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Episode 137: Revisiting "From A Certain Point of View: The Empire Strikes Back" Short Stories · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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  Hello there. Control your insolence and
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  concentrate. It's time for most things
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  Kenobi. Hi everyone.
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  Welcome to another episode of Most Things Kenobi, a podcast
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  about Obi Wan Kenobi and all things Star Wars.
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  I'm your host, Lauren. And I'm your host Leanne.
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  And this week we're doing some more book reviews.
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  We're diving back into, from a certain point of view, Empire
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  Strikes Back Edition, and we're going to talk about two more
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  short stories. One is very short.
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  Very short, it was only like 6 minutes.
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  Long, yeah. And we're just going to dive
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  back into some some stuff. I just want to say also, I have
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  my heater going, my dishwasher going and my sump pump going off
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  constantly because it's so wet here.
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  So sorry for all the background noise.
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  I know it's going to be, it's going to be there so.
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  There's an odd comfort to your the pump that goes off all night
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  when I sleep in your house. It's it was concerning when I
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  first stayed with you. And then I realized what it was
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  and I was like, oh, OK, that's fine.
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  It's normal. I totally forgot that it's under
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  this room and when you came and stayed we had the rainstorm and
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  it was just going all night. I'm.
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  Sorry. Now it's oddly comforting.
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  It's like, oh, I'm at Lauren's place.
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  We have. We had like 3 feet of snow and
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  then torrential rain and it's been raining misting for like a
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  week now. So all that snow is just a it's
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  like a swimming pool in the backyard.
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  That's gross. So yeah, the sump pump is just
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  pumping it out so that it can come back into the crawl space
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  and pump it out. It's just a it's going to be
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  here till spring. So it's mud season here.
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  It is, yeah. It's.
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  Getting there came early this year.
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  We're still frozen. We're still frozen.
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  But mud season is coming. Yeah, part one.
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  Part. Part.
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  Two. All right.
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  Well, the first of the two stories, This probably isn't
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  going to be a very long episode, not as long as our other ones,
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  but that's OK. Yeah.
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  We we go as we go as the topic dictates.
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  True. But like Lauren said, the second
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  story was like 6 minutes long so.
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  We'll speed through that one pretty quick.
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  Yeah. Thank you again to our friend
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  Kenobi Wolf for suggesting these stories and providing us with
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  this audio book. We've we've really enjoyed
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  coming back to it over and over. It's been fun to kind of dive
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  into short stories as opposed to a long novel, because you and I
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  just don't have time for that. No.
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  And these are easy to digest no matter what they are.
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  So it's it's kind of neat. I'll tell you what the first one
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  that we're talking about is titled.
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  But what Does he eat? And they mentioned one of my
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  favorite Star Wars locations. Did you catch it?
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  Which one? Kuat.
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  Oh, Kuat. Yes.
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  Yeah. I was like, Oh my God, it's like
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  my random obscure, like shipping dock, Planet Ring place that I
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  oddly like in the Galaxy of Star Wars.
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  And there was mentioned. Yeah, I thought of you as soon
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  as I as soon as I heard it. I thought that was really.
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  That was a great reference. So this one is on cloud city
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  that's been. Yes.
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  And I didn't quite know where it was going.
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  And I will say that this was not my favorite short story.
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  I agree. Mostly because I didn't like the
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  tone of the woman's voice narrating nothing against her,
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  but it made the character seem really off putting.
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  It just seemed really bitchy. Yeah, yeah.
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  And I thought it was going to kind of like stop being that way
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  and it didn't. I mean, OK, so So what it is, is
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  it's the point of view of a cook or the the head chef?
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  Like celebrity chef. Yes, like Galaxy Renown.
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  So maybe she's bitchy. She's bitchy because she's like
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  the female Gordon Ramsay, right? That's the.
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  Yeah, yeah, I was thinking it's below her.
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  Everything was below her. And don't you dare wake me up
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  before my alarm. And we negotiated my hours,
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  bitch, if I could negotiate my hours, I might also be a bitch.
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  But I'm a bitch because I can't negotiate my hours.
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  So it's a lose lose anyway. Anyhow, she kicked a Droid.
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  And that's when I was like, OK, I don't like this woman.
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  Not the droid's fault anyway. I'm not building the story up
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  very well. So she's a celebrity chef that
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  works for Lando, basically, and she gets called in earlier than
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  she would like, even though it's probably the middle of the day.
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  And he asks her to quote, make refreshments for some guests
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  that he's trying to kind of not impress but like just.
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  They're trying to keep up appearances.
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  He's afraid because we come to learn.
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  And we pretty much deduced early on that it's the banquet room
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  where Vader is waiting when Han and Leia and everybody show up.
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  Yeah. Yeah, so.
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  But she doesn't know that. Oh, she she doesn't.
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  I also I found this interesting. I had to look it up.
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  So she's a Devaronian. Yes.
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  And those are the characters that have like the.
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  They're like the devil horns. They have the.
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  Oh really? Yeah, 'cause I was like, oh, I I
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  don't immediately place like her species.
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  So I looked it up. I'm like, oh, you want that in
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  the kitchen? So then I typed in female
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  Deveronian. You want that in the kitchen?
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  It's just like why they can hang like their washcloth, like their
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  damp rag, you know, they always have like a rag over their
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  shoulder. Yeah, yeah, put it.
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  On one of the horns. But if you look up female
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  Deveronians, they don't have those, so.
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  They just have like if they describe it as having like skull
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  bumps basically. So I don't know if they get them
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  sawed down, I don't know. Or if it's like female deer,
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  Deer have they they they have little bumps, but they don't
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  turn into horns. Yeah, when the the sous chef is
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  also the sous chef is an Argonaut, which Speaking of you
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  want that in your kitchen. Do you want that in your
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  kitchen? Although I I did have a soft
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  spot for the sous chef because we come to find out that the
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  sous chef has the idea to poison everybody.
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  Yes. So my big complaint with the
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  story is they spend all this time on stuff that's not
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  necessary and not enough time on the substance of the story,
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  which is this murder plot. Yes, yes.
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  Which I was listening and just kind of like ma'am.
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  And then they said that and I was like, well, now you have my
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  attention. It made me think of the scene in
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  Beth Revis's book about Jin. God, we are so tired.
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  Yes, this is a mess already. You know that one about Jin?
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  Yes, In Rebel Rising, where she's in the cell and her cell
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  mate wants to plot to get away. And they can't.
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  They just simply can't. So she, like, does the ultimate
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  escape and throws herself off a Cliff.
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  So I was thinking there's no way out for the for the There is no
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  good ending here and it is probably a good thing they
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  didn't decide to put poison in any of the food because like
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  there were some rebels there, you know, So if they ate
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  anything, right, they'd have gotten the whole crew.
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  You've read my my mind. That's my exact thought as well.
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  First of all, when have we ever seen Stormtroopers take off
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  their helmets for refreshments? Like never.
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  It's true. Like the whole.
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  That's why I find, like, the whole premise not strong enough.
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  I don't know, like, why would Lando want that?
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  I guess to give up appearances. Wouldn't Vader be like, get this
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  shit out of here? Like I didn't ask for
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  refreshments I can't eat. Yeah, I would have just had like
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  plastic fruit in a bowl, you know, that you put out circa
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  1986, like the fake fruit. Yes.
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  Remember those like gelatinous, squishy plastics?
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  I do. I feel like they were in every
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  furniture store you'd go in. Yeah.
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  Model homes. Yes, yes, yes.
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  The height of luxury, but also when Vader invites Han and Leia
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  into the dining room like he doesn't mean to actually eat.
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  No, they're not. It's just a joke.
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  It's a. It's like.
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  A way to trap them. So she's dealing with meringue
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  and all. There were a lot of planetary
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  ingredients and I couldn't picture any of them because I
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  didn't know what any of them were and I didn't feel like
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  looking them up. There is a whole repository of
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  different planetary foods on Wikipedia.
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  I've looked it up. Is there?
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  I've never looked at that. Drinks and food, anything that
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  was mentioned in comics, seen on film, seen on screen, anything,
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  it's it's just amazing. So I thought it was kind of cool
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  that they like, pulled from their brains or from a list or
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  just made shit up and that made the list.
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  I have no idea. But like, it was an extensive
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  list and it they lost me, 'cause I couldn't picture it.
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  Part of the story is picturing it.
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  Yeah, I do. Like I said, they I think they
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  spent all this time on these details that don't matter.
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  On her being a complete Dick. Absolutely.
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  Like. Like it did that one anything to
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  the story. No, I guess like, OK, so chefs,
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  like head chefs have a reputation for being, like very
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  firm in their beliefs that their decisions are the right.
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  Decisions. Sure, yes.
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  And they run their kitchen, you know, like a dictatorship.
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  And I get that. I have a relative who used to
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  work as a cook. And yes.
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  Well, I just remember Anthony Bourdain's book.
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  I read Anthony Bourdain's book and it sounded just like this.
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  Yeah, so at least I get. It heck, you're right.
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  But like the interesting part is the part where did I not suggest
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  the sous chef suggest that they poison Vader?
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  They could kill Vader with one taste of food.
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  And the chef is like what if they make us taste it before
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  they eat it? Yeah, that's a that was an old
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  thing to do. Yeah, for sure.
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  And then they think they just they just went back to making
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  regular food and that was the end of the.
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  Story Did anybody eat any of it? No, it was probably just sat
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  there. Yeah, No.
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  So it was the thing I found most interesting was the reference to
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  Deveron, honestly, because she talks about a temple there.
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  So I looked it up. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  And it there was the Jedi Temple there, which I forgot.
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  We actually do see it in Clone Wars for like 18 tiny second.
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  It's where Savage of Press goes there and kills the Jedi Master
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  and the Padawan that are there. Oh.
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  Yeah, and they. They take control of the that
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  temple and I guess it's built on like a force verse urgence or
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  something like it. Like how the Jedi temple was
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  built on this, this passionate Sith versions.
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  I don't. Know Yes.
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  So they. This one was built on like a
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  force, like a not a Sith, you know, crematorium or whatever it
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  was, but it was there for a long time.
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  And then Savagio Press captured it during Clone Wars, and then
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  the Empire bombed it during the reign of the Empire.
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  So it is ruins that Luke Skywalker went to visit.
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  That's cool. I think it was.
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  I know he went there twice, and one time I can't remember if it
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  was before Empire Strikes Back, but he went back after Return to
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  the Jedi and like trained in the ruins and like felt the Force
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  and all of that stuff. So I don't know if that's from a
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  book or a comic or something, but it was on Wikipedia and I
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  thought that was kind of cool. So I got.
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  To like I love a good Jedi temple.
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  Me. Too.
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  I love the one in Lathal from Rebels.
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  That one was cool. So cool.
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  The cone that twists reveal the door.
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  Yes, that was awesome. That was cool.
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  Yep. The more I see of them, the the
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  the better and better they get. I think they're really cool.
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  Yeah, 'cause they're like kind of scary.
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  Sometimes you can go in and have these crazy visions, 'cause
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  they're built on like an energy field usually.
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  I wonder who sensed the energy fields?
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  Like could Jedi just sense them and they're like, you know what,
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  right here, this is it. So I guess the question that
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  begs to be answered is what does Vader eat?
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  Does she even ask the question? I was waiting for like the title
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  to be spoken and I don't think the exact words even happen?
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  Or did I miss it? I'm not sure.
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  Honestly, I would say I I think so, but I'm not positive.
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  Now I'd have to go back and re listen.
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  Well, honestly, I don't think Vader eats at all.
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  I think he either gets tube fed when he's in the gel.
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  What's that stuff called? Oh, the bacter.
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  The Bacter, he's either got a tube hooked up and or they do
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  those little nutrient bars or something.
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  Maybe he has. Maybe he has an aromatherapy
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  pot. No, that would gunk up his his
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  respirator. So I think he just feeds off
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  anger. Yeah, well, he probably, I mean,
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  they could do like injections with nutrients.
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  Oh, that's true. You know, I don't imagine he can
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  eat very easily. No, no, that would.
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  Oh, that's terrible actually. But also like he wouldn't take
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  his helmet off in front of people to eat.
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  So this whole idea of putting refreshments out in front of
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  Darth Vader, like putting a thing in front of an evil person
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  that they cannot have, would just make them angrier.
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  That's provoking, yes. Yeah, exactly.
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  I know. It's all about like the service
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  aspect, like their guests. And Lando's got a knife up to
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  his neck literally throughout this.
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  I mean, not literally, but figuratively throughout this
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  entire thing. And he just wants it to.
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  He wants to come off as Lando comes off.
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  Lavish. Right.
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  Well, to do put together, he's got his shit together.
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  Don't. Don't come crawling and looking
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  through the books. Vader.
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  While you're here, pay attention to the meringue.
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  You know, stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So.
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  But I don't think Vader eats, which is really sad 'cause he
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  brought Padme a cake once and now he can't have his cake or
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  eat it too. This little space pizza box that
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  he brought. Out.
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  I love that. All right.
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  Well, shall we move on to the next story?
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  Yeah, please, because I don't have a fucking clue what went on
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  in this story. None.
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  I was confused from. I still don't know what it was
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  about. I'm just going to be completely
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  honest. So it's the last story in the
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  whole book called The Wills Strike Back and I think it was
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  read by Jonathan Davies and Mark Thompson who are who, you know,
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  veteran Star Wars narrators. And Jonathan Davies was the
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  Wills. I think they were both Wills,
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  but he was like, you know how the crawl, the like, the whole
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  stories are supposedly the Wills documentary documenting what
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  happened. I guess I still think it's R2D2.
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  Yeah, in my head, Canon. I kind of am just sticking with
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  that idea anyway, because like, why the fuck would the Wills
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  write everything down? They're like, they don't.
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  They're not like corporeal. I don't understand.
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  No, no, right. They don't write, they just
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  float around. They float and retain things,
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  speak in riddles. I.
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  Don't. They are the repository.
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  They're not writing anyway. I think they're basically just
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  making fun of the crawl at the beginning of the movies because
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  they switched tone like they switched tents.
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  And this guy, this writer Tom Engelberger has written, he's
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  like a a, not even young adult. He's like younger kids than
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  that, an author for that. He's like a child writer and he
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  wrote like the origami books. Have you seen those the Star
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  Wars like origami, Yoda, Origami, Vader, whatever they
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  are. So this last story is written
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  like that. It's like like 4 kids it's
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  childish on. Is that why?
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  OK, I missed all of that. Yeah, I didn't know he was that
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  writer until I looked it up specifically like, who is this
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  guy? But it made sense once I I saw
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  that I was like, ah, this tracks now because those books, I read
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  them to my cousins when they were little kids, they were like
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  4. And they were not entertaining
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  for an adult, but they were very entertaining to the kids.
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  And that's kind of how I felt about this story.
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  I spent the entire thing so confused.
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  I get they were talking about the squirrel, but I love the
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  scrolls. They're iconic.
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  I don't. I do too.
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  And he made fun of Luke, which I'm never really.
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  I'm not a fan. Nope.
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  Stay out of our camp. Like no thank you, but why was
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  it at the end? Instead of at the beginning.
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  Yeah, the beginning would have made way more sense, right?
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  Because the scroll starts at the beginning, it could have set up,
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  I don't know. Who wants to start a book like
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  this? I don't know who would want to
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  end a book like this. This was terrible.
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  I I think it's terrible. I'm just trying not to mince
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  words. It's terrible.
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  But like, yeah, I don't know. I I just and like some of the
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  references were really funny once you looked them up.
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  Like if you know them. He was talking about Willrow
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  Hood and how like you just see him run by in the background.
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  That's the guy carrying the ice cream.
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  Machine. Oh, that's great.
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  City, Yeah, stupid. I have never know to go look
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  this shit up or know it offhand. Right.
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  It's just it's it's like a deep that's deep trivia.
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  Crap, I failed. Well, 'cause people know that
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  guy that, but I didn't. I didn't know his name.
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  I know the guy and I know the ice cream maker.
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  Exactly. That's all I know.
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  So yeah, I mean, there's they were talking about how there was
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  time to show Yoda making his root leaf Stew, but not some of
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  the, like, more important plot stuff like the bounty hunter on
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  ornamental, which, OK, so like, if you're a superstar wars nerd,
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  like, you know, that was a short story that they wrote in the
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  70s. And Corey Burton actually was
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  the voice of Luke Skywalker in that audio book, like back in in
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  the 80s. So the story has been told.
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  So I don't know. I was just like, this is just
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  unnecessary. All of this complaining.
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  It's just totally unnecessary. I did appreciate the actors
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  doing their best. Oh, sure.
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  Yeah. I mean, yeah, I didn't get any
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  of it. Did you laugh at the Star Trek
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  reference though? I I.
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  Did catch that one. I did catch that one.
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  I did. I don't know if I laughed, but I
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  didn't catch that one because I again, I was on a 10 second
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  delay, just trying to keep up because when you don't know what
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  I don't understand something. I'm trying to figure it out as
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  the story or something is continuing and so I miss bits,
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  yeah, but I did not miss the Star Trek reference.
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  I just enjoyed his Captain Kirk impression that made me.
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  Oh yeah, That was, yeah. So that's all I have to say.
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  That's it. Those were the two stories this
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  round. Like, like we said, they were
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  short. Yeah, they they didn't have a
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  lot of depth, which is fine, 'cause you.
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  They don't have to be deep every time.
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  We appreciate depth, but these are definitely different than
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  the other ones we've done. But it just shows you the the
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  varied amounts of storytelling that can take place from
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  different points of view, I guess, even if you don't
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  understand what the hell they're talking about.
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  Well, and I also appreciate that there are some people who really
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  like it when the a sci-fi writer takes time to talk about the
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  food and the environment and all the stuff around.
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  I'm not one of those people. I prefer you to get to the
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  story, but I know there are people who love that, so I'm
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  sure they're trying to cater to all kinds of taste.
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  You know what popped up in my mind was eating at the
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  restaurant that was on the Star the Star Cruiser, because they
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  really put a lot of attention to detail and it was really good
• 23:01
  flavored like well put together flavors on the Star Cruiser.
• 23:06
  For for all that can be said about the stay at the Star
• 23:09
  Cruiser, the food was fantastic, you know, 8 out of 10 overall.
• 23:14
  And they really did try to make it look from a different Galaxy.
• 23:20
  And each planet had its own obvious detail to it, like its
• 23:25
  own unique thing. And that's cool.
• 23:28
  That story about the chef and her talking about the different
• 23:32
  ingredients and putting them together and this, that and the
• 23:34
  other, it totally took me back to the star cruiser because it
• 23:36
  just reminded me of like the different stuff they had set out
• 23:39
  and that were brought out to us. And it was, you know, it was
• 23:42
  cool. It harkened me back to that.
• 23:44
  It made me wonder if any of that was referencing either
• 23:49
  referencing the star cruiser or food that's at Disney.
• 23:52
  Or oh, totally. Vice versa where because the
• 23:56
  story exists now, they take that into the star cruiser and make
• 23:59
  food based on something that somebody wrote already.
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  So. But nobody mentioned Cyril's
• 24:05
  cereal. And does that exist yet?
• 24:12
  Because it needs to be a thing. I I was just.
• 24:17
  I was in Batu in October for my 40th birthday trip and I didn't
• 24:23
  see any of Cyril's cereal, so maybe it's still.
• 24:27
  Coming and like Andor also brought us CAF like in a movie,
• 24:33
  in a show like coffee is a thing now, so sell that also.
• 24:39
  They had it on the star cruiser and it was called CAF, so I
• 24:41
  really appreciated that, yes. That's good.
• 24:43
  Yes, it was good. I think it's funny that they
• 24:48
  called TT but they had to change coffee to calf.
• 24:52
  I don't. Yeah, I don't it.
• 24:56
  Yep. Star Wars.
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  Star Wars. Join us back here.
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• 25:10
  short stories to the music of Star Wars.
• 25:13
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• 25:16
  not three of our favorite musical score pieces throughout
• 25:23
  all of Star Wars media, all movies, all animations, all
• 25:27
  everything. And we're going to talk about
• 25:29
  the scenes that they're in, a little background on the the
• 25:32
  music making perhaps, and why we love it so much.
• 25:35
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• 25:41
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• 25:43
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