra outdedg today?
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Speaker 1: Dimitri?
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Speaker 7: Yes, I'm a Telstra customer and directly my son is too,
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Speaker 7: and he was calling me from work saying I've got
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Speaker 7: no data.
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Speaker 3: For a second, I thought your son is two years
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Speaker 3: old and was on a mobile phone. No, no, no,
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Speaker 3: your son was also affected and he's trying to get
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Speaker 3: in touch with you.
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Speaker 1: Joe, what about you?
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm with Telstra and didn't notice it at all.
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Speaker 8: I think that's because no one tries to call me.
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Speaker 1: There you go, all right?
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Speaker 3: Let's have a listen to Telstra CFO Michael Ackland to
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Speaker 3: address the media today as workers scrambled to repair the network.
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Speaker 9: We are still conducting our investigation into the root cause,
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Speaker 9: but we are confident we have identified a software defect.
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Speaker 9: We've been able to isolate it. We'll provide further technical
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Speaker 9: details of this once that once we complete the investigation.
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Speaker 9: I want to be clear, this was not the result
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Speaker 9: of a cyber incident.
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Speaker 3: Okay, so malicious activity has been ruled out as a
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Speaker 3: cause for the outage. Joe, what do you make of
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Speaker 3: the way that they've handled this. It's early days, but yeah,
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Speaker 3: what have you made of it?
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Speaker 8: It's a real problem for telcos they believed or not.
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Speaker 8: I was actually hosting a telecommunications industry sort of summit
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Speaker 8: conference whatever you want to call it, and was great
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Speaker 8: and fine and everything. But they know that they have
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Speaker 8: a massive problem on their hands. They are the least
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Speaker 8: trusted industry in the country. When you're least trusted even
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Speaker 8: then journalists, then you know you're in a whole bunch
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Speaker 8: of trouble.
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Speaker 10: I would have said the labor party, Joe, Labor party,
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Speaker 10: go fine, James, I don't know where you're getting your
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Speaker 10: information from They're going great guns this week, but it
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Speaker 10: is a real massive reputational problem that they are facing,
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Speaker 10: and there is hard data to back that up.
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Speaker 8: And they need to make sure that when something like
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Speaker 8: this happens, as inevitable as these outages probably are, that
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Speaker 8: they are seen to be absolutely one hundred percent on
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Speaker 8: the front foot reacting immediately. We saw it with Optisk,
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Speaker 8: which was absolutely disastrous, and now Telstra, you know, we've
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Speaker 8: got the CEO Mia on annual leave. Anika Wells was
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Speaker 8: also on annual leave, but came back very quickly, and
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Speaker 8: that is a good thing. I think she's done well there,
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Speaker 8: even if it took a few hours. But that was
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Speaker 8: just logistics, I imagine. But the fact that the CFO
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Speaker 8: had to stand up and take the fall for this,
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Speaker 8: I think shows that maybe tells her has a bit
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Speaker 8: of a bit to learn still on crisis management. Maybe
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Speaker 8: you Meteor, you could help them.
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Speaker 3: I mean, after what happened with Optus, you'd think they
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Speaker 3: would be ready for something like this, because it's kind
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Speaker 3: of inevitable that at some point these systems are going
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Speaker 3: to have a glitch, is it not.
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Speaker 7: It is, and I think people should just take a
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Speaker 7: bex and a lie down. I mean, how much do
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Speaker 7: you want to pay for your telco services to make
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Speaker 7: them bulletproof? It's a trade off. They can invest as
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Speaker 7: and they can poor capital after capital after capital, as
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Speaker 7: does the NBN, and it still falls over. It will
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Speaker 7: always fall over. There's no perfection in this world. And
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Speaker 7: I think the expectations of the CEO being chained to
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Speaker 7: her desk just in case of a crisis, an unexpected crisis,
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Speaker 7: is just utterly unrealistic. I mean, faired income Joe, what
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Speaker 7: did you expect What would you expect her to be
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Speaker 7: doing in the data room? You know, be trolling through
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Speaker 7: the piece through the sun.
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Speaker 8: But I think you'd think that she would there would
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Speaker 8: be a statement that she would interrupt her hold. Obviously,
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Speaker 8: people aren't expected to never ever go on leave. But
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Speaker 8: when something like this happens, when you are on leave,
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Speaker 8: as the Communications Minister has done, you have the decensy
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Speaker 8: in the respect for the people that you have inconvenienced.
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Speaker 8: And the truth is, and again the industry knows this
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Speaker 8: is that for people like you and me, it might
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Speaker 8: just have a bex in a lie down. As I said,
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Speaker 8: I wasn't affected, but for younger people who are complete
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Speaker 8: digital natives.
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Speaker 1: Having that go out on.
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Speaker 8: You for an extended period of time is like losing
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Speaker 8: a limb. Then there is, of course the other question
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Speaker 8: of you know, triple O and where there are any
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Speaker 8: unnecessary deaths And we don't seem to think that there
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Speaker 8: were in this one. But there were possible advantages, possible
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Speaker 8: really disadvantageous outcomes when the optics outage happened. And I
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Speaker 8: mean they took a lie down without getting a bet.
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Speaker 3: Joe with regards the boss of Telstra, It's possible they
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Speaker 3: just couldn't get hold of it.
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Speaker 11: Good chet.
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Speaker 3: Let me ask you a couple of questions on this
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Speaker 3: to meet you. What do you think about criticism of
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Speaker 3: Barnaby Joyce because he was out of the blocks early
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Speaker 3: saying you know, this might be a system failure or
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Speaker 3: it could be malicious activity from a bad actor i e.
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Speaker 1: China.
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Speaker 3: Do you think that was irresponsible or do you think
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Speaker 3: he's highlighting something that in this case doesn't seem to
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Speaker 3: be the problem, but is a vulnerability that we need
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Speaker 3: to be aware of.
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Speaker 7: Look, I think it was utterly irresponsible of him. I
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Speaker 7: mean it could have been space aliens as well, or
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Speaker 7: Jewish space lasers, I mean fat income. I mean, let's
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Speaker 7: get let's get the facts here before you start speculating
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Speaker 7: on what it is. It could have been a fat
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Speaker 7: fingered fat finger eraror it could have been somebody you know,
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Speaker 7: dripped over a power cable in the data center.
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Speaker 1: It could be anything.
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Speaker 7: Let's let's just take you know, take a breath, and
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Speaker 7: get the data, find out what's going on, and then
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Speaker 7: make commentary. I mean, I suspect, you know, Barnaby's just
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Speaker 7: looking to get some metia oxygen.
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Speaker 3: Okay, let's I'll take that point. But at the same
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Speaker 3: time that the point remains that we have this amazing
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Speaker 3: world now, right yep, But we are incredibly vulnerable at
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Speaker 3: the same time, aren't we.
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Speaker 12: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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Speaker 8: I mean, look, we know that China goes and gets
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Speaker 8: into our national infrastructure and sometimes just goes there to
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Speaker 8: just sort of rattle things around and see how it
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Speaker 8: all works. And they did that with a Bureau of Meteorology.
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Speaker 8: I'm sure they're doing it with one of our major
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Speaker 8: institutions right now even as we speak. And what they
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Speaker 8: could potentially do in the event of an industrial war
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Speaker 8: or an all out God help us hot war is terrifying.
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Speaker 8: But I don't think that's reason to say, oh, look,
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Speaker 8: it might be China, or it might be you know again,
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Speaker 8: it might be a lightning strike in Timbuktu. But until
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Speaker 8: we actually know, I mean, ironically, given Traitary said to
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Speaker 8: getting all the data, it was probably data that caused it,
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Speaker 8: they seem to think it might have been a data center.
19:36
Speaker 3: Here's the other one I want to ask you about.
19:38
Speaker 3: Was there's been criticism of the Shadow Communications Minister Sarah
19:42
Speaker 3: Henderson because she grabbed her phone and dialed Triple apparently
19:46
Speaker 3: to check if whether a TRIPLO was working. Now she's
19:49
Speaker 3: been slammed by government ministers for that, saying that's the
19:53
Speaker 3: last thing you should be doing is making wasteful calls
19:56
Speaker 3: to Triple O.
19:58
Speaker 1: I'm not so sure I agree with that. If you're
19:59
Speaker 1: the shadow.
20:00
Speaker 3: Minister, you want to know if it's working in the
20:02
Speaker 3: quickest way. It takes you two seconds, it's not going
20:04
Speaker 3: to cripple the system. I think that criticism was unfair,
20:08
Speaker 3: but Demetria, I'm keen to hear what you think.
20:10
Speaker 7: Well. To start with, I believe it's a crime to
20:12
Speaker 7: make an unnecessary Triple.
20:13
Speaker 1: O crawl or you're going hard call to start with.
20:16
Speaker 7: But you know, I'm not throwing you know, I'm not
20:18
Speaker 7: going to suggest you'd be prosecuted.
20:20
Speaker 1: But what does it achieve?
20:22
Speaker 7: You know, there are I imagine thousands of you know,
20:24
Speaker 7: hundreds of technicians investigating these things on the spot. Other
20:28
Speaker 7: than a cheap media grab, what does it achieve.
20:31
Speaker 3: Well, I want to move on to the next topic,
20:32
Speaker 3: but Joe Hildebrand, in a rare moment on Sky News,
20:34
Speaker 3: I want to give you twenty seconds to defend the
20:38
Speaker 3: Coalition shadow communication spokesperson.
20:41
Speaker 6: Yeah.
20:41
Speaker 8: Look, I think it was obviously a bit of a start.
20:42
Speaker 8: I don't think one phone I mean again, there's so
20:44
Speaker 8: much faux outrage in the world at the moment. We'll
20:47
Speaker 8: probably talk about some more of it in the next topic.
20:49
Speaker 8: But you know, the idea that you know, this one
20:52
Speaker 8: phone call was the straw that crippled the entire outage. Well,
20:54
Speaker 8: we know what crippled the crippled the network, the Telstra outage.
20:59
Speaker 1: That's all you need to do.
21:00
Speaker 8: But I think the idea, the idea that it had
21:02
Speaker 8: to be heard to find out if it was working
21:03
Speaker 8: or not. I'm pretty sure other people are already on that.
21:06
Speaker 1: All right, I spoke at the.
21:07
Speaker 3: Top of the show about Labor members wanting to formalize
21:10
Speaker 3: the party's support for Welcome to Country. This is also
21:14
Speaker 3: part of a proposed commitment to a formal anti racism
21:18
Speaker 3: strategy that would have the Labor Party create what they're
21:23
Speaker 3: calling a positive duty on employers to prevent racism. So
21:29
Speaker 3: let me start with Welcome the Country. Dimitri, why do
21:32
Speaker 3: you think Labor are doubling down on this at this time?
21:35
Speaker 7: Well, who knows, but it's good to see that they're
21:38
Speaker 7: focused on the big issues cost of living, housing, defense.
21:42
Speaker 7: I mean, all I can say is, at least the
21:44
Speaker 7: crypto communists in the US Democratic Party has to have
21:48
Speaker 7: the decency to at least differentiate themselves by calling themselves
21:50
Speaker 7: democratic social work.
21:53
Speaker 3: All right, fair call could have said that better myself,
21:56
Speaker 3: which I'd said that at the top of the show, Joe.
21:59
Speaker 3: This for employers to fight racism before it happens. So
22:05
Speaker 3: now I get if you see racism, deal with it.
22:06
Speaker 3: But this has got disaster written all over it. Acquiring
22:10
Speaker 3: employers to have anti racism policies.
22:13
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, look, firstly, most large employers already do anyway,
22:17
Speaker 8: but this is not I think we have to be clear.
22:19
Speaker 8: This is an idiotic obsession from the left of the
22:23
Speaker 8: Labor Party, which now has the numbers at National Conference
22:26
Speaker 8: and is now introducing it sort of grab bag of
22:29
Speaker 8: ideological fantasies. It is insane. It is the worst thing
22:33
Speaker 8: that the Labor Party could possibly be doing right at
22:36
Speaker 8: the moment. And you could see from poor old Albo
22:38
Speaker 8: having to defend this gup in Brisbane that it was
22:42
Speaker 8: just a nightmare. And he gets bogged down in this
22:44
Speaker 8: stuff talking about this stuff like the voice, why are
22:47
Speaker 8: you're talking about this ideological crap when we're all struggling
22:51
Speaker 8: under cost of living? And it is his own faction. Sadly,
22:54
Speaker 8: he's trying to sort of make himself more of a
22:56
Speaker 8: centrist and chart a sort of middle path. And it's
22:58
Speaker 8: an idiotic left operatives, the left activists in his own
23:03
Speaker 8: faction who keep throwing this mud against the wall. And
23:07
Speaker 8: they've done it in previous conferences in Victoria with Palestine,
23:11
Speaker 8: not in New South Wales where the right runs the show.
23:13
Speaker 8: And you know, but the truth is these policies at
23:17
Speaker 8: National Conference don't matter for Dittley squad.
23:19
Speaker 2: Then they are.
23:20
Speaker 8: Theoretical labor policies. They are not actual practical government policies
23:25
Speaker 8: and thank Christ for that, because if the government did
23:27
Speaker 8: adopt them, labor would be carried out the next election
23:30
Speaker 8: in a casket.
23:31
Speaker 3: Well you will see in a couple of years, Joe Dimitri,
23:34
Speaker 3: I appreciate you both joining me tonight.
23:36
Speaker 1: All right.
23:36
Speaker 3: I heard something on two GB radio that was so
23:40
Speaker 3: unbelievable today. I had to go onto the government website
23:43
Speaker 3: myself and check it out just to make sure it
23:45
Speaker 3: was real. And I wish it wasn't real, but it is.
23:48
Speaker 3: The Albanezi government has just announced a new taxpayer funded
23:51
Speaker 3: grant is there any other kind to help Indigenous Australians
23:56
Speaker 3: travel to the United Nations Climate Summit in Turkey. The
23:59
Speaker 3: government to put aside six hundred and fifty thousand dollars
24:02
Speaker 3: to pay for travel, accommodation and expenses so that Indigenous
24:06
Speaker 3: people can be there. Joining me now is Institute of
24:10
Speaker 3: Public Affairs Chief Economist Adam Crichton.
24:12
Speaker 1: Adam always love chatting to you.
24:15
Speaker 2: Thank you.
24:16
Speaker 3: I understand why they need the Energy Minister and a
24:19
Speaker 3: battery of bureaucrats at COP thirty one, but why does
24:22
Speaker 3: Australia need aboriginals at the climate conference?
24:25
Speaker 1: Please explain it to me, well.
24:28
Speaker 11: Look sadly, I can't explain it. It's just another reminder
24:31
Speaker 11: of the total contempt the federal government has for taxpayers money.
24:34
Speaker 11: This is a government that's running a budget deficit of
24:36
Speaker 11: thirty billion dollars. Are the headline deficit sixty billion dollars,
24:40
Speaker 11: But here's another six hundred and fifty thousand dollars to
24:42
Speaker 11: throw on the bonfire. And it's worth pointing out the
24:45
Speaker 11: whole jamboree, the whole expedition to Turkey, is one hundred
24:49
Speaker 11: and fifty million dollars of taxpayers money to support Chris Bowen.
24:52
Speaker 11: And I really don't know what a what Australian taxpayers
24:55
Speaker 11: are getting out of this. Absolutely nothing, I would say.
24:57
Speaker 11: I mean the net zero targets. The government. Government is
25:00
Speaker 11: already spending twelve billion dollars a year on various net
25:03
Speaker 11: zero initiatives, and from that we just get more expensive
25:06
Speaker 11: power all the time.
25:08
Speaker 12: You know.
25:08
Speaker 11: The sad fact is Australia once had the cheapest electricity
25:10
Speaker 11: in the world and now it's amongst the most expensive.
25:13
Speaker 11: So look, this six hundred and fifty thousand dollars is shameful.
25:16
Speaker 11: I think that it's an insult to Australia's Aboriginal people,
25:21
Speaker 11: you know, and I really don't know what they could
25:23
Speaker 11: possibly add.
25:25
Speaker 3: Can I just ask you something on that, because I
25:27
Speaker 3: thought you were about to say I think it's an
25:28
Speaker 3: insult to non indigenous people, which it most certainly is.
25:32
Speaker 3: But you said it's an insult to Indigenous people. Why
25:35
Speaker 3: do you say that?
25:37
Speaker 11: Well, but it's so tokenistic, it's you know, it basically
25:40
Speaker 11: basically implies that, you know that they need more handouts,
25:43
Speaker 11: they need a leg up all of the time from
25:45
Speaker 11: the government. You know, it just basically perpetuates this idea
25:48
Speaker 11: that they always need help.
25:49
Speaker 1: I think it's insulting.
25:50
Speaker 11: And you know, a fair bet to me is it
25:52
Speaker 11: wouldn't be the Indigenous Australians from you know, from the
25:56
Speaker 11: outback communities who do live in terrible circumstances who would
25:59
Speaker 11: be flying business class to Turkey. It's probably the city
26:02
Speaker 11: based ones who don't need any help.
26:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, very good point.
26:06
Speaker 3: All right, Let's go to some new Institute of Public
26:08
Speaker 3: Affairs research that's found only forty six percent of migrants
26:12
Speaker 3: approved under the government's skilled Migration program actually meet the
26:16
Speaker 3: Department of Home Affairs definition of skilled. The rest are
26:20
Speaker 3: typically family members or other dependents of skilled migrants. This
26:25
Speaker 3: shows that Labour's migration program is just flat out failing,
26:29
Speaker 3: doesn't it.
26:30
Speaker 1: Well, look, I think.
26:31
Speaker 11: It's worse than that. I think it shows it's a
26:33
Speaker 11: complete fraud on the Australian people and it has been
26:35
Speaker 11: for a very long time. So basically, we give about
26:38
Speaker 11: one hundred and eighty thousand permanent visas every year and
26:41
Speaker 11: two thirds of those are supposedly skilled. But it turns
26:45
Speaker 11: out the less than half of those two thirds are
26:47
Speaker 11: actually skilled. The rest are just family members of the
26:50
Speaker 11: skilled supposedly, And so when you look at the whole program,
26:53
Speaker 11: only one third of those one hundred and eighty thousand
26:55
Speaker 11: people are actually skilled. The rest of the people coming
26:58
Speaker 11: into the country are basically family and probably not skilled.
27:02
Speaker 1: And actually, might i add it wasn't in the.
27:03
Speaker 11: Paper, but a fair chunk of those sixty thousand supposedly
27:07
Speaker 11: skilled immigrants so not even working in the fields that
27:09
Speaker 11: they are accepted to come into the country for. So
27:12
Speaker 11: the whole program is a farce. Really, it needs a
27:14
Speaker 11: major reset, a major overhaul. And as we can see
27:17
Speaker 11: from the aggregate statistics, living standards in Australia had been falling.
27:21
Speaker 11: And this is partly because largely because I would say,
27:24
Speaker 11: of this massive mass immigration, what.
27:26
Speaker 3: Really annoys me is the government accuse, you know, people
27:29
Speaker 3: like Pauling Hanson of creating anger against migrants. But what
27:33
Speaker 3: creates anger against migrants? And I'm not saying there's any
27:36
Speaker 3: justification for it, but I do understand people getting angry
27:40
Speaker 3: when they're told one thing about migration and yet with
27:43
Speaker 3: their own eyes they're seeing something completely different, and then
27:47
Speaker 3: the government gaslights them for being angry about it. It
27:50
Speaker 3: just you're quite right, it's a fraud against the Australian
27:53
Speaker 3: people by our elected representatives. Just before I let you go,
27:58
Speaker 3: a new report shows Australians it's one of the sharpest
28:01
Speaker 3: drops in living standards in the developed world since COVID.
28:05
Speaker 3: The OECD's Annual Employment Outlook shows real wages of Australians
28:09
Speaker 3: have fallen by five point one percent since March twenty
28:12
Speaker 3: twenty one. And here's the you know, the bit that
28:17
Speaker 3: really gets people upset. While our living standards have plummeted,
28:21
Speaker 3: workers in OECD member countries outside of Australia experience to
28:24
Speaker 3: five percent lift in living standards.
28:28
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, look, this is very embarrassing.
28:30
Speaker 11: It actually goes to the topic we just discussed about
28:32
Speaker 11: mass immigration. We have massively falling per capita GDP in Australia.
28:37
Speaker 1: We have high inflation.
28:38
Speaker 11: We also have other equal highest core inflation rate in
28:41
Speaker 11: the developed world, so this is extremely embarrassing as well.
28:44
Speaker 11: I just think of all those people out there on
28:46
Speaker 11: sixty seventy eighty thousand dollars a year, and four percent
28:49
Speaker 11: every year of their purchasing power is just falling away
28:52
Speaker 11: because of the government, because of the deficits. This is
28:54
Speaker 11: the endless money printing. It's you know, it's a really
28:57
Speaker 11: shameful state of affairs. This is not where we should be.
29:00
Speaker 11: We shouldn't have these statistics and we really need to
29:02
Speaker 11: change things drastically. Sadly, the most recent budget from the
29:05
Speaker 11: federal government and the state budgets too, I might add,
29:07
Speaker 11: have not done anything to improve the situation.
29:10
Speaker 3: Adam Crichton, I appreciate you joining me tonight, Thanks so much.
29:13
Speaker 3: Well after the break the latest hurdle facing Chris Bowen's
29:16
Speaker 3: green hydrogen dream plus, the Treasurer faces backlash after approving
29:20
Speaker 3: the sale of Tasmania's largest farm for a carbon scheme.
29:25
Speaker 1: That's next.
29:30
Speaker 3: Well, welcome back to the program. You know, we're spoilt
29:32
Speaker 3: for choice when it comes to examples of government waste,
29:35
Speaker 3: but this one.
29:36
Speaker 1: Well it's a beauty. Energy Minister Chris.
29:38
Speaker 3: Bowen has approved half a billion dollars to help get
29:42
Speaker 3: a green hydrogen plant up and running in Newcastle, but
29:45
Speaker 3: today we learn there's no guarantee the five hundred and
29:48
Speaker 3: fifty million dollar renewable project will lower missions at all.
29:53
Speaker 3: That's a lot of money to achieve zero, not net zero,
29:55
Speaker 3: just plane zero. Joining me now is Shadow Energy Minister
29:59
Speaker 3: Dan t And Dan, thanks for coming on the program.
30:02
Speaker 3: What are your concerns with this project? Do you think
30:05
Speaker 3: taxpayers are getting value for money?
30:07
Speaker 12: Well, it's hard to see that they are, James. Once again,
30:10
Speaker 12: it seems to be just Chris blowout bow and just
30:14
Speaker 12: splashing taxpayers money around to try and achieve his ideological
30:19
Speaker 12: dream of net zero, and he's happy to throw it
30:23
Speaker 12: at projects where he's not even going to lower emissions.
30:28
Speaker 12: You have Snowy Hydro, which the final investment decision was
30:32
Speaker 12: roughly just a little bit below six billion. We estimate
30:35
Speaker 12: now it's probably going to cost twenty six billion after
30:39
Speaker 12: Chris Bowen changed the contract arrangements. We've got his Home
30:43
Speaker 12: Battery scheme which blew out from two billion dollars to
30:47
Speaker 12: eight billion dollars. We've got the Capacity Investment Scheme where
30:51
Speaker 12: there's no transparency, but we know all those renewable projects
30:55
Speaker 12: they're blowing out at an incredible level, and we've got
30:58
Speaker 12: companies wanting to come back from more from the government.
31:02
Speaker 12: So this is just sadly. Chris Bowen, true to form.
31:05
Speaker 12: When it's someone else's money, he's happy to throw it
31:08
Speaker 12: around like there's no tomorrow. And the sad realities it's
31:11
Speaker 12: taxpayers money, and we've got two hundred and forty one
31:15
Speaker 12: thousand people now in this country facing energy hardship.
31:21
Speaker 3: I understand that we'd all be thrilled if green hydrogen
31:24
Speaker 3: actually produced what many believe it can, but there's been
31:28
Speaker 3: scant evidence to this point in Australia that green hydrogen
31:32
Speaker 3: can succeed.
31:35
Speaker 12: Yeah, absolutely right, And the sensible way to do this
31:38
Speaker 12: would have been for them to use blue hydrogen to
31:42
Speaker 12: try and test it. So that's hydrogen either that's using
31:45
Speaker 12: coal or gas to try and produce it as cheaply
31:49
Speaker 12: so possibly can and then see whether you can use it.
31:52
Speaker 12: But of course ideologically driven. They have to go straight
31:55
Speaker 12: to green hydrogen. It's extraordinarily expensive, and now Chris An's
32:00
Speaker 12: happy to splash five hundred and fifty million dollars around
32:04
Speaker 12: on it. It should be very sensible small steps because
32:08
Speaker 12: as we know, about six seven, eight years ago, there
32:12
Speaker 12: was a lot of hope put in hydrogen, but it
32:15
Speaker 12: just hasn't been able to produce it in an economical way.
32:20
Speaker 12: We've now just got to go back to energy abundance,
32:24
Speaker 12: using all the resources we've got, coal, gas, wind, solar
32:30
Speaker 12: where it's sensible to do so. And we should be
32:33
Speaker 12: putting uranium or nuclear on the table, because if it's
32:36
Speaker 12: all right for us to sell uranium to India, why
32:40
Speaker 12: shouldn't we lift the moratorium, And if it's economical, do
32:43
Speaker 12: the same here, especially with data centers and AI about
32:48
Speaker 12: to revolutionize global economies.
32:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely impossible to argue with that.
32:53
Speaker 3: I spoke earlier in the program about proposals being put
32:56
Speaker 3: forward at the upcoming ALP national conference, and.
32:59
Speaker 1: Here's an interesting one.
33:00
Speaker 3: Labor members are reportedly pushing for the government to abandon
33:03
Speaker 3: its support of the RBA using interest rates to keep
33:07
Speaker 3: a lid on inflation. The proposed policy platform says, and
33:11
Speaker 3: I'm quoting here, Labour recognizes that use of interest rate
33:14
Speaker 3: rises to curb inflation is a blunt instrument that hurts
33:18
Speaker 3: workers and vulnerable Australians first and hardest, rather than the
33:22
Speaker 3: asset class, which plays a greater role in rising inflation.
33:26
Speaker 3: And it goes on to say that the Reserve Bank
33:28
Speaker 3: should be quote ensuring that rising interest rates do not
33:31
Speaker 3: hit Australians who can afford them least.
33:35
Speaker 1: Dan, what do you make of that? So it wouldn't.
33:38
Speaker 12: Surprise me if that came from a branch that Jim
33:42
Speaker 12: Chalmers is a member of. Because what we've seen is
33:46
Speaker 12: the government not doing its primary job, and that's to
33:49
Speaker 12: keep it spending down. So we've got a record spending government.
33:55
Speaker 12: We've got a government which as record income tax receipts.
34:00
Speaker 12: Other government has used income tax to whittle away people
34:04
Speaker 12: savings like this government has. We have a government which
34:07
Speaker 12: is the biggest taxer of capital of any industrial country
34:12
Speaker 12: in the world. So what they've got to do is
34:15
Speaker 12: get their spending down, get their tax down, let the
34:18
Speaker 12: RBA do its job with interest rates. Instead, we're seeing
34:22
Speaker 12: it completely done the wrong way by this government. And
34:25
Speaker 12: what what have we seen as a result, the biggest
34:28
Speaker 12: fall in living standards in the industrial in the world
34:32
Speaker 12: in this in the last four years. And not only that,
34:36
Speaker 12: we're seeing the government which is completely hapless at trying
34:40
Speaker 12: to address it. And that's why you've got branches of
34:42
Speaker 12: the ALP now seeking to solely blame the RBA.
34:46
Speaker 3: Well, you mentioned Jim Chalmers, speaking of whom he's approved
34:51
Speaker 3: the sale of Tasmania's largest farm, Rushi Lagoon. It's been
34:55
Speaker 3: sold to a British forest investment company who want to
34:58
Speaker 3: turn it into a tree plantation. Now this is interesting
35:01
Speaker 3: because farming groups have accused the government of turning productive
35:05
Speaker 3: agricultural land into a pine plantation so that a foreign
35:09
Speaker 3: investment fund can use it to meet their carbon abatement goals.
35:12
Speaker 3: They also argue the decision is going to imperil food
35:15
Speaker 3: security in Tasmania. I'm just wondering if you share those concerns,
35:19
Speaker 3: if you think that's a fair criticism.
35:22
Speaker 12: It makes my blood boil what doctor Jim Chalmers has
35:25
Speaker 12: done here, because we've seen the exact same thing happen
35:30
Speaker 12: in my electorate in a town called Simpson, where he
35:34
Speaker 12: approved a foreign company to come in and do exactly
35:38
Speaker 12: the same to prime agricultural and prime dairy and primary
35:42
Speaker 12: beeflan Now we got a petition up and running from
35:46
Speaker 12: that small community. We sent it to Jim Charmers and
35:49
Speaker 12: said this should not be allowed to happen again. Now
35:54
Speaker 12: what has he done. He's ignored that rural community and
35:58
Speaker 12: now he's gone and exactly the same thing to a
36:02
Speaker 12: rural community in northeast Tasmania. It is a bloody disgrace.
36:08
Speaker 12: It's one of the worst things of ideologically driven policy
36:12
Speaker 12: that I have seen. The net zero session by this
36:16
Speaker 12: Albanzy labor government is just hurting farmers. It's hurting industry,
36:22
Speaker 12: it's hurting small business, it's hurting people with their household budgets.
36:28
Speaker 12: And somehow we've got to be able to stop it
36:31
Speaker 12: before it goes too far.
36:33
Speaker 1: Danteine, I appreciate you joining me on the program tonight.
36:36
Speaker 1: Thanks so much, pleasure.
36:39
Speaker 3: All right, we'll stick around after the break. The latest
36:41
Speaker 3: from the Middle East as Donald Trump calls the Iranian
36:43
Speaker 3: regime scum and says the ceasefire is over.
36:47
Speaker 1: That's next. Welcome back to the program.
36:53
Speaker 3: Let's cost in the United Kingdom now, where reform UK
36:55
Speaker 3: lead to Nigel Farage has decided to resign from Parliament
36:58
Speaker 3: amid allegations over his finances, all the while insisting he's
37:02
Speaker 3: done nothing wrong.
37:04
Speaker 1: It's a chance to stick two fingers up to the
37:07
Speaker 1: entire establishment, to frankly tell them where to go.
37:12
Speaker 3: Well, joining me to discuss this and more is Talk
37:14
Speaker 3: TV Weekend editor Phil Dave. Phil Thanks for joining me.
37:18
Speaker 3: Were you surprised by Farage's decision?
37:22
Speaker 13: Well kind of, But now that I've actually had the
37:24
Speaker 13: chance to analyze what he's getting out here, I kind
37:27
Speaker 13: of think actually it makes perfect sense. Look, the truth
37:31
Speaker 13: is that I believe that Nigel Ferras is just playing
37:35
Speaker 13: the game of politics in the way that any other
37:38
Speaker 13: politician would. The difference is what he's doing is he's
37:40
Speaker 13: actually using this opportunity to highlight to the British public
37:44
Speaker 13: what most politicians don't want us to see, and that
37:46
Speaker 13: is just some of the dirty tricks that politicians play.
37:50
Speaker 13: So I believe what Farage is doing here is just saying, look,
37:55
Speaker 13: I've tried to tell you, in no uncertain terms what
37:58
Speaker 13: the establishment is like. Now I kind of have to
38:01
Speaker 13: prove it to you.
38:02
Speaker 3: So for viewers who may not have caught up on
38:04
Speaker 3: the news, just very briefly, what's the play here?
38:08
Speaker 13: Okay, So Nigel Farraj has come under a bit of
38:11
Speaker 13: scrutiny recently because of a donation that he received, which
38:16
Speaker 13: was around five million pounds, and that is from it
38:20
Speaker 13: was a gift from a billionaire businessman friend of his.
38:24
Speaker 13: Now the concern is over the fact that he didn't
38:27
Speaker 13: declare this when he became an MP. Now, technically speaking,
38:30
Speaker 13: still not one hundred percent clear as to whether or
38:32
Speaker 13: not he accepts it before or after he became an MP.
38:34
Speaker 13: He says he's done nothing wrong, but if it was afterwards,
38:36
Speaker 13: he does need to declare it, and one way or another,
38:39
Speaker 13: there's a bit of concern around that. However, I think
38:42
Speaker 13: that if we're picking on someone for receiving a donation here,
38:47
Speaker 13: then there are plenty of other politicians that also received
38:50
Speaker 13: very very questionable donations. It just so happens that this
38:53
Speaker 13: is this classic case of deflection. Then there was also
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Speaker 13: a bit of scrutiny surrounding an individual that he had
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Speaker 13: apparently was befriended, who was up against some sort of
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Speaker 13: criminal charges. So he's just come under fire recently from
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Speaker 13: a lot of other MPs, and so what he's done
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Speaker 13: here is he has said, well, look, if you're going
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Speaker 13: to try to rip me apart to this degree when
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Speaker 13: I know I've done nothing wrong. I've followed all legal
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Speaker 13: advice and I know I'm perfectly innocent here, why not
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Speaker 13: Let's let the voters decide. And this is why he's
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Speaker 13: decided to resign his position as an MP to stand
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Speaker 13: again in his same constituency to see whether or not
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Speaker 13: he gets re elected, basically saying to Parliament or to Westminster, well, look,
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Speaker 13: if I get reelected, well then what's the problem. Clearly
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Speaker 13: the voters still want me.
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Speaker 3: There, So I guess the big question and we won't
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Speaker 3: know until the election is held. But at this point,
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Speaker 3: what's the public response?
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Speaker 13: Being like a bit mixed to be honest, I think
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Speaker 13: there are plenty of people if we certainly, if we
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Speaker 13: go by what people have said on talk, they certainly
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Speaker 13: seem to support what Farage has done. It's been one
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Speaker 13: or two people, certainly who have questioned why he's done this.
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Speaker 13: He was an MP, you know, and focus on being
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Speaker 13: an MP rather than playing the games that others are
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Speaker 13: trying to play with you. So it's a bit of
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Speaker 13: a mixed response. I guess, but polling early indication would
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Speaker 13: certainly suggest he shouldn't have any problem with rewinning that
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Speaker 13: seat if indeed this by election does go ahead. Not
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Speaker 13: east of all, because most of the other main political
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Speaker 13: parties have said this is all a fast as far
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Speaker 13: as they're concerned, and they're not going to even put
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Speaker 13: a candidate forward, So it looks like Farage will be
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Speaker 13: standing against himself or possibly with the exceptional count Binface.
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Speaker 3: Well there you go. I think Farage is a shoeing
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Speaker 3: all right. While all of that is going on, Prince
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Speaker 3: Harry is back in the country and he's taken aim
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Speaker 3: at the judge after losing his privacy case against The
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Speaker 3: Daily Mail. In the joint statement with another claimant, Baroness
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Speaker 3: Doreen Lawrence, Harry has described the ruling as quote a
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Speaker 3: complete and obvious whitewash, but sadly not altogether unexpected. However,
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Speaker 3: the lengths to which the court has gone to exonerate
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Speaker 3: the Mail, he said, is as shocked as it is
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Speaker 3: totally unwarranted. Was Harry expected to win this case or
41:06
Speaker 3: is this the result most people thought would occur And
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Speaker 3: what was the reasoning of the court in ruling the
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Speaker 3: way they did.
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Speaker 13: I think that the vast majority of people are getting
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Speaker 13: a little bit fed up. I'm going to be honest,
41:19
Speaker 13: I thought twice about whether or not I actually sort
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Speaker 13: of say on a professional program such as yours as
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Speaker 13: to what I refer to howr he has. I refer
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Speaker 13: to him as the ginger winer, because the truth is,
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Speaker 13: he just bangs on all the time about how sorry
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Speaker 13: the public should feel for him where you know, don't
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Speaker 13: get me wrong, of course, he's had a very sad
41:36
Speaker 13: upbringing in certain respects. You know, to lose one's mother
41:39
Speaker 13: at such a young age must have been completely horrendous
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Speaker 13: for him, and no one would have anything but sympathy.
41:44
Speaker 13: But it is quite extraordinary how he made such a
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Speaker 13: fuss about moving to America because he was trying to
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Speaker 13: protect the privacy of himself, his wife, and his children.
41:54
Speaker 13: And yet all he seems to have done ever since
41:55
Speaker 13: then is just crave the limelight. So, in terms of
41:59
Speaker 13: this ruling over the Daily Mail and publications accessing information
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Speaker 13: allegedly in a sort of an unruly manner, should we
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Speaker 13: suggest the truth is that I don't really think it's
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Speaker 13: a major surprise that the ruling has come out like
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Speaker 13: this judge basically ruled. It was Judge Matthew Nicklin who
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Speaker 13: said that, basically on the balance of probabilities that the
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Speaker 13: claimant's actually failed to prove the allegations that was being
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Speaker 13: hurled at those who were defending.
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Speaker 1: So it's not really a shock.
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Speaker 13: I think that most legal legals suggested that this probably
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Speaker 13: would be the outcome. But at the same time, you
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Speaker 13: could kind of argue that Harry is basically responsible for
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Speaker 13: his own misfortune. If he wants privacy, stop drawing attention
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Speaker 13: to yourself. It's not rocket science.
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Speaker 3: Is it coincidence that he's in the country for this
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Speaker 3: court result or was that part of his plan? And
42:53
Speaker 3: does it work out for him better that he's there
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Speaker 3: to address it, or would he have been better off
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Speaker 3: just staying right away from this and especially as the
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Speaker 3: losing party.
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Speaker 13: Well, allegedly it's also something to do with in Victor's
43:07
Speaker 13: games as well, So I don't think it's just this
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Speaker 13: that's the reason that he's here. But I would say this,
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Speaker 13: I think that even this moment, he has managed to
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Speaker 13: turn into a publicity stunt for himself, in the sense
43:21
Speaker 13: that now that the ruling has been made, rather than
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Speaker 13: just sort of very quietly keep his nose down whilst
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Speaker 13: he's here in the country, keeping his head down whilst
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Speaker 13: he's in the country, and just carrying on with whatever
43:37
Speaker 13: life he is going to have here whilst he is here. No,
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Speaker 13: he just instead he sort of goes complaining again and
43:42
Speaker 13: kicking off about it. So actually it's this just goes
43:46
Speaker 13: to show that you can't really be an attention seeker
43:49
Speaker 13: who hates attention.
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Speaker 3: Yep, you're absolutely right and professional as we are. I
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Speaker 3: do agree with your ginger winder assistsment other gifts. God on, Phil,
43:59
Speaker 3: thanks for joining me, appreciate it. All right, we're going
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Speaker 3: to go to a break. When we come back, we'll
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Speaker 3: go to Israel to talk about the latest developments in
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Speaker 3: the Middle.
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Speaker 1: East with Iran. That's next. Well.
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Speaker 3: The United States has launched fresh strikes on Iran after
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Speaker 3: commercial ships were attacked in the Strait of Humu's. President
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump had this to say about the ceasefire with
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Speaker 3: Iran while speaking at the NATO summit in Turkey.
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Speaker 10: To me, I think it's over.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to deal with them, and with there's scum.
44:29
Speaker 1: You know what scum is. There'scum, there's sick people.
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Speaker 11: They're led by sick people, and they're vicious, violent people,
44:38
Speaker 11: and if they had a nuclear weapon, they'd use it.
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Speaker 1: As far as I'm concerned, it's.
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Speaker 3: Over joining me Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Sharen Haskell Charen
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Speaker 3: Trump has been determined to negotiate with the Iranian regime.
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Speaker 3: Does he now realize that's a fool's Errand.
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Speaker 14: I think, first of all, President Trump had so much patience.
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Speaker 14: I mean, he really exhausted every path possible to try
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Speaker 14: and negotiate and put a deal on the table through negotiations,
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Speaker 14: you know, through means of diplomacy. But are you surprised,
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Speaker 14: I'm not surprised. Are you surprised that this is the result.
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Speaker 14: And this is not just a you know, a rational
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Speaker 14: leadership or someone you can actually do. This is a
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Speaker 14: fanatical regime, a terrorist regime that have executed and killed
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Speaker 14: tens of thousands of their own children and people, where
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Speaker 14: they all the highest cause is death and destruction. So
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Speaker 14: I can't say I'm surprised by it.
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Speaker 3: Okay, So if you can't negotiate with the Uranians, and
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Speaker 3: I'm totally with you on this one, it seems to
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Speaker 3: me and I might be missing something you.
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Speaker 1: Can correct me. But there's two options.
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Speaker 3: Either you stay in a permanent state of conflict doing
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Speaker 3: just enough to keep them at bay, or you fight
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Speaker 3: a full scale war.
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Speaker 1: And you defeat them. Am I missing an option?
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Speaker 14: Look, the thing is this is not just take a
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Speaker 14: regular thing. This is an ideological regime and then an
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Speaker 14: idea around it. And we know that the two main
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Speaker 14: thing that needs to be taken from such an evil force,
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Speaker 14: from such a radical force, One is the means, which
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Speaker 14: is mainly the money and the funds, and the other
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Speaker 14: one is the positions of powers. Now I can't tell
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Speaker 14: you exactly you know the path plan and the steps
46:23
Speaker 14: that are going to be taken. I can tell you
46:26
Speaker 14: that if President Trump, when he says that he can
46:29
Speaker 14: crush this regime very quickly, I tell you you can
46:33
Speaker 14: really do that. Because what you've seen, or you know
46:36
Speaker 14: the war that was just now, this operation that was
46:39
Speaker 14: just now where Israel took parts as well together with
46:43
Speaker 14: the United States, that was a very small margin of
46:47
Speaker 14: the military capabilities and power of the United States. So
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Speaker 14: when President Trump say he can crush them, he can
46:53
Speaker 14: really put a full scale war. This is on one part.
46:57
Speaker 14: The other one is that this regime truly understands, so render, okay,
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Speaker 14: understanding what they're going to face and send the warning
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Speaker 14: and surrender and the other one. Yes, it is a path,
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Speaker 14: whether there's a capability to dry out the well of
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Speaker 14: money that they actually have and start moving them from
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Speaker 14: positions of power where you see, you know, a lot
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Speaker 14: of attempt and try for the Iranian people to liberate
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Speaker 14: themselves from a regime like that. You see that a
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Speaker 14: lot of military forces and policing forces are not Iranian.
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Speaker 14: They started hiring Afghani in Pakistani.
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Speaker 3: You're quite right. I'm going to have to cut in
47:39
Speaker 3: on you. I'm so sorry, running out of time, but
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Speaker 3: you're quite right. It's going to be very interesting to
47:43
Speaker 3: see the next steps and to see what Donald Trump
47:45
Speaker 3: and his Israeli allies do. I appreciate you joining me,
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Speaker 3: Thanks so much. I'm sorry I had to cut that short,
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Speaker 3: but that's all the time I've got stick around. Coming
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Speaker 3: up right now is Paul Murray.
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Speaker 1: Good Night.