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STSE #88: Pattern Recognition · Sometimes There's Side Eye

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Welcome to Sometimes There's Side Eye, a podcast about two
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friends having real and unfiltered conversations about
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dogs and people listen as we talk about our lives with dogs,
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training, behavior, share some laughs and a whole lot of
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banter. I'm Heather.
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And I'm Christy, what exciting topic do we have this week,
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Heather? This week we are going to talk
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about patterns and how they can be helpful in dog training and
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understanding. Behavior patterns like clad or
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stripes. You're just being ridiculous.
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Patterns, Christy. Patterns in behavior.
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OK Patterns in dog behavior. Would you like an example?
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I would love an example. What made me start thinking
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about this was me breaking down things that bother Trin and make
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her feel uncomfortable, and then how I can make sure that they
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don't happen. Basically, how I can manage her
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interactions so that she can feel comfortable and not feel
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the need to lash out. So an example of a pattern that
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I realized is that when Trin is out with the boys, so I go into
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the dog room in the morning, I let all the dogs out, all three
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of them, and they go outside. Everything's fine, everybody's
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good. Now.
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If I would put the boys away and take Trin somewhere, do an
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activity or separate them for some reason, and then come back
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and try to just let the boys out and Trin is already loose.
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She gets very defensive. She doesn't like that.
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So I've been experimenting with if I put Trin back in her crate,
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then everybody's crated and I release them at the same time
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like I normally do in the morning.
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Does that make her feel more comfortable?
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And in some scenarios it does. And so it got me to thinking
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about patterns and how if we recognize patterns and behavior,
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we can use that information to train something different, to
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manage in a different way, to make our dogs feel more
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comfortable, whatever. And so that was where I came up
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with this this idea and it made me start thinking about other
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patterns and how we can use them and how we can observe them to
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make our dogs lives better. Yeah, I like that because, well,
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I think both of us love watching our dogs.
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Yes, and their. Behaviors and how they interact
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with the world and with us. And so then putting that
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knowledge to use, yeah, through recognizing, oh, like this is
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now a pattern. If X happens, XY and Z happens,
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then that ends up equaling AB and C.
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Yes, yes. And I think that sometimes just
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observing like I don't actually know there.
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I have theories on the route of why she is bothered when
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everybody like when there's separation and then she's put
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back together in the wild. But I don't actually know the
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reason. And so, but I don't think it
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matters because I don't think my, my theory is that it's like
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a defense mechanism that she lashes out because the dogs are
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then coming at her in a certain certain type of way instead of
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everybody being released to like move in tandem.
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And so that's not something that I am really interested in
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exploring to fix because I don't, I don't necessarily think
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it can be fixed or what it would take to fix it.
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I don't think is reasonable in my life.
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So then figuring out the pattern gives me a way to manage it so
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that it doesn't manifest or I can keep it from manifesting as
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much as possible. So it makes it especially in
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like a multi dog household too. It can make figuring out how to
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keep your dogs on an even keel and not have problems a lot
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easier when you're paying attention to those little things
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and sort of trying to figure them out and then how you manage
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them to keep them from happening.
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Yeah. And I what I like about what you
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just said is 1 if, if there's a pattern happening, you don't
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necessarily need to know the why behind it.
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You can just know this consistently happens and here's
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how I can deal with it or explore are these ways to deal
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with it. Like this is consistently
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happening and taking each piece of that that pattern and
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breaking it down a little bit to to see it.
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Like if I take out this section of the pattern, how does that
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affect the whole pattern? And then if you don't want to
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dive into the why behind a behavior, that's OK.
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You can still correct the behavior or modify behavior.
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But also, I think it gives you a lot of insight to say, I'm
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curious about that behavior. So if you're recognizing it's
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the dogs coming at her and then it would be, then it kind of
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makes you aware of, oh, at this dog sporting event, the dogs
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came at her, she had this reaction.
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Oh, when we enter a home, the dogs come at her, she has this
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reaction. And so you can start seeing
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those patterns in other situations and not that we know
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for sure, oh, her feelings are this or that, but we now know,
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OK, we can avoid dogs coming at her in a threatening what she
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perceives to be a threatening manner and and then break that.
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Down. Yeah, I think that it gives me
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insight to how to mitigate problems for her, basically is
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what you're saying. And I agree, I am much more
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cognizant of dogs coming in her face in different situations
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than I was before because I have recognized that this does seem
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to be something that bothers her.
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And look, if the reason that it bothers her is simply because
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she's smaller in stature, I can't fix that anyway.
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So the why behind it is honestly irrelevant to me.
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There's times where the why really matters because you might
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be able to turn everything around, but for me, the why
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doesn't matter. But if I if it helps me mitigate
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situations where she consistently practices the
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inappropriate behavior, then that is also a total win.
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I was having conversation with Marissa, who we had on the
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podcast before. We were talking about how one of
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her dogs doesn't like, you know, sharing space at certain times.
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And I was kind of talking to her about Trin and she was saying,
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you know, I just know the times where they're going to feel
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uncomfortable. So I just make sure that I
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manage those times and put things on cues so that that
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doesn't happen. And I thought that that was such
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solid advice that I have been starting to do that in other
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ways with Trent as well. For example, if she is in my lap
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and she's all curled up and comfortable and the boys come
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over and like kind of tower over her, I, that feels
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confrontational to her. And so I now, if I see that
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she's sort of nestled and uncomfortable, I can give the
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boys cues that are to tell them what to do, right.
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It doesn't always have to be what trend has to do.
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It can be what they what they can do.
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And so sometimes I will tell the boys go around or back up or
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stay back, you know, whatever cue is relevant.
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And then if it's a situation where she's awake, but I think
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she might feel a little bit uncomfortable, I will tell her
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off and then out, which means for her to go to another area
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that she likes to lay so that she just is removed right from
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the situation. It just gives me it gives me
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information to be able to better manage keeping her feeling
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comfortable, which then in turn does not allow for damage to be
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done to their relationship. Right.
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Yeah. Because I don't want that
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behavior practiced. Right.
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And you're very good. In fact, just this weekend we
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had Jackson and her crated in the same car.
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And when he he was very excited to see her and you said, hey,
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she might not be kind to Jackson.
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And he got away from me and went.
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Right up to. And she was OK.
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But she was fine. And she was fine.
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But that's a pattern that you've recognized, and it's something
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that we don't want that to continue being practiced.
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Like you said, even if I know Jackson is not going to hold a
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grudge, that's a pattern I've seen.
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He doesn't hold a grudge for the most part, just one dog.
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He felt the grudge again. 1 certain dog.
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One specific dog, but he's not going to hold a grudge if his
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friend is grumpy with him. But I'm still not going to be
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like, oh, let's try it out and see if if she explodes every.
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Time I would, I would so like in that situation too, I feel like
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she's in a crate. She has nowhere to go and then
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there's a barrier, right? So you have two, two situations
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that will make her a little bit more on edge.
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And I have noticed the pattern. And so in my mind, I'm also
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like, I want to advocate for my dog.
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I don't ever want her and Jackson to have any kind of
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kerfuffle because they have a beautiful relationship and I
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don't want it to be damaged. And so I covet that very much.
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Maybe over the top, but I don't give a shit because I would
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rather be over the top and not have a problem.
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And so I am protecting her in a situation where I have seen her
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be uncomfortable before and notice that pattern.
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And I would rather be over the top about it so that when it
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accidentally happens here and there, she has no reaction
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versus it happens over and over again because I'm like, oh, what
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the fuck ever. Like, take care of yourself.
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And then it becomes a real pattern.
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Yeah, Yeah, exactly. She's gonna have more resilience
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about it if it doesn't, if it doesn't occur over and over and
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over again. So that is the.
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So it really started making me think about how we can recognize
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patterns in our dogs and use those to our benefit, right.
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And so I did think of a scenario of a dog that I had here for
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training who is having an adult dog having a lot of issues with
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potty training. And this dog just, you could
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tell that he understood that he was supposed to go outside, but
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it was almost like he would get distracted or whatever.
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And so when he came to me for a couple weeks, I noticed that he
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was chasing light. And I saw the pattern of he
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would go outside and he would get distracted and start chasing
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sunlight, chasing different light sources.
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Any reflection? Any.
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Reflection and was not focusing on going potty and then would
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come in the house and have an accident.
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So when I was thinking about the trend thing, I'm like, well,
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gosh, there are patterns all over the place.
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If we pay attention that we can assist our dogs in living a
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better life and that might mean training something, managing
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something, taking something away.
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One of the things I had recommended for that dog was in
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his kennel run putting up a shade sail so that there was it
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was all completely shaded so that he didn't have the
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opportunity to have some, you know, a reflection in that area.
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So weird little things that you can do to try to manage or not
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even have some something occur when it comes to patterns that
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you notice that are causing problems for your dogs and you.
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Yeah, absolutely. I was thinking about Jackson and
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something also when you can recognize a pattern, sometimes,
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like we said before, you can take that pattern and expand it
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and be like, oh, it's also over here.
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So I was thinking about Jackson and he he lived with a child
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before I got him. And so of course the rescue said
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he's good with children. And I said he is not good with
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children. I don't think he's safe with
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children. And they were very surprised by
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that. I was like, you know, I live by
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a park. There's a lot or an elementary
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school. There's a lot of kids that are
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running around. He's always goofing at them.
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If they run up to the gate and say like, oh, we love your dog.
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He barks at them. He doesn't allow children to
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come up to him on walks, things like that.
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Well, what I realized was he doesn't like children when they
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come at him. Like Trin.
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She doesn't like. Yeah, he doesn't like it when
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they come directly at him. However, if they are just
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sitting and ignoring him and he's given the opportunity to
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explore them and make sure they're safe first, he likes
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them. He thinks they're great.
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He thinks he wants to be their friend, best friend.
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But then I thought, you know what?
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That's what he does with people who don't have dogs as well.
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So his pattern is if you have a dog, you're safe.
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That's fine. But other people too, if a
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stranger comes up to him, he's like, uh, uh, stop.
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I don't know you, but if they just ignore him and he has an
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opportunity to go up and sniff them and just in his own at his
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own speed, then he's totally fine with them.
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And I would venture like, don't you think that the majority of
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the kids he comes across don't have dogs?
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Oh like don't have a dog with them.
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Yeah. So like, wouldn't that also be
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a? Pattern possibly, yeah.
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That they're even more distrustful because they don't
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have a dog. It that seems to not matter as
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much also. Kids move weirdly.
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I mean, the the kids thing is valid, you know?
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Yeah. Because I know a couple times
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kids have come with dogs and he's like, you're still not
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don't come up to me. Yeah, OK.
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I was just curious. But then it also transferred
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Once I realized that I was like, oh, it makes sense.
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When a new person comes in my door for the first time, they're
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coming in, they're coming at them.
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And so that, and that's a forward movement towards him.
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And so, you know, we worked on protocol for OK, what, what can
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we do to make you feel more comfortable?
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And what did? You do.
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So there's a lot of treats and a lot of treats being thrown away
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from the people. So the people who whoever my
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friend is coming in for the first time, I give them treats
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outside the door. They come in, they throw it away
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from themselves. So he has, he's creating more
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and more space. And then he's like, actually,
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this is the game my mom plays with me.
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And he also has the opportunity to hide behind me.
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And then I, I also encourage, I pet, I tell him he's OK, which
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is so funny because in the, in the old days we were like, Oh,
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you're rewarding that behavior. And we know that, that, you
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know, a suspicion, but I'm like, he needed support.
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He needs, he needs his mom to be like, hey, we're OK in this,
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You're fine. You can hide behind me, I'll pet
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you, whatever. And then, yeah.
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And then once they're in and they've trusted a few treats.
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He's like, oh, OK. Can I just have it from your
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hand? Can we just snuggle now?
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Can we just be best friends? And that is every single time
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that you are having him practice in a way that makes him feel
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comfortable, you're putting money in the bank, right?
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And so that it it is easier for him to say, oh, new person.
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Oh, I know what we do. We do all these fun things and I
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get free food and mom supports me if I need it.
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So it becomes more just like I was saying about not approaching
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Trinity Crate. I don't want to practice it, you
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know, I don't want to let it happen because then at least
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when there's a Boo Boo, you know, she's more resilient, more
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willing to accept it and just move along.
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So it's the same kind of theory, you know, us building that
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resilience to be like, hey, this is not a big deal.
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We're we're not going to ask it of you all the time.
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But like, if we do have to here and there, can you, can you roll
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with it? You know, so I was also
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thinking, well, I don't know how.
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If you don't know what I'm talking about, go Google Les
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Leslie Mcdevitt and Pattern games and I'll put a little link
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in our notes. But Leslie Mcdevitt is a dog
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trainer who kind of created this idea of doing pattern games to
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use for dogs with reactivity, big feelings and different
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approaches of dog training. And I was thinking about with
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patterns, how trend, you know, I think we talked about it on the
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podcast that in a dog, what she deems a dog environment, she is
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friendly, social people, doesn't bark to everything's totally
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copacetic. And she determines that this is
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all good. Then if I take her right, if I
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take her on a walk in my neighborhood and she sees a dog,
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she will blow her top, she starts barking.
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She's a like a rabid beast. And I swear that it is like poof
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out of nowhere this thing that she doesn't expect pops up.
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Whereas in dog sport environments, she expects dogs
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to be there and she just doesn't.
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She doesn't understand the like differentiation of the
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environments. And I have no doubt I absolutely
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own from a socialization perspective, I put so much
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weight on her socialization and being ready for dog sports as a
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puppy. I did not pay nearly enough
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attention to just regular life. OK fine.
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So I was thinking I was reading or saw like something on social
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media about somebody saying that they teach a pattern game for
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dogs with big feelings on walks and it's literally just.
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Verbally saying 1 handing a treat, 2 handing a treat, 3
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handing a treat, starting over. So the the verbal cues are the
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numbers 1, two and three. And those 12 and 3 equal 1
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cookie and how they're using that pattern game to essentially
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give the dog something to expect and something that they
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understand. And so you basically have to
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bring it to fluency outside of the scenario that is hard for
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them and then to work it into scenarios that are a little bit
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hard, a little bit more hard and up in the ante.
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And I was thinking to myself, well, isn't it interesting?
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I'm watching patterns to help her and then I want to use a
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pattern to help her. Like it's patterns all over the
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place because I want to. I've been teaching her that game
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123 in our house and I want to start using that.
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I'm going to take it into the wild and for her that means
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using it in dog sport scenarios where she's very comfortable.
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So 123, we put it right and then expanding on it in different
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places so that I can start using it on walks.
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So when I see a dog person, whatever coming that would
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potentially spark her, I can start using the 123.
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I was like, oh, it's kind of cool.
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I'm watching for patterns in her behavior and then I'm going to
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use a pattern to change her. Behavior.
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Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, I thought it was
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really cool. I think sometimes people don't
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even realize that they've recognized a pattern too.
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So like my Co worker last week mentioned, he said yeah I tried
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to cut my dog's nails and like it's a whole big episode.
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Every time. He said.
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You know, we can get through two or three and then it's just
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everything falls apart. And I suggested, well, if you
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know, you can get through two or three, why don't you just do 2
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and throw a tree and be done for the day?
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And he said, wait, you can, you can do that.
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I said, yeah, you can do that. And he goes, right, why wouldn't
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we be able to do that? Of course.
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And I said, yeah, I would give her treats while she's getting
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her nails done too, and then throw a treat when you're done
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to signify, oh, we're all done with this now.
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Yeah. And he goes, he sent me a
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message today and said, thank you for the nail advice.
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We've been doing 2 nails a day and everyone's so much happier.
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Like it makes my heart sing. Wow, that's so good.
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Yeah. Because think about it, the
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stress that they were going through to try the dog and the
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people to try to get all the feats done, when in reality you
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could have zero stress, take 2 minutes a day, do 2 nails and
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start over again. And you know what?
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If they are consistent with that pattern, I bet you that they
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will get to a point that all of a sudden they're doing 3 nails
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every day and, and it just goes from there and the dog knows
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exactly what to expect. It becomes a very, very easy
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controlled set of circumstances for them and they get rewarded.
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Bam, magic. That right there is some
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excellent advice. Thanks.
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Yeah, Yeah. Sometimes I was like, he doesn't
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even know. He he recognized the pattern for
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me and I could just tell him like, hey, this is the pattern.
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Yeah. And here's what we can do with
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it. Yeah, it's so cool.
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I think that working with puppies so much is has made me
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like trained to look for patterns because so much about
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puppy training, especially potty training, is looking for
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patterns. Where do you see similarities?
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Where do you see the thing that the dog does over and over again
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to look for ways to stop it, have it not happen before?
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And so I think that has really changed the way I try to look at
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things. But it is also really hard
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sometimes to recognize things in your own home, in your own life.
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And so it's very cool that you can speak out loud and someone
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just say, well, what about this? And it makes this match.
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It's like this magic thing happens, you know?
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Oh yeah. You've done that for me so many
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times, like, well, why not this? And I'm like, I don't know,
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because I never even thought of that.
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And it's so obvious. Sometimes we because I think
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sometimes we overcomplicate. Yeah.
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I mean, we're human, absolutely our job to overcomplicate and
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sometimes it is good just to sort of speak a problem out loud
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to someone that you trust that isn't gonna call you an idiot.
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And thank God I have that around me.
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And and just like say, oh gosh, this is like really not working.
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And then be able to get the feedback of, well, what if you
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flipped it on its head and painted it purple and you're
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like, oh gosh, that would totally work.
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Yeah. It's.
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Sometimes the pattern isn't isn't even about your dog like,
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well, that's necessarily like it's.
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A great point. So there's been dogs that for
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whatever reason, every other dog reacts to in a negative way.
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And then like that dog's not reactive.
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That dog's not somebody that we would say is initiating the
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problem, but there's clearly a pattern of other dogs not liking
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the dog. And so then it says to me, well,
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there's something happening. Is it a health issue or is it a
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behavior issue or a you know, what is this dog putting out
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there? That's.
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Creating a problem for other dogs to to interact with them
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normally. Yes, I totally agree.
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And sometimes it's like just recognizing, like you said, that
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there's something similar, similar energy coming from
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multiple dogs is enough to make you look closer and then
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recognize something really, really small, right?
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Because that big, those big feelings can come from the dog,
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the dog, you know, the common denominator, doing an ear flick
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or doing a little whale eye, that's really hard to see if
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you're not at the right angle. And so working backwards and
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saying, we're getting this reaction from multiple different
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dogs and this is the common denominator.
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OK, let's work backwards and say, now let's look very closely
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at what this dog is putting out and, and kind of pick it all
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apart. And like you said, sometimes it
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could be something like a medical issue.
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I mean, I have had my own personal dogs react differently
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to actually, you know what that reminds me of an actual
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situation with our personal dogs.
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We had at the time, we would have had five dogs.
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And so we had Lucy, our Singleton, we had Daisy, Remy,
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Layla and Cash and SO3 pit bulls, 1 Rottweiler, Cash being
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the Rottweiler. Layla was like 1314 years old.
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So we're thinking, oh, she's getting up there, you know.
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And we noticed some changes in behavior in the foursome, the
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quad squad as we called them. And we assumed that at first it
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was because Layla was age aging and some dynamics were changing.
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In reality, it was our youngest dog at the time, Cash, who was
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having a medical issue that we couldn't physically see.
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And ultimately it completely changed his behavior.
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And so we made the assumption that the oldest dog in the group
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was why things were shifting when of course.
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That's a natural reaction. When in reality, it was the
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youngest dog and looking at the behavior changes and everything,
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maybe it's wrong to say that we noticed a pattern, but we
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noticed something. And then in the end,
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unfortunately, it was that Cash had a potential brain tumor and
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his behavior really was changing.
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And so it was him that they were reacting to, not the other way
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around. Yeah, yeah.
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Gosh, dog behavior is so. I just love it so much.
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Yeah. So interesting.
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It is so interesting. It's also sometimes sometimes
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just makes you go what the hell is happening here?
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Right. Yeah, yeah.
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Like why? Why is this happening?
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And yeah, yeah, what is happening?
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But I do think that like those are the cases where you do try
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to look for even the smallest pattern and to try to to get a
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clue, see if it can give you some ideas of what might
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actually be happening. Are there similarities somewhere
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in an interaction, In a response, in anything that can
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give you a clue to try and figure out and peel back the
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layers? Yeah, yeah.
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And I have to say, like one pattern I saw in Lucy was that
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she had so many dog friends who could not have any other dog
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friends. Yes.
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And there was something about her that she put out that was
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very, very clear. Don't cross a boundary with me.
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Do not cross a boundary with me because it will it will be bad.
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But also if you don't cross the boundary, it's all good.
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Like we're we can be best friends.
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Lucy was such an amazing neutral dog.
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She was very cut and dry. She was very clear.
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She was very right. She was ride or die.
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She was cut and dry, but also so incredibly neutral because if
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you didn't mess with her, she was not going to mess with you.
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Yeah, absolutely. It's.
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So gosh, it's so amazing the way that that can can allow other
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dogs to exist around her and be comfortable.
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But she also held a grudge, so if you did cross her, you would
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never get back in good graces with her.
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She'd go and cut a bitch. Whereas Jackson's like, oh, no
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hard feelings, like you probably had a bad day.
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Lucy's like, oh, hunt down your family and then you'll really
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have a bad day. I'll hide you in an oil drum,
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Don't even worry about it. No.
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No one's gonna ask about you. I would have loved to see how
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Lucy would have handled Trin. Yeah, I think she would have had
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a similar relationship that Jackson has with her in that
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because we would have started young.
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Yeah. I and I feel like dogs who
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started young with her, even if they challenged other dogs, she
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was so appropriate as they aged. Yeah, she just progressed with
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them. Yeah.
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So she was like, oh, now you're six months old.
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So then the the warnings change in in strength and, you know,
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however you want to say it, like, you know, yeah, she was
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more stern and she was very clear, like this is not
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acceptable, but you're still a baby.
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So these things I'll still put up with.
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And then she's like, now you're nine months old, now you're now
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you're a year old. Get your act together buddy.
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Yeah, I do feel like a lot of dogs who were raised with her as
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puppies really reacted to her almost more like a mom dog, even
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as adults. I think her neutrality would
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have been in our favor for sure, because I do think a lot of
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times we're a trend gets big feelings about things.
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It is defensive. And so I I do think that that
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neutrality would have gone a long way between them.
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Yeah, it's just me, I know. She does wiggle around like a
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lab so. Yeah, and she's bigger, so I
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don't know we we have a theory about trend that she does not
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like certain body type structures and movement.
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Christy and I found a pattern that we think that she is
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uncomfortable with dogs that are larger that move in a lumbering
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way because she does not care for labs and not a not a lab
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friend has she made. And.
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And I have worked with reducing her reactivity to labs because
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there are a lot of labs at barn hunt and she's making progress,
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I will say. But it is that lumbering sort of
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movement that seems to make her in a larger dog as well very
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uncomfortable. And and so that's that's our
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working theory right now, right 'cause she'll, she'll, she will
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cut it up with Staffords like she is down.
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And her and pilot have great communication.
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A male Stafford that our friend owns female Stafford totally
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fine. Her and Jackson are excellent.
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They're more similar in size. She grew up with Tiago and
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Tater, but Tater of the my two dogs who moves in a very
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lumbering way sometimes makes her feel uncomfortable.
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And Tiago advancing in a very excited way makes her feel
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uncomfortable. So it's, it's, she's a really
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interesting little test subject for us to look for.
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Patterns in yeah. Yeah.
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So I would say look for patterns in your personal dogs if you are
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having something that you're not sure how to deal with and or if
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you're just looking to understand your dogs.
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Better look for. Patterns and see if there's
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something you could tweak in management or teach a different
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cue to move to the left instead of the right.
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I don't know, but if you can find something that makes it
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easier for you to live together, seek that out.
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And I'm going to spin it a little bit, yeah.
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If I may also look for patterns that your dog enjoys.
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I love that. I know now in our park that we
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frequent every day, I know which where Jackson's going to go,
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what he likes to sniff, which bushes he really wants to sniff.
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So I allow him to do that. But I also, there's certain
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patterns, like I know he wants to check for cats in all the
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sewers and OK, you know, I'm going to probably check. 1st to
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make sure it's not there. But then I'm going to let him
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because it brings him so much joy to check those things.
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So if it's safe, I'm going to say, OK, you know, this is a
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pattern. You've shown me.
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You love to chase treats in the grass, so we're going to do that
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during our walk. You've shown me that you like to
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check the sewer for cats. Well, we'll do that.
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You know, today I have time for it.
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So understanding those patterns as well so that you can allow
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your dog to live the most enriched life that they can, is
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another way to use patterns to your advantage.
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Yeah, and all of that builds resilience and confidence,
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whether you're using a pattern to make sure something negative
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doesn't happen or you're using a pattern to make sure something
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positive does happen. All of that is building
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resilience and confidence and building that trust and
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relationship between you and your dog.
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That is all great stuff and all things that we want to practice
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as much as we can. Absolutely.
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