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Plumber discovers human flesh of teen girl in bathroom pipes · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: A man calls a plumber, and for the rest of
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Speaker 1: the world, that's no big deal, except maybe a really
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Speaker 1: big bill. But in our world, when sinks commoes get
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Speaker 1: clawed up, we immediately think dead body. So welcome to
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Speaker 1: our world. Eremiah Wildebor, a plumber called to the apartment,
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Speaker 1: described Strong's basement in disarray. Wildebor was to snake the
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Speaker 1: drains after complaints from upstairs tenants. The plumber, who started
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Speaker 1: his work in Strong's basement apartment said the accused was
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Speaker 1: quote annoyingly hovering over him in his colleague making little progress.
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Speaker 1: The plumbers then decided to try and remove the blockage
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Speaker 1: from the upstairs bathroom. Wildebor said that's when the pair
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Speaker 1: found the blockage. He said, quote, we were more in denial.
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Speaker 1: I hunt, so I started recognizing the build up coming out.
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Speaker 1: Strong watched as they recovered the contents. Wildebor said, Strong commented,
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Speaker 1: quote that's so gross. What is that? And kept asking
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Speaker 1: how it got there. Buldebor testified the substance was so
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Speaker 1: concerning he texted his boss, who told the men not
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Speaker 1: to see anything and pack up their tools. The plumbers
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Speaker 1: then notified police, don't say anything, pack up your tools
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Speaker 1: and leave. That is what the plumber was told, and
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Speaker 1: that is what the plumber did. You were just hearing
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Speaker 1: our friend Brittany Rosen with Global News. Can you imagine
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Speaker 1: the plumber getting a call just thinks he's doing an
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Speaker 1: ordinary snake job cleaning out a drain. And for anybody
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Speaker 1: that's lived in New York, you learn how to snake
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Speaker 1: a commode because you don't know when a plumber is
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Speaker 1: ever going to get there, and then they will charge
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Speaker 1: you an arm and a leg once they do get there.
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Speaker 1: Nobody like cleaning out the commode, Nobody likes plunging it,
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Speaker 1: nobody likes snaking it. But what this plumber found was
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Speaker 1: all together a different nightmare. Again. I'm Nancy Grace. I
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Speaker 1: want to thank you for being with us. Let me
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Speaker 1: introduce to you at all Start Panel to weigh in
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Speaker 1: on a very very disturbing case with me. Ashley Wilcot, judge,
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Speaker 1: trial lawyer, anchor, court TV, wife and mom at Ashley
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Speaker 1: Wilcot dot com. Karen Stark, renowned New York psychologists, longtime
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Speaker 1: a friend of our program. You can find her at
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Speaker 1: Karen Stark That's Karen w A See Karen Stark dot com.
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Speaker 1: She's joining us today from Manhattan. Professor forensics Jacksonville State University,
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Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and star
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Speaker 1: of a brand new show, Poisonous Liaisons on the True
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Speaker 1: Crime Network. Joseph Scott Morgan also with me Crime Online
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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter Dave Mac. So, Dave mac when
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Speaker 1: Jeremiah Wildebor goes to the scene, it's an apartment Is
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Speaker 1: it an apartment complex or is it a What is
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Speaker 1: the structure, Nancy? It's a house that has two apartments
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Speaker 1: in at one on the main level of the house
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Speaker 1: and then another apartment in the basement. Got you kind of?
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Speaker 1: I was thinking duplex, but this is stacked on top
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Speaker 1: of each other. Got you. So it's not like an
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Speaker 1: apartment complex where they typically will have a maintenance person
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Speaker 1: or a plumber on the scene. So, guys, this plumber,
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Speaker 1: Jeremiah Wildebor shows up Justice Naked Rain and you hear
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Speaker 1: him talk about what they are pulling up. Okay, hold
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Speaker 1: on just a moment. Maybe we should hear it from
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Speaker 1: the horse's mouth. Take a listen to part of the
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Speaker 1: nine one one call from that poor plumber communications. Oh there,
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Speaker 1: how are you good? Good? Thanks. Just I'm a plumber
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Speaker 1: and I'm on site for a job, and we've thought
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Speaker 1: we're staking a dreading and we were. We've been pulling back.
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Speaker 1: We probably pulled back about ten pounds fifteen pounds of
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Speaker 1: like it looked like flesh type of stuff. Plumbers hired
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Speaker 1: to unclub the drains by main floor tenants were so
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Speaker 1: concerned they called police and we started to stake. And
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Speaker 1: we've been working at it for like three to four hours. Now.
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Speaker 1: All right, okay, we can't get it clear, but we
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Speaker 1: keep pulling back chunks of you know, whatever the hell
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Speaker 1: it is. You're hearing our friend Catherine McDonald at Global
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Speaker 1: News and a nine one one call from that plumber
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Speaker 1: you know here and start in New York psychologists joining
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Speaker 1: us from Manhattan right now. He sounded pretty calm. I
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Speaker 1: guess he didn't really know what he was snaking up
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Speaker 1: out of that drain. I think also he might have
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Speaker 1: been hesitant to say that, you know, how to be
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Speaker 1: as inoffensive it was. He might be a little bit
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Speaker 1: Nantiam Shock and you're pulling up horrific stuff that it
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Speaker 1: seems like he would used to sing, but he couldn't
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Speaker 1: put it in that context. So he sends to me
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Speaker 1: like he's not sure what's happening. You know what you
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Speaker 1: just said? Something really important actually will caught with me.
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Speaker 1: Judge Trial Law, your anchor Court TV. I've seen very
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Speaker 1: often with witnesses they see or they hear something, but
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Speaker 1: it's so out of context they don't really know what
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Speaker 1: they're seeing. And I think what Karen Starton just said
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Speaker 1: may have hit it on the head. You know it,
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Speaker 1: but you're not letting yourself know it because it's so
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Speaker 1: out of context. Absolutely, can you imagine? So I just
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Speaker 1: heard them say ten to fifteen pounds of meat? What
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Speaker 1: out of a toilet? Like that doesn't make sense? Who
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Speaker 1: would blush down meat they were trying to eat for
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Speaker 1: dinner in that amount? What is it? It doesn't make sense?
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Speaker 1: And so frequently, and I got to be honest, those
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Speaker 1: the best kinds of witnesses for me from my perspective
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Speaker 1: trying cases is because it is so out of the ordinary,
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Speaker 1: they tend to remember every detail because they can remember
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Speaker 1: how it smells or how it looks because it's not
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Speaker 1: something they typically see. Guys, you just heard part of
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Speaker 1: the nine one one call from the plumber who goes
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Speaker 1: to the scene and everybody has had to plunge a mode, snake,
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Speaker 1: a drain. It just comes with age. But you don't
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Speaker 1: expect to Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University,
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Speaker 1: you don't expect to pull up fifteen pounds of meat.
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Speaker 1: So my question to you is what would it look like?
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Speaker 1: Because you know, we were just talking to Ashley Wilcot.
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Speaker 1: When you cook something, let's just say you're cooking ground beef,
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Speaker 1: or your cooking turkey or chicken or fish. I just
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Speaker 1: don't see how it would look like that. No, it's
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Speaker 1: not necessarily going to look that way. And let me
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Speaker 1: put this in context, Nancy, for folks at home, you know,
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Speaker 1: because this is the way the plumber is viewing it,
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Speaker 1: all right. He's not he's not thinking that this is something,
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Speaker 1: you know. He's having to view the abnormal in context
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Speaker 1: of the normal to his world. Imagine, if you will,
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Speaker 1: he said, fifteen pounds. Imagine if you will, if you
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Speaker 1: had maybe five five pot roast. Okay, that's what we're
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Speaker 1: talking about, essentially small pot roast. And these things are
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Speaker 1: being cut down and trimmed down in order to fit
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Speaker 1: down into the toilet to flush it that gives that
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Speaker 1: gives our viewers some kind of frame of reference here.
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Speaker 1: And when you take this stuff out after it's been
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Speaker 1: in there for a while and it's been compressed and
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Speaker 1: compiled and kind of stratified in there with everything else
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Speaker 1: that's going down this toilet line, it's foul. Uh. This
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Speaker 1: meat will be decomposed, it will have kind of a
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Speaker 1: black to deep brown texture to it. And what's really
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Speaker 1: interesting is not just the tissue itself. There's going to
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Speaker 1: be different types of tissue, Nancy, because you're going to
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Speaker 1: have what appears to be maybe like muscle, and you
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Speaker 1: might also have what appears to be hair or skin.
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Speaker 1: You know what I need to remind myself whenever I
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Speaker 1: ask Joseph Scott Morgan a question, I am going to
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Speaker 1: get t am I. But you know what, that's exactly
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Speaker 1: what's needed in cases like that, because most people, this
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Speaker 1: is something so extraordinary out of the norm for them,
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Speaker 1: it's hard to wrap your mind around it. Climb stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Guys, we're talking about a mile mannered
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Speaker 1: plumber that goes on a call to snake and drain
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Speaker 1: and finds anything but a hairclog. Let's I can Listen
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Speaker 1: again to our cut eighteen. Listen to the plumber communications.
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Speaker 1: Hi there, how are you good? Good? Thanks? Just I'm
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Speaker 1: a plumber and I'm on site for a job and
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Speaker 1: we've got we're staking a dreading and we were we've
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Speaker 1: been pulling back. We probably pulled back about ten pounds
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Speaker 1: fifteen pounds of like it looked like flesh type of stuff.
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Speaker 1: Plumbers hired to unclub the dreams by main floor tenants
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Speaker 1: were so concerned they called police. We started to steak
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Speaker 1: and we've been working at it for like three to
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Speaker 1: four hours now. All right, okay, we can't get it clear,
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Speaker 1: but we keep pulling back chunks of you know, whatever
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Speaker 1: the hell it is too. Jesse's got Morgan. You had
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Speaker 1: stated earlier that the substance the plumber was pulling out
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Speaker 1: looked macerated, and I assume that comes from the same
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Speaker 1: Latin root as masticate to eat with chew. Explain what
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Speaker 1: you meant by that, Yeah, to tear, to rip. You know,
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Speaker 1: we think about when somebody or you see an animal,
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Speaker 1: for instance, that rips apart a piece of meat that
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Speaker 1: they're eating. You see one of these wildlife videos or something,
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Speaker 1: it's not going to be very even much of it,
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Speaker 1: because for one, it's going to be decomposed in there,
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Speaker 1: so that's going to change the appearance. But but here's
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Speaker 1: the big hook. There might also be clean edges. And
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Speaker 1: let's just and let me tell you what that means, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: when we're looking for clean edges, Yeah, I do. I
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Speaker 1: absolutely have to because our listeners they deserve to hear this.
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Speaker 1: When you examine this tissue, what you're going to be
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Speaker 1: looking for from a forensic perspective is to see if
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Speaker 1: this was butchered, and if it was butchered, that means
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Speaker 1: that sharp edged weapons were used. We want to know
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Speaker 1: if it had been chopped, sliced, if there was a
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Speaker 1: circular saw used, what tore this tissue apart? In what
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Speaker 1: manner was it torn apart? Was it just an acts
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Speaker 1: or was it somebody that took their time, that knew
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Speaker 1: what they were doing, Because that's going to tell you
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Speaker 1: a lot about the person that put this stuff there.
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Speaker 1: So let me understand this. Dave mac a tenant, calls
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Speaker 1: a plumber. The plumber arrives, he finds flesh and meat.
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Speaker 1: He said he was a hunter, so he had a
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Speaker 1: pretty good idea of what he was finding. He calls
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Speaker 1: nine one one cops arrived. Who else lives in the home?
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Speaker 1: Adam Strong lives in the downstairs apartment. There's another couple
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Speaker 1: that lives upstairs, but the police are knocking on the
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Speaker 1: door downstairs. That's where the plumber arrived and started downstairs
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Speaker 1: working in that area. And it was described as a big,
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Speaker 1: big mess that Adam Strong had in that downstairs apartment.
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Speaker 1: But that is where police went. And we also heard
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Speaker 1: in the original reporting from Brittany Rosen a Global News
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Speaker 1: that Adam Strong was quote hovering over the plumbers as
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Speaker 1: they're trying to snake the drain. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our friend. Katherine McDonald. Acting Sergeant Kevin Park was first
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Speaker 1: on scene and says after seeing the shopping bag full
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Speaker 1: of what was either human or animal flesh, and after
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Speaker 1: speaking to other officers on scene, decided to knock on
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Speaker 1: the door of the basement tenant. Strong answered the door
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Speaker 1: and asked him, what have you been flashing down the
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Speaker 1: toilet that you shouldn't be, Park said, Strong seemed defeated
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Speaker 1: and dropped his head before saying, Okay, you got me.
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Speaker 1: The gig's up. It's a body to Karen start I
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Speaker 1: think I need a shrink, because here's the guy. The
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Speaker 1: cop just comes to the door and says, have you
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Speaker 1: been flashing anything down the commode? You shittn't. And his
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Speaker 1: response to a dead body in the commode chopp died
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Speaker 1: to bits is okay, you got me the gigs up.
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Speaker 1: It's a body. It's almost like it's a game. The
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Speaker 1: gig is up. Well, from him, that's exactly right, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: It is like a game because it's not. It doesn't
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Speaker 1: mean anything. He has no empathy. He really can't feel
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Speaker 1: anything about what he's done. So and if this is
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Speaker 1: a very inconsistent guy, you can't even sit to his story.
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Speaker 1: And he's saying the big is up. He could be
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Speaker 1: playing tags. Okay, you caught me, share our tons on anybody.
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Speaker 1: Oh that's a really good comparison. That is exactly correct,
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Speaker 1: Karen Stark, So actually will caught. You're on the beach.
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Speaker 1: You're in court all the time, Court TV anchor. I
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Speaker 1: guess to some people what they're doing is almost like
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Speaker 1: a game, but for the rest of us, it's a
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Speaker 1: deadly murder in butchering of a human body. You know what, though,
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Speaker 1: listen as a judge, here's the evidence I need to hear, though, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: the gig is up. The body, okay, of what of
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Speaker 1: an animal, of a cat that was a pet, cat
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Speaker 1: that died, of a dog, of a person who was
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Speaker 1: already dead, which means there could be some dismembering, or
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Speaker 1: rather someone that was killed, which means murder. So I
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Speaker 1: gotta tell you that is not a confession. We don't
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Speaker 1: know enough details yet. What is it in that toilet? Well,
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Speaker 1: you know what, you and I can tangle up like
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Speaker 1: two wet cats and a barrel. Because when somebody says
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Speaker 1: the gig is up, it's a body. I take that
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Speaker 1: to mean a human body, because anybody else would just say, oh,
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Speaker 1: it was my feeling, the blank, my cat, my dog,
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Speaker 1: my pant raccoon. But when you say it's a body
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Speaker 1: in our world, that means a human body. But you
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Speaker 1: and I can lock horns on that later, because I
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Speaker 1: want you to hear how this whole thing started. I
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Speaker 1: think we've established it's a body. Okay, those are his words.
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Speaker 1: Now maybe it'll turn out that ashe Willcott is right,
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Speaker 1: and it's a kitty cat or a ferret, or a
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Speaker 1: rat or a german. But there's fifteen pounds of meat
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Speaker 1: that we know of. Let's start with the disappearance of
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Speaker 1: a gorgeous young teen girl. Take a listen to Sanna
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Speaker 1: Dion speaking to stay in b Hall with the Toronto's Son.
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Speaker 1: Teenagers started to roll around, and that's when Roy started
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Speaker 1: to get a little bit more free time on her hands,
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Speaker 1: and I went back to work. Around that time, I
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Speaker 1: was working for a restoration company through her grandparents family,
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Speaker 1: and that's when I started losing a little bit of
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Speaker 1: grip with, you know, my girl, because her dot and
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Speaker 1: I had separated already, and I was working twelve hour days,
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Speaker 1: ten hour days, and Lori was left, unfortunately, to make
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Speaker 1: a lot of decisions on her own at fourteen years old,
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Speaker 1: thirteen fourteen day. And she was always a mature kid,
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Speaker 1: so that was already a balness because she was already
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Speaker 1: a very well spoken young lady. She knew what she
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Speaker 1: want and she was she wanted. Nothing would stand in
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Speaker 1: the way of her getting it. But that was our
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Speaker 1: that was our mother daughter escaped. We were getting the
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Speaker 1: ugliest bus we could find and we were going to
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Speaker 1: make it home. And I spend one year together before
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Speaker 1: she would go off to college. A mother daughter's dream
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Speaker 1: converting a bus to a rolling home and spending a
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Speaker 1: year together before the daughter goes off to college. Man,
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Speaker 1: would I love to do that with the twins, renovate
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Speaker 1: an old bus, as they said, the ugliest bus they
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Speaker 1: could find, and spend the next year just the two
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Speaker 1: of them hitting the open road. This young girl, Rory
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Speaker 1: hashe this teen girl with the world in front of her,
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Speaker 1: planning this wonderful trip with her mom. You know when
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Speaker 1: you hear that, and with the backdrop of what the
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Speaker 1: plumber says is excruciate. Just Scott, You've been on literally
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Speaker 1: thousands of death scenes. It's hard to digest or take
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Speaker 1: in that what was flushed down that camo could very
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Speaker 1: well be this young girl. Yeah, it is. And that's
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Speaker 1: one of the reasons, you know, I'm always and even
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Speaker 1: in my memoir, you know, I talk about this, the
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Speaker 1: impact that it has on you as as a death investigator,
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Speaker 1: but even more so as a parent. Nancy. Oh, always,
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Speaker 1: you're always having to see things in the abnormal in
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Speaker 1: the context of the normal. You know, just to just
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Speaker 1: think about this, just for a second, Nancy, that that
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Speaker 1: plumber is going into this environment and he's pulling this
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Speaker 1: out the mother. Now you kind of collate that with
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Speaker 1: what this news that's come in and you think about
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Speaker 1: that mama, what what kind of pain is she in? Now?
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Speaker 1: You know when you begin to think about this and
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Speaker 1: it is an absolute remor crime stories with Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: guys were talking about a plumber pulling up what turns
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Speaker 1: out to be human flesh, clogging and apartments come out
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Speaker 1: and sink. Now we learn that this sweet teen girl
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Speaker 1: about to set off on a year's adventure with her
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Speaker 1: mom before going to college, goes missing. Their trip was
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Speaker 1: not meant to be. Take a listen to Katherine McDonald.
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Speaker 1: Rory's torso was found in September twenty seventeen in the
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Speaker 1: Oshawa Harbor. Three months later, police were led to this
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Speaker 1: home on McMillan Drive in Oshwa by a plumber who
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Speaker 1: found flesh in the dreams. When officers went to strong
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Speaker 1: spaceman apartment to inquire, he told them he had the
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Speaker 1: rest of the body in a freezer. Strong tells Detective
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Speaker 1: Paul Mitten that it was just bad luck that the
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Speaker 1: flesh was found in the pipes. Quote, I got greedy,
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Speaker 1: that's all. He also admitted to dismembering Rory's body on Christmas,
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Speaker 1: saying that that's when the neighbors were away, and talking
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Speaker 1: about the discovery of the torso in the harbor, he says,
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Speaker 1: I was tripped out, Strong tells the officer in the
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Speaker 1: days that followed, I actually went fishing there off the pier.
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Speaker 1: The officer tells him the torso was floating. Strong response.
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Speaker 1: It didn't pop up, did it? It was floating? Wow,
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Speaker 1: saying he felt badly for the grandfather and grandson who discovered.
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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, not only was I just hit with
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Speaker 1: the fact that this little girl, Rory hashe a teen
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Speaker 1: girls torso was found in the Astra harbor. I hear
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Speaker 1: Adam's strong stating that it was quote bad luck. The
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Speaker 1: flesh was found in the pipes that he quote got
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Speaker 1: greedy that he remembered the teen girl's body on Christmas
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Speaker 1: Day because the neighbors would be gone, and he felt
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Speaker 1: bad for the grandfather and grandson that saw the body
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Speaker 1: pop up. He also was interested as to why it
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Speaker 1: popped up. I guess what did he have it weighted down? Originally?
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to Pam's Seattle with the City Kneeds.
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Speaker 1: When investigators search the premises, they uncovered what they alleged
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Speaker 1: were parts of Hashet's body stuffed in garbage bags and
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Speaker 1: stored in a freezer in strong spacement apartment. I've thought
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Speaker 1: of every scenario in my head in the last couple
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Speaker 1: of years because I had to, because I was going
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Speaker 1: crazy not knowing what was done to my daughter and
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Speaker 1: how this happened and why. You know. So today's shed
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Speaker 1: a lot of late on the nitty gritty, the worst part,
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Speaker 1: and you know, we're going to get through this together.
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Speaker 1: We were learning more and more about what happened to
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Speaker 1: this young girl, Rory hashe a teen girl, So part
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Speaker 1: of her body is ushed down the commode and part
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Speaker 1: of the stuffed in garbage bags and stored in freezers.
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Speaker 1: Why I need a shrink to Karen start, Why after
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Speaker 1: murdering the girl and dismembering her body, would you store
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Speaker 1: the body in your own home? Well, Nancy, it's a
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Speaker 1: reminder of the fact that to kill this person, and
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Speaker 1: so he gets excited by knowing that he had a
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Speaker 1: piece of her there. And remember means sexually excited. Karen, Yes,
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Speaker 1: I do, and looking out with it, you're the shrink,
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Speaker 1: not me, But I mean, how can you get sexually
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Speaker 1: excited over body parts in your freezer. Well, it reminds
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Speaker 1: him of the killing. That's number one. So he can
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Speaker 1: go back and relive it and feel that same excitement,
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Speaker 1: which I have no doubt he felt. Well, it was happening.
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Speaker 1: And then there's neclucilia and that's the truth. Then, so
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Speaker 1: there are people that really engage sexually with their bodies,
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Speaker 1: so you can preserve it and have it if I want.
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Speaker 1: Her mother actually sounds numb as she is describing getting
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Speaker 1: through the quote nitty gritty. Take a listen to Detective
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Speaker 1: Darren Short with the Durham Regional Place. Based on the
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Speaker 1: evidence we've examined to this point, we have located the
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Speaker 1: remains of Rory and her DNA and the residence and
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Speaker 1: now the DNA of this unknown female in residence at
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Speaker 1: this point. The other remaining missing female at the time
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Speaker 1: was identified as Candice Fitzpatrick from the Ashwa area. Family
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Speaker 1: had reported to the DRPs in twenty ten concerns of
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Speaker 1: her not having been seen and she was eighteen years
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Speaker 1: old at the time. As a result of that information,
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Speaker 1: we approached the biological parents of Candice and obtained DNA samples.
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Speaker 1: We strongly believe that the DNA located is that of
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Speaker 1: Kansas Fitzpatrick. We are, however, taking steps to confirmed that
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Speaker 1: eliminate the possibility of anyone else being a donor to
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Speaker 1: that DNA profile. So as they are investigating the flesh
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Speaker 1: in the commode drain, they discover another set of DNA
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Speaker 1: something I don't understand really exactly how to put it
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Speaker 1: to Joseph Scott Morgan. When you are looking at body
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Speaker 1: parts and flesh, how would you be able to determine
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Speaker 1: that some of that belongs to somebody else? What the
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Speaker 1: DNA testing you just happen to test a different portion
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Speaker 1: of remains, Yeah, and you would have to sample that
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Speaker 1: out Look, Nancy, if you're if you're if you're encountering,
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Speaker 1: let's say, remains that have potentially been dismembered in an environment,
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Speaker 1: you want to proceed very very carefully because this is
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Speaker 1: a mark of somebody that is involved in serial serial events.
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Speaker 1: So you don't know how many bodies that you're dealing
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Speaker 1: with here. You know you have to understand that going forward.
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Speaker 1: So you're going to sample each piece there, and I
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Speaker 1: can only imagine, Can you imagine being in that lab
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Speaker 1: and you say, hey, guys, guess what, I don't just
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Speaker 1: have You don't just have one person. You got two
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Speaker 1: people here, and then they have to kind of delineate
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Speaker 1: between or draw the line between who is who you know?
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Speaker 1: Who does this up who does this pair up with?
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Speaker 1: And it is a shock because then you're thinking, oh
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Speaker 1: my god, how far out does this thing go? Are
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Speaker 1: we talking just two people here or could there be more?
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Speaker 1: And that's my big question as an investigator. Could there
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Speaker 1: potentially be even more people? So now the family of
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Speaker 1: a missing girl, Candice Fitzpatrick, also a teen girl that
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Speaker 1: goes missing. He's on edge, hoping against hope she's still alive.
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Speaker 1: But now they have reasonably this could be her body.
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Speaker 1: Listen to our friend Austin Delaney for eleven hours, a
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Speaker 1: very skilled Durham police detective and Adam Strong do a
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Speaker 1: dance in a tiny interrogation room. The police detective wants
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Speaker 1: information about two murders. Adam Strong once whatever he can get.
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Speaker 1: Adam Strong waits nervously for thirty six minutes in the
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Speaker 1: police interview room. Before the door opens. A man, I
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Speaker 1: had better day, I understand me A lot of trouble.
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Speaker 1: He had been in jail since December twenty nine, twenty seventeen,
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Speaker 1: originally charged with causing an indignity to a body after
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Speaker 1: remains of a pregnant eighteen year old Rory Hashet were
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Speaker 1: found in his home. Cigarette in jail for a year,
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Speaker 1: he takes the opportunity to get treats. Yeah, no pickles,
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Speaker 1: I you know, I UM two um their value UM
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Speaker 1: chicken wraps. Let me understand something. So, while this guy
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Speaker 1: is behind bars about the chunks of human flesh found
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Speaker 1: in the drains where he lives, he doesn't think to
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Speaker 1: mention there's a second dead girl whose remains are in
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Speaker 1: his home, either stuffed in garbage bags or in the freezer.
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Speaker 1: But he remembers the Wendy's Drive through menu crime stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about the disappearance
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Speaker 1: and deaths of two gorgeous young teen girls, Rory Hashet
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Speaker 1: and Candice Fitzpatrick. While he is behind bars being questioned
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Speaker 1: after the first chunks of flesh are being found, he
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Speaker 1: thinks about what he wants in exchange for information. He
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Speaker 1: wants things off the value meal. He wants no pickles,
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Speaker 1: he wants a chicken wrap, and he wants iced tea.
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Speaker 1: He has the menu down Ashley Willcott, but he forgets
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Speaker 1: to mention the second bodies remains in his home. This
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Speaker 1: man is so despicable. And let me just suggest this,
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Speaker 1: so you and I are used to in this world
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Speaker 1: that we live in and the work world we're in,
27:39
Speaker 1: it's not the prizing. You have people like this who
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Speaker 1: do egregious things, who aren't going to be rational and
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Speaker 1: calm and oh, by the way, let me tell you
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Speaker 1: about this other DNA or this other death or this
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Speaker 1: other person. That's not how they think. I mean, Listen,
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Speaker 1: he is non policy's ordering everything he wants. Clearly, he
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Speaker 1: is not a rational person who's going to say, oh,
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Speaker 1: by the way, there's another body. He's one of the
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Speaker 1: most dangerous criminals we can encount. What's so amazing to
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Speaker 1: me is that he's bargaining behind bars for a Windy's.
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Speaker 1: What was it he wanted, Dave Matt He wants a
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Speaker 1: Windy's ranch, he wants the winds, he wants the Wendy's
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Speaker 1: triple with no pickles. He wants a grilled chicken caesar salad.
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Speaker 1: And he's a big guy, so he knows this menu.
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Speaker 1: This is a regular haunt for him. These two teen
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Speaker 1: girls missing, and as Joe Scott Morgan described in the Lab,
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Speaker 1: they find out the remains are not one but two girls.
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Speaker 1: Listen to Austin de Lady CTV nes, the affable detective
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Speaker 1: Paul Mitton wants details about Hashet's murder, whose torso was
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Speaker 1: found in the Oshawa harbor. I don't know how appropriate
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Speaker 1: this is, but I like you to pass on to
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Speaker 1: her mother and her fathers and answers as to why
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Speaker 1: the DNA of missing nineteen year old Candace Patrick was
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Speaker 1: also found in his Oshua basement apartment. But Strong is
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Speaker 1: not giving away anything for free. I would like to,
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Speaker 1: and I'm heel of this to my lawyer, and he's
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Speaker 1: not interested in it. And I don't understand why of
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Speaker 1: stilling the beans and and and being as comfortable as
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Speaker 1: I can in jail, not like one hundred thousand dollars
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Speaker 1: like picked in, but like like an allowance. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, like internet access, like if he's like,
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Speaker 1: I don't have anybody who's gonna buy me DV. It
29:37
Speaker 1: doesn't work like that. The season police interrogator tells he
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Speaker 1: accused killer, who admits only to dismembering Hasha. Yes, yes too,
29:46
Speaker 1: Dave Matt Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. Is he
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Speaker 1: actually trying to bargain for a comfy jail where he
29:54
Speaker 1: has on internet access. Did he say something about he
30:00
Speaker 1: wants an allowance in exchange for testimony? Yep. And he
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Speaker 1: mentioned other criminals who had negotiated deals behind bars. I
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Speaker 1: think this, Nancy goes back to when the police officer
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Speaker 1: arrived at his door to start with, and he just
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Speaker 1: hangs his head and says, the gig is up. He
30:16
Speaker 1: knew there was an end game, and he had a
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Speaker 1: plan of what he was going to give out and
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Speaker 1: what he was going to hold back in negotiations to
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Speaker 1: make his prison time more enjoyable if it can be Well,
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Speaker 1: you know what, Dave mac, I think you're right. I
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Speaker 1: got my first clue as to that when he was
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Speaker 1: ordering the Windy's double no pickles with iced tea. The
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Speaker 1: chicken wraps two of them their value meals, he says,
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Speaker 1: and a Caesar salad. Take a listen to Katherine McDonald
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Speaker 1: Global Knees. The first few hours of an eleven hour
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Speaker 1: video was shown capturing an interview between a police polygraph
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Speaker 1: expert and Adam Strong At first, the forty eight year
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Speaker 1: old seems relaxed, almost upbeat, but two hours in he
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Speaker 1: eventually admits that he dismembered Rory hash A. You're pretty calm.
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Speaker 1: I'm a little concerned how calm you are. This is
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Speaker 1: video viewed at the trial of Adam Strong, showing his
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Speaker 1: first interrogation. It was taken after Strong was arrested in
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Speaker 1: December twenty seventeen for the murder of eighteen year old
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Speaker 1: Rory hash A. We cannot show you video containing the
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Speaker 1: second interrogation, taped in November twenty eighteen and played in
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Speaker 1: court Monday. It was recorded after Strong was charged with
31:30
Speaker 1: the murder of nineteen year old Canvas Fitzpatrick, and it
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Speaker 1: has yet to be filed as an exhibit, but we
31:35
Speaker 1: can tell you Strong admits to dismembering Rory. After the
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Speaker 1: officer tells Strong that it's believed Rory was pregnant when
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Speaker 1: she was murdered. Strong argues Rory was not pregnant. I
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Speaker 1: could bet my life there's no way getting around that.
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Speaker 1: I chopped her up. So what is it about his
31:52
Speaker 1: frame of mind? As you Walcott, and it's dangerous to
31:55
Speaker 1: go into the mind of a killer because sometimes it
31:58
Speaker 1: sticks with you and you can't shake it all off.
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Speaker 1: But he admits he chopped her up, but he refuses
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Speaker 1: to recognize this teen girl, roy Hasha was pregnant when
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Speaker 1: he murdered and butchered her. Isn't it wild? Now? I'm
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Speaker 1: not the psychologist, Thank goodness for Karen Stark, but from
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Speaker 1: what I've seen as a judge, typically what it means
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Speaker 1: is there is some type of experience that they had
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Speaker 1: earlier in life that they simply cannot accept as that
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Speaker 1: that's not something they can handle, but they can handle
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Speaker 1: chopping up in eighteen year old And remember, it doesn't
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Speaker 1: have to make sense to us, right, So whatever is
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Speaker 1: in his mind doesn't take away from the fact that
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Speaker 1: he committed this pain us crime and that yes, she
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Speaker 1: was pregnant. He just can't believe it because something's wrong
32:45
Speaker 1: with him. Due day Matt Crime Online dot Com investigative
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Speaker 1: reporter Dave, how did the girls go missing? Where were
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Speaker 1: they last saying? How did he get his mits on them?
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Speaker 1: You know, Nancy, At this point, we don't exactly know,
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Speaker 1: but we do know that in the case of Rory,
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Speaker 1: she was actually seen in the small downtown area for
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Speaker 1: the last time prior to going missing. But we haven't
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Speaker 1: gotten the information from the police. They're not actually, I
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Speaker 1: don't know whether they don't know exactly what happened yet
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Speaker 1: or if they just aren't releasing that information. But we
33:18
Speaker 1: do know that Rory was last seen downtown and this
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Speaker 1: is while her mom was working twelve hours shifts to
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Speaker 1: support her, just before they had off for a year
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Speaker 1: long adventure and a refurbished bus, before Rory was to
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Speaker 1: set out for college that was not meant to be.
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Speaker 1: Let's hear him from straight from the horse's mouth. Here
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Speaker 1: is Adam Strong speaking and reporting by Brittany Resin. As
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Speaker 1: Mitten showed the accused numerous images. Strong said repeatedly, investigators
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Speaker 1: had quote done a horrible job. The detective also asked
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Speaker 1: Strong numerous times about his sexual relations with the victim,
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Speaker 1: telling him investigators had found his seamen. After examining Hawsche's pell,
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Speaker 1: which was found in Strong's basement freezer, Strong appeared shocked.
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Speaker 1: He said, quote, I took her apart right, so could
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Speaker 1: it have spilled? Later on in the tape, he went
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Speaker 1: on to describe dismembering the body, saying, quote it felt
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Speaker 1: natural the way I cut around the socket. And everything released.
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Speaker 1: It felt natural the way I cut around the socket
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Speaker 1: and everything released. He's also denying raping the young girls,
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Speaker 1: even though a seaman is found on Hasche's pelvis. He says,
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Speaker 1: I took her apart, didn't I couldn't it have spilled?
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Speaker 1: What does that mean? Cut around the socket? Everything released,
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan. What he's saying is that he didn't.
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Speaker 1: If folks at home will just take their hands and
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Speaker 1: put them on their thighs, and your long bone in
34:50
Speaker 1: there the femur. Okay, just imagine like a tree branch.
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Speaker 1: If you tried to cut across a tree branch, it's very,
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Speaker 1: very difficult. But where are bones as long bones like
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Speaker 1: our femers connect at the pelvis. If you can go
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Speaker 1: in there, there's not a lot of so much cutting
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Speaker 1: across the grain that's involved as there is dislodging it
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Speaker 1: from the socket in the pelvis. So you have to
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Speaker 1: cut around the tissue that's where of thing, and literally
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Speaker 1: you just dismantle or dismember the body that way. And
35:19
Speaker 1: you know, this gives me an indication that he has
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Speaker 1: some kind of familiarity with this Nancy, And back to
35:23
Speaker 1: my earlier premise. He's not new to this. That's what's
35:27
Speaker 1: terrifying about. You're right, I wonder if there are more
35:31
Speaker 1: victims we know about these two. He strongly denies having
35:35
Speaker 1: sex with their bodies, although semen was found. He also
35:39
Speaker 1: denies other victims. But I agree with you. You don't
35:42
Speaker 1: just suddenly murder and dismember. This is not his first
35:48
Speaker 1: time on the stage in his mind. So, Dave Matt,
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Speaker 1: what's the status of the case against this maniac? You know,
35:55
Speaker 1: I don't want to say mania because he's clearly sane.
35:59
Speaker 1: This evil or Adam Strong still at trial, Nancy, and
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Speaker 1: this is not going to go away anytime soon. We
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Speaker 1: just don't know. This is not the end of the game.
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Speaker 1: This is just the first of what could be many
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Speaker 1: trials to come. We wait as justice unfalls. In the meantime,
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Speaker 1: our prayers for the families of these two young girls.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off Goodbye Friend,